[Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Hi all, I recently ran across a site that was hosting a variety of audio books, movies and other stuff for download by the blind. Unfortunately, along with this mass market stuff were quite a few cracks of accessible games and other software designed for the blind. I was taken aback at finding this, as I naively thought no sensible blind person would host such damaging things. When you download an audiobook, you are taking away a bit of money from a company that is never going to miss it. Same for audio described movies to a lesser extent. But when people host cracks of accessible software, they are helping to cripple the development of that software. The accessible software market, and especially the accessible gaming market is extremely small, and even losing a few sales to piracy hurts. It discourages developers from working on games that we all enjoy, and most especially from putting in considerable time producing the kind of immerssive and complex games we are thirsting for. I would like to spearhead an effort to put a stop to this, as it is only hurting us all in the long run. If you know of any sites or servers out there hosting pirated accessible software, please write me off list and let me know. I will not mention your name, and I won't be a jerk to the person hosting the files. As I did in this case I mention, I will send a letter to the person hosting and ask them to please reconsider hosting files that put a bottleneck on a market that is already very small. No one is ever going to get rich making software for the blind, but the developers making the effort should have at least the small reward gained monetarily from the sale of their hard earned work. If we can get these sites to stop hosting such files, I promise you it will make a difference in what we all get to use and play with on our computers in the future. You can write me offlist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you like. I promise you any conversation on the topic will be held in strict confidence. Thanks for listening. Che ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
On a load of book sites I am on there is a load of cracked software. However in most of the sighted software thats been cracked there is this piece in the docs saying that if you like the software you should buy it. You take the good with the bad. At 05:31 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote: > Hi all, > I recently ran across a site that was hosting a variety of audio books, >movies and other stuff for download by the blind. > Unfortunately, along with this mass market stuff were quite a few cracks >of accessible games and other software designed for the blind. I was taken >aback at finding this, as I naively thought no sensible blind person would >host such damaging things. > When you download an audiobook, you are taking away a bit of money from a >company that is never going to miss it. Same for audio described movies to >a lesser extent. But when people host cracks of accessible software, they >are helping to cripple the development of that software. > The accessible software market, and especially the accessible gaming >market is extremely small, and even losing a few sales to piracy hurts. It >discourages developers from working on games that we all enjoy, and most >especially from putting in considerable time producing the kind of >immerssive and complex games we are thirsting for. > I would like to spearhead an effort to put a stop to this, as it is only >hurting us all in the long run. > If you know of any sites or servers out there hosting pirated accessible >software, please write me off list and let me know. I will not mention your >name, and I won't be a jerk to the person hosting the files. > As I did in this case I mention, I will send a letter to the person >hosting and ask them to please reconsider hosting files that put a >bottleneck on a market that is already very small. > No one is ever going to get rich making software for the blind, but the >developers making the effort should have at least the small reward gained >monetarily from the sale of their hard earned work. > If we can get these sites to stop hosting such files, I promise you it >will make a difference in what we all get to use and play with on our >computers in the future. > You can write me offlist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you like. I >promise you any conversation on the topic will be held in strict confidence. > Thanks for listening. > Che > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
well, not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is damaging his health. But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound forge and so on But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible price Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high quality but open source and free but not for mobile phones In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or partitions, was removed There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it is ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
it's all about economics. these companys like gw micro and fredom scientific have to charge a lot of money to pay their bills. realize they pay tech support people, sales people, programmers, as well as everyone else who works there. they have to pay for a ton of other things, so it's no surprise the software is expensive. is it fair? no. but, it's the way it is. and the blind computer market is a nich market, and piracy does hurt. not to stray too far off topic or anything, but I still think it's wrong that people host these sites where others have public access to illegal software. and maybe I have a biossed opinion, but then my games are up there on this site. so would you blame me? - Original Message - From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > well, > not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other > blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! > I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for > example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy > the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is > damaging his health. > But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of > softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for > mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... > Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as > VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound > forge and so on > But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have > free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend > less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are > blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible > price > Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a > tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high > quality but open source and free > but not for mobile phones > In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the > alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: > most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. > Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago > An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to > distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which > just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all > computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or > partitions, was removed > There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people > thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but > writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause > problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, > literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it is > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Liam: of course I do not blame you, but, I think these big companies (freedom scientific and so on), with their policies are just looking for people to crack The more the protection and policy is hard, the more people try to get away with it. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
JFW is also rather appealing for sighted people, that's one reason why you can get a crack for it. - Original Message - From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software Liam: of course I do not blame you, but, I think these big companies (freedom scientific and so on), with their policies are just looking for people to crack The more the protection and policy is hard, the more people try to get away with it. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Well, Necessary blindy software is not expensive. Or in fact it is, but you'll get the money back from your insurance company because you really need it. This includes screenreaders and speech synths, but the same goes for software like OmniPage Pro (OCR). - Original Message - From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software well, not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is damaging his health. But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound forge and so on But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible price Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high quality but open source and free but not for mobile phones In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or partitions, was removed There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it is ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
I agree that some accessible software is very expensive, but you have to consider the market this software is selling to and the complexity of the software itself. If Windows XP were only sold to the blind for example, it would cost several thousand dollars and frankly it would never happen as it would be a money loser for the company producing it. I for one am grateful that there are quality screenreaders out there for us at all, considering the heavy amount of time invested in writing this stuff. Later, Che - Original Message - From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > well, > not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other > blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! > I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for > example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy > the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is > damaging his health. > But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of > softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for > mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... > Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as > VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound > forge and so on > But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have > free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend > less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are > blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible > price > Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a > tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high > quality but open source and free > but not for mobile phones > In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the > alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: > most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. > Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago > An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to > distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which > just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all > computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or > partitions, was removed > There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people > thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but > writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause > problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, > literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it is > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Putting a line in a doc somewhere stating that one should buy the game is no justification for ripping off a developers hard earned code. I would much appreciate a list of these sites you refer to, you have my address. Thanks, Che - Original Message - From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > On a load of book sites I am on there is a load of cracked software. > However in most of the sighted software thats been cracked there is this > piece in the docs saying that if you like the software you should buy it. > You take the good with the bad. > At 05:31 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote: >> Hi all, >> I recently ran across a site that was hosting a variety of audio books, >>movies and other stuff for download by the blind. >> Unfortunately, along with this mass market stuff were quite a few cracks >>of accessible games and other software designed for the blind. I was >>taken >>aback at finding this, as I naively thought no sensible blind person would >>host such damaging things. >> When you download an audiobook, you are taking away a bit of money from >> a >>company that is never going to miss it. Same for audio described movies >>to >>a lesser extent. But when people host cracks of accessible software, they >>are helping to cripple the development of that software. >> The accessible software market, and especially the accessible gaming >>market is extremely small, and even losing a few sales to piracy hurts. >>It >>discourages developers from working on games that we all enjoy, and most >>especially from putting in considerable time producing the kind of >>immerssive and complex games we are thirsting for. >> I would like to spearhead an effort to put a stop to this, as it is only >>hurting us all in the long run. >> If you know of any sites or servers out there hosting pirated accessible >>software, please write me off list and let me know. I will not mention >>your >>name, and I won't be a jerk to the person hosting the files. >> As I did in this case I mention, I will send a letter to the person >>hosting and ask them to please reconsider hosting files that put a >>bottleneck on a market that is already very small. >> No one is ever going to get rich making software for the blind, but the >>developers making the effort should have at least the small reward gained >>monetarily from the sale of their hard earned work. >> If we can get these sites to stop hosting such files, I promise you it >>will make a difference in what we all get to use and play with on our >>computers in the future. >> You can write me offlist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you like. I >>promise you any conversation on the topic will be held in strict >>confidence. >> Thanks for listening. >> Che >> >> >>___ >>Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >>visit >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>any subscription changes via the web. > > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
maybe what should happen is programmers should get together and using python enhance NVDA and make it just as good as jaws and window-eyes. There would be some real competition there if freedom scientific and gw-micro would have to contend with a free and open source screen that is just as powerful as the paid stuff is. Josh - Original Message - From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > Liam: of course I do not blame you, but, I think these big companies > (freedom scientific and so on), with their policies are just looking > for people to crack > The more the protection and policy is hard, the more people try to > get away with it. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
how and why is jfw appealing for sighted people? I thought that jfw was for blind people. Josh - Original Message - From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > JFW is also rather appealing for sighted people, that's one reason why you > can get a crack for it. > - Original Message - > From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:08 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > > Liam: of course I do not blame you, but, I think these big companies > (freedom scientific and so on), with their policies are just looking > for people to crack > The more the protection and policy is hard, the more people try to > get away with it. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
I hope NVDA becomes as good as jaws or window-eyes someday. Josh - Original Message - From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > I agree that some accessible software is very expensive, but you have to > consider the market this software is selling to and the complexity of the > software itself. > If Windows XP were only sold to the blind for example, it would cost > several thousand dollars and frankly it would never happen as it would be > a > money loser for the company producing it. > I for one am grateful that there are quality screenreaders out there for > us at all, considering the heavy amount of time invested in writing this > stuff. > Later, > Che > > - Original Message - > From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:50 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> well, >> not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other >> blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! >> I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for >> example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy >> the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is >> damaging his health. >> But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of >> softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for >> mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... >> Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as >> VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound >> forge and so on >> But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have >> free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend >> less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are >> blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible >> price >> Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a >> tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high >> quality but open source and free >> but not for mobile phones >> In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the >> alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: >> most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. >> Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago >> An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to >> distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which >> just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all >> computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or >> partitions, was removed >> There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people >> thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but >> writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause >> problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, >> literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it >> is >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Because of the speech abilities I suppose. That's at least what I read on the Web a while ago. - Original Message - From: "Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software how and why is jfw appealing for sighted people? I thought that jfw was for blind people. Josh - Original Message - From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > JFW is also rather appealing for sighted people, that's one reason why you > can get a crack for it. > - Original Message - > From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:08 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > > Liam: of course I do not blame you, but, I think these big companies > (freedom scientific and so on), with their policies are just looking > for people to crack > The more the protection and policy is hard, the more people try to > get away with it. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
