Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
On Oct 16, 8:36 pm, Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait. If you have the Arrangement tab, and you arrange the two Desktops, then if you can drag the cursor from one Desktop to the other, you've got spanning enabled. Normally you'd only get mirroring, meaning both monitors are identical, external mirrors the onboard LCD. It sounds like you have a hybrid, you've got spanning, but somehow the resolution of the two Desktops are mirrored instead of independent as they should be. As is always too frequently, this is a constant revelation of my ignorance and inability to follow directions. Thanks to your prompting Kris I finally figured out how to drag the menu bar from one screen to the other. That did it. Then the Dock disappeared but eventually I found it simply had to be magnified more. So as always, I appreciate the patient persistence of my friends on this list. thank you Cliff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
On Oct 16, 2008, at 9:41 PM, RediG3-5 wrote: It must not be. I do see the 1680x1050 option but as mentioned it gives me an iBook sized desk top in the middle of the Display. I also see the Arrangement tab in the the Display Preferences. The Patch Read this indicates this is evidence of the patch installation. Wait. If you have the Arrangement tab, and you arrange the two Desktops, then if you can drag the cursor from one Desktop to the other, you've got spanning enabled. Normally you'd only get mirroring, meaning both monitors are identical, external mirrors the onboard LCD. It sounds like you have a hybrid, you've got spanning, but somehow the resolution of the two Desktops are mirrored instead of independent as they should be. One idea that possibly could help. If you've only used Software Update to update this iBook, you may have only been offered delta updates that are trimmed down of unnecessary software, such as graphics stuff that a mirroring only LCD laptop could never use. The normal Combo update might have extra software to enable the 1680x1050 resolution to work correctly? If you've got a little extra HD space, perhaps reinstall the Combo update and see what happens? I think maybe this iBook isn't compatible. I thought we looked and it was on the supported list? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
On Oct 12, 2008, at 12:46 PM, RediG3-5 wrote: It measure 12 h x 19 w and diagonal 23. My wife likes it as it's a big improvement over here iBook screen. But those proportions seem like they are made for HD TV. The images are elongated and I can't figure how to set it for correction. My 17 Dell (10.5 x 13) is more normal and I like it a lot. Anyway, comments on this proportion matter might be enlightening Yes, it's 16x9 panel, not a 3x4 like your Dell. The native resolution is 1680 x 1050 I guess you missed my other post about this. Go here http://www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_e.html and install that patch, and you should be able to select the correct resolution for the external monitor, as well as use it for an extended desktop, not just a mirrored one. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
On Oct 12, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Tom wrote: Still researching big monitors. What about LED backlighting vs. fluorescent? Fluorescent can and will change with time and eventually burn out. LED should stay constant and last almost forever. I saw a recent review that said something like 20% of all laptop LCD will be LED backlit this year, and they anticipate that will go to over 80% in the next two years, and fluorescent will be extinct soon after. It's another consideration. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
On Oct 12, 2:37 pm, James E. Therrault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There should be no change of aspect ratio of items on ths screen. If you're seeing things stretched, something is wrong with settings. Like I said, my Samsung played right out of the box at 1680x1050. Make sure that your settings reflect the 16:9 format. I apologize for running a separate internal thread here since this in not entirely applicable to Tom's situations. However, as Tom points out the selection of monitors entails so many variables. We wanted an external monitor for a iBookG4 and as it turns out the aspect ratio seems incompatible. James, the only options I get are in System Preferences (OS 10.4.11) 1024x768 640x480 and 800 x600 The AOC shows the 1024x768. If my math is right, none of these options are 16:9 . I wonder if there is a software hack remedy for this? thanks and I'm very interested in your final choice Tom cliff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
