RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen

[jfranl]

Amen, Brother!!  I don't want him back either.  I always thought that
superior talent would trump a mediocre offensive play caller, but I guess I
was wrong. The wheels have fallen off the wagon!  Fran


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From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Badrish
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:47 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

I agree!

On 10/19/10, wildeart...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Mullen was an unimaginative and uninspired play-caller who won so much
> because he had great players like Tebow and Harvin. We won in spite of his
> play-calling, not because of it.  He showed that again Saturday night.
They
> didn't win because he had a great game plan, or because he called a good
> game. They won because we were so bad that they couldn't help it. They
tried
> to give us every chance to win, but we wouldn't take it. Adazzio is
> certainly worse, but I sure don't want Mullen back.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 17, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Scott Lucas  wrote:
>
>> Let me preface this by saying some of you may not like this:  We have not
>> been very good since Dan Mullen left, and HE may be the reason for
Urban's
>> success at Florida and previously.
>>
>> Let that sink in.
>>
>> Without Dan, Florida's offense is lifeless.  A shell of its former self.
>> Former?  Yes, former... as in when Mullen was here calling the shots.  Oh
>> sure, Adazzio had a great offense against Cincinnati.  Whoopie!  It was
>> Cincinnati-- hardly a perennial power, not from a powerhouse conference,
>> and they got exactly what any middle of the road SEC would give them.
>> That is Adazzio's best game.  A game in which he had 3 weeks to prepare.
>> He has not accomplished anything real other than that.
>>
>> As for Dan, why is he the key to UM's success?  He makes his offense work
>> with what he has.  He inherited Chris Leak, the offense was modified, and
>> we won with him.  Won it all.  We had our Tebow years, modified the
>> offense, and we won with him.  Mullen leaves, we have a Leak clone, we
>> don't modify and we are losing horribly.  But what has Dan done?  He went
>> to an underachieving school.  Looked at what he had, he modified and is
>> winning.  He took a perennial cellar dweller and is making it work, with
>> someone else's recruits because a good carpenter can work with the tools
>> he has...
>>
>> Dan does what MUST be done to win.  He ran the ball 29 out of 30 times
>> against us.  Why?  It was working and it was what he needed to do to win.
>> He saw what Alabama did to us up the middle, and he copied it.  He say
>> what LSU did to us, and he copied it.  He is adjusting... modifying.  He
>> is doing what must be done to win, and he did it with far less quality of
>> player than Bama and LSU had.  This does not bode well for us.
>>
>> Our coaches insist on running an offense that is ill suited for our
>> personnel.  Dan wouldn't do this.  We are trying to force TOO many square
>> pegs into round holes.  Dan wouldn't do this either.
>>
>> You think it is just about Brantley?  It is not.  Without adequate
>> blocking, and by adequate I mean they open a hole occasionally, running
>> backs will go nowhere.  Especially a 190 pound running back when you run
>> right up the middle.  It doesn't matter how fast you are when all there
is
>> in front of you is a wall of defenders.  We have no solid tight end
>> threat.  We have hybrids.  We have kids playing positions that they can
>> play but maybe shouldn't be playing, at least not yet.  Dan wouldn't do
>> this.
>>
>> We have a complete and total lack of a deep threat.  Are all these blue
>> chip recruits suddenly slow?  Or can Brantley just not complete the long
>> ball?  Or are we just plain not calling them?  And where is the mention
of
>> our QB coach?  Why have we heard nothing about him or in regards to him?
>> Is he all of a sudden a bad coach?  I haven't heard his name mention
since
>> Tebow left.  Wasn't Dan Mullen also our QB coach?
>>
>> Or, just maybe, this offensive line, supposedly the strength of the team,
>> can't even figure out what to do with this offense either.  They may be
>> ill suited for the zone blocking and reads that the first half offense
>> relies on.  They seem to do MUCH better in the second half when Brantley
>> starts throwing it around, when they are told to man up and block a
person
>> instead of an area.  Again, an area in need of much change-- similar to
>> what Dan has done with MSU.  Take what you have, evaluate it, figure out
>> what you do well, and then ride that horse.  29 out of 30 rushing plays.
>> The one pass?  A shovel pass, practically a running play as well.  Dan
>> does what you have to do to win.  He does what works.
>>
>> We see this week in and week out, yet no adjustment, no improvement, no
>> change.  Its as if we (and dare I say it?) are stubborn just like SOS was
>> when his passing game didn't work.  Wha

Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Badrish]

I agree!

On 10/19/10, wildeart...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Mullen was an unimaginative and uninspired play-caller who won so much
> because he had great players like Tebow and Harvin. We won in spite of his
> play-calling, not because of it.  He showed that again Saturday night. They
> didn't win because he had a great game plan, or because he called a good
> game. They won because we were so bad that they couldn't help it. They tried
> to give us every chance to win, but we wouldn't take it. Adazzio is
> certainly worse, but I sure don't want Mullen back.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 17, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Scott Lucas  wrote:
>
>> Let me preface this by saying some of you may not like this:  We have not
>> been very good since Dan Mullen left, and HE may be the reason for Urban's
>> success at Florida and previously.
>>
>> Let that sink in.
>>
>> Without Dan, Florida's offense is lifeless.  A shell of its former self.
>> Former?  Yes, former... as in when Mullen was here calling the shots.  Oh
>> sure, Adazzio had a great offense against Cincinnati.  Whoopie!  It was
>> Cincinnati-- hardly a perennial power, not from a powerhouse conference,
>> and they got exactly what any middle of the road SEC would give them.
>> That is Adazzio's best game.  A game in which he had 3 weeks to prepare.
>> He has not accomplished anything real other than that.
>>
>> As for Dan, why is he the key to UM's success?  He makes his offense work
>> with what he has.  He inherited Chris Leak, the offense was modified, and
>> we won with him.  Won it all.  We had our Tebow years, modified the
>> offense, and we won with him.  Mullen leaves, we have a Leak clone, we
>> don't modify and we are losing horribly.  But what has Dan done?  He went
>> to an underachieving school.  Looked at what he had, he modified and is
>> winning.  He took a perennial cellar dweller and is making it work, with
>> someone else's recruits because a good carpenter can work with the tools
>> he has...
>>
>> Dan does what MUST be done to win.  He ran the ball 29 out of 30 times
>> against us.  Why?  It was working and it was what he needed to do to win.
>> He saw what Alabama did to us up the middle, and he copied it.  He say
>> what LSU did to us, and he copied it.  He is adjusting... modifying.  He
>> is doing what must be done to win, and he did it with far less quality of
>> player than Bama and LSU had.  This does not bode well for us.
>>
>> Our coaches insist on running an offense that is ill suited for our
>> personnel.  Dan wouldn't do this.  We are trying to force TOO many square
>> pegs into round holes.  Dan wouldn't do this either.
>>
>> You think it is just about Brantley?  It is not.  Without adequate
>> blocking, and by adequate I mean they open a hole occasionally, running
>> backs will go nowhere.  Especially a 190 pound running back when you run
>> right up the middle.  It doesn't matter how fast you are when all there is
>> in front of you is a wall of defenders.  We have no solid tight end
>> threat.  We have hybrids.  We have kids playing positions that they can
>> play but maybe shouldn't be playing, at least not yet.  Dan wouldn't do
>> this.
>>
>> We have a complete and total lack of a deep threat.  Are all these blue
>> chip recruits suddenly slow?  Or can Brantley just not complete the long
>> ball?  Or are we just plain not calling them?  And where is the mention of
>> our QB coach?  Why have we heard nothing about him or in regards to him?
>> Is he all of a sudden a bad coach?  I haven't heard his name mention since
>> Tebow left.  Wasn't Dan Mullen also our QB coach?
>>
>> Or, just maybe, this offensive line, supposedly the strength of the team,
>> can't even figure out what to do with this offense either.  They may be
>> ill suited for the zone blocking and reads that the first half offense
>> relies on.  They seem to do MUCH better in the second half when Brantley
>> starts throwing it around, when they are told to man up and block a person
>> instead of an area.  Again, an area in need of much change-- similar to
>> what Dan has done with MSU.  Take what you have, evaluate it, figure out
>> what you do well, and then ride that horse.  29 out of 30 rushing plays.
>> The one pass?  A shovel pass, practically a running play as well.  Dan
>> does what you have to do to win.  He does what works.
>>
>> We see this week in and week out, yet no adjustment, no improvement, no
>> change.  Its as if we (and dare I say it?) are stubborn just like SOS was
>> when his passing game didn't work.  What did Spurrier do when you squashed
>> his passing?  He continued to throw it, bound and determined to show the
>> world a thing or two and that it will work.  Well, by then, it didn't...
>> and we would lose.  I see that all over again, except this time it is this
>> bastardization of the spread offense.  When you stop our 3 or 4 plays,
>> that we call 10 times each a game, we don't seem to make any changes until
>> the second hal

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[oliver]

Could we recruit her for the rest of this season?

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Ohio girl's field goal believed to be longest by female in a game

By Cameron Smith

Female kickers across the country generally generate attention for two things: 
Playing football and being female. Akron, Ohio's Alana Gaither, however, is 
earning serious acclaim for a third reason: She's a truly outstanding kicker, 
as backed up by a recent field goal believed to be the longest ever made by a 
girl in a competitive football game, at the high school level or higher.

According to Akron's WKYC.com, Gaither hit a 43-yard field goal just before 
halftime during her Firestone (Ohio) High School team's 45-6 win over city 
rival Ellet on Oct. 8. The kick was the final play of the first half and easily 
sailed through the uprights, with some in attendance estimating the kick would 
have easily been good from 48 yards, too. 
"I was like, 'Coach, I'm feeling good,'" Gaither told Firestone coach Tim 
F

RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Charlie]

+1

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From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of wildeart...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:58 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Mullen was an unimaginative and uninspired play-caller who won so much
because he had great players like Tebow and Harvin. We won in spite of his
play-calling, not because of it.  He showed that again Saturday night. They
didn't win because he had a great game plan, or because he called a good
game. They won because we were so bad that they couldn't help it. They tried
to give us every chance to win, but we wouldn't take it. Adazzio is
certainly worse, but I sure don't want Mullen back. 


Rob




Sent from my iPad

On Oct 17, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Scott Lucas  wrote:



Let me preface this by saying some of you may not like this:  We have not
been very good since Dan Mullen left, and HE may be the reason for Urban's
success at Florida and previously.
 
Let that sink in.
 
Without Dan, Florida's offense is lifeless.  A shell of its former self.
Former?  Yes, former... as in when Mullen was here calling the shots.  Oh
sure, Adazzio had a great offense against Cincinnati.  Whoopie!  It was
Cincinnati-- hardly a perennial power, not from a powerhouse conference, and
they got exactly what any middle of the road SEC would give them.  That is
Adazzio's best game.  A game in which he had 3 weeks to prepare.  He has not
accomplished anything real other than that.
 
As for Dan, why is he the key to UM's success?  He makes his offense work
with what he has.  He inherited Chris Leak, the offense was modified, and we
won with him.  Won it all.  We had our Tebow years, modified the offense,
and we won with him.  Mullen leaves, we have a Leak clone, we don't modify
and we are losing horribly.  But what has Dan done?  He went to an
underachieving school.  Looked at what he had, he modified and is winning.
He took a perennial cellar dweller and is making it work, with someone
else's recruits because a good carpenter can work with the tools he has...
 
Dan does what MUST be done to win.  He ran the ball 29 out of 30 times
against us.  Why?  It was working and it was what he needed to do to win.
He saw what Alabama did to us up the middle, and he copied it.  He say what
LSU did to us, and he copied it.  He is adjusting... modifying.  He is doing
what must be done to win, and he did it with far less quality of player than
Bama and LSU had.  This does not bode well for us.  
 
Our coaches insist on running an offense that is ill suited for our
personnel.  Dan wouldn't do this.  We are trying to force TOO many square
pegs into round holes.  Dan wouldn't do this either.  
 
You think it is just about Brantley?  It is not.  Without adequate blocking,
and by adequate I mean they open a hole occasionally, running backs will go
nowhere.  Especially a 190 pound running back when you run right up the
middle.  It doesn't matter how fast you are when all there is in front of
you is a wall of defenders.  We have no solid tight end threat.  We have
hybrids.  We have kids playing positions that they can play but maybe
shouldn't be playing, at least not yet.  Dan wouldn't do this.  
 
We have a complete and total lack of a deep threat.  Are all these blue chip
recruits suddenly slow?  Or can Brantley just not complete the long ball?
Or are we just plain not calling them?  And where is the mention of our QB
coach?  Why have we heard nothing about him or in regards to him?  Is he all
of a sudden a bad coach?  I haven't heard his name mention since Tebow left.
Wasn't Dan Mullen also our QB coach?
 
Or, just maybe, this offensive line, supposedly the strength of the team,
can't even figure out what to do with this offense either.  They may be ill
suited for the zone blocking and reads that the first half offense relies
on.  They seem to do MUCH better in the second half when Brantley starts
throwing it around, when they are told to man up and block a person instead
of an area.  Again, an area in need of much change-- similar to what Dan has
done with MSU.  Take what you have, evaluate it, figure out what you do
well, and then ride that horse.  29 out of 30 rushing plays.  The one pass?
A shovel pass, practically a running play as well.  Dan does what you have
to do to win.  He does what works.
 
