Re: Which Powerbook for school?

[Peter Saint James]

On 9 May2005, at 11:09 PM, MARIO RAMIREZ wrote:
I'm going off to college soon  and want to get a
PowerBook G4 for school. I have about $1000 to spend
and would like the 15" screen. Since there are so many
models of PowerBook, I'm very confused. What's the
difference between TiBooks and AlBooks. What's the
best configuration I can do for $1000. Since it's
obviously going to be used, I was thinking eBay.

You would also be wise to check out Dealmac:
http://dealmac.com/?tmp=1
They have notices of refurbished Powerbooks.
From my experience, I would advise you to look for Aluminum over  
Titanium.  They seem to have fewer problems.   They are a more robust  
piece of machinery.  Others may disagree.  They are both very good.   
Assess your needs carefully; you may find that an iBook meets your  
needs for much less money.  They were designed with students in  
mind.  Be sure to check out what you can get with your educational  
discount.

Other important differences between Powerbooks are fairly  
simple.  They amount to speed of processor (not terribly significant  
unless doing something that requires high speed), amount of RAM (the  
more the better), and features such as Bluetooth, Airport, and the  
type of optical drive.

Bluetooth allows you to run wireless devices such as keyboards  
and mice and sync with phones.  In my experience Bluetooth is handy  
but not crucial.

Airport allows you to connect to the internet wirelessly; if you  
don't get it, you'll probably wish you did.   A g card (also called  
Airport Extreme) is better than a b card.

A Superdrive allows you to burn DVDs and CDs; a Combo drive only  
burns CDs.   Usefulness of Superdrive depends on whether you will  
want to put that much data on a disk.  It's good to have if you don't  
have another back-up device.  Crucial if you're planning on doing  
something like making movies.  Otherwise not necessary.

One other feature that may be useful to you is a lighted  
keyboard.  It's easier to use in sometimes dimly lighted classrooms.   
Not crucial, but handy.

You'd be wise to find a used book with AppleCare.   Their  
portable nature makes Powerbooks vulnerable.

The advantage of a used book is that it usually contains  
software that you might otherwise not be able to afford.  Take full  
advantage of that.

You're looking at a good time.  For the past couple of years  
both hardware and software have been very good.  You're likely to get  
a good machine.

Your budget is limited, but not impossible.  To get what I  
wanted, I had to go over my budget.  I have not regretted that.  It  
was money well spent.  Do check out your educational discount.  You  
may be able to get a new machine with it cheaper than a used one.

Good luck.
Peter

 
   

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Re: Which Powerbook for school?

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 9, 2005, at 8:09 PM, MARIO RAMIREZ wrote:
I'm going off to college soon  and want to get a
PowerBook G4 for school. I have about $1000 to spend
and would like the 15" screen. Since there are so many
models of PowerBook, I'm very confused. What's the
difference between TiBooks and AlBooks. What's the
best configuration I can do for $1000. Since it's
obviously going to be used, I was thinking eBay.
AlBook is the newer model Powerbook, it superceded the TiBook.. Your 
best configuration is going to depend entirely on what you can find on 
e-bay.
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Which Powerbook for school?

[MARIO RAMIREZ]

I'm going off to college soon  and want to get a
PowerBook G4 for school. I have about $1000 to spend
and would like the 15" screen. Since there are so many
models of PowerBook, I'm very confused. What's the
difference between TiBooks and AlBooks. What's the
best configuration I can do for $1000. Since it's
obviously going to be used, I was thinking eBay. 

Thanks everyone in advance.

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Re: take apart: which powerbook?

[Andrew]

Ability to take apart is big selling point for IBM ThinkPads, Panasonic 
Toughbooks 
and Toshiba Tecras, at least in the old days (don't know about the new ones).  
For 
example, to remove the hard drive from most IBMs, it only takes one screw that 
is 
sized and shaped to remove with a coin.

Apple has the right idea with the memory and airport cards being easily 
accessible, 
but 30+ screws and an engineering degree should not be required to swap out a 
hard 
drive.  I know, because I had to pay $80 to have an Apple tech do it for my 12" 
PB 
last year.  At least the new ones all come with humungous and fast drives.

