Re: G5 1.8GHz tower doesn't work w/video well

[Gorka L Martinez Mezo]

A few months ago I prepared a 22min video with iMovie 09 in a 2008 15in 
MacBookPro. Using an AVCHD camera, it truly taxed the system. All worked 
well except for a 3min clip out of synch. I tried everything to try correct 
it but to no avail.


The same clip mounted flawlessy in a dual 2GHz PowerMac G5 using Final Cut 
Studio.


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Re: G5 1.8GHz tower doesn't work w/video well

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Gorka L Martinez Mezo  wrote:

> A few months ago I prepared a 22min video with iMovie 09 in a 2008 15in
> MacBookPro. Using an AVCHD camera, it truly taxed the system. All worked
> well except for a 3min clip out of synch. I tried everything to try correct
> it but to no avail.
>
> The same clip mounted flawlessy in a dual 2GHz PowerMac G5 using Final Cut
> Studio.
>
>
_

I searched my gmail trash extensively to see what I had missed here.
Thinking I had lost a thread. But none found.

Your subject line mentions a " G5 1.8GHz tower " but the post mentions two
other machines ? ? ?

You mention nothing about RAM or project settings nor about where you placed
the files used as resource. All of this and more effects the speed and
reliability of an edit.
I have very little experience with iMovie but consider any version of FCP to
be superior.
iMovie alone may account for your clip trouble.

Your lack of detail makes an opinion difficult.

But are you sure you did not accidently unlink the audio and video tracks?
I can only assume that is what you mean when you say the clip was " out of
synch ".

Try realigning them and relink them. Or simply reload the source or redefine
the clip if it is part of a bigger clip.

You could also search the history if available and spot the event where the
condition was triggered. Just to try to prevent it happening again. Do you
save versions?
















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Re: G5 1.8GHz tower doesn't work w/video well

[Gorka L Martinez Mezo]

I searched my gmail trash extensively to see what I had missed here.
Thinking I had lost a thread. But none found.


People was commenting their experiences with the iMovie suite. So I threw 
mine!



Your subject line mentions a " G5 1.8GHz tower " but the post mentions two
other machines ? ? ?


Yep.

You mention nothing about RAM or project settings nor about where you 
placed

the files used as resource. All of this and more effects the speed and
reliability of an edit.
I have very little experience with iMovie but consider any version of FCP 
to

be superior.
iMovie alone may account for your clip trouble.


That`s what I though! The machine was a 15in MacBook Pro with a 2,5GHz Core 
2 Duo and 2Gb DDR3 RAM. I downloaded everything in the HDD, a 5400rpm 250Gb 
unit which at the tine was almost empty.



But are you sure you did not accidently unlink the audio and video tracks?
I can only assume that is what you mean when you say the clip was " out of
synch ".

Try realigning them and relink them. Or simply reload the source or 
redefine

the clip if it is part of a bigger clip.

You could also search the history if available and spot the event where 
the

condition was triggered. Just to try to prevent it happening again. Do you
save versions?


I downloaded the clips from the video camera (a Sony AVCHD camerad with a 
120Gb HD) into the HDD, loaded them with iMovie and tested them. All 
reproduced OK. Them I proceded to edit them and paste the complete clip. In 
some parts I turned off the original audio and included a new soundtrack 
from my iTunes library. The raw project worked flawlessy. Problem was 
exporting it to any video format. It took about an hour to process and I had 
the same problem with any format I tried: around min 15 the sound became out 
of sync with the image, garbling about four minutes of the clip. I tried to 
rearrange it, moving the problematic clip around, loading it again from the 
video camera to no avail.


I suspected it was a problem with that clip until I mounted perfectly 
under Final Cut Pro.


Gorka 


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Re: graphics card for Quicksilver 2002

[Frank J. R. Hanstick]

Hello,
The Quicksilver has a 340 Watt power supply.

On Apr 8, 2010, at 10:09 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:


lol I happen to have a good video card. I can let it go for $50.

Company: Nvidia
Model: GeForce 6800GT
Model series: GeForce 6
Slot: AGP 4x-8x
VRAM: 256MB DDR2
MFG. DATE: November 2004
BFG technologies
it has dual fans with a metal plate on the front of it.

the video card requires a power supply box of at least 240w. It  
requires a power plug like the ones used on cd/dvd drives and hard  
drives.


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Re: Safari taking a long time to load web page after restart.

[John Carmonne]

On Apr 8, 2010, at 9:56 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

> I know the latest version addressed the memory leak, but the thing is, I have 
> a G3 iMac with Tiger on it, and I can't install the latest version of safari 
> on it. I guess safari will only come into use on my PM G4 with Leopard.

