Re: New forums on Low End Mac

[Kris Tilford]

On April 8, 2013 Dan Knight wrote:

> The four Intel-related hardware forums are:
> 
> MacBooks http://goo.gl/r6w4N
> Intel iMacs http://goo.gl/uXlsP
> Intel Mac mini http://goo.gl/PfUKi
> Mac Pro http://goo.gl/xVAHy
> 
> I hope to see some of you there!
> 
> Dan Knight, publisher, Low End Mac

The Mac Pro forum isn't working.
No way to post a topic even if you're signed-in.

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Re: New Forums

[W.Adrian D'Alessio]

Don't let the door hit you in the *ss !


On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Frank Dutra  wrote:

> On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:43 AM, M Christol wrote:
>>
>>  signed into the G3-G5 forum via Google the other day & mainly saw ads.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps this is the intent, to monetize free mailing lists via ads?
>>
>> Mailing lists with searchable archives are superior to web forums.
>>
>>
>
>
> Looks like the fateful day is fast approaching,,, I'll be hanging around
> at:
>
> 
> >
>
> if anyone wants to know how to convert a PC ATX power supply for a Mystic,
> or other such arcane oddities. Hope to see some of my old friends dropping
> by from time to time.
>
> Best to All, and thanks for all the fish,,,
>
> Frank
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Re: New Forums

[Frank Dutra]

On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:43 AM, M Christol wrote:


signed into the G3-G5 forum via Google the other day & mainly saw ads.


Perhaps this is the intent, to monetize free mailing lists via ads?

Mailing lists with searchable archives are superior to web forums.





Looks like the fateful day is fast approaching,,, I'll be hanging around at:



if anyone wants to know how to convert a PC ATX power supply for a 
Mystic, or other such arcane oddities. Hope to see some of my old 
friends dropping by from time to time.


Best to All, and thanks for all the fish,,,

Frank
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Re: New Forums

[James E. Therrault]

On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:55 AM, ROBERT H. BAUCOM wrote:

> I still loop back with nostalgia to the old PowerComputing List (Remember 
> that Mac  Clone ?). Great bunch of folk that helped me  for  many years. 
> Like the old Hudson Automabile, when they went out of business, a great 
> product with plummeting resale prices, A real bargain. 
> My son, daughter & three grandkids were furnished with PowerCenter Pros  with 
> sonnet G3 upgrade kits. 


Ah yes, Power Computing!  I still have a pristine Power Center Pro tower with a 
Sonet G3 plus a desktop PCP for spare parts.

It was the cat's butt back then...

JT


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Re: New Forums

[ROBERT H . BAUCOM]

I still loop back with nostalgia to the old PowerComputing List (Remember that 
Mac  Clone ?). Great bunch of folk that helped me  for  many years. 
Like the old Hudson Automabile, when they went out of business, a great product 
with plummeting resale prices, A real bargain. 
My son, daughter & three grandkids were furnished with PowerCenter Pros  with 
sonnet G3 upgrade kits. 

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Pedagogy - an endless procession of adolescents who have been taught everything 
save that which is true, and outfitted with every trick save those that are 
socially useful”  ~ H.L. Mencken

On Mar 26, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Jim Scott  wrote:

> 
> On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:43 AM, M Christol wrote:
>> 
>>> signed into the G3-G5 forum via Google the other day & mainly saw ads.
>> 
>> Perhaps this is the intent, to monetize free mailing lists via ads?
> 
> Based on the continuing soap opera LEM has presented concerning its financial 
> woes over the years, you're probably right. Dan Knight has created a 
> wonderful worldwide online community for Mac people, but he has not managed 
> to find a way to make it self-supporting or profitable on a sustained basis. 
> Unfortunately, this latest effort is confusing and has been badly presented, 
> if at all, to folks like you and me, without whom there would/will be no LEM. 
> I suspect the lack of information from Dan is a mute acknowledgement that 
> this latest move is a loser. Since LEM is Dan's baby, it's up to him to 
> provide leadership and convince all us LEMmings to follow him. As things are 
> beginning to look, we may be seeing the death throes of LEM as we have known 
> it.
> 
> Jim Scott
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Re: New Forums

[tina]

