Re: ibook SE

[Mikael Byström]

Dan, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>Or you haven't yet but are willing to try it?

I am willing to try VLC, perhaps tomorrow, as ADP is regarded as long
gone more or less by myself.


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Re: ibook SE

[Dan K]

I wrote:
>>AFAIK, no first gen clamshell can use Apple's DVD Player (ADP)under X, 
>>same as with Lombard the ATI RAGE Mobility chip doesn't support mpeg2 
>>decoding
to which Mikael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> replied:
>According to ATI it can:
>" Delivering a complete solution, RAGE MOBILITY includes dual LVDS
>transmitters, hardware MPEG-2 decoding with iDCT..."
>
Apple's RAGE MOBILITY implementation in their portables is an incomplete 
subset of the chip's capabilities, as specifically mentioned in the 
devnotes. What 'unimplemented' means exactly is a question for others as 
I lack any more knowledge. However, I suspect . . .

>Are there other RAGE MOBILITY cards in the 1gen clamshell iBook? If so,
>why can't I find any info on earlier incarnations anywhere? That Apple
>doesn't support this decoding feature with the X DVD player is clear, but
>does the OS actually prevent other apps from using it? Can it perhaps be
>turned on somewhere? Does there have to be a VDplayer in the machine in
>order for the hardware (graphics card) MPEG-2 decoding to become activated?

that it's a hardware thing and so cannot be "turned on" by any software.

>>The gen 2 clamshells have the ATI RAGE Mobility 128, same as 
>>Pismo, and so _should_ support ADP under X. Anyone care to confirm this 
>>hypothesis?
>
>I can do that, but only with S-VCD as there is no dvdplayer. Or I could
>use an image perhaps. 
So I'm not clear on your answer to the big question: Under X, does ADP 
launch and play something/anything in a gen 2 (FW) clamshell?  You mean 
you did try X + ADP and it successfully launched? Or you haven't yet but 
are willing to try it?

If it did launch OK, even without a DVD-ROM installed, then any standard 
DVD ought to play if you install a DVD drive. ADP checks only for 
playback support AFAIK, and not for the presence of a DVD drive(?).

K, hold on, I'll test this last question myself:


OS9's ADP launched fine in absence of DVD-ROM drive. For completeness, I 
suppose I should do the same with a Pismo under X . . . sigh


Yep, X's ADP launched fine in absence of DVD-ROM drive.

Yeesh! :-)

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Re: ibook SE

[Mikael Byström]

larry, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>I know that there was cdrw available aftermarket. He was talking, I 
>thought, original..

I kinda missed the point of regarding the situation years ago. Hmm, I
still think I do, so no wonder that eluded me. But the "there were" part
does give away something like that. But why is the old facts interesting now?



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Re: ibook SE

[larry Zasitko]

I know that there was cdrw available aftermarket. He was talking, I 
thought, original..

On Sep 2, 2004, at 4:12 AM, Mikael Byström wrote:
larry, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
You are correct, there were no combo drives available so I should have
put dvd/cd drive.
Well, you're not correct these are unavailable, look here: 
However, if a superdrive is worth the cost is up to the potential 
buyer.
I'd go for the DIY CD-RW solution unless I could make sure the video
cards built-in support for MPEG-2 decoding was supported by OS X and 
if I
could do this I'd rather choose the Combo solution as I feel the G3 is
too weak for burning DVD movies. For data backup, DVD may very well be
worth both the cost and using the Superdrive solution. Data can be very
expensive to loose.

As far as I can tell we on this list have yet to verify if the 
clamshell
iBook video cards built-in support for MPEG-2 decoding is supported by 
OS
X. Noone knows for sure?

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Re: ibook SE

[Mikael Byström]

Dan, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>AFAIK, no first gen clamshell can use Apple's DVD Player (ADP)under X, 
>same as with Lombard the ATI RAGE Mobility chip doesn't support mpeg2 
>decoding

According to ATI it can:

" Delivering a complete solution, RAGE MOBILITY includes dual LVDS
transmitters, hardware MPEG-2 decoding with iDCT..."


Are there other RAGE MOBILITY cards in the 1gen clamshell iBook? If so,
why can't I find any info on earlier incarnations anywhere? That Apple
doesn't support this decoding feature with the X DVD player is clear, but
does the OS actually prevent other apps from using it? Can it perhaps be
turned on somewhere? Does there have to be a VDplayer in the machine in
order for the hardware (graphics card) MPEG-2 decoding to become activated?

