Re: File Recovery

2010-06-25 Thread Cliff Rediger



  On Apr 29, 8:42 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:

   In my experience, Data Rescue is very thorough, and ALWAYS finds old  
   files unless the HD has be reformatted or zeroed.

I took the drive to a friend who ran some other recovery software
and then DR.

files were recovered but apparently no large files such as video
projects.
He speculated that they were fragmented beyond recognition.

So, as you say Kris, lesson learned and I'm simplifying my back up
options and procedures.

Thank you
Cliff

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Re: file recovery?

2010-05-23 Thread Bruce Johnson

On May 23, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

 I just accidentally erased a partition that I shouldn't have. with disk 
 utility (not zeroed) I haven't put anything there yet. Just did it in the 
 last 5 mins.
 I have disk warrior... and techtool pro 5 any way of getting these files 
 back? Jeff

Erased or re-partitioned? Erased is a lot easier to recover from. 

I would go straight to Data Rescue http://www.prosofteng.com/ or a commercial 
recovery service. 

nag mode/Of course it would be easiest to just restore your data from a 
recent backup, right?/nag


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Re: file recovery?

2010-05-23 Thread JOHN CARMONNE


On May 23, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

I just accidentally erased a partition that I shouldn't have.  
with disk utility (not zeroed) I haven't put anything there yet.  
Just did it in the last 5 mins.
I have disk warrior... and techtool pro 5 any way of getting  
these files back? Jeff



Jeff Engle
Kamiah, Idaho 83536




Data Rescue 3 will do it. Diskwarrior may make your problem worse.
JOHN CARMONNE
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Re: file recovery?

2010-05-23 Thread Jeffrey Engle

erased not re-partitioned.
On May 23, 2010, at 8:50 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On May 23, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

I just accidentally erased a partition that I shouldn't have.  
with disk utility (not zeroed) I haven't put anything there yet.  
Just did it in the last 5 mins.
I have disk warrior... and techtool pro 5 any way of getting  
these files back? Jeff


Erased or re-partitioned? Erased is a lot easier to recover from.

I would go straight to Data Rescue http://www.prosofteng.com/ or a  
commercial recovery service.


nag mode/Of course it would be easiest to just restore your data  
from a recent backup, right?/nag



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Re: file recovery?

2010-05-23 Thread Bruce Johnson


On May 23, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:


erased not re-partitioned.




Try the data rescue demo, see if it works, if not, decide if it's  
worth the several hundred to thousands it'll cost to recover  
commercially.

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Re: file recovery?

2010-05-23 Thread Jeffrey Engle


On May 23, 2010, at 6:06 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On May 23, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Jeffrey Engle wrote:


erased not re-partitioned.




Try the data rescue demo, see if it works, if not, decide if it's  
worth the several hundred to thousands it'll cost to recover  
commercially.



Bruce, tried the Data rescue 3, worked like a charm:-) Jeff

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Re: file recovery?

2010-05-23 Thread Dan

At 8:05 PM -0700 5/23/2010, Jeffrey Engle wrote:

Bruce, tried the Data rescue 3, worked like a charm:-) Jeff


Now, go make a backup!

NOW.

:)

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Re: File Recovery

2010-05-12 Thread Cliff Rediger



 On Apr 29, 8:42 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:

  In my experience, Data Rescue is very thorough, and ALWAYS finds old  
  files unless the HD has be reformatted or zeroed.

On Apr 30, 5:30 pm, Cliff Rediger redicl...@yahoo.com wrote:
 It promised a 13+ hour run, so I'm postponing until I get back home.
 Then, there's also the Thorough Scan option.

I let DR run overnight and in the morning it reported an estimated
time of 100 hrs to produce the report.

I do not have a HD large enough to match the troubled drive, but
figured I wouldn't need one just to generate the report.

so, I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong.

advice appreciated.
Ciff

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Re: File Recovery

2010-04-30 Thread Cliff Rediger
 On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote:
  My SuperDuper settings call for smart update which mimics the
  complete backup option
  so all files not on the original drive must have been erased, and
  thoroughly.