Den Tirsdag, 26/3 2013, 12:37, Koralatov skrev:
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 15:39, t...@nehaia.dk wrote:
>
>> that said, yes, this is worrying, and a forum, or a bunch of fora will
>> never ever work as fluent and convinient as the mail lists, and I also
>> miss an explantion about that
>
> No, they won't.
>
> It also appears that uptake has been minimal -- the lists continue to
> tick along as always, but there have been no posts to the new fora in
> over a week.  That doesn't really bode well for their future.
>
> Did we ever get an answer as to what will be happening to the list?  As
> far as I can see, we haven't.

there has been some replies to the comments on this page:


it seems that so far there's no need to worry too much

/tina

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Re: New Forums

[JohnV]

On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:45 PM, Jim Scott wrote:


Based on the continuing soap opera LEM has presented concerning its  
financial woes over the years, you're probably right. Dan Knight  
has created a wonderful worldwide online community for Mac people,  
but he has not managed to find a way to make it self-supporting or  
profitable on a sustained basis. Unfortunately, this latest effort  
is confusing and has been badly presented, if at all, to folks like  
you and me, without whom there would/will be no LEM. I suspect the  
lack of information from Dan is a mute acknowledgement that this  
latest move is a loser. Since LEM is Dan's baby, it's up to him to  
provide leadership and convince all us LEMmings to follow him. As  
things are beginning to look, we may be seeing the death throes of  
LEM as we have known it.


... and I will reiterate what I mentioned a little while back, if $$$  
donations from us to him (or whom/whatever) is what it takes to keep  
this going. I'm in.
it works fine with other lists I rely on. It's dealt with  
occasionally and without pressure and when the rare public mention of  
it comes around (usually after a server has had issues and needed  
work and folks are discussing the technology) always... ALWAYS, the  
member folks chime in enthusiastically with back-slaps to  the quiet  
folks that keep-er-running and self-reminders that "...if the admin  
needs something, i'm sending in a buck or bunches".  Some folks can  
barely afford $5, others more, nobody brags about how much or little,  
but in order to keep it right, it happens.
I hope that who might (or might not) be cowed for the moment will  
shake it off and step back up to the plate and we can work it out.  
It's worth it for the very reasons that folks here are saying.


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Re: New Forums

[W.Adrian D'Alessio]

"Free mailing lists " ?  For who ? Server administration costs money.

" Soap Opera " what an unkind phrase to describe fund raising to keep
something that has done so much good afloat.

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Re: New Forums

[W.Adrian D'Alessio]

? ? ? ? ? ?

Went on LEM G list just now.

Ads are optional I see the same messages I see right now in my Google mail
page.
In fact if I open my mail and the list page in separate tabs I can read
them like in a mirror.
I don't understand what is being said here.

So there are more lists and Dan is getting money from ad placement to run
the lists GOOD  I hope he gets the support he needs to keep LEM going. I
recall when the list came together  for a fund drive to keep it going.

LEM has never been a democracy so rules have pretty much worked to keep the
lists on point. So substantial help has flowed here . Good job Dan Knight
and LEM !




On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Frank Dutra  wrote:

> On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:43 AM, M Christol wrote:
>>
>>  signed into the G3-G5 forum via Google the other day & mainly saw ads.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps this is the intent, to monetize free mailing lists via ads?
>>
>> Mailing lists with searchable archives are superior to web forums.
>>
>
>
> Agreed, I have various list archives going back to 1993 that have solved
> most of my Mac related problems. Heck, I feel like a lot of people here are
> my trusted, respected friends that I would greet enthusiastically if ever
> to meet offlist.
>
> WIll stay with lists for as long as possible and will only visit forums if
> help is needed.
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Re: New Forums

[Jim Scott]

On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Kris Tilford  wrote:

> On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:43 AM, M Christol wrote:
> 
>> signed into the G3-G5 forum via Google the other day & mainly saw ads.
> 
> Perhaps this is the intent, to monetize free mailing lists via ads?

Based on the continuing soap opera LEM has presented concerning its financial 
woes over the years, you're probably right. Dan Knight has created a wonderful 
worldwide online community for Mac people, but he has not managed to find a way 
to make it self-supporting or profitable on a sustained basis. Unfortunately, 
this latest effort is confusing and has been badly presented, if at all, to 
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a loser. Since LEM is Dan's baby, it's up to him to provide leadership and 
convince all us LEMmings to follow him. As things are beginning to look, we may 
be seeing the death throes of LEM as we have known it.

Jim Scott

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Re: New Forums

[Bruce Ryan]

Absolutely - LEM lists are 'staffed' by many kind and knowledgeable people who 
have educated me over the years. Thank you one and all.

