Re: [Audyssey] Online games
Hi Devin. Solara is a good online game, for mobile devices, but won't take your time as long as alteraeon. I'd personally recommend King of Dragon pass. It's offline rather than online, but takes literally hours! to finish and even longer to get the stratogy, it also has many completion awards. The only down side is that it does cost around 6 dollars, but for the hours you'll play it it's well worth it. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com To: Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:05 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Online games Hi all. I have used mush z for alter aeon for years now. I write this not to bash it, but I really don't think, for blind users, it is good for mobile platforms. I'll be going back to school soon, and will need a good game to play after classes. I go to a school for the blind, and will be staying there for months, going home once a month for one whole day. I'll only have my ipod as my personal devise, so I need a good game that isn't a dull one like lords and knights. One that is online, and is less than or equal to one dollar, which is what I have in itunes. Sent from my iPod 5 keychat/google talk: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com primary email: d.pra...@me.com facebook/iMessage: devinpra...@live.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] help needed with castaways.
pProbably not enough peasants. Your peasants will always transport food first, then do other tasks like transporting flour or firs later, so if those jobs aren't being done, get more peasants. Also, take care what people's secondary jobs are. If you have a tailer or doctor standing around doing nothing because you've got no cloth, that's a pare of idle hands and won't help. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: loriduncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] help needed with castaways. Hm, this is so wierd... I have 5 pesents, they transported the things to my mill, and although I set one of them to the whieght farm, there isn't any being dropped off at the mill. I also built a textile, and assigned a taylor and a weever, but they arn't making cloth for my hospital, despite my butcher producing animal furs. -Original Message- From: john Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:06 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] help needed with castaways. I'd like to debate you on the starter, Dark. I've actually come very close to losing people while building the storehouse, so imho there's a lot of value in using strong start. This is especially true in mission 5, because you really don't have time to play with dragging resources all the way across the map. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 23:13:26 +0100 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] help needed with castaways. Hi Lori. Your peasants will transport stuff automatically, starting with food then moving on to less essential supplies, this is why you always need many peasants. As for starving, you need a cook. Without a cook to serve meals your people will starve even with a warehouse full of food. Btw, I'd not personally recommend the strong start perk sinse Castaways is a longer game and once your start is gone it's gone, your best choosing perks that will help you for a longer period such as green fingered or sweatshop (yes, this is a game where forcing your children to work at as young age as possible is an advantage! ! :d). hth. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed.
Don’t read if you haven’t gotten this far in the game. S P O I L E R I’m in the tower of Judgment in Heave. I’ve managed to make it to the third floor and past te crusing floorboards but I can’t for te life of me figure out where to go next. I’ve been wandering aroud here for two days and can’t seem to locate either a stairway or a teleporter. So any help would be appreciated. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed.
hi Bryan. Ouch, your nearly up to where I am, though I've not played for a few days so that isn't surprising. at the end of that long area with the falling floorboards there are several passages in the wall going right. One of them (I believe it's towards the bottom), leads to a flight of stairs that goes up to the next floor and the boss. hth. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:17 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. Don’t read if you haven’t gotten this far in the game. S P O I L E R I’m in the tower of Judgment in Heave. I’ve managed to make it to the third floor and past te crusing floorboards but I can’t for te life of me figure out where to go next. I’ve been wandering aroud here for two days and can’t seem to locate either a stairway or a teleporter. So any help would be appreciated. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed.
Thanks. I'll see if I can figure that out. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:21 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. hi Bryan. Ouch, your nearly up to where I am, though I've not played for a few days so that isn't surprising. at the end of that long area with the falling floorboards there are several passages in the wall going right. One of them (I believe it's towards the bottom), leads to a flight of stairs that goes up to the next floor and the boss. hth. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:17 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. Don’t read if you haven’t gotten this far in the game. S P O I L E R I’m in the tower of Judgment in Heave. I’ve managed to make it to the third floor and past te crusing floorboards but I can’t for te life of me figure out where to go next. I’ve been wandering aroud here for two days and can’t seem to locate either a stairway or a teleporter. So any help would be appreciated. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Audiogames.net down
Hi Dark, Right. As I said I'll see what I can do. I need to rethink the over all design of Audyssey, figure out what our main goal will be here, and go with it. Cheers! On 8/9/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I certainly wouldn't object to audeasy replicating news, sinse not only would this mean more sources of game news and more people looking out for new games and updates (the other news posters and I try my best but we're only human), but also there's always some advantage to seeing news told in a different way or style. I certainly think some newbie introductions would be helpful. I had considdered putting together some articles for the articles room on audiogames.net with lists of correct links to db entries, but this would be again something else to maintain and if say the download url for Shades of doom changed it'd be something else to update as well and frankly working on the db and news is already more than enough to keep me busy. Therefore, some diversity in what audeasy did, particularly in the area of being a launching point for new gamers as well as an alternative source of news owuld be great. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Castaways contest, with cash prizes
How fun! Thanks! I love Mission6! -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Kaldobsky Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 11:30 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Castaways contest, with cash prizes I think it's time to toss a little money back at the community. *Smiling face* I had posted this on audiogames.net, but since it is now offline I'll post this here too. Quick reminder, Castaways can be downloaded from the following link: http://www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/castaways.zip Castaways 2.7b has been posted, and it contains a game mode called Recorded Challenge. This is how players will participate in the contest. The game always starts you with an identical set of resources, but after that it is up to you to survive and thrive. You have the daunting task of surviving through 1 game ticks as you earn a score based on the things you save up. At any point you can press Shift + space to hear your current score, and also list how many game ticks you have used. 1 ticks seems like a lot at first, but eventually you'll start wishing you had more so you could save up more stuff. Here are how points are calculated. Knights, Rangers, Pikemen, and Cavalry all start out worth 1000 points for the first unit, but each additional unit is worth 100 points less. Having more than 10 of any of these troop types will give no additional points. All units upgraded with Tomes (Serfs, Woodsmen, Physician, ect) start out worth 1000 points for the first unit. Each additional unit is worth 250 less. Having more than 4 of any of these skilled job types will give no additional points. All food stored in your Store houses or Taverns will be counted. Meat, Bread, Vegetables, and Wine all start out worth 500 points for the first item, and each additional item is worth 5 points less. Having more than 100 of any of these food types will give no additional points. Tomes stored in your Store houses start out worth 1000 points for the first Tome, and each additional tome is worth 250 less. Having more than 4 tomes will give no additional points. Lumber and bricks stored in your Store houses are all worth 10 points each. There is no limit on the amount of points you can earn on lumber and bricks. When you first start up the game you'll already have quite a few points. This is normal, because you begin the mission with a lot of food and stuff. As you start to burn through your reserves, that score will drop lower and lower as you work to build your town and get on your feet. Defend yourself against the goblins (walls are your friend) and soon your score will begin to rise as you produce more than you use. The game stops once you reach 1 ticks, but it will still allow you to save your game instead of immediately kicking you out to the main menu. Saving is important, obviously, but your save game files are what you'll submit to be part of the contest. Save your game at any time, and email me the save game file. The score you have at the time of the save, is the score I will credit you with. I will list everyone's scores here in this thread, so you can see what you need to reach in order to beat them. The Prizes: (using the traditional, highest score is better, system) haha First place, $40 (USD) Second place, $35 Third place, $30 Fourth place, $25 Fifth place, $20 Sixth place, $10 Seventh place, $10 Eighth place, $10 Ninth place, $10 Tenth place, $10 Rules: You do not need to have a Kaldobsky Gamer account to participate. This contest is open for anyone to join. Don't cheat, obviously. Contained within the save game file is information about every action you took as you played. I take these save game files and run them through a special program that recreates the same starting conditions and quickly plays through the entire game doing everything you had done. I will use the score my program tells me, which means any type of cheating or save game editing isn't going to work. Don't give other people your save game files so they can turn them in as their own. The program I feed these files into can tell if the original game data matches any of the other files people have submitted. So if you play 100 ticks of the challenge, save it, give it to a friend, he plays the remaining 9900 ticks, and submits it for the contest... I will not count that. Hopefully that makes sense. Do feel free to discus strategy and stuff here to help others. Telling others exactly what you did is totally fine, because their random events will end up being a bit different. I'd actually like to see the more skilled players sharing tips with those who need a hand. Do have a paypal account. I will be sending the prizes out through paypal, so having it is a requirement if you wish to participate. You are able to win more than 1 prize! (I'm allowing this because I have no realistic way to prevent it.) As long as you
Re: [Audyssey] help needed with castaways.