Mark
I have 3 G3 iMacs 10.4.11 all have Safari 4.0.5 as does my MBP 10.6.3 and all 
the rest of my machines, I don't use it because Safari sucks IMHO.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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Re: Ext 500 Gb USB Drive Issues on 450 MHz G4

[John Carmonne]

On Apr 8, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

> look you guys, if you want leopard to run on a G4 processor slower than 
> 867Mhz, you don't need some serious hacking... lol who would hack just to 
> install leopard.
>  
> Just download LeopardAssist. It basically allows leopard to install by giving 
> your system fake info ma,king it think that it is 933Mhz or 867Mhz, your 
> choice. This only works on G4 processors, but instead of 512MB of RAM, i 
> would reccomend 1GB to compensate for the slower processor.

No hacking required I do it all the time. Use CCC to install the system on any 
G4.

John Carmonne
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Re: G4 Quicksilver question

[John Carmonne]

On Apr 8, 2010, at 10:24 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

> You know what? you could've partitined it! It could only read 128GB of 
> partition space at a time, so why don't you put that 250GBHDD back in there, 
> and put in (2) 125GB partitions. Also, if you want to "beef it up", use 
> LeopardAssist to put leopard on it. Leopard requires a G4 processor @ 867Mhz 
> or faster, but 800Mhz is pretty close anyways.
> 
It won't see any more than 128 GBs without a hack.

John Carmonne
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I got a pismo g3 400 for a project, your thoughts and help welcomed.

[Baha Ata]

I got a pismo g3 400. without screen and hd. case broken but all other
hardware is ok.

I plan to obtain a Pismo screen from ebay and convert it to a picture frame
with iTunes server ability or pre-anfi.

I am curious about RF...

Do u know any RF remote commander for it, or i need stick with RF usb
devices?

I am glad to have extra parts for security, anyone has broken Pismo wish to
share its parts for my project.

Any recommendation?

Running 10.4 for this kind of system will be good i guess, any other OS
recommendation. I will have 1 GB memory.

60 GB IDE HD.

No DVD or CD rom i plan to have.

Remote keyboar and mouse ( probably mouse with hand mouse ability) with
bluetooth will be wonderful but is it possible with pismo?

Any wireless card recommendation?

I plan to stick on g3 400 with default CPU, is it okey with itunes working
with mp3...

Is it possible this play Divx? with this CPU (ofcourse no possiblity i guess
Hi-def)

Thanks.

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Re: Ext 500 Gb USB Drive Issues on 450 MHz G4

[t...@io.com]

On Apr 8, 11:00 am, Jonas Lopez  wrote:
> Ext Seagate 500 Gb USB Drive Issues on 450 MHz G4
>
> 1. There is a limit on hds, something like 180 Mb, but does this apply to 
> External USB drives? Shows on dt as 500 ok.

The limitation, when it exists, is caused by the controller hardware
and/or firmware associated with it.   For internal drives, it's the
ATA controller on the Mac logic board and the firmware resident in the
Mac.For USB and Firewire enclosures any limit is set by the bridge
in the external enclosure.  The 'bridge' is the logic which translates
between the hard drive's ATA or SATA and USB or Firewire.

So drive capacity addressability limitation on external hard drives
will always depend on the drive enclosure logic, not on the host
computer.

Of course, there may be some kind of bizarre exception, but in general
this is the case.

Jeff Walther

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Re: G4 Quicksilver question

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 8, 2010, at 10:24 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:


You know what? you could've partitined it! It could only read 128GB of
partition space at a time, so why don't you put that 250GBHDD back  
in there,

and put in (2) 125GB partitions.


Because that WONT WORK. You either need to use a hack like the  
firmware hack (discussed in these formums numerous times) or a third  
party tool like OWC sells.


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Re: G4 Quicksilver question

[Sri Gupta]

Note that the QS won't support a G4 pulled from a MDD system, you need
to look for a G4 pulled specifically from a QS or earlier (or an
upgrade card, but for the most part I find them overpriced; you can
buy a 1.6ghz G4 upgrade card for $199, or a dual G4 1.25 ghz MDD off
ebay for $209...)

Check the lemswap group, that's been my best source for cheap
upgrades.

-sri

On Apr 8, 10:02 pm, "Keith Proctor"  wrote:
> You correct Clark. It is an early Quicksilver and not a DA. I tried a 250
> gig HD but it only saw 128 gig of it. Hated to waste all that drive space so
> I just used a smaller drive on hand. I will look for a dual processor now
> and beef this machine up a bit.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Clark Martin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 6:22 PM
> Subject: Re: G4 Quicksilver question
>
> > On 4/8/10 10:28 AM, Keith Proctor wrote:
> >> I just revived a dead Quicksilver and returned it to service. Had to
> >> replace a logic board. It is currently running OS 10.3.9.
> >> This is my first attempt at reviving a dead Mac so bare with my
> >> ignorance here. Done many PCs before, but this is the first Mac I worked
> >> with in this state.
> >> Machine is running beautifully with a 40 gig HD and 1.5 gig of RAM. Very
> >> stable and surprisingly fast for its age.
> >> Question is, just how far can I take this upgrade wise?
> >> I like how this thing runs and would love to put my Adobe CS software on
> >> it.
> >> As it sits now it is configured with:
> >> 800mhz processor
> >> 1.5 gig Ram
> >> 40 gig HD
> >> DVD Read/Write
> >> This is the model they call the Digital Audio version with the audio
> >> connections near the top section of the back panel.
> >> Any advice welcome!
> >> Keith
>
> > QuickSilver and Digital Audio are two distinct models of Power Mac G4.
> > QuickSilver have a light gray (silver) front panel.  The DA has a dark
> > front panel, same as the Yikes, Sawtooth and Gigabit Ethernet.
>
> > If it is a QuickSilver you can upgrade the processor to a dual, at least
> > 1GHz.  The memory maxed out already.  A video card upgrade is a
> > possiblity.  If this is a QS 2002 then you could put in a PATA harddrive
> > as big as you can.  The earlier QS was limited to 128Gb.