I agree that a lot of Access Technology is real expensive. However, what we here at Gw Micro have done to try and help the end user is come up with a payment plan. This is good for someone who wants to purchase Window-Eyes with their own money and cannot afford the total cost up front. Liam has already very well stated why AT tends to be more expensive and so i will not get into that. Just know that it's not just AT which is real expensive. Have you seen the latest cost of Microsoft Office 2007 lately? How about Microsoft MySQL for multiple Enterprise machines? What I'm saying is that software, development, and support is not cheap. If you want to learn about the Window-Eyes payment plan, visit www.gwmicro.com/lto where you can get all the details. We really need to get back on topic now. Many thanks. -- Raul A. Gallegos .. Co-Moderator | http://www.asmodean.net - Original Message - From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > well, > not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other > blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! > I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for > example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy > the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is > damaging his health. > But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of > softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for > mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... > Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as > VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound > forge and so on > But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have > free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend > less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are > blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible > price > Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a > tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high > quality but open source and free > but not for mobile phones > In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the > alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: > most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. > Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago > An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to > distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which > just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all > computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or > partitions, was removed > There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people > thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but > writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause > problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, > literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it is > > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
All the sighted people I know that have used at one time my computer find it absolutely without question to be annoying. - Original Message - From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software Because of the speech abilities I suppose. That's at least what I read on the Web a while ago. - Original Message - ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
I understand, thats why nvda exists. I have seen pirated coppys of such things as screenreaders but have refused the temptation. I won't argue I have felt the urge. This is probably one reason why the opensource industry started. No copywrite or vary little. Its a comunity copywrite really. And most stuff is nicely put in something like creative commans or gpl. At 08:50 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote: >well, >not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other >blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! >I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for >example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy >the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is >damaging his health. >But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of >softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for >mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... >Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as >VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound >forge and so on >But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have >free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend >less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are >blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible price >Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a >tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high >quality but open source and free >but not for mobile phones >In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the >alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: >most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. >Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago >An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to >distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which >just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all >computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or >partitions, was removed >There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people >thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but >writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause >problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, >literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it is > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
I wouldn't blame you but yeah I get reminded about prices of products almost every day. Thats one reason why I have not upgraded and one reason why I am happy that some of my stuff was funded I could never pay for it. Another thing is office, my brother uses it, my dad just couldn't justify the upgrade. At 08:52 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote: >it's all about economics. >these companys like gw micro and fredom scientific have to charge a lot of >money to pay their bills. realize they pay tech support people, sales >people, programmers, as well as everyone else who works there. they have to >pay for a ton of other things, so it's no surprise the software is >expensive. is it fair? no. but, it's the way it is. and the blind >computer market is a nich market, and piracy does hurt. not to stray too >far off topic or anything, but I still think it's wrong that people host >these sites where others have public access to illegal software. and maybe >I have a biossed opinion, but then my games are up there on this site. so >would you blame me? > > > >- Original Message - >From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:50 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> well, >> not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other >> blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! >> I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for >> example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy >> the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is >> damaging his health. >> But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of >> softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for >> mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... >> Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as >> VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound >> forge and so on >> But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have >> free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend >> less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are >> blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible >> price >> Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a >> tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high >> quality but open source and free >> but not for mobile phones >> In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the >> alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: >> most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. >> Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago >> An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to >> distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which >> just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all >> computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or >> partitions, was removed >> There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people >> thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but >> writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause >> problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, >> literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it is >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
All the sighted people I know that have used at one time my computer find it absolutely without question to be annoying. - Original Message - From: "Davy Kager" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Josh" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; "Gamers Discussion list" < gamers@audyssey.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software Because of the speech abilities I suppose. That's at least what I read on the Web a while ago. - Original Message - ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
and if NVDA would become as powerful as jaws or window-eyes then freedom scientif c would have some serious competition. Josh - Original Message - From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >I understand, thats why nvda exists. > I have seen pirated coppys of such things as screenreaders but have > refused the temptation. > I won't argue I have felt the urge. > This is probably one reason why the opensource industry started. > No copywrite or vary little. > Its a comunity copywrite really. > And most stuff is nicely put in something like creative commans or gpl. > At 08:50 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote: >>well, >>not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other >>blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! >>I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for >>example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy >>the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is >>damaging his health. >>But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of >>softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for >>mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... >>Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as >>VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound >>forge and so on >>But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have >>free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend >>less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are >>blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible >>price >>Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a >>tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high >>quality but open source and free >>but not for mobile phones >>In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the >>alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: >>most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. >>Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago >>An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to >>distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which >>just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all >>computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or >>partitions, was removed >>There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people >>thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but >>writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause >>problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, >>literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it is >> >> >>___ >>Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >>visit >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>any subscription changes via the web. > > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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mail me privately offlist about this. I'd like to know how this works. The way I have to get software that you need to buy other than downloading it, is quite dificult. I need to go through a funding agency linked to the government. I have a yearly limit of 5000 and a student limit of 15000. I place an order for what I want and why, and I need a good reason for that. Then I need to have a couple interviews. After that when the cash is avalible I will get the stuff. The whatever I get may be the cheapest thing in existance and it will die and bad things. The first pc through such things did this. I'd be interested how I would go about getting this through insurance, I have never gone down this root. But there is always this thing about me needing to get more cash for new things because I need to replace things sooner or later. At 10:29 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote: >Well, >Necessary blindy software is not expensive. Or in fact it is, but you'll get >the money back from your insurance company because you really need it. This >includes screenreaders and speech synths, but the same goes for software >like OmniPage Pro (OCR). >- Original Message - >From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:50 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >well, >not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other >blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! >I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for >example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy >the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is >damaging his health. >But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of >softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for >mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... >Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as >VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound >forge and so on >But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have >free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend >less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are >blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible price >Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a >tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high >quality but open source and free >but not for mobile phones >In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the >alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: >most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. >Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago >An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to >distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which >just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all >computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or >partitions, was removed >There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people >thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but >writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause >problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, >literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it is > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
thats human nature. To be fare I think the general consumer pirate is not a problem, its the people in china selling products for a buck cracked in my opinion that are the biggest bad guys. Not even I would go that low. One must draw the line somewhere. There is a difference betwene bending some rules and doing a few bad things than being totally evil. I pride myself on being almost totally free. The only stuff i have that is not free that I have either got or purchaced is office, windows, soundforge. Thats it. the rest is freeware. and aph studio recorder is another additon to my list of purchaces. I also have brought a load of bg stuff. I also have power dvd and nero that came with my dvd player. True I have made them non oem versions, however i have the software copy for that. At 09:08 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote: >Liam: of course I do not blame you, but, I think these big companies >(freedom scientific and so on), with their policies are just looking >for people to crack >The more the protection and policy is hard, the more people try to >get away with it. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
