Re: WiFi range?

2004-05-16 Thread Beniamino Cenci Goga
This is my situation:
Airport Extreme
G5 2x2
Aluminum 15
occasionally Wallstreet, Kanga, 5300ce with the Lucent 802.11b thing.
Bricks and concrete house.
These are the results:
I can never get the 100% signal, even when the Airport is 1 inch far 
from the Mac...

in any case the airport cannot cover the whole house, which is a 120 
square meters (in feet it should be 1291 sqf) with no stairs.

I have noticed problems whilst using the 2.4 GHz cordless telephone 
and occasionally the microwave oven.

BTW: 1 meter is equal to 3.28 feet.
BTW2: the 802.11b equipped vintage Macs seem to catch the signal 
better than the extreme equipped G4 and G5.

BTW3: I did not notice any decrease in performance when one of the 
older Macs joins the network (the whole thing should automatically 
drop to 802.11b) probably because of I cannot even reach the 
theoretical speed of the 802.11g network.

Ben

Brick and concrete (including stucco) tend to absorb the signal where
as  metal just reflects it.

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Re: WiFi range.

2004-05-12 Thread invicta
On 12 May 2004, at 07:01, G-Books wrote:

Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:38:34 -0400
Subject: Re: WiFi range.
From: Paul Kurtz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've only used an ABS for a few minutes once, but I THINK you can 
choose
from 11 different wireless frequencies by using the ABS setup software 
you
use to set up passwords, etc.  I know you can do this on 3rd party 
models.
This might help if you have something else competing on the same 
frequency.

Paul
Do you mean channels? I can not find frequencies. I'm now on channel 10 
of 11 available.

Andre.

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Re: WiFi range.

2004-05-12 Thread PaulKurtz III
Yep, that's it.

You could try changing the channel to the other end, like a 1,2, or 3.  This
will move the frequency farther away from where it is now, and maybe farther
from an interfering device.  However, another device may have nothing to do
with your problem.

When you change the frequency, you will just have to re-select the ABS out
of the wireless network list on your computer and log in again for it to
work.

Paul

 Do you mean channels? I can not find frequencies. I'm now on channel 10
 of 11 available.
 
 Andre.


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Re: WiFi range.

2004-05-12 Thread Thomas Ethen
Mine works best if I unplug my 2.4 Ghz phones, as the seem to really
interfere with the performance of my ABS.

Tom

on 5/12/04 12:53, PaulKurtz III at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yep, that's it.
 
 You could try changing the channel to the other end, like a 1,2, or 3.  This
 will move the frequency farther away from where it is now, and maybe farther
 from an interfering device.  However, another device may have nothing to do
 with your problem.
 
 When you change the frequency, you will just have to re-select the ABS out
 of the wireless network list on your computer and log in again for it to
 work.
 
 Paul


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Re: WiFi range.

2004-05-11 Thread invicta
On 11 May 2004, at 15:40, G-Books wrote:

Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 01:23:26 -0400
Subject: Re: WiFi range?
From: Paul Kurtz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Have you tried switching the frequency on your ABS, or tried the
interference robustness option on your laptop?  They may not work, 
but
they're free, so they couldn't hurt.

The other option might be to buy another brand of wireless router with 
an
adjustable antenna.  They are much cheaper then any of the ABS antenna
options, and most include 4 wired connections for other computers.  I 
have =
a
D-Link that can be found for around $30 on sale.

Paul
Yes Paul, I tried 'interference robustness but no difference. Where 
can I change the frequency on my ABSE ? If it's free I certainly would 
like to try it.

To buy another wireless router is for the time being no option. Want to 
try other options first with my present ABSE.

Andre.





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Re: WiFi range.

2004-05-11 Thread Paul Kurtz
I've only used an ABS for a few minutes once, but I THINK you can choose
from 11 different wireless frequencies by using the ABS setup software you
use to set up passwords, etc.  I know you can do this on 3rd party models.
This might help if you have something else competing on the same frequency.