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Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[Dan]

At 6:24 PM -0400 3/15/2010, Dan wrote:

Anyone seeing a memory leak in Safari - it's just growing and growing?

When first launched, Safari is using about 20MB real, 145 MB 
virtual, here - according to Activity Monitor. 

Open and close pages, and the sizes just go up, never back down. 
Tried pulling SafariBlock and ClickToFlash, but that didn't make a 
diff.  Right now, after opening only 8 tabs, Safari is up to 2.02 GB 
virtual!


So while Sam and Dean have been up to their eyes in demons, whores, 
and grumpy angels, Apple got back to me about the leak -- not their 
problem go talk to the webkit guys.  Nice.  Developers telling an 
end-user to follow thru with bugs on THEIR products.  Well, the 
webkit guys seem to already know about the issues.


Check out today's WebKit Nightly.  It seems to be much faster than 
the shipped webkit (as usual) plus much of the memory leak is under 
control.  It still grows, but at a much slower rate.  Only been using 
it for a few hours; YMMV...




FWIW,
- Dan.
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Re: G5 1.8GHz tower doesn't work w/video well

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Gorka L Martinez Mezo  wrote:

>
>
>
>  You mention nothing about RAM or project settings nor about where you
>> placed
>> the files used as resource. All of this and more effects the speed and
>> reliability of an edit.
>> I have very little experience with iMovie but consider any version of FCP
>> to
>> be superior.
>> iMovie alone may account for your clip trouble.
>>
>
> That`s what I though! The machine was a 15in MacBook Pro with a 2,5GHz Core
> 2 Duo and 2Gb DDR3 RAM. I downloaded everything in the HDD, a 5400rpm 250Gb
> unit which at the tine was almost empty.


If such a machine has trouble handling even HD I would suspect a caching
memory error or a faulty install. Did you check for any updates to iMovie or
errors related to your problem?
Oh, wait ! The problem is perhaps the 5400 rpm Hard drive spin rate. 7200 is
usually considered the lower limit to edit in real time. Try using a USB
external or a big thumb drive as resource and work space.  Yeah I bet the
slow HD is the prob.

>
>
>  But are you sure you did not accidently unlink the audio and video tracks?
>> I can only assume that is what you mean when you say the clip was " out of
>> synch ".
>>
>> Try realigning them and relink them. Or simply reload the source or
>> redefine
>> the clip if it is part of a bigger clip.
>>
>> You could also search the history if available and spot the event where
>> the
>> condition was triggered. Just to try to prevent it happening again. Do you
>> save versions?
>>
>
> I downloaded the clips from the video camera (a Sony AVCHD camerad with a
> 120Gb HD) into the HDD, loaded them with iMovie and tested them. All
> reproduced OK. Them I proceded to edit them and paste the complete clip. In
> some parts I turned off the original audio and included a new soundtrack
> from my iTunes library. The raw project worked flawlessy. Problem was
> exporting it to any video format. It took about an hour to process and I had
> the same problem with any format I tried: around min 15 the sound became out
> of sync with the image, garbling about four minutes of the clip. I tried to
> rearrange it, moving the problematic clip around, loading it again from the
> video camera to no avail.
>
> I suspected it was a problem with that clip until I mounted perfectly
> under Final Cut Pro.
>
>
There are so many control gadjets and some are small and " touchy" sometimes
you just pass over a control and the audio/video unlink or some other
problem occurs.

Histories and project versions as well as saved renders along the way take
up a lot of space. But depending on the importance of the project and the
work involved it can be worth the effort. After a project is over I export
them to DVD ( if valuable) and then clean the drive space. Sometimes just
exporting an EDL is enough. And then trashing the rest.


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Re: G5 1.8GHz tower doesn't work w/video well

[John Musbach]

On 4/9/10, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio  wrote:
>  Try using a USB
> external or a big thumb drive as resource and work space.  Yeah I bet the
> slow HD is the prob.

if a slow HD is the problem, a USB external will definitely not help
because USB is only fast in bursts. If you're going to go tge external
route I'd strongly recommend one that has a FireWire interface
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Re: G5 1.8GHz tower doesn't work w/video well

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

I have never had a single problem editing to a USB 2 drive ever. And if I
went to FW I
 would spend the money on FW 800. they are really fast. But give me solid
state any time I can afford it.