Bruce in Edinburgh


On 26 Mar 2013, at 16:41, Dana Collins  wrote:

> On 3/26/13 11:36 AM, Frank Dutra of fdut...@gmail.com sent
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>> 
>> Agreed, I have various list archives going back to 1993 that have
>> solved most of my Mac related problems. Heck, I feel like a lot of
>> people here are my trusted, respected friends that I would greet
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>> 
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> Frank is very kind... I too feel the same way.
> Regards,
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Re: New Forums

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On 3/26/13 11:36 AM, Frank Dutra of fdut...@gmail.com sent


> 
> Agreed, I have various list archives going back to 1993 that have
> solved most of my Mac related problems. Heck, I feel like a lot of
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> enthusiastically if ever to meet offlist.
> 

Frank is very kind... I too feel the same way.
Regards,
Dana


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Re: New Forums

[Frank Dutra]

On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:43 AM, M Christol wrote:


signed into the G3-G5 forum via Google the other day & mainly saw ads.


Perhaps this is the intent, to monetize free mailing lists via ads?

Mailing lists with searchable archives are superior to web forums.



Agreed, I have various list archives going back to 1993 that have 
solved most of my Mac related problems. Heck, I feel like a lot of 
people here are my trusted, respected friends that I would greet 
enthusiastically if ever to meet offlist.


WIll stay with lists for as long as possible and will only visit 
forums if help is needed.


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Re: New Forums

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On Mar 26, 2013, at 9:43 AM, M Christol wrote:


signed into the G3-G5 forum via Google the other day & mainly saw ads.


Perhaps this is the intent, to monetize free mailing lists via ads?

Mailing lists with searchable archives are superior to web forums.

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Re: New Forums

[M Christol]

On 3/25/13 7:37 PM, Koralatov wrote:

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 15:39, t...@nehaia.dk wrote:


that said, yes, this is worrying, and a forum, or a bunch of fora will
never ever work as fluent and convinient as the mail lists, and I also
miss an explantion about that


No, they won't.

It also appears that uptake has been minimal -- the lists continue to
tick along as always, but there have been no posts to the new fora in
over a week.  That doesn't really bode well for their future.

Did we ever get an answer as to what will be happening to the list?  As
far as I can see, we haven't.


signed into the G3-G5 forum via Google the other day & mainly saw ads.

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Re: New Forums

[tina]

Den Fredag, 15/3 2013, 02:53, Dan skrev:
> On 13 Mar, Dan Knight blerted:
>>We've started the process of migrating to WordPress forums, and
>>today   I'm announcing that the Power Macs (G3-5) forum is ready to
>>go. Please go to \url\ and create a login ID and password so you can
>>participate.
>
> Apropos to what?  What is the point of this transition?

for the website, you can read dan's own words about it here:


for the lists - I have no idea, and no, I don't like it either

> As I replied to Dan's blert on the iMac List, and got NO response:
>
> The ppc page takes about 45 secs to load (Safari, Leopard,
> QuickSilver, with a 15/5 fiber connection).
>
> The right hand column - mostly ads, keeps flashing then redrawing,
> making the whole page distractingly unreadable.  Looks like this is
> site-wide?

tenfourfox 7, pb 1ghz g4, tiger - nothing takes 45 seconds to load on a
much slower connection. everythings smooth, fast loading and nothing
flashing or redrawing

login, registration and posting works just fine even with full noscript
turned on

only thing I can't get to work (or find) is to change the profile pic

that said, yes, this is worrying, and a forum, or a bunch of fora will
never ever work as fluent and convinient as the mail lists, and I also
miss an explantion about that

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Re: New Forums

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On Mar 15, 2013, at 12:15 AM, Charles Lenington wrote:

> cms = 

Content Management System:



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Re: New Forums

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Il giorno 14/03/13 02.06, "t...@nehaia.dk" ha scritto:


I can't say I like this change, but I can definetly understand that a cms


cms = 





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Re: [G3-5]Re: New Forums

[MaGioZal]

:-(

I prefer the mailing lists...
 