We see this week in and week out, yet no adjustment, no improvement, no
change.  Its as if we (and dare I say it?) are stubborn just like SOS was
when his passing game didn't work.  What did Spurrier do when you squashed
his passing?  He continued to throw it, bound and determined to show the
world a thing or two and that it will work.  Well, by then, it didn't... and
we would lose.  I see that all over again, except this time it is this
bastardization of the spread offense.  When you stop our 3 or 4 plays, that
we call 10 times each a game, we don't seem to make any changes until the
second half.  
 
So what happens in the s

Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[wildeart...@gmail.com]

Mullen was an unimaginative and uninspired play-caller who won so much because 
he had great players like Tebow and Harvin. We won in spite of his 
play-calling, not because of it.  He showed that again Saturday night. They 
didn't win because he had a great game plan, or because he called a good game. 
They won because we were so bad that they couldn't help it. They tried to give 
us every chance to win, but we wouldn't take it. Adazzio is certainly worse, 
but I sure don't want Mullen back. 

Rob




Sent from my iPad

On Oct 17, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Scott Lucas  wrote:

> Let me preface this by saying some of you may not like this:  We have not 
> been very good since Dan Mullen left, and HE may be the reason for Urban's 
> success at Florida and previously.
>  
> Let that sink in.
>  
> Without Dan, Florida's offense is lifeless.  A shell of its former self.  
> Former?  Yes, former... as in when Mullen was here calling the shots.  Oh 
> sure, Adazzio had a great offense against Cincinnati.  Whoopie!  It was 
> Cincinnati-- hardly a perennial power, not from a powerhouse conference, and 
> they got exactly what any middle of the road SEC would give them.  That is 
> Adazzio's best game.  A game in which he had 3 weeks to prepare.  He has not 
> accomplished anything real other than that.
>  
> As for Dan, why is he the key to UM's success?  He makes his offense work 
> with what he has.  He inherited Chris Leak, the offense was modified, and we 
> won with him.  Won it all.  We had our Tebow years, modified the offense, and 
> we won with him.  Mullen leaves, we have a Leak clone, we don't modify and we 
> are losing horribly.  But what has Dan done?  He went to an underachieving 
> school.  Looked at what he had, he modified and is winning.  He took a 
> perennial cellar dweller and is making it work, with someone else's recruits 
> because a good carpenter can work with the tools he has...
>  
> Dan does what MUST be done to win.  He ran the ball 29 out of 30 times 
> against us.  Why?  It was working and it was what he needed to do to win.  He 
> saw what Alabama did to us up the middle, and he copied it.  He say what LSU 
> did to us, and he copied it.  He is adjusting... modifying.  He is doing what 
> must be done to win, and he did it with far less quality of player than Bama 
> and LSU had.  This does not bode well for us. 
>  
> Our coaches insist on running an offense that is ill suited for our 
> personnel.  Dan wouldn't do this.  We are trying to force TOO many square 
> pegs into round holes.  Dan wouldn't do this either. 
>  
> You think it is just about Brantley?  It is not.  Without adequate blocking, 
> and by adequate I mean they open a hole occasionally, running backs will go 
> nowhere.  Especially a 190 pound running back when you run right up the 
> middle.  It doesn't matter how fast you are when all there is in front of you 
> is a wall of defenders.  We have no solid tight end threat.  We have hybrids. 
>  We have kids playing positions that they can play but maybe shouldn't be 
> playing, at least not yet.  Dan wouldn't do this. 
>  
> We have a complete and total lack of a deep threat.  Are all these blue chip 
> recruits suddenly slow?  Or can Brantley just not complete the long ball?  Or 
> are we just plain not calling them?  And where is the mention of our QB 
> coach?  Why have we heard nothing about him or in regards to him?  Is he all 
> of a sudden a bad coach?  I haven't heard his name mention since Tebow left.  
> Wasn't Dan Mullen also our QB coach?
>  
> Or, just maybe, this offensive line, supposedly the strength of the team, 
> can't even figure out what to do with this offense either.  They may be ill 
> suited for the zone blocking and reads that the first half offense relies on. 
>  They seem to do MUCH better in the second half when Brantley starts throwing 
> it around, when they are told to man up and block a person instead of an 
> area.  Again, an area in need of much change-- similar to what Dan has done 
> with MSU.  Take what you have, evaluate it, figure out what you do well, and 
> then ride that horse.  29 out of 30 rushing plays.  The one pass?  A shovel 
> pass, practically a running play as well.  Dan does what you have to do to 
> win.  He does what works.
>  
> We see this week in and week out, yet no adjustment, no improvement, no 
> change.  Its as if we (and dare I say it?) are stubborn just like SOS was 
> when his passing game didn't work.  What did Spurrier do when you squashed 
> his passing?  He continued to throw it, bound and determined to show the 
> world a thing or two and that it will work.  Well, by then, it didn't... and 
> we would lose.  I see that all over again, except this time it is this 
> bastardization of the spread offense.  When you stop our 3 or 4 plays, that 
> we call 10 times each a game, we don't seem to make any changes until the 
> second half. 
>  
> So what happens in the second half?  We let Brantley be Brant

RE: [gatortalk] Pick 'em results

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From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of John Bowers
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 11:44 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com; Gator News
Subject: [gatortalk] Pick 'em results

 

Jimbo Murphy, Kate Wilson, and Reggie 'D' finished tied for first at 9-3 on
Saturday.  

 

 

Second place tie was among Bo Wroble, Brian Martinez, Chris Weathers, Don
Orth, 

and James O'Neil, all at 8-4.  

 

 

For the year, we have a new leader.  Teebo Fischer is at 50-34, followed by
Jerry Belloit,

John McInnes, and Ryan Marcus at 49-35.  Third place tie is Carlos Martinez,
Ed Kling,

Joe Standley, and Phil Kegler, all at 48-36.  

 

 

Pick 'Em takes a break this week, since the Bad News Gators have an off
week.  Although when

you think about it, they've had three straight 'OFF WEEKS' lately.   At

least this Saturday they won't lose again.

 

 

 

See y'all next week.  GO GATORS!!   

 

 

 

John and Oz

 

 

 

http://pickem.g8r.com

 

 

 

 

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2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions | 
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Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

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2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions   |   
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

Re: [gatortalk] TV Gator Alert!

[Arthur Polhill]

It's standing room only at Li'l Dooey's in Starkville where it's high noon and 
high times.
 A. Leon Polhill, Gator
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain 





From: Jay Cicone 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 12:46:23 PM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] TV Gator Alert!


Yawn…..
From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of 
Arthur Polhill
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 12:46 PM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] TV Gator Alert!
 
ESPNU is replaying the Mississippi State at Florida game at 1:00pm.
 
A. Leon Polhill, Gator
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain 
-- 
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2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions | 
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us-- 
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions | 
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

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Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

Re: [gatortalk] I miss Charlie Pell

[Badrish]

whoever it is...they better do it fast. this is not good at all for
recruiting and if we fail there...then only goodness can save us!

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Arthur Polhill wrote:

> Me, too.
>
> A. Leon Polhill, Gator
> "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
> I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain
>
>
>  --
> *From:* Oliver Barry 
> *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Mon, October 18, 2010 12:21:20 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [gatortalk] I miss Charlie Pell
>
>  I’m betting on Meyer.
>
>
>
>
>
> Oliver Barry CRS,GRI
>
> Real Estate Broker
>
> Bob Parks Realty
>
> 1517 Hunt Club Blvd
>
> Gallatin TN 37066
>
> Phone: 615-826-4040
>
> Fax: 615-822-2027
>
> Mobile: 615-972-4239
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto: gatortalk@googlegroups.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Arthur Polhill
> *Sent:* Monday, October 18, 2010 11:14 AM
> *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] I miss Charlie Pell
>
>
>
> There will definitely be a solution, Oliver. The questions are when will it
> be found and who will find it: Meyer or Foley?
>
>
> A. Leon Polhill, Gator
> "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
> I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Oliver Barry < oli...@bobparks.com >
> *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Mon, October 18, 2010 12:01:56 PM
> *Subject:* [gatortalk] I miss Charlie Pell
>
> Just to get off the Dan Mullen thing…
>
> We have a lot of new this season.  Tebow and Spikes are gone along with
> what, 9 others who went to the NFL?
>
> New coaches, new quarterback who is learning the game, new injuries, new
> offensive line (although they were supposed to be the strength of the team
> they’re still relatively new considering the injuries and shuffling they’ve
> gone through.
>
> New “playmakers” new lots of stuff!
>
> But, same old expectations…  we were crazy to think this team was the 7thbest 
> team in the country at the beginning of the season.
>
> No, things aren’t the same at practice, they couldn’t possibly be.
>
> Dan Mullen/Steve Addazio are just calling the plays the coaches came up
> with together.  Meyer has a headphone on on every play.
>
> He’s also listening to the defense.
>
> The team isn’t performing up to expectations, that’s certain.  Will they
> continue this path forever without firing somebody?
>
> Simply, no.
>
> Meyer and team have won 2 national championships at Florida .  Although I
> hate to lose to 3 teams in a row, I will give them the benefit of the doubt
> that they can pull things together and start winning again.  As a matter of
> fact, I’m sure they will.
>
> I don’t know what’s happening in practice.  Neither does anyone else.  I’m
> sure they’re working on the problems.  I’m sure there will be a solution.
>
>
>
> Oliver Barry CRS,GRI
>
> Real Estate Broker
>
> Bob Parks Realty
>
> 1517 Hunt Club Blvd
>
> Gallatin TN 37066
>
> Phone: 615-826-4040
>
> Fax: 615-822-2027
>
> Mobile: 615-972-4239
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto: gatortalk@googlegroups.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve McKibben
> *Sent:* Monday, October 18, 2010 6:05 AM
> *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
>
>
>
> *Scott Lucas * wrote:
>
> 30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and
> his opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?
>
>
> That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...
> 
>
> He was playing on a knife edge.
>
> Had the roles been reversed and either;
>
> The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker didn't
> miss a field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT loss, our
> coaches would have been crucified for employing that same strategy.
>
> How do I know? because they were attacked for not winning "attractively
> enough" - this year.
>
> I'm sure Mullen was glad to get the win - as he should be, but you know
> very well that a lot of the same criticisms leveled at Addazio these days
> were directed at Mullen during his time at UF.
>
> Not that I'm letting our coaching staff off of the hook. I heard something
> last night that I found very disconcerting, if true, but it would explain a
> lot of what we've been seeing with the team this year.
>
> We all know about Meyer's "re-invention" after his health issues caused his
> temporary retirement. Apparently that is still very much a work in progress.
> I read that he has delegated so much of his former duties that practices are
> said to be very disorganized - something that is the polar opposite of how
> they were when he was paying attention to every little detail.
>
> Considering the number of new staff members that weren't around to see how
> we've done it before I could see how that could sp

Re: [gatortalk] Is there any good news?

[willieg8r]

Where can I buy a pair of those rose colored glasses your're wearing?





From: Jerry Belloit 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, October 16, 2010 10:25:33 PM
Subject: [gatortalk] Is there any good news?


At least we are still undefeated in the SEC east?!?  We oddly still control our 
destiny.
 
I could not see, was the team singing with the fans at the end of the game?
 
Jerry-- 
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RE: [gatortalk] TV Gator Alert!

[Jay Cicone]

Pass the lithium.

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 12:51 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] TV Gator Alert!

 

I was thinking more like "retch"...

Jay Cicone  wrote:

Yawn.

Behalf Of Arthur Polhill

Subject: [gatortalk] TV Gator Alert!

 

ESPNU is replaying the Mississippi State at Florida game at 1:00pm.

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(1996),
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RE: [gatortalk] TV Gator Alert!

[Steve McKibben]

I was thinking more like "retch"...

Jay Cicone  wrote:
Yawn….. 





Behalf Of Arthur Polhill



Subject: [gatortalk] TV Gator Alert! 





   





ESPNU is
replaying the Mississippi State at Florida game at 1:00pm.

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Re: [gatortalk] TV Gator Alert!

[oliver]

Yahoo!!!  Can't wait for that one! 


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Arthur Polhill 
Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:45:37 
To: 
Reply-To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] TV Gator Alert!

ESPNU is replaying the Mississippi State at Florida game at 1:00pm.
 A. Leon Polhill, Gator
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain 

-- 
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2008 National Football Champions   |   
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Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

RE: [gatortalk] TV Gator Alert!

[Jay Cicone]

Yawn.

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Arthur Polhill
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 12:46 PM
To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] TV Gator Alert!

 

ESPNU is replaying the Mississippi State at Florida game at 1:00pm.
 

A. Leon Polhill, Gator
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain 

-- 
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2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions | 
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(1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

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2008 National Football Champions   |   
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

[gatortalk] TV Gator Alert!