On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 7:36 PM, John Musbach  wrote:

> On 4/9/10, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio  wrote:
> >  Try using a USB
> > external or a big thumb drive as resource and work space.  Yeah I bet the
> > slow HD is the prob.
>
> if a slow HD is the problem, a USB external will definitely not help
> because USB is only fast in bursts. If you're going to go tge external
> route I'd strongly recommend one that has a FireWire interface
> instead.
>
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Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Dan wrote:



So while Sam and Dean have been up to their eyes in demons, whores,  
and grumpy angels, Apple got back to me about the leak -- not their  
problem go talk to the webkit guys.  Nice.  Developers telling an  
end-user to follow thru with bugs on THEIR products. Well, the  
webkit guys seem to already know about the issues.


Maybe they've been too busy developing WK2




The title is horribly misleading as it sounds like Apple is not using  
it. But Apple's release WK2 which has a process separation (like  
Chrome) done in a way that makes it easy to plug into an API.


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Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[Dan]

At 1:08 PM -0700 4/9/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote:

On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Dan wrote:
So while Sam and Dean have been up to their eyes in demons, whores, 
and grumpy angels, Apple got back to me about the leak -- not their 
problem go talk to the webkit guys.  Nice.  Developers telling an 
end-user to follow thru with bugs on THEIR products. Well, the 
webkit guys seem to already know about the issues.


Maybe they've been too busy developing WK2


I don't think WebKit2 will help Sam or Dean much.




The title is horribly misleading as it sounds like Apple is not using it.


LOL


But Apple's release WK2 which has a process separation


It will be interesting to try out, when they drop a browser front end 
that knows the new API.


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Performance Evaluation

[M Christol]

I want to compare the performance of a dual 2.5 ghz G5 to a new quad 
core mac

without buying the newer one.
Is there a site that lays these machines out side by side ?
I have found some that kinda do
thanks

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Re: Performance Evaluation

[Chance Reecher]

Head over to db.xbench.com.

Find your model of PowerMac G5, click "set as comparison baseline," then 
"compare to other systems," and find the quad-core Mac. It'll put one 
machine's ratings in red and the other in blue, making the comparison 
very simple.


HTH,
Chance

M Christol wrote:
I want to compare the performance of a dual 2.5 ghz G5 to a new quad 
core mac

without buying the newer one.
Is there a site that lays these machines out side by side ?
I have found some that kinda do
thanks



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Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Hmm... and here I thought Apple was a happy go lucky nice giant. Apple
is an awesome company when it comes to products, but sometimes their
employess can turn their backs on us. "Not my problem that Safari has
a memory leak." Not my problem? Well, what can I say? The world is
falling apart faster than you can think of it. There are going to be
people out there who act like that. I am saying that that the company
is not bad in general, it's just that sometimes there are certain
people that are hired who are just depressed, mad, and they spread it
around them. That is where rumors and generalizations come from. Apple
isn't bad just because it has a few grouch bugs saying that it's not
their problem. Trust me,  I knew Apple for a while now, and they would
never turn their backs. Only the very few "Grouchbugs" who decide to
spread anger around people around them are the real "big bad wolves".

On 4/9/10, Dan  wrote:
> At 1:08 PM -0700 4/9/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>>On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Dan wrote:
>>>So while Sam and Dean have been up to their eyes in demons, whores,
>>>and grumpy angels, Apple got back to me about the leak -- not their
>>>problem go talk to the webkit guys.  Nice.  Developers telling an
>>>end-user to follow thru with bugs on THEIR products. Well, the
>>>webkit guys seem to already know about the issues.
>>
>>Maybe they've been too busy developing WK2
>
> I don't think WebKit2 will help Sam or Dean much.
>
>>
>>
>>The title is horribly misleading as it sounds like Apple is not using it.
>
> LOL
>
>>But Apple's release WK2 which has a process separation
>
> It will be interesting to try out, when they drop a browser front end
> that knows the new API.
>
> - Dan.
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Re: G5 1.8GHz tower doesn't work w/video well

[Mark Sokolovsky]

The reason why iMovie '09 works faster on your PM G5 Gorka, is because
it has dual-processor technology, so it runs as if it has two
processor cores. Here is an approximate comparison of processors
today:

PowerPC G5 Quad 2.5Ghz = Intel i7 Quad core 2.93Ghz
PowerPC G5 Dual 1.8Ghz = Intel Pentium dual core @2.1Ghz
PowerPC G4 Dual 1.67Ghz = Intel Pentium dual core @1.6Ghz
PowerPC G4 single 1.33Ghz = Intel Pentium 4 single @ 2.4Ghz
PowerPC G4 single 400Mhz = Intel Pentium 4 single @ 1.3 or 1.4Ghz
PowerPC G3 900Mhz = Intel Pentium III @ 1.3Ghz
PowerPC G3 300Mhz = Intel Pentium II @ 500Mhz

These test results are based on computers I have. If you would like to
find out where to get a Quad core PowerPC G5 processor, they only came
in 2.5Ghz, and also they are RARE because they only shipped on Power
Mac G5 computers for about 7 months before they were replaced by
intel.

