[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
Hmm. The word "we" should be "he," but "was was" is appropriate. There's some example of a grammatically correct sentence with about 6 "was" in a row. Here, we are saying that the tuck and run was one of the things that made Tebow what he was. -Zeb On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:01 AM, Badrish Davanagere wrote: > >>One of the things that made Tebow what we was was that, if the > the first option was covered, he would take off and run - usuall > for positive yardage. > > LOL...what about the word "was" above? :-) > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:35 AM, John Vega wrote: > > On Oct 22, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Steve McKibben wrote: > >> I also wonder if the new QB coach has tried to change something in >> his mechanics that has him thinking longer and reacting later. > > > I believe that the word "longer" in this sentence is redundant. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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>>One of the things that made Tebow what we was was that, if the the first option was covered, he would take off and run - usuall for positive yardage. LOL...what about the word "was" above? :-) On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:35 AM, John Vega wrote: > > On Oct 22, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Steve McKibben wrote: > > I also wonder if the new QB coach has tried to change something in his > mechanics that has him thinking longer and reacting later. > > > > I believe that the word "longer" in this sentence is redundant. > > One of the things that made Tebow what we was was that, if the the first > option was covered, he would take off and run - usuall for positive yardage. > > This is the first season I have seen him try to check off to the second and > third receiver. Perhaps that was intended to make him a better NFL QB, but > it may have made him a worse college QB. > > Sacks are up, and when TT does take off to run, it is later in the play > with less effective results. > > -Zeb > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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yeah we SHOULDA played Mody! On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:14 PM, wrote: > I shoulda been the coach. I woulda put Moody in more. Then we coulda lost. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > -- > *From: * Steve McKibben > *Date: *Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:18:46 -0700 (PDT) > *To: * > *Subject: *[gatortalk] Re: "Just win" > > --- On *Wed, 10/21/09, ke...@baldwinnc.com * wrote: > > I don't play the "coulda, woulda, shoulda" game. > > Oh, but you do - we all do. > > Otherwise we'd only discuss what actually happened, and why. > > No more: > "I wish we coulda protected the ball better." > "I woulda played Moody in short yardage situations." > "Cooper shoulda caught that long pass." > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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On Oct 22, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Steve McKibben wrote: > I also wonder if the new QB coach has tried to change something in > his mechanics that has him thinking longer and reacting later. I believe that the word "longer" in this sentence is redundant. One of the things that made Tebow what we was was that, if the the first option was covered, he would take off and run - usuall for positive yardage. This is the first season I have seen him try to check off to the second and third receiver. Perhaps that was intended to make him a better NFL QB, but it may have made him a worse college QB. Sacks are up, and when TT does take off to run, it is later in the play with less effective results. -Zeb --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
Great points Randy and Steve. I would offer one other thought. It seems to me that throughout his tenure, Coach Meyer has his team peak at the end of the season. We have every season finished strong. This may be either by design or as a result of his training paradigm. I will argue that out season is going to really start with Georgia. I will also note that our defense is on a record pace this season. In the preseason, we had a "contest" on picking the total points scored against us during the regular season. To remind folks of the picks, they are as follows: Total points scored through six games: 52 points. Jerry Belloit100 Keith Baldwin120 Stacey Hartley-McBride138 Badrish 140 Leon Polhill 142 Mary Weigly 145 Steve McKibben 152 Oliver167 Games remaining: Mississippi State Georgia Vanderbilt South Carolina FIU Florida State Enjoy! From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:33 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" Randy Platt wrote: I will go out on a limb and say that from what I have seen so far the biggest problem with our offense is Tim Tebow. Granted he is also the best thing about our offense, but I really don't think he has played as well in the first half of the season as he did last year. He has two fumbles because he is holding the ball down by his hip, his decision making, particularly on passing plays is shaky at best, he seems to look for Cooper or Hernandez and then run, he still holds on to the ball way to long. I just think TT is putting too much on himself to carry the team and not relying on the talent around him to help him out. I just think Meyer needs to have a little talk with TT and explain that he doesn't have to carry the offense on his back. JAFO Randy Platt aka "PCGator" aka "The Armchair Quarterback" aka "The Other Randy" Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! === Interesting observations Randy. Games one and two were against cupcakes, but he looked pretty good against them, as expected. Against Tennessee, Kiffin Sr. schemed to take away the long ball, Hernandez was ill, Thompson was out with the hammy, and the decision was supposedly made to grind it out and shorten the game, since we had some success running on them and they couldn't beat us passing. Against Kentucky, I've never seen Tebow play better than he did the first quarter. Again - our defense and special teams provided the offense with short fields and a score on the blocked punt. Tim was gashing them with the read option and that opened up other aspects of the offense. Was Tim and the offense's success due to having a comfortable lead, good field