Re: [Audyssey] Panning Weapon Sounds in MOTA
I can understand. Yes, its not esey, its like your nurvis because your going to have an exam, I was just making a point. Sorry for being abit harsh. My audio games for the blind group. Discussions off topic are welcome in the holidays. Talking about games is welcome, talking about computer problems is welcome when their are know holidays but that's only in easter holidays or know holidays. If you want to joyn, just send a blank email to. audiogamesfortheblind+subscr...@googlegroups.com With the subject subscribe in the subject line. Contact infermation. email: muhamme...@googlemail.com msn: muhammed123...@hotmail.co.uk Skype: muhammed.deniz Klango username. muhammed - Original Message - From: "Jim Kitchen" To: "Muhammed Deniz" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Panning Weapon Sounds in MOTA Hi Muhammed, Well of course Thomas has the right to ask for comments, suggestions etc about MOTA. The only reason that I said anything is that every time that he asks he gets some people saying right and others saying left, some saying up and others saying down etc etc. And some times he gets frustrated with this. So I just suggested that to stop the frustration, stop asking. That's it. BFN - Original Message - Jim, he has the right to ask really. The reason he asks is that so he doesn't go in the wrong direction and and peoples apinyins. And rating on the plans. My audio games for the blind group. Discussions off topic are welcome in the holidays. Talking about games is welcome, talking about computer problems is welcome when their are know holidays but that's only in easter holidays or know holidays. If you want to joyn, just send a blank email to. audiogamesfortheblind+subscr...@googlegroups.com With the subject subscribe in the subject line. Contact infermation. email: muhamme...@googlemail.com msn: muhammed123...@hotmail.co.uk Skype: muhammed.deniz Klango username. muhammed - Original Message - From: "Jim Kitchen" To: "Thomas Ward" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Panning Weapon Sounds in MOTA Hi Thomas, I do not mean this to sound rude, or anything like that, but, maybe you should stop asking people what they would like to see in MOTA, or if this sounds better than that or this or that etc etc, and just finish the game as is. Then of course you could get on to games that you would like to create and hopefully those games will be great games that allot of people like and buy and of course make you happy to create and play. BFN Jim Everyone is entitled to my opinion, just ask me... j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA Jim "You can be on the right track and still get hit by a train!" j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Tom. I'll be interested to see how this one works out, particularly how 3D navigation and targiting will function. Actually, having the same layout in two different games might also help people get used to the 3D game a lot more sinse it'll be possible to learn things like level layout and enemy sounds and attacks from playing the 2D version which might be more familiar to some people. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Dark, Oh, its going to essentially be the same game. It will have the same story, same enemies, traps, puzzles, whatever. I could even make the 3d levels similar to there 2d counterparts simply by taking the same levels and simply redrawing each room as a true 3d object complete with four walls, a floor, and a celing. Instead of a 2d room that is say 20 by 8 I could just redraw that room to be 20 by 20 by 8 making it 3d. In other words instead of just length and height each room will have a length, width, and height attribute. The essential difference between the two versions is going to be 3d specific features that you couldn't get in a 2d only game. For example, obviously since the fps version is in 3d that offers you a lot more freedom of movement. Instead of just being able to walk left and right as well as climb up and down on ropes and things the fps version will allow you to move foward, backward, left, right as well as climb up and down on ropes, ladders, staircases, whatever. As I said far more freedom of movement. Targeting will also be a bit different than you are use too. Since we are talking about a truely 3d environment that means aiming your weapons will be a bit trickier since the game will have to calculate a true 3d vector from the player character to the target. For that reason you may have to use the page up key to raise your weapon to target a flying harpy, or use the page down key to lower your weapon in order to target an enemy monster lower to the ground. This is a feature of several mainstream games, and will be quite new to many accessible gamers I think, but it is more realistic and shouldn't be too hard to get use to. As far as any other differences such as weather or not I'll keep the random monsters and items I haven't decided. As I said a couple of days ago there are pros and cons with both. If I keep it the games will definitely be different from game to game which is good. If I get rid of it then I have to figure out where to put everything and rebalance the game which could be time consuming. So I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. In regards to more Tomb Hunter games I definitely plan on it. However, the 3d fps game isn't going to be based on any of the stories I am creating for Tomb Hunter II and so forth. For one thing I haven't purchased all the sounds I need for Tomb Hunter II, and nor would I create two different games seeing as the fps version is merely going to be Mysteries of the Ancients done my way and the side-scroller is the 2d version many people wanted to replace Montezuma's Revenge. Cheers! On 6/24/10, dark wrote: Hi Tom. As a fan of both styles of game this deffinately pleases me, however I do have one question. Will the 3D version feature the same enemies, traps and obstacles as the side scroller version? will we stil have harpies, centaurs etc? and will we stil be in griece? I was just wondering, sinse I know you've often spoken about carrying on the tombhunter series into further 3D adventures, whether this will be a different setting, for instance an egyptian or Aztec toomb. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
I suspect Bryan that Mota 3D will be even more so than tank commander, sinse tanks don't tend to do much climbing around or moving up and down themselves, where as dr. carter will. So, I assume it might be possible to combat a flying harpy either by raising your gun, or by climbing a rope until your on the same horizontal plane and the harpy then letting fly. This is one reason i'll be interested to see what Tom comes up with in terms of navigation, sinse there are likely to be a lot of possible actions to take at one time, and a lot of information about the environment which needs to be conveyed by sound. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News So in short something like a combination of Shades of Doom and Tank Commander? I know Tank Commander did require you to raise or lower your gun in order to achieve the proper firing range for the target. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Dark, Oh, its going to essentially be the same game. It will have the same story, same enemies, traps, puzzles, whatever. I could even make the 3d levels similar to there 2d counterparts simply by taking the same levels and simply redrawing each room as a true 3d object complete with four walls, a floor, and a celing. Instead of a 2d room that is say 20 by 8 I could just redraw that room to be 20 by 20 by 8 making it 3d. In other words instead of just length and height each room will have a length, width, and height attribute. The essential difference between the two versions is going to be 3d specific features that you couldn't get in a 2d only game. For example, obviously since the fps version is in 3d that offers you a lot more freedom of movement. Instead of just being able to walk left and right as well as climb up and down on ropes and things the fps version will allow you to move foward, backward, left, right as well as climb up and down on ropes, ladders, staircases, whatever. As I said far more freedom of movement. Targeting will also be a bit different than you are use too. Since we are talking about a truely 3d environment that means aiming your weapons will be a bit trickier since the game will have to calculate a true 3d vector from the player character to the target. For that reason you may have to use the page up key to raise your weapon to target a flying harpy, or use the page down key to lower your weapon in order to target an enemy monster lower to the ground. This is a feature of several mainstream games, and will be quite new to many accessible gamers I think, but it is more realistic and shouldn't be too hard to get use to. As far as any other differences such as weather or not I'll keep the random monsters and items I haven't decided. As I said a couple of days ago there are pros and cons with both. If I keep it the games will definitely be different from game to game which is good. If I get rid of it then I have to figure out where to put everything and rebalance the game which could be time consuming. So I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. In regards to more Tomb Hunter games I definitely plan on it. However, the 3d fps game isn't going to be based on any of the stories I am creating for Tomb Hunter II and so forth. For one thing I haven't purchased all the sounds I need for Tomb Hunter II, and nor would I create two different games seeing as the fps version is merely going to be Mysteries of the Ancients done my way and the side-scroller is the 2d version many people wanted to replace Montezuma's Revenge. Cheers! On 6/24/10, dark wrote: Hi Tom. As a fan of both styles of game this deffinately pleases me, however I do have one question. Will the 3D version feature the same enemies, traps and obstacles as the side scroller version? will we stil have harpies, centaurs etc? and will we stil be in griece? I was just wondering, sinse I know you've often spoken about carrying on the tombhunter series into further 3D adventures, whether this will be a different setting, for instance an egyptian or Aztec toomb. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can ma
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Hi Dark, Hahaha...Yeah, I don't think tanks can climb up ropes, move up/down on staircases, and jump over chasms, and all the other things you'll have to do in MOTA. However, as you pointed out yes you will have to raise and lower your guns using the pov keys page up and page down in order to shoot an enemy target as well as be facing the proper direction of course. I am still working on the audio navigation aspect as well as the 3d view commands, but that's what beta testing is for. We can find out what works and don't work for gamers. Especially, since this is breaking new ground for many totally blind gamers who have never played Jedi Knight, Tomb Raider, Indiana Jones, whatever and had to deal with things in all directions. Not just north, south, east, and west but above and below you as well. On 6/25/10, dark wrote: > I suspect Bryan that Mota 3D will be even more so than tank commander, sinse > tanks don't tend to do much climbing around or moving up and down > themselves, where as dr. carter will. > > So, I assume it might be possible to combat a flying harpy either by raising > your gun, or by climbing a rope until your on the same horizontal plane and > the harpy then letting fly. > > This is one reason i'll be interested to see what Tom comes up with in terms > of navigation, sinse there are likely to be a lot of possible actions to > take at one time, and a lot of information about the environment which needs > to be conveyed by sound. > > Beware the Grue! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Maybe. However, I've already drawn a few rooms and there are also things people will have to unlearn to play the fps version just because some concepts are different. For example, in the side-scroller the rooms are aligned on an east-west acces. You move east until you reach the end of the level. However, in the fps version I have aligned the rooms on a north/south axis with you starting on the south end, and move north to the end of the level. I think this will make it easier for some gamers to grasp the 3d concepts as most of the time they have to move north or south to explore the rooms and the east/west movements are only needed to move around in the rooms themselves. Plus I've made it easy by centering the doors in each room. All and all this is going to be a simplified version of what I had originally planned, but since this is the first of its kind I don't want to come up with a maze like Shades of Doom did which scared some players off of fps games for good when not all fps games have mazes in them or need them. Smile. On 6/25/10, dark wrote: > Hi Tom. > > I'll be interested to see how this one works out, particularly how 3D > navigation and targiting will function. Actually, having the same layout in > two different games might also help people get used to the 3D game a lot > more sinse it'll be possible to learn things like level layout and enemy > sounds and attacks from playing the 2D version which might be more familiar > to some people. > > Beware the Grue! > > Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Ron, Torches don't have anything to do with you jumping. I'm not sure what your problem is, but next time you want to jump use control+w to make sure your weapons are properly holstered so they don't get in your way when jumping the chasms. Also you might want to use the v key to make sure the chasm is 0 meters away. Other than that hold down the control+arrow key until you safely make it to the other side. HTH On 6/24/10, RONALD HOPKINS wrote: > Hello again. This is Ron. Well, I shief the weapon, when I approach the > casm, I take one step and then I hear the crumble and then I jump, but when > I jump to the right, I always dye. Should I not have the torch light? as I > said before my weapons are holstered or shieved. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Charles, Well, for one thing there will still be the view command. Obviously, that will give you all of the infermation you need such as if it is above you, below you, to the left, to the right, whatever. I'm also considering doing what GMA does in Tank Commander where you cycle through a list of available targets with something like the n key and can use d to get the enemies direction and maybe control d for distance. This is something we can test when it gos into beta testing. A lot of this is ideas on my part, but haven't been tested because I simply haven't tried it before. I am as to new to this kind of audio game as you are in some aspects. On 6/24/10, Charles Rivard wrote: > I suppose I'll find out when the game comes out, but how will you be able to > determine if an enemy is, say northwest or southeast of you but also 4 feet > above or below you? Also, might a flying enemy rise or lower it's flight as > it attacks, making it harder to locate during flight? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Allen, No, you won't specifically need a surround sound setup. It is one of those cases where if you have a surround sound setup the game certainly should be able to use it to full effect, but if you don't it will fall back to simple 2d stereo panning. If you have ever played Shades of Doom or Tank Commander basicly that's what happens when you put on a set of regular stereo headphones. They aren't surround sound so they reproduce the sound in a simple 2d stereo format which works, you can play the game, but you lose the full effect of the surround sound. Make sense? Eventually, when Streemway is converted to XAudio2 I'll look into supporting 5.1 and 7.1 sound cards and speaker setups more specifically, but for the time being I'm not going to require that high tech for the fps version of MOTA. Especially, since I know the average gamer out here has pretty generic audio hardware that gets shipped in Compaqs, HP, Gateway, etc type computers. In other words cheap e-machine hardware that gets the job done but isn't spectacular. So I have to take that into account when designing my games. On 6/24/10, Allen wrote: > Hi, Thomas, > > Will the user of the 3d version need to have a surround sound speaker system > in oerder to play? > > Thanks > > Allen --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, Good approach. I can say from experience that Shades of Doom most certainly put me off 3d based games. Technoshock, Shades of Doom, Tank Commander etc were all an absolute nightmare for me, especially if you have the capabilities of turning around, since you need so much precision to get to where you need to go that it just is mostly too complicated. But of course, I will give the 3d version of your game a go and see if that likes me enough to let me get buy. Smile. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Dark, Maybe. However, I've already drawn a few rooms and there are also things people will have to unlearn to play the fps version just because some concepts are different. For example, in the side-scroller the rooms are aligned on an east-west acces. You move east until you reach the end of the level. However, in the fps version I have aligned the rooms on a north/south axis with you starting on the south end, and move north to the end of the level. I think this will make it easier for some gamers to grasp the 3d concepts as most of the time they have to move north or south to explore the rooms and the east/west movements are only needed to move around in the rooms themselves. Plus I've made it easy by centering the doors in each room. All and all this is going to be a simplified version of what I had originally planned, but since this is the first of its kind I don't want to come up with a maze like Shades of Doom did which scared some players off of fps games for good when not all fps games have mazes in them or need them. Smile. On 6/25/10, dark wrote: Hi Tom. I'll be interested to see how this one works out, particularly how 3D navigation and targiting will function. Actually, having the same layout in two different games might also help people get used to the 3D game a lot more sinse it'll be possible to learn things like level layout and enemy sounds and attacks from playing the 2D version which might be more familiar to some people. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, The problem I tend to find is that you can turn around and, yes, all the sounds will pan. But I can never tell if a certain sound is behind you or in front of you, and then of course I walk forward and the sound is fading away, and then I realise that I must in fact be going backwards. That's where the real confusion comes in. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Allen, No, you won't specifically need a surround sound setup. It is one of those cases where if you have a surround sound setup the game certainly should be able to use it to full effect, but if you don't it will fall back to simple 2d stereo panning. If you have ever played Shades of Doom or Tank Commander basicly that's what happens when you put on a set of regular stereo headphones. They aren't surround sound so they reproduce the sound in a simple 2d stereo format which works, you can play the game, but you lose the full effect of the surround sound. Make sense? Eventually, when Streemway is converted to XAudio2 I'll look into supporting 5.1 and 7.1 sound cards and speaker setups more specifically, but for the time being I'm not going to require that high tech for the fps version of MOTA. Especially, since I know the average gamer out here has pretty generic audio hardware that gets shipped in Compaqs, HP, Gateway, etc type computers. In other words cheap e-machine hardware that gets the job done but isn't spectacular. So I have to take that into account when designing my games. On 6/24/10, Allen wrote: Hi, Thomas, Will the user of the 3d version need to have a surround sound speaker system in oerder to play? Thanks Allen --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Bryan, Hmmm...Not really. I think the best way to explain it is by letting you play the demo when it is ready to play. Some concepts are best understood when experience personally rather than just hearing it through words. For example, the concept of colors. I've heard many totally blind friends describe colors like yellow as warm and hot like the sun, the color blue is cool and wet like the ocean, green is soft and smells good like fresh cut grass, whatever. All of these are good verbal descriptions, but that still does not tell the blind person exactly what blue, green, or yellow actually looks like. It only tells them what it feels like. It is a conceptual thing you can only experience rather than describe. I think the same kind of concept applies here. For many when you mention fps they automatically think of Shades of Doom since that is what they are familiar with, but I don't think they fully realise that it is a fairly simple fps type game. There are plenty of things you can't do like jump over traps, climb up or down on things, have to crawl under something, have to worry about enemies above and below your position, whatever. Until you have experienced the difference for yourself the best you can compare a game like this too is Shades of Doom or Sarah. I plan to go a few steps beyond that towards a more modern mainstream type design. On 6/24/10, Bryan Peterson wrote: > So in short something like a combination of Shades of Doom and Tank > Commander? I know Tank Commander did require you to raise or lower your gun > in order to achieve the proper firing range for the target. > We are the Knights who say...Ni! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, That'll be interesting. I've never really played any mainstream games, at least properly, knowing what I am doing, since I have been blind all my life, so it should certainly be interesting to see what a mainstream game is actually like based purely around audio. To be honest I always imagined the games that are out there to be like mainstream games, like Super Liam and Q9. I didn't realise just how complicated they were. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Bryan, Hmmm...Not really. I think the best way to explain it is by letting you play the demo when it is ready to play. Some concepts are best understood when experience personally rather than just hearing it through words. For example, the concept of colors. I've heard many totally blind friends describe colors like yellow as warm and hot like the sun, the color blue is cool and wet like the ocean, green is soft and smells good like fresh cut grass, whatever. All of these are good verbal descriptions, but that still does not tell the blind person exactly what blue, green, or yellow actually looks like. It only tells them what it feels like. It is a conceptual thing you can only experience rather than describe. I think the same kind of concept applies here. For many when you mention fps they automatically think of Shades of Doom since that is what they are familiar with, but I don't think they fully realise that it is a fairly simple fps type game. There are plenty of things you can't do like jump over traps, climb up or down on things, have to crawl under something, have to worry about enemies above and below your position, whatever. Until you have experienced the difference for yourself the best you can compare a game like this too is Shades of Doom or Sarah. I plan to go a few steps beyond that towards a more modern mainstream type design. On 6/24/10, Bryan Peterson wrote: So in short something like a combination of Shades of Doom and Tank Commander? I know Tank Commander did require you to raise or lower your gun in order to achieve the proper firing range for the target. We are the Knights who say...Ni! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Damien, That's another thing people make a mistake about. Shades of doom is actually a 2d fps not 3d fps because there is no up/down movement in the game. There is only north, south, east, and west directions, an x/y axis, which restricts it to a 2d plain. My new fps version of MOTA will have a true 3d environment with an x, y, and z axis of movement. Anyway, like I said I've decided to simplefy the levels somewhat since I know a lot of people complained about the way Shades of Dooms levels are laid out. It will be hard enough for some gamers to get use to a full 3d environment without turning it into a complicated maze as well. Smile. On 6/25/10, Damien Pendleton wrote: > Hi Thomas, > Good approach. I can say from experience that Shades of Doom most certainly > put me off 3d based games. Technoshock, Shades of Doom, Tank Commander etc > were all an absolute nightmare for me, especially if you have the > capabilities of turning around, since you need so much precision to get to > where you need to go that it just is mostly too complicated. But of course, > I will give the 3d version of your game a go and see if that likes me enough > to let me get buy. Smile. > Regards, > Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Damien, That is where things like the object locator comes in handy. In Shades of Doom if you press control+o, I think it is, it will tell you if the nearest object is ahead, behind, to your left, to your right, whatever. If you have problems zeroing in on the sound itself it is a good idea to fallback on the other features in the game like that to give you some verbal clues so you shouldn't get too confused that way. On 6/25/10, Damien Pendleton wrote: > Hi, > The problem I tend to find is that you can turn around and, yes, all the > sounds will pan. But I can never tell if a certain sound is behind you or in > front of you, and then of course I walk forward and the sound is fading > away, and then I realise that I must in fact be going backwards. That's > where the real confusion comes in. > Regards, > Damien. > > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, I added a simulated third dimension to the Sarah game which happens when she is flying on her broom. I imagine she is about 10 feet in the air so the Caretaker, Goblin or Trolls can't reach her, but the flying Peeves and ghosts can/ Plus there are a few items she can't get to unless on the broom like trap doors in the ceiling. The only thing I restrict her from picking up while on the broom are the coins left on the floor. All this is done with a few variables rather than creating a third dimension. Phil - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Damien, That's another thing people make a mistake about. Shades of doom is actually a 2d fps not 3d fps because there is no up/down movement in the game. There is only north, south, east, and west directions, an x/y axis, which restricts it to a 2d plain. My new fps version of MOTA will have a true 3d environment with an x, y, and z axis of movement. Anyway, like I said I've decided to simplefy the levels somewhat since I know a lot of people complained about the way Shades of Dooms levels are laid out. It will be hard enough for some gamers to get use to a full 3d environment without turning it into a complicated maze as well. Smile. On 6/25/10, Damien Pendleton wrote: Hi Thomas, Good approach. I can say from experience that Shades of Doom most certainly put me off 3d based games. Technoshock, Shades of Doom, Tank Commander etc were all an absolute nightmare for me, especially if you have the capabilities of turning around, since you need so much precision to get to where you need to go that it just is mostly too complicated. But of course, I will give the 3d version of your game a go and see if that likes me enough to let me get buy. Smile. Regards, Damien. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2960 - Release Date: 06/24/10 02:35:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Damien, I wouldn't say complicated, at least not from a visual aspect, but I'd say conceptually different from most audio games. Games like Super Liam and Q9 are good games in their own right, but would seam a little primative to a mainstream gamer as they just lack features mainstream gamers take for granted. As I told Lori over on the USA Games list many first-person and third-person games have dozens of movement commands that have never appeared in an audio game before. At least not all at once. For example, here is a typical keyboard layout for a mainstream game for Tomb Raider or something like it. Climb Down control+down arrow Climb Left control+left arrow Climb Right control+right arrow Climb Up control+up arrow Crawl Backward period+down arrow Crawl Forward period+up arrow Crawl Left period+left arrow Crawl Right period+right arrow Crouch/Duck period Draw/Holster Weapon spacebar Fire Weapon controll Jump Backward alt+down arrow Jump Forward control+up arrow Jump Left control+left arrow Jump Right control+right arrow Jump Up alt Look Down page down Look Up page up Open Door enter Reverse Roll end Roll Foward home Run Foward up arrow Sidestep Left shift+left arrow Sidestep Right shift+right arrow Step Backward shift+down arrow Step Foward shift+up arrow Swim Down alt+down arrow Swim Up alt+up arrow Turn Around down arrow Turn Left left arrow Turn Right right arrow As I said it is a pretty big list, and that's just some of the main ones I've seen and used in mainstream games. The Tomb Raider games often have special keys to perform flips, safety drops, and other special movements not listed above. So clearly Shades of Doom and other games made for the audio games community lack the degree of complexity and freedom of movement of the mainstream games. That's just movement mind you. We haven't even started talking about multiple types of ammo for the same weapon, the ability to customize the main character, and other such features that seam to becoming more frequent in mainstream games. There is quite a lot going on in the mainstream market the average audio gamer probibly isn't aware of and is missing. Case in point. Several years ago, perhaps 1996 or so, i had a couple Star Wars games called Rebel Assault I and Rebel Assault II. Even way back then you could click on options and completely customize your x-wing by setting the shield strength, speed, turbolaser effectiveness, etc. It really gave you a lot of choice in how your ex-wing performed in a tie fighter engagement. It could be invincible which didn't really allow you to score, or you could increase the difficulty of the mission by using an x-wing that didn't have a lot of speed, manuverability, and was less effective in combat, but the upshot was if you used an infurior x-wing the higher the score was for every tie fighter you destroyed. Again I haven't quite seen any audio game developer step up to the plate and offer this kind of customizable content other than Entombed which is very customizable. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Phil, Yeah, I know. I purchased Sarah. Smile. However, as you said you simulated a third dimmention rather than created one. That's alright, but if the game were truly 3d something like the basement, for example, would be below the main floor. The kitchen would be below the Great Hall. It doesn't make that much of a difference in Sarah, but it certainly would be more realistic, in my mind at least, if the rooms were truly 3d. That way Sarah could move more freely on her broom ascend and descend on it as desired. Maybe dive out of the way of a ghost or raise the broom to fly over the care taker's head. You see what I mean? Smile. On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: > Hi Thomas, > I added a simulated third dimension to the Sarah game which happens when she > is flying on her broom. > I imagine she is about 10 feet in the air so the Caretaker, Goblin or Trolls > can't reach her, but the flying Peeves and ghosts can/ > Plus there are a few items she can't get to unless on the broom like trap > doors in the ceiling. > The only thing I restrict her from picking up while on the broom are the > coins left on the floor. > All this is done with a few variables rather than creating a third > dimension. > Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Obviously not. But I would imagine it would probably use some of the same basic principles. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 2:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News I suspect Bryan that Mota 3D will be even more so than tank commander, sinse tanks don't tend to do much climbing around or moving up and down themselves, where as dr. carter will. So, I assume it might be possible to combat a flying harpy either by raising your gun, or by climbing a rope until your on the same horizontal plane and the harpy then letting fly. This is one reason i'll be interested to see what Tom comes up with in terms of navigation, sinse there are likely to be a lot of possible actions to take at one time, and a lot of information about the environment which needs to be conveyed by sound. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News So in short something like a combination of Shades of Doom and Tank Commander? I know Tank Commander did require you to raise or lower your gun in order to achieve the proper firing range for the target. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Dark, Oh, its going to essentially be the same game. It will have the same story, same enemies, traps, puzzles, whatever. I could even make the 3d levels similar to there 2d counterparts simply by taking the same levels and simply redrawing each room as a true 3d object complete with four walls, a floor, and a celing. Instead of a 2d room that is say 20 by 8 I could just redraw that room to be 20 by 20 by 8 making it 3d. In other words instead of just length and height each room will have a length, width, and height attribute. The essential difference between the two versions is going to be 3d specific features that you couldn't get in a 2d only game. For example, obviously since the fps version is in 3d that offers you a lot more freedom of movement. Instead of just being able to walk left and right as well as climb up and down on ropes and things the fps version will allow you to move foward, backward, left, right as well as climb up and down on ropes, ladders, staircases, whatever. As I said far more freedom of movement. Targeting will also be a bit different than you are use too. Since we are talking about a truely 3d environment that means aiming your weapons will be a bit trickier since the game will have to calculate a true 3d vector from the player character to the target. For that reason you may have to use the page up key to raise your weapon to target a flying harpy, or use the page down key to lower your weapon in order to target an enemy monster lower to the ground. This is a feature of several mainstream games, and will be quite new to many accessible gamers I think, but it is more realistic and shouldn't be too hard to get use to. As far as any other differences such as weather or not I'll keep the random monsters and items I haven't decided. As I said a couple of days ago there are pros and cons with both. If I keep it the games will definitely be different from game to game which is good. If I get rid of it then I have to figure out where to put everything and rebalance the game which could be time consuming. So I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. In regards to more Tomb Hunter games I definitely plan on it. However, the 3d fps game isn't going to be based on any of the stories I am creating for Tomb Hunter II and so forth. For one thing I haven't purchased all the sounds I need for Tomb Hunter II, and nor would I create two different games seeing as the fps version is merely going to be Mysteries of the Ancients done my way and the side-scroller is the 2d version many people wanted to replace Montezuma's Revenge. Cheers! On 6/24/10, dark wrote: Hi Tom. As a fan of both styles of game this deffinately pleases me, however I do have one question. Will the 3D version feature the same enemies, traps and obstacles as the side scroller version? will we stil have harpies, centaurs etc? and will we stil be in griece? I was just wondering, sinse I know you've often spoken about carrying on the tombhunter series into further 3D adventures, whether this will be a different setting, for instance an egyptian or Aztec toomb. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/ga
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Hi Shaun, I've thought of that, but I think it should be separate installers. For one thing the menu system is going to be slightly different between the two versions which means multiple speech directories and sound directories anyway. Plus if you have saved games, settings, etc those would have to be in separate directories so as not to screw up the other version of the game. So it would be less trouble to install them into two different places like USA Games\Tomb Hunter I (FPS) and then USA Games\Tomb Hunter I (Side-Scroller) for the side-scroller version. HTH On 6/24/10, shaun everiss wrote: > just thought of something. > you could have both games in one installer. > then as a side program have a selecter or have this in the menus or > something play 3d mode play side scroler mode maybe side scroler mode > could be arcade and the other could be standard or something. > I'd buy a game that had 2 versions you could play. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Charles, Lol! Like I said though that mission is warped. I tend to be more serious when playing Lone Wolf and removed all the missions that were, well, off the wall like that one. That has nothing to do with World WarII, and pretty much ignores the Lone Wolf basic storyline. Smile. On 6/24/10, Charles Rivard wrote: > When I'm in the mood just to blow stuff away, the very mission you refer to > is my choice. I enjoy blowing the Clinton administration away. (ornery > grin) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Bill, It is http://www.usagamesinteractive.com Cheers! On 6/24/10, William L. Houts wrote: > > I've been reading about this game forever and am finally driven to download > and give it a try. What is the URL for USA Games? Thanks. > > > > --Bill > > "...a crack in the teacup opens a lane to the land of the dead." > > --Auden > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Thomas, Yeah when Sarah is on her broom, she can not fly up or down. I assume she automatically flies over the caretaker's head as that is most logical. It is like the automatic walking feature with up arrow. I logically assume that if she is walking forward, then she probably will continue to do so rather than forcing the player to make each step with the up arrow key. I do include control up arrow if you wish to manually walk forward. One key combination you did not talk about in your description of movement in a modern game was holding down both control and shift keys for certain movements. You could also use the insert key. as when Jaws is turned off will free up this key. Phil - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Phil, Yeah, I know. I purchased Sarah. Smile. However, as you said you simulated a third dimmention rather than created one. That's alright, but if the game were truly 3d something like the basement, for example, would be below the main floor. The kitchen would be below the Great Hall. It doesn't make that much of a difference in Sarah, but it certainly would be more realistic, in my mind at least, if the rooms were truly 3d. That way Sarah could move more freely on her broom ascend and descend on it as desired. Maybe dive out of the way of a ghost or raise the broom to fly over the care taker's head. You see what I mean? Smile. On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Thomas, I added a simulated third dimension to the Sarah game which happens when she is flying on her broom. I imagine she is about 10 feet in the air so the Caretaker, Goblin or Trolls can't reach her, but the flying Peeves and ghosts can/ Plus there are a few items she can't get to unless on the broom like trap doors in the ceiling. The only thing I restrict her from picking up while on the broom are the coins left on the floor. All this is done with a few variables rather than creating a third dimension. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2960 - Release Date: 06/24/10 02:35:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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hello, is there a way to remap the keystrokes in intombed i have some problems with my laptop since there is no plus i have to press shift 4 and the slash and are there any recordings of entombed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Phil, Yeah, those are used too sometimes. I think in Tomb Raider, if I remember correctly, the shift+control+down arrow combo causes Lara to do a reverse safety drop. Basicly, what that is is she turns around, grabs hold of a ledge or something, and then drops to the ground. Of course, not every mainstream game has this feature, but it is a frequently used one in the Tomb Raider series. As for the automatic walking feature in Sarah I absolutely hate that feature with a passion that's why I have a custom keyboard.ini file that reverses the control+arrow key combo with the standard arrow keys That way the game operates the way I think it should rather than the default setup. Anyway, I guess what I was getting at is that some of us would like to manually do things instead of having it automatically done for you. For me it gives a little more challenge/fun to the game if you have to manually raise the end of the broom to shoot over the care taker's head rather than the game assuming that's what you want to do anyway and do it for you automatically Its kind of like in Tank Commander where you can set the autorange finder on so it automatically sets the range of the barrel, but that's kind of no fun for me. I like leaving it off and sight the barrel myself using the home and end keys. Makes it more fun and a little more challenging some how. Smile. . On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: > Hi Thomas, > Yeah when Sarah is on her broom, she can not fly up or down. I assume she > automatically flies over the caretaker's head as that is most logical. > It is like the automatic walking feature with up arrow. I logically assume > that if she is walking forward, then she probably will continue to do so > rather than forcing the player to make each step with the up arrow key. > I do include control up arrow if you wish to manually walk forward. > One key combination you did not talk about in your description of movement > in a modern game was holding down both control and shift keys for certain > movements. > You could also use the insert key. as when Jaws is turned off will free up > this key. > Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Thomas, There is always a trade off when you put some things in as automatic rather then manual. With automatic you don't have to have so many things to think about, but you loose the ability to do things that the automatic feature doesn't anticipate. I thought being on a broom would allow Sarah to zoom over the head of the caretaker so I set his action to attack her to off when she is on a broom. But as the ghosts could appear out of a wall or ceiling, I didn't think she would be quite as able to avoid them. Plus with a patronus on she might just want to run into them. But having a way to indicate altitude would help if the flying creatures were also described. So if Sarah was at ten feet and the ceiling was at twelve, then the ghost at ten feet would be difficult to avoid unless she zoomed under it but that would put her in the range of the caretaker. At some point the faster you move the less time you have to listen for the description of what is around you,unless it was done with avoidance beeps. Phil - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Phil, Yeah, those are used too sometimes. I think in Tomb Raider, if I remember correctly, the shift+control+down arrow combo causes Lara to do a reverse safety drop. Basicly, what that is is she turns around, grabs hold of a ledge or something, and then drops to the ground. Of course, not every mainstream game has this feature, but it is a frequently used one in the Tomb Raider series. As for the automatic walking feature in Sarah I absolutely hate that feature with a passion that's why I have a custom keyboard.ini file that reverses the control+arrow key combo with the standard arrow keys That way the game operates the way I think it should rather than the default setup. Anyway, I guess what I was getting at is that some of us would like to manually do things instead of having it automatically done for you. For me it gives a little more challenge/fun to the game if you have to manually raise the end of the broom to shoot over the care taker's head rather than the game assuming that's what you want to do anyway and do it for you automatically Its kind of like in Tank Commander where you can set the autorange finder on so it automatically sets the range of the barrel, but that's kind of no fun for me. I like leaving it off and sight the barrel myself using the home and end keys. Makes it more fun and a little more challenging some how. Smile. . On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Thomas, Yeah when Sarah is on her broom, she can not fly up or down. I assume she automatically flies over the caretaker's head as that is most logical. It is like the automatic walking feature with up arrow. I logically assume that if she is walking forward, then she probably will continue to do so rather than forcing the player to make each step with the up arrow key. I do include control up arrow if you wish to manually walk forward. One key combination you did not talk about in your description of movement in a modern game was holding down both control and shift keys for certain movements. You could also use the insert key. as when Jaws is turned off will free up this key. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2960 - Release Date: 06/24/10 02:35:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] entombed
You can't remap keys. My audio games for the blind group. Discussions off topic are welcome in the holidays. Talking about games is welcome, talking about computer problems is welcome when their are know holidays but that's only in easter holidays or know holidays. If you want to joyn, just send a blank email to. audiogamesfortheblind+subscr...@googlegroups.com With the subject subscribe in the subject line. Contact infermation. email: muhamme...@googlemail.com msn: muhammed123...@hotmail.co.uk Skype: muhammed.deniz Klango username. muhammed - Original Message - From: "ENES SARIBAS" To: Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:21 PM Subject: [Audyssey] entombed hello, is there a way to remap the keystrokes in intombed i have some problems with my laptop since there is no plus i have to press shift 4 and the slash and are there any recordings of entombed --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Technoshock help level 2
Hi could someone help me with Technoshock level2? After I take the medkit and hit the switch on level2 a door opens I hear a loud alram sound then fireballs hit me and I get killed! I tried ducking and that works but I don't go anywhere and the fireballs don't stop coming. What do I do? Thanks from Lori. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Technoshock help level 2
Would you like some heop from real players who had the same problem and talk live? Send a private message containing your contact info and I will help yo as best I can. Thanks from Alfredo #tcot --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] lone wolf missions
There is a mission that someone wrote that was called "bs" or something like that. When I tried it, I was immediately sunk. --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question Hi Charles, Lol! Like I said though that mission is warped. I tend to be more serious when playing Lone Wolf and removed all the missions that were, well, off the wall like that one. That has nothing to do with World WarII, and pretty much ignores the Lone Wolf basic storyline. Smile. On 6/24/10, Charles Rivard wrote: When I'm in the mood just to blow stuff away, the very mission you refer to is my choice. I enjoy blowing the Clinton administration away. (ornery grin) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Technoshock help level 2
Hi Alfredo, I need some help with that as well, email is hdpres...@hotmail.com. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Lori Duncan Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:14 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Technoshock help level 2 Hi could someone help me with Technoshock level2? After I take the medkit and hit the switch on level2 a door opens I hear a loud alram sound then fireballs hit me and I get killed! I tried ducking and that works but I don't go anywhere and the fireballs don't stop coming. What do I do? Thanks from Lori. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] lone wolf missions