On 4/9/10, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio  wrote:
> I have never had a single problem editing to a USB 2 drive ever. And if I
> went to FW I
>  would spend the money on FW 800. they are really fast. But give me solid
> state any time I can afford it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 7:36 PM, John Musbach  wrote:
>
>> On 4/9/10, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio  wrote:
>> >  Try using a USB
>> > external or a big thumb drive as resource and work space.  Yeah I bet
>> > the
>> > slow HD is the prob.
>>
>> if a slow HD is the problem, a USB external will definitely not help
>> because USB is only fast in bursts. If you're going to go tge external
>> route I'd strongly recommend one that has a FireWire interface
>> instead.
>>
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Re: G4 Quicksilver question

[Mark Sokolovsky]

Wait, how about this. I have a SCSI controller card Ultra66. It is
completely compatible with macs, and it goes into the PCI slot. It
basically had 2 EIDE plugs on it, and it breaks that 128GB limit. I
have used it before, i flashed it after i pulled it out of a Windows
NT 4 server. It works nicely.I can let it go for $40 US.

On 4/9/10, Sri Gupta  wrote:
> Note that the QS won't support a G4 pulled from a MDD system, you need
> to look for a G4 pulled specifically from a QS or earlier (or an
> upgrade card, but for the most part I find them overpriced; you can
> buy a 1.6ghz G4 upgrade card for $199, or a dual G4 1.25 ghz MDD off
> ebay for $209...)
>
> Check the lemswap group, that's been my best source for cheap
> upgrades.
>
> -sri
>
> On Apr 8, 10:02 pm, "Keith Proctor"  wrote:
>> You correct Clark. It is an early Quicksilver and not a DA. I tried a 250
>> gig HD but it only saw 128 gig of it. Hated to waste all that drive space
>> so
>> I just used a smaller drive on hand. I will look for a dual processor now
>> and beef this machine up a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Clark Martin" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 6:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: G4 Quicksilver question
>>
>> > On 4/8/10 10:28 AM, Keith Proctor wrote:
>> >> I just revived a dead Quicksilver and returned it to service. Had to
>> >> replace a logic board. It is currently running OS 10.3.9.
>> >> This is my first attempt at reviving a dead Mac so bare with my
>> >> ignorance here. Done many PCs before, but this is the first Mac I
>> >> worked
>> >> with in this state.
>> >> Machine is running beautifully with a 40 gig HD and 1.5 gig of RAM.
>> >> Very
>> >> stable and surprisingly fast for its age.
>> >> Question is, just how far can I take this upgrade wise?
>> >> I like how this thing runs and would love to put my Adobe CS software
>> >> on
>> >> it.
>> >> As it sits now it is configured with:
>> >> 800mhz processor
>> >> 1.5 gig Ram
>> >> 40 gig HD
>> >> DVD Read/Write
>> >> This is the model they call the Digital Audio version with the audio
>> >> connections near the top section of the back panel.
>> >> Any advice welcome!
>> >> Keith
>>
>> > QuickSilver and Digital Audio are two distinct models of Power Mac G4.
>> > QuickSilver have a light gray (silver) front panel.  The DA has a dark
>> > front panel, same as the Yikes, Sawtooth and Gigabit Ethernet.
>>
>> > If it is a QuickSilver you can upgrade the processor to a dual, at least
>> > 1GHz.  The memory maxed out already.  A video card upgrade is a
>> > possiblity.  If this is a QS 2002 then you could put in a PATA harddrive
>> > as big as you can.  The earlier QS was limited to 128Gb.
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Re: graphics card for Quicksilver 2002

[Mark Sokolovsky]

OK then. Are you ready to buy it?

On 4/9/10, Frank J. R. Hanstick  wrote:
> Hello,
>   The Quicksilver has a 340 Watt power supply.
>
> On Apr 8, 2010, at 10:09 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
>
>> lol I happen to have a good video card. I can let it go for $50.
>>
>> Company: Nvidia
>> Model: GeForce 6800GT
>> Model series: GeForce 6
>> Slot: AGP 4x-8x
>> VRAM: 256MB DDR2
>> MFG. DATE: November 2004
>> BFG technologies
>> it has dual fans with a metal plate on the front of it.
>>
>> the video card requires a power supply box of at least 240w. It
>> requires a power plug like the ones used on cd/dvd drives and hard
>> drives.
>>
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Re: Safari taking a long time to load web page after restart.