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On 3/13/13 9:11 PM, t...@nehaia.dk at  wrote:

> Den Onsdag, 13/3 2013, 09:23, Bob Johnson skrev:
>> Dan,
>> 
>> Are these Wordpress forums email lists, or accessible only via web
>> browser?
>> 
>> I have to say that I am unlikely to go to a web only forum very often,
>> I like the old school mailing list way of doing things.
>> 
>> Bob
> 
> from the welcome message in the intel imac group:
> 
> "I just want to take a moment to welcome you to the first of our
> WordPress-based forums, which will replace the Google Groups that we¹ve
> used for years. You¹ll be able to use the same ID and password to log into
> Low End Mac and the forums ­ and you should even be able to do that using
> your Facebook, Twitter, or several other social networking IDs."
> 
> so, sadly, it seems we're at the end of things as we knew them :-(


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Re: New Forums

[a1]

1. Can't ownership of this group simply be transferred, and then we
could all just stay put?
2. Can a new group be created and the archives forwarded?
3. If everyone is fed up with Google, a Yahoo group could be created,
yes?
4. I have messages saved from as far back as 2004, from when the lists
were at mail.maclaunch.com. I think the move to Google for these lists
was the reason I made a Google account. I can't stand Chrome, the new
look of the Google Groups, the Standard View of Gmail [I use the html
version only]. The only thing I liked that was easy on the eyes and
easy to manage was Google Reader.

Somebody could get a listserv together if need be, yes? Dan can
advertise and promote LEM web forums but there is no reason people
could not separately, independently circulate listservs. I'd be happy
to have all pre-Intel stuff in one place again.

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Re: New Forums

[Dan]

On 13 Mar, Dan Knight blerted:
We've started the process of migrating to WordPress forums, and 
today   I'm announcing that the Power Macs (G3-5) forum is ready to 
go. Please go to \url\ and create a login ID and password so you can 
participate.


Apropos to what?  What is the point of this transition?

As I replied to Dan's blert on the iMac List, and got NO response:

The ppc page takes about 45 secs to load (Safari, Leopard, 
QuickSilver, with a 15/5 fiber connection).


The right hand column - mostly ads, keeps flashing then redrawing, 
making the whole page distractingly unreadable.  Looks like this is 
site-wide?


I hit the Login link and was quickly taken to a login page.  My old 
LEM login doesn't work, so I hit the "register" link.  Took me a 
while to realize that there is a field next to the captcha graphic -- 
it has no outline, so it's basically invisible.  And no matter what I 
do, the captcha fails.


Now, I'm really confused as to the whole point of this.  Are you 
saying you're removing us from Google Groups?  You're maintaining the 
bazillion group split?  What about archives?


At 1:11 AM +0100 03/14/2013, t...@nehaia.dk wrote:

from the welcome message in the intel imac group:

"I just want to take a moment to welcome you to the first of our
WordPress-based forums, which will replace the Google Groups that we've
used for years. You'll be able to use the same ID and password to log into
Low End Mac and the forums - and you should even be able to do that using
your Facebook, Twitter, or several other social networking IDs."


so, sadly, it seems we're at the end of things as we knew them :-(


The blert for the iMac list was on 12 Mar.  It is now two days later. 
Nothing has changed.  The registration does not work.  The page's ads 
still distractingly redraw.  The format of the page is just not 
usable.


"format" is generous.  The forums there seem to be crude throwbacks 
from the early 1980s bbs days.  At the minimum one would expect a 
full phpBB, that works with all browsers.  Does this worpress thing 
even support mailing lists?  Or is Dan expecting us to waste hours 
each day perusing individual slow forums on the web?


End of things is right.  At this point, I doubt I'll be making the 
"transition".  GG's mailing lists work fine.  I've no interest in 
wasting time farking with a new set-up when the old one ain't broke.


If Dan has unilaterally decided to do this, with no input from his 
userbase... oh well.  Maybe it's time we did our own Google Groups 
and maybe hooked up with a site like everymac.com?  That site's pages 
DO work on older Macs.


- Dan.
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Re: New Forums

[diane]

I think the site move is great if it keeps the LEM info alive and is easier
to manage.

But the move to a forum is horrible! I also prefer to get all my emails in
my email program, on my computer. I can filter, sort, delete and file to my
hearts content. And easily find them again.

With a forum, I have to bookmark/subscribe - if it's even offered. I'd have
to cut and paste into a blank email if I really wanted to file it with what
I have in my computer. I have to remember to go there to get the same info
that happily shows up here already. I love the LEM lists but I'd have to
say if they went to a web forum, I too would only go there when I needed
help for something.