[Arthur Polhill]

ESPNU is replaying the Mississippi State at Florida game at 1:00pm.
 A. Leon Polhill, Gator
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain 

-- 
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2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions   |   
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

[gatortalk] Pick 'em results

[John Bowers]

Jimbo Murphy, Kate Wilson, and Reggie 'D' finished tied for first at 9-3 on
Saturday.  

 

 

Second place tie was among Bo Wroble, Brian Martinez, Chris Weathers, Don
Orth, 

and James O'Neil, all at 8-4.  

 

 

For the year, we have a new leader.  Teebo Fischer is at 50-34, followed by
Jerry Belloit,

John McInnes, and Ryan Marcus at 49-35.  Third place tie is Carlos Martinez,
Ed Kling,

Joe Standley, and Phil Kegler, all at 48-36.  

 

 

Pick 'Em takes a break this week, since the Bad News Gators have an off
week.  Although when

you think about it, they've had three straight 'OFF WEEKS' lately.   At

least this Saturday they won't lose again.

 

 

 

See y'all next week.  GO GATORS!!   

 

 

 

John and Oz

 

 

 

http://pickem.g8r.com

 

 

 

 

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2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions   |   
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

Re: [gatortalk] I miss Charlie Pell

[Arthur Polhill]

Me, too.
 A. Leon Polhill, Gator
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain 





From: Oliver Barry 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 12:21:20 PM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Charlie Pell


I’m betting on Meyer.  
 
 
Oliver Barry CRS,GRI
Real Estate Broker
Bob Parks Realty
1517 Hunt Club Blvd
GallatinTN 37066
Phone: 615-826-4040
Fax: 615-822-2027
Mobile: 615-972-4239
 
 



From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto: gatortalk@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
Of Arthur Polhill
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 11:14 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Charlie Pell
 
There will definitely be a solution, Oliver. The questions are when will it be 
found and who will find it: Meyer or Foley?
 
A. Leon Polhill, Gator
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain 
 
 



From:Oliver Barry < oli...@bobparks.com >
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 12:01:56 PM
Subject: [gatortalk] I miss Charlie Pell
Just to get off the Dan Mullen thing…
We have a lot of new this season.  Tebow and Spikes are gone along with what, 9 
others who went to the NFL?
New coaches, new quarterback who is learning the game, new injuries, new 
offensive line (although they were supposed to be the strength of the team 
they’re still relatively new considering the injuries and shuffling they’ve 
gone 
through.
New “playmakers” new lots of stuff!
But, same old expectations…  we were crazy to think this team was the 7th best 
team in the country at the beginning of the season.
No, things aren’t the same at practice, they couldn’t possibly be.  
Dan Mullen/Steve Addazio are just calling the plays the coaches came up with 
together.  Meyer has a headphone on on every play.
He’s also listening to the defense.  
The team isn’t performing up to expectations, that’s certain.  Will they 
continue this path forever without firing somebody?
Simply, no.  
Meyer and team have won 2 national championships at Florida .  Although I hate 
to lose to 3 teams in a row, I will give them the benefit of the doubt that 
they 
can pull things together and start winning again.  As a matter of fact, I’m 
sure 
they will.
I don’t know what’s happening in practice.  Neither does anyone else.  I’m sure 
they’re working on the problems.  I’m sure there will be a solution.
 
Oliver Barry CRS,GRI
Real Estate Broker
Bob Parks Realty
1517 Hunt Club Blvd
GallatinTN 37066
Phone: 615-826-4040
Fax: 615-822-2027
Mobile: 615-972-4239
 
 



From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto: gatortalk@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:05 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
 
Scott Lucas  wrote:
30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his 
opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  


That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...

He was playing on a knife edge.

Had the roles been reversed and either;

The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker didn't miss a 
field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT loss, our coaches would 
have been crucified for employing that same strategy.

How do I know? because they were attacked for not winning "attractively enough" 
- this year.

I'm sure Mullen was glad to get the win - as he should be, but you know very 
well that a lot of the same criticisms leveled at Addazio these days were 
directed at Mullen during his time at UF. 


Not that I'm letting our coaching staff off of the hook. I heard something last 
night that I found very disconcerting, if true, but it would explain a lot of 
what we've been seeing with the team this year.

We all know about Meyer's "re-invention" after his health issues caused his 
temporary retirement. Apparently that is still very much a work in progress. I 
read that he has delegated so much of his former duties that practices are said 
to be very disorganized - something that is the polar opposite of how they were 
when he was paying attention to every little detail.

Considering the number of new staff members that weren't around to see how 
we've 
done it before I could see how that could spiral out of control in a hurry.

The big question/debate seems to be this;

If Meyer remains the head coach will we continue to do things this way, or 
can/will he see that drastic measures need to be taken, and can/will he be able 
to make the needed corrections?

Some of the message boards resemble the Zook era - there are some who are 
convinced that he must go NOW, some who blindly refuse to question him due to 
his resume here (until recently I was in this group), and

Re: [gatortalk] Digest for gatortalk@googlegroups.com - 18 Messages in 1 Topic

[brian hicks]

"If nobody was making plays, we would be getting blown out instead of losing at 
the last second."

Losing at the last second...?  Who...???  Sorry, Ken...this team has lost 2 of 
the last 3 games well before halftime.  Regardless of the score, we ARE getting 
blown out.  

 
Besides the L$U game two weeks ago, how many games has UF lost at the last 
second...?  Will someone refresh our memories...
 
Maybe you meant "...instead of not winning at the last second."
 
I would also argue that the way Mullen/M$U coasted from the 2nd quarter on with 
a pure as snow running game, we did get blown out, definitely...the score just 
didn't indicate the result as such.  Oh, I'd call the Bama game a blowout, 
too.  
Same stinky offense.
 
And now this from the changing the subject toolbox:  Let's see, how did we 
score 
points against UK...???  I have an idea...let's try that approach 
again...anybody else think we maybe should geive that a shot...???
 
Brian Hicks 
Still...lurking, surrounded, and deep in enemy territory...
Caledonia, MI

 
"Ken Kirkley"  Oct 18 08:49AM -0500 ^
 
I think we are on the same page here. I agree that this is Meyer's problem.
Everyone is saying we need to fire Adazzio, replace Brantley, etc.,etc. We
have problems in every facet of the game from play calling to execution to
chemistry and leadership. Replacing one person won't solve the problem, we
need to find the root cause and fix that. Is it the disorganization in
practice? I don't know but we better find out soon!

And yes we have players making plays all game. Janoris Jenkins has 2
interceptions on the year, yet missed covering the kicker on the LSU fake
FG, Carl Moore has been making plays, Gillislee has been productive. If
nobody was making plays, we would be getting blown out instead of losing at
the last second.


  

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RE: [gatortalk] I miss Charlie Pell

[Oliver Barry]

I'm betting on Meyer.  

 

 

Oliver Barry CRS,GRI

Real Estate Broker

Bob Parks Realty

1517 Hunt Club Blvd

Gallatin TN 37066

Phone: 615-826-4040

Fax: 615-822-2027

Mobile: 615-972-4239

 

 

  _  

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Arthur Polhill
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 11:14 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Charlie Pell

 

There will definitely be a solution, Oliver. The questions are when will it
be found and who will find it: Meyer or Foley?
 

A. Leon Polhill, Gator
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain 

 

 

  _  

From: Oliver Barry 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 12:01:56 PM
Subject: [gatortalk] I miss Charlie Pell

Just to get off the Dan Mullen thing.

We have a lot of new this season.  Tebow and Spikes are gone along with
what, 9 others who went to the NFL?

New coaches, new quarterback who is learning the game, new injuries, new
offensive line (although they were supposed to be the strength of the team
they're still relatively new considering the injuries and shuffling they've
gone through.

New "playmakers" new lots of stuff!

But, same old expectations.  we were crazy to think this team was the 7th
best team in the country at the beginning of the season.

No, things aren't the same at practice, they couldn't possibly be.  

Dan Mullen/Steve Addazio are just calling the plays the coaches came up with
together.  Meyer has a headphone on on every play.

He's also listening to the defense.  

The team isn't performing up to expectations, that's certain.  Will they
continue this path forever without firing somebody?

Simply, no.  

Meyer and team have won 2 national championships at Florida .  Although I
hate to lose to 3 teams in a row, I will give them the benefit of the doubt
that they can pull things together and start winning again.  As a matter of
fact, I'm sure they will.

I don't know what's happening in practice.  Neither does anyone else.  I'm
sure they're working on the problems.  I'm sure there will be a solution.

 

Oliver Barry CRS,GRI

Real Estate Broker

Bob Parks Realty

1517 Hunt Club Blvd

Gallatin TN 37066

Phone: 615-826-4040

Fax: 615-822-2027

Mobile: 615-972-4239

 

 

  _  

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto: gatortalk@googlegroups.com ] On
Behalf Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:05 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

 


Scott Lucas  wrote:

30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his
opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  


That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...


He was playing on a knife edge.

Had the roles been reversed and either;

The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker didn't
miss a field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT loss, our
coaches would have been crucified for employing that same strategy.

How do I know? because they were attacked for not winning "attractively
enough" - this year.

I'm sure Mullen was glad to get the win - as he should be, but you know very
well that a lot of the same criticisms leveled at Addazio these days were
directed at Mullen during his time at UF. 

Not that I'm letting our coaching staff off of the hook. I heard something
last night that I found very disconcerting, if true, but it would explain a
lot of what we've been seeing with the team this year.

We all know about Meyer's "re-invention" after his health issues caused his
temporary retirement. Apparently that is still very much a work in progress.
I read that he has delegated so much of his former duties that practices are
said to be very disorganized - something that is the polar opposite of how
they were when he was paying attention to every little detail.

Considering the number of new staff members that weren't around to see how
we've done it before I could see how that could spiral out of control in a
hurry.

The big question/debate seems to be this;

If Meyer remains the head coach will we continue to do things this way, or
can/will he see that drastic measures need to be taken, and can/will he be
able to make the needed corrections?

Some of the message boards resemble the Zook era - there are some who are
convinced that he must go NOW, some who blindly refuse to question him due
to his resume here (until recently I was in this group), and some who feel
that said body of work should buy him at least a season of adjustment (this
year) to see if in fact he's willing and able to take the steps neccessary
to right the ship, or if seeing that doing things this way isn't good
enough, will once again retire (where I stand now).

Steve

-- 
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions

Re: [gatortalk] I miss Charlie Pell

[Arthur Polhill]

There will definitely be a solution, Oliver. The questions are when will it be 
found and who will find it: Meyer or Foley?
 A. Leon Polhill, Gator
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain 





From: Oliver Barry 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 12:01:56 PM
Subject: [gatortalk] I miss Charlie Pell


Just to get off the Dan Mullen thing…
We have a lot of new this season.  Tebow and Spikes are gone along with what, 9 
others who went to the NFL?
New coaches, new quarterback who is learning the game, new injuries, new 
offensive line (although they were supposed to be the strength of the team 
they’re still relatively new considering the injuries and shuffling they’ve 
gone 
through.
New “playmakers” new lots of stuff!
But, same old expectations…  we were crazy to think this team was the 7th best 
team in the country at the beginning of the season.
No, things aren’t the same at practice, they couldn’t possibly be.  
Dan Mullen/Steve Addazio are just calling the plays the coaches came up with 
together.  Meyer has a headphone on on every play.
He’s also listening to the defense.  
The team isn’t performing up to expectations, that’s certain.  Will they 
continue this path forever without firing somebody?
Simply, no.  
Meyer and team have won 2 national championships at Florida .  Although I hate 
to lose to 3 teams in a row, I will give them the benefit of the doubt that 
they 
can pull things together and start winning again.  As a matter of fact, I’m 
sure 
they will.
I don’t know what’s happening in practice.  Neither does anyone else.  I’m sure 
they’re working on the problems.  I’m sure there will be a solution.
 
Oliver Barry CRS,GRI
Real Estate Broker
Bob Parks Realty
1517 Hunt Club Blvd
GallatinTN 37066
Phone: 615-826-4040
Fax: 615-822-2027
Mobile: 615-972-4239
 
 



From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto: gatortalk@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:05 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
 
Scott Lucas  wrote:
30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his 
opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  


That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...

He was playing on a knife edge.

Had the roles been reversed and either;

The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker didn't miss a 
field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT loss, our coaches would 
have been crucified for employing that same strategy.

How do I know? because they were attacked for not winning "attractively enough" 
- this year.

I'm sure Mullen was glad to get the win - as he should be, but you know very 
well that a lot of the same criticisms leveled at Addazio these days were 
directed at Mullen during his time at UF. 


Not that I'm letting our coaching staff off of the hook. I heard something last 
night that I found very disconcerting, if true, but it would explain a lot of 
what we've been seeing with the team this year.

We all know about Meyer's "re-invention" after his health issues caused his 
temporary retirement. Apparently that is still very much a work in progress. I 
read that he has delegated so much of his former duties that practices are said 
to be very disorganized - something that is the polar opposite of how they were 
when he was paying attention to every little detail.