Hi, Lori. I build a storehouse and tavern first. Then, I build a sawmill, quarry, and a hospital. Then, farms and other buildings such as a butcher's shop. Fishermen only get one meat at a time. Christina -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of loriduncan Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 1:37 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] help needed with castaways. Hi Thomas, I managed to get castaways working, but my people seem to always end up starving. Here's what I start with. I use the strong start, and once my storehouse is complete, i then have them build a sawmill so lumber can be produced. I then build a hospital, a few farms and a tavern. I also assign jobs as I go along, such as people to farm, hunt and fish, but still they seem to starve. I have a bartender and cook too, and I notice my pesents seem to drop off all their food supplies at the tavern, and when I try closing it to stop them from doing it, they still starve. I can't seem to assign my pesents to transport certain types of items. I've checked out the buildings guide, and know what each building does, i just need to figure out the starting combo. From Lori. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 2:55 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] help needed with castaways. Hi Lori, In Castaways it all depends on if there is any work to be done. If your peasants are just standing around not doing anything there is probably something else that needs done first and they are waiting on some task to be completed. I'd need to know more about the situation here. cheers! On 8/7/14, loriduncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I've just started playing castaways, but although I can select my units and asign them jobs, they still seem to be just standing around idel. I thought once I'd given a pesent it's job, I'd hear the unit move, but when I cycle through the list, it just says their names, and that they are just standing around. I checked their energy, and it's high, so not sure what I'm missing? I also tried to get into the online game, but when I press shift slash to see who else is online, I'm told I'm not linked to any players, even though miltiplayer mode is set. I'd be glad of any help. Thanks from lori. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Quick Quinton question
Unfortunately the Playroom is not cross platform. RSGames is, however. On Aug 9, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Ron Schamerhorn blindwon...@cogeco.ca wrote: Hi all Being a windows user I'm wondering... the playroom is cross platform right? Cause one of my friends is a mac user and wasn't sure. Thankds ahead of time Ron --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] saitek pro flight system?
True time and in principal I agree with you. But till we can get equal access with hardware and software and that sadly means right now that it needs to work with jaws or something like nvda or with scripts or something we will always be at a disadvantage. There may not be any advantage going foreward depending on what we are doing. Right now, I have no job in fact if the security factor, was not so much I'd still be using win xp. Heck I may have been using dos 3.2 for all it matters. Simularly with my phone the crappy nokia with crappy outdated talks has been all I have needed since I have got it. While i am sertainly back in the dark ages I have no reason to move foreward. And to do so relitively still costa a lot to do so. Until nvda at any rate. Until everything just works disabled in general can never be on the front line at least not as often as we like. The same is with games. We will never have the resources to make anything good bar keyboard games we don't have the man power to make that much. We as blind can't create really good games because we have never seen really. Don't get me wrong we can make good blind games but they will never match what is round. The only way we can move is if enough sighted come foreward. Sadly for all concerned that needs to be accepted on a physical and comercial level, and that means the big game corperations need to stop saying we feel sorry for the poor blind but the market is to small and we don't care and we are not bothered so go to heell blind person. Or that is what I feel sometimes. I don't think we can be ahead on that sence the same as normals. I think the way I look at it is that the disabled have their own class. You upgrade to your needs its never going to be the top heck you may be behind by decades but it will be what ever the last working system is. And where you started since I have used the keyboard for the last 30 years thats windows xp 7 and whatever has a non touchscreen environment. My gaming device of choice is the keyboard maybe some mouse support. My office of choicde is office xp or 97 my email client is eudora and internet explorerr and winamp are what I use for other stuff. Its been ages since I have really needed or had the cash to upgrade anything though I have upgraded only when I have needed so. So while I agree with you in principal tim we are not all equal, accessability is not all equal. In fact if it were this conversation would never take place, it wouldn't need to. As for us bitching we have a lot to bitch about in a sence and a lot not. Most of it is beyond our control sadly but if it were I am sure we would make more noise than we are. And while the user base of whatever community or communities may be aware a lot of people outside the percentage that play games in fact use computers for more than work at least think I know several that think the blind can't play games bar card or the childrens games their organisation says like as a bat stuff. I was going to start a gaming to student project in schools with laptops but it fell through. And sadly outside the general base there is no interest, a lot of organisations want education rather than shoot this and that a lot of our games are stratogy based to but still. Getting things across will be a challenge. At 01:25 a.m. 9/08/2014, you wrote: Going for support for game controllers is nice and would be new turf for a few game makers, and it just might add to the replay value. I would put the support in no matter how much they gripe. After all the programmer is writing the game. When you let others tell you how to right your game than its not your game anymore and you have lost the right of control. So what the blind bitch, they have to leave xp behind bitching but yet they still do it. When they find the new op is not much more they quit. that is just life its always changing and you go with it or get left behind. Just like I am finding a lot of old 32 bit programs don't work with the new ops and you have to cripple your op to get them to work. The programmers of those programs state its to hard to learn new. its just like running. You had to learn to walk to run. So no matter how much you bitch about moving forward. Your the one that is left behind with useless software, and hardware. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your
Re: [Audyssey] saitek pro flight system?