RediG3-5 wrote: On Oct 12, 2:37 pm, James E. Therrault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There should be no change of aspect ratio of items on ths screen. If you're seeing things stretched, something is wrong with settings. Like I said, my Samsung played right out of the box at 1680x1050. Make sure that your settings reflect the 16:9 format. I apologize for running a separate internal thread here since this in not entirely applicable to Tom's situations. However, as Tom points out the selection of monitors entails so many variables. We wanted an external monitor for a iBookG4 and as it turns out the aspect ratio seems incompatible. James, the only options I get are in System Preferences (OS 10.4.11) 1024x768 640x480 and 800 x600 The AOC shows the 1024x768. If my math is right, none of these options are 16:9 . I wonder if there is a software hack remedy for this? thanks and I'm very interested in your final choice Tom cliff I was using my Gigabit G4 as a reference and as far as an iBook is concerned, I would not be at all surprised that such options were not available. I'm going to fire up my 15 Powerbook G4 which I feel will support 16:9 since it is already sorta wide screen. BTW, I never saw these resolutions as being available on the Gigabit prior to installing the Samsung but I guess that the auto seansor just picked up on this. I'll report back later this evening. JT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
On Oct 13, 2008, at 10:44 AM, RediG3-5 wrote: James, the only options I get are in System Preferences (OS 10.4.11) 1024x768 640x480 and 800 x600 The AOC shows the 1024x768. If my math is right, none of these options are 16:9 . I wonder if there is a software hack remedy for this? Yes, there is a software hack for the G4 iBook. It's called Screen Spanning Doctor. Currently your G4 iBook only supports mirroring of an external monitor and since the iBook has a 4:3 screen you're only offered 4:3 options. With spanning enabled, you'll get the external monitor spanned as an extended Desktop and should be offered the appropriate resolutions available for it. Here's a link: http://www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_e.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
On Oct 12, 2008, at 1:07 AM, Tom wrote: I just bought a G5 2.0 dual core off Ebay, and the 23 Apple Cinema Display that I've been using with my G4 Quicksilver won't connect to it, because the monitor has an ADC connector, and the G5 has only DVI ports (I know Apple has a converter cable, but they want $100 for it). I have a Quicksilver (with an ATI Radeon 9800Pro) ... if you're giving away that Cinema ... I have room for it in my studio ... Oh ... you might consider getting another video card with correct connectors for the Cinema ... As much as I hate giving up a freebee ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
I have a Quicksilver (with an ATI Radeon 9800Pro) ... if you're giving away that Cinema ... I have room for it in my studio ... Oh ... you might consider getting another video card with correct connectors for the Cinema ... As much as I hate giving up a freebee ... Bill Connelly artsite:http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace:http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio Well, as much as I'd like to move everything into the new G5 and set the G4 out to pasture, I'm dragging along so much old hardware baggage from the past, like that ADC Cinema Display, that the G4 will have to go into a sort of active retirement to continue running some of it. The G5 just can't take it all on. For example, I was naive enough to think that I could just buy a PCIx SCSI card for the G5 and keep running my high-end Minolta Dimage film scanner with it (scans both medium format and 35mm), but no such luck. SCSI has apparently been practically discarded from desktop computing. I take a look at OWC and find out that SCSI cards for G5s are in the $400 range, rare and exotic beasts with prices to match. So, instead of being discarded, the old Quicksilver will probably have to be set off in a corner somewhere hooked up to this 24 Cinema Display and running the Minolta film scanner, plus an old Relysis SCSI flatbed scanner with a glass bed big enough to scan maps and things, and who knows what else around here that the G5 can't run. The scans from the G4 will have to be brought over to the G5 in a flash drive or something. (Sigh.) Just can't afford to upgrade everything all at once. Still looking for an affordable non-Apple 22-24 LCD monitor for the G5 that is comparable in visual quality to a Cinema Display. If no such thing exists, I'll just have to buy that $100 Apple adapter to make the old ADC Cinema Display work with the G5. Then the G4 will get one of the old CRT monitors still sitting around here to use with the scanners etc. Upgrading computers is such a hassle. . . Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