I've built web sites, run mailing lists and forums. I've found mailing
lists to be the easiest things to manage over the years. I really hope the
forum doesn't happen  :(

Diane

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Re: New Forums

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Il giorno 14/03/13 04.26, "t...@nehaia.dk" ha scritto:

> the cms is for the website, you can read dan's own words about that part
> here:
> 
> 
Thank you for the link.

As far as I understand, two main things are changing:
A) The LEM website will be hosted/managed with Wordpress.
B) The mailing lists will be ported to the same website.

I understand the need for A), the improvements (both technical and for the
people working on it), and I appreciate WP (I even have my professional
website there).

OTOH, B) seems (to me) much less justified; I managed a mailing lists for
years (on YahooGroups), and I had not much to do, save for kicking out
spammers and explaining rules to newcomers.
Ok, GoogleGroups may be seen as evil, but I'm sure there are free mail list
hosting alternatives.

> but I do know something about running listservers and that's not for kids
> these days, I can assure you
But if the List is hosted by GoogleGroup, what's about a listserver?
Isn't it something you have to manage if you host the List yourself?

> I'm worried that this will be then end for a lot of old timers - on the
> other hand, there were also a lot of fuzz when we migrated to google and
> when we migrated from whereever it was that we resided before.
> there always is, when things change.
Yeah, I know. But that was a migration from a different platform for the
SAME service (mailing list).
Migrating to a (very) different service is not just a nuisance, it's a
revolution.

> I see a real danger that a lot of people will only find their way over
> there, when they encounter problems
Yes, exactly that: I usually go to forums just when I have a need/problem,
while I happily browse the mails coming in thru the various Lists I'm
subscribed to.

All in all, I think the people runnning LEM will hear users opinions, and
they will decide what's best.


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Re: New Forums

[tina]

Den Torsdag, 14/3 2013, 02:42, Valter Prahlad skrev:
> Il giorno 14/03/13 02.06, "t...@nehaia.dk" ha scritto:
>
>> I can't say I like this change, but I can definetly understand that a
>> cms
>> is needed to keep things alive
> I'm no expert, but I've been using mailing lists for years and years, and
> nobody had complaints about them.
> So, what's up? :-)
> Why do we need a CMS to "keep things alive"?
> (especially if most members are complaining about this switch)

the cms is for the website, you can read dan's own words about that part
here:



as for mailing lists, I prefer them over a forum too. I haven't tried
running a list on google, so I don't know the reason for migrating to fora
instead

but I do know something about running listservers and that's not for kids
these days, I can assure you

> I hope it's not about Facebook or anything "social networks"...
> because I honestly, sincerely, positively despise and avoid them as much
> as
> I can.

I sincerely agree, I don't have a facebook or linked in or... account.
never will either

>> I hope though that other old timers, like myself, will eventually
>> migrate
>> over - it would be so sad if these communities died out just because
>> we'll
>> have to adjust to new ways
> I know I won't.

I'm worried that this will be then end for a lot of old timers - on the
other hand, there were also a lot of fuzz when we migrated to google and
when we migrated from whereever it was that we resided before.
there always is, when things change.

personally I'm all for getting away from google, but I'd definetly prefer
another listserv solution

> As a matter of fact, I'm not a Low-End-Mac user anymore... I'm a happy
> owner
> of an Intel iMac. But I gladly kept here because I like reading about PPC
> Macs, and I like helping fellow Mac users when I can.

I am a lowend user, and a short trip over to the new forum revealed that I
can use the fora on my powerbook g4 with 10.4.11 and tenfourfox 7.0

> But if I'd have to actively go to a website and browse posts... I just
> will
> not. Too much of a hassle and, frankly, I see no reason why.

yup, it's a hassle, and I'll probably find it hard to find the time to do
so myself, even if I want to.
I see a real danger that a lot of people will only find their way over
there, when they encounter problems, and that a lot of the knowledgeable
people will disappear

> Mailing lists are simple, fast and effective. And I'm all for KISS.

yes they are - on the recieving end

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Re: New Forums

[Brian Christmas]

Goodby G-list, it's been good to know ya!

Regards

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Re: New Forums

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On 13 Mar 2013, at 18:42:42 PDT, Valter Prahlad wrote:

As a matter of fact, I'm not a Low-End-Mac user anymore... I'm a  
happy owner
of an Intel iMac. But I gladly kept here because I like reading  
about PPC

Macs, and I like helping fellow Mac users when I can.
But if I'd have to actively go to a website and browse posts... I  
just will

not. Too much of a hassle and, frankly, I see no reason why.