Well I do envy you I have always used keyboard, its the best thing, though to be honest and open anything which is not a button scares me a bit. Its why touchscreens some gamepads, sticks and mice I have found hard to embrace and control properly. I am sure I'll get it right some day. Thing is I am also trying to get off the system and failing. I have been offered a job offline that requires me to get off the computer for a bit. Though I have tried my best I have always found all the stuff I do is getting me on the pc most times of the day. When I play a game I'd ideally want a quick keyboard bash or if i have time to waste a story. At the same time I want to play games to. Sometimes I fhind it hard to juggle the 2 in fact right now I am spending to much time on the net and playing games. At 01:10 a.m. 9/08/2014, you wrote: I like using the mouse and touch screens to play games. its more fun than keyboard. The hungry robot ate my signature so that is why I no longer have one! Thomas Ward wrote: Shaun, That's where we differ in opinion. I came from the mainstream video game world, and grew up on joysticks, gamepads, and so on and I can tell you straight up front that using a keyboard is a drastically less intuitive and less flexible mode of input. I'm sure your opinion that keyboards is all a blind user needs has been shaped by the game's currently on the market that do not truly harness the power of the joystick or gamepad. While understandable it is wrongheaded and it is exactly opinions like yours why some blind game developers don't develop more games that exclusively harness the power and advantages of a joystick or a mouse for that matter. For example, I can say what the general reaction of the blind community would be if I, as a developer, did so. Let's say I right this really cool game, but design it where a joystick or gamepad is required. I'd never hear the end of moaning, and groaning over the fact I did not adequately support the keyboard, that they don't have a joystick, that they don't have money to buy one, etc. What seems to be missing in all this complaining and moaning and groaning is the point I was trying to introduce a more mainstream mode of input that is often times much better than the one they want. I know this because I remember the wining and complaining people made when Che Martin introduced the mouse support in Rail Racer and Aprone did so in Swamp. Given that kind of negative attitude to change why bother trying to raise the standard of audio gaming if people are just going to wine about it? Don't mean to go on a rant here, but your attitude that a keyboard is all a blind person needs for gaming lacks any kind of experience with the many ways it could improve audio gaming. That it would be easier, more intuitive, and over all offer newer and better ways to do things. You need to consider the advantages of the alternatives rather than just assume audio gaming can not and will not be any better than it is right now. In short, if mediocre games is all you want from developers that's all you will ever get. Cheers! On 8/5/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I had an old force feedback stick before these were fashonable however I got rid of it because I wasn't using it. Apart from 3d verlosity which I havn't really mastered that well I have not managed to really get into the habbit of using a stick for anything else. I have a mouse and since swamp one of the only games that used it is payed and I don't spend the time to really do it justice, I have decided to leave that to. I still think for us blind people that a good basic keyboard is all we will ever need. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] saitek pro flight system?
I wish I came from your background tom. Yes there were consoles, but no one had the cash to own one yet alone set one up. This is not really a sob though it may sound like it but before 1993 I never used any computters at all. No one did, the family got their first system in 1995 before that we had an old box we used for games and dad had a couple of older laptops I used to turn off and on. I got my first real computer in 1995 and everyone got online in 1997. between that and 2003 we used dialup. And since I had a dos system my games came from dad's and friend's floppys and cds. When it all went down the tubes I had old dos and some windows games using the keyboard. I have never been man enough to try to really use a joystick for games myself or a mouse or even a touchscreen. Most of my childhood was on nothing at all and later on it was the keyboard all the way. In fact so much so that unless I have a keyboard in front of me I find things so forign that I end up reguarding everything that is not a keyboard or not using windows totally crap probably because I never worked up the strength to try to use one of had the chance so I guess if I had started with a mouse or stick earlier in life that it makes a difference. And while I may go on boasting on all my projects probably part of that is so I look good i guess. Che did say once when he got mad once with me going off the top was that I was still fresh still new. At the time I thought he was a stupid idiot but he is right in a way. For the 30 years or so of my life I have only got into computers for the last 20 and really realistically have only got into my own with a keyboard interface for the last 10 years and got to where I can say I can use a system reasonably in the last 5. I don't pretend to be smarter than some of the guys on here because I am not in some ways. I say the keyboard is better because all other experiences I have had with other devicfes didn't work out. Maybe some day I will have to try again or maybe I will learn I have always wanted to do so. But as long as there are ways to play with a keyboard then I will probably always do so. The same goes with my phone a touch screen makes me so uncomfortable that I'd rather have a keyboard phone. I envy those that have had the experience and have managed I right now don't feel i could may never do so. Pluss my friends and family have no idea how I would manage touch either having not experienced how blind people would interact with it themselves. I have barely touched console games. The only games I have played are interactive fiction and the old blind games of the early 90s and 2000s to draw on which is not that much. Even with the stuff I do now its all for the keyboard and while swamp was with the mouse I really never mastered the game fully. One of these days that may change who knows. At 07:57 p.m. 8/08/2014, you wrote: Shaun, That's where we differ in opinion. I came from the mainstream video game world, and grew up on joysticks, gamepads, and so on and I can tell you straight up front that using a keyboard is a drastically less intuitive and less flexible mode of input. I'm sure your opinion that keyboards is all a blind user needs has been shaped by the game's currently on the market that do not truly harness the power of the joystick or gamepad. While understandable it is wrongheaded and it is exactly opinions like yours why some blind game developers don't develop more games that exclusively harness the power and advantages of a joystick or a mouse for that matter. For example, I can say what the general reaction of the blind community would be if I, as a developer, did so. Let's say I right this really cool game, but design it where a joystick or gamepad is required. I'd never hear the end of moaning, and groaning over the fact I did not adequately support the keyboard, that they don't have a joystick, that they don't have money to buy one, etc. What seems to be missing in all this complaining and moaning and groaning is the point I was trying to introduce a more mainstream mode of input that is often times much better than the one they want. I know this because I remember the wining and complaining people made when Che Martin introduced the mouse support in Rail Racer and Aprone did so in Swamp. Given that kind of negative attitude to change why bother trying to raise the standard of audio gaming if people are just going to wine about it? Don't mean to go on a rant here, but your attitude that a keyboard is all a blind person needs for gaming lacks any kind of experience with the many ways it could improve audio gaming. That it would be easier, more intuitive, and over all offer newer and better ways to do things. You need to consider the advantages of the alternatives rather than just assume audio gaming can not and will not be any better than it is right now. In short, if mediocre games is all you want from developers that's all you will ever
Re: [Audyssey] saitek pro flight system?