Paul


On 5/11/04 3:11 PM, invicta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On 11 May 2004, at 15:40, G-Books wrote:
 
 
 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 01:23:26 -0400
 Subject: Re: WiFi range?
 From: Paul Kurtz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Have you tried switching the frequency on your ABS, or tried the
 interference robustness option on your laptop?  They may not work,
 but
 they're free, so they couldn't hurt.
 
 The other option might be to buy another brand of wireless router with
 an
 adjustable antenna.  They are much cheaper then any of the ABS antenna
 options, and most include 4 wired connections for other computers.  I
 have =
 a
 D-Link that can be found for around $30 on sale.
 
 Paul
 
 Yes Paul, I tried 'interference robustness but no difference. Where
 can I change the frequency on my ABSE ? If it's free I certainly would
 like to try it.
 
 To buy another wireless router is for the time being no option. Want to
 try other options first with my present ABSE.
 
 Andre.
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: WiFi range.

2004-05-10 Thread invicta

Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 17:30:32 -0500
Subject: Re: WiFi range.
From: Thomas Ethen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't remember the exact address where I got the information, but I  
may
have it on my desktop, which I will check when I get home. Here is a  
ABS
with external antenna for sale on ebay, which may lead you to the  
source for
the antenna itself.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 
ViewItemcategory=44996item=3094857319
rd=1ssPageName=WDVW
Thank you both, Tom and Jim. The one on e-bay is the one offered by Dr  
Bott. Also mentioned in the Apple Store with the remark, to be used  
with the ABSE with modem and antenna connection (which I don't have)

Jim directed me to a sight with lots of relevant info which i will  
study tonight. It looks like I will be able to find my way now, thanks  
to the support of both of you.

Will let you know how I fare, greetings, Andre.

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Re: WiFi range?

2004-05-10 Thread Paul Kurtz
Have you tried switching the frequency on your ABS, or tried the
interference robustness option on your laptop?  They may not work, but
they're free, so they couldn't hurt.

The other option might be to buy another brand of wireless router with an
adjustable antenna.  They are much cheaper then any of the ABS antenna
options, and most include 4 wired connections for other computers.  I have a
D-Link that can be found for around $30 on sale.

Paul

On 5/8/04 6:14 AM, invicta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello All,
 
 Having trouble with my wireless range.
 
 Set up: DSL modem in the hall  Airport Base Extreme in the study at 6
 m. distance from the modem  17 PB running OS X v. 10.3.3. The APBE is
 mounted on the side of a wooden cupboard ± 2 m. from floor level and
 facing at 1.5 m. a window out to the garden. Signal level shows 12 of
 the 15 dots lighted. Building is bungalow type with brick walls.
 
 I know that range is influenced by many factors but I would expect a
 range in my garden to reach 25 m. but it doesn't. My Kensington WiFi
 finder also does not recognize the base station at this distance.
 
 Any advice?
 
 TIA, greetings, Andre.
 
 
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Re: WiFi range?

2004-05-09 Thread invicta
On 8 May 2004, at 19:55, G-Books wrote:

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Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Richard Bae [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WiFi range?
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 04:57:54 -0700
Not a bash on Apple 'cause I love the way the base station looks,=20
however it is literally garbage for long range signals.  If it were 
me=20=

I would return it and get a nice longer range wi-fi ap from netgear 
or=20=

linksys.  But if you must keep it, I would get one of those antennas 
to=20=

add on to the basestation, otherwise there is not much more you can 
do=20=

to tweak your range.

-Richard Bae
As I cannot return the ABS I'm ready to try an additional antenna but 
my base station has no additional antenna port. What is the solution 
then?

Greetings, Andre

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Re: WiFi range?