[Mark Sokolovsky]

ok. I don't use Safari 4.0 on any of my powerpc machines, becuase i am
a heavy multitasker, and normally I have about 10 tabs open. one on my
email, other on my friend's website, and so on...
It takes WAY TOO MUCH out of my system to run safari 4.0. In fact, i
have a PM G4 Graphite with Leopard on it, and safari 4 is SOO laggy on
it, my iBook G3 clamshell with jaguar runs safari 1.0 much better than
it? Isn't that ironic?

On 4/9/10, John Carmonne  wrote:
>
> On Apr 8, 2010, at 9:56 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
>
>> I know the latest version addressed the memory leak, but the thing is, I
>> have a G3 iMac with Tiger on it, and I can't install the latest version of
>> safari on it. I guess safari will only come into use on my PM G4 with
>> Leopard.
>
> Mark
> I have 3 G3 iMacs 10.4.11 all have Safari 4.0.5 as does my MBP 10.6.3 and
> all the rest of my machines, I don't use it because Safari sucks IMHO.
>
> John Carmonne
> Yorba Linda USA
> Sent from my MBP
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Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 9, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:


Hmm... and here I thought Apple was a happy go lucky nice giant. Apple
is an awesome company when it comes to products, but sometimes their
employess can turn their backs on us. "Not my problem that Safari has
a memory leak."


Seriously, if it's a problem with Webkit, then it is, in fact, the  
Webkit dev's issue, not Apple's.


Apple != Webkit.

They DO have people working on Webkit, and their use of Webkit in OS X  
has really pushed WK forward, but the Webkit project is independent of  
Apple.


Dan would get the same response if he complained about a memory leak  
in Apache, or something messed up in gcc.


They probably should have been more politic in their answer and said  
"We know, but it's not in our part of the project, it's part of the  
Webkit project, file the bug with them."


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Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[Dan]

At 2:47 PM -0700 4/9/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote:
Dan would get the same response if he complained about a memory leak 
in Apache, or something messed up in gcc.


So if Toyota bought those gas pedals from GM, people should 
simply be referred to GM - the fact that their Toyota car crashed 
isn't Toyota's responsibility?


heh.

No.

WebKit is a product used by Safari.  End-user reports the Safari 
problem.  Investigator determines exactly where the bug be, then 
either fixes it or reports the bug to the people responsible for 
fixing it.  You don't go back to the end-user and tell 'em to screw 
off.  That's nothing in the world but creative finger pointing.


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RE: graphics card for Quicksilver 2002

[Stewie de Young]

> 
> OK then. Are you ready to buy it?
> 
> On 4/9/10, Frank J. R. Hanstick  wrote:
> > Hello,
> > The Quicksilver has a 340 Watt power supply.
> >
> > On Apr 8, 2010, at 10:09 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
> >
> >> lol I happen to have a good video card. I can let it go for $50.
> >>
> >> Company: Nvidia
> >> Model: GeForce 6800GT
> >> Model series: GeForce 6
> >> Slot: AGP 4x-8x
> >> VRAM: 256MB DDR2
> >> MFG. DATE: November 2004
> >> BFG technologies
> >> it has dual fans with a metal plate on the front of it.
> >>
> >> the video card requires a power supply box of at least 240w. It
> >> requires a power plug like the ones used on cd/dvd drives and hard
> >> drives.
> >>

Yes but Mark, is this a Mac card ready to drop straight in to a Mac G4 or is it 
a PC card that needs flashing  first ?

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Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[Peter]

I think the difficulty here is that different parts of the software package 
fall under different license agreements. Webkit is open source, I believe. 
Safari is under Apple license 

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Re: graphics card for Quicksilver 2002

[Frank J. R. Hanstick]

Hello,
	Actually no.  I have a PCI Radeon 9200 and a AGP Radeon 9800 Pro  
already installed to run three displays.
	The information was just to inform on a Quicksilver power supply for  
anyone interested.


On Apr 9, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:


OK then. Are you ready to buy it?

On 4/9/10, Frank J. R. Hanstick  wrote:

Hello,
The Quicksilver has a 340 Watt power supply.

On Apr 8, 2010, at 10:09 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:


lol I happen to have a good video card. I can let it go for $50.

Company: Nvidia
Model: GeForce 6800GT
Model series: GeForce 6
Slot: AGP 4x-8x
VRAM: 256MB DDR2
MFG. DATE: November 2004
BFG technologies
it has dual fans with a metal plate on the front of it.

the video card requires a power supply box of at least 240w. It
requires a power plug like the ones used on cd/dvd drives and hard
drives.

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Re: [Bulk] Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[iJohn]

My personal take on Dan's post is why can't the SAFARI folks at Apple
investigate the problem, verify the source, and, if appropriate, open
up a problem with WebKit. Was some law passed while I was napping
which prevents development organizations from trying to get bugs fixed
in critical external components their project depends on?

I can maybe see why they'd rather someone else did their grunt work.
But if their work depends on a component then I'd expect them to be
pushing hard(er) to see that whatever is broken gets fixed. Who in
particular is going to be doing the fixing feels more like a
sub-issue.