As another point to your message I did get a stick once to play some games and it did not work so well. I eventually soled it. I am now find it quite hard to the point I have stopped looking for it at least in the shops a propper joystick. I have an now crappy old ms gamepad but I could never position it properly to play it. If I could get a good pad maybe I'd try again but with the only real games being tdv of which I haven't played much and topspeed I really have not muched much. Swamp did get me to get a gaming mouse and maybe I'll try use that again in shades of doom2. Trouble is I have used the keyboard for so long that I am to used to it. space is another issue I can not host a perminant stick on my desk a pad maybe buut even so. Its a bit of a catch 22 situation there are not enough blind games that would get me to invest in a stick even if I could find one. And even if they were it looks like pads are all they have now and most for x box systems now. A lot of the shops here in new zealand have either stopped or are not selling many pc titles anymoe. At 07:57 p.m. 8/08/2014, you wrote: Shaun, That's where we differ in opinion. I came from the mainstream video game world, and grew up on joysticks, gamepads, and so on and I can tell you straight up front that using a keyboard is a drastically less intuitive and less flexible mode of input. I'm sure your opinion that keyboards is all a blind user needs has been shaped by the game's currently on the market that do not truly harness the power of the joystick or gamepad. While understandable it is wrongheaded and it is exactly opinions like yours why some blind game developers don't develop more games that exclusively harness the power and advantages of a joystick or a mouse for that matter. For example, I can say what the general reaction of the blind community would be if I, as a developer, did so. Let's say I right this really cool game, but design it where a joystick or gamepad is required. I'd never hear the end of moaning, and groaning over the fact I did not adequately support the keyboard, that they don't have a joystick, that they don't have money to buy one, etc. What seems to be missing in all this complaining and moaning and groaning is the point I was trying to introduce a more mainstream mode of input that is often times much better than the one they want. I know this because I remember the wining and complaining people made when Che Martin introduced the mouse support in Rail Racer and Aprone did so in Swamp. Given that kind of negative attitude to change why bother trying to raise the standard of audio gaming if people are just going to wine about it? Don't mean to go on a rant here, but your attitude that a keyboard is all a blind person needs for gaming lacks any kind of experience with the many ways it could improve audio gaming. That it would be easier, more intuitive, and over all offer newer and better ways to do things. You need to consider the advantages of the alternatives rather than just assume audio gaming can not and will not be any better than it is right now. In short, if mediocre games is all you want from developers that's all you will ever get. Cheers! On 8/5/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I had an old force feedback stick before these were fashonable however I got rid of it because I wasn't using it. Apart from 3d verlosity which I havn't really mastered that well I have not managed to really get into the habbit of using a stick for anything else. I have a mouse and since swamp one of the only games that used it is payed and I don't spend the time to really do it justice, I have decided to leave that to. I still think for us blind people that a good basic keyboard is all we will ever need. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] some annoying news about audiogames.net
Charles while i agree on this I do think that it should be reported at least once maybe as a check to see if it is down or if its something else. I agree saying this site is down more than once should be avoided. Sometimes the owners do put a post on the issue but even so. At 02:51 a.m. 9/08/2014, you wrote: This is a personal opinion only. Messages that say that a site is down are, in a way, pointless, aren't they? If you try to access a site and get results that show that it is down, you'll know that it is down. On other lists that I subscribe to, messages of this nature only serve to clutter the list. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: mattias m...@mjw.se To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] some annoying news about audiogames.net yes again.. Stephen skrev 2014-08-08 kl 7:48: Hi. Looks like the forum at audiogames.net is down --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Audiogames.net down
I am affraid I am not into html code that much but if you needed some help I could be round. At 09:29 p.m. 9/08/2014, you wrote: Hi Dark, Yeah, I know. In fact, it is because of this latest situation that has made me consider rearranging my schedule to put more time into building the Audyssey website so we can mirror links to new and old games in case Audiogames.net goes down again like it just has. Especially, now that there seems to be a new surge of releases just when our perspective gaming websites go on the fritz. :P Cheers! On 8/9/14, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I Hope so Tom, though if the problem is related to the server hosting the site and forum it might not be in Richard and Sander's control to fix. Having both audeasy and audiogames.net down at the same time was distinctly bad luck, especially sinse at the moment there are so many good games being released or updated,. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Some annoying news about audiogames.net
I agree more sites need a notification list to anonce when they are offline indipendant of the site but ofcause you can get to much. At 05:29 a.m. 9/08/2014, you wrote: This is why you should be notified directly rather than through an Email list for gamers. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Eleanor elea...@7128.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 12:18 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Some annoying news about audiogames.net Charles said: This is a personal opinion only. Messages that say that a site is down are, in a way, pointless, aren't they? If you try to access a site and get results that show that it is down, you'll know that it is down. On other lists that I subscribe to, messages of this nature only serve to clutter the list. I just want to say that we at 7-128 Software would appreciate having someone report when our website is down since we might not know about it and would want to get right at getting it up and running as soon as possible. So that is a reason for people to inform the community. I agree that once reported and confirmed, not much more needs to be added that would clutter the list, but it is important to know that a website is down. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] saitek pro flight system?
I agree but whenever I check there is nothing in stock. So I assume he has not made this for ages. At 06:52 p.m. 9/08/2014, you wrote: Hi. If your looking at a unique control system for games, I'd recommend looking at Aprone's Sea monkey head tracker device which already works with swamp and will in the future work with more games. http://www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/ Personally for me, I'm not against audiogames using new control methods, indeed I've enjoyed both the use of the mouse and the use of things like gyro and analogue control on Ios, however if! people are to shell out money for a control system it must do something that the keyboard can't. I was never a fan of joy pads, I always preferd a propper arcade style stick, however sinse I don't have one for pc, I've come to get used to the keybaord for standard press button application in control, therefore buying say a xbox 360 pad for games wouldn't be worth it for me, indeed I remember an old arcade style game called in the pit that used the Xbox controller uniquely but hardly anyone played sinse not only was the controller requirement very specific, but the game wasn't really all that unique, thus not really providing much impetus for people to go out and change their controllers. Something like the Sea Monkey however uses a form of analogue control not available otherwise, indeed it's part of Aprone's intention that it's design as a head tracker will let it be a perfect device for full 3D movement and scanning in audio sinse the player can move his/her head and have the sound scape change, and thus does things that the keyboard, or a bog standard gamepad, can't. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] some annoying news about audiogames.net
Well from what I hard from a mail somewhere the site is offline, because of a genuine server and database crash not a hack. The site is down with a 404 and the mirror that I remember using has a 500 error so things are actually down for the count. At 01:11 a.m. 9/08/2014, you wrote: That is just one of the reasons why I always wanted the option of a email list. True more options of finding games is good, but if you only have one option. Then your stuck until fixed if at all. At 01:48 AM 8/8/2014, you wrote: Hi. Looks like the forum at audiogames.net is down --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] controller versus keyboard - Re: saitek pro flight system?