2004-05-09 Thread Ken
My Reply follows quote. On 09/05/2004 08:08 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

On 8 May 2004, at 19:55, G-Books wrote:

 From: Richard Bae [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: WiFi range?
 Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 04:57:54 -0700

 Not a bash on Apple 'cause I love the way the base station looks,=20
 however it is literally garbage for long range signals.  If it were 
 me I would return it and get a nice longer range wi-fi ap from netgear 
 or linksys.  But if you must keep it, I would get one of those antennas 
 to add on to the basestation, otherwise there is not much more you can 
 do to tweak your range.

 -Richard Bae

As I cannot return the ABS I'm ready to try an additional antenna but 
my base station has no additional antenna port. What is the solution 
then?

Greetings, Andre
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Some time ago I acquired an original Airport base station. I googled 
around for info on the thing (it was almost free) and ran across a site 
with various hacks. (Sorry, I can't recall the URL.) One involved opening 
up the thing and adding an external antenna. There were also various 
designs for antennas. Also, I believe there was an article in a MacAddict 
magazine about adding an external antenna to the Airport base station. It 
involves opening up the case and making an opening for the antenna 
connector. evidently, there is already a connection inside the thing for 
an antenna.

Ken

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Re: WiFi range?

2004-05-09 Thread Thomas Ethen
On the card inside the ABS there is a small plug on the end, which if
removed will show a connector for an external antenna such as the one inside
a PowerBook. You can purchase the connector that goes from the card which
has a connector for a CB antenna on the other end(I got one on ebay quite a
while ago), which will give you range of between one half and two miles if
the antenna is placed high enough. You will have to modify the ABS case to
allow the cable to extend outside to be able to attach the external antenna.
There are also commercial antennas available for ABS which already have the
correct connector to plug onto your Airport card.

Tom
 
 As I cannot return the ABS I'm ready to try an additional antenna but
 my base station has no additional antenna port. What is the solution
 then?
 
 Greetings, Andre


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Re: WiFi range.

2004-05-09 Thread invicta
On 9 May 2004, at 20:58, G-Books wrote:

Subject: Re: WiFi range?
From: Thomas Ethen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On the card inside the ABS there is a small plug on the end, which if
removed will show a connector for an external antenna such as the one 
inside
a PowerBook. You can purchase the connector that goes from the card 
which
has a connector for a CB antenna on the other end(I got one on ebay 
quite a
while ago), which will give you range of between one half and two 
miles if
the antenna is placed high enough. You will have to modify the ABS 
case to
allow the cable to extend outside to be able to attach the external 
antenna.
There are also commercial antennas available for ABS which already 
have the
correct connector to plug onto your Airport card.

Tom
Thank you Tom. Could you direct me to a source of such a commercial 
antenna supplier? I vaguely remember an offer sometime back, before I 
went wireless, where you had to drill a hole through the outer casing 
of the ABS Extreme to accommodate the lead to the external antenna. The 
name and address escapes me.

Andre.



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Re: WiFi range.

2004-05-09 Thread Thomas Ethen
I don't remember the exact address where I got the information, but I may
have it on my desktop, which I will check when I get home. Here is a ABS
with external antenna for sale on ebay, which may lead you to the source for
the antenna itself.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=44996item=3094857319
rd=1ssPageName=WDVW

Tom
 Thank you Tom. Could you direct me to a source of such a commercial
 antenna supplier? I vaguely remember an offer sometime back, before I
 went wireless, where you had to drill a hole through the outer casing
 of the ABS Extreme to accommodate the lead to the external antenna. The
 name and address escapes me.
 
 Andre.
 
 


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Re: WiFi range.

2004-05-09 Thread Thomas Ethen
Here is one for around $83:

http://www.mysimon.com/Dr_Bott_ExtendAIR_Omni_antenna/4014-3266_8-30138049.h
tml?tag=lstq=

Here is the new and improved model for $138:

http://mac-pro.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=airdirect
Category_Code=NT

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Re: WiFi range?