The two 22 LCDs I've worked with the most are the two that I'd recommend: Samsung SyncMaster 226bw ViewSonic VX2245wm My favorite LCD vendors are Samsung and ViewSonic. I highly recommend both of them. On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a Quicksilver (with an ATI Radeon 9800Pro) ... if you're giving away that Cinema ... I have room for it in my studio ... Oh ... you might consider getting another video card with correct connectors for the Cinema ... As much as I hate giving up a freebee ... Bill Connelly artsite:http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace:http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio Well, as much as I'd like to move everything into the new G5 and set the G4 out to pasture, I'm dragging along so much old hardware baggage from the past, like that ADC Cinema Display, that the G4 will have to go into a sort of active retirement to continue running some of it. The G5 just can't take it all on. For example, I was naive enough to think that I could just buy a PCIx SCSI card for the G5 and keep running my high-end Minolta Dimage film scanner with it (scans both medium format and 35mm), but no such luck. SCSI has apparently been practically discarded from desktop computing. I take a look at OWC and find out that SCSI cards for G5s are in the $400 range, rare and exotic beasts with prices to match. So, instead of being discarded, the old Quicksilver will probably have to be set off in a corner somewhere hooked up to this 24 Cinema Display and running the Minolta film scanner, plus an old Relysis SCSI flatbed scanner with a glass bed big enough to scan maps and things, and who knows what else around here that the G5 can't run. The scans from the G4 will have to be brought over to the G5 in a flash drive or something. (Sigh.) Just can't afford to upgrade everything all at once. Still looking for an affordable non-Apple 22-24 LCD monitor for the G5 that is comparable in visual quality to a Cinema Display. If no such thing exists, I'll just have to buy that $100 Apple adapter to make the old ADC Cinema Display work with the G5. Then the G4 will get one of the old CRT monitors still sitting around here to use with the scanners etc. Upgrading computers is such a hassle. . . Tom -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we're all damaged. - Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Nashville, Tennessee USA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
Here's a helpful site that discuss the differences between monitors: http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php So, I'll ask for advice from users of different monitors here. What brand offers a good LCD in the 22-24 size with a crisp, sharp picture, good viewing angles, fast response time etc. that would be comparable to an Apple Cinema Display, and be just as good for video editing in Final Cut and digital photo work in Photoshop? Any recommendations, caveats, or comments would be appreciated. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
On Oct 12, 12:11 pm, Robert MacLeay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a helpful site that discuss the differences between monitors:http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php Thanks Robert! I'll check that site out. He's got information there about monitor brands I never even heard of, like DoubleSight, Hazro, and LG. He says that the best picture quality comes from LCDs manufactured with an IPS based panel. Now I have to learn what IPS is. . . Thanks again, Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
Both of those displays look like great deals, and I'd suggest the T220. Both are similar to the ones I've worked with. On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 12, 12:05 pm, Alex Smith (K4RNT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The two 22 LCDs I've worked with the most are the two that I'd recommend: Samsung SyncMaster 226bw ViewSonic VX2245wm My favorite LCD vendors are Samsung and ViewSonic. I highly recommend both of them. Thanks for the recommendation Alex. Costco has this Samsung http:// tinyurl.com/4p5o47 for $229 and this one http://tinyurl.com/4b9wve for $259. They appear nearly identical. Which one is most like the one you've had good experience with? Then there's this even bigger 25.5 Samsung http://tinyurl.com/4seaol for $479, 2 inches larger than the others (for about $100 per additional inch!). Any knowledge of that one? Good grief, look at all the big monitors available at just this one store, Costco: http://tinyurl.com/4dccn5, and that's just one page of several! Surely there's something among all these that is comparable in visual quality to an Apple Cinema Display? Anyway, thanks again for the advice. I'll look first at the Samsungs, then. The advantage with a place like Costco is, if you buy one and then decide it isn't up to snuff, you can take it back. Tom -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we're all damaged. - Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Nashville, Tennessee USA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
On Oct 12, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Tom wrote:. So, instead of being discarded, the old Quicksilver will probably have to be set off in a corner somewhere hooked up to this 24 Cinema Display and running the Minolta film scanner, plus an old Relysis SCSI flatbed scanner with a glass bed big enough to scan maps and things, and who knows what else around here that the G5 can't run. The scans from the G4 will have to be brought over to the G5 in a flash drive or something. (Sigh.) Just can't afford to upgrade everything all at once. I have all my Macs connected via a Westell 327W router and DSL connection. That way, I can transfer data between them as well as access the net. One has all my SCSI externals as well as my USB 2 scanner. Sounds similar ... along with a Compaq Presario CRT. The others have Sony flatscreen CRTs. No help with the LCD ones, except my partner likes his NEC 17. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