why is jfw appealing for sighted. At 10:31 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote: >JFW is also rather appealing for sighted people, that's one reason why you >can get a crack for it. >- Original Message - >From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:08 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > >Liam: of course I do not blame you, but, I think these big companies >(freedom scientific and so on), with their policies are just looking >for people to crack >The more the protection and policy is hard, the more people try to >get away with it. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Well, I don't know. It's been posted on usenet quite a few times anyway. - Original Message - From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software why is jfw appealing for sighted. At 10:31 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote: >JFW is also rather appealing for sighted people, that's one reason why you >can get a crack for it. >- Original Message - >From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:08 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > >Liam: of course I do not blame you, but, I think these big companies >(freedom scientific and so on), with their policies are just looking >for people to crack >The more the protection and policy is hard, the more people try to >get away with it. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
It's definitely government-linked, but it's like an insurance system here. Or not really, but I can't find the appropriate word. They'll sometimes decide what you're going to get, but not always. For instance, I can chose a new braille line and almost every reasonable 40-cells model will be excepted since my old one is 5 years old. But that's how things are done here, probably not over there. - Original Message - From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software mail me privately offlist about this. I'd like to know how this works. The way I have to get software that you need to buy other than downloading it, is quite dificult. I need to go through a funding agency linked to the government. I have a yearly limit of 5000 and a student limit of 15000. I place an order for what I want and why, and I need a good reason for that. Then I need to have a couple interviews. After that when the cash is avalible I will get the stuff. The whatever I get may be the cheapest thing in existance and it will die and bad things. The first pc through such things did this. I'd be interested how I would go about getting this through insurance, I have never gone down this root. But there is always this thing about me needing to get more cash for new things because I need to replace things sooner or later. At 10:29 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote: >Well, >Necessary blindy software is not expensive. Or in fact it is, but you'll >get >the money back from your insurance company because you really need it. This >includes screenreaders and speech synths, but the same goes for software >like OmniPage Pro (OCR). >- Original Message - >From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:50 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >well, >not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other >blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! >I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for >example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy >the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is >damaging his health. >But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of >softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for >mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... >Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as >VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound >forge and so on >But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have >free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend >less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are >blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible >price >Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a >tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high >quality but open source and free >but not for mobile phones >In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the >alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: >most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. >Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago >An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to >distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which >just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all >computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or >partitions, was removed >There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people >thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but >writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause >problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, >literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it is > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://au
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The problem is the pirate, regardless of the reason why he or she does it, or how often, or where he or she lives. The problem is the thief, and that is what a pirate is. Period. -- If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. - Original Message - From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > thats human nature. > To be fare I think the general consumer pirate is not a problem, its the > people in china selling products for a buck cracked in my opinion that are > the biggest bad guys. > Not even I would go that low. > One must draw the line somewhere. > There is a difference betwene bending some rules and doing a few bad > things than being totally evil. > I pride myself on being almost totally free. > The only stuff i have that is not free that I have either got or purchaced > is office, windows, soundforge. > Thats it. > the rest is freeware. > and aph studio recorder is another additon to my list of purchaces. > I also have brought a load of bg stuff. > I also have power dvd and nero that came with my dvd player. > True I have made them non oem versions, however i have the software copy > for that. > At 09:08 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote: > >>Liam: of course I do not blame you, but, I think these big companies >>(freedom scientific and so on), with their policies are just looking >>for people to crack >>The more the protection and policy is hard, the more people try to >>get away with it. >> >> >>___ >>Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >>visit >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>any subscription changes via the web. > > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
all these sites have gone down. All of them are no more. The latest site I am on is all audio, old records and things. no games though. To be fair most sites I have been on are not full of cracked things. At 12:22 a.m. 24/05/2007, you wrote: > Putting a line in a doc somewhere stating that one should buy the game is >no justification for ripping off a developers hard earned code. > I would much appreciate a list of these sites you refer to, you have my >address. > Thanks, > Che > >- Original Message - >From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:13 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> On a load of book sites I am on there is a load of cracked software. >> However in most of the sighted software thats been cracked there is this >> piece in the docs saying that if you like the software you should buy it. >> You take the good with the bad. >> At 05:31 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I recently ran across a site that was hosting a variety of audio books, >>>movies and other stuff for download by the blind. >>> Unfortunately, along with this mass market stuff were quite a few cracks >>>of accessible games and other software designed for the blind. I was >>>taken >>>aback at finding this, as I naively thought no sensible blind person would >>>host such damaging things. >>> When you download an audiobook, you are taking away a bit of money from >>> a >>>company that is never going to miss it. Same for audio described movies >>>to >>>a lesser extent. But when people host cracks of accessible software, they >>>are helping to cripple the development of that software. >>> The accessible software market, and especially the accessible gaming >>>market is extremely small, and even losing a few sales to piracy hurts. >>>It >>>discourages developers from working on games that we all enjoy, and most >>>especially from putting in considerable time producing the kind of >>>immerssive and complex games we are thirsting for. >>> I would like to spearhead an effort to put a stop to this, as it is only >>>hurting us all in the long run. >>> If you know of any sites or servers out there hosting pirated accessible >>>software, please write me off list and let me know. I will not mention >>>your >>>name, and I won't be a jerk to the person hosting the files. >>> As I did in this case I mention, I will send a letter to the person >>>hosting and ask them to please reconsider hosting files that put a >>>bottleneck on a market that is already very small. >>> No one is ever going to get rich making software for the blind, but the >>>developers making the effort should have at least the small reward gained >>>monetarily from the sale of their hard earned work. >>> If we can get these sites to stop hosting such files, I promise you it >>>will make a difference in what we all get to use and play with on our >>>computers in the future. >>> You can write me offlist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you like. I >>>promise you any conversation on the topic will be held in strict >>>confidence. >>> Thanks for listening. >>> Che >>> >>> >>>___ >>>Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>>To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >>>visit >>>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>>any subscription changes via the web. >> >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Hi, regarding being on topic, I think this this is absolutely on topic. If we don't do something about the rampant piracy of accessible games out there, we are going to have a harder and harder time convincing developers to spend the time to develop quality games, and I am one of those developers along with several others on this list. If we can convince just a handful of these sites to not host this crap, we will be doing ourselves a great service in the long run. - Original Message - From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >I agree that a lot of Access Technology is real expensive. However, what we > here at Gw Micro have done to try and help the end user is come up with a > payment plan. This is good for someone who wants to purchase Window-Eyes > with their own money and cannot afford the total cost up front. Liam has > already very well stated why AT tends to be more expensive and so i will > not > get into that. Just know that it's not just AT which is real expensive. > Have > you seen the latest cost of Microsoft Office 2007 lately? How about > Microsoft MySQL for multiple Enterprise machines? What I'm saying is that > software, development, and support is not cheap. > > If you want to learn about the Window-Eyes payment plan, visit > www.gwmicro.com/lto where you can get all the details. > > We really need to get back on topic now. Many thanks. > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos .. Co-Moderator | http://www.asmodean.net > > - Original Message - > From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:50 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> well, >> not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other >> blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! >> I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for >> example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy >> the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is >> damaging his health. >> But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of >> softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for >> mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... >> Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as >> VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound >> forge and so on >> But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have >> free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend >> less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are >> blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible >> price >> Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a >> tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high >> quality but open source and free >> but not for mobile phones >> In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the >> alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: >> most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. >> Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago >> An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to >> distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which >> just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all >> computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or >> partitions, was removed >> There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people >> thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but >> writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause >> problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, >> literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it >> is >> >> > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Che. I'm all for discussing anything game related, even if it's what to do about piracy. What I was referring to was the subject getting off topic when it comes to screen readers, how to get rehab to purchase them for you, and things, not game related. I wish I had an answer on what to do to help stop people spreading pirated copies of games around, but from what I've seen, even code schemes which lock the unlock code to one machine is breakable. What really floors me is how much time and effort some go just to avoid paying a simple $30 or $40 game license. -- Raul A. Gallegos | http://www.asmodean.net - Original Message - From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > Hi, regarding being on topic, I think this this is absolutely on topic. > If we don't do something about the rampant piracy of accessible games out > there, we are going to have a harder and harder time convincing developers > to spend the time to develop quality games, and I am one of those > developers > along with several others on this list. > If we can convince just a handful of these sites to not host this crap, > we > will be doing ourselves a great service in the long run. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Wow, I've been rather productive today! Don't know how many messages I sent, but it's quite a few. Anyway, this just popped up in my mind. I think the main problem is the instant messaging sharing. I mean people who own cracked software and share them with friends, and those friends will certainly share it themselves. Thus you'll get a whole chain of people that is hard to stop. - Original Message - From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software Hi, regarding being on topic, I think this this is absolutely on topic. If we don't do something about the rampant piracy of accessible games out there, we are going to have a harder and harder time convincing developers to spend the time to develop quality games, and I am one of those developers along with several others on this list. If we can convince just a handful of these sites to not host this crap, we will be doing ourselves a great service in the long run. - Original Message - From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >I agree that a lot of Access Technology is real expensive. However, what we > here at Gw Micro have done to try and help the end user is come up with a > payment plan. This is good for someone who wants to purchase Window-Eyes > with their own money and cannot afford the total cost up front. Liam has > already very well stated why AT tends to be more expensive and so i will > not > get into that. Just know that it's not just AT which is real expensive. > Have > you seen the latest cost of Microsoft Office 2007 lately? How about > Microsoft MySQL for multiple Enterprise machines? What I'm saying is that > software, development, and support is not cheap. > > If you want to learn about the Window-Eyes payment plan, visit > www.gwmicro.com/lto where you can get all the details. > > We really need to get back on topic now. Many thanks. > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos .. Co-Moderator | http://www.asmodean.net > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:50 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> well, >> not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other >> blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! >> I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for >> example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy >> the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is >> damaging his health. >> But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of >> softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for >> mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... >> Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as >> VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound >> forge and so on >> But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have >> free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend >> less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are >> blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible >> price >> Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a >> tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high >> quality but open source and free >> but not for mobile phones >> In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the >> alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: >> most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. >> Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago >> An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to >> distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which >> just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all >> computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or >> partitions, was removed >> There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people >> thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but >> writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause >> problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, >> literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it >> is >> >> > > > _