On Apr 29, 8:42 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:
 I don't think your hypothesis is correct. I've used both SuperDuper  
 and Data Rescue. ,,, I don't believe that SuperDuper would have taken the 
 time to  
 zero all data on the HD unless you specified this in a preference  
 beforehand.

Thanks for that thorough response Kris.
I guess part of my trouble is that I'm not sure what happened.

Typically, I back up my boot drive to another drive that I take with
me when I travel along with the  1 TB drive.
Regrettably, I didn't look at the SD settings (this drive to that
drive),
but, did note that it was taking a long time to smart update.
Still, I figured this was because I hadn't backed up for weeks, and I
don't recall it taking an hour or two.

I may have booted the TB drive when setting up, not sure. But, almost
certainly didn't do anything else.

 Also, to correctly use Data Rescue you'd need access to another clean  
 HD.

I understand this and figure(d) I'll need another TB drive to recover.

While you may be able to compile a list of recoverable files using  
 a smaller HD,

That's what I thought and hoped. But I don't see anything in the
recoverable files that look like my lost files.
   
 I still think there SHOULD be MANY recoverable files using Data Rescue  

At your prompt, I'm going to look again

 UNLESS the HD was zeroed, and zeroing a 1TB HD is a fairly long  
 process that's not normally part of a SuperDuper backup.

right. Thank you
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Re: File Recovery

2010-04-30 Thread Cliff Rediger


On Apr 29, 8:42 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:

 In my experience, Data Rescue is very thorough, and ALWAYS finds old  
 files unless the HD has be reformatted or zeroed.


Kris, my report was base on running only the DR Quick Scan

Your comments reminded me that I had other DR options, and
 I tried the DR Deleted Files Scan.
It promised a 13+ hour run, so I'm postponing until I get back home.
Then, there's also the Thorough Scan option.

So, thanks for the imput and encouragement.
I'm hopeful again.
And, yes, it's a lesson learned.

Cliff

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Re: File Recovery

2010-04-29 Thread Cliff Rediger


On Apr 28, 1:02 pm, Baha Ata baha...@gmail.com wrote:
 BUT NEVER WRITE ANYTHING ON THE DISCS that you try to rescue and NEVER
 USE THEM. Data rescue take data from them and write another disc, no
 change on old drive... That's the best way.

I'm running 10.4.11 on a Mini G4.

Hmm. Since I inadvertently cloned from a smaller drive (d1) to a
larger drive, thus erasing most of what was on the larger drive (d2)
I'm suddenly thinking that any recovery will require a third drive
(d3) of equal size to the d2.
Is that right? or will Disk Recovery buffer recovered files (from d2)
and progressively write back to d2?

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Re: File Recovery

2010-04-29 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote:



I'm running 10.4.11 on a Mini G4.

Hmm. Since I inadvertently cloned from a smaller drive (d1) to a
larger drive, thus erasing most of what was on the larger drive (d2)
I'm suddenly thinking that any recovery will require a third drive
(d3) of equal size to the d2.
Is that right? or will Disk Recovery buffer recovered files (from d2)
and progressively write back to d2?



As a rule of thumb always ALWAYS ALWAYS do data recovery to a clean  
drive.  Never EVER write to your problem drive; write-protect it in  
hardware if possible.


If these files are worth it (irreplaceable and/or will cost a great  
deal to re-create) consider a data recovery service like Drive Savers.  
They're pricey, but they can probably get the data back.





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Re: File Recovery

2010-04-29 Thread Cliff Rediger



 On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote:
  I'm suddenly thinking that any recovery will require a third drive
  (d3) of equal size to the d2.

On Apr 29, 10:09 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:
 As a rule of thumb always ALWAYS ALWAYS do data recovery to a clean  
 drive.  

 If these files are worth it (irreplaceable and/or will cost a great  
 deal to re-create) consider a data recovery service like Drive Savers.  