Hi Thomas, Indeed, I haven't gone through my missions to see which ones are completely useless, I just got all the ones the PKB Group had with their soundpack. I was curious enough to about mission 92 to look at it's title, and correct me if I'm wrong but I never heard of such a thing as a torpedo jammer in World War II. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:50 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] lone wolf missions There is a mission that someone wrote that was called "bs" or something like that. When I tried it, I was immediately sunk. --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] question > Hi Charles, > Lol! Like I said though that mission is warped. I tend to be more > serious when playing Lone Wolf and removed all the missions that were, > well, off the wall like that one. That has nothing to do with World > WarII, and pretty much ignores the Lone Wolf basic storyline. > Smile. > > On 6/24/10, Charles Rivard wrote: >> When I'm in the mood just to blow stuff away, the very mission you refer >> to >> is my choice. I enjoy blowing the Clinton administration away. (ornery >> grin) > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi, I must ask this. Is the object in Sarah to get out of the castle? Just wondering since there seems to quite a lot to do and check out, and me not playing it yet, I don't even know what all there is. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:28 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Phil, Yeah, those are used too sometimes. I think in Tomb Raider, if I remember correctly, the shift+control+down arrow combo causes Lara to do a reverse safety drop. Basicly, what that is is she turns around, grabs hold of a ledge or something, and then drops to the ground. Of course, not every mainstream game has this feature, but it is a frequently used one in the Tomb Raider series. As for the automatic walking feature in Sarah I absolutely hate that feature with a passion that's why I have a custom keyboard.ini file that reverses the control+arrow key combo with the standard arrow keys That way the game operates the way I think it should rather than the default setup. Anyway, I guess what I was getting at is that some of us would like to manually do things instead of having it automatically done for you. For me it gives a little more challenge/fun to the game if you have to manually raise the end of the broom to shoot over the care taker's head rather than the game assuming that's what you want to do anyway and do it for you automatically Its kind of like in Tank Commander where you can set the autorange finder on so it automatically sets the range of the barrel, but that's kind of no fun for me. I like leaving it off and sight the barrel myself using the home and end keys. Makes it more fun and a little more challenging some how. Smile. . On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: > Hi Thomas, > Yeah when Sarah is on her broom, she can not fly up or down. I assume she > automatically flies over the caretaker's head as that is most logical. > It is like the automatic walking feature with up arrow. I logically assume > that if she is walking forward, then she probably will continue to do so > rather than forcing the player to make each step with the up arrow key. > I do include control up arrow if you wish to manually walk forward. > One key combination you did not talk about in your description of movement > in a modern game was holding down both control and shift keys for certain > movements. > You could also use the insert key. as when Jaws is turned off will free up > this key. > Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Download
Hi Thomas, So, you're going to release the sidescroller and FPS for BETA 13 at the same time, correct? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:00 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Download Hi Bill, It is http://www.usagamesinteractive.com Cheers! On 6/24/10, William L. Houts wrote: > > I've been reading about this game forever and am finally driven to download > and give it a try. What is the URL for USA Games? Thanks. > > > > --Bill > > "...a crack in the teacup opens a lane to the land of the dead." > > --Auden > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] MOTA Instructions
Hi, I've downloaded MOTA now and it sounds fun, but I can't figure out how to do things besides move left and right. How do you light a torch, draw a sword, jump and so forth? Is there an in game tutorial or something? Thanks. Bill "...a crack in the teacup opens a lane to the land of the dead." --Auden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
I like the GMA approach. I like your idea of making both types of the same game, and I'll bet that you will! be! selling! them. I already know that I will get the one game I have not already prepaid for, and hope others do the same. --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 4:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Charles, Well, for one thing there will still be the view command. Obviously, that will give you all of the infermation you need such as if it is above you, below you, to the left, to the right, whatever. I'm also considering doing what GMA does in Tank Commander where you cycle through a list of available targets with something like the n key and can use d to get the enemies direction and maybe control d for distance. This is something we can test when it gos into beta testing. A lot of this is ideas on my part, but haven't been tested because I simply haven't tried it before. I am as to new to this kind of audio game as you are in some aspects. On 6/24/10, Charles Rivard wrote: I suppose I'll find out when the game comes out, but how will you be able to determine if an enemy is, say northwest or southeast of you but also 4 feet above or below you? Also, might a flying enemy rise or lower it's flight as it attacks, making it harder to locate during flight? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
So, your original plans of making the rooms more elaborately laid out are in our future, once we get used to the 3D concepts? --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 4:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Dark, Maybe. However, I've already drawn a few rooms and there are also things people will have to unlearn to play the fps version just because some concepts are different. For example, in the side-scroller the rooms are aligned on an east-west acces. You move east until you reach the end of the level. However, in the fps version I have aligned the rooms on a north/south axis with you starting on the south end, and move north to the end of the level. I think this will make it easier for some gamers to grasp the 3d concepts as most of the time they have to move north or south to explore the rooms and the east/west movements are only needed to move around in the rooms themselves. Plus I've made it easy by centering the doors in each room. All and all this is going to be a simplified version of what I had originally planned, but since this is the first of its kind I don't want to come up with a maze like Shades of Doom did which scared some players off of fps games for good when not all fps games have mazes in them or need them. Smile. On 6/25/10, dark wrote: Hi Tom. I'll be interested to see how this one works out, particularly how 3D navigation and targiting will function. Actually, having the same layout in two different games might also help people get used to the 3D game a lot more sinse it'll be possible to learn things like level layout and enemy sounds and attacks from playing the 2D version which might be more familiar to some people. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions
Hi Wiliam, Sigh. How many people forget to read the user guide? Check in the Mysteries of the Ancients sub menu. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of William L. Houts Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:03 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions Hi, I've downloaded MOTA now and it sounds fun, but I can't figure out how to do things besides move left and right. How do you light a torch, draw a sword, jump and so forth? Is there an in game tutorial or something? Thanks. Bill "...a crack in the teacup opens a lane to the land of the dead." --Auden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Thomas, That's quite the list of key strokes. I once remember telling a friend about Shades of Doom, but before I'd gotten to the end of my description, I remember him saying something about he wasn't listening anymore, that it had gotten to sound complicated a long time ago. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 6:13 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Damien, I wouldn't say complicated, at least not from a visual aspect, but I'd say conceptually different from most audio games. Games like Super Liam and Q9 are good games in their own right, but would seam a little primative to a mainstream gamer as they just lack features mainstream gamers take for granted. As I told Lori over on the USA Games list many first-person and third-person games have dozens of movement commands that have never appeared in an audio game before. At least not all at once. For example, here is a typical keyboard layout for a mainstream game for Tomb Raider or something like it. Climb Down control+down arrow Climb Left control+left arrow Climb Right control+right arrow Climb Up control+up arrow Crawl Backward period+down arrow Crawl Forward period+up arrow Crawl Left period+left arrow Crawl Right period+right arrow Crouch/Duck period Draw/Holster Weapon spacebar Fire Weapon controll Jump Backward alt+down arrow Jump Forward control+up arrow Jump Left control+left arrow Jump Right control+right arrow Jump Up alt Look Down page down Look Up page up Open Door enter Reverse Roll end Roll Foward home Run Foward up arrow Sidestep Left shift+left arrow Sidestep Right shift+right arrow Step Backward shift+down arrow Step Foward shift+up arrow Swim Down alt+down arrow Swim Up alt+up arrow Turn Around down arrow Turn Left left arrow Turn Right right arrow As I said it is a pretty big list, and that's just some of the main ones I've seen and used in mainstream games. The Tomb Raider games often have special keys to perform flips, safety drops, and other special movements not listed above. So clearly Shades of Doom and other games made for the audio games community lack the degree of complexity and freedom of movement of the mainstream games. That's just movement mind you. We haven't even started talking about multiple types of ammo for the same weapon, the ability to customize the main character, and other such features that seam to becoming more frequent in mainstream games. There is quite a lot going on in the mainstream market the average audio gamer probibly isn't aware of and is missing. Case in point. Several years ago, perhaps 1996 or so, i had a couple Star Wars games called Rebel Assault I and Rebel Assault II. Even way back then you could click on options and completely customize your x-wing by setting the shield strength, speed, turbolaser effectiveness, etc. It really gave you a lot of choice in how your ex-wing performed in a tie fighter engagement. It could be invincible which didn't really allow you to score, or you could increase the difficulty of the mission by using an x-wing that didn't have a lot of speed, manuverability, and was less effective in combat, but the upshot was if you used an infurior x-wing the higher the score was for every tie fighter you destroyed. Again I haven't quite seen any audio game developer step up to the plate and offer this kind of customizable content other than Entombed which is very customizable. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi, One thing I'm glad that David fixed was the fact that the EVA gave you no idea as to what kind of object you are approaching. True, you can always hit control o and hear the object, but... Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 5:32 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Damien, That is where things like the object locator comes in handy. In Shades of Doom if you press control+o, I think it is, it will tell you if the nearest object is ahead, behind, to your left, to your right, whatever. If you have problems zeroing in on the sound itself it is a good idea to fallback on the other features in the game like that to give you some verbal clues so you shouldn't get too confused that way. On 6/25/10, Damien Pendleton wrote: > Hi, > The problem I tend to find is that you can turn around and, yes, all the > sounds will pan. But I can never tell if a certain sound is behind you or in > front of you, and then of course I walk forward and the sound is fading > away, and then I realise that I must in fact be going backwards. That's > where the real confusion comes in. > Regards, > Damien. > > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Thomas, I'm definitely glad you've simplified this a bit (the only areas I've figured out for myself without help are 7, 8, and 9 in Shades of Doom) though I do hope things will get a little more maze-like farther in. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 4:29 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Dark, Maybe. However, I've already drawn a few rooms and there are also things people will have to unlearn to play the fps version just because some concepts are different. For example, in the side-scroller the rooms are aligned on an east-west acces. You move east until you reach the end of the level. However, in the fps version I have aligned the rooms on a north/south axis with you starting on the south end, and move north to the end of the level. I think this will make it easier for some gamers to grasp the 3d concepts as most of the time they have to move north or south to explore the rooms and the east/west movements are only needed to move around in the rooms themselves. Plus I've made it easy by centering the doors in each room. All and all this is going to be a simplified version of what I had originally planned, but since this is the first of its kind I don't want to come up with a maze like Shades of Doom did which scared some players off of fps games for good when not all fps games have mazes in them or need them. Smile. On 6/25/10, dark wrote: > Hi Tom. > > I'll be interested to see how this one works out, particularly how 3D > navigation and targiting will function. Actually, having the same layout in > two different games might also help people get used to the 3D game a lot > more sinse it'll be possible to learn things like level layout and enemy > sounds and attacks from playing the 2D version which might be more familiar > to some people. > > Beware the Grue! > > Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions
Unfortunately, far too many. It would greatly reduce the game developer's time as far as tech support if gamers would follow the provided instructions. That is why they exist. --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions Hi Wiliam, Sigh. How many people forget to read the user guide? Check in the Mysteries of the Ancients sub menu. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of William L. Houts Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:03 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions Hi, I've downloaded MOTA now and it sounds fun, but I can't figure out how to do things besides move left and right. How do you light a torch, draw a sword, jump and so forth? Is there an in game tutorial or something? Thanks. Bill "...a crack in the teacup opens a lane to the land of the dead." --Auden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Hayden, Your main objective is to find a way to get out of the castle. Once out you have another challenge of catching the golden snitch. Phil - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi, I must ask this. Is the object in Sarah to get out of the castle? Just wondering since there seems to quite a lot to do and check out, and me not playing it yet, I don't even know what all there is. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:28 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Phil, Yeah, those are used too sometimes. I think in Tomb Raider, if I remember correctly, the shift+control+down arrow combo causes Lara to do a reverse safety drop. Basicly, what that is is she turns around, grabs hold of a ledge or something, and then drops to the ground. Of course, not every mainstream game has this feature, but it is a frequently used one in the Tomb Raider series. As for the automatic walking feature in Sarah I absolutely hate that feature with a passion that's why I have a custom keyboard.ini file that reverses the control+arrow key combo with the standard arrow keys That way the game operates the way I think it should rather than the default setup. Anyway, I guess what I was getting at is that some of us would like to manually do things instead of having it automatically done for you. For me it gives a little more challenge/fun to the game if you have to manually raise the end of the broom to shoot over the care taker's head rather than the game assuming that's what you want to do anyway and do it for you automatically Its kind of like in Tank Commander where you can set the autorange finder on so it automatically sets the range of the barrel, but that's kind of no fun for me. I like leaving it off and sight the barrel myself using the home and end keys. Makes it more fun and a little more challenging some how. Smile. . On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Thomas, Yeah when Sarah is on her broom, she can not fly up or down. I assume she automatically flies over the caretaker's head as that is most logical. It is like the automatic walking feature with up arrow. I logically assume that if she is walking forward, then she probably will continue to do so rather than forcing the player to make each step with the up arrow key. I do include control up arrow if you wish to manually walk forward. One key combination you did not talk about in your description of movement in a modern game was holding down both control and shift keys for certain movements. You could also use the insert key. as when Jaws is turned off will free up this key. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2962 - Release Date: 06/25/10 02:35:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions
Your in-game tutorial is actually an in-folder tutorial, known as the user's guide. Put it to good use. --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: "William L. Houts" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:02 AM Subject: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions Hi, I've downloaded MOTA now and it sounds fun, but I can't figure out how to do things besides move left and right. How do you light a torch, draw a sword, jump and so forth? Is there an in game tutorial or something? Thanks. Bill "...a crack in the teacup opens a lane to the land of the dead." --Auden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Technoshock help level 2
I will, when I have time. Who would like a walkthru I have already made? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Technoshock help level 2
Hi Alfredo, Besides those of us who have already said yes? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Castanedagarcia_Alfredo Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:42 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Technoshock help level 2 I will, when I have time. Who would like a walkthru I have already made? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Technoshock help level 2
I would like one if possible, thanks a lot. Managed to dodge nasty fireball, but now can't get out of the room, the only door is the one with the alarms and I'm scared to go that way as there's still a lot of fireballs floating round. - Original Message - From: "Castanedagarcia_Alfredo" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Technoshock help level 2 I will, when I have time. Who would like a walkthru I have already made? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Phil, After listening to the audio tutorial (of sorts) you did for Sarah that's on the draconis site, I recall hearing the snitch inside the castle. Is it possible to catch it inside? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:06 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Hayden, Your main objective is to find a way to get out of the castle. Once out you have another challenge of catching the golden snitch. Phil - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News > Hi, > I must ask this. Is the object in Sarah to get out of the castle? Just > wondering since there seems to quite a lot to do and check out, and me not > playing it yet, I don't even know what all there is. > > Best Regards, > Hayden > > > -Original Message- > From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On > Behalf Of Thomas Ward > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:28 AM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News > > Hi Phil, > Yeah, those are used too sometimes. I think in Tomb Raider, if I > remember correctly, the shift+control+down arrow combo causes Lara to > do a reverse safety drop. Basicly, what that is is she turns around, > grabs hold of a ledge or something, and then drops to the ground. Of > course, not every mainstream game has this feature, but it is a > frequently used one in the Tomb Raider series. > As for the automatic walking feature in Sarah I absolutely hate that > feature with a passion that's why I have a custom keyboard.ini file > that reverses the control+arrow key combo with the standard arrow keys > That way the game operates the way I think it should rather than the > default setup. > Anyway, I guess what I was getting at is that some of us would like to > manually do things instead of having it automatically done for you. > For me it gives a little more challenge/fun to the game if you have to > manually raise the end of the broom to shoot over the care taker's > head rather than the game assuming that's what you want to do anyway > and do it for you automatically > Its kind of like in Tank Commander where you can set the autorange > finder on so it automatically sets the range of the barrel, but > that's kind of no fun for me. I like leaving it off and sight the > barrel myself using the home and end keys. Makes it more fun and a > little more challenging some how. > > Smile. > . > > On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: >> Hi Thomas, >> Yeah when Sarah is on her broom, she can not fly up or down. I assume she >> automatically flies over the caretaker's head as that is most logical. >> It is like the automatic walking feature with up arrow. I logically >> assume >> that if she is walking forward, then she probably will continue to do so >> rather than forcing the player to make each step with the up arrow key. >> I do include control up arrow if you wish to manually walk forward. >> One key combination you did not talk about in your description of >> movement >> in a modern game was holding down both control and shift keys for certain >> movements. >> You could also use the insert key. as when Jaws is turned off will free > up >> this key. >> Phil > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2962 - Release Date: 06/25/10 02:35:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched
Re: [Audyssey] Technoshock help level 2
Hi Lori, Oh--there's more than "a lot". From my experience, there's an endless supply (curse that skynet computer and Cyberdine). Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Lori Duncan Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:45 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Technoshock help level 2 I would like one if possible, thanks a lot. Managed to dodge nasty fireball, but now can't get out of the room, the only door is the one with the alarms and I'm scared to go that way as there's still a lot of fireballs floating round. - Original Message - From: "Castanedagarcia_Alfredo" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Technoshock help level 2 >I will, when I have time. Who would like a walkthru I have already made? > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions
I have looked at the menu on the game,k but I only find commands for describing the sounds, making game settings and the like. How do I get to the menu which has the instructions? Is it enfolded within one of these? --Bill - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions Hi Wiliam, Sigh. How many people forget to read the user guide? Check in the Mysteries of the Ancients sub menu. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of William L. Houts Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:03 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions Hi, I've downloaded MOTA now and it sounds fun, but I can't figure out how to do things besides move left and right. How do you light a torch, draw a sword, jump and so forth? Is there an in game tutorial or something? Thanks. Bill "...a crack in the teacup opens a lane to the land of the dead." --Auden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions
Hi William, I did not say the in game menu, did I? I said the Mysteries of the Ancients submenu. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of William L. Houts Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:48 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions I have looked at the menu on the game,k but I only find commands for describing the sounds, making game settings and the like. How do I get to the menu which has the instructions? Is it enfolded within one of these? --Bill - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions > Hi Wiliam, > Sigh. How many people forget to read the user guide? Check in the > Mysteries > of the Ancients sub menu. > > Best Regards, > Hayden > > > -Original Message- > From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On > Behalf Of William L. Houts > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:03 AM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions > > > Hi, > > I've downloaded MOTA now and it sounds fun, but I can't figure out how to > do > things besides move left and right. How do you light a torch, draw a > sword, > jump and so forth? Is there an in game tutorial or something? > > Thanks. > > > Bill > > "...a crack in the teacup opens a lane to the land of the dead." > > --Auden > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions
Not inside the game itself. In the program folder on the start menu. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: "William L. Houts" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions I have looked at the menu on the game,k but I only find commands for describing the sounds, making game settings and the like. How do I get to the menu which has the instructions? Is it enfolded within one of these? --Bill - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions Hi Wiliam, Sigh. How many people forget to read the user guide? Check in the Mysteries of the Ancients sub menu. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of William L. Houts Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:03 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions Hi, I've downloaded MOTA now and it sounds fun, but I can't figure out how to do things besides move left and right. How do you light a torch, draw a sword, jump and so forth? Is there an in game tutorial or something? Thanks. Bill "...a crack in the teacup opens a lane to the land of the dead." --Auden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions
Hi Bill, Yes. There is a manual written in html that ships with the game. Open your start menu, go to USA Games, Tomb Hunter I, and then there should be an icon called User's Guide. Press enter on that icon and the manual will open up in your default web browser. HTH On 6/25/10, William L. Houts wrote: > > Hi, > > I've downloaded MOTA now and it sounds fun, but I can't figure out how to do > things besides move left and right. How do you light a torch, draw a sword, > jump and so forth? Is there an in game tutorial or something? > > Thanks. > > > Bill > > "...a crack in the teacup opens a lane to the land of the dead." > > --Auden > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions
Hi Bill, No. The instructions are not inside the game itself although there is a help menu when you press f1 that gives you a quick reference of hot keys. Instead look under the start menu program group for the game to find the actual instruction manual. HTH On 6/25/10, William L. Houts wrote: > > > > I have looked at the menu on the game,k but I only find commands for > describing the sounds, making game settings and the like. How do I get to > the menu which has the instructions? Is it enfolded within one of these? > > > --Bill --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
No. --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Phil, After listening to the audio tutorial (of sorts) you did for Sarah that's on the draconis site, I recall hearing the snitch inside the castle. Is it possible to catch it inside? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:06 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Hayden, Your main objective is to find a way to get out of the castle. Once out you have another challenge of catching the golden snitch. Phil - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi, I must ask this. Is the object in Sarah to get out of the castle? Just wondering since there seems to quite a lot to do and check out, and me not playing it yet, I don't even know what all there is. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:28 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Phil, Yeah, those are used too sometimes. I think in Tomb Raider, if I remember correctly, the shift+control+down arrow combo causes Lara to do a reverse safety drop. Basicly, what that is is she turns around, grabs hold of a ledge or something, and then drops to the ground. Of course, not every mainstream game has this feature, but it is a frequently used one in the Tomb Raider series. As for the automatic walking feature in Sarah I absolutely hate that feature with a passion that's why I have a custom keyboard.ini file that reverses the control+arrow key combo with the standard arrow keys That way the game operates the way I think it should rather than the default setup. Anyway, I guess what I was getting at is that some of us would like to manually do things instead of having it automatically done for you. For me it gives a little more challenge/fun to the game if you have to manually raise the end of the broom to shoot over the care taker's head rather than the game assuming that's what you want to do anyway and do it for you automatically Its kind of like in Tank Commander where you can set the autorange finder on so it automatically sets the range of the barrel, but that's kind of no fun for me. I like leaving it off and sight the barrel myself using the home and end keys. Makes it more fun and a little more challenging some how. Smile. . On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Thomas, Yeah when Sarah is on her broom, she can not fly up or down. I assume she automatically flies over the caretaker's head as that is most logical. It is like the automatic walking feature with up arrow. I logically assume that if she is walking forward, then she probably will continue to do so rather than forcing the player to make each step with the up arrow key. I do include control up arrow if you wish to manually walk forward. One key combination you did not talk about in your description of movement in a modern game was holding down both control and shift keys for certain movements. You could also use the insert key. as when Jaws is turned off will free up this key. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2962 - Release Date: 06/25/10 02:35:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages ar
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Phil, Yeah, I know. Its a tough decision. Especially, since we are in the market of creating accessible games and sometimes that means just doing something automatically for the sake of accessibility verses a bit of realism. Speaking of altitude I've been thinking about that today. Since there is now going to be a 3d version of MOTA that means a 3d coordinates system. Instead of a 2d coordinate like 5 15 we are going to have a 3d coordinate like 5, 1, 15. It is possible to to break this down into two different commands one that gives the altitude and another that gives your position on the grid or we can just spit it out like 5, 1, 15. Any thoughts on this? On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: > Hi Thomas, > There is always a trade off when you put some things in as automatic rather > then manual. > With automatic you don't have to have so many things to think about, but you > loose the ability to do things that the automatic feature doesn't > anticipate. > I thought being on a broom would allow Sarah to zoom over the head of the > caretaker so I set his action to attack her to off when she is on a broom. > But as the ghosts could appear out of a wall or ceiling, I didn't think she > would be quite as able to avoid them. > Plus with a patronus on she might just want to run into them. > But having a way to indicate altitude would help if the flying creatures > were also described. > So if Sarah was at ten feet and the ceiling was at twelve, then the ghost at > ten feet would be difficult to avoid unless she zoomed under it but that > would put her in the range of the caretaker. > At some point the faster you move the less time you have to listen for the > description of what is around you,unless it was done with avoidance beeps. > Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Technoshock help level 2
Could you put it on SendSpace then send the link so any who would want it could download it? Dean - Original Message - From: "Castanedagarcia_Alfredo" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Technoshock help level 2 |I will, when I have time. Who would like a walkthru I have already made? | | --- | Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org | If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. | You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at | http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. | All messages are archived and can be searched and read at | http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. | If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, | please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