Mailing lists are simple, fast and effective. And I'm all for KISS.

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Re: New Forums

[JohnV]

One mail list I am devoted to occasionally has folks check in about  
if the moderator/server person needs help or some cash to help keep  
the machines running... it's never a lot, it's never begged or  
demanded, it;s just like a neighborhood block party and you chip in  
to help make it all work.
 I know a moderator/operator puts in WAY too much time to keep  
things in order that we, the users, do not see. We do tend to take  
that for granted and it shouldn;t be. If that;s the rub here, money  
tp keep something running, I'm in if it'll keep this easy and email,  
rather than putting a penny in a corporate pocket on a browser-ad- 
revenue (seen and unseen) site that's a pain and inelegant.



On Mar 13, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Koralatov wrote:


On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 20:23, Bob Johnson wrote:

Are these Wordpress forums email lists, or accessible only via web  
browser?


They're almost certainly not accessible via email, unless they've also
setup a mail-forum gateway, which is pretty uncommon.

I have to say that I am unlikely to go to a web only forum very  
often, I like the old school mailing list way of doing things.


I'm already member of more web fora than I care to remember, and I use
practically none of them.  Mailing lists work because I can interact
with the using my email client, which I'm already spending large  
amounts

of time using anyway.  Having to check a seperate forum means that my
already rare interactions will become zero;  I don't have the time or
patience to sign up for Yet Another Forum Account.

For discussion, which is by its nature mostly text-based, a mailing  
list

makes a lot more sense.  I don't need or want all the extra overhead
that comes along with a forum.  Also worth noting that email is
accessibly to nearly everyone, even on relatively antique hardware,
whereas a forum requires a somewhat modern browser to work correctly.
Universal access, regardless of hardware age, is more in keeping with
the low-end philosophy than a forum.

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Re: New Forums

[Kris Tilford]

On Mar 13, 2013, at 7:37 PM, JohnV wrote:

YAHOO gave me NO recourse to recover a lost password that involved a  
real human being in email or phone, and after weeks I gave up and am  
trying under a new name.


This was EXACTLY my issue with Yahoo. I was "ktilford" @yahoo but  
forgot my password, and the next thing I knew I couldn't recover my  
password, or contact a live person, or do anything other than become  
"ktilford2" in a new account.



What's the 'advantage' to moving out of an email format?


Yeah, I need a mailing list, not a forum. Forums are a chronological  
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Re: New Forums

[joe duran]

I won't be moving to the forums.  I think Wordpress stinks.  And I really 
enjoyed getting my info via email lists.  Really sad about the change.  Bye all.

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Re: New Forums

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 14/03/13 02.06, "t...@nehaia.dk" ha scritto:

> I can't say I like this change, but I can definetly understand that a cms
> is needed to keep things alive
I'm no expert, but I've been using mailing lists for years and years, and
nobody had complaints about them.
So, what's up? :-)
Why do we need a CMS to "keep things alive"?
(especially if most members are complaining about this switch)

I hope it's not about Facebook or anything "social networks"...
because I honestly, sincerely, positively despise and avoid them as much as
I can.

> I hope though that other old timers, like myself, will eventually migrate
> over - it would be so sad if these communities died out just because we'll
> have to adjust to new ways
I know I won't.

As a matter of fact, I'm not a Low-End-Mac user anymore... I'm a happy owner
of an Intel iMac. But I gladly kept here because I like reading about PPC
Macs, and I like helping fellow Mac users when I can.
But if I'd have to actively go to a website and browse posts... I just will
not. Too much of a hassle and, frankly, I see no reason why.

Mailing lists are simple, fast and effective. And I'm all for KISS.


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Re: New Forums

[tina]

Den Torsdag, 14/3 2013, 01:37, JohnV skrev:
> I have several mail-list forums I have wprked with for years. It's
> simple direct and efficient. My experieince currently with YAHOO,
> which granted is not WORDPRESS, but I have been trying wihtout
> success to transition to a YAHOO group for a professional recording
> forum and just an hour ago finished freshly registering to YAHOO 9
> shiver) a second time to try and keep in touch with things. YAHOO
> gave me NO recourse to recover a lost password that involved a real
> human being in email or phone, and after weeks I gave up and am
> trying under a new name.
> What's teh 'advantage' to moving out of an email format?