I posted the same ATI sourced data and the same questions before and
noone seemed to know or care.

These are the type of questions that needs to be answered IMHO.

>The gen 2 clamshells have the ATI RAGE Mobility 128, same as 
>Pismo, and so _should_ support ADP under X. Anyone care to confirm this 
>hypothesis?

I can do that, but only with S-VCD as there is no dvdplayer. Or I could
use an image perhaps. 


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Re: ibook SE

[Shawn Harley]

Larry,
The third generation iBooks were Indigo for 366mhz and Graphite for the  
466mhz SE. But the Key lime was available in both speeds, 366 and  
466SE. This info was on the little fold-up brochures provided by Apple  
(I have one somewhere, but can't find it) and is also reviewed in the  
December 2000 MacAddict (p. 16, where it says Key Lime glows in the  
dark under a black light!)

I think the second generation also had an SE, the 366mhz in Graphite.  
IIRC, the standard iBook was 300mhz in Blueberry and Tangerine (in both  
first and second generation).

Shawn
On Sep 1, 2004, at 10:30 AM, larry Zasitko wrote:
Shawn,
You are correct, there were no combo drives available so I should have  
put dvd/cd drive.
As far as I knew the only SE's were the graphite, or that's what  
everyone tells me and MacTracker said the same thing.

I know that the second generation came in different speeds but again  
the SE is listed as the only 466mhz.

Where is your info from? May have to forward it to MacTracker so they  
can update their files.

Larry
On Aug 31, 2004, at 3:49 PM, Shawn Harley wrote:
I don't think any clamshell iBook ever came with a stock combo drive.  
The only(?) options were cd-rom or dvd-rom. And the Key Lime was  
available in 466mhz SE. 366mhz was Indigo or Key Lime and 466mhz SE  
was Graphite or Key Lime.
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Re: ibook SE

[Dan K]

Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>You are correct, there were no combo drives available so I should have  
>>put dvd/cd drive.

to which Mikael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> replied:
>Well, you're not correct these are unavailable, look here: wegenermedia.com/ibookcdrwhome.htm>
I'm sure Larry meant Apple shipped no combo drives in these models. Only 
available options were CD-ROM and DVD-ROM readers. Now of course one can 
install just about any slim drive one wishes. :-)


>As far as I can tell we on this list have yet to verify if the clamshell
>iBook video cards built-in support for MPEG-2 decoding is supported by OS
>X. Noone knows for sure?
AFAIK, no first gen clamshell can use Apple's DVD Player (ADP)under X, 
same as with Lombard the ATI RAGE Mobility chip doesn't support mpeg2 
decoding. The gen 2 clamshells have the ATI RAGE Mobility 128, same as 
Pismo, and so _should_ support ADP under X. Anyone care to confirm this 
hypothesis?

I tried a DVD drive in my gen 1 blueberry iBook and couldn't play DVDs 
with ADP. Anyone able to use VLC or other players on a gen 1 iBook? If it 
works, is it actually _usable_?

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Re: ibook SE

[Mikael Byström]

larry, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>You are correct, there were no combo drives available so I should have  
>put dvd/cd drive.

Well, you're not correct these are unavailable, look here: 

However, if a superdrive is worth the cost is up to the potential buyer.
I'd go for the DIY CD-RW solution unless I could make sure the video
cards built-in support for MPEG-2 decoding was supported by OS X and if I
could do this I'd rather choose the Combo solution as I feel the G3 is
too weak for burning DVD movies. For data backup, DVD may very well be
worth both the cost and using the Superdrive solution. Data can be very
expensive to loose.

As far as I can tell we on this list have yet to verify if the clamshell
iBook video cards built-in support for MPEG-2 decoding is supported by OS
X. Noone knows for sure?



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Re: ibook SE

[larry Zasitko]

Shawn,
You are correct, there were no combo drives available so I should have  
put dvd/cd drive.
As far as I knew the only SE's were the graphite, or that's what  
everyone tells me and MacTracker said the same thing.

I know that the second generation came in different speeds but again  
the SE is listed as the only 466mhz.

Where is your info from? May have to forward it to MacTracker so they  
can update their files.