Well I am happy to have a supporter at least with the keyboard thing. I agree, all controler support mouse touch, boards and sticks should be included when and if at all possible cost permitting ofcause. Maneuvering with a stick is better than a board obviously. I have never managed to control a stick or mouse that well though. At 02:59 a.m. 9/08/2014, you wrote: Personally, I think that both keyboard and controller support should be included in games. Having said that, using a keyboard, can you dive while also turning when maneuvering a submarine? How about with a joystick? Maybe, to spark interest, what are the advantages of using a game controller compared to what can be done with a keyboard? And how much does a good controller cost compared to a keyboard? Thanks. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 2:57 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] saitek pro flight system? Shaun, That's where we differ in opinion. I came from the mainstream video game world, and grew up on joysticks, gamepads, and so on and I can tell you straight up front that using a keyboard is a drastically less intuitive and less flexible mode of input. I'm sure your opinion that keyboards is all a blind user needs has been shaped by the game's currently on the market that do not truly harness the power of the joystick or gamepad. While understandable it is wrongheaded and it is exactly opinions like yours why some blind game developers don't develop more games that exclusively harness the power and advantages of a joystick or a mouse for that matter. For example, I can say what the general reaction of the blind community would be if I, as a developer, did so. Let's say I right this really cool game, but design it where a joystick or gamepad is required. I'd never hear the end of moaning, and groaning over the fact I did not adequately support the keyboard, that they don't have a joystick, that they don't have money to buy one, etc. What seems to be missing in all this complaining and moaning and groaning is the point I was trying to introduce a more mainstream mode of input that is often times much better than the one they want. I know this because I remember the wining and complaining people made when Che Martin introduced the mouse support in Rail Racer and Aprone did so in Swamp. Given that kind of negative attitude to change why bother trying to raise the standard of audio gaming if people are just going to wine about it? Don't mean to go on a rant here, but your attitude that a keyboard is all a blind person needs for gaming lacks any kind of experience with the many ways it could improve audio gaming. That it would be easier, more intuitive, and over all offer newer and better ways to do things. You need to consider the advantages of the alternatives rather than just assume audio gaming can not and will not be any better than it is right now. In short, if mediocre games is all you want from developers that's all you will ever get. Cheers! On 8/5/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I had an old force feedback stick before these were fashonable however I got rid of it because I wasn't using it. Apart from 3d verlosity which I havn't really mastered that well I have not managed to really get into the habbit of using a stick for anything else. I have a mouse and since swamp one of the only games that used it is payed and I don't spend the time to really do it justice, I have decided to leave that to. I still think for us blind people that a good basic keyboard is all we will ever need. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All
Re: [Audyssey] saitek pro flight system?
Hi Simon, That makes sense. The thing that strikes me about this system is that it seems to be geared towards flight based games. IE something like 3D Velocity which we don't have too many of. I'm not sure what other uses it could be used for outside of generic control since not everything is needed for a beat-m-up or side-scroller. Some of those controllers are overkill for a lot of accessible games because they don't need anything quite that extensive. About the only other type of game I can see those controllers being handy for off the top of my head is racing simulations. That is IMO one of the problems with the expensive systems like the Saitech. They are so advanced that not many games need all the functionality they provide. Cheers! On 8/9/14, goshawk on horseback goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk wrote: well I haven't intirely ruled it out yet, but certainly at the moment, I am not exactly confident that the outlay will be worth it, given the current rather limited joystick/controller usage in accessible games. the one good thing about this system, is that as it comes in a number of parts, it is not like I have to get the whole thing in one go, so I can spread the cost a bit. if I know that there are possibilities of more and better support for controllers like this, if testers are available, this is something I would be happy to do. Simon --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] saitek pro flight system?
Hi Shaun, Don't be ridiculous. I can sympathize with the reasons you may be feeling discouraged and have a negative outlook on our chances of keeping up with the mainstream markets, but even so a number of your comments are a bit extreme. They are ridiculous when one thinks about them rationally. You say that the blind will never have the resources to develop anything bar keyboard games. That's total non-sense. The fact of the matter is that here in the US one can get a decent joystick or gamepad for under $50, and will work with directX. Its not terribly complicated or difficult to support alot of joysticks and other controllers generically through DirectX or SDL if game developers choose to do so. If more direct support is required a game developer can spend a little more time writing a custom profiler. Its not a question of resources but effort. Further more your assumption that we as blind developers can never make good games is similarly off base. While I agree we might not be able to compete with major mainstream game companies I do see us reaching a quality with indie game developers. Most mainstream indie game developers have higher quality games, but aren't supported by much more developers and resources than we have right now. The difference is they have skilled developers who have a good idea on what they want to develop and have higher standards than audio game developers. So the place to begin with improving audio games is having higher standards. Cheers! On 8/10/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: True time and in principal I agree with you. But till we can get equal access with hardware and software and that sadly means right now that it needs to work with jaws or something like nvda or with scripts or something we will always be at a disadvantage. There may not be any advantage going foreward depending on what we are doing. Right now, I have no job in fact if the security factor, was not so much I'd still be using win xp. Heck I may have been using dos 3.2 for all it matters. Simularly with my phone the crappy nokia with crappy outdated talks has been all I have needed since I have got it. While i am sertainly back in the dark ages I have no reason to move foreward. And to do so relitively still costa a lot to do so. Until nvda at any rate. Until everything just works disabled in general can never be on the front line at least not as often as we like. The same is with games. We will never have the resources to make anything good bar keyboard games we don't have the man power to make that much. We as blind can't create really good games because we have never seen really. Don't get me wrong we can make good blind games but they will never match what is round. The only way we can move is if enough sighted come foreward. Sadly for all concerned that needs to be accepted on a physical and comercial level, and that means the big game corperations need to stop saying we feel sorry for the poor blind but the market is to small and we don't care and we are not bothered so go to heell blind person. Or that is what I feel sometimes. I don't think we can be ahead on that sence the same as normals. I think the way I look at it is that the disabled have their own class. You upgrade to your needs its never going to be the top heck you may be behind by decades but it will be what ever the last working system is. And where you started since I have used the keyboard for the last 30 years thats windows xp 7 and whatever has a non touchscreen environment. My gaming device of choice is the keyboard maybe some mouse support. My office of choicde is office xp or 97 my email client is eudora and internet explorerr and winamp are what I use for other stuff. Its been ages since I have really needed or had the cash to upgrade anything though I have upgraded only when I have needed so. So while I agree with you in principal tim we are not all equal, accessability is not all equal. In fact if it were this conversation would never take place, it wouldn't need to. As for us bitching we have a lot to bitch about in a sence and a lot not. Most of it is beyond our control sadly but if it were I am sure we would make more noise than we are. And while the user base of whatever community or communities may be aware a lot of people outside the percentage that play games in fact use computers for more than work at least think I know several that think the blind can't play games bar card or the childrens games their organisation says like as a bat stuff. I was going to start a gaming to student project in schools with laptops but it fell through. And sadly outside the general base there is no interest, a lot of organisations want education rather than shoot this and that a lot of our games are stratogy based to but still. Getting things across will be a challenge. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send
Re: [Audyssey] saitek pro flight system?