Data Recovery provides a demo mode which allows one to scan for files
and download one recovered file.
This scan reveals nothing on the drive other than the cloned files.
My SuperDuper settings call for smart update which mimics the
complete backup option
so all files not on the original drive must have been erased, and
thoroughly.

Alas, I believe I'm done. Fortunately, it's not too serious.
Any further comments are appreciated.
Thanks for all the input.
Cliff

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Re: File Recovery

2010-04-29 Thread Cliff Rediger



 On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote:
  I'm suddenly thinking that any recovery will require a third drive
  (d3) of equal size to the d2.

On Apr 29, 10:09 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:
 As a rule of thumb always ALWAYS ALWAYS do data recovery to a clean  
 drive.  

 If these files are worth it (irreplaceable and/or will cost a great  
 deal to re-create) consider a data recovery service like Drive Savers.  

Data Recovery provides a demo mode which allows one to scan for files
and download one recovered file.
This scan reveals nothing on the drive other than the cloned files.
My SuperDuper settings call for smart update which mimics the
complete backup option
so all files not on the original drive must have been erased, and
thoroughly.

Alas, I believe I'm done. Fortunately, it's not too serious.
Any further comments are appreciated.
Thanks for all the input.
Cliff

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Re: File Recovery

2010-04-29 Thread Cliff Rediger

 On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Cliff Rediger wrote:
  I'm suddenly thinking that any recovery will require a third drive
  (d3) of equal size to the d2.

On Apr 29, 10:09 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:

 As a rule of thumb always ALWAYS ALWAYS do data recovery to a clean
 drive.

 If these files are worth it (irreplaceable and/or will cost a great
 deal to re-create) consider a data recovery service like Drive Savers.

Data Rescue provides a demo mode which allows one to scan for files
and download one recovered file.
This scan reveals nothing on the drive other than the cloned files.
My SuperDuper settings call for smart update which mimics the
complete backup option
so all files not on the original drive must have been erased, and
thoroughly.

Alas, I believe I'm done. Fortunately, it's not too serious.
Any further comments are appreciated.
Thanks for all the input.
Cliff

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Re: File Recovery

2010-04-29 Thread Kris Tilford

On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote:


Data Rescue provides a demo mode which allows one to scan for files
and download one recovered file.
This scan reveals nothing on the drive other than the cloned files.
My SuperDuper settings call for smart update which mimics the
complete backup option
so all files not on the original drive must have been erased, and
thoroughly.


I don't think your hypothesis is correct. I've used both SuperDuper  
and Data Rescue. For SuperDuper to have zeroed a 1TB HD before  
smart updating it would have taken at least an extra hour, perhaps  
even two. I don't believe that SuperDuper would have taken the time to  
zero all data on the HD unless you specified this in a preference  
beforehand.


Also, to correctly use Data Rescue you'd need access to another clean  
HD. While you may be able to compile a list of recoverable files using  
a smaller HD, to actually recover the files you'd need another HD at  
least large enough to hold the recovered data, so in your case, I  
believe you said the data was about 700GB, and the mistakenly cloned  
HD was 100GB, so that means you should have about 600GB that could  
possibly be recovered. If you used this HD to boot from and for  
internet, it's likely you ruined a fair proportion of that 600GB, so  
it could be much, much smaller.


In my experience, Data Rescue is very thorough, and ALWAYS finds old  
files unless the HD has be reformatted or zeroed. Even zeroed HDs can  
be recovered by professional data recovery centers, but this is VERY  
expensive. I'd think this is a lesson-learned experience for you, BUT  
I still think there SHOULD be MANY recoverable files using Data Rescue  
UNLESS the HD was zeroed, and zeroing a 1TB HD is a fairly long  
process that's not normally part of a SuperDuper backup.


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Re: File Recovery

2010-04-28 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Apr 27, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Dan wrote:



This is why we recommend using CarbonCopyCloner for making backups.  
It's incremental backup setting has options that let you keep the  
old files around.  That way nothing is lost.