I have all my Macs connected via a Westell 327W router and DSL connection. That way, I can transfer data between them as well as access the net. One has all my SCSI externals as well as my USB 2 scanner. Sounds similar ... along with a Compaq Presario CRT. The others have Sony flatscreen CRTs. No help with the LCD ones, except my partner likes his NEC 17. Bill Connelly artsite:http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace:http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio Yes, a router may be the route (pun intended) to go with moving information between Macs, but I know nothing about routers, yet. As far as DSL, that's how I'm connected to the Internet, I know that. I'll have to look into routers, then, and thanks for the suggestion. Costco has this Dell 22 LCD for $300 http://tinyurl.com/3h7axx that I'll also check into, since your partner likes his. BTW I have an art studio too, at http://tinyurl.com/3do92l, and YouTube art videos such as http://tinyurl.com/6e698m. Thanks for the router and monitor advice! Tom Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
On Oct 12, 12:05 pm, Alex Smith (K4RNT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The two 22 LCDs I've worked with the most are the two that I'd recommend: Samsung SyncMaster 226bw ViewSonic VX2245wm My favorite LCD vendors are Samsung and ViewSonic. I highly recommend both. Good grief, look at this huge ViewSonic: http://tinyurl.com/542k5y for $550. That's a little more than I wanted to spend, though, and it appears not to have a DVI connector (I don't know what HDMI with HDCP is, but it doesn't have the letters DVI in it). Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
Tom wrote: I have a Quicksilver (with an ATI Radeon 9800Pro) ... if you're giving away that Cinema ... I have room for it in my studio ... Oh ... you might consider getting another video card with correct connectors for the Cinema ... As much as I hate giving up a freebee ... Bill Connelly artsite:http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace:http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio Well, as much as I'd like to move everything into the new G5 and set the G4 out to pasture, I'm dragging along so much old hardware baggage from the past, like that ADC Cinema Display, that the G4 will have to go into a sort of active retirement to continue running some of it. The G5 just can't take it all on. For example, I was naive enough to think that I could just buy a PCIx SCSI card for the G5 and keep running my high-end Minolta Dimage film scanner with it (scans both medium format and 35mm), but no such luck. SCSI has apparently been practically discarded from desktop computing. I take a look at OWC and find out that SCSI cards for G5s are in the $400 range, rare and exotic beasts with prices to match. So, instead of being discarded, the old Quicksilver will probably have to be set off in a corner somewhere hooked up to this 24 Cinema Display and running the Minolta film scanner, plus an old Relysis SCSI flatbed scanner with a glass bed big enough to scan maps and things, and who knows what else around here that the G5 can't run. The scans from the G4 will have to be brought over to the G5 in a flash drive or something. (Sigh.) Just can't afford to upgrade everything all at once. Still looking for an affordable non-Apple 22-24 LCD monitor for the G5 that is comparable in visual quality to a Cinema Display. If no such thing exists, I'll just have to buy that $100 Apple adapter to make the old ADC Cinema Display work with the G5. Then the G4 will get one of the old CRT monitors still sitting around here to use with the scanners etc. Upgrading computers is such a hassle. . . Tom I bought a Samsung 22 a little over two years ago and have been very satisfied. It came with all the cables/connectors for most applications. Best of all, it was plug and play period. And this was for an ancient Gigabit G4 that I bought new in early 2001. No reason to pay high Apple prices. JT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
Tom wrote: On Oct 12, 12:05 pm, Alex Smith (K4RNT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The two 22 LCDs I've worked with the most are the two that I'd recommend: Samsung SyncMaster 226bw ViewSonic VX2245wm My favorite LCD vendors are Samsung and ViewSonic. I highly recommend both. Good grief, look at this huge ViewSonic: http://tinyurl.com/542k5y for $550. That's a little more than I wanted to spend, though, and it appears not to have a DVI connector (I don't know what HDMI with HDCP is, but it doesn't have the letters DVI in it). Tom My Samsung SyncMaster 225 cost about $375 over two years ago from Newegg. The successors which are better cost at least $100 less these days. Besides, if you ever put a Viewsonic next to a Samsung, there's no comparison. Doesn't Samsung still make most of Apple's monitors? Didn't Apple sink $100 million into Samsung awhile back? Just my half cents worth... JT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