Well, Sean, its like anything else. The more you practice the better you will get at it. There is no reason to be afraid of using a mouse, joystick, or touchscreen. Its just a different form of input, and once you use it more the more you'll grow comfortable with the technology. Just saying, I don't like this, and quitting is a definite path to failure. You'll never grow past your current skill level at that rate. As Master Yoda says, do or do not. There is no try. Cheers! On 8/10/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well I do envy you I have always used keyboard, its the best thing, though to be honest and open anything which is not a button scares me a bit. Its why touchscreens some gamepads, sticks and mice I have found hard to embrace and control properly. I am sure I'll get it right some day. Thing is I am also trying to get off the system and failing. I have been offered a job offline that requires me to get off the computer for a bit. Though I have tried my best I have always found all the stuff I do is getting me on the pc most times of the day. When I play a game I'd ideally want a quick keyboard bash or if i have time to waste a story. At the same time I want to play games to. Sometimes I fhind it hard to juggle the 2 in fact right now I am spending to much time on the net and playing games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] saitek pro flight system?
Hi Shaun, Well, it is entirely possible your controller wasn't properly calibrated. By default they should already be calibrated, but if not you may need help getting it calibrated. That is one of those things that comes with owning and using a game controller. If you want it to work smoothly with your games it has to be calibrated else your results may very. As far as having or not having the space on your desk that's a bit of a personal problem. I am sure there are workarounds for it if you truly wanted to use a game controller. these days there are a number of wireless devices that you can use that hardly take up any physical space. If you properly hold it in your lap, not on a desk, it doesn't matter how much space you have on your desktop because one assumes you are holding it while using it rather than sitting it on a desk. When you are not using it all you need do is power off the unit and slide it in a drawer. I often keep mine in my laptop case when not in use. Either way, I think your argument of not having space is more an excuse rather than a justification for not having one. Cheers! On 8/10/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: As another point to your message I did get a stick once to play some games and it did not work so well. I eventually soled it. I am now find it quite hard to the point I have stopped looking for it at least in the shops a propper joystick. I have an now crappy old ms gamepad but I could never position it properly to play it. If I could get a good pad maybe I'd try again but with the only real games being tdv of which I haven't played much and topspeed I really have not muched much. Swamp did get me to get a gaming mouse and maybe I'll try use that again in shades of doom2. Trouble is I have used the keyboard for so long that I am to used to it. space is another issue I can not host a perminant stick on my desk a pad maybe buut even so. Its a bit of a catch 22 situation there are not enough blind games that would get me to invest in a stick even if I could find one. And even if they were it looks like pads are all they have now and most for x box systems now. A lot of the shops here in new zealand have either stopped or are not selling many pc titles anymoe. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] saitek pro flight system?
Hi Shaun, That explains alot of why you feel the way you do about joysticks, keyboard, mice, etc. However, Che is very much correct. From a mainstream gamer's perspective you are still something of a newbie, have very little practical experience with mainstream gaming, and for that reason regardless of the how and why of it you are far behind mainstream gamers. Your experiences, or lack there of, have give en you a very limited perspective on gaming and how much better a joystick or mouse can be when playing games. For instance, in the mid 90's when you got your first computer a lot of mainstream gamers, myself included, had already had plenty of experience with other consoles. I myself am a child of the 80's so played the Atari 26000, Ataari 7800, the Collecovision, the original NES, and the Super NES all by the time you got your first computer. Not only that, but I also played my fair share of Dos games like Duke Nukem, Overkill, and other games of that era. So by 95 or 96, when you were just starting out, I was already into a number of the big PC titles of the day such as Jedi Knight, Dark Forces, Doom, Tomb Raider, Mech Warrior, and so on. I had a Logitech Wingman joystick I used faithfully with those games. So obviously I cut my teeth on the best games that were available for the time when you were only playing around with text games or whatever. Although, we come from two totally different experiences I don't see why any of this means you have to not try to expand your experiences. All this talk about not having enough strength or not being man enough sounds like excuses to me. Anyone can do anything they want to do if they want to. Let's face it your real reason is you don't want to and are too apathetic to really sit down with the new technologies and learn to use them. Until you deal with your apathy and do it you will never go beyond your current skill level. In short, it doesn't matter of how early or late you begin learning to use the new technology the important thing is if you seriously want to do it or not. As long as you come up with excuses not to do it you won't. cheers! On 8/10/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: I wish I came from your background tom. Yes there were consoles, but no one had the cash to own one yet alone set one up. This is not really a sob though it may sound like it but before 1993 I never used any computters at all. No one did, the family got their first system in 1995 before that we had an old box we used for games and dad had a couple of older laptops I used to turn off and on. I got my first real computer in 1995 and everyone got online in 1997. between that and 2003 we used dialup. And since I had a dos system my games came from dad's and friend's floppys and cds. When it all went down the tubes I had old dos and some windows games using the keyboard. I have never been man enough to try to really use a joystick for games myself or a mouse or even a touchscreen. Most of my childhood was on nothing at all and later on it was the keyboard all the way. In fact so much so that unless I have a keyboard in front of me I find things so forign that I end up reguarding everything that is not a keyboard or not using windows totally crap probably because I never worked up the strength to try to use one of had the chance so I guess if I had started with a mouse or stick earlier in life that it makes a difference. And while I may go on boasting on all my projects probably part of that is so I look good i guess. Che did say once when he got mad once with me going off the top was that I was still fresh still new. At the time I thought he was a stupid idiot but he is right in a way. For the 30 years or so of my life I have only got into computers for the last 20 and really realistically have only got into my own with a keyboard interface for the last 10 years and got to where I can say I can use a system reasonably in the last 5. I don't pretend to be smarter than some of the guys on here because I am not in some ways. I say the keyboard is better because all other experiences I have had with other devicfes didn't work out. Maybe some day I will have to try again or maybe I will learn I have always wanted to do so. But as long as there are ways to play with a keyboard then I will probably always do so. The same goes with my phone a touch screen makes me so uncomfortable that I'd rather have a keyboard phone. I envy those that have had the experience and have managed I right now don't feel i could may never do so. Pluss my friends and family have no idea how I would manage touch either having not experienced how blind people would interact with it themselves. I have barely touched console games. The only games I have played are interactive fiction and the old blind games of the early 90s and 2000s to draw on which is not that much. Even with the stuff I do now its all for the keyboard and while swamp was with
Re: [Audyssey] controller versus keyboard - Re: saitek pro flight system?
Hi shaun, that may be, but as I said its a case of practice. If you aren't use to it of course you aren't going to be very good at using a joystick, gamepad, or similar device. Plus it also depends on if your controller is properly calibrated. If not maneuvering can be problematic and irregular. It seems to me what we need is a FAQ on this, because as a long time joystick/gamepad user its easy to assume everyone else knows the same things I do. Cheers! On 8/10/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well I am happy to have a supporter at least with the keyboard thing. I agree, all controler support mouse touch, boards and sticks should be included when and if at all possible cost permitting ofcause. Maneuvering with a stick is better than a board obviously. I have never managed to control a stick or mouse that well though. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed.