Andrew

On 20 Feb 2005 at 21:23, Beniamino Cenci Goga wrote:

> I have taken apart all Apple PowerBook, from the 100 series (my 180c 
> probably more than 100 times) to the Wallstreet/Lombard/Pismos 
> including iBooks. The 190 has become a 190cs, then a 5300c and 
> finally a 5300ce: from a close exam you cannot really tell it has 
> been taken apart probably once a week in the last year!
> 
> If you play in a clean environment and try to concentrate on your 
> hobby (or work) it is almost impossible to tell if a given PowerBook 
> has been taken apart.
> 
> This is not true for the Titanium and the Aluminium.
> 
> Their cases bend too easily.
> 
> Okay, computers, especially PowerBooks, are not built to be taken 
> apart but I think Apple should consider this.
> 
> Not to mention that while I can put my iBook G4 straight into the 
> Jansport back pack, the Aluminium requires the Radthech folder a 
> neoprene case ***and*** the specific laptop backpack.
> 
> I now need a 17" PowerBook and I whish Apple made a 17" iBook.
> 
> I would appreciate to hear your opinion on this topic.
> 
> Ben
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take apart: which powerbook?

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

I have taken apart all Apple PowerBook, from the 100 series (my 180c 
probably more than 100 times) to the Wallstreet/Lombard/Pismos 
including iBooks. The 190 has become a 190cs, then a 5300c and 
finally a 5300ce: from a close exam you cannot really tell it has 
been taken apart probably once a week in the last year!

If you play in a clean environment and try to concentrate on your 
hobby (or work) it is almost impossible to tell if a given PowerBook 
has been taken apart.

This is not true for the Titanium and the Aluminium.
Their cases bend too easily.
Okay, computers, especially PowerBooks, are not built to be taken 
apart but I think Apple should consider this.

Not to mention that while I can put my iBook G4 straight into the 
Jansport back pack, the Aluminium requires the Radthech folder a 
neoprene case ***and*** the specific laptop backpack.

I now need a 17" PowerBook and I whish Apple made a 17" iBook.
I would appreciate to hear your opinion on this topic.
Ben
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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Kathryn Odell]

I'm a K-6 Tech Coach working with teachers at 27 schools. I use an ibook at
work; making ppt presentations, developing newsletters, handling email, etc.
It does a fine job in each of these areas, and since I have to lug it around
to lots of sites, I appreciate the compact size.

> From: Jim Eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:49:34 -0400
> To: "G-Books" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Which Powerbook?
> 
> 
> On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 09:24 AM, Wayne wrote:
> 
>> I just purchased my ibook and could not be happier. I am a big guy
>> with big
>> hands, and it is not cramped at all. In my opinion, I think the ibooks
>> look
>> 
> Thanks to all.
> I think we need to make a trip to the Apple Store (2 hrs away in
> Detroit) to get a hands on look and feel. Ultimately she couldn't go
> wrong with any of them--but which one is nicest, and works best in the
> school's system? Based on feedback and some of the online reviews we're
> leaning just slightly toward the 15" tibook.
> 
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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Nick]

I just checked, 15" TiBooks are not available at the McGill University
Computer store.  This surely means the new model is coming.

N

on 9/5/03 12:47 AM, Paul Nicholson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 04:20 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>>> NO. NO. NO. Don't get a 15" tiBook. Wait for the 15" AlBook with 7457
>>> CPU and functional WiFi antenna.
>> 
>> Mind you, I told someone to wait for the 15" AlBook in *April* because
>> it was coming out 'any day now'.
>> 
>> All the rumor sites had reached the same fever pitch they're
>> displaying now on it.
> 
> It's not going to be much longer till Apple Expo, September 16-20. At
> least wait till then. My son said the 15" tiBook was recently removed
> from the Berkeley education discount program.
> 
> Paul
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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Paul Nicholson]

On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 04:20 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
NO. NO. NO. Don't get a 15" tiBook. Wait for the 15" AlBook with 7457 
CPU and functional WiFi antenna.
Mind you, I told someone to wait for the 15" AlBook in *April* because 
it was coming out 'any day now'.

All the rumor sites had reached the same fever pitch they're 
displaying now on it.
It's not going to be much longer till Apple Expo, September 16-20. At 
least wait till then. My son said the 15" tiBook was recently removed 
from the Berkeley education discount program.

Paul

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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Eugene Lee]

On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 04:08:41PM -0700, Paul Nicholson wrote:
: 
: NO. NO. NO. Don't get a 15" tiBook. Wait for the 15" AlBook with 7457 
: CPU and functional WiFi antenna.