Yes, and when you restore from one of those you spend *HOURS* pawing  
through masses of duplicate files. I my case, I'd carefully preserved  
all my data through two Dammit I can't find anything, time to clean  
off the desktop and re-arrange stuff sessions.


It's a bit disconcerting to make a complete backup, knowing you have  
just a handful of file and folders on your desktop, then restore from  
the SAME backup, and suddenly seeing mounds and mounds of files on the  
desktop. :-/


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Re: File Recovery

2010-04-28 Thread Dan

At 8:52 AM -0700 4/28/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote:

On Apr 27, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Dan wrote:
This is why we recommend using CarbonCopyCloner for making backups. 
It's incremental backup setting has options that let you keep the 
old files around.  That way nothing is lost.


Yes, and when you restore from one of those you spend *HOURS* pawing 
through masses of duplicate files. I my case, I'd carefully 
preserved all my data through two Dammit I can't find anything, 
time to clean off the desktop and re-arrange stuff sessions.


It's a bit disconcerting to make a complete backup, knowing you have 
just a handful of file and folders on your desktop, then restore 
from the SAME backup, and suddenly seeing mounds and mounds of files 
on the desktop. :-/


I think you're thinking of telling CCC to never delete files AND not 
move (archive) modified or deleted files.  In that case, you're not 
creating a usable clone at all - just a big mess.  Not sure why you'd 
ever want to do that.


Done correctly, there should be NO duplicate file mess.  Tell CCC to 
do an Incremental, and check all three options.  That way modified or 
deleted files are moved to the incremental directory, and the main 
clone is made to match the source exactly.


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Re: File Recovery

2010-04-28 Thread Cliff Rediger

 On Apr 27, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Dan wrote:
  This is why we recommend using CarbonCopyCloner for making backups.  
 

On Apr 28, 8:52 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:
 It's a bit disconcerting to make a complete backup, knowing you have  
 just a handful of file and folders on your desktop, then restore from  
 the SAME backup, and suddenly seeing mounds and mounds of files on the  
 desktop. :-/

As I mentioned, I'm using SuperDuper.
Not sure how it might compare to CCC, but
I entirely duplicate my working HD.
Thing is, the TB HD (AV storage) was/is NOT backed up, and there's the
rub.
I figured use and therefore risk was minimal, which does not account
for user stupid error.

Cliff

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Re: File Recovery

2010-04-28 Thread Baha Ata
what system u are using... i may recommend Data Rescue

http://www.macosxapplications.com/system-disk-utilities/data-rescue-3-emergency-hard-drive-recovery-file-recovery/


but, wait... till more information come... you must download and burn
as CD and start form CD or DVD. No touch to your existing drive.. and
get your data from old drive to another drive. That is the best case
and blueprint of a successful rescue.

Never touch or change your existing data or HD...



2010/4/28 Cliff Rediger redicl...@yahoo.com:
 Color me stupid.

 I have two 100 GB drives: one's my basic boot drive (D1) and I
 SuperDuper copy to the other (D2) as backup.

 When I travel to where my wife is taking care of her parents, I back
 up to the second drive, take it with me and boot from it thru her
 iBook.

 I also have a tera byte drive (D3) that I use for storing av stuff,
 like video projects, ripped DVDs etc.
 Last I looked it had about 250 GB unused space on it.

 Here's the rub. I backed up and packed up D2  D3 and drove to Santa
 Barbara.
 There I discovered that I must have inadvertently backed up D1 to D3
 as all the AV files are gone.

 Swell. OK. what to do?
  Local Mac shop whats $300+ to recover.
 Looks like file recovery software runs about $100. Any
 recommendations  for what works.
 And, of course, I might just let it go.

 Advise and comments appreciated.
 Cliff

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Re: File Recovery

2010-04-27 Thread Jonas Lopez
Had this kind of problem and the FIRST RULE is do not use any of your disks 
until you decide what to do. The mistake made is to go on and fix it later - DO 
NOT DO THIS, STOP ALL USE NOW - if you are to recover any or all, stop now. JML

--- On Tue, 4/27/10, Cliff Rediger redicl...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Cliff Rediger redicl...@yahoo.com
 Subject: File Recovery
 To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 4:58 PM
 Color me stupid.
 