On Oct 12, 2008, at 3:46 PM, RediG3-5 wrote: On Oct 12, 12:12 pm, James E. Therrault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom wrote: On Oct 12, 12:05 pm, Alex Smith (K4RNT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The two 22 LCDs I've worked with the most are the two that I'd recommend: Samsung SyncMaster 226bw ViewSonic VX2245wm My favorite LCD vendors are Samsung and ViewSonic. I highly recommend both. We just purchased a NOC (I guess that's an N) 2219S-1 from Circuit City. It measure 12 h x 19 w and diagonal 23. My wife likes it as it's a big improvement over here iBook screen. But those proportions seem like they are made for HD TV. The images are elongated and I can't figure how to set it for correction. My 17 Dell (10.5 x 13) is more normal and I like it a lot. Anyway, comments on this proportion matter might be enlightening and it's something to consider. Cliff Not nitpicking Cliff, but I think that might be AOC. I could be wrong though. Just a message from Doug... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
On Oct 12, 12:12 pm, James E. Therrault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom wrote: On Oct 12, 12:05 pm, Alex Smith (K4RNT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The two 22 LCDs I've worked with the most are the two that I'd recommend: Samsung SyncMaster 226bw ViewSonic VX2245wm My favorite LCD vendors are Samsung and ViewSonic. I highly recommend both. We just purchased a NOC (I guess that's an N) 2219S-1 from Circuit City. It measure 12 h x 19 w and diagonal 23. My wife likes it as it's a big improvement over here iBook screen. But those proportions seem like they are made for HD TV. The images are elongated and I can't figure how to set it for correction. My 17 Dell (10.5 x 13) is more normal and I like it a lot. Anyway, comments on this proportion matter might be enlightening and it's something to consider. Cliff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
My Samsung SyncMaster 225 cost about $375 over two years ago from Newegg. The successors which are better cost at least $100 less these days. Besides, if you ever put a Viewsonic next to a Samsung, there's no comparison. Doesn't Samsung still make most of Apple's monitors? Didn't Apple sink $100 million into Samsung awhile back? Just my half cents worth... JT Thanks JT. The votes seem to be piling up for Samsung. I'll try that brand first. I think both Sam's Club and Costco have them. Does Samsung really make the Apple monitors, does anyone know? Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
My 17 Dell (10.5 x 13) is more normal and I like it a lot .. . . Cliff Thanks for the info Cliff. Several big Dells are available too, but I'll try Samsung first, since the consensus seems to be that they are excellent monitors. I did read some complaints that the viewing angles of the Samsungs are pretty narrow, though, meaning (I guess) that you need to look at them straight-on, and not slightly to one side, or the image is degraded, although if you sit right in front of your monitor I don't see why that should be a big problem. Video editing (Final Cut) may require a fast response time to avoid ghosting of moving images, I understand, so if it's a toss-up between two monitors, the fastest response time may break the tie. And of course Photoshop work on digital photos and things requires good accurate color. So many variables. . . Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
RediG3-5 wrote: On Oct 12, 12:12 pm, James E. Therrault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom wrote: On Oct 12, 12:05 pm, Alex Smith (K4RNT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The two 22 LCDs I've worked with the most are the two that I'd recommend: Samsung SyncMaster 226bw ViewSonic VX2245wm My favorite LCD vendors are Samsung and ViewSonic. I highly recommend both. We just purchased a NOC (I guess that's an N) 2219S-1 from Circuit City. It measure 12 h x 19 w and diagonal 23. My wife likes it as it's a big improvement over here iBook screen. But those proportions seem like they are made for HD TV. The images are elongated and I can't figure how to set it for correction. My 17 Dell (10.5 x 13) is more normal and I like it a lot. Anyway, comments on this proportion matter might be enlightening and it's something to consider. Cliff There should be no change of aspect ratio of items on ths screen. And yes, all new displays are 16:9 which very closely equals the 185 format of theatrical release motion pictures. If you're seeing things stretched, something is wrong with settings. Like I said, my Samsung played right out of the box at 1680x1050. Make sure that your settings reflect the 16:9 format. JT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