You don't really know if or when this imagined product will be released.
Please stop giving recommendations based on rumors.


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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Bruce Johnson]

Paul Nicholson wrote:

NO. NO. NO. Don't get a 15" tiBook. Wait for the 15" AlBook with 7457 
CPU and functional WiFi antenna.

Mind you, I told someone to wait for the 15" AlBook in *April* because 
it was coming out 'any day now'.

All the rumor sites had reached the same fever pitch they're displaying 
now on it.

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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Paul Nicholson]

On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 07:49 AM, Jim Eddy wrote:
I think we need to make a trip to the Apple Store (2 hrs away in 
Detroit) to get a hands on look and feel. Ultimately she couldn't go 
wrong with any of them--but which one is nicest, and works best in the 
school's system? Based on feedback and some of the online reviews 
we're leaning just slightly toward the 15" tibook.
NO. NO. NO. Don't get a 15" tiBook. Wait for the 15" AlBook with 7457 
CPU and functional WiFi antenna.

Paul

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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Paul Nicholson]

On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 03:37 PM, Frank P. Eigler wrote:
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Jim Eddy wrote:

My wife is buying a new Powerbook to go with her new teaching job. So
the question is, which one?
Wait a few weeks! Don't buy a  new PowerBook now. The new 7457 CPU 
should available soon.

I recently got a 15" Ti. I'm very happy. It's a great 
balance/compromise,
but that opinion is based on my needs.
The WiFi antenna on the tiBook is really bad. I have a tiBook and I 
have to be within 20 feet or so of a base staion to get WiFi. Motorola 
is starting to produce the new 7457 G4 CPUs. Wait for Apple to come out 
with a new 15" Aluminum PowerBook with decent WiFi Antenna, perhaps to 
be announced at the Paris Expo.

Paul

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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Nick]

Max the RAM to 1 GB, and yes the 5400 rpm, 16Mb cache will make a
difference. I have the 40 Gig, 5400 rpm, 16 Mb cache model and 1 GB Ram on a
Pismo 500, Photoshop 7 and AI 10 work pretty well.  Although they run faster
with that configuration in 9...

N

on 9/4/03 11:21 AM, Vic Duong at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> Hello everyone, I was just wondering if anyone had any experience with
> working on a Pismo with Toshiba's 60 GB 5400rpm/16mb cache HD in tandem with
> 1 GIG ram?
> 
> I noticed the HD and another 512 stick would run about $300 for the upgrade.
> I'm using Abobe Illustrator 10 and was hoping to get some more speed out of
> my PB. AI 10 seems a bit pokey under OSX compaired to 9.
> 
> I currently have a 400 MHZ Pismo w/ IBM 30 GIG 4200rpm w/ 768 RAM and OS
> 10.2.6.
> 
> Any thoughts? Thanks!
> 
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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Tom Burke]

On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 03:30  pm, Jim Eddy wrote:
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Subject: Which Powerbook?
From: Jim Eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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My wife is buying a new Powerbook to go with her new teaching job. So
the question is, which one?
My suggestion is for the 12" G4. My reasoning is that it represents the
most recent technology, where the 15" TiBook is a bit older design and
the iBook even older with a G3 processor. It also is very small and
light--a plus.
Still, it would be nice to have a bigger screen than the 12". If that
were so, how would the 14" iBook go versus the 867mhz TiBook.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
One immediate thought - wait until after 16 September! It seems quite 
possible that there will be announcements on that day regarding the 
portable range. The most common rumours are of a replacement for the 
TiBook, to match the 12" and 17" AiBooks. There may also be speed-bumps 
for those two machines,especially the 12" - its minimum speed (867 Mhz) 
is looking slow now. And who knows, there may also be price cuts. Of 
course it's unlikely that any new machines will actually be available 
immediately, but at least you'll know the overall situation.

I won't go over the ground that others have already covered. One thing 
that I don't think anyone has mentioned is the ability of the 
Powerbooks to run a second monitor at a different resolution from the 
LCD screen. I have recently bought a 12" Powerbook, mainly for the 
portability, but when I'm in my office here at home I generally hook it 
up to a good 19" monitor and run that at 1280 x 1024. When I'm settling 
down for a Photoshop Elements session it's nice to have that extra 
screen area to use. Only the Powerbooks can do this; the iBooks are 
limited to mirroring, at the same resolution as the LCD screen.