Considering the number of new staff members that weren't around to see how 
we've 
done it before I could see how that could spiral out of control in a hurry.

The big question/debate seems to be this;

If Meyer remains the head coach will we continue to do things this way, or 
can/will he see that drastic measures need to be taken, and can/will he be able 
to make the needed corrections?

Some of the message boards resemble the Zook era - there are some who are 
convinced that he must go NOW, some who blindly refuse to question him due to 
his resume here (until recently I was in this group), and some who feel that 
said body of work should buy him at least a season of adjustment (this year) to 
see if in fact he's willing and able to take the steps neccessary to right the 
ship, or if seeing that doing things this way isn't good enough, will once 
again 
retire (where I stand now).

Steve 
-- 
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions | 
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us-- 
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions | 2006 Nati

[gatortalk] I miss Charlie Pell

[Oliver Barry]

Just to get off the Dan Mullen thing.

We have a lot of new this season.  Tebow and Spikes are gone along with
what, 9 others who went to the NFL?

New coaches, new quarterback who is learning the game, new injuries, new
offensive line (although they were supposed to be the strength of the team
they're still relatively new considering the injuries and shuffling they've
gone through.

New "playmakers" new lots of stuff!

But, same old expectations.  we were crazy to think this team was the 7th
best team in the country at the beginning of the season.

No, things aren't the same at practice, they couldn't possibly be.  

Dan Mullen/Steve Addazio are just calling the plays the coaches came up with
together.  Meyer has a headphone on on every play.

He's also listening to the defense.  

The team isn't performing up to expectations, that's certain.  Will they
continue this path forever without firing somebody?

Simply, no.  

Meyer and team have won 2 national championships at Florida.  Although I
hate to lose to 3 teams in a row, I will give them the benefit of the doubt
that they can pull things together and start winning again.  As a matter of
fact, I'm sure they will.

I don't know what's happening in practice.  Neither does anyone else.  I'm
sure they're working on the problems.  I'm sure there will be a solution.

 

Oliver Barry CRS,GRI

Real Estate Broker

Bob Parks Realty

1517 Hunt Club Blvd

Gallatin TN 37066

Phone: 615-826-4040

Fax: 615-822-2027

Mobile: 615-972-4239

 

 

  _  

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:05 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

 


Scott Lucas  wrote:

30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his
opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  


That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...


He was playing on a knife edge.

Had the roles been reversed and either;

The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker didn't
miss a field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT loss, our
coaches would have been crucified for employing that same strategy.

How do I know? because they were attacked for not winning "attractively
enough" - this year.

I'm sure Mullen was glad to get the win - as he should be, but you know very
well that a lot of the same criticisms leveled at Addazio these days were
directed at Mullen during his time at UF. 

Not that I'm letting our coaching staff off of the hook. I heard something
last night that I found very disconcerting, if true, but it would explain a
lot of what we've been seeing with the team this year.

We all know about Meyer's "re-invention" after his health issues caused his
temporary retirement. Apparently that is still very much a work in progress.
I read that he has delegated so much of his former duties that practices are
said to be very disorganized - something that is the polar opposite of how
they were when he was paying attention to every little detail.

Considering the number of new staff members that weren't around to see how
we've done it before I could see how that could spiral out of control in a
hurry.

The big question/debate seems to be this;

If Meyer remains the head coach will we continue to do things this way, or
can/will he see that drastic measures need to be taken, and can/will he be
able to make the needed corrections?

Some of the message boards resemble the Zook era - there are some who are
convinced that he must go NOW, some who blindly refuse to question him due
to his resume here (until recently I was in this group), and some who feel
that said body of work should buy him at least a season of adjustment (this
year) to see if in fact he's willing and able to take the steps neccessary
to right the ship, or if seeing that doing things this way isn't good
enough, will once again retire (where I stand now).

Steve

-- 
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions | 
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

-- 
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions   |   
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Arthur Polhill]

No! Paula and I are going to Jacksonville and then on to Nashville.  The party 
continues. Can we get together with Oliver and you?
 A. Leon Polhill, Gator
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain 





From: Shane Ford 
To: "gatortalk@googlegroups.com" 
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 8:06:45 AM
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Yeah, you knuckle-dragger! ;-) Is this season ever going to end?


Shane FordSent from my iPhone 
Go Gators!

On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:55 AM, "Randy Lyons"  wrote:


HEY! Don’t blame me you’re getting senile! The LAST thing I need is for MARY to 
be mad at me! J
> 
>Randy
> 
>From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>Of 
>Arthur Polhill
>Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 12:55 AM
>To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
> 
>Mary, I apologize for calling you Cee a moment ago.  (blush) Randoo made me do 
>it.
> 
>A. Leon Polhill, Gator
>"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
>I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain 
> 
> 
>


>From:Mary Weigly 
>To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 10:55:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
>
>Thanks for the thorough analysis, Scott.  I don't buy your assessment of 
>Mullen, 
>but you make some really good points.  In fact, I've recently been remembering 
>how stubborn SOS was when his game plan wasn't working and he would still 
>insist 
>on running it.  I'm sure most of us, here, remember how long it took for him 
>to 
>adopt a shotgun snap -- and how frustrated we all were that he wouldn't do it. 
>
> 
>I hate throwing Adazzio under the bus, especially when he has been asked to do 
>so much in Urban's stead, but he clearly is not doing the job (I should say 
>"jobs" because he is doing more than one).  The question I ask myself is this: 
> If we needed to hire an OC, would we consider Adazzio?  That answer has to be 
>"no."  Our play-calling is predictable, ineffective, and often 
>incomprehensible. 
> I happen to believe that many of the bad plays are due to JB panicking and 
>checking down, but there is just no way to know. 
> 
>I appreciate you sharing your analysis.  Again, you make good points.  One 
>thing 
>we can all agree on is that our team is getting worse instead of better, and 
>that changes need to be made.
> 
>Mary
>-- 
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>1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
>2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
>2008 National Football Champions | 
>Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
>Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
>-- 
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>1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
>2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
>2008 National Football Champions | 
>Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
>Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us-- 
>GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
>1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
>2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
>2008 National Football Champions | 
>Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
>Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us-- 
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
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2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions | 
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Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

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2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions   |   
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Arthur Polhill]

You've got it, Steve.  He's earned a lot of 'fix-it-up' time, but it better not 
go on for too long. Losing is not and should not be tolerated for long at UF in 
any sport. 

While I was a student the university adopted a challenging long-range plan for 
the athletic program that called for giving equal emphasis to all sports, men's 
and women's.  That means that all sports are given the same level of support 
and 
are expected to perform at the same level as each other. We would try to bring 
them all along together. In application that means we don't, like some schools, 
try to have outstanding men's basketball and women's volleyball programs and 
let 
every other sport do without. 

That philosophy has lead UF to be competing for championships in all sports. It 
took that approach 25 years to bear fruit with all-sports trophies. We can't 
let 
the football program drag us down.  They must keep up or we must make necessary 
changes. That's the plan.

Meyer has earned my complete support to turn things around by next season. If 
things are still floundering by the end of next season, I'll wish Meyer well, 
but we'll need a new coach. 
 A. Leon Polhill, Gator
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain 





From: Steve McKibben 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 7:04:54 AM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Scott Lucas  wrote:

30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his 
opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  

>
>
>That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...
>
>
>
He was playing on a knife edge.

Had the roles been reversed and either;

The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker didn't miss a 
field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT loss, our coaches would 
have been crucified for employing that same strategy.

How do I know? because they were attacked for not winning "attractively enough" 
- this year.

I'm sure Mullen was glad to get the win - as he should be, but you know very 
well that a lot of the same criticisms leveled at Addazio these days were 
directed at Mullen during his time at UF. 


Not that I'm letting our coaching staff off of the hook. I heard something last 
night that I found very disconcerting, if true, but it would explain a lot of 
what we've been seeing with the team this year.

We all know about Meyer's "re-invention" after his health issues caused his 
temporary retirement. Apparently that is still very much a work in progress. I 
read that he has delegated so much of his former duties that practices are said 
to be very disorganized - something that is the polar opposite of how they were 
when he was paying attention to every little detail.

Considering the number of new staff members that weren't around to see how 
we've 
done it before I could see how that could spiral out of control in a hurry.

The big question/debate seems to be this;

If Meyer remains the head coach will we continue to do things this way, or 
can/will he see that drastic measures need to be taken, and can/will he be able 
to make the needed corrections?

Some of the message boards resemble the Zook era - there are some who are 
convinced that he must go NOW, some who blindly refuse to question him due to 
his resume here (until recently I was in this group), and some who feel that 
said body of work should buy him at least a season of adjustment (this year) to 
see if in fact he's willing and able to take the steps neccessary to right the 
ship, or if seeing that doing things this way isn't good enough, will once 
again 
retire (where I stand now).

Steve
 -- 
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions | 
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

-- 
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions   |   
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Helen Huntley]

Steve's comments about Meyer and the disorganization at practice make a lot
of sense to me.
Ultimately the buck stops with Meyer because he is the head coach. If I am
remembering correctly, Pat Dooley said before the season that he did not
expect Meyer to last more than one or two years. Meyer can see perfectly
well that things aren't working. The question is whether he can find the
right people to whom to delegate his way of doing things and that they can
execute as he would have done. So far the answer is no. Having team
leadership like Tebow and Spikes no doubt made up for some coaching lapses
in the past.

Regarding Dan Mullen--Yes, he did what it took to win Saturday night and you
have to respect him for that. However, if the Gators had run the same exact
plays with the same exact result while Mississippi State ran the Gators'
plays with the Gators' results, I submit to you that the Gator fans would
not be saying nice things about their offensive play calling.

I'm glad they (and we) have a week off.

Helen


On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Ken Kirkley  wrote:

>  I think we are on the same page here.  I agree that this is Meyer's
> problem.  Everyone is saying we need to fire Adazzio, replace Brantley,
> etc.,etc.  We have problems in every facet of the game from play calling to
> execution to chemistry and leadership.  Replacing one person won't solve the
> problem, we need to find the root cause and fix that.  Is it the
> disorganization in practice?  I don't know but we better find out soon!
>
> And yes we have players making plays all game.  Janoris Jenkins has 2
> interceptions on the year, yet missed covering the kicker on the LSU fake
> FG, Carl Moore has been making plays, Gillislee has been productive.  If
> nobody was making plays, we would be getting blown out instead of losing at
> the last second.
>
>
>
>  --
>  *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Scott Lucas
> *Sent:* Monday, October 18, 2010 8:31 AM
>
> *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
>
>Come on!  If we were making plays all game we wouldn't be driving for
> game tieing field goals with 2 minutes to go or being blown out by 20+
> points!  You cannot believe they are making plays all game!!!  Seriously?
>
> Adazzio is the assistant head coach.  He is number 2.  He has been there
> and done that.  If practice is not going smoothly because too many new faces
> as Steve suggests, Adazzio is the fiery, motivational leader that isn't
> leading?  He doesn't have some level or responsibility to take charge of
> that?  Why would he sit idlely by and let that happen?  He was there last
> year, he knows what should be done and how.  Is he afraid of stepping on
> Meyer's toes?  Surely Meyer sees the disorganization, shouldn't he step in
> or have his assistant head coach take charge?
>
> Something is amiss... and it does start with coaching.  I stated that in an
> earlier post.  I also stated that these highly skilled players didn't just
> start sucking.  They are not being coached up correctly.  They didn't
> suddenly stop running fast.  They didn't stop making plays or unlearn how to
> catch.  They are not being put into a position to maximize their ability,
> and that goes exactly in line with what I was saying about designing around
> your personnel.  All of these kids are Meyer recruits.  They should fit or
> you have a plan to utilize their skills, if they don't and you don't, then
> don't recruit them.
>
> It seems as if people are afraid to point the finger at Meyer.  They would
> rather pinpoint Adazzio and, while he may be the root of the problem, its up
> to Meyer to fix.  That's why he is paid the big bucks.  I'm glad he is
> finally saying we need a change.  After the previous two losses it was all
> about excuses.
>
>
>
>
>
>  --
> *From:* Ken Kirkley 
> *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Mon, October 18, 2010 8:53:17 AM
> *Subject:* RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
>
> Except, the spinwheel came out during the 2007 season.  We  lost 4 games
> that year.  And while I will agree that our offense was better that year
> than this (could it be worse?), it was still very predictable and even with
> two of the best all time players Mullen couldn't win more than 9 games.
>
> And as far as the players not having the ability, come on, they make plays
> all game long and miss one and they don't have the ability?
>
> I am not happy with this teams performance either, but to think it would
> have been okay with Adazzio in another role is whistling past the
> graveyard.  We went through tremendous upheaval in our coaching staff this
> year and if what Steve is saying is true, the foundation on which the
> program was built is crumbling. The problems we are seeing on the field are
> systemic and replacing one person will not right the ship.
>
> Ken K
> MNGator
>
>  ---

RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Ken Kirkley]

I think we are on the same page here.  I agree that this is Meyer's problem.
Everyone is saying we need to fire Adazzio, replace Brantley, etc.,etc.  We
have problems in every facet of the game from play calling to execution to
chemistry and leadership.  Replacing one person won't solve the problem, we
need to find the root cause and fix that.  Is it the disorganization in
practice?  I don't know but we better find out soon!
 