Tom wrote: My 17 Dell (10.5 x 13) is more normal and I like it a lot .. . . Cliff Thanks for the info Cliff. Several big Dells are available too, but I'll try Samsung first, since the consensus seems to be that they are excellent monitors. I did read some complaints that the viewing angles of the Samsungs are pretty narrow, though, meaning (I guess) that you need to look at them straight-on, and not slightly to one side, or the image is degraded, although if you sit right in front of your monitor I don't see why that should be a big problem. Video editing (Final Cut) may require a fast response time to avoid ghosting of moving images, I understand, so if it's a toss-up between two monitors, the fastest response time may break the tie. And of course Photoshop work on digital photos and things requires good accurate color. So many variables. . . Tom My monitor gives good results when viewing head on or up to 40° from either side. OTOH, viewing gets much more critical when looking down, (such as standing up), which is a typical property of backlit screens. In the future, LED monitors promise to end that but their cost is prohibitive at this time... JT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
Still researching big monitors. I'll be doing Photoshop and Final Cut work, and it appears that not everybody is happy with the T-series Samsungs for such purposes. It appears that the T stands for twisted nematic (TN) LCD, and these are considered by many to be lower quality and for non-critical color work such as gaming, since they are impossible to calibrate and the colors are said to shift with slight changes in viewing angle. Mind you, this is just what I'm reading, I don't have any personal experience with any other LCD display than my old Apple Cinema Display. Whether or not these reported color problems would be noticeable to me, I don't know yet. But reviews like this one on Amazon on the T-series Samsungs are a little worrisome for somebody wanting to to precision Photoshop and Final Cut work: http://tinyurl.com/4xozwn. I think I need to get out and really look at some of these Samsungs, or bring one home and try it out. Many Mac users appear to be really happy with them. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
If color accuracy is *that* important to you, and price is an issue, look on eBay for Eizo LCDs. Eizo makes displays for professional users, like medical imaging and such. They manufacture their LCDs with color accuracy and precision being the premiums. http://www.eizo.com/ If price isn't an issue, look at the ViewSonic Graphic series: http://www.viewsonic.com/products/lcddisplays/ On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still researching big monitors. I'll be doing Photoshop and Final Cut work, and it appears that not everybody is happy with the T-series Samsungs for such purposes. It appears that the T stands for twisted nematic (TN) LCD, and these are considered by many to be lower quality and for non-critical color work such as gaming, since they are impossible to calibrate and the colors are said to shift with slight changes in viewing angle. Mind you, this is just what I'm reading, I don't have any personal experience with any other LCD display than my old Apple Cinema Display. Whether or not these reported color problems would be noticeable to me, I don't know yet. But reviews like this one on Amazon on the T-series Samsungs are a little worrisome for somebody wanting to to precision Photoshop and Final Cut work: http://tinyurl.com/4xozwn. I think I need to get out and really look at some of these Samsungs, or bring one home and try it out. Many Mac users appear to be really happy with them. -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we're all damaged. - Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Nashville, Tennessee USA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Need big LCD monitor recommendation for G5
I just bought a G5 2.0 dual core off Ebay, and the 23 Apple Cinema Display that I've been using with my G4 Quicksilver won't connect to it, because the monitor has an ADC connector, and the G5 has only DVI ports (I know Apple has a converter cable, but they want $100 for it). That big 23 screen spoiled me, so I'm looking for something comparable in size and sharpness to use with the G5. Apple wants $900 for a new 23 monitor! (and look at all the complaints from buyers: http://tinyurl.com/3ewefn). There are plenty of big used Apple Cinema Displays with DVI connectors on eBay, of course, but a good monitor picture is such a subjective thing, and there are so many potential problems with used displays (pink screen, dead pixels, scratches, age, etc.) that I hesitate to buy used. On the other hand, you can buy two or more brand new non-Apple monitors for the price of one Apple Cinema Display, yet the number of brands and models at such places as Costco and Sam's is bewildering: Samsung, Acer, ViewSonic, HP, Dell, and many others, and it appears that quality varies widely. So, I'll ask for advice from users of different monitors here. What brand offers a good LCD in the 22-24 size with a crisp, sharp picture, good viewing angles, fast response time etc. that would be comparable to an Apple Cinema Display, and be just as good for video editing in Final Cut and digital photo work in Photoshop? Any recommendations, caveats, or comments would be appreciated. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