 I have two 100 GB drives: one's my basic boot drive (D1)
 and I
 SuperDuper copy to the other (D2) as backup.
 
 When I travel to where my wife is taking care of her
 parents, I back
 up to the second drive, take it with me and boot from it
 thru her
 iBook.
 
 I also have a tera byte drive (D3) that I use for storing
 av stuff,
 like video projects, ripped DVDs etc.
 Last I looked it had about 250 GB unused space on it.
 
 Here's the rub. I backed up and packed up D2  D3 and
 drove to Santa
 Barbara.
 There I discovered that I must have inadvertently backed up
 D1 to D3
 as all the AV files are gone.
 
 Swell. OK. what to do?
  Local Mac shop whats $300+ to recover.
 Looks like file recovery software runs about $100. Any
 recommendations  for what works.
 And, of course, I might just let it go.
 
 Advise and comments appreciated.
 Cliff
 
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Re: File Recovery

2010-04-27 Thread Dan

At 4:58 PM -0700 4/27/2010, Cliff Rediger wrote:

There I discovered that I must have inadvertently backed up D1 to D3
as all the AV files are gone.

Swell. OK. what to do?


Stop using the drive.  The more you use it the more of what the drive 
thinks of as free will be used.  And what's on that free space -- 
your lost data.


A tool such as DiskWarrior might be able to recover the deleted 
files.  Or Data Rescue.


Neither are inexpensive.


This is why we recommend using CarbonCopyCloner for making backups. 
It's incremental backup setting has options that let you keep the 
old files around.  That way nothing is lost.


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Re: File Recovery Query

2009-10-23 Thread Kyle Hansen

On 10/23/09 9:43 AM, aussieshepsrock ilovaussiesh...@yahoo.com Broadcast
into the ether:

 but
 can I use a utility program to scan the drive's sectors and
 reconstitute the data onto another drive?

Data Rescue from Prosoft Engineering should work for you.

http://www.prosofteng.com/
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Re: File Recovery Query

2009-10-23 Thread Charles Davis


On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote:


 On 10/23/09 9:43 AM, aussieshepsrock ilovaussiesh...@yahoo.com  
 Broadcast
 into the ether:

 but
 can I use a utility program to scan the drive's sectors and
 reconstitute the data onto another drive?

 Data Rescue from Prosoft Engineering should work for you.

 http://www.prosofteng.com/


Isn't this something that 'Disk Warrior' does also???

Don't have the docs to check myself.

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Re: File Recovery Query

2009-10-23 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Oct 23, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Charles Davis wrote:

 Data Rescue from Prosoft Engineering should work for you.

 http://www.prosofteng.com/


 Isn't this something that 'Disk Warrior' does also???

No, the only thing that Disk Warrior does is rebuild munged disk  
directories. It does it very well. It does not do any sort of  
'undelete'; it'll see a freshly formatted drive as having no files on  
it, and faithfully rebuild the empty directory.

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Re: File Recovery Query

2009-10-23 Thread Charles Davis


On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



 On Oct 23, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Charles Davis wrote:

 Data Rescue from Prosoft Engineering should work for you.

 http://www.prosofteng.com/


 Isn't this something that 'Disk Warrior' does also???

 No, the only thing that Disk Warrior does is rebuild munged disk
 directories. It does it very well. It does not do any sort of
 'undelete'; it'll see a freshly formatted drive as having no files on
 it, and faithfully rebuild the empty directory.

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 University of Arizona
 College of Pharmacy
 Information Technology Group

 Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs

ISTR that there were some 'flags' that could be set, to tell Disk  
Warrior to look for 'otherwise deleted' information. [This memory is  
a few years old, so I may be remembering from another  'Disk  
Maintenance routine.
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