And yes we have players making plays all game.  Janoris Jenkins has 2
interceptions on the year, yet missed covering the kicker on the LSU fake
FG, Carl Moore has been making plays, Gillislee has been productive.  If
nobody was making plays, we would be getting blown out instead of losing at
the last second.
 
 

  _  

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Scott Lucas
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 8:31 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Come on!  If we were making plays all game we wouldn't be driving for game
tieing field goals with 2 minutes to go or being blown out by 20+ points!
You cannot believe they are making plays all game!!!  Seriously?
 
Adazzio is the assistant head coach.  He is number 2.  He has been there and
done that.  If practice is not going smoothly because too many new faces as
Steve suggests, Adazzio is the fiery, motivational leader that isn't
leading?  He doesn't have some level or responsibility to take charge of
that?  Why would he sit idlely by and let that happen?  He was there last
year, he knows what should be done and how.  Is he afraid of stepping on
Meyer's toes?  Surely Meyer sees the disorganization, shouldn't he step in
or have his assistant head coach take charge?

Something is amiss... and it does start with coaching.  I stated that in an
earlier post.  I also stated that these highly skilled players didn't just
start sucking.  They are not being coached up correctly.  They didn't
suddenly stop running fast.  They didn't stop making plays or unlearn how to
catch.  They are not being put into a position to maximize their ability,
and that goes exactly in line with what I was saying about designing around
your personnel.  All of these kids are Meyer recruits.  They should fit or
you have a plan to utilize their skills, if they don't and you don't, then
don't recruit them.  

It seems as if people are afraid to point the finger at Meyer.  They would
rather pinpoint Adazzio and, while he may be the root of the problem, its up
to Meyer to fix.  That's why he is paid the big bucks.  I'm glad he is
finally saying we need a change.  After the previous two losses it was all
about excuses.  
 
 

 

  _  

From: Ken Kirkley 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 8:53:17 AM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Except, the spinwheel came out during the 2007 season.  We  lost 4 games
that year.  And while I will agree that our offense was better that year
than this (could it be worse?), it was still very predictable and even with
two of the best all time players Mullen couldn't win more than 9 games.
 
And as far as the players not having the ability, come on, they make plays
all game long and miss one and they don't have the ability?
 
I am not happy with this teams performance either, but to think it would
have been okay with Adazzio in another role is whistling past the graveyard.
We went through tremendous upheaval in our coaching staff this year and if
what Steve is saying is true, the foundation on which the program was built
is crumbling. The problems we are seeing on the field are systemic and
replacing one person will not right the ship.
 
Ken K
MNGator

  _  

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Scott Lucas
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:37 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


It's fine, I authored the initial thread, and I loved that wheel!
 
My point is, we may not have agreed with Mullen at the time, but it worked.
What we are doing now is just as predictable and more unimaginative AND
doesn't necessarily take the skills of our players into account.  You can't
say Mullen was wrong using Tebow and Harvin like he did... 
 
For some reason, this search for "playmakers" is the worst part.  As you
said, we had players on the field with a CHANCE but not the ability.


  _  

From: Ken Kirkley 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 8:33:41 AM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Just to apologize to Scott, I didn't mean to call you out specifically, I am
sorry.  
 
Mullen wasn't exactly a fan favorite and I wasn't necessarily disappointed
that he left.  While Adazzio is a fiery coach that can motivate people, he
seems to be on the same level as Lynn Amadee in the creativity department.
And has been stated in the last two games, we still had players on the field
with the opportunity to make the play and w

Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Scott Lucas]

Come on!  If we were making plays all game we wouldn't be driving for game 
tieing field goals with 2 minutes to go or being blown out by 20+ points!  You 
cannot believe they are making plays all game!!!  Seriously?

Adazzio is the assistant head coach.  He is number 2.  He has been there and 
done that.  If practice is not going smoothly because too many new faces as 
Steve suggests, Adazzio is the fiery, motivational leader that isn't leading?  
He doesn't have some level or responsibility to take charge of that?  Why would 
he sit idlely by and let that happen?  He was there last year, he knows what 
should be done and how.  Is he afraid of stepping on Meyer's toes?  Surely 
Meyer 
sees the disorganization, shouldn't he step in or have his assistant head coach 
take charge?

Something is amiss... and it does start with coaching.  I stated that in an 
earlier post.  I also stated that these highly skilled players didn't just 
start 
sucking.  They are not being coached up correctly.  They didn't suddenly stop 
running fast.  They didn't stop making plays or unlearn how to catch.  They are 
not being put into a position to maximize their ability, and that goes exactly 
in line with what I was saying about designing around your personnel.  All of 
these kids are Meyer recruits.  They should fit or you have a plan to utilize 
their skills, if they don't and you don't, then don't recruit them.  


It seems as if people are afraid to point the finger at Meyer.  They would 
rather pinpoint Adazzio and, while he may be the root of the problem, its up to 
Meyer to fix.  That's why he is paid the big bucks.  I'm glad he is finally 
saying we need a change.  After the previous two losses it was all about 
excuses.  




 




From: Ken Kirkley 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 8:53:17 AM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Except, the spinwheel came out during the 2007 season.  We  lost 4 games that 
year.  And while I will agree that our offense was better that year than this 
(could it be worse?), it was still very predictable and even with two of the 
best all time players Mullen couldn't win more than 9 games.
 
And as far as the players not having the ability, come on, they make plays all 
game long and miss one and they don't have the ability?
 
I am not happy with this teams performance either, but to think it would have 
been okay with Adazzio in another role is whistling past the graveyard.  We 
went 
through tremendous upheaval in our coaching staff this year and if what Steve 
is 
saying is true, the foundation on which the program was built is crumbling. The 
problems we are seeing on the field are systemic and replacing one person will 
not right the ship.

Ken K
MNGator



From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Scott Lucas
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:37 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


It's fine, I authored the initial thread, and I loved that wheel!

My point is, we may not have agreed with Mullen at the time, but it worked.  
What we are doing now is just as predictable and more unimaginative AND doesn't 
necessarily take the skills of our players into account.  You can't say Mullen 
was wrong using Tebow and Harvin like he did... 


For some reason, this search for "playmakers" is the worst part.  As you said, 
we had players on the field with a CHANCE but not the ability.





From: Ken Kirkley 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 8:33:41 AM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Just to apologize to Scott, I didn't mean to call you out specifically, I am 
sorry.  

 
Mullen wasn't exactly a fan favorite and I wasn't necessarily disappointed that 
he left.  While Adazzio is a fiery coach that can motivate people, he seems to 
be on the same level as Lynn Amadee in the creativity department.  And has been 
stated in the last two games, we still had players on the field with the 
opportunity to make the play and win the game, they didn't.  

 
My hope is we can take these next two weeks and make the needed changes and 
salvage something out of this season or this could be a turning point in our 
program.
 
 
Ken K
MNGator



From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Shane Ford
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:26 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Oh, man! I had forgotten about the wheel. I remember printing that out and it 
actually working 2 or 3 plays in a row. 


Shane FordSent from my iPhone 
Go Gators!

On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:19 AM, "Ken Kirkley"  wrote:


Scott,
> 
>Do you remember this??  Mullen was rather predictable too, we have problems 
>from 
>top to bottom right now.  Just wait till next year
> 
>from Scott Lucas  
>

RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Ken Kirkley]

Except, the spinwheel came out during the 2007 season.  We  lost 4 games
that year.  And while I will agree that our offense was better that year
than this (could it be worse?), it was still very predictable and even with
two of the best all time players Mullen couldn't win more than 9 games.
 
And as far as the players not having the ability, come on, they make plays
all game long and miss one and they don't have the ability?
 
I am not happy with this teams performance either, but to think it would
have been okay with Adazzio in another role is whistling past the graveyard.
We went through tremendous upheaval in our coaching staff this year and if
what Steve is saying is true, the foundation on which the program was built
is crumbling. The problems we are seeing on the field are systemic and
replacing one person will not right the ship.
 
Ken K
MNGator

  _  

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Scott Lucas
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:37 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


It's fine, I authored the initial thread, and I loved that wheel!
 
My point is, we may not have agreed with Mullen at the time, but it worked.
What we are doing now is just as predictable and more unimaginative AND
doesn't necessarily take the skills of our players into account.  You can't
say Mullen was wrong using Tebow and Harvin like he did... 
 
For some reason, this search for "playmakers" is the worst part.  As you
said, we had players on the field with a CHANCE but not the ability.


  _  

From: Ken Kirkley 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 8:33:41 AM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Just to apologize to Scott, I didn't mean to call you out specifically, I am
sorry.  
 
Mullen wasn't exactly a fan favorite and I wasn't necessarily disappointed
that he left.  While Adazzio is a fiery coach that can motivate people, he
seems to be on the same level as Lynn Amadee in the creativity department.
And has been stated in the last two games, we still had players on the field
with the opportunity to make the play and win the game, they didn't.  
 
My hope is we can take these next two weeks and make the needed changes and
salvage something out of this season or this could be a turning point in our
program.
 
 
Ken K
MNGator

  _  

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Shane Ford
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:26 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Oh, man! I had forgotten about the wheel. I remember printing that out and
it actually working 2 or 3 plays in a row. 


Shane Ford
Sent from my iPhone 
Go Gators!

On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:19 AM, "Ken Kirkley"  wrote:



Scott,
 
Do you remember this??  Mullen was rather predictable too, we have problems
from top to bottom right now.  Just wait till next year
 


from    Scott Lucas
   
reply-to   
Gatortalk@googlegroups.com

to 
gatortalk@googlegroups.com

date    Tue, Oct 2,
2007 at 7:26 PM 
subject [gatortalk]
Dan Mullen's Playbook   
mailing list   
http://gatortalk.googlegroups.com/> >  
  

 

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From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:05 AM
To:   gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Scott Lucas  wrote:



30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his
opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  


That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...




He was playing on a knife edge.

Had the roles been reversed and either;

The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker didn't
miss a field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT loss, ou

Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Scott Lucas]

Hindsight is 20/20.  We didn't realize we had it good then.  We thought someone 
could do better.  Well, we have that someone.  They are not doing better.  They 
are doing far worse and not even working to the strengths of the quarterback.  
THAT is a huge problem.  That was the promise Meyer made all of us when we came 
here.  There is no "system".  We play to the strengths of the players we have. 
The system is designed around the players we have... blah blah blah.  That 
fundamental part of the philosophy is gone... 






From: Ken Kirkley 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 8:35:03 AM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


If that's what we needed to do to win, then why were you mocking it at the 
time?  Come on, can't have it both ways.

Ken K
MNGator



From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Scott Lucas
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:32 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Yeah, I remeber that... but you know something?  That's what we needed to do to 
win, and we DID it!  


What do you think we need to do to win this year, and are we doing it?

I couldn't care less about predictable.  A win is a win.  Run it 30 times if 
you 
have to.  Just about everyone on this list would rather have had a win the 
other 
night with 30 straight runs.





From: Ken Kirkley 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 8:19:34 AM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Scott,
 
Do you remember this??  Mullen was rather predictable too, we have problems 
from 
top to bottom right now.  Just wait till next year
 
from Scott Lucas  
reply-to Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
 
to gatortalk@googlegroups.com
 
date Tue, Oct 2, 2007 at 7:26 PM 
subject [gatortalk] Dan Mullen's Playbook 
mailing list      
Aha! I found the problem!


 
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From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:05 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Scott Lucas  wrote:

30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his 
opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  

>
>
>That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...
>
>
>
He was playing on a knife edge.

Had the roles been reversed and either;

The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker didn't miss a 
field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT loss, our coaches would 
have been crucified for employing that same strategy.

How do I know? because they were attacked for not winning "attractively enough" 
- this year.

I'm sure Mullen was glad to get the win - as he should be, but you know very 
well that a lot of the same criticisms leveled at Addazio these days were 
directed at Mullen during his time at UF. 


Not that I'm letting our coaching staff off of the hook. I heard something last 
night that I found very disconcerting, if true, but it would explain a lot of 
what we've been seeing with the team this year.

We all know about Meyer's "re-invention" after his health issues caused his 
temporary retirement. Apparently that is still very much a work in progress. I 
read that he has delegated so much of his former duties that practices are said 
to be very disorganized - something that is the polar opposite of how they were 
when he was paying attention to every little detail.

Considering the number of new staff members that weren't around to see how 
we've 
done it before I could see how that could spiral out of control in a hurry.

The big question/debate seems to be this;

If Meyer remains the head coach will we continue to do things this way, or 
can/will he see that drastic measures need to be taken, and can/will he be able 
to make the needed corrections?

Some of the message boards resemble the Zook era - there are some who are 
convinced that he must go NOW, some who blindly refuse to question him due to 
his resume here (until recently I was in this group), and some who feel that 
said body of work should buy him at least a season of adjustment (this year) to 
see if in fact he's willing and able to take the steps neccessary to right the 
ship, or if seeing that doing things this way isn't good enough, will once 
again 
retire (where I stand now).

Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Scott Lucas]

It's fine, I authored the initial thread, and I loved that wheel!

My point is, we may not have agreed with Mullen at the time, but it worked.  
What we are doing now is just as predictable and more unimaginative AND doesn't 
necessarily take the skills of our players into account.  You can't say Mullen 
was wrong using Tebow and Harvin like he did... 


For some reason, this search for "playmakers" is the worst part.  As you said, 
we had players on the field with a CHANCE but not the ability.





From: Ken Kirkley 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 8:33:41 AM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Just to apologize to Scott, I didn't mean to call you out specifically, I am 
sorry.  

 
Mullen wasn't exactly a fan favorite and I wasn't necessarily disappointed that 
he left.  While Adazzio is a fiery coach that can motivate people, he seems to 
be on the same level as Lynn Amadee in the creativity department.  And has been 
stated in the last two games, we still had players on the field with the 
opportunity to make the play and win the game, they didn't.  

 
My hope is we can take these next two weeks and make the needed changes and 
salvage something out of this season or this could be a turning point in our 
program.
 
 
Ken K
MNGator



From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Shane Ford
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:26 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Oh, man! I had forgotten about the wheel. I remember printing that out and it 
actually working 2 or 3 plays in a row. 


Shane FordSent from my iPhone 
Go Gators!

On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:19 AM, "Ken Kirkley"  wrote:


Scott,
> 
>Do you remember this??  Mullen was rather predictable too, we have problems 
>from 
>top to bottom right now.  Just wait till next year
> 
>from Scott Lucas  
>reply-to Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> 
>to gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> 
>date Tue, Oct 2, 2007 at 7:26 PM 
>subject [gatortalk] Dan Mullen's Playbook 
>mailing list      
>Aha! I found the problem!
>
>
> 
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>     GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
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>2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
>                                       www.gatornet.us
>-~--~~~~-- ~~--~--~---
>
>
>Ken K
>MN Gator
>
>

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Steve McKibben
>Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:05 AM
>To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
>
>
>Scott Lucas  wrote:
>
>30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his 
>opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  
>
>>
>>
>>That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...
>>
>>
>>
He was playing on a knife edge.

Had the roles been reversed and either;

The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker didn't miss a 
field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT loss, our coaches would 
have been crucified for employing that same strategy.

How do I know? because they were attacked for not winning "attractively enough" 
- this year.

I'm sure Mullen was glad to get the win - as he should be, but you know very 
well that a lot of the same criticisms leveled at Addazio these days were 
directed at Mullen during his time at UF. 


Not that I'm letting our coaching staff off of the hook. I heard something last 
night that I found very disconcerting, if true, but it would explain a lot of 
what we've been seeing with the team this year.

We all know about Meyer's "re-invention" after his health issues caused his 
temporary retirement. Apparently that is still very much a work in progress. I 
read that he has delegated so much of his former duties that practices are said 
to be very disorganized - something that is the polar opposite of how they were 
when he was paying attention to every little detail.

Considering the number of new staff members that weren't around to see how 
we've 
done it before I could see how that could spiral out of control in a hurry.

The big question/debate seems to be this;

If Meyer remains the head coach will we continue to do things this way, or 
can/will he see that drastic measures need to be taken, and can/will he be able 
to make the needed corrections?

Some of the message boards resemble the Zook era - there are some who are 
convinced that he must go NOW, some who blindly refuse to question him due to 
his resume here (until recently I was in this group), and some who feel that 
said body of work should buy him at least a season of adju

RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Ken Kirkley]

If that's what we needed to do to win, then why were you mocking it at the
time?  Come on, can't have it both ways.
 
Ken K
MNGator

  _  

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Scott Lucas
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:32 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Yeah, I remeber that... but you know something?  That's what we needed to do
to win, and we DID it!  

What do you think we need to do to win this year, and are we doing it?
 
I couldn't care less about predictable.  A win is a win.  Run it 30 times if
you have to.  Just about everyone on this list would rather have had a win
the other night with 30 straight runs.


  _  

From: Ken Kirkley 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 8:19:34 AM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Scott,
 
Do you remember this??  Mullen was rather predictable too, we have problems
from top to bottom right now.  Just wait till next year
 

from    Scott Lucas
   
reply-to   
Gatortalk@googlegroups.com

to 
gatortalk@googlegroups.com

date    Tue, Oct 2,
2007 at 7:26 PM 
subject [gatortalk]
Dan Mullen's Playbook   
mailing list   
http://gatortalk.googlegroups.com/> >  
  

 

Aha! I found the problem!
 
 

 
--~--~-~--~~-- --~---~--~~
 GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
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   www.gatornet.us
 
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MN Gator

  _  

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:05 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Scott Lucas  wrote:



30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his
opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  


That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...




He was playing on a knife edge.

Had the roles been reversed and either;

The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker didn't
miss a field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT loss, our
coaches would have been crucified for employing that same strategy.

How do I know? because they were attacked for not winning "attractively
enough" - this year.

I'm sure Mullen was glad to get the win - as he should be, but you know very
well that a lot of the same criticisms leveled at Addazio these days were
directed at Mullen during his time at UF. 

Not that I'm letting our coaching staff off of the hook. I heard something
last night that I found very disconcerting, if true, but it would explain a
lot of what we've been seeing with the team this year.

We all know about Meyer's "re-invention" after his health issues caused his
temporary retirement. Apparently that is still very much a work in progress.
I read that he has delegated so much of his former duties that practices are
said to be very disorganized - something that is the polar opposite of how
they were when he was paying attention to every little detail.

Considering the number of new staff members that weren't around to see how
we've done it before I could see how that could spiral out of control in a
hurry.

The big question/debate seems to be this;

If Meyer remains the head coach will we continue to do things this way, or
can/will he see that drastic measures need to be taken, and can/will he be
able to make the needed corrections?

Some of the message boards resemble the Zook era - there are some who are
convinced that he must go NOW, some who blindly refuse to question him due
to his resume here (until recently I was in this group), and some who feel
that said body of work should buy him at least a season of adjustment (this
year) to see if in fact he's willing and able to take the steps neccessary
to right the ship, or if seeing that doing things this way isn't good
enough, will once again retire (where I stand now).

Steve


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GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
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RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Ken Kirkley]

Just to apologize to Scott, I didn't mean to call you out specifically, I am
sorry.  
 
Mullen wasn't exactly a fan favorite and I wasn't necessarily disappointed
that he left.  While Adazzio is a fiery coach that can motivate people, he
seems to be on the same level as Lynn Amadee in the creativity department.
And has been stated in the last two games, we still had players on the field
with the opportunity to make the play and win the game, they didn't.  
 
My hope is we can take these next two weeks and make the needed changes and
salvage something out of this season or this could be a turning point in our
program.
 
 
Ken K
MNGator

  _  

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Shane Ford
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:26 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Oh, man! I had forgotten about the wheel. I remember printing that out and
it actually working 2 or 3 plays in a row. 


Shane Ford
Sent from my iPhone 
Go Gators!

On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:19 AM, "Ken Kirkley"  wrote:



Scott,
 
Do you remember this??  Mullen was rather predictable too, we have problems
from top to bottom right now.  Just wait till next year
 


from    Scott Lucas
   
reply-to   
Gatortalk@googlegroups.com

to 
gatortalk@googlegroups.com

date    Tue, Oct 2,
2007 at 7:26 PM 
subject [gatortalk]
Dan Mullen's Playbook   
mailing list   

  

 

Aha! I found the problem!
 
 

 
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  _  

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:05 AM
To:   gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Scott Lucas  wrote:



30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his
opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  


That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...




He was playing on a knife edge.

Had the roles been reversed and either;

The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker didn't
miss a field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT loss, our
coaches would have been crucified for employing that same strategy.

How do I know? because they were attacked for not winning "attractively
enough" - this year.

I'm sure Mullen was glad to get the win - as he should be, but you know very
well that a lot of the same criticisms leveled at Addazio these days were
directed at Mullen during his time at UF. 

Not that I'm letting our coaching staff off of the hook. I heard something
last night that I found very disconcerting, if true, but it would explain a
lot of what we've been seeing with the team this year.

We all know about Meyer's "re-invention" after his health issues caused his
temporary retirement. Apparently that is still very much a work in progress.
I read that he has delegated so much of his former duties that practices are
said to be very disorganized - something that is the polar opposite of how
they were when he was paying attention to every little detail.

Considering the number of new staff members that weren't around to see how
we've done it before I could see how that could spiral out of control in a
hurry.

The big question/debate seems to be this;

If Meyer remains the head coach will we continue to do things this way, or
can/will he see that drastic measures need to be taken, and can/will he be
able to make the needed corrections?

Some of the message boards resemble the Zook era - there are some who are
convinced that he must go NOW, some who blindly refuse to question him due
to his resume here (until recently I was in this group), and some who feel
that said body of work should buy him at least a season of adjustment (this
year) to see if in fact he's willing and able to take the steps neccessary
to right the ship, or if seeing that doing things this way isn't good
enough, will once again retir

Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Scott Lucas]

We had not made ANY of those plays all seasons.  Call it what you want, Mullen 
played the odds, and they were in his favor.  It worked.  You can't argue 
against that...

 




From: Shane Ford 
To: "gatortalk@googlegroups.com" 
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 8:21:51 AM
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

As Steve pointed out - it almost didn't work for Mullen Saturday night. We had 
several opportunities to tie it or even win. This team to me is lacking the 
fire 
to win that Meyer coaches teams used to show.  


Shane Ford
Sent from my iPhone
Go Gators!

On Oct 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM, "Charlie"  wrote:

> He played "not to lose" We used to have a coach around here named Doug
> Dickey that made that saying famous or infamous. That strategy worked for
> Mullen last Saturday but it won't work very often imo. 
> Charlie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Scott Lucas
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 1:41 AM
> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
> 
> 30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his
> opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  
> 
> That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...
> 
> 
> 
> "Charlie"  wrote:
> 
>> We've already got a Mullen and his name is Meyer/Adazzio. I personally 
>> don't want anybody who calls 30-some straight running plays. I don't 
>> mind playing a bit conservatively when you've got a lead but no Woody Hays
> please.
>> 
>> _
>> 
>> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Jerry Belloit
>> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:04 PM
>> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Stacey and others,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I know right now that there is a growing envy of Mullen.  However, it 
>> may well be that Meyer compliments Mullen in a way that Mullen cannot 
>> do for himself.  According to several articles on Mullen and Meyer that 
>> I have read lately, Mullen has a somewhat abrasive personality.  When 
>> Tim Tebow was recruited, Meyer had to overcome the negative view Tim had
> about Mullen.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The question is how would the Gators have been if Mullen had not left 
>> Florida.  That is a fair question.  Would the Gators have gone 
>> undefeated last year with Mullen?  I am not convinced yet.  Would our 
>> record have been better this year?  Perhaps.  I personally believe that 
>> the biggest problem Addazio has is having to do the offensive 
>> coordinator's job as well as the assistant head coach and offensive 
>> line coach.  Perhaps we should promote one of our other coaches to 
>> offensive coordinator.  The rumor was that 
>>  Zach Azzanni coached the
> Sugar Bowl Game.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Stacey Hartley-McBride
>> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 8:11 PM
>> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Scott, were you a fly on the wall at our Gator viewing party up here in 
>> Washington?  All these observations were made while, of course, 
>> imbibing good Washington reds.  I am going to need to re-stock our 
>> cellar handsomely if our beloved Gators continue to play the way they
> played last night!
>> 
>> On to looking for those Gator sales...
>> 
>> Stacey
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "They say statistics are for losers, but losers are usually the ones 
>> thinking that," Meyer said. "Statistics are great."
>> 
>>   GATORS 
>> RULE!!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _
>> 
>> From: Scott Lucas 
>> To: Gator Talk 
>> Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 8:16:38 AM
>> Subject: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
>> 
>> Let me preface this by saying some of you may not like this:  We have 
>> not been very good since Dan Mullen left, and HE may be the reason for 
>> Urban's success at Florida and previously.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Let that sink in.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Without Dan, Florida's offense is lifeless.  A shell of its former self.
>> Former?  Yes, former... as in when Mullen was here calling the shots.  
>> Oh sure, Adazzio had a great offense against Cincinnati.  Whoopie!  It 
>> was
>> Cincinnati-- hardly a perennial power, not from a powerhouse 
>> conference, and they got exactly what any middle of the road SEC would 
>> give them.  That is Adazzio's best game.  A game in which he had 3 
>> weeks to prepare.  He has not accomplished anything real other than that.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As for Dan, why is he the key to UM's success?  He makes his offense 
>> work with what he has.  He inherited Chris Leak, the offense was 
>> modified, and we won with him.  Won it all.  We had our Tebow years, 
>> modified the offense, 

Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Scott Lucas]

Yeah, I remeber that... but you know something?  That's what we needed to do to 
win, and we DID it!  


What do you think we need to do to win this year, and are we doing it?