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Just my thought, but screen reader piracy isn't on topic for the list. Games are, so that part of the discussion would be OK. -- If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. - Original Message - From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > Hi, regarding being on topic, I think this this is absolutely on topic. > If we don't do something about the rampant piracy of accessible games out > there, we are going to have a harder and harder time convincing developers > to spend the time to develop quality games, and I am one of those > developers > along with several others on this list. > If we can convince just a handful of these sites to not host this crap, > we > will be doing ourselves a great service in the long run. > > - Original Message - > From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >>I agree that a lot of Access Technology is real expensive. However, what >>we >> here at Gw Micro have done to try and help the end user is come up with a >> payment plan. This is good for someone who wants to purchase Window-Eyes >> with their own money and cannot afford the total cost up front. Liam has >> already very well stated why AT tends to be more expensive and so i will >> not >> get into that. Just know that it's not just AT which is real expensive. >> Have >> you seen the latest cost of Microsoft Office 2007 lately? How about >> Microsoft MySQL for multiple Enterprise machines? What I'm saying is that >> software, development, and support is not cheap. >> >> If you want to learn about the Window-Eyes payment plan, visit >> www.gwmicro.com/lto where you can get all the details. >> >> We really need to get back on topic now. Many thanks. >> >> -- >> Raul A. Gallegos .. Co-Moderator | http://www.asmodean.net >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:50 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >> >> >>> well, >>> not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other >>> blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! >>> I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for >>> example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy >>> the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is >>> damaging his health. >>> But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of >>> softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for >>> mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... >>> Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as >>> VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound >>> forge and so on >>> But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have >>> free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend >>> less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are >>> blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible >>> price >>> Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a >>> tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high >>> quality but open source and free >>> but not for mobile phones >>> In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the >>> alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: >>> most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. >>> Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago >>> An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to >>> distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which >>> just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all >>> computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or >>> partitions, was removed >>> There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people >>> thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but >>> writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause >>> problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa"
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Ah, my apologies. Yes, it does look like we strayed a good bit here. Anyhow, if anyone comes across a site hosting this stuff, please email me off list and let me know. I don't mind spending the time getting in touch with the owners and asking them to reconsider what they are doing. Later, Che - Original Message - From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > Che. I'm all for discussing anything game related, even if it's what to do > about piracy. What I was referring to was the subject getting off topic > when > it comes to screen readers, how to get rehab to purchase them for you, and > things, not game related. > > I wish I had an answer on what to do to help stop people spreading pirated > copies of games around, but from what I've seen, even code schemes which > lock the unlock code to one machine is breakable. What really floors me is > how much time and effort some go just to avoid paying a simple $30 or $40 > game license. > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos | http://www.asmodean.net > > - Original Message - > From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> Hi, regarding being on topic, I think this this is absolutely on topic. >> If we don't do something about the rampant piracy of accessible games out >> there, we are going to have a harder and harder time convincing >> developers >> to spend the time to develop quality games, and I am one of those >> developers >> along with several others on this list. >> If we can convince just a handful of these sites to not host this crap, >> we >> will be doing ourselves a great service in the long run. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
It may be appealing as a demo, but a sighted person would never toss up 500-800 bucks out of sheer curiosity, unless they had a whole lot of cash to throw around. From experience, most sighted people, when they get curious about jaws, work from the demo version. - Original Message - From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > Because of the speech abilities I suppose. That's at least what I read on > the Web a while ago. > - Original Message - > From: "Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > how and why is jfw appealing for sighted people? I thought that jfw was > for > blind people. > > Josh > > - Original Message - > From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:31 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> JFW is also rather appealing for sighted people, that's one reason why >> you >> can get a crack for it. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >> >> >> >> Liam: of course I do not blame you, but, I think these big companies >> (freedom scientific and so on), with their policies are just looking >> for people to crack >> The more the protection and policy is hard, the more people try to >> get away with it. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
how many sited people do any of you know of who use jaws? On 5/23/07, Che <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Putting a line in a doc somewhere stating that one should buy the game is > no justification for ripping off a developers hard earned code. > I would much appreciate a list of these sites you refer to, you have my > address. > Thanks, > Che > > - Original Message - > From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:13 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > > On a load of book sites I am on there is a load of cracked software. > > However in most of the sighted software thats been cracked there is this > > piece in the docs saying that if you like the software you should buy it. > > You take the good with the bad. > > At 05:31 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> I recently ran across a site that was hosting a variety of audio books, > >>movies and other stuff for download by the blind. > >> Unfortunately, along with this mass market stuff were quite a few cracks > >>of accessible games and other software designed for the blind. I was > >>taken > >>aback at finding this, as I naively thought no sensible blind person would > >>host such damaging things. > >> When you download an audiobook, you are taking away a bit of money from > >> a > >>company that is never going to miss it. Same for audio described movies > >>to > >>a lesser extent. But when people host cracks of accessible software, they > >>are helping to cripple the development of that software. > >> The accessible software market, and especially the accessible gaming > >>market is extremely small, and even losing a few sales to piracy hurts. > >>It > >>discourages developers from working on games that we all enjoy, and most > >>especially from putting in considerable time producing the kind of > >>immerssive and complex games we are thirsting for. > >> I would like to spearhead an effort to put a stop to this, as it is only > >>hurting us all in the long run. > >> If you know of any sites or servers out there hosting pirated accessible > >>software, please write me off list and let me know. I will not mention > >>your > >>name, and I won't be a jerk to the person hosting the files. > >> As I did in this case I mention, I will send a letter to the person > >>hosting and ask them to please reconsider hosting files that put a > >>bottleneck on a market that is already very small. > >> No one is ever going to get rich making software for the blind, but the > >>developers making the effort should have at least the small reward gained > >>monetarily from the sale of their hard earned work. > >> If we can get these sites to stop hosting such files, I promise you it > >>will make a difference in what we all get to use and play with on our > >>computers in the future. > >> You can write me offlist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you like. I > >>promise you any conversation on the topic will be held in strict > >>confidence. > >> Thanks for listening. > >> Che > >> > >> > >>___ > >>Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > >>To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > >>visit > >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > >>any subscription changes via the web. > > > > > > > > ___ > > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > > visit > > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > > any subscription changes via the web. > > > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
I agree. There's a kid on AudioGames.net who's asked several people to send him unlock codes for Pinball Xtreme and SOD, then gotten upset when they refused to do so. I hear these excuses about not having a credit card or a paypal account. I'm sorry, but get one or be real nice to a friend or family member and they just might buy them for you. Bryan and Jennie, the Engaged Audio Gamers. - Original Message - From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > Che. I'm all for discussing anything game related, even if it's what to do > about piracy. What I was referring to was the subject getting off topic > when > it comes to screen readers, how to get rehab to purchase them for you, and > things, not game related. > > I wish I had an answer on what to do to help stop people spreading pirated > copies of games around, but from what I've seen, even code schemes which > lock the unlock code to one machine is breakable. What really floors me is > how much time and effort some go just to avoid paying a simple $30 or $40 > game license. > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos | http://www.asmodean.net > > - Original Message - > From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> Hi, regarding being on topic, I think this this is absolutely on topic. >> If we don't do something about the rampant piracy of accessible games out >> there, we are going to have a harder and harder time convincing >> developers >> to spend the time to develop quality games, and I am one of those >> developers >> along with several others on this list. >> If we can convince just a handful of these sites to not host this crap, >> we >> will be doing ourselves a great service in the long run. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
well thats what is happening with nvda although its slow. I am confordent we will get there. However we are not thee yet. There firstly is this thing about vertual buffers and other tech things that need to be done outside the project. Then there is the video hook thing. We have decided to not use intercepters, and we have flashdrive support. The synth is opensource and the reader is opensource. I do hope that we can create some competition. I have a friend that needs a reader, and well he has no cash. Luckily for him I have old versions I really don't need so he borrows them. Still. These are sn4 and hal 5.01 both of which I don't need. I asked permission about the software, what I can do with it and they don't care about old stuff. Ofcause everything has activations. Nvda will succeed I am sure of that one. At 01:40 a.m. 24/05/2007, you wrote: >maybe what should happen is programmers should get together and using python >enhance NVDA and make it just as good as jaws and window-eyes. There would >be some real competition there if freedom scientific and gw-micro would have >to contend with a free and open source screen that is just as powerful as >the paid stuff is. > >Josh > >- Original Message - >From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:08 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> >> Liam: of course I do not blame you, but, I think these big companies >> (freedom scientific and so on), with their policies are just looking >> for people to crack >> The more the protection and policy is hard, the more people try to >> get away with it. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
yeah, all software in general is expensive all the popular ones I think. Yeah we should get back to gaming. At 02:30 a.m. 24/05/2007, you wrote: >I agree that a lot of Access Technology is real expensive. However, what we >here at Gw Micro have done to try and help the end user is come up with a >payment plan. This is good for someone who wants to purchase Window-Eyes >with their own money and cannot afford the total cost up front. Liam has >already very well stated why AT tends to be more expensive and so i will not >get into that. Just know that it's not just AT which is real expensive. Have >you seen the latest cost of Microsoft Office 2007 lately? How about >Microsoft MySQL for multiple Enterprise machines? What I'm saying is that >software, development, and support is not cheap. > >If you want to learn about the Window-Eyes payment plan, visit >www.gwmicro.com/lto where you can get all the details. > >We really need to get back on topic now. Many thanks. > >-- >Raul A. Gallegos .. Co-Moderator | http://www.asmodean.net > >- Original Message - >From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:50 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> well, >> not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other >> blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! >> I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for >> example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy >> the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is >> damaging his health. >> But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of >> softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for >> mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... >> Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as >> VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound >> forge and so on >> But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have >> free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend >> less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are >> blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible >> price >> Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a >> tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high >> quality but open source and free >> but not for mobile phones >> In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the >> alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: >> most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. >> Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago >> An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to >> distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which >> just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all >> computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or >> partitions, was removed >> There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people >> thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but >> writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause >> problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, >> literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it is >> >> > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