Oh, I also learned that the 12" Powerbook, with its mini-VGA connector, 
certainly benefits from using a high-quality VGA lead to the monitor. 
The  crappy cheap lead I was initially using caused screen ghosting, 
and had me worried for a while. Switching to a good VGA lead changed 
everything.

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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Andrew Johnson]

I would say more ram/faster hd would only help your situation if you 
found yourself paging information out to the hard disk frequently while 
under illustrator. (granted this may be the case)

-Andrew

On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 11:21  AM, Vic Duong wrote:

Hello everyone, I was just wondering if anyone had any experience with
working on a Pismo with Toshiba's 60 GB 5400rpm/16mb cache HD in 
tandem with
1 GIG ram?

I noticed the HD and another 512 stick would run about $300 for the 
upgrade.
I'm using Abobe Illustrator 10 and was hoping to get some more speed 
out of
my PB. AI 10 seems a bit pokey under OSX compaired to 9.

I currently have a 400 MHZ Pismo w/ IBM 30 GIG 4200rpm w/ 768 RAM and 
OS
10.2.6.

Any thoughts? Thanks!

Vic Duong


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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Vic Duong]

Hello everyone, I was just wondering if anyone had any experience with
working on a Pismo with Toshiba's 60 GB 5400rpm/16mb cache HD in tandem with
1 GIG ram?

I noticed the HD and another 512 stick would run about $300 for the upgrade.
I'm using Abobe Illustrator 10 and was hoping to get some more speed out of
my PB. AI 10 seems a bit pokey under OSX compaired to 9.

I currently have a 400 MHZ Pismo w/ IBM 30 GIG 4200rpm w/ 768 RAM and OS
10.2.6.

Any thoughts? Thanks!

Vic Duong



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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Jim Eddy]

On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 09:24 AM, Wayne wrote:

I just purchased my ibook and could not be happier. I am a big guy  
with big
hands, and it is not cramped at all. In my opinion, I think the ibooks  
look

Thanks to all.
I think we need to make a trip to the Apple Store (2 hrs away in  
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wrong with any of them--but which one is nicest, and works best in the  
school's system? Based on feedback and some of the online reviews we're  
leaning just slightly toward the 15" tibook.

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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Wayne]

I just purchased my ibook and could not be happier. I am a big guy with big
hands, and it is not cramped at all. In my opinion, I think the ibooks look
cooler than the powerbooks in its sleek white plastic. I looked also at the
12" Powerbook, in the end, my decision to go with the ibook was the cost
savings and the looks. I went with 12" size because I wanted the greatest
portability after lugging my Wallstreet around for several years.

As far as performance, I run the full suite of Adobe & Macromedia graphics
programs in OSX without any noticeable slow downs (much faster than in the
Wallstreet). Even Virtual PC running Great Plains is greatly improved.

Just thought I would put my 2 cents in on the subject.


Wayne



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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Matt Halter]

The speed tests I've seen put the iBook even or faster than the little 
Al Book, except when using software that uses the G4's altivec.  IBooks 
get more run time when on battery power, especially the 14".  What you 
describe your wife will be doing the iBook will handle no sweat.  
Worked as computer tech in High School this past year. We had approx. 
120 ibooks in use, around 40 used by teachers.  Never heard one 
complaint about speed and most of them were using 600mhz/700mhz ibooks 
doing exactly what you say your wife will do.  We used iBooks to do all 
our presentations.  Very easy.  Bought my son a 800mhz 12" iBook for 
Christmas, we haven't been disappointed.  That said, the practical 
advantages to the Al book are it has airport extreme, they're now 
making Gig ram chips for it (doubles ibook)(in the OS X era that can be 
important), and it has the way cool aluminum exterior.  If I were you 
I'd buy an ibook and spend what I saved not getting the al book on an 
ipod.(Apple had special deal on ibook/ipod purchase).  In a year, if 
it's not fast enough, sell it and buy a new G5 laptop.  Just my 2 cents.