I'm just saying ...

Oh, well.

-irrational john

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Re: [Bulk] Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[Peter]

Or you just go to:
 http://webkit.org/quality/reporting.html

and report the Bug yourself. ;-)

Peter M.

Sent from my BlackBerry®

-Original Message-
From: iJohn 
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 19:08:43 
To: 
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

My personal take on Dan's post is why can't the SAFARI folks at Apple
investigate the problem, verify the source, and, if appropriate, open
up a problem with WebKit. Was some law passed while I was napping
which prevents development organizations from trying to get bugs fixed
in critical external components their project depends on?

I can maybe see why they'd rather someone else did their grunt work.
But if their work depends on a component then I'd expect them to be
pushing hard(er) to see that whatever is broken gets fixed. Who in
particular is going to be doing the fixing feels more like a
sub-issue.

I'm just saying ...

Oh, well.

-irrational john

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Re: Safari taking a long time to load web page after restart.

[Gus]

Safari started acting up again.. I trashed the prefs and reset the
homepage..  Still sitting there without loading.  Any good lightweight
RELIABLE web browsers out there?

I tried firefox, it seems to have a big problem keeping its links in
order.  I drag a bookmark and next time i visit it it has changed its
web address..  really weird stuff.

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Re: graphics card for Quicksilver 2002

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 9, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Frank J. R. Hanstick wrote:

I have a PCI Radeon 9200 and a AGP Radeon 9800 Pro already installed  
to run three displays.


You might want to check whether Quartz Extreme is working using Quartz  
Extreme Check 1.2. Normally no PCI cards are enabled for Quartz  
Extreme unless you use PCI Extreme 3.1 available at MacUpdate. I  
believe that when a PCI card is used in conjunction with an AGP card,  
the mere presence of a PCI card kills off Quartz Extreme for the AGP  
card also. This means your two fancy cards are most likely operating  
with ZERO acceleration for both Quartz Extreme and Core Image (for the  
9800 Pro). It might be better to only use two displays with the AGP  
card only, or enable Quartz Extreme for the PCI card using PCI Extreme  
(if you're using Tiger 10.4.11, PCI Extreme doesn't work with Leopard).


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Re: Performance Evaluation

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 9, 2010, at 3:54 PM, M Christol wrote:


Is there a site that lays these machines out side by side ?


You can look at the XBench archives or the GeekBench archives.

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Re: [Bulk] Re: Safari 4.0.5 memory leak?

[Dan]

At 7:08 PM -0400 4/9/2010, iJohn wrote:
My personal take on Dan's post is why can't the SAFARI folks at 
Apple investigate the problem, verify the source, and, if 
appropriate, open up a problem with WebKit.


*nod*

Was some law passed while I was napping which prevents development 
organizations from trying to get bugs fixed in critical external 
components their project depends on?


Yes, I think so.

Scenario 1: The mook replying to my customer report is just a desk 
meat whoze performance is rated on the number of tickets it closes 
per second.  Ok, maybe per day.  Following thru leaves an easy close 
off his books.


Scenario 2: The mook replying was an actual developer.  Since his 
ability to interact with end users is simply not part of his job 
performance evaluation, he doesn't give a rats a** and so is quite 
happy to just pass the buck to some other mook.  Besides the pizza 
was getting cold.  Oh, and he got credit for closing the ticket.



At 11:23 PM + 4/9/2010, Peter wrote:

Or you just go to:
 http://webkit.org/quality/reporting.html

and report the Bug yourself. ;-)

Peter M.


So...  You feel that END USER / CUSTOMERS should file bug reports 
with the original developer AND every component developer?  Is that 
your point?


You gots a Seagate hard drive sitting on your desk.  Do you contact 
Seagate for a replacement, or do you spend hours buzzing out the 
circuit board to determine which part died, then contact that 
particular part's supplier?   Or better yet...  How would you feel if 
Seagate accepted the busted HD then returned it after A MONTH and 
told you to contact some 3rd party, because it was their part that 
blew on Seagate's board?


- Dan.
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Re: Ext 500 Gb USB Drive Issues on 450 MHz G4

[Jonas Lopez]

--- On Thu, 4/8/10, Mark Sokolovsky  wrote:
From: Mark Sokolovsky 
Subject: Re: Ext 500 Gb USB Drive Issues on 450 MHz G4
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 10:18 PM
I have successfully booted OS 9 from a USB flash drive before, but here is why 
i was able to. External USB drives (not flash drives) use their own power 
supply, and require an OS to be used or seen. Flash drives work as if they were 
internal drives, but slower. I did install OS 9 to USB, it worked. I did try 
tiger through on an 8GB flash drive. It worked, but it was SLOW when it came to 
retrieving system files. Other than that, it works for me.