2004-05-09 Thread Jim Eddy
This is a good site for base station repair and modification:
http://www.vonwentzel.net/ABS/
On May 9, 2004, at 2:42 PM, Thomas Ethen wrote:

On the card inside the ABS there is a small plug on the end, which if
removed will show a connector for an external antenna such as the one  
inside
a PowerBook. You can purchase the connector that goes from the card  
which
has a connector for a CB antenna on the other end(I got one on ebay  
quite a
while ago), which will give you range of between one half and two  
miles if
the antenna is placed high enough. You will have to modify the ABS  
case to
allow the cable to extend outside to be able to attach the external  
antenna.
There are also commercial antennas available for ABS which already  
have the
correct connector to plug onto your Airport card.

Tom
As I cannot return the ABS I'm ready to try an additional antenna but
my base station has no additional antenna port. What is the solution
then?
Greetings, Andre

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WiFi range?

2004-05-08 Thread invicta
Hello All,

Having trouble with my wireless range.

Set up: DSL modem in the hall  Airport Base Extreme in the study at 6 
m. distance from the modem  17 PB running OS X v. 10.3.3. The APBE is 
mounted on the side of a wooden cupboard ± 2 m. from floor level and 
facing at 1.5 m. a window out to the garden. Signal level shows 12 of 
the 15 dots lighted. Building is bungalow type with brick walls.

I know that range is influenced by many factors but I would expect a 
range in my garden to reach 25 m. but it doesn't. My Kensington WiFi 
finder also does not recognize the base station at this distance.

Any advice?

TIA, greetings, Andre.

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Re: WiFi range?

2004-05-08 Thread Richard Bae
Not a bash on Apple 'cause I love the way the base station looks, 
however it is literally garbage for long range signals.  If it were me 
I would return it and get a nice longer range wi-fi ap from netgear or 
linksys.  But if you must keep it, I would get one of those antennas to 
add on to the basestation, otherwise there is not much more you can do 
to tweak your range.

-Richard Bae
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On 8 May 2004, at 03.14, invicta wrote:
Hello All,

Having trouble with my wireless range.

Set up: DSL modem in the hall  Airport Base Extreme in the study at 6 
m. distance from the modem  17 PB running OS X v. 10.3.3. The APBE 
is mounted on the side of a wooden cupboard ± 2 m. from floor level 
and facing at 1.5 m. a window out to the garden. Signal level shows 12 
of the 15 dots lighted. Building is bungalow type with brick walls.

I know that range is influenced by many factors but I would expect a 
range in my garden to reach 25 m. but it doesn't. My Kensington WiFi 
finder also does not recognize the base station at this distance.

Any advice?

TIA, greetings, Andre.

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Re: WiFi range?

2004-05-08 Thread Ken
My Reply follows quote. On 08/05/2004 04:57 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Not a bash on Apple 'cause I love the way the base station looks,
however it is literally garbage for long range signals.  If it were me
I would return it and get a nice longer range wi-fi ap from netgear or
linksys.  But if you must keep it, I would get one of those antennas to
add on to the basestation, otherwise there is not much more you can do
to tweak your range.


-Richard Bae
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On 8 May 2004, at 03.14, invicta wrote:

 Hello All,

 Having trouble with my wireless range.

 Set up: DSL modem in the hall  Airport Base Extreme in the study at 6
 m. distance from the modem  17 PB running OS X v. 10.3.3. The APBE
 is mounted on the side of a wooden cupboard ± 2 m. from floor level
 and facing at 1.5 m. a window out to the garden. Signal level shows 12
 of the 15 dots lighted. Building is bungalow type with brick walls.

 I know that range is influenced by many factors but I would expect a
 range in my garden to reach 25 m. but it doesn't. My Kensington WiFi
 finder also does not recognize the base station at this distance.

 Any advice?
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Well, antenna design and orientation is a bit of art and of science.
Inside a house, there are factors that may be hidden from you that
influence the propagation and attenuation of the signal. The presence of
metal in the walls (screening in the windows, wiring, wire used in stucco
finishes, foil backed insulation, etc) will weaken the signal.

The orientation of the antenna is a significant factor with high
frequency signals at low power.