the advantage for the website is obvious - though I've been running
screaming away from wordpress several times, any cms is an advantage if
you have more than one person writing

for the lists/groups - well some would probably say that moving away from
google is one

another would be not having to run your own listserver

I can't say I like this change, but I can definetly understand that a cms
is needed to keep things alive

I've been around since the original 040 list, and I'll miss the email
lists, as I find it so much easier to follow discussions this way, as
opposed to having tosign in on a website and browse through fora

I hope though that other old timers, like myself, will eventually migrate
over - it would be so sad if these communities died out just because we'll
have to adjust to new ways

hope to see you all later in a new way at an old place

/tina

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Re: New Forums

[JohnV]

I have several mail-list forums I have wprked with for years. It's  
simple direct and efficient. My experieince currently with YAHOO,  
which granted is not WORDPRESS, but I have been trying wihtout  
success to transition to a YAHOO group for a professional recording  
forum and just an hour ago finished freshly registering to YAHOO 9  
shiver) a second time to try and keep in touch with things. YAHOO  
gave me NO recourse to recover a lost password that involved a real  
human being in email or phone, and after weeks I gave up and am  
trying under a new name.

What's teh 'advantage' to moving out of an email format?



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Re: New Forums

[Cameron Kaiser]

> A real problem is that some of the menu items don't display well in Classilla

I noticed that, and I can certainly write a Byblos stele to tweak it, but
I'm definitely not happy about the switch in general.

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Re: New Forums

[Doug McNutt]

At 19:58 -0400 3/13/13, W.Adrian D'Alessio wrote:
>Are you still getting your group's mail ?
>
>
>
>On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Cameron Kaiser 
><spec...@floodgap.com> wrote:
>
> > Are these Wordpress forums email lists, or accessible only via web
>> browser?
>>
>> I have to say that I am unlikely to go to a web only forum very often,
>> I like the old school mailing list way of doing things.
>
>I have to say I agree. Mailing lists are convenient in a variety of ways
>that web fora are not.


A real problem is that some of the menu items don't display well in Classilla

Wordpress doesn't seem to like my choice of password and it seems to want my 
email address.
 
My ability to trust Wordpress for anything went away long ago.  Our Mac user 
group, SMMUG, is now using it to handle its website and it sends out nothing 
but HTML email that takes nearly a megabyte for the smallest message.

Simple forums for simple old OS9 amd Eudora perhaps.  Otherwise you'll lose me 
if I have to go over to my Linux box just to read about low end Macs.

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Re: New Forums

[tina]

Den Onsdag, 13/3 2013, 09:23, Bob Johnson skrev:
> Dan,
>
> Are these Wordpress forums email lists, or accessible only via web
> browser?
>
> I have to say that I am unlikely to go to a web only forum very often,
> I like the old school mailing list way of doing things.
>
> Bob

from the welcome message in the intel imac group:

"I just want to take a moment to welcome you to the first of our
WordPress-based forums, which will replace the Google Groups that we’ve
used for years. You’ll be able to use the same ID and password to log into
Low End Mac and the forums – and you should even be able to do that using
your Facebook, Twitter, or several other social networking IDs."

so, sadly, it seems we're at the end of things as we knew them :-(

/tina

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Re: New Forums

[James Carroll]

> Are you still getting your group's mail ?
>

Is the mailing list going away?  I hope not.

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Re: New Forums

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Are you still getting your group's mail ?




On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:

> > Are these Wordpress forums email lists, or accessible only via web
> > browser?
> >
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> > I like the old school mailing list way of doing things.
>
> I have to say I agree. Mailing lists are convenient in a variety of ways
> that web fora are not.
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Re: New Forums

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> Are these Wordpress forums email lists, or accessible only via web  
> browser?
> 
> I have to say that I am unlikely to go to a web only forum very often,  
> I like the old school mailing list way of doing things.

I have to say I agree. Mailing lists are convenient in a variety of ways
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Re: New Forums

[Bob Johnson]

Dan,

Are these Wordpress forums email lists, or accessible only via web  
browser?


I have to say that I am unlikely to go to a web only forum very often,  
I like the old school mailing list way of doing things.


Bob

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From: "Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com" 
Date: Mar 13 02:53AM -0700
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We've started the process of migrating to WordPress forums, and today  
I'm
announcing that the Power Macs (G3-5) forum is ready to go. Please go  
to


and create a login ID and password so you can participate.

Thanks!

Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com


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