yeah I know. I wander apart from making opensource readers if there is anyway to get prices to go down on software. Its rather hefty and although I do aggree that its vary specialised and high quality its to expencive for a load of us to get without funding. Even the upgrades cost a load. At 12:25 a.m. 24/05/2007, you wrote: > I agree that some accessible software is very expensive, but you have to >consider the market this software is selling to and the complexity of the >software itself. > If Windows XP were only sold to the blind for example, it would cost >several thousand dollars and frankly it would never happen as it would be a >money loser for the company producing it. > I for one am grateful that there are quality screenreaders out there for >us at all, considering the heavy amount of time invested in writing this >stuff. > Later, > Che > >- Original Message - >From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:50 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> well, >> not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other >> blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! >> I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for >> example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy >> the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is >> damaging his health. >> But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of >> softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for >> mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... >> Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as >> VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound >> forge and so on >> But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have >> free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend >> less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are >> blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible >> price >> Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a >> tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high >> quality but open source and free >> but not for mobile phones >> In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the >> alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: >> most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. >> Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago >> An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to >> distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which >> just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all >> computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or >> partitions, was removed >> There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people >> thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but >> writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause >> problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, >> literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it is >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
thats the reason the project started josh. At 01:45 a.m. 24/05/2007, you wrote: >I hope NVDA becomes as good as jaws or window-eyes someday. > >Josh > >- Original Message - >From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:25 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> I agree that some accessible software is very expensive, but you have to >> consider the market this software is selling to and the complexity of the >> software itself. >> If Windows XP were only sold to the blind for example, it would cost >> several thousand dollars and frankly it would never happen as it would be >> a >> money loser for the company producing it. >> I for one am grateful that there are quality screenreaders out there for >> us at all, considering the heavy amount of time invested in writing this >> stuff. >> Later, >> Che >> >> - Original Message ----- >> From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:50 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >> >> >>> well, >>> not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other >>> blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! >>> I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for >>> example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy >>> the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is >>> damaging his health. >>> But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of >>> softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for >>> mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... >>> Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as >>> VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound >>> forge and so on >>> But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have >>> free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend >>> less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are >>> blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible >>> price >>> Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a >>> tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high >>> quality but open source and free >>> but not for mobile phones >>> In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the >>> alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: >>> most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. >>> Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago >>> An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to >>> distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which >>> just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all >>> computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or >>> partitions, was removed >>> There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people >>> thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but >>> writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause >>> problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, >>> literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it >>> is >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >>> visit >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>> any subscription changes via the web. >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
yeah I know. The only command they know is to quit, or even uninstall and thats it. At 05:35 a.m. 24/05/2007, you wrote: >All the sighted people I know that have used at one time my computer find it >absolutely without question to be annoying. > >- Original Message - >From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gamers Discussion list" > >Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:18 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >Because of the speech abilities I suppose. That's at least what I read on >the Web a while ago. >- Original Message - > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
i don't blame you one bit, when you see what's taking place with your hard work, when people could just get it off some website. it's like you doing something and putting your best stuff into it, and getting to find out some one is making money off your produce. that could be a pain. it's the same thing with my band and cd's. - Original Message - From: "Liam Erven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:52 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > it's all about economics. > these companys like gw micro and fredom scientific have to charge a lot of > money to pay their bills. realize they pay tech support people, sales > people, programmers, as well as everyone else who works there. they have > to > pay for a ton of other things, so it's no surprise the software is > expensive. is it fair? no. but, it's the way it is. and the blind > computer market is a nich market, and piracy does hurt. not to stray too > far off topic or anything, but I still think it's wrong that people host > these sites where others have public access to illegal software. and > maybe > I have a biossed opinion, but then my games are up there on this site. > so > would you blame me? > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:50 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> well, >> not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other >> blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! >> I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for >> example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy >> the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is >> damaging his health. >> But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of >> softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for >> mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... >> Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as >> VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound >> forge and so on >> But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have >> free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend >> less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are >> blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible >> price >> Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a >> tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high >> quality but open source and free >> but not for mobile phones >> In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the >> alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: >> most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. >> Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago >> An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to >> distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which >> just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all >> computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or >> partitions, was removed >> There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people >> thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but >> writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause >> problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, >> literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it >> is >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Oh well, if he's upset let him be upset. It's not that hard to put out $30 for a game. In fact the only reason I didn't buy the harry potter game yet is because I didn't get that far n the demo. Of course I haven't been playing it that much either. I like the game though. And once I become more familiar with it and my wife also has more time to play it then I'll buy codes for us. Josh - Original Message - From: "Bryan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >I agree. There's a kid on AudioGames.net who's asked several people to send > him unlock codes for Pinball Xtreme and SOD, then gotten upset when they > refused to do so. I hear these excuses about not having a credit card or a > paypal account. I'm sorry, but get one or be real nice to a friend or > family > member and they just might buy them for you. > Bryan and Jennie, the Engaged Audio Gamers. > - Original Message - > From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> Che. I'm all for discussing anything game related, even if it's what to >> do >> about piracy. What I was referring to was the subject getting off topic >> when >> it comes to screen readers, how to get rehab to purchase them for you, >> and >> things, not game related. >> >> I wish I had an answer on what to do to help stop people spreading >> pirated >> copies of games around, but from what I've seen, even code schemes which >> lock the unlock code to one machine is breakable. What really floors me >> is >> how much time and effort some go just to avoid paying a simple $30 or $40 >> game license. >> >> -- >> Raul A. Gallegos | http://www.asmodean.net >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >> >> >>> Hi, regarding being on topic, I think this this is absolutely on >>> topic. >>> If we don't do something about the rampant piracy of accessible games >>> out >>> there, we are going to have a harder and harder time convincing >>> developers >>> to spend the time to develop quality games, and I am one of those >>> developers >>> along with several others on this list. >>> If we can convince just a handful of these sites to not host this crap, >>> we >>> will be doing ourselves a great service in the long run. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Hi Che, Yeah, there have been quite a few sites out there over the passed few years whereyou could get cracked games, screen readers, and so on. I've heard of a few and visited them, and I have seen some of my own work being illegally shared there. Bottom line though there isnt much we can do about them. We can get the sites to probably remove the content, shut it down, but with send space, you send it, and other file sharing sights it does make it even harder to track stolen games and software. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Hi Shaun, Regardless of weather someone puts an, " if you like this buy it, " type message on it it is still software piracy and is still theft. Look at it like this. If a guy puts out a crack out for an accessible game, slaps a disclaimer on it knowing full well most people will ignore it, and then makes it available he still is consciously breaking the end user license and has contributed to a theft. If I then come along, download that game an it's crack, and later don't buy it I have stolen that game from the company that produced it. Shame on the guy who put the crack out there, and double shame on me for steeling it. In short putting a warning on a program not to steel it even though you put it up for that very purpose is a crime. It is almost like the cigarette companies here in the USA that print warning labels on the cigarette packs stating something like, "Danger! Use of this product may cause heart attacks, cancer, strokes, and death..." Ok, since the cigarette companies know their product do those things making their product is morally and ethically wrong. Yet they always can state the end user baught the product, smoked it, and suffered the results of his or her own actions. Yet, the cigarette companies in truth can not be totally inocent, because they knowingly, willingly, and without conscience sold several people a product that will cause them physical harm. An accesible game is no different. If you crack a game, and give it away you are morally responcible for that other persons theft. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
yeah. its a bit like that. At 11:15 a.m. 25/05/2007, you wrote: >Hi Shaun, >Regardless of weather someone puts an, " if you like this buy it, " type >message on it it is still software piracy and is still theft. >Look at it like this. If a guy puts out a crack out for an accessible >game, slaps a disclaimer on it knowing full well most people will ignore >it, and then makes it available he still is consciously breaking the end >user license and has contributed to a theft. If I then come along, >download that game an it's crack, and later don't buy it I have stolen >that game from the company that produced it. Shame on the guy who put >the crack out there, and double shame on me for steeling it. >In short putting a warning on a program not to steel it even though you >put it up for that very purpose is a crime. >It is almost like the cigarette companies here in the USA that print >warning labels on the cigarette packs stating something like, "Danger! >Use of this product may cause heart attacks, cancer, strokes, and death..." >Ok, since the cigarette companies know their product do those things >making their product is morally and ethically wrong. Yet they always can >state the end user baught the product, smoked it, and suffered the >results of his or her own actions. Yet, the cigarette companies in truth >can not be totally inocent, because they knowingly, willingly, and >without conscience sold several people a product that will cause them >physical harm. >An accesible game is no different. If you crack a game, and give it away >you are morally responcible for that other persons theft. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/817 - Release Date: 24/05/2007 4:01 >p.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/817 - Release Date: 24/05/2007 4:01 p.m. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
There is one quite simple solution: make your games more secure. Downside: it'll be less easy for the end user. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software Hi Che, Yeah, there have been quite a few sites out there over the passed few years whereyou could get cracked games, screen readers, and so on. I've heard of a few and visited them, and I have seen some of my own work being illegally shared there. Bottom line though there isnt much we can do about them. We can get the sites to probably remove the content, shut it down, but with send space, you send it, and other file sharing sights it does make it even harder to track stolen games and software. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
The solution to making games harder to crack is that it will tend to drive the price up. So, the developer needs to decide where to draw the line. The more time and effort going into making a game not crackable, the more development time and costs are incurred. this means that the game in the end will cost more. if the game costs more, then people will want to crack it. if the game is relatively cheap and not a lot of work was put in to protect it, then you get another group of people who steal it. These are the ones who steal just because they can regardless of whether the game is cheap or not. Forgive me for sounding cynical here, but that is just the reality. So in the end, the developer needs to decide which one is worth it more to him or her. Putting more time and effort to making a game more crack proof and risk losing sales due to the price being higher, or making the game cheaper and easier to steal. -- Raul A. Gallegos | http://www.asmodean.net ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Another idea. Could you possibly offer incentives For people to buy games instead of cracking them? I have no idea what those would be, but a thought nevertheless. David > - Original Message - >From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Gamers Discussion list" Date sent: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:56:52 +0200 >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >There is one quite simple solution: make your games more secure. Downside: >it'll be less easy for the end user. >- Original Message - >From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:16 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >Hi Che, >Yeah, there have been quite a few sites out there over the passed few >years whereyou could get cracked games, screen readers, and so on. I've >heard of a few and visited them, and I have seen some of my own work >being illegally shared there. >Bottom line though there isnt much we can do about them. We can get the >sites to probably remove the content, shut it down, but with send space, >you send it, and other file sharing sights it does make it even harder >to track stolen games and software. >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Easier said than done. What method would you suggest he and other developers use? -- If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. - Original Message - From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > There is one quite simple solution: make your games more secure. Downside: > it'll be less easy for the end user. > - Original Message - > From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > Hi Che, > Yeah, there have been quite a few sites out there over the passed few > years whereyou could get cracked games, screen readers, and so on. I've > heard of a few and visited them, and I have seen some of my own work > being illegally shared there. > Bottom line though there isnt much we can do about them. We can get the > sites to probably remove the content, shut it down, but with send space, > you send it, and other file sharing sights it does make it even harder > to track stolen games and software. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Encryption. - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software Easier said than done. What method would you suggest he and other developers use? -- If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. - Original Message - From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > There is one quite simple solution: make your games more secure. Downside: > it'll be less easy for the end user. > - Original Message - > From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > Hi Che, > Yeah, there have been quite a few sites out there over the passed few > years whereyou could get cracked games, screen readers, and so on. I've > heard of a few and visited them, and I have seen some of my own work > being illegally shared there. > Bottom line though there isnt much we can do about them. We can get the > sites to probably remove the content, shut it down, but with send space, > you send it, and other file sharing sights it does make it even harder > to track stolen games and software. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