If you have a clear shot from the antenna to the window (and it doesn't
have metal screening) try a horizontal orientation of the antenna. Check
the cupboard to see if it is full of pots and pans or some such.

Run the Optimize Placement utility and see what happens as you move the
antenna and change orientation.

Ken

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Re: WiFi range?

2004-05-08 Thread Timothy J. Luoma
On Sat, 8 May 2004 12:14:37 +0200, invicta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Set up: DSL modem in the hall  Airport Base Extreme in the study at 6  
m. distance from the modem  17 PB running OS X v. 10.3.3. The APBE is  
mounted on the side of a wooden cupboard ± 2 m. from floor level and  
facing at 1.5 m. a window out to the garden. Signal level shows 12 of  
the 15 dots lighted. Building is bungalow type with brick walls.
My guess would be the brick walls are what are killing your signal.

I know that range is influenced by many factors but I would expect a  
range in my garden to reach 25 m. but it doesn't. My Kensington WiFi  
finder also does not recognize the base station at this distance.
My base station covers the entire house, upstairs and down, but it's  
largely open space.

Someone suggested that the ABE is lousy for signal strength, but again  
that depends on a lot of factors.

The suggestion to get an antennae is a good one.  You might also want to  
get another base unit and see if that one works better.

...

Hrm... re-reading above, are you saying that you can see the base station  
through the window 25m away and it won't reach you?  Are there  
microwaves/florescent lighting around?  If you change the orientation of  
the station (physically turn it different ways) does that help?

If you have a clear line of sight, that should work from that distance.   
My Linksys said to put the WIFI unit as high as possible for best range,  
so perhaps raise it higher off the ground?

TjL

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Re: WiFi range?

2004-05-08 Thread Thomas Ethen
Check the frequency of your portable phones!

Tom


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Re: WiFi range?

2004-05-08 Thread Steven Rogers
On May 8, 2004, at 11:31 AM, Timothy J. Luoma wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2004 12:14:37 +0200, invicta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Set up: DSL modem in the hall  Airport Base Extreme in the study at 
6 m. distance from the modem  17 PB running OS X v. 10.3.3. The 
APBE is mounted on the side of a wooden cupboard ± 2 m. from floor 
level and facing at 1.5 m. a window out to the garden. Signal level 
shows 12 of the 15 dots lighted. Building is bungalow type with brick 
walls.
My guess would be the brick walls are what are killing your signal.
Probably - there are commonly little metal strips stuck in the brick 
mortar and nailed back to the house to secure the brick veneer, making 
a nice RF shielding.

SR

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Re: WiFi range?

2004-05-08 Thread Clark Martin
At 2:47 PM -0500 5/8/04, Steven Rogers wrote:
On May 8, 2004, at 11:31 AM, Timothy J. Luoma wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2004 12:14:37 +0200, invicta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Set up: DSL modem in the hall  Airport Base Extreme in the study
at 6 m. distance from the modem  17 PB running OS X v. 10.3.3.
The APBE is mounted on the side of a wooden cupboard ± 2 m. from
floor level and facing at 1.5 m. a window out to the garden.
Signal level shows 12 of the 15 dots lighted. Building is bungalow
type with brick walls.
My guess would be the brick walls are what are killing your signal.
Probably - there are commonly little metal strips stuck in the brick
mortar and nailed back to the house to secure the brick veneer,
making a nice RF shielding.


But those strips (at least the ones I've seen) aren't continuous.  To
block a radio signal from getting through you need metal with holes
no larger than a certain size.  The size is a fraction of the
wavelength).
Much of my has has stucco which has a metal mesh embedded in it.  The
holes in this mesh are about 1.  This is small enough block the
signal.  One advantage of UHF and above is that it will tend to
bounce around a lot and go in and out of windows or other openings in
a shielded structure.  Even with the stucco walls I can get a signal
out in front of my house.
Brick and concrete (including stucco) tend to absorb the signal where
as  metal just reflects it.
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