I think given the choice I'd rather have two separate commands, sinse I would find 3D navigation and reqalizing how the coordinates change relative to my direction of travel quite difficult to wrap my head around, one reason why I've never been a good lw player. Then again I freely admit my spacial abilities aren't great as I've said before. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Phil, Yeah, I know. Its a tough decision. Especially, since we are in the market of creating accessible games and sometimes that means just doing something automatically for the sake of accessibility verses a bit of realism. Speaking of altitude I've been thinking about that today. Since there is now going to be a 3d version of MOTA that means a 3d coordinates system. Instead of a 2d coordinate like 5 15 we are going to have a 3d coordinate like 5, 1, 15. It is possible to to break this down into two different commands one that gives the altitude and another that gives your position on the grid or we can just spit it out like 5, 1, 15. Any thoughts on this? On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Thomas, There is always a trade off when you put some things in as automatic rather then manual. With automatic you don't have to have so many things to think about, but you loose the ability to do things that the automatic feature doesn't anticipate. I thought being on a broom would allow Sarah to zoom over the head of the caretaker so I set his action to attack her to off when she is on a broom. But as the ghosts could appear out of a wall or ceiling, I didn't think she would be quite as able to avoid them. Plus with a patronus on she might just want to run into them. But having a way to indicate altitude would help if the flying creatures were also described. So if Sarah was at ten feet and the ceiling was at twelve, then the ghost at ten feet would be difficult to avoid unless she zoomed under it but that would put her in the range of the caretaker. At some point the faster you move the less time you have to listen for the description of what is around you,unless it was done with avoidance beeps. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Hayden, Well, given that this will be the first accessible 3d type game of its kind and that some people would like some continuity between the two versions I've elected to keep the levels more or less the same, but in the 3d version the rooms will be in 3d instead of 2d. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you see it, that means the levels won't be very mazelike since the rooms will have a slightly side-scroller feel to them with one long level with rooms aligned on a north/south axis. That means all of the rooms will be in a row with some above and below you like in the side-scroller. However, future games in the series won't have this restriction as I'll be more free to experiment with more complex layouts and try my hand at something a bit different. Anyway, when I release it to the public you guys can try it and let me know what you think. If you think it is too simple, to complicated, whatever. This is basicly an experimental project to test the full 3d features of the Genesis Engine and introduce some of the ideas to the VI community without hitting them with a massively huge maze with all kinds of complicated twists and turns. That's the quickest way to turn someone off on a new concept, and frustrate someone who maybe is trying a 3d fps game for the first time. Smile. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Dark, I see. Well, the reason I asked is one thing I've noticed is several gamers seam to lack some very basic math skills like understanding coordinates such as an x, y, and z axis. For me it seams very basic, but for some they just don't get it at all. I can try and explain it as best as I can in the updated User's Guide, but still for some it will be a new concept they'll have to grasp to really be a pro gamer. As you pointed out this is close to Lone Wolf which does have some 3d aspects to it. You have your x/z coordinates, but then your y axis controls your depth in the game. Some people still have problems with navigation in that game not to mention problems understanding angles and directions using the bearing system. I've not really had any problem with it, but some really do, and I have to think of ways to help gamers over come those hangups in my own games. Smile. On 6/25/10, dark wrote: > I think given the choice I'd rather have two separate commands, sinse I > would find 3D navigation and reqalizing how the coordinates change relative > to my direction of travel quite difficult to wrap my head around, one > reason why I've never been a good lw player. > > Then again I freely admit my spacial abilities aren't great as I've said > before. > > Beware the grue! > > Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions
I found it, thanks. No need to be snotty. --Bill - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions Hi William, I did not say the in game menu, did I? I said the Mysteries of the Ancients submenu. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of William L. Houts Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:48 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions I have looked at the menu on the game,k but I only find commands for describing the sounds, making game settings and the like. How do I get to the menu which has the instructions? Is it enfolded within one of these? --Bill - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions Hi Wiliam, Sigh. How many people forget to read the user guide? Check in the Mysteries of the Ancients sub menu. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of William L. Houts Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:03 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions Hi, I've downloaded MOTA now and it sounds fun, but I can't figure out how to do things besides move left and right. How do you light a torch, draw a sword, jump and so forth? Is there an in game tutorial or something? Thanks. Bill "...a crack in the teacup opens a lane to the land of the dead." --Auden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions
Thanks Thomas. --Bill - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions Hi Bill, Yes. There is a manual written in html that ships with the game. Open your start menu, go to USA Games, Tomb Hunter I, and then there should be an icon called User's Guide. Press enter on that icon and the manual will open up in your default web browser. HTH On 6/25/10, William L. Houts wrote: Hi, I've downloaded MOTA now and it sounds fun, but I can't figure out how to do things besides move left and right. How do you light a torch, draw a sword, jump and so forth? Is there an in game tutorial or something? Thanks. Bill "...a crack in the teacup opens a lane to the land of the dead." --Auden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Charles, Essentially yes. I think we should introduce this style of game to gamers slowly and not introduce everything at once. Even sighted games often start off simple in the beginning and grow more complex as you advance through the game. For example, I have a Xena Warrior Princess game for Play Station that begins with Xena standing in the countryside with a long dirt road leading to a village. There is basically nothing to it accept walk the road and kill a few thieves that jump out and attack Xena while she is on her way to town. While the level is pretty simple it does give you a chanse to get use to the game controls, allows you to figure out how to sword fight against a few wimpy enemies, and just get a good feel for the game in general. However, by level 7 Xena is trapped in a huge 3d maze where the only way out is to find the chamber with the minataur in it, kill him, and then leave the maze via the exit. You see how the game progressed from simple to very complex over a series of levels? Well, I want to do the same with the Tomb Hunter series and with MOTA in particular. I think introducing this kind of game gradually is our best option. HTH On 6/25/10, Charles Rivard wrote: > So, your original plans of making the rooms more elaborately laid out are in > our future, once we get used to the 3D concepts? > --- > In God we trust. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Download
Hi Hayden, Yes, if I can. I haven't seen what all needs doing to create the fps version yet. I've spent a few hours on it already and found several bugs and issues that popped up in the 3d version that were totally unexpected. They are there mainly because they were never tested before in an actual game and are glaring errors/problems I have to fix before any kind of release. So that's going to take some time to work all the bugs out of the fps version. Smile. On 6/25/10, Hayden Presley wrote: > Hi Thomas, > So, you're going to release the sidescroller and FPS for BETA 13 at the same > time, correct? > > Best Regards, > Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] lone wolf missions
Hi Charles, Lol! are you serious? On 6/25/10, Charles Rivard wrote: > There is a mission that someone wrote that was called "bs" or something like > that. When I tried it, I was immediately sunk. > --- > In God we trust. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Thomas, I am ashamed to say I am one of those. I hardly learned much at primary school, which meant I was very much behind at secondary school. My primary school always used the excuse that because I am blind what's the use in teaching me anything, with the result that when I moved on to secondary school I could only do very basic five-year-old style addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. It took them years and years just to get me to understand fractions, decimals and percentages, let alone shapes, trigonometry and angles, which they could never really get started on with me. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Dark, I see. Well, the reason I asked is one thing I've noticed is several gamers seam to lack some very basic math skills like understanding coordinates such as an x, y, and z axis. For me it seams very basic, but for some they just don't get it at all. I can try and explain it as best as I can in the updated User's Guide, but still for some it will be a new concept they'll have to grasp to really be a pro gamer. As you pointed out this is close to Lone Wolf which does have some 3d aspects to it. You have your x/z coordinates, but then your y axis controls your depth in the game. Some people still have problems with navigation in that game not to mention problems understanding angles and directions using the bearing system. I've not really had any problem with it, but some really do, and I have to think of ways to help gamers over come those hangups in my own games. Smile. On 6/25/10, dark wrote: I think given the choice I'd rather have two separate commands, sinse I would find 3D navigation and reqalizing how the coordinates change relative to my direction of travel quite difficult to wrap my head around, one reason why I've never been a good lw player. Then again I freely admit my spacial abilities aren't great as I've said before. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
In my mind, I always have a problem remembering which coordinate is which. Is 5 meaning 5 units along the north/south grid or is it 5 units along the east/west? In chess, there are only 8 squares along each axis, so it is easy to kep track of which square you are on because from left to right are A through H and, from White's perspective, 1 through 8 are from south to north with north being at the top of the map. MOTA will be too large for this to work, but how about something like 2N or S, 5E or W, and 3H, starting at the center of the layout? --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Phil, Yeah, I know. Its a tough decision. Especially, since we are in the market of creating accessible games and sometimes that means just doing something automatically for the sake of accessibility verses a bit of realism. Speaking of altitude I've been thinking about that today. Since there is now going to be a 3d version of MOTA that means a 3d coordinates system. Instead of a 2d coordinate like 5 15 we are going to have a 3d coordinate like 5, 1, 15. It is possible to to break this down into two different commands one that gives the altitude and another that gives your position on the grid or we can just spit it out like 5, 1, 15. Any thoughts on this? On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Thomas, There is always a trade off when you put some things in as automatic rather then manual. With automatic you don't have to have so many things to think about, but you loose the ability to do things that the automatic feature doesn't anticipate. I thought being on a broom would allow Sarah to zoom over the head of the caretaker so I set his action to attack her to off when she is on a broom. But as the ghosts could appear out of a wall or ceiling, I didn't think she would be quite as able to avoid them. Plus with a patronus on she might just want to run into them. But having a way to indicate altitude would help if the flying creatures were also described. So if Sarah was at ten feet and the ceiling was at twelve, then the ghost at ten feet would be difficult to avoid unless she zoomed under it but that would put her in the range of the caretaker. At some point the faster you move the less time you have to listen for the description of what is around you,unless it was done with avoidance beeps. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Download
Aw! Rats!! --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Download Hi Hayden, Yes, if I can. I haven't seen what all needs doing to create the fps version yet. I've spent a few hours on it already and found several bugs and issues that popped up in the 3d version that were totally unexpected. They are there mainly because they were never tested before in an actual game and are glaring errors/problems I have to fix before any kind of release. So that's going to take some time to work all the bugs out of the fps version. Smile. On 6/25/10, Hayden Presley wrote: Hi Thomas, So, you're going to release the sidescroller and FPS for BETA 13 at the same time, correct? Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Tom. Personally, I have no problem conceptualizing the x y z access business, however I have difficulties in understanding how that access changes relative to my characters' movement. While I can get that going up and northeast will cause all coordinates to increase, i find it extremely difficult to plan what sort of thing will happen were I to go down and northeast, or streight down etc. As I have said though, my own spacial abilities are rather lacking, and I tend to play games like shades much the same way as I navigate in real life, ie, by remembering sets of markers and directions to get where I am going, but with no clear mental map of how any given place relates to another. as you said though, if the system is examined in beta versions and functions like view commands, have I visited here commands, useful targiting and object recognition are in the game I think even I will find it playable. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Technoshock help level 2
Or won't it attach to just a standard email, or won't the email send properly that way? - Original Message - From: "Dean Masters" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Technoshock help level 2 Could you put it on SendSpace then send the link so any who would want it could download it? Dean - Original Message - From: "Castanedagarcia_Alfredo" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Technoshock help level 2 |I will, when I have time. Who would like a walkthru I have already made? | | --- | Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org | If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. | You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at | http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. | All messages are archived and can be searched and read at | http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. | If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, | please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
That sort ofprinciple of progressive difficulty and introducing things in a reasonable way has been in right sinse games like marrio brothers and ice climber, and is one of the ideas of good game design, and I'm glad it'll be in mota 3D as well. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Charles Rivard" ; "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Charles, Essentially yes. I think we should introduce this style of game to gamers slowly and not introduce everything at once. Even sighted games often start off simple in the beginning and grow more complex as you advance through the game. For example, I have a Xena Warrior Princess game for Play Station that begins with Xena standing in the countryside with a long dirt road leading to a village. There is basically nothing to it accept walk the road and kill a few thieves that jump out and attack Xena while she is on her way to town. While the level is pretty simple it does give you a chanse to get use to the game controls, allows you to figure out how to sword fight against a few wimpy enemies, and just get a good feel for the game in general. However, by level 7 Xena is trapped in a huge 3d maze where the only way out is to find the chamber with the minataur in it, kill him, and then leave the maze via the exit. You see how the game progressed from simple to very complex over a series of levels? Well, I want to do the same with the Tomb Hunter series and with MOTA in particular. I think introducing this kind of game gradually is our best option. HTH On 6/25/10, Charles Rivard wrote: So, your original plans of making the rooms more elaborately laid out are in our future, once we get used to the 3D concepts? --- In God we trust. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