I couldn't care less about predictable.  A win is a win.  Run it 30 times if 
you 
have to.  Just about everyone on this list would rather have had a win the 
other 
night with 30 straight runs.





From: Ken Kirkley 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 8:19:34 AM
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Scott,
 
Do you remember this??  Mullen was rather predictable too, we have problems 
from 
top to bottom right now.  Just wait till next year
 
from Scott Lucas  
reply-to Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
 
to gatortalk@googlegroups.com
 
date Tue, Oct 2, 2007 at 7:26 PM 
subject [gatortalk] Dan Mullen's Playbook 
mailing list      
Aha! I found the problem!


 
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From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:05 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Scott Lucas  wrote:

30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his 
opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  

>
>
>That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...
>
>
>
He was playing on a knife edge.

Had the roles been reversed and either;

The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker didn't miss a 
field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT loss, our coaches would 
have been crucified for employing that same strategy.

How do I know? because they were attacked for not winning "attractively enough" 
- this year.

I'm sure Mullen was glad to get the win - as he should be, but you know very 
well that a lot of the same criticisms leveled at Addazio these days were 
directed at Mullen during his time at UF. 


Not that I'm letting our coaching staff off of the hook. I heard something last 
night that I found very disconcerting, if true, but it would explain a lot of 
what we've been seeing with the team this year.

We all know about Meyer's "re-invention" after his health issues caused his 
temporary retirement. Apparently that is still very much a work in progress. I 
read that he has delegated so much of his former duties that practices are said 
to be very disorganized - something that is the polar opposite of how they were 
when he was paying attention to every little detail.

Considering the number of new staff members that weren't around to see how 
we've 
done it before I could see how that could spiral out of control in a hurry.

The big question/debate seems to be this;

If Meyer remains the head coach will we continue to do things this way, or 
can/will he see that drastic measures need to be taken, and can/will he be able 
to make the needed corrections?

Some of the message boards resemble the Zook era - there are some who are 
convinced that he must go NOW, some who blindly refuse to question him due to 
his resume here (until recently I was in this group), and some who feel that 
said body of work should buy him at least a season of adjustment (this year) to 
see if in fact he's willing and able to take the steps neccessary to right the 
ship, or if seeing that doing things this way isn't good enough, will once 
again 
retire (where I stand now).

Steve
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Tim Tebow (2007) 

Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Shane Ford]

Oh, man! I had forgotten about the wheel. I remember printing that out and it 
actually working 2 or 3 plays in a row. 

Shane Ford
Sent from my iPhone
Go Gators!

On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:19 AM, "Ken Kirkley"  wrote:

> Scott,
>  
> Do you remember this??  Mullen was rather predictable too, we have problems 
> from top to bottom right now.  Just wait till next year
>  
> from  Scott Lucas 
> reply-to  Gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> togatortalk@googlegroups.com
> date  Tue, Oct 2, 2007 at 7:26 PM
> subject   [gatortalk] Dan Mullen's Playbook
> mailing list  
> 
>  
> Aha! I found the problem!
> 
> 
>  
> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
>  GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
> 1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
> 2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
>www.gatornet.us
> -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
> 
> Ken K
> MN Gator
> 
> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Steve McKibben
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:05 AM
> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
> 
> Scott Lucas  wrote:
> 30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his 
> opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  
> 
> That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...
> 
> 
> He was playing on a knife edge.
> 
> Had the roles been reversed and either;
> 
> The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker didn't miss 
> a field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT loss, our coaches 
> would have been crucified for employing that same strategy.
> 
> How do I know? because they were attacked for not winning "attractively 
> enough" - this year.
> 
> I'm sure Mullen was glad to get the win - as he should be, but you know very 
> well that a lot of the same criticisms leveled at Addazio these days were 
> directed at Mullen during his time at UF. 
> 
> Not that I'm letting our coaching staff off of the hook. I heard something 
> last night that I found very disconcerting, if true, but it would explain a 
> lot of what we've been seeing with the team this year.
> 
> We all know about Meyer's "re-invention" after his health issues caused his 
> temporary retirement. Apparently that is still very much a work in progress. 
> I read that he has delegated so much of his former duties that practices are 
> said to be very disorganized - something that is the polar opposite of how 
> they were when he was paying attention to every little detail.
> 
> Considering the number of new staff members that weren't around to see how 
> we've done it before I could see how that could spiral out of control in a 
> hurry.
> 
> The big question/debate seems to be this;
> 
> If Meyer remains the head coach will we continue to do things this way, or 
> can/will he see that drastic measures need to be taken, and can/will he be 
> able to make the needed corrections?
> 
> Some of the message boards resemble the Zook era - there are some who are 
> convinced that he must go NOW, some who blindly refuse to question him due to 
> his resume here (until recently I was in this group), and some who feel that 
> said body of work should buy him at least a season of adjustment (this year) 
> to see if in fact he's willing and able to take the steps neccessary to right 
> the ship, or if seeing that doing things this way isn't good enough, will 
> once again retire (where I stand now).
> 
> Steve
> -- 
> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
> 2008 National Football Champions | 
> Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
> Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
> -- 
> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
> 2008 National Football Champions | 
> Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
> Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

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Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Shane Ford]

I propose to rename it "I miss Coach Meyer from 2006-2009".  I don't like what 
we are seeing from the new, reformed version. 

Shane Ford
Sent from my iPhone
Go Gators!

On Oct 18, 2010, at 7:17 AM, "Randy Lyons"  wrote:

> In light of Steve’s post about Meyer’s health, I suggest renaming this thread 
> to “I miss Steve Spurrier”. J
> 
>  
> 
> Randy
> 
>  
> 
> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Steve McKibben
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:05 AM
> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
> 
>  
> 
> Scott Lucas  wrote:
> 
> 30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his 
> opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win? 
> 
> 
> That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...
> 
> 
> He was playing on a knife edge.
> 
> Had the roles been reversed and either;
> 
> The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker didn't miss 
> a field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT loss, our coaches 
> would have been crucified for employing that same strategy.
> 
> How do I know? because they were attacked for not winning "attractively 
> enough" - this year.
> 
> I'm sure Mullen was glad to get the win - as he should be, but you know very  
>  well that a lot of the same criticisms leveled at Addazio these days were 
> directed at Mullen during his time at UF. 
> 
> Not that I'm letting our coaching staff off of the hook. I heard something 
> last night that I found very disconcerting, if true, but it would explain a 
> lot of what we've been seeing with the team this year.
> 
> We all know about Meyer's "re-invention" after his health issues caused his 
> temporary retirement. Apparently that is still very much a work in progress. 
> I read that he has delegated so much of his former duties that practices are 
> said to be very disorganized - something that is the polar opposite of how 
> they were when he was paying attention to every little detail.
> 
> Considering the number of new staff members that weren't around to see how   
> we've done it before I could see how that could spiral out of control in a 
> hurry.
> 
> The big question/debate seems to be this;
> 
> If Meyer remains the head coach will we continue to do things this way, or 
> can/will he see that drastic measures need to be taken, and can/will he be 
> able to make the needed corrections?
> 
> Some of the message boards resemble the Zook era - there are some who are 
> convinced that he must go NOW, some who blindly refuse to question him due to 
> his resume here (until recently I was in this group), and some who feel that 
> said body of work should buy him at least a season of adjustment (this year) 
> to see if in fact he's willing and able to take the steps neccessary to right 
> the ship, or if seeing that doing things this way isn't good enough, will   
> once again retire (where I stand now).
> 
> Steve
> 
> -- 
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> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
> 2008 National Football Champions | 
> Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
> Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
> 
> -- 
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> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
> 2008 National Football Champions | 
> Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
> Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

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Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Shane Ford]

As Steve pointed out - it almost didn't work for Mullen Saturday night. We had 
several opportunities to tie it or even win. This team to me is lacking the 
fire to win that Meyer coaches teams used to show.  

Shane Ford
Sent from my iPhone
Go Gators!

On Oct 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM, "Charlie"  wrote:

> He played "not to lose" We used to have a coach around here named Doug
> Dickey that made that saying famous or infamous. That strategy worked for
> Mullen last Saturday but it won't work very often imo. 
> Charlie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Scott Lucas
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 1:41 AM
> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
> 
> 30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his
> opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  
> 
> That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...
> 
> 
> 
> "Charlie"  wrote:
> 
>> We've already got a Mullen and his name is Meyer/Adazzio. I personally 
>> don't want anybody who calls 30-some straight running plays. I don't 
>> mind playing a bit conservatively when you've got a lead but no Woody Hays
> please.
>> 
>> _
>> 
>> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Jerry Belloit
>> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:04 PM
>> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Stacey and others,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I know right now that there is a growing envy of Mullen.  However, it 
>> may well be that Meyer compliments Mullen in a way that Mullen cannot 
>> do for himself.  According to several articles on Mullen and Meyer that 
>> I have read lately, Mullen has a somewhat abrasive personality.  When 
>> Tim Tebow was recruited, Meyer had to overcome the negative view Tim had
> about Mullen.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The question is how would the Gators have been if Mullen had not left 
>> Florida.  That is a fair question.  Would the Gators have gone 
>> undefeated last year with Mullen?  I am not convinced yet.  Would our 
>> record have been better this year?  Perhaps.  I personally believe that 
>> the biggest problem Addazio has is having to do the offensive 
>> coordinator's job as well as the assistant head coach and offensive 
>> line coach.  Perhaps we should promote one of our other coaches to 
>> offensive coordinator.  The rumor was that 
>>  Zach Azzanni coached the
> Sugar Bowl Game.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Stacey Hartley-McBride
>> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 8:11 PM
>> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Scott, were you a fly on the wall at our Gator viewing party up here in 
>> Washington?  All these observations were made while, of course, 
>> imbibing good Washington reds.  I am going to need to re-stock our 
>> cellar handsomely if our beloved Gators continue to play the way they
> played last night!
>> 
>> On to looking for those Gator sales...
>> 
>> Stacey
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "They say statistics are for losers, but losers are usually the ones 
>> thinking that," Meyer said. "Statistics are great."
>> 
>>   GATORS 
>> RULE!!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _
>> 
>> From: Scott Lucas 
>> To: Gator Talk 
>> Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 8:16:38 AM
>> Subject: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
>> 
>> Let me preface this by saying some of you may not like this:  We have 
>> not been very good since Dan Mullen left, and HE may be the reason for 
>> Urban's success at Florida and previously.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Let that sink in.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Without Dan, Florida's offense is lifeless.  A shell of its former self.
>> Former?  Yes, former... as in when Mullen was here calling the shots.  
>> Oh sure, Adazzio had a great offense against Cincinnati.  Whoopie!  It 
>> was
>> Cincinnati-- hardly a perennial power, not from a powerhouse 
>> conference, and they got exactly what any middle of the road SEC would 
>> give them.  That is Adazzio's best game.  A game in which he had 3 
>> weeks to prepare.  He has not accomplished anything real other than that.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As for Dan, why is he the key to UM's success?  He makes his offense 
>> work with what he has.  He inherited Chris Leak, the offense was 
>> modified, and we won with him.  Won it all.  We had our Tebow years, 
>> modified the offense, and we won with him.  Mullen leaves, we have a 
>> Leak clone, we don't modify and we are losing horribly.  But what has 
>> Dan done?  He went to an underachieving school.  Looked at what he had, he
> modified and is winning.
>> He took a perennial cellar dweller and is making it work, with someone 
>> else's recruits because a good carpenter c

Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Shane Ford]

Yeah, I'm afraid our coach burned out last year and may never be the same 
again. I'll bet he retires again after this season or next. Watching him on the 
sidelines, he's not having any fun.

To answer your other question - I would believe that Foley gives him this year 
and next as a professional acknowledgement of what Meyer has done. Meyer will 
retire before he gets fired. This day and age a coach will never get the 
patience that used to be shown to the proven winners. It's unfortunate to!

Shane Ford
Sent from my iPhone
Go Gators!

On Oct 18, 2010, at 6:04 AM, Steve McKibben  wrote:

> Scott Lucas  wrote:
> 30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his 
> opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  
> 
> That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...
> 
> 
> He was playing on a knife edge.
> 
> Had the roles been reversed and either;
> 
> The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker didn't miss 
> a field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT loss, our coaches 
> would have been crucified for employing that same strategy.
> 
> How do I know? because they were attacked for not winning "attractively 
> enough" - this year.
> 
> I'm sure Mullen was glad to get the win - as he should be, but you know very 
> well that a lot of the same criticisms leveled at Addazio these days were 
> directed at Mullen during his time at UF. 
> 
> Not that I'm letting our coaching staff off of the hook. I heard something 
> last night that I found very disconcerting, if true, but it would explain a 
> lot of what we've been seeing with the team this year.
> 
> We all know about Meyer's "re-invention" after his health issues caused his 
> temporary retirement. Apparently that is still very much a work in progress. 
> I read that he has delegated so much of his former duties that practices are 
> said to be very disorganized - something that is the polar opposite of how 
> they were when he was paying attention to every little detail.
> 
> Considering the number of new staff members that weren't around to see how 
> we've done it before I could see how that could spiral out of control in a 
> hurry.
> 
> The big question/debate seems to be this;
> 
> If Meyer remains the head coach will we continue to do things this way, or 
> can/will he see that drastic measures need to be taken, and can/will he be 
> able to make the needed corrections?
> 
> Some of the message boards resemble the Zook era - there are some who are 
> convinced that he must go NOW, some who blindly refuse to question him due to 
> his resume here (until recently I was in this group), and some who feel that 
> said body of work should buy him at least a season of adjustment (this year) 
> to see if in fact he's willing and able to take the steps neccessary to right 
> the ship, or if seeing that doing things this way isn't good enough, will 
> once again retire (where I stand now).
> 
> Steve
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RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Ken Kirkley]

Scott,
 
Do you remember this??  Mullen was rather predictable too, we have problems
from top to bottom right now.  Just wait till next year
 

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From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 6:05 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen


Scott Lucas  wrote:



30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his
opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  


That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...