You should see my earlier message about encryption and cost and where one must draw the line. -- Raul A. Gallegos | http://www.asmodean.net - Original Message - From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > Encryption. > - Original Message - > From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > Easier said than done. What method would you suggest he and other > developers use? > > -- > If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. > - Original Message - > From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> There is one quite simple solution: make your games more secure. >> Downside: >> it'll be less easy for the end user. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:16 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >> >> >> Hi Che, >> Yeah, there have been quite a few sites out there over the passed few >> years whereyou could get cracked games, screen readers, and so on. I've >> heard of a few and visited them, and I have seen some of my own work >> being illegally shared there. >> Bottom line though there isnt much we can do about them. We can get the >> sites to probably remove the content, shut it down, but with send space, >> you send it, and other file sharing sights it does make it even harder >> to track stolen games and software. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> > > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Hoh, there are free encryptors out there. And they can even compress your executable, so you can reduce your installers (I know this is just theory). Sure I'm going to use this technique, since it will save me from at least 60% of the crackers. - Original Message - From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software You should see my earlier message about encryption and cost and where one must draw the line. -- Raul A. Gallegos | http://www.asmodean.net - Original Message - From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > Encryption. > - Original Message - > From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > Easier said than done. What method would you suggest he and other > developers use? > > -- > If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. > - Original Message - > From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> There is one quite simple solution: make your games more secure. >> Downside: >> it'll be less easy for the end user. >> ----- Original Message - >> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:16 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >> >> >> Hi Che, >> Yeah, there have been quite a few sites out there over the passed few >> years whereyou could get cracked games, screen readers, and so on. I've >> heard of a few and visited them, and I have seen some of my own work >> being illegally shared there. >> Bottom line though there isnt much we can do about them. We can get the >> sites to probably remove the content, shut it down, but with send space, >> you send it, and other file sharing sights it does make it even harder >> to track stolen games and software. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> > > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
another thing I like is say making the games partually opensource. Ie in duke 3d all sounds, rts multiplayer systems, music, and graphics as well as some maps etc were made opensource in a way. At 08:06 a.m. 25/05/2007, you wrote: >Another idea. Could you possibly offer incentives For people to >buy games instead of cracking them? I have no idea what those >would be, but a thought nevertheless. > >David > >> - Original Message - >>From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Date sent: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:56:52 +0200 >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > >>There is one quite simple solution: make your games more secure. >Downside: >>it'll be less easy for the end user. >>- Original Message - >>From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:16 AM >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >>Hi Che, >>Yeah, there have been quite a few sites out there over the passed >few >>years whereyou could get cracked games, screen readers, and so >on. I've >>heard of a few and visited them, and I have seen some of my own >work >>being illegally shared there. >>Bottom line though there isnt much we can do about them. We can >get the >>sites to probably remove the content, shut it down, but with send >space, >>you send it, and other file sharing sights it does make it even >harder >>to track stolen games and software. > > >>___ >>Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >You can visit >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>any subscription changes via the web. > > >>___ >>Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >You can visit >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>any subscription changes via the web. > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/817 - Release Date: 24/05/2007 4:01 >p.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/817 - Release Date: 24/05/2007 4:01 p.m. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
well Since programs are more expensive for people in nz outside us, etc I tend to go for packs and packages rather than single products. I am more likely to buy a 60 dollar us pack of somethan a 30 dollar single title, especially if the pack has betwene 3 to 5 titles in it. This was the way I got th bsc arcade pack. I would have never brought one otherwise. The same goes for the gmagames when they came out. The lworks stuff jd and sl were not in packs. But when the bpc clonemasters series comes out eventually I will probably buy that as a pack. I even buy screenreaders and other software as a pack because they are good value and you pay a flat rate. At 08:06 a.m. 25/05/2007, you wrote: >Another idea. Could you possibly offer incentives For people to >buy games instead of cracking them? I have no idea what those >would be, but a thought nevertheless. > >David > >> - Original Message - >>From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Date sent: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:56:52 +0200 >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > >>There is one quite simple solution: make your games more secure. >Downside: >>it'll be less easy for the end user. >>- Original Message - >>From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:16 AM >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >>Hi Che, >>Yeah, there have been quite a few sites out there over the passed >few >>years whereyou could get cracked games, screen readers, and so >on. I've >>heard of a few and visited them, and I have seen some of my own >work >>being illegally shared there. >>Bottom line though there isnt much we can do about them. We can >get the >>sites to probably remove the content, shut it down, but with send >space, >>you send it, and other file sharing sights it does make it even >harder >>to track stolen games and software. > > >>___ >>Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >You can visit >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>any subscription changes via the web. > > >>___ >>Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >You can visit >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>any subscription changes via the web. > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/817 - Release Date: 24/05/2007 4:01 >p.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/817 - Release Date: 24/05/2007 4:01 p.m. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
maybe purchasing by phone? - Original Message - From: "david" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > Another idea. Could you possibly offer incentives For people to > buy games instead of cracking them? I have no idea what those > would be, but a thought nevertheless. > > David > >> - Original Message - >>From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Date sent: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:56:52 +0200 >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > >>There is one quite simple solution: make your games more secure. > Downside: >>it'll be less easy for the end user. >>- Original Message - >>From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:16 AM >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >>Hi Che, >>Yeah, there have been quite a few sites out there over the passed > few >>years whereyou could get cracked games, screen readers, and so > on. I've >>heard of a few and visited them, and I have seen some of my own > work >>being illegally shared there. >>Bottom line though there isnt much we can do about them. We can > get the >>sites to probably remove the content, shut it down, but with send > space, >>you send it, and other file sharing sights it does make it even > harder >>to track stolen games and software. > > >>___ >>Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You can visit >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>any subscription changes via the web. > > >>___ >>Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You can visit >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>any subscription changes via the web. > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
you can go with encryption, but if you want what ever to be less likely cracked. Than you better look for a paid incripter. The free type are what they practise on cracking. What ever you think don't get the thought "my stuff can't be cracked". Because someone will just for fun. There is not one game or piece of software out there. That don't have either a crack or serial num to let others in. Everything is hackable and crackable. The one that thinks is not is a total fool. At 02:16 PM 5/25/2007, you wrote: >Hoh, there are free encryptors out there. And they can even compress your >executable, so you can reduce your installers (I know this is just theory). >Sure I'm going to use this technique, since it will save me from at least >60% of the crackers. >- Original Message - >From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:00 PM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >You should see my earlier message about encryption and cost and where one >must draw the line. > >-- >Raul A. Gallegos | http://www.asmodean.net > >- Original Message - >From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:54 PM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > > Encryption. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > > > > Easier said than done. What method would you suggest he and other > > developers use? > > > > -- > > If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > > > >> There is one quite simple solution: make your games more secure. > >> Downside: > >> it'll be less easy for the end user. > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" > >> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:16 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > >> > >> > >> Hi Che, > >> Yeah, there have been quite a few sites out there over the passed few > >> years whereyou could get cracked games, screen readers, and so on. I've > >> heard of a few and visited them, and I have seen some of my own work > >> being illegally shared there. > >> Bottom line though there isnt much we can do about them. We can get the > >> sites to probably remove the content, shut it down, but with send space, > >> you send it, and other file sharing sights it does make it even harder > >> to track stolen games and software. > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > >> visit > >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > >> any subscription changes via the web. > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > >> visit > >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > >> any subscription changes via the web. > >> > > > > > > > > ___ > > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > > visit > > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > > any subscription changes via the web. > > > > > > ___ > > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > > visit > > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > > any subscription changes via the web. > > > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. > > >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. Tim trouble "Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Encryption will help, but certainly not do the whole job. You could just go into the CPU registers and/or memory and look for a valid code, so indeed nothing is uncrackable. However, for the beginning crackers it's a quite good protection I suppose. - Original Message - From: "Trouble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software you can go with encryption, but if you want what ever to be less likely cracked. Than you better look for a paid incripter. The free type are what they practise on cracking. What ever you think don't get the thought "my stuff can't be cracked". Because someone will just for fun. There is not one game or piece of software out there. That don't have either a crack or serial num to let others in. Everything is hackable and crackable. The one that thinks is not is a total fool. At 02:16 PM 5/25/2007, you wrote: >Hoh, there are free encryptors out there. And they can even compress your >executable, so you can reduce your installers (I know this is just theory). >Sure I'm going to use this technique, since it will save me from at least >60% of the crackers. >- Original Message - >From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:00 PM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >You should see my earlier message about encryption and cost and where one >must draw the line. > >-- >Raul A. Gallegos | http://www.asmodean.net > >- Original Message ----- >From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:54 PM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > > Encryption. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > > > > Easier said than done. What method would you suggest he and other > > developers use? > > > > -- > > If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > > > >> There is one quite simple solution: make your games more secure. > >> Downside: > >> it'll be less easy for the end user. > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" > >> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:16 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > >> > >> > >> Hi Che, > >> Yeah, there have been quite a few sites out there over the passed few > >> years whereyou could get cracked games, screen readers, and so on. I've > >> heard of a few and visited them, and I have seen some of my own work > >> being illegally shared there. > >> Bottom line though there isnt much we can do about them. We can get the > >> sites to probably remove the content, shut it down, but with send > >> space, > >> you send it, and other file sharing sights it does make it even harder > >> to track stolen games and software. > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > >> visit > >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > >> any subscription changes via the web. > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > >> visit > >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > >> any subscription changes via the web. > >> > > > > > > > > ___ > > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > > visit > > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > > any subscription changes via the web. > > > > > >