My maths teacher once told me, remember it's along the passage, upp the stairs and in the door. Ie, x, along, y, up, and z, 3D in out. Even so, I do find it extremely difficult as I said to relate one coordinate to another in terms of direction. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News In my mind, I always have a problem remembering which coordinate is which. Is 5 meaning 5 units along the north/south grid or is it 5 units along the east/west? In chess, there are only 8 squares along each axis, so it is easy to kep track of which square you are on because from left to right are A through H and, from White's perspective, 1 through 8 are from south to north with north being at the top of the map. MOTA will be too large for this to work, but how about something like 2N or S, 5E or W, and 3H, starting at the center of the layout? --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Phil, Yeah, I know. Its a tough decision. Especially, since we are in the market of creating accessible games and sometimes that means just doing something automatically for the sake of accessibility verses a bit of realism. Speaking of altitude I've been thinking about that today. Since there is now going to be a 3d version of MOTA that means a 3d coordinates system. Instead of a 2d coordinate like 5 15 we are going to have a 3d coordinate like 5, 1, 15. It is possible to to break this down into two different commands one that gives the altitude and another that gives your position on the grid or we can just spit it out like 5, 1, 15. Any thoughts on this? On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Thomas, There is always a trade off when you put some things in as automatic rather then manual. With automatic you don't have to have so many things to think about, but you loose the ability to do things that the automatic feature doesn't anticipate. I thought being on a broom would allow Sarah to zoom over the head of the caretaker so I set his action to attack her to off when she is on a broom. But as the ghosts could appear out of a wall or ceiling, I didn't think she would be quite as able to avoid them. Plus with a patronus on she might just want to run into them. But having a way to indicate altitude would help if the flying creatures were also described. So if Sarah was at ten feet and the ceiling was at twelve, then the ghost at ten feet would be difficult to avoid unless she zoomed under it but that would put her in the range of the caretaker. At some point the faster you move the less time you have to listen for the description of what is around you,unless it was done with avoidance beeps. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
I tend to navigate in games the same way I navigate in life. From home, it might be 2 blocks north and a block west to the store, then a block north to the restaurant. To get back home, I could retrace those steps or, seeing as I like to go in straight lines, I could go a block east and then 3 blocks south. The points of interest are always the same, although I might encounter ever-changing obstacles such as trash cans, moving cars in the streets, and so on. I never think about them as going 2 blocks along the x-y coordinate. I think of them in terms of real life directions such as north, south, east, west, up, or down. --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Tom. Personally, I have no problem conceptualizing the x y z access business, however I have difficulties in understanding how that access changes relative to my characters' movement. While I can get that going up and northeast will cause all coordinates to increase, i find it extremely difficult to plan what sort of thing will happen were I to go down and northeast, or streight down etc. As I have said though, my own spacial abilities are rather lacking, and I tend to play games like shades much the same way as I navigate in real life, ie, by remembering sets of markers and directions to get where I am going, but with no clear mental map of how any given place relates to another. as you said though, if the system is examined in beta versions and functions like view commands, have I visited here commands, useful targiting and object recognition are in the game I think even I will find it playable. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Hayden, No, the snitch inside the castle is there to annoy you. You can't catch it or nor do any spells affect it. But then I'm working on an update to the Sarah game, so I may throw in a surprise or two concerning the castle snitch. Phil - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Phil, After listening to the audio tutorial (of sorts) you did for Sarah that's on the draconis site, I recall hearing the snitch inside the castle. Is it possible to catch it inside? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:06 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Hayden, Your main objective is to find a way to get out of the castle. Once out you have another challenge of catching the golden snitch. Phil - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi, I must ask this. Is the object in Sarah to get out of the castle? Just wondering since there seems to quite a lot to do and check out, and me not playing it yet, I don't even know what all there is. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:28 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Phil, Yeah, those are used too sometimes. I think in Tomb Raider, if I remember correctly, the shift+control+down arrow combo causes Lara to do a reverse safety drop. Basicly, what that is is she turns around, grabs hold of a ledge or something, and then drops to the ground. Of course, not every mainstream game has this feature, but it is a frequently used one in the Tomb Raider series. As for the automatic walking feature in Sarah I absolutely hate that feature with a passion that's why I have a custom keyboard.ini file that reverses the control+arrow key combo with the standard arrow keys That way the game operates the way I think it should rather than the default setup. Anyway, I guess what I was getting at is that some of us would like to manually do things instead of having it automatically done for you. For me it gives a little more challenge/fun to the game if you have to manually raise the end of the broom to shoot over the care taker's head rather than the game assuming that's what you want to do anyway and do it for you automatically Its kind of like in Tank Commander where you can set the autorange finder on so it automatically sets the range of the barrel, but that's kind of no fun for me. I like leaving it off and sight the barrel myself using the home and end keys. Makes it more fun and a little more challenging some how. Smile. . On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Thomas, Yeah when Sarah is on her broom, she can not fly up or down. I assume she automatically flies over the caretaker's head as that is most logical. It is like the automatic walking feature with up arrow. I logically assume that if she is walking forward, then she probably will continue to do so rather than forcing the player to make each step with the up arrow key. I do include control up arrow if you wish to manually walk forward. One key combination you did not talk about in your description of movement in a modern game was holding down both control and shift keys for certain movements. You could also use the insert key. as when Jaws is turned off will free up this key. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2962 - Release Date: 06/25/10 02:35:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.o
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Thomas, The altitude number is quite a puzzle. In the existing side scroller game you include the altitude as the second number while the first is how many meters west. To keep it consistent, maybe you should leave those numbers alone while changing the first number as how many meters north. This third number could represent the east west distance but to make it easier to find doors maybe it could represent the distance from the center line of the room. so the game could say 5 meters east of center. Am I crazy, or what? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Phil, Yeah, I know. Its a tough decision. Especially, since we are in the market of creating accessible games and sometimes that means just doing something automatically for the sake of accessibility verses a bit of realism. Speaking of altitude I've been thinking about that today. Since there is now going to be a 3d version of MOTA that means a 3d coordinates system. Instead of a 2d coordinate like 5 15 we are going to have a 3d coordinate like 5, 1, 15. It is possible to to break this down into two different commands one that gives the altitude and another that gives your position on the grid or we can just spit it out like 5, 1, 15. Any thoughts on this? On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Thomas, There is always a trade off when you put some things in as automatic rather then manual. With automatic you don't have to have so many things to think about, but you loose the ability to do things that the automatic feature doesn't anticipate. I thought being on a broom would allow Sarah to zoom over the head of the caretaker so I set his action to attack her to off when she is on a broom. But as the ghosts could appear out of a wall or ceiling, I didn't think she would be quite as able to avoid them. Plus with a patronus on she might just want to run into them. But having a way to indicate altitude would help if the flying creatures were also described. So if Sarah was at ten feet and the ceiling was at twelve, then the ghost at ten feet would be difficult to avoid unless she zoomed under it but that would put her in the range of the caretaker. At some point the faster you move the less time you have to listen for the description of what is around you,unless it was done with avoidance beeps. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2962 - Release Date: 06/25/10 02:35:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Yes, but that's another matter. (grin) --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: "Phil Vlasak" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Thomas, The altitude number is quite a puzzle. In the existing side scroller game you include the altitude as the second number while the first is how many meters west. To keep it consistent, maybe you should leave those numbers alone while changing the first number as how many meters north. This third number could represent the east west distance but to make it easier to find doors maybe it could represent the distance from the center line of the room. so the game could say 5 meters east of center. Am I crazy, or what? smiles, Phil - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Phil, Yeah, I know. Its a tough decision. Especially, since we are in the market of creating accessible games and sometimes that means just doing something automatically for the sake of accessibility verses a bit of realism. Speaking of altitude I've been thinking about that today. Since there is now going to be a 3d version of MOTA that means a 3d coordinates system. Instead of a 2d coordinate like 5 15 we are going to have a 3d coordinate like 5, 1, 15. It is possible to to break this down into two different commands one that gives the altitude and another that gives your position on the grid or we can just spit it out like 5, 1, 15. Any thoughts on this? On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: Hi Thomas, There is always a trade off when you put some things in as automatic rather then manual. With automatic you don't have to have so many things to think about, but you loose the ability to do things that the automatic feature doesn't anticipate. I thought being on a broom would allow Sarah to zoom over the head of the caretaker so I set his action to attack her to off when she is on a broom. But as the ghosts could appear out of a wall or ceiling, I didn't think she would be quite as able to avoid them. Plus with a patronus on she might just want to run into them. But having a way to indicate altitude would help if the flying creatures were also described. So if Sarah was at ten feet and the ceiling was at twelve, then the ghost at ten feet would be difficult to avoid unless she zoomed under it but that would put her in the range of the caretaker. At some point the faster you move the less time you have to listen for the description of what is around you,unless it was done with avoidance beeps. Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2962 - Release Date: 06/25/10 02:35:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Thursday's Out of Sight events
It's very clearly written. The events are listed that you might be interested in, and the site to sign up at is also given. It should?? be perfectly understandable. - Original Message - From: "shaun everiss" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Thursday's Out of Sight events charles. what is all this stuff. I know some others may know but to me it just looks like spam, could you please post a bit more about what all this is, where it is and what this is all about so I can relate to it. At 03:21 p.m. 24/06/2010, you wrote: Announcement: the server will be worked on at 3:00 AM this evening, so you will not be able to get in the rooms at this time. Memory Lane: Please join Suzy this Friday evening, at 8:00 PM eastern, in the Out of Sight Presents room for a very interesting hour with Immigrant. Immigrant will be discussing growing up in Russia and her time in America as well. You won't want to miss this one! Media Madness Beginning on the 1st Monday of next month, Media Madness will be at 8:00 PM eastern instead of at 9:00 PM. Here are the events scheduled for Thursday, June 24th: Sounds of Music 8:00 PM eastern Hosted by James Location: Games Anyone Do you like music? Do you think you are pretty good at identifying songs? If you are, come in to Games Anyone tonight at 8:00 P M Eastern for Sounds of Music where your host James will play the tunes and you'll guess the title and artist. It's men against women so come on in and we'll have a great time. Out of Sight Movie 10:00 PM eastern Hosted by Jim Wilson Location: Entertainment Center Join Jim this evening as he streams a great descriptive movie. Don't forget to bring your popcorn! The Out of Sight main site is at: http://www.out-of-sight.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Thursday's Out of Sight events