S P O I L E R WellI completed the Tower of Judgment but now I'm not sure where to go. THe game didn't really tell me. I did visit Pergatory and fight a boss there but now I'm not sure Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:21 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. hi Bryan. Ouch, your nearly up to where I am, though I've not played for a few days so that isn't surprising. at the end of that long area with the falling floorboards there are several passages in the wall going right. One of them (I believe it's towards the bottom), leads to a flight of stairs that goes up to the next floor and the boss. hth. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:17 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. Don’t read if you haven’t gotten this far in the game. S P O I L E R I’m in the tower of Judgment in Heave. I’ve managed to make it to the third floor and past te crusing floorboards but I can’t for te life of me figure out where to go next. I’ve been wandering aroud here for two days and can’t seem to locate either a stairway or a teleporter. So any help would be appreciated. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] controller versus keyboard - Re: saitek pro flightsystem?
Hi Charles, Not necessarily. Each has advantages and disadvantages. A lot depends on the game in question and what features you are looking for in your controller. One major advantage of joypads or gamepads is having multiple thumbsticks. This allows you to control the game's character with one stick while gaining weapons or controlling the point of view with the other stick. Although, I can't think of any accessible games that makes use of this feature I can easily see it being put to good use in a game like GMA's Tank Commander. You might be able to drive the tank with the left stick while use the right stick to turn the turret independent of the tank to fire. This has huge advantages over a mouse that can only control the direction of the character but not the weapons at the same time. Another advantage of gamepads is they generally come with quite a lot of programmable buttons. Typically 10 to 14 buttons. As many audio games have a lot of status commands and such that aren't available in mainstream video games the more buttons your controller has the better it is for assigning as much functionality to the gamepad as possible. A gaming mouse typically comes with only about 8 buttons which is serviceable for the average audio game, but you will still have to rely on your keyboard for the majority of status commands because those 8 buttons will undoubtedly get assigned to basic commands like walk, run, jump, crouch, etc leaving few left over for status commands. On the flip side gaming mice are more universal as far as game controllers goes. They can operate on a standard mouse driver meaning they are easy to install and setup on Windows or Linux, and don't really require any special software unless you get one with force feedback support etc. In most respects they will operate as a standard PC mouse meaning when not being used for games sighted family members can use it to point and click as usual in basic applications. So it has a duel purpose besides games where as your average joystick, gamepad, etc has no purpose beyond games. Cheers! On 8/9/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: OK, now that you bring up the gaming mouse, which I haven't even heard of, here's the question: Mouse? or game pad. Sounds like they would be almost the same from this brief post. Thanks. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed.
spoilers ahoy for heaven! As cruelclaw said, you need to do all four towards, judgement, truth, fear and the fourth which I forget (I'm on truth at the moment myself). Btw I didn't know there was a bos in purgitory, I always thought it was just a general area for grinding sinse I've been round there but couldn't dinf anything apart from lots of enemies, do you have an idea where the bos was on the stage? All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. S P O I L E R WellI completed the Tower of Judgment but now I'm not sure where to go. THe game didn't really tell me. I did visit Pergatory and fight a boss there but now I'm not sure Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:21 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. hi Bryan. Ouch, your nearly up to where I am, though I've not played for a few days so that isn't surprising. at the end of that long area with the falling floorboards there are several passages in the wall going right. One of them (I believe it's towards the bottom), leads to a flight of stairs that goes up to the next floor and the boss. hth. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:17 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. Don’t read if you haven’t gotten this far in the game. S P O I L E R I’m in the tower of Judgment in Heave. I’ve managed to make it to the third floor and past te crusing floorboards but I can’t for te life of me figure out where to go next. I’ve been wandering aroud here for two days and can’t seem to locate either a stairway or a teleporter. So any help would be appreciated. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed.
I found him by accident. It's St. Peter again. As for the towers I can't find anymore. I did find one door but it said I wasn't ready to enter. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:48 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. spoilers ahoy for heaven! As cruelclaw said, you need to do all four towards, judgement, truth, fear and the fourth which I forget (I'm on truth at the moment myself). Btw I didn't know there was a bos in purgitory, I always thought it was just a general area for grinding sinse I've been round there but couldn't dinf anything apart from lots of enemies, do you have an idea where the bos was on the stage? All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. S P O I L E R WellI completed the Tower of Judgment but now I'm not sure where to go. THe game didn't really tell me. I did visit Pergatory and fight a boss there but now I'm not sure Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:21 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. hi Bryan. Ouch, your nearly up to where I am, though I've not played for a few days so that isn't surprising. at the end of that long area with the falling floorboards there are several passages in the wall going right. One of them (I believe it's towards the bottom), leads to a flight of stairs that goes up to the next floor and the boss. hth. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:17 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. Don’t read if you haven’t gotten this far in the game. S P O I L E R I’m in the tower of Judgment in Heave. I’ve managed to make it to the third floor and past te crusing floorboards but I can’t for te life of me figure out where to go next. I’ve been wandering aroud here for two days and can’t seem to locate either a stairway or a teleporter. So any help would be appreciated. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed.
ah, I'll have to head back to purgetory again to see if I can give ol' pete another pounding :D. If I remember correctly the door to the tower of truth is somewhere on the right hand side of God's palace. This is again why I hope coordinates get added to the game in the next version sinse it'd make explaning where things are (as well as finding them in game), much easier. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. I found him by accident. It's St. Peter again. As for the towers I can't find anymore. I did find one door but it said I wasn't ready to enter. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:48 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. spoilers ahoy for heaven! As cruelclaw said, you need to do all four towards, judgement, truth, fear and the fourth which I forget (I'm on truth at the moment myself). Btw I didn't know there was a bos in purgitory, I always thought it was just a general area for grinding sinse I've been round there but couldn't dinf anything apart from lots of enemies, do you have an idea where the bos was on the stage? All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. S P O I L E R WellI completed the Tower of Judgment but now I'm not sure where to go. THe game didn't really tell me. I did visit Pergatory and fight a boss there but now I'm not sure Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:21 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. hi Bryan. Ouch, your nearly up to where I am, though I've not played for a few days so that isn't surprising. at the end of that long area with the falling floorboards there are several passages in the wall going right. One of them (I believe it's towards the bottom), leads to a flight of stairs that goes up to the next floor and the boss. hth. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:17 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. Don’t read if you haven’t gotten this far in the game. S P O I L E R I’m in the tower of Judgment in Heave. I’ve managed to make it to the third floor and past te crusing floorboards but I can’t for te life of me figure out where to go next. I’ve been wandering aroud here for two days and can’t seem to locate either a stairway or a teleporter. So any help would be appreciated. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If
Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed.