I too have used a USB flash drive to start up - works fine.
BUT as you pointed out, a USB XHD will not start up.
NOW, is there any USB XHD that does NOT have their own power supply and so can 
start up?
JML


  

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Re: Ext 500 Gb USB Drive Issues on 450 MHz G4

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote:


BUT as you pointed out, a USB XHD will not start up.
NOW, is there any USB XHD that does NOT have their own power supply  
and so can start up?


These external USB HDs WILL boot. You must attach the HD prior to  
booting and have it fully powered up prior to starting the Mac. Hold  
the Option key at startup to select the USB drive. You can also select  
the USB drive from Apple Startup Disk if you're booted in OS 9, but  
this WILL NOT work with Startup Disk in OS X. Using the Option key is  
the best idea.


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Re: Ext 500 Gb USB Drive Issues on 450 MHz G4

[Mark Sokolovsky]

That can work, depending on what external HDD you bought. You see, i
have a western digital "digital book" 500GB HDD extrnal that plugs in
through firewire, but it will not be seen from my Mac at startup,
because I haven't read on the box that it sad "Requires Mac OS X
10.3.9 or later odr for windows, Windows XP SP2 or later. My system
boots from a flahs drive quickly, silently, and efficiently.

On 4/9/10, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote:
>
>> BUT as you pointed out, a USB XHD will not start up.
>> NOW, is there any USB XHD that does NOT have their own power supply
>> and so can start up?
>
> These external USB HDs WILL boot. You must attach the HD prior to
> booting and have it fully powered up prior to starting the Mac. Hold
> the Option key at startup to select the USB drive. You can also select
> the USB drive from Apple Startup Disk if you're booted in OS 9, but
> this WILL NOT work with Startup Disk in OS X. Using the Option key is
> the best idea.
>
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Re: G4 Quicksilver question

[Mark Sokolovsky]

never mind. i am no longer posting buying/selling posts. omg i forgot
that rule sorry guys.

o_0

On 4/9/10, Mark Sokolovsky  wrote:
> Wait, how about this. I have a SCSI controller card Ultra66. It is
> completely compatible with macs, and it goes into the PCI slot. It
> basically had 2 EIDE plugs on it, and it breaks that 128GB limit. I
> have used it before, i flashed it after i pulled it out of a Windows
> NT 4 server. It works nicely.I can let it go for $40 US.
>
> On 4/9/10, Sri Gupta  wrote:
>> Note that the QS won't support a G4 pulled from a MDD system, you need
>> to look for a G4 pulled specifically from a QS or earlier (or an
>> upgrade card, but for the most part I find them overpriced; you can
>> buy a 1.6ghz G4 upgrade card for $199, or a dual G4 1.25 ghz MDD off
>> ebay for $209...)
>>
>> Check the lemswap group, that's been my best source for cheap
>> upgrades.
>>
>> -sri
>>
>> On Apr 8, 10:02 pm, "Keith Proctor"  wrote:
>>> You correct Clark. It is an early Quicksilver and not a DA. I tried a
>>> 250
>>> gig HD but it only saw 128 gig of it. Hated to waste all that drive
>>> space
>>> so
>>> I just used a smaller drive on hand. I will look for a dual processor
>>> now
>>> and beef this machine up a bit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Clark Martin" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 6:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: G4 Quicksilver question
>>>
>>> > On 4/8/10 10:28 AM, Keith Proctor wrote:
>>> >> I just revived a dead Quicksilver and returned it to service. Had to
>>> >> replace a logic board. It is currently running OS 10.3.9.
>>> >> This is my first attempt at reviving a dead Mac so bare with my
>>> >> ignorance here. Done many PCs before, but this is the first Mac I
>>> >> worked
>>> >> with in this state.
>>> >> Machine is running beautifully with a 40 gig HD and 1.5 gig of RAM.
>>> >> Very
>>> >> stable and surprisingly fast for its age.
>>> >> Question is, just how far can I take this upgrade wise?
>>> >> I like how this thing runs and would love to put my Adobe CS software
>>> >> on
>>> >> it.
>>> >> As it sits now it is configured with:
>>> >> 800mhz processor
>>> >> 1.5 gig Ram
>>> >> 40 gig HD
>>> >> DVD Read/Write
>>> >> This is the model they call the Digital Audio version with the audio
>>> >> connections near the top section of the back panel.
>>> >> Any advice welcome!
>>> >> Keith
>>>
>>> > QuickSilver and Digital Audio are two distinct models of Power Mac G4.
>>> > QuickSilver have a light gray (silver) front panel.  The DA has a dark
>>> > front panel, same as the Yikes, Sawtooth and Gigabit Ethernet.
>>>
>>> > If it is a QuickSilver you can upgrade the processor to a dual, at
>>> > least
>>> > 1GHz.  The memory maxed out already.  A video card upgrade is a
>>> > possiblity.  If this is a QS 2002 then you could put in a PATA
>>> > harddrive
>>> > as big as you can.  The earlier QS was limited to 128Gb.
>>
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