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Hi, everyone it's Jason, I got a question on this software issue? Sorry to go off topic but I just got done viewing an email from Davy saying that you would get money back from your insurance if you buy speech software is that true? I was wondering if I understood that message right - Original Message - From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] it is true you can buy screen readers and other sofware and be refunded by your insurance is that your medical? If you can answer these questions it would be greatly be appriciated. Sorry for going off topic. your friend, Jason.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > Putting a line in a doc somewhere stating that one should buy the game is > no justification for ripping off a developers hard earned code. > I would much appreciate a list of these sites you refer to, you have my > address. > Thanks, > Che > > - Original Message - > From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:13 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> On a load of book sites I am on there is a load of cracked software. >> However in most of the sighted software thats been cracked there is this >> piece in the docs saying that if you like the software you should buy it. >> You take the good with the bad. >> At 05:31 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I recently ran across a site that was hosting a variety of audio books, >>>movies and other stuff for download by the blind. >>> Unfortunately, along with this mass market stuff were quite a few >>> cracks >>>of accessible games and other software designed for the blind. I was >>>taken >>>aback at finding this, as I naively thought no sensible blind person >>>would >>>host such damaging things. >>> When you download an audiobook, you are taking away a bit of money from >>> a >>>company that is never going to miss it. Same for audio described movies >>>to >>>a lesser extent. But when people host cracks of accessible software, >>>they >>>are helping to cripple the development of that software. >>> The accessible software market, and especially the accessible gaming >>>market is extremely small, and even losing a few sales to piracy hurts. >>>It >>>discourages developers from working on games that we all enjoy, and most >>>especially from putting in considerable time producing the kind of >>>immerssive and complex games we are thirsting for. >>> I would like to spearhead an effort to put a stop to this, as it is >>> only >>>hurting us all in the long run. >>> If you know of any sites or servers out there hosting pirated >>> accessible >>>software, please write me off list and let me know. I will not mention >>>your >>>name, and I won't be a jerk to the person hosting the files. >>> As I did in this case I mention, I will send a letter to the person >>>hosting and ask them to please reconsider hosting files that put a >>>bottleneck on a market that is already very small. >>> No one is ever going to get rich making software for the blind, but the >>>developers making the effort should have at least the small reward gained >>>monetarily from the sale of their hard earned work. >>> If we can get these sites to stop hosting such files, I promise you it >>>will make a difference in what we all get to use and play with on our >>>computers in the future. >>> You can write me offlist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you like. I >>>promise you any conversation on the topic will be held in strict >>>confidence. >>> Thanks for listening. >>> Che >>> >>> >>>___ >>>Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>>To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >>>visit >>>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>>any subscription changes via the web. >> >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Hay Josh it's Jason what is NVDA? - Original Message - From: "Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >I hope NVDA becomes as good as jaws or window-eyes someday. > > Josh > > - Original Message - > From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:25 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> I agree that some accessible software is very expensive, but you have to >> consider the market this software is selling to and the complexity of the >> software itself. >> If Windows XP were only sold to the blind for example, it would cost >> several thousand dollars and frankly it would never happen as it would be >> a >> money loser for the company producing it. >> I for one am grateful that there are quality screenreaders out there for >> us at all, considering the heavy amount of time invested in writing this >> stuff. >> Later, >> Che >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:50 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >> >> >>> well, >>> not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other >>> blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! >>> I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for >>> example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy >>> the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is >>> damaging his health. >>> But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of >>> softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for >>> mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... >>> Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as >>> VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound >>> forge and so on >>> But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have >>> free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend >>> less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are >>> blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible >>> price >>> Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a >>> tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high >>> quality but open source and free >>> but not for mobile phones >>> In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the >>> alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: >>> most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. >>> Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago >>> An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to >>> distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which >>> just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all >>> computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or >>> partitions, was removed >>> There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people >>> thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but >>> writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause >>> problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, >>> literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it >>> is >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >>> visit >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>> any subscription changes via the web. >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
I'll bet it doesn't have anything to do with software piracy. This is in hopes of getting back on topic. -- If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. - Original Message - From: "jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > Hay Josh it's Jason what is NVDA? > - Original Message - > From: "Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:45 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >>I hope NVDA becomes as good as jaws or window-eyes someday. >> >> Josh >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:25 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >> >> >>> I agree that some accessible software is very expensive, but you have >>> to >>> consider the market this software is selling to and the complexity of >>> the >>> software itself. >>> If Windows XP were only sold to the blind for example, it would cost >>> several thousand dollars and frankly it would never happen as it would >>> be >>> a >>> money loser for the company producing it. >>> I for one am grateful that there are quality screenreaders out there >>> for >>> us at all, considering the heavy amount of time invested in writing this >>> stuff. >>> Later, >>> Che >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:50 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >>> >>> >>>> well, >>>> not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other >>>> blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive! >>>> I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for >>>> example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy >>>> the game, instead of... buying cigarettes, or something else that is >>>> damaging his health. >>>> But what, in my opinion, is too expensive, are other kind of >>>> softwares. Think about Jaws, Window-Eyes, Talks or MobileSpeak for >>>> mobile phones, Sapi5 synths (such as Loquendo)... >>>> Your discussion is valid for games, or small softwares (such as >>>> VoiceEmotion or PowerGramo, the voip assistants), goldwave, sound >>>> forge and so on >>>> But you lie to yourself if you say that you wouldn't desire to have >>>> free access to your computer or mobile phone, or, at least, to spend >>>> less money! Not to have to spend the double price because we are >>>> blind, for a device which is sold to sighted people with an accessible >>>> price >>>> Yes, they could develop something free in that case, too. There is a >>>> tool called NVDA for computers, and a Sapi5 called eSpeak, not high >>>> quality but open source and free >>>> but not for mobile phones >>>> In general, I am against software piracy, as it damages the >>>> alternative free or low-cost software, but I do not lie to myself: >>>> most of softwares we NEED, are a real theft. >>>> Think about what happened on eMule 2 years ago >>>> An anonymous user, having the machine on 24 hours a day, started to >>>> distribute a file called "nokia talks 2.xx IMEI key generator", which >>>> just contained an executable wich, once launched, destroyed all >>>> computer data: everything in hard disk, internal or external or >>>> partitions, was removed >>>> There is no possibility to get any proof on that, but many people >>>> thought (and think) this comes from Nuance, Talks producer, but >>>> writing this on the Internet, as there are no proof, could cause >>>> problems. So, as we say in Italy, "incarta e porta a casa". That is, >>>> literally translated, pack it and take it home. It means, take it as it >>>> is >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>>> To unsubsc
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Here it is (partially) true, don't kow how it is over there. - Original Message - From: "jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software Hi, everyone it's Jason, I got a question on this software issue? Sorry to go off topic but I just got done viewing an email from Davy saying that you would get money back from your insurance if you buy speech software is that true? I was wondering if I understood that message right - Original Message - From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] it is true you can buy screen readers and other sofware and be refunded by your insurance is that your medical? If you can answer these questions it would be greatly be appriciated. Sorry for going off topic. your friend, Jason.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > Putting a line in a doc somewhere stating that one should buy the game is > no justification for ripping off a developers hard earned code. > I would much appreciate a list of these sites you refer to, you have my > address. > Thanks, > Che > > - Original Message - > From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:13 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >> On a load of book sites I am on there is a load of cracked software. >> However in most of the sighted software thats been cracked there is this >> piece in the docs saying that if you like the software you should buy it. >> You take the good with the bad. >> At 05:31 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I recently ran across a site that was hosting a variety of audio books, >>>movies and other stuff for download by the blind. >>> Unfortunately, along with this mass market stuff were quite a few >>> cracks >>>of accessible games and other software designed for the blind. I was >>>taken >>>aback at finding this, as I naively thought no sensible blind person >>>would >>>host such damaging things. >>> When you download an audiobook, you are taking away a bit of money from >>> a >>>company that is never going to miss it. Same for audio described movies >>>to >>>a lesser extent. But when people host cracks of accessible software, >>>they >>>are helping to cripple the development of that software. >>> The accessible software market, and especially the accessible gaming >>>market is extremely small, and even losing a few sales to piracy hurts. >>>It >>>discourages developers from working on games that we all enjoy, and most >>>especially from putting in considerable time producing the kind of >>>immerssive and complex games we are thirsting for. >>> I would like to spearhead an effort to put a stop to this, as it is >>> only >>>hurting us all in the long run. >>> If you know of any sites or servers out there hosting pirated >>> accessible >>>software, please write me off list and let me know. I will not mention >>>your >>>name, and I won't be a jerk to the person hosting the files. >>> As I did in this case I mention, I will send a letter to the person >>>hosting and ask them to please reconsider hosting files that put a >>>bottleneck on a market that is already very small. >>> No one is ever going to get rich making software for the blind, but the >>>developers making the effort should have at least the small reward gained >>>monetarily from the sale of their hard earned work. >>> If we can get these sites to stop hosting such files, I promise you it >>>will make a difference in what we all get to use and play with on our >>>computers in the future. >>> You can write me offlist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you like. I >>>promise you any conversation on the topic will be held in strict >>>confidence. >>> Thanks for listening. >>> Che >>> >>> >>>___ >>>Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>>To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >>>visit >>>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>>any subscription changes via the web. >> >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> T
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Hi, Well, sometimes no insentive is good enough to satisfy a true cracker. Sometimes they crack it just because he/she can and feels good about steeling. Like, "Huh, I got away with it again. Muhahahaha..." You might be able to offer some insentives sales now and then, drawings for a prize, a discount on your next purchase, etc.That might help, but someone doesn't want to buy won't. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Hi Davy, Encrypting your binary and files is a good idea. It really does help, but it all depends on how determined your cracker is. Even encrypted binary files have been known to be sliced and diced before. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Hi Davy, It is not as simple to say, "make your game more secure," and believe that is the answer. The truth is no method yet devised by better programmers and well funded programmers than I is absolutely uncrackable. For example product keys in general can be cracked with a product key generator. Even if the product key is based on a hardware ID like processor a bright cracker can in theory write his own key gen to generate a key based on individual hardware IDs just like the developer. One thing to keep in mind here is there are very good product key registration programs out there, but not a single one is known to be 100% reliable. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Hi, While encrypting software gives you one more layer of security it is not invincible. Keep in mind that most encryption schemas are known by developers and crackers alike. Even if you build a new encryption schema it will likely follow some common encryption rules which will allow a determined cracker to figure it out eventually. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
I know (I've bunches of cracks myself). But hey, who is interested in cracking audiogames? I suppose we don't have brilliant crackers in our market. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software Hi Davy, It is not as simple to say, "make your game more secure," and believe that is the answer. The truth is no method yet devised by better programmers and well funded programmers than I is absolutely uncrackable. For example product keys in general can be cracked with a product key generator. Even if the product key is based on a hardware ID like processor a bright cracker can in theory write his own key gen to generate a key based on individual hardware IDs just like the developer. One thing to keep in mind here is there are very good product key registration programs out there, but not a single one is known to be 100% reliable. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
As I said before, we probably don't have enormous crackers in our games market. Encryption (or compression) is something that I'd like to use to protect my sound files and maybe the executable, but that's not all. I'll definitely try my best to make cracking and cheating harder. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software Hi Davy, Encrypting your binary and files is a good idea. It really does help, but it all depends on how determined your cracker is. Even encrypted binary files have been known to be sliced and diced before. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Then you are a hypocrite, Davy. You made it sound like you didn't believe that audiogames should be cracked, but here you go cracking software yourself. I wouldn't be so annoyed if you cracked everything, including audiogames, but please don't come on here supporaring developers in securing their game titles, when you just go right back around and crack software, no matter what kind of software it is. David > - Original Message - >From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Gamers Discussion list" Date sent: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:40:13 +0200 >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >I have never bought regular sighted software. I do either get it from the >insurance or just have it cracked. >- Original Message - >From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:40 PM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >Why even have cracks? I would not even have them. To me, they are totally >useless. If someone were to even ask me for a crack, with no hesitation, I >would let the software developer know who asked me. I refuse to assist >anyone in ripping a developer off, and I refuse to assist in the cutting of >the throats of the blind gaming market by decreasing what little income >developers receive to further their source of funds to develop new games for >us or to remain in business. If they go out of business, it only hurts all >of us, and I am a part of "us". I also refuse to be a criminal by assisting >in theft. Now, isn't it a shame that I don't have an opinion on software >piracy? (grin) >-- >If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. >- Original Message - >From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:34 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >>I know (I've bunches of cracks myself). But hey, who is interested in >> cracking audiogames? I suppose we don't have brilliant crackers in our >> market. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:31 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >> Hi Davy, >> It is not as simple to say, "make your game more secure," and believe >> that is the answer. The truth is no method yet devised by better >> programmers and well funded programmers than I is absolutely uncrackable. >> For example product keys in general can be cracked with a product key >> generator. Even if the product key is based on a hardware ID like >> processor a bright cracker can in theory write his own key gen to >> generate a key based on individual hardware IDs just like the developer. >> One thing to keep in mind here is there are very good product key >> registration programs out there, but not a single one is known to be >> 100% reliable. >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