He was playing on a knife edge.

Had the roles been reversed and either;

The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker didn't
miss a field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT loss, our
coaches would have been crucified for employing that same strategy.

How do I know? because they were attacked for not winning "attractively
enough" - this year.

I'm sure Mullen was glad to get the win - as he should be, but you know very
well that a lot of the same criticisms leveled at Addazio these days were
directed at Mullen during his time at UF. 

Not that I'm letting our coaching staff off of the hook. I heard something
last night that I found very disconcerting, if true, but it would explain a
lot of what we've been seeing with the team this year.

We all know about Meyer's "re-invention" after his health issues caused his
temporary retirement. Apparently that is still very much a work in progress.
I read that he has delegated so much of his former duties that practices are
said to be very disorganized - something that is the polar opposite of how
they were when he was paying attention to every little detail.

Considering the number of new staff members that weren't around to see how
we've done it before I could see how that could spiral out of control in a
hurry.

The big question/debate seems to be this;

If Meyer remains the head coach will we continue to do things this way, or
can/will he see that drastic measures need to be taken, and can/will he be
able to make the needed corrections?

Some of the message boards resemble the Zook era - there are some who are
convinced that he must go NOW, some who blindly refuse to question him due
to his resume here (until recently I was in this group), and some who feel
that said body of work should buy him at least a season of adjustment (this
year) to see if in fact he's willing and able to take the steps neccessary
to right the ship, or if seeing that doing things this way isn't good
enough, will once again retire (where I stand now).

Steve


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RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Randy Lyons]

In light of Steve's post about Meyer's health, I suggest renaming this
thread to "I miss Steve Spurrier". J
 
Randy
 
From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:05 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
 

Scott Lucas  wrote:
30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his
opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  

That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...

He was playing on a knife edge.

Had the roles been reversed and either;

The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker didn't
miss a field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT loss, our
coaches would have been crucified for employing that same strategy.

How do I know? because they were attacked for not winning "attractively
enough" - this year.

I'm sure Mullen was glad to get the win - as he should be, but you know very
well that a lot of the same criticisms leveled at Addazio these days were
directed at Mullen during his time at UF. 

Not that I'm letting our coaching staff off of the hook. I heard something
last night that I found very disconcerting, if true, but it would explain a
lot of what we've been seeing with the team this year.

We all know about Meyer's "re-invention" after his health issues caused his
temporary retirement. Apparently that is still very much a work in progress.
I read that he has delegated so much of his former duties that practices are
said to be very disorganized - something that is the polar opposite of how
they were when he was paying attention to every little detail.

Considering the number of new staff members that weren't around to see how
we've done it before I could see how that could spiral out of control in a
hurry.

The big question/debate seems to be this;

If Meyer remains the head coach will we continue to do things this way, or
can/will he see that drastic measures need to be taken, and can/will he be
able to make the needed corrections?

Some of the message boards resemble the Zook era - there are some who are
convinced that he must go NOW, some who blindly refuse to question him due
to his resume here (until recently I was in this group), and some who feel
that said body of work should buy him at least a season of adjustment (this
year) to see if in fact he's willing and able to take the steps neccessary
to right the ship, or if seeing that doing things this way isn't good
enough, will once again retire (where I stand now).

Steve
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Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Shane Ford]

Yeah, you knuckle-dragger! ;-) Is this season ever going to end?

Shane Ford
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Go Gators!

On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:55 AM, "Randy Lyons"  wrote:

> HEY! Don’t blame me you’re getting senile! The LAST thing I need is for MARY 
> to be mad at me! J
> 
>  
> 
> Randy
> 
>  
> 
> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Arthur Polhill
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 12:55 AM
> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
> 
>  
> 
> Mary, I apologize for calling you Cee a moment ago.  (blush) Randoo made me 
> do it.
>  
> 
> A. Leon Polhill, Gator
> "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
> I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Mary Weigly 
> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 10:55:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
> 
> Thanks for the thorough analysis, Scott.  I don't buy your assessment of 
> Mullen, but you make some really good points.  In fact, I've recently been 
> remembering how stubborn SOS was when his game plan wasn't working and he 
> would still insist on running it.  I'm sure most of us, here, remember how 
> long it took for him to adopt a shotgun snap -- and how frustrated we all 
> were that he wouldn't do it.
> 
>  
> 
> I hate throwing Adazzio under the bus, especially when he has been asked to 
> do so much in Urban's stead, but he clearly is not doing the job (I should 
> say "jobs" because he is doing more than one).  The question I ask myself is 
> this:  If we needed to hire an OC, would we consider Adazzio?  That answer 
> has to be "no."  Our play-calling is predictable, ineffective, and often 
> incomprehensible.  I happen to believe that many of the bad plays are due to 
> JB panicking and checking down, but there is just no way to know. 
> 
>  
> 
> I appreciate you sharing your analysis.  Again, you make good points.  One 
> thing we can all agree on is that our team is getting worse instead of 
> better, and that changes need to be made.
> 
>  
> 
> Mary
> 
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RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Charlie]

He played "not to lose" We used to have a coach around here named Doug
Dickey that made that saying famous or infamous. That strategy worked for
Mullen last Saturday but it won't work very often imo. 
Charlie

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From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Scott Lucas
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 1:41 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his
opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  

That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...



"Charlie"  wrote:

>We've already got a Mullen and his name is Meyer/Adazzio. I personally 
>don't want anybody who calls 30-some straight running plays. I don't 
>mind playing a bit conservatively when you've got a lead but no Woody Hays
please.
>
>  _
>
>From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
>Behalf Of Jerry Belloit
>Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:04 PM
>To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
>
>
>
>Stacey and others,
>
> 
>
>I know right now that there is a growing envy of Mullen.  However, it 
>may well be that Meyer compliments Mullen in a way that Mullen cannot 
>do for himself.  According to several articles on Mullen and Meyer that 
>I have read lately, Mullen has a somewhat abrasive personality.  When 
>Tim Tebow was recruited, Meyer had to overcome the negative view Tim had
about Mullen.
>
> 
>
>The question is how would the Gators have been if Mullen had not left 
>Florida.  That is a fair question.  Would the Gators have gone 
>undefeated last year with Mullen?  I am not convinced yet.  Would our 
>record have been better this year?  Perhaps.  I personally believe that 
>the biggest problem Addazio has is having to do the offensive 
>coordinator's job as well as the assistant head coach and offensive 
>line coach.  Perhaps we should promote one of our other coaches to 
>offensive coordinator.  The rumor was that 
> Zach Azzanni coached the
Sugar Bowl Game.
>
> 
>
>Jerry
>
> 
>
>From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
>Behalf Of Stacey Hartley-McBride
>Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 8:11 PM
>To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
>
> 
>
>Scott, were you a fly on the wall at our Gator viewing party up here in 
>Washington?  All these observations were made while, of course, 
>imbibing good Washington reds.  I am going to need to re-stock our 
>cellar handsomely if our beloved Gators continue to play the way they
played last night!
>
>On to looking for those Gator sales...
>
>Stacey
>
> 
>
>"They say statistics are for losers, but losers are usually the ones 
>thinking that," Meyer said. "Statistics are great."
>
>    GATORS 
>RULE!!!
>
> 
>
> 
>
>  _
>
>From: Scott Lucas 
>To: Gator Talk 
>Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 8:16:38 AM
>Subject: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
>
>Let me preface this by saying some of you may not like this:  We have 
>not been very good since Dan Mullen left, and HE may be the reason for 
>Urban's success at Florida and previously.
>
> 
>
>Let that sink in.
>
> 
>
>Without Dan, Florida's offense is lifeless.  A shell of its former self.
>Former?  Yes, former... as in when Mullen was here calling the shots.  
>Oh sure, Adazzio had a great offense against Cincinnati.  Whoopie!  It 
>was
>Cincinnati-- hardly a perennial power, not from a powerhouse 
>conference, and they got exactly what any middle of the road SEC would 
>give them.  That is Adazzio's best game.  A game in which he had 3 
>weeks to prepare.  He has not accomplished anything real other than that.
>
> 
>
>As for Dan, why is he the key to UM's success?  He makes his offense 
>work with what he has.  He inherited Chris Leak, the offense was 
>modified, and we won with him.  Won it all.  We had our Tebow years, 
>modified the offense, and we won with him.  Mullen leaves, we have a 
>Leak clone, we don't modify and we are losing horribly.  But what has 
>Dan done?  He went to an underachieving school.  Looked at what he had, he
modified and is winning.
>He took a perennial cellar dweller and is making it work, with someone 
>else's recruits because a good carpenter can work with the tools he has...
>
> 
>
>Dan does what MUST be done to win.  He ran the ball 29 out of 30 times 
>against us.  Why?  It was working and it was what he needed to do to win.
>He saw what Alabama did to us up the middle, and he copied it.  He say 
>what LSU did to us, and he copied it.  He is adjusting... modifying.  
>He is doing what must be done to win, and he did it with far less 
>quality of player than Bama and LSU had.  This does not bode well for us.
>
> 
>
>Our coaches insist on running an offense that is ill suited for our

RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Steve McKibben]

Scott Lucas  wrote:
30 straight running plays worked.  He played to his team's strengths and his 
opponent's weakness.  That is how you win.  You don't want to win?  

That's not brilliance, that's no secret formula, that is common sense...


He was playing on a knife edge.



Had the roles been reversed and either;



The star running back didn't fumble in the red zone or the kicker
didn't miss a field goal, and that turned into a 14-10 loss or an OT
loss, our coaches would have been crucified for employing that same
strategy.



How do I know? because they were attacked for not winning "attractively enough" 
- this year.



I'm sure Mullen was glad to get the win - as he should be, but you know
very well that a lot of the same criticisms leveled at Addazio these
days were directed at Mullen during his time at UF. 



Not that I'm letting our coaching staff off of the hook. I heard
something last night that I found very disconcerting, if true, but it
would explain a lot of what we've been seeing with the team this year.



We all know about Meyer's "re-invention" after his health issues caused
his temporary retirement. Apparently that is still very much a work in
progress. I read that he has delegated so much of his former duties
that practices are said to be very disorganized - something that is the
polar opposite of how they were when he was paying attention to every
little detail.



Considering the number of new staff members that weren't around to see
how we've done it before I could see how that could spiral out of
control in a hurry.



The big question/debate seems to be this;



If Meyer remains the head coach will we continue to do things this way,
or can/will he see that drastic measures need to be taken, and can/will
he be able to make the needed corrections?



Some of the message boards resemble the Zook era - there are some who
are convinced that he must go NOW, some who blindly refuse to question
him due to his resume here (until recently I was in this group), and
some who feel that said body of work should buy him at least a season
of adjustment (this year) to see if in fact he's willing and able to
take the steps neccessary to right the ship, or if seeing that doing
things this way isn't good enough, will once again retire (where I
stand now).



Steve

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RE: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

[Randy Lyons]

HEY! Don't blame me you're getting senile! The LAST thing I need is for MARY
to be mad at me! J
 
Randy
 
From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Arthur Polhill
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 12:55 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen
 
Mary, I apologize for calling you Cee a moment ago.  (blush) Randoo made me
do it.
 
A. Leon Polhill, Gator
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain 
 
 
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From: Mary Weigly 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 10:55:27 PM
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen

Thanks for the thorough analysis, Scott.  I don't buy your assessment of
Mullen, but you make some really good points.  In fact, I've recently been
remembering how stubborn SOS was when his game plan wasn't working and he
would still insist on running it.  I'm sure most of us, here, remember how
long it took for him to adopt a shotgun snap -- and how frustrated we all
were that he wouldn't do it. 
 
I hate throwing Adazzio under the bus, especially when he has been asked to
do so much in Urban's stead, but he clearly is not doing the job (I should
say "jobs" because he is doing more than one).  The question I ask myself is
this:  If we needed to hire an OC, would we consider Adazzio?  That answer
has to be "no."  Our play-calling is predictable, ineffective, and often
incomprehensible.  I happen to believe that many of the bad plays are due to
JB panicking and checking down, but there is just no way to know. 
 
I appreciate you sharing your analysis.  Again, you make good points.  One
thing we can all agree on is that our team is getting worse instead of
better, and that changes need to be made.
 
Mary
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