Larry
On Aug 31, 2004, at 3:49 PM, Shawn Harley wrote:
I don't think any clamshell iBook ever came with a stock combo drive.  
The only(?) options were cd-rom or dvd-rom. And the Key Lime was  
available in 466mhz SE. 366mhz was Indigo or Key Lime and 466mhz SE  
was Graphite or Key Lime.
 Shawn
 

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Re: ibook SE

[Mikael Byström]

larry, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>The SE's came with a dvd/cdrw drive

Not quite. The 366 SE Non FireWire, came with 24X CD-ROM and the latter
SE 466 With FireWire and AV-port, came with a 4X DVD-ROM. There may have
been some japanese or european special cases, but I haven't heard of any.


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Re: ibook SE

[goodidea]

on 31-08-2004 19:12, larry Zasitko at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the info! i am a little less confused: I find the speed is
366mhz, 65mb, no firewire port though (what is it, there are some files
named firewire.. ).
Boudewijn
> The graphite SE was made in two versions.
> P1
> Introduced Jul 1999 and discontinued in Sept 2000
> Processor was 300mhz in Blueberry or Tangerine and 366 for the Graphite
> SE
> 300mhz came with 32meg ram onboard and the 366's came with 64meg
> Video was ATI Rage Mobility 4 meg on both
> P1.5
> Introduced Sept 2000 and discontinued in May 2001
> Processor was 366mhz for Indigo and Key Lime and 466mhz for the
> Graphite SE
> All had 64 meg of ram onboard
> All had ATI Rage Mobility 8 meg Video
> The SE's came with a dvd/cdrw drive
> The most obvious difference is that the P1.5's had firewire port while
> the earlier ones did not.
> 
> First thing to check is to see if there is firewire or not. Then check
> the system and see what speed the processor is.
> 
> On Aug 31, 2004, at 3:58 AM, goodidea wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> I am new to this list and have a simple question: someone has given me
>> an
>> Ibook and I am trying to determine if it is an Ibook SE.
>> The color is Graphite and on the outside it says "my family number
>> M2453".
>> Is this enough info to know if it is a first generation Special
>> Edition?
>> ThANKS, BOUDEWIJN
>> 
> 
> 
> Larry Zasitko
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> Graphite Clamshell SE, G3 366mhz, 576 meg ram
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Re: ibook SE

[Shawn Harley]

I don't think any clamshell iBook ever came with a stock combo drive.  
The only(?) options were cd-rom or dvd-rom. And the Key Lime was  
available in 466mhz SE. 366mhz was Indigo or Key Lime and 466mhz SE was  
Graphite or Key Lime.
 Shawn

On Aug 31, 2004, at 1:12 PM, larry Zasitko wrote:
P1.5
Introduced Sept 2000 and discontinued in May 2001
Processor was 366mhz for Indigo and Key Lime and 466mhz for the  
Graphite SE
All had 64 meg of ram onboard
All had ATI Rage Mobility 8 meg Video
The SE's came with a dvd/cdrw drive
The most obvious difference is that the P1.5's had firewire port while  
the earlier ones did not.


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Re: ibook SE

[larry Zasitko]

The graphite SE was made in two versions.
P1
Introduced Jul 1999 and discontinued in Sept 2000
Processor was 300mhz in Blueberry or Tangerine and 366 for the Graphite  
SE
300mhz came with 32meg ram onboard and the 366's came with 64meg
Video was ATI Rage Mobility 4 meg on both
P1.5
Introduced Sept 2000 and discontinued in May 2001
Processor was 366mhz for Indigo and Key Lime and 466mhz for the  
Graphite SE
All had 64 meg of ram onboard
All had ATI Rage Mobility 8 meg Video
The SE's came with a dvd/cdrw drive
The most obvious difference is that the P1.5's had firewire port while  
the earlier ones did not.

First thing to check is to see if there is firewire or not. Then check  
the system and see what speed the processor is.

On Aug 31, 2004, at 3:58 AM, goodidea wrote:
Hello all,
I am new to this list and have a simple question: someone has given me  
an
Ibook and I am trying to determine if it is an Ibook SE.
The color is Graphite and on the outside it says "my family number  
M2453".
Is this enough info to know if it is a first generation Special  
Edition?
ThANKS, BOUDEWIJN

 

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Re: ibook SE

[Gladys Pérez-Almiroty]

yes, if it is graphite color it is an se. what speed? i gave mine to my 
mom and it is holding strong.
g
On Aug 31, 2004, at 5:58 AM, goodidea wrote:

Hello all,
I am new to this list and have a simple question: someone has given me 
an
Ibook and I am trying to determine if it is an Ibook SE.
The color is Graphite and on the outside it says "my family number 
M2453".
Is this enough info to know if it is a first generation Special 
Edition?
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Re: ibook SE

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In a message dated 8/31/04 4:58:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>I am new to this list and have a simple question: someone has given me
>an
>Ibook and I am trying to determine if it is an Ibook SE.
>The color is Graphite and on the outside it says "my family number M2453".
>Is this enough info to know if it is a first generation Special Edition?