Matt
On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 06:08  PM, Jim Eddy wrote:
My wife is buying a new Powerbook to go with her new teaching job. So 
the question is, which one?
My suggestion is for the 12" G4. My reasoning is that it represents 
the most recent technology, where the 15" TiBook is a bit older design 
and the iBook even older with a G3 processor. It also is very small 
and light--a plus.
Still, it would be nice to have a bigger screen than the 12". If that 
were so, how would the 14" iBook go versus the 867mhz TiBook.
Any thoughts or suggestions?


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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Nick]

on 9/3/03 9:59 PM, Jim Eddy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> Her needs are:
> email and internet access,, at school and at home
> Word processing (MS Word) for academic writing.
> Possible multimedia presentations in class--probably Powerpoint since
> the IT at the university is predominantly PC. We will need to learn
> this, as neither of us have any real experience, but students are
> increasingly expecting glitz in their presentations.

The 12" is perfect for what she needs to do.  The portability is a big plus
here.

N


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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Jim Eddy]

On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 06:37 PM, Frank P. Eigler wrote:


My wife is buying a new Powerbook to go with her new teaching job. So
the question is, which one?
My suggestion is for the 12" G4. My reasoning is that it represents  
the
most recent technology, where the 15" TiBook is a bit older design and
the iBook even older with a G3 processor. It also is very small and
light--a plus.
The main issues w/the 12" seem to be:

1.  It *is* small. Some folks have complained aboubt it seeming  
cramped.
2.  You can't boot directly into OS 9. This may/may not be important.
3.  It lacks a level 3 cache.
4.  It has a mediocre graphics card.

I recently got a 15" Ti. I'm very happy. It's a great  
balance/compromise,
but that opinion is based on my needs.

YMMV. What does she need/want it for.
Her needs are:
email and internet access,, at school and at home
Word processing (MS Word) for academic writing.
Possible multimedia presentations in class--probably Powerpoint since  
the IT at the university is predominantly PC. We will need to learn  
this, as neither of us have any real experience, but students are  
increasingly expecting glitz in their presentations.

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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Bruce Johnson]

Frank P. Eigler wrote:

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Jim Eddy wrote:


My wife is buying a new Powerbook to go with her new teaching job. So
the question is, which one?
My suggestion is for the 12" G4. My reasoning is that it represents the
most recent technology, where the 15" TiBook is a bit older design and
the iBook even older with a G3 processor. It also is very small and
light--a plus.


The main issues w/the 12" seem to be:

1.  It *is* small. Some folks have complained aboubt it seeming cramped.
2.  You can't boot directly into OS 9. This may/may not be important.
3.  It lacks a level 3 cache.
4.  It has a mediocre graphics card.
It also lacks a pcmcia slot. This may or may not be an issue, but a 
professor here was mildly peeved that she had to go buy another 
peripheral to drag around, as they use compact flash cards to transfer 
files about as well as photos from their camera.

As a desktop replacement the 15" is better than the 12". The 12" is 
lighter and more portable, and has better airport range.

The 15", while it is older design, is also more debugged design as well.

Most of the people opting for powerbooks here have gone for the 15" 
powerbook. The people buying the 12" seem to have been deciding between 
the iBook and it.

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University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group
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Re: Which Powerbook?

[Frank P. Eigler]

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Jim Eddy wrote:

> My wife is buying a new Powerbook to go with her new teaching job. So
> the question is, which one?
> My suggestion is for the 12" G4. My reasoning is that it represents the
> most recent technology, where the 15" TiBook is a bit older design and
> the iBook even older with a G3 processor. It also is very small and
> light--a plus.

The main issues w/the 12" seem to be:

1.  It *is* small. Some folks have complained aboubt it seeming cramped.
2.  You can't boot directly into OS 9. This may/may not be important.
3.  It lacks a level 3 cache.
4.  It has a mediocre graphics card.

I recently got a 15" Ti. I'm very happy. It's a great balance/compromise,
but that opinion is based on my needs.

YMMV. What does she need/want it for.

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Which Powerbook?

[Jim Eddy]

My wife is buying a new Powerbook to go with her new teaching job. So  
the question is, which one?
My suggestion is for the 12" G4. My reasoning is that it represents the  
most recent technology, where the 15" TiBook is a bit older design and  
the iBook even older with a G3 processor. It also is very small and  
light--a plus.
Still, it would be nice to have a bigger screen than the 12". If that  
were so, how would the 14" iBook go versus the 867mhz TiBook.
Any thoughts or suggestions?

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