Hi Charles, I think he may gb asking about the background of Out of Sight (correct me if I'm wrong Shaun), though is not I'd have to agree, it's all written out very clearly. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 6:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Thursday's Out of Sight events It's very clearly written. The events are listed that you might be interested in, and the site to sign up at is also given. It should?? be perfectly understandable. - Original Message - From: "shaun everiss" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Thursday's Out of Sight events > charles. > what is all this stuff. > I know some others may know but to me it just looks like spam, could you > please post a bit more about what all this is, where it is and what this > is all about so I can relate to it. > At 03:21 p.m. 24/06/2010, you wrote: >>Announcement: >>the server will be worked on at 3:00 AM this evening, so you will not be >>able to get in the rooms at this time. >> >> >>Memory Lane: >>Please join Suzy this Friday evening, at 8:00 PM eastern, in the Out of >>Sight Presents room for a very interesting hour with Immigrant. Immigrant >>will be discussing growing up in Russia and her time in America as well. >>You won't want to miss this one! >> >> >>Media Madness >>Beginning on the 1st Monday of next month, Media Madness will be at 8:00 >>PM eastern instead of at 9:00 PM. >> >> >>Here are the events scheduled for Thursday, June 24th: >> >> >>Sounds of Music >> >>8:00 PM eastern >>Hosted by James >>Location: Games Anyone >>Do you like music? Do you think you are pretty good at identifying songs? >>If you are, come in to Games Anyone tonight at 8:00 P M Eastern for Sounds >>of Music where your host James will play the tunes and you'll guess the >>title and artist. It's men against women so come on in and we'll have a >>great >>time. >> >> >>Out of Sight Movie >>10:00 PM eastern >>Hosted by Jim Wilson >>Location: Entertainment Center >>Join Jim this evening as he streams a great descriptive movie. Don't >>forget to bring your popcorn! >> >> >>The Out of Sight main site is at: >> >>http://www.out-of-sight.net >> >>--- >>Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. >>If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>list, >>please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Phil, Just what I need. Lol. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:35 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Hayden, No, the snitch inside the castle is there to annoy you. You can't catch it or nor do any spells affect it. But then I'm working on an update to the Sarah game, so I may throw in a surprise or two concerning the castle snitch. Phil - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News > Hi Phil, > After listening to the audio tutorial (of sorts) you did for Sarah that's > on > the draconis site, I recall hearing the snitch inside the castle. Is it > possible to catch it inside? > > Best Regards, > Hayden > > > -Original Message- > From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On > Behalf Of Phil Vlasak > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:06 AM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News > > Hi Hayden, > Your main objective is to find a way to get out of the castle. > Once out you have another challenge of catching the golden snitch. > Phil > > - Original Message - > From: "Hayden Presley" > To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News > > >> Hi, >> I must ask this. Is the object in Sarah to get out of the castle? Just >> wondering since there seems to quite a lot to do and check out, and me >> not >> playing it yet, I don't even know what all there is. >> >> Best Regards, >> Hayden >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On >> Behalf Of Thomas Ward >> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:28 AM >> To: Gamers Discussion list >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News >> >> Hi Phil, >> Yeah, those are used too sometimes. I think in Tomb Raider, if I >> remember correctly, the shift+control+down arrow combo causes Lara to >> do a reverse safety drop. Basicly, what that is is she turns around, >> grabs hold of a ledge or something, and then drops to the ground. Of >> course, not every mainstream game has this feature, but it is a >> frequently used one in the Tomb Raider series. >> As for the automatic walking feature in Sarah I absolutely hate that >> feature with a passion that's why I have a custom keyboard.ini file >> that reverses the control+arrow key combo with the standard arrow keys >> That way the game operates the way I think it should rather than the >> default setup. >> Anyway, I guess what I was getting at is that some of us would like to >> manually do things instead of having it automatically done for you. >> For me it gives a little more challenge/fun to the game if you have to >> manually raise the end of the broom to shoot over the care taker's >> head rather than the game assuming that's what you want to do anyway >> and do it for you automatically >> Its kind of like in Tank Commander where you can set the autorange >> finder on so it automatically sets the range of the barrel, but >> that's kind of no fun for me. I like leaving it off and sight the >> barrel myself using the home and end keys. Makes it more fun and a >> little more challenging some how. >> >> Smile. >> . >> >> On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: >>> Hi Thomas, >>> Yeah when Sarah is on her broom, she can not fly up or down. I assume >>> she >>> automatically flies over the caretaker's head as that is most logical. >>> It is like the automatic walking feature with up arrow. I logically >>> assume >>> that if she is walking forward, then she probably will continue to do so >>> rather than forcing the player to make each step with the up arrow key. >>> I do include control up arrow if you wish to manually walk forward. >>> One key combination you did not talk about in your description of >>> movement >>> in a modern game was holding down both control and shift keys for >>> certain >>> movements. >>> You could also use the insert key. as when Jaws is turned off will free >> up >>> this key. >>> Phil >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, a
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi, I've found coordinates moderately useful in certain FPS titles, though not really all of them. Really, the only two I have use of them for or Tank Commander and Loan Wolf. In Shades of doom, they really do have no use for me. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:12 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News In my mind, I always have a problem remembering which coordinate is which. Is 5 meaning 5 units along the north/south grid or is it 5 units along the east/west? In chess, there are only 8 squares along each axis, so it is easy to kep track of which square you are on because from left to right are A through H and, from White's perspective, 1 through 8 are from south to north with north being at the top of the map. MOTA will be too large for this to work, but how about something like 2N or S, 5E or W, and 3H, starting at the center of the layout? --- In God we trust. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News > Hi Phil, > Yeah, I know. Its a tough decision. Especially, since we are in the > market of creating accessible games and sometimes that means just > doing something automatically for the sake of accessibility verses a > bit of realism. > Speaking of altitude I've been thinking about that today. Since there > is now going to be a 3d version of MOTA that means a 3d coordinates > system. Instead of a 2d coordinate like 5 15 we are going to have a 3d > coordinate like 5, 1, 15. It is possible to to break this down into > two different commands one that gives the altitude and another that > gives your position on the grid or we can just spit it out like 5, 1, > 15. Any thoughts on this? > > On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: >> Hi Thomas, >> There is always a trade off when you put some things in as automatic >> rather >> then manual. >> With automatic you don't have to have so many things to think about, but >> you >> loose the ability to do things that the automatic feature doesn't >> anticipate. >> I thought being on a broom would allow Sarah to zoom over the head of the >> caretaker so I set his action to attack her to off when she is on a >> broom. >> But as the ghosts could appear out of a wall or ceiling, I didn't think >> she >> would be quite as able to avoid them. >> Plus with a patronus on she might just want to run into them. >> But having a way to indicate altitude would help if the flying creatures >> were also described. >> So if Sarah was at ten feet and the ceiling was at twelve, then the ghost >> at >> ten feet would be difficult to avoid unless she zoomed under it but that >> would put her in the range of the caretaker. >> At some point the faster you move the less time you have to listen for >> the >> description of what is around you,unless it was done with avoidance >> beeps. >> Phil > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Thomas, Correct me if I am wrong but last time I checked the depth in Loan Wofl was the z axis. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Damien Pendleton Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:09 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Thomas, I am ashamed to say I am one of those. I hardly learned much at primary school, which meant I was very much behind at secondary school. My primary school always used the excuse that because I am blind what's the use in teaching me anything, with the result that when I moved on to secondary school I could only do very basic five-year-old style addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. It took them years and years just to get me to understand fractions, decimals and percentages, let alone shapes, trigonometry and angles, which they could never really get started on with me. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News > Hi Dark, > I see. Well, the reason I asked is one thing I've noticed is several > gamers seam to lack some very basic math skills like understanding > coordinates such as an x, y, and z axis. For me it seams very basic, > but for some they just don't get it at all. I can try and explain it > as best as I can in the updated User's Guide, but still for some it > will be a new concept they'll have to grasp to really be a pro gamer. > As you pointed out this is close to Lone Wolf which does have some 3d > aspects to it. You have your x/z coordinates, but then your y axis > controls your depth in the game. Some people still have problems with > navigation in that game not to mention problems understanding angles > and directions using the bearing system. I've not really had any > problem with it, but some really do, and I have to think of ways to > help gamers over come those hangups in my own games. > > Smile. > > On 6/25/10, dark wrote: >> I think given the choice I'd rather have two separate commands, sinse I >> would find 3D navigation and reqalizing how the coordinates change >> relative >> to my direction of travel quite difficult to wrap my head around, >> one >> reason why I've never been a good lw player. >> >> Then again I freely admit my spacial abilities aren't great as I've said >> before. >> >> Beware the grue! >> >> Dark. > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] lone wolf missions
Hi Charles, All I can say is. Why? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:06 PM To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] lone wolf missions Hi Charles, Lol! are you serious? On 6/25/10, Charles Rivard wrote: > There is a mission that someone wrote that was called "bs" or something like > that. When I tried it, I was immediately sunk. > --- > In God we trust. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions
Hi William, Sorry about that. It's just that to me that was the obvious thing to do, as that's most of the time the first thing I do when I download a game. I guess that's not always the order it's done in for everyone, so please except my apologies. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of William L. Houts Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:35 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions I found it, thanks. No need to be snotty. --Bill - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions > Hi William, > I did not say the in game menu, did I? I said the Mysteries of the > Ancients > submenu. > > Best Regards, > Hayden > > > -Original Message- > From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On > Behalf Of William L. Houts > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:48 AM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions > > > > > I have looked at the menu on the game,k but I only find commands for > describing the sounds, making game settings and the like. How do I get to > the menu which has the instructions? Is it enfolded within one of these? > > > --Bill > > - Original Message - > From: "Hayden Presley" > To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions > > >> Hi Wiliam, >> Sigh. How many people forget to read the user guide? Check in the >> Mysteries >> of the Ancients sub menu. >> >> Best Regards, >> Hayden >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On >> Behalf Of William L. Houts >> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:03 AM >> To: Gamers Discussion list >> Subject: [Audyssey] MOTA Instructions >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I've downloaded MOTA now and it sounds fun, but I can't figure out how to >> do >> things besides move left and right. How do you light a torch, draw a >> sword, >> jump and so forth? Is there an in game tutorial or something? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> Bill >> >> "...a crack in the teacup opens a lane to the land of the dead." >> >> --Auden >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. >> > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr
Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News
Hi Thomas, Possibly, three separate commands. For those of us who are ok with x, y, and z axes can use one to get all three coordinates, those of us who aren't really used to the z axis can have one for the basic x and y coordinates, and the other for altitude. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important MOTA News Hi Phil, Yeah, I know. Its a tough decision. Especially, since we are in the market of creating accessible games and sometimes that means just doing something automatically for the sake of accessibility verses a bit of realism. Speaking of altitude I've been thinking about that today. Since there is now going to be a 3d version of MOTA that means a 3d coordinates system. Instead of a 2d coordinate like 5 15 we are going to have a 3d coordinate like 5, 1, 15. It is possible to to break this down into two different commands one that gives the altitude and another that gives your position on the grid or we can just spit it out like 5, 1, 15. Any thoughts on this? On 6/25/10, Phil Vlasak wrote: > Hi Thomas, > There is always a trade off when you put some things in as automatic rather > then manual. > With automatic you don't have to have so many things to think about, but you > loose the ability to do things that the automatic feature doesn't > anticipate. > I thought being on a broom would allow Sarah to zoom over the head of the > caretaker so I set his action to attack her to off when she is on a broom. > But as the ghosts could appear out of a wall or ceiling, I didn't think she > would be quite as able to avoid them. > Plus with a patronus on she might just want to run into them. > But having a way to indicate altitude would help if the flying creatures > were also described. > So if Sarah was at ten feet and the ceiling was at twelve, then the ghost at > ten feet would be difficult to avoid unless she zoomed under it but that > would put her in the range of the caretaker. > At some point the faster you move the less time you have to listen for the > description of what is around you,unless it was done with avoidance beeps. > Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] lone wolf mission creating
Hi Enes, No, the LW Parce application is the only one you can create missions with, only other way is to right your own engine for it. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of ENES SARIBAS Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:13 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] lone wolf mission creating hi, the lone wolf mission creater seams vary hard is there a easyer way thanks! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] railracer issue
Hi Shaun, Yes, the server is offline at the moment. Che has moved servers, and the Rail Racer server isn't up and going yet. Don't give up all hope however, he is planning to resurrect it soon, he's just had too much to do with the card room, which for those of you who haven't tried it, you should definitely take a peek at it. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:41 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] railracer issue Hi all. not sure if this is also for the registration system of rr but I decided to play today. I put on web posting. I get an error about trying to get my nickname then the program exits to the desktop everything looked ok. I was about to reload the program then maybe windows but I decided to check the serfvers for track and cash records. the servers seem to have config errors. and appear offline. so anyone wanting to play railracer online, can't which sucks i guess for those that want to. I was bored today and decided to try to have a game like try to get back up in the ranks. guess I won't bother now. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] some groove it gameplay.
Hi Yohandy, Yes, that's an excellent one, it's definitely more difficult than the bop it. The only problem is when it comes near sunlight, then it doesn't want to cooperate. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Yohandy Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:49 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] some groove it gameplay. 2 file. one on basic, the other on expert difficulty. I just found the toy lying around and recorded this on the spot. I recommend everyone gets one of these if you can find it as it's real fun and way more challenging than bop it in my opinion. here are the files basic difficulty: http://www.sendspace.com/file/r2988p expert: http://www.sendspace.com/file/50239u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] lone wolf missions
Why what? Why was I sunk? Because I suffered too much damage. (grinning) - Original Message - From: "Hayden Presley" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] lone wolf missions Hi Charles, All I can say is. Why? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:06 PM To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] lone wolf missions Hi Charles, Lol! are you serious? On 6/25/10, Charles Rivard wrote: There is a mission that someone wrote that was called "bs" or something like that. When I tried it, I was immediately sunk. --- In God we trust. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