I have never bought regular sighted software. I do either get it from the insurance or just have it cracked. - Original Message - From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software Why even have cracks? I would not even have them. To me, they are totally useless. If someone were to even ask me for a crack, with no hesitation, I would let the software developer know who asked me. I refuse to assist anyone in ripping a developer off, and I refuse to assist in the cutting of the throats of the blind gaming market by decreasing what little income developers receive to further their source of funds to develop new games for us or to remain in business. If they go out of business, it only hurts all of us, and I am a part of "us". I also refuse to be a criminal by assisting in theft. Now, isn't it a shame that I don't have an opinion on software piracy? (grin) -- If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. - Original Message - From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >I know (I've bunches of cracks myself). But hey, who is interested in > cracking audiogames? I suppose we don't have brilliant crackers in our > market. > - Original Message - > From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:31 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > Hi Davy, > It is not as simple to say, "make your game more secure," and believe > that is the answer. The truth is no method yet devised by better > programmers and well funded programmers than I is absolutely uncrackable. > For example product keys in general can be cracked with a product key > generator. Even if the product key is based on a hardware ID like > processor a bright cracker can in theory write his own key gen to > generate a key based on individual hardware IDs just like the developer. > One thing to keep in mind here is there are very good product key > registration programs out there, but not a single one is known to be > 100% reliable. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Sorry, I can't crack that well. I do have cracks, I didn't say that I make them (though I can sometimes). - Original Message - From: "david" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software Then you are a hypocrite, Davy. You made it sound like you didn't believe that audiogames should be cracked, but here you go cracking software yourself. I wouldn't be so annoyed if you cracked everything, including audiogames, but please don't come on here supporaring developers in securing their game titles, when you just go right back around and crack software, no matter what kind of software it is. David > - Original Message - >From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Gamers Discussion list" Date sent: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:40:13 +0200 >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >I have never bought regular sighted software. I do either get it from the >insurance or just have it cracked. >- Original Message - >From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:40 PM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >Why even have cracks? I would not even have them. To me, they are totally >useless. If someone were to even ask me for a crack, with no hesitation, I >would let the software developer know who asked me. I refuse to assist >anyone in ripping a developer off, and I refuse to assist in the cutting of >the throats of the blind gaming market by decreasing what little income >developers receive to further their source of funds to develop new games for >us or to remain in business. If they go out of business, it only hurts all >of us, and I am a part of "us". I also refuse to be a criminal by assisting >in theft. Now, isn't it a shame that I don't have an opinion on software >piracy? (grin) >-- >If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. >----- Original Message - >From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:34 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >>I know (I've bunches of cracks myself). But hey, who is interested in >> cracking audiogames? I suppose we don't have brilliant crackers in our >> market. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:31 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >> Hi Davy, >> It is not as simple to say, "make your game more secure," and believe >> that is the answer. The truth is no method yet devised by better >> programmers and well funded programmers than I is absolutely uncrackable. >> For example product keys in general can be cracked with a product key >> generator. Even if the product key is based on a hardware ID like >> processor a bright cracker can in theory write his own key gen to >> generate a key based on individual hardware IDs just like the developer. >> One thing to keep in mind here is there are very good product key >> registration programs out there, but not a single one is known to be >> 100% reliable. >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. >___ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Why even have cracks? I would not even have them. To me, they are totally useless. If someone were to even ask me for a crack, with no hesitation, I would let the software developer know who asked me. I refuse to assist anyone in ripping a developer off, and I refuse to assist in the cutting of the throats of the blind gaming market by decreasing what little income developers receive to further their source of funds to develop new games for us or to remain in business. If they go out of business, it only hurts all of us, and I am a part of "us". I also refuse to be a criminal by assisting in theft. Now, isn't it a shame that I don't have an opinion on software piracy? (grin) -- If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. - Original Message - From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >I know (I've bunches of cracks myself). But hey, who is interested in > cracking audiogames? I suppose we don't have brilliant crackers in our > market. > - Original Message - > From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:31 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > Hi Davy, > It is not as simple to say, "make your game more secure," and believe > that is the answer. The truth is no method yet devised by better > programmers and well funded programmers than I is absolutely uncrackable. > For example product keys in general can be cracked with a product key > generator. Even if the product key is based on a hardware ID like > processor a bright cracker can in theory write his own key gen to > generate a key based on individual hardware IDs just like the developer. > One thing to keep in mind here is there are very good product key > registration programs out there, but not a single one is known to be > 100% reliable. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
That's not the point. I really don't care if you do crack software. But I think it's kind of stupid that you get cracks to software, and then you want security on audio games. If you want to discuss this further, please write me off list. David > - Original Message - >From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Gamers Discussion list" Date sent: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:09:40 +0200 >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >Sorry, I can't crack that well. I do have cracks, I didn't say that I make >them (though I can sometimes). >- Original Message - >From: "david" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:46 PM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >Then you are a hypocrite, Davy. You made it sound like you >didn't believe that audiogames should be cracked, but here you go >cracking software yourself. I wouldn't be so annoyed if you >cracked everything, including audiogames, but please don't come >on here supporaring developers in securing their game titles, >when you just go right back around and crack software, no matter >what kind of software it is. >David >> - Original Message - >>From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Date sent: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:40:13 +0200 >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >>I have never bought regular sighted software. I do either get it >from the >>insurance or just have it cracked. >>- Original Message - >>From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:40 PM >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >>Why even have cracks? I would not even have them. To me, they >are totally >>useless. If someone were to even ask me for a crack, with no >hesitation, I >>would let the software developer know who asked me. I refuse to >assist >>anyone in ripping a developer off, and I refuse to assist in the >cutting of >>the throats of the blind gaming market by decreasing what little >income >>developers receive to further their source of funds to develop >new games for >>us or to remain in business. If they go out of business, it only >hurts all >>of us, and I am a part of "us". I also refuse to be a criminal >by assisting >>in theft. Now, isn't it a shame that I don't have an opinion on >software >>piracy? (grin) >>-- >>If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. >>- Original Message - >>From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:34 AM >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >>>I know (I've bunches of cracks myself). But hey, who is >interested in >>> cracking audiogames? I suppose we don't have brilliant crackers >in our >>> market. >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:31 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >>> Hi Davy, >>> It is not as simple to say, "make your game more secure," and >believe >>> that is the answer. The truth is no method yet devised by >better >>> programmers and well funded programmers than I is absolutely >uncrackable. >>> For example product keys in general can be cracked with a >product key >>> generator. Even if the product key is based on a hardware ID >like >>> processor a bright cracker can in theory write his own key gen >to >>> generate a key based on individual hardware IDs just like the >developer. >>> One thing to keep in mind here is there are very good product >key >>> registration programs out there, but not a single one is known >to be >>> 100% reliable. >>> ___ >>> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >You can >>> visit >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >>> any subscription changes via the web. >>> ___ >>> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >>> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >You can >>> visit >>> http://audyssey.or
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Well, I suppose those huge companies won't bother if I've a cracked version. Game developers will however, so I'll do what I can to support nice secure programs so the blindies don't do that piracy thing. And since I know a little bit about those cracking methods, I'd like to share them (for now it hasn't supported anything indeed). - Original Message - From: "david" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software That's not the point. I really don't care if you do crack software. But I think it's kind of stupid that you get cracks to software, and then you want security on audio games. If you want to discuss this further, please write me off list. David > - Original Message - >From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Gamers Discussion list" Date sent: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:09:40 +0200 >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >Sorry, I can't crack that well. I do have cracks, I didn't say that I make >them (though I can sometimes). >- Original Message - >From: "david" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:46 PM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >Then you are a hypocrite, Davy. You made it sound like you >didn't believe that audiogames should be cracked, but here you go >cracking software yourself. I wouldn't be so annoyed if you >cracked everything, including audiogames, but please don't come >on here supporaring developers in securing their game titles, >when you just go right back around and crack software, no matter >what kind of software it is. >David >> - Original Message - >>From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Date sent: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:40:13 +0200 >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >>I have never bought regular sighted software. I do either get it >from the >>insurance or just have it cracked. >>- Original Message - >>From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:40 PM >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >>Why even have cracks? I would not even have them. To me, they >are totally >>useless. If someone were to even ask me for a crack, with no >hesitation, I >>would let the software developer know who asked me. I refuse to >assist >>anyone in ripping a developer off, and I refuse to assist in the >cutting of >>the throats of the blind gaming market by decreasing what little >income >>developers receive to further their source of funds to develop >new games for >>us or to remain in business. If they go out of business, it only >hurts all >>of us, and I am a part of "us". I also refuse to be a criminal >by assisting >>in theft. Now, isn't it a shame that I don't have an opinion on >software >>piracy? (grin) >>-- >>If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. >>- Original Message - >>From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: "Gamers Discussion list" >Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:34 AM >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >>>I know (I've bunches of cracks myself). But hey, who is >interested in >>> cracking audiogames? I suppose we don't have brilliant crackers >in our >>> market. >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:31 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >>> Hi Davy, >>> It is not as simple to say, "make your game more secure," and >believe >>> that is the answer. The truth is no method yet devised by >better >>> programmers and well funded programmers than I is absolutely >uncrackable. >>> For example product keys in general can be cracked with a >product key >>> generator. Even if the product key is based on a hardware ID >like >>> processor a bright cracker can in theory write his own key gen >to >>> generate a key based on individual hardware IDs just like the >developer. >>> One thing to keep in mind here is there are very good product >key >>> registration programs out there, but not a single one is known >to be >>> 100% reliable. >&g
Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Let's stop this topic about cracked software. It's not necessary to know who has cracked software or not. Bottom line, if anyone uses cracks, it's illegal, or at least here in the US, and it's wrong. Please, no more on this. Co-Moderator. -- Raul A. Gallegos | http://www.asmodean.net - Original Message - From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >I have never bought regular sighted software. I do either get it from the > insurance or just have it cracked. > - Original Message - > From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > > Why even have cracks? I would not even have them. To me, they are > totally > useless. If someone were to even ask me for a crack, with no hesitation, > I > would let the software developer know who asked me. I refuse to assist > anyone in ripping a developer off, and I refuse to assist in the cutting > of > the throats of the blind gaming market by decreasing what little income > developers receive to further their source of funds to develop new games > for > us or to remain in business. If they go out of business, it only hurts > all > of us, and I am a part of "us". I also refuse to be a criminal by > assisting > in theft. Now, isn't it a shame that I don't have an opinion on software > piracy? (grin) > -- > If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words. > - Original Message - > From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:34 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software > > >>I know (I've bunches of cracks myself). But hey, who is interested in >> cracking audiogames? I suppose we don't have brilliant crackers in our >> market. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Gamers Discussion list" >> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:31 AM >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software >> >> >> Hi Davy, >> It is not as simple to say, "make your game more secure," and believe >> that is the answer. The truth is no method yet devised by better >> programmers and well funded programmers than I is absolutely uncrackable. >> For example product keys in general can be cracked with a product key >> generator. Even if the product key is based on a hardware ID like >> processor a bright cracker can in theory write his own key gen to >> generate a key based on individual hardware IDs just like the developer. >> One thing to keep in mind here is there are very good product key >> registration programs out there, but not a single one is known to be >> 100% reliable. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> >> >> ___ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >> To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >> visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >> any subscription changes via the web. >> > > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > > > ___ > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can > visit > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > any subscription changes via the web. > ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