Short of looking on the Apple System Profiler/some other processor tell-tale 
app, the color would seem to be a good thing to go by... but not absolute.

I had an tangy iBook that I sold a few days ago; I WAS going to give it to my 
sis, but she defected (!) to the Dark Side (w/ a really nice top-of-the-line 
P(ie)C(e) (of...) laptop from our daddy; oh well!)...

But before she got it, she wanted me to make it Graphite on the outside. I 
have all the Graphite pieces, and the switch would not have been very hard.

I am assuming your iBook does not boot at all? 

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Re: iBook SE battery stops charging

[Gary D. Adams]

Have you tried resetting the power manager? Sometimes this works. Unplug 
the AC adapter, pull the battery, and depress the reset button at the 
hinge on the right side.

Gary

Charlie Meyerson wrote:
A puzzle:

iBook SE (Graphite clamshell) battery is relatively new (less than six
months) and as recently as last week was holding a charge for at least an
hour. Suddenly -- last day or so -- it doesn't take any charge at all.
New AC adapter, too, and the charge light (where the AC plugs into the
iBook) is constantly green. But the battery remains at 0% and the computer
goes dead the instant we unplug the AC.
iBook FW Battery Update software (booted in System 9, even though we
normally use OS X) tells me that it is not required for this computer.
Suggestions?

Thanks and best wishes,

Charlie Meyerson




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Re: ibook se 366 maximum ram

[Dustin]

>What is the maximum amount of ram for an iBook se 366 graphite? It 
>currently has 128.

320 MB officially. It may take more, but it isn't supported beyond 320
MB.

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Re: ibook SE

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 13/10/02 10:52, hal9000x at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hello I am new to the list.
> 
> I just took over my daughters graphite iBook SE (G3 366 6gb). I would
> like to use it to mess around with yellow dog linux. Question: I have
> seen these HD upgrades being offered by MCE
> http://store.powerbook1.com/ibhardrivup.html. You have to send the unit
> in. Anyone have any experience with or opinion on this company and the
> service?
> 
> I am a little leery of sending the unit in to them. They  seem to
> indicate it is impossible to perform this upgrade yourself.

I think I've read from members here on this list that did the upgrade
themselves. They are a little bit difficult to do, since the hard drive is
hard to get to. But, if you're not afraid of working in a laptop's
internals, and have the service manual, you can probably do it yourself, and
save yourself a few bucks in the process...

-Laurent.
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Re: ibook SE HD upgrade

[Sephee]

On Sunday, October 13, 2002, at 10:52 AM, hal9000x wrote:


> I have seen these HD upgrades being offered by MCE
> http://store.powerbook1.com/ibhardrivup.html. You have to send the unit
> in. Anyone have any experience with or opinion on this company and the
> service?

Thanks for the link  I may look into this service myself. I mean the 
prices seem reasonable when you think about the cost of drives and the 
amount of labor involved. But I couldn't find any info on what brand of 
drive they want to put in there. For that I'd just give them a call and 
see. I'd probably want to keep the old drive rather than get just a $30 
rebate for it. I'd just stick that in a firewire case and be on with it.

> I am a little leery of sending the unit in to them. They  seem to
> indicate it is impossible to perform this upgrade yourself.

MCE seems like a fairly respectable company from what I've heard. I've 
seen a friend do this upgrade and believe me, it wasn't pretty but it 
was doable if you have the patience and knowhow. I've never done 
business with MCE, so I'd say be careful and dont leave any *sensitive* 
data on there if you choose to send it in.

Also, possibly more importantly check to see if there is any warranty 
on their parts and service. If they stick a drive in there and it 
breaks something else will they fix it or pay for it to be fixed? Or 
will they just say it wasn't working when it got there? Just be a 
cautious and educated consumer. Cover your end!

Seth


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