Well I found the Tower of Fear and so I'm wandering through that. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:12 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. ah, I'll have to head back to purgetory again to see if I can give ol' pete another pounding :D. If I remember correctly the door to the tower of truth is somewhere on the right hand side of God's palace. This is again why I hope coordinates get added to the game in the next version sinse it'd make explaning where things are (as well as finding them in game), much easier. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. I found him by accident. It's St. Peter again. As for the towers I can't find anymore. I did find one door but it said I wasn't ready to enter. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:48 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. spoilers ahoy for heaven! As cruelclaw said, you need to do all four towards, judgement, truth, fear and the fourth which I forget (I'm on truth at the moment myself). Btw I didn't know there was a bos in purgitory, I always thought it was just a general area for grinding sinse I've been round there but couldn't dinf anything apart from lots of enemies, do you have an idea where the bos was on the stage? All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. S P O I L E R WellI completed the Tower of Judgment but now I'm not sure where to go. THe game didn't really tell me. I did visit Pergatory and fight a boss there but now I'm not sure Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:21 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. hi Bryan. Ouch, your nearly up to where I am, though I've not played for a few days so that isn't surprising. at the end of that long area with the falling floorboards there are several passages in the wall going right. One of them (I believe it's towards the bottom), leads to a flight of stairs that goes up to the next floor and the boss. hth. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:17 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Paladin of the Sky help needed. Don’t read if you haven’t gotten this far in the game. S P O I L E R I’m in the tower of Judgment in Heave. I’ve managed to make it to the third floor and past te crusing floorboards but I can’t for te life of me figure out where to go next. I’ve been wandering aroud here for two days and can’t seem to locate either a stairway or a teleporter. So any help would be appreciated. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] saitek pro flight system?
My tag line is appropriate in this instance. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] saitek pro flight system? Well, Sean, its like anything else. The more you practice the better you will get at it. There is no reason to be afraid of using a mouse, joystick, or touchscreen. Its just a different form of input, and once you use it more the more you'll grow comfortable with the technology. Just saying, I don't like this, and quitting is a definite path to failure. You'll never grow past your current skill level at that rate. As Master Yoda says, do or do not. There is no try. Cheers! On 8/10/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Well I do envy you I have always used keyboard, its the best thing, though to be honest and open anything which is not a button scares me a bit. Its why touchscreens some gamepads, sticks and mice I have found hard to embrace and control properly. I am sure I'll get it right some day. Thing is I am also trying to get off the system and failing. I have been offered a job offline that requires me to get off the computer for a bit. Though I have tried my best I have always found all the stuff I do is getting me on the pc most times of the day. When I play a game I'd ideally want a quick keyboard bash or if i have time to waste a story. At the same time I want to play games to. Sometimes I fhind it hard to juggle the 2 in fact right now I am spending to much time on the net and playing games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] saitek pro flight system?
How about moving the keyboard elsewhere and using that emptied space for the game controller? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] saitek pro flight system? Hi Shaun, Well, it is entirely possible your controller wasn't properly calibrated. By default they should already be calibrated, but if not you may need help getting it calibrated. That is one of those things that comes with owning and using a game controller. If you want it to work smoothly with your games it has to be calibrated else your results may very. As far as having or not having the space on your desk that's a bit of a personal problem. I am sure there are workarounds for it if you truly wanted to use a game controller. these days there are a number of wireless devices that you can use that hardly take up any physical space. If you properly hold it in your lap, not on a desk, it doesn't matter how much space you have on your desktop because one assumes you are holding it while using it rather than sitting it on a desk. When you are not using it all you need do is power off the unit and slide it in a drawer. I often keep mine in my laptop case when not in use. Either way, I think your argument of not having space is more an excuse rather than a justification for not having one. Cheers! On 8/10/14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: As another point to your message I did get a stick once to play some games and it did not work so well. I eventually soled it. I am now find it quite hard to the point I have stopped looking for it at least in the shops a propper joystick. I have an now crappy old ms gamepad but I could never position it properly to play it. If I could get a good pad maybe I'd try again but with the only real games being tdv of which I haven't played much and topspeed I really have not muched much. Swamp did get me to get a gaming mouse and maybe I'll try use that again in shades of doom2. Trouble is I have used the keyboard for so long that I am to used to it. space is another issue I can not host a perminant stick on my desk a pad maybe buut even so. Its a bit of a catch 22 situation there are not enough blind games that would get me to invest in a stick even if I could find one. And even if they were it looks like pads are all they have now and most for x box systems now. A lot of the shops here in new zealand have either stopped or are not selling many pc titles anymoe. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Alter Aeon August 2014 Updates
Alter Aeon is a well established MUD with a long history. Set in a world of swords and magic, we regularly update with new game content, features, and system-wide events. The game is blind friendly for the visually impaired. New and updated articles: - Updated article - Introduction to Healing in Groups. This article describes what being a healer in a group means, how to improve your skills as a healer, and things to look for to help you keep your group alive. - New article - Cleric Class Overview. This is an overview of the skills and spells available to clerics and some of their roles within the game. - New article - How to Use Channels on Alter Aeon. This article presents an overview of basic channel commands, including how to create and manage your own channels. Articles can be found on our articles pages, at: http://alteraeon.com/articles New and updated areas: - A new total level 120 group area containing obsidian trolls can be found north of Haun's Mill, in the southeastern section of the mainland. - A new level 17 area, the ruins of a destroyed drow city, has been discovered on the Island of Archais by the centaurs of Fort Magnesia. - Castle Dragnok, east of Ralnoth on the mainland, has been reworked and updated. It is now a level 31 area. - A new level 30 area, the abandoned stronghold of Clan Unforgiven, has been opened in the forest west of Ralnoth. - The burned out forest, a total level 114 area, has been opened west of Natchsburg. - The Drow mines around and under Old Thalos have been upgraded and extended. This area is now level 30. - The Clearwater Beach, and the nearby Ancestral Island, have been added to the Island of Kordan north of the city of Naphtali. These level 19 areas contain a number of quests and should help bridge the transition to the Island of Archais. There have also been a number of quest improvements, additions and links added on Archais. If you haven't done the quests there recently, you may want to check back at Gad's Landing and the surrounding areas. As always, use the 'area new' command in-game for a list of recent zones. We hope to see you there! Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] a bit of difficulty with Paladin of the sky
Hi there. Spoiler alert! I'm trying to find st Peter in Pergatory. I heard on here that someone had managed to find him, but I've looked everywhere, and I can't find him. Can anyone help? Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Some annoying news about audiogames.net
Charles said: This is why you should be notified directly rather than through an Email list for gamers. Charles, I agree IF the person knows your email address. As it happens, I use the email address that goes through our website for sending and receiving mail about the company. Only a few people know the other email I use for non-company stuff. That is why I would hope that someone would post information about our website being down, since we wouldn't get the email you sent directly. Eleanor Robinson 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a bit of difficulty with Paladin of the sky
I would but I found him more or less by accident. Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul. -Original Message- From: Stephen Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 3:51 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] a bit of difficulty with Paladin of the sky Hi there. Spoiler alert! I'm trying to find st Peter in Pergatory. I heard on here that someone had managed to find him, but I've looked everywhere, and I can't find him. Can anyone help? Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