position and therefore the green light from the coaches to open things up, was the UK defense that bad, or what? We all know what happened at the end of the third quarter. Against LSU we threw what, twelve passes? One beauty to Cooper for the TD, and one stinker that Tim misread that should (shoulda, woulda, coulda again!) have been a TD but ended up being an INT. We were told, and it makes sense, that much of the offensive gameplan was designed to limit Tim's exposure to hard hits, although he did receive and dish out some. So basically, we have one game where Tim and his supporting cast were healthy, where we had an opponent that could test our defense, on which to judge TT's effectiveness. Playing the w/c/s game again, we were a dropped bomb by Cooper from a 300 yd plus passing game - not too shabby, IMO. The turnovers had our defense on the field a lot, and often after a very short rest - even our best play of the game resulted in them returning after a one play drive by our offense. Given Arky's offensive prowess, and the absence of Spikes, Marsh, and Howard, I wasn't surprised at all that they eventually gave up some yards and points. I agree that Tim hasn't looked, other than in the UK game, as sharp as we've seen him before. I would imagine that some of that may be due to the lack of practice time with a lot of his weapons, since they've taken turns being out of action. You could make a case for ( I suppose that I am! ) it being , up to now, a perfect storm consisting of reduced practice reps, illness/injury, intentional conservative game planning, and untimely lapses in scheme and/or execution by his supporting cast/the coaching staff that has made Superman look very Clark Kent-ish. I also wonder if the new QB coach has tried to change something in his mechanics that has him thinking longer and reactin
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One thing that has me scratching my head is - and I am talking about good SEC teams - not the weak teams we play (we can do almost anything against the weak teams) - if we want to stick with the run game - why not pound them with Moody, Gillislee, Chris Scott - then along about 3rd or 4th quarter once the defense gets tired from the pounding - then put in the fresh legs - the fast guys - demps, rainey, and brandon james. Then we don't have to worry about demps, rainey and james getting out in space - the defenders are so tired - they can't tackle. Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"From: Steve McKibben Date: Thu, October 22, 2009 8:33 amTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Randy Platt wrote: I will go out on a limb and say that from what I have seen so far the biggest problem with our offense is Tim Tebow. Granted he is also the best thing about our offense, but I really don't think he has played as well in the first half of the season as he did last year. He has two fumbles because he is holding the ball down by his hip, his decision making, particularly on passing plays is shaky at best, he seems to look for Cooper or Hernandez and then run, he still holds on to the ball way to long. I just think TT is putting too much on himself to carry the team and not relying on the talent around him to help him out. I just think Meyer needs to have a little talk with TT and explain that he doesn't have to carry the offense on his back.JAFORandy Plattaka "PCGator"aka "The Armchair Quarterback"aka "The Other Randy"Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! ===Interesting observations Randy.Games one and two were against cupcakes, but he looked pretty good against them, as expected.Against Tennessee, Kiffin Sr. schemed to take away the long ball, Hernandez was ill, Thompson was out with the hammy, and the decision was supposedly made to grind it out and shorten the game, since we had some success running on them and they couldn't beat us passing.Against Kentucky, I've never seen Tebow play better than he did the first quarter. Again - our defense and special teams provided the offense with short fields and a score on the blocked punt. Tim was gashing them with the read option and that opened up other aspects of the offense. Was Tim and the offense's success due to having a comfortable lead, good field position and therefore the green light from the coaches to open things up, was the UK defense that bad, or what? We all know what happened at the end of the third quarter.Against LSU we threw what, twelve passes? One beauty to Cooper for the TD, and one stinker that Tim misread that should (shoulda, woulda, coulda again!) have been a TD but ended up being an INT. We were told, and it makes sense, that much of the offensive gameplan was designed to limit Tim's exposure to hard hits, although he did receive and dish out some.So basically, we have one game where Tim and his supporting cast were healthy, where we had an opponent that could test our defense, on which to judge TT's effectiveness.Playing the w/c/s game again, we were a dropped bomb by Cooper from a 300 yd plus passing game - not too shabby, IMO. The turnovers had our defense on the field a lot, and often after a very short rest - even our best play of the game resulted in them returning after a one play drive by our offense. Given Arky's offensive prowess, and the absence of Spikes, Marsh, and Howard, I wasn't surprised at all that they eventually gave up some yards and points.I agree that Tim hasn't looked, other than in the UK game, as sharp as we've seen him before. I would imagine that some of that may be due to the lack of practice time with a lot of his weapons, since they've taken turns being out of action.You could make a case for ( I suppose that I am! ) it being , up to now, a perfect storm consisting of reduced practice reps, illness/injury, intentional conservative game planning, and untimely lapses in scheme and/or execution by his supporting cast/the coaching staff that has made Superman look very Clark Kent-ish.I also wonder if the new QB coach has tried to change something in his mechanics that has him thinking longer and reacting later. Some of the sacks he took on Saturday were the rsult of him hoping against hope to make a play at the very last second. It's easy to say that he should have thrown the ball away on those plays, but how many times have we seen him, against all odds, turn those into positive plays?One last point (for those of you still with me) - as I noted before, we haven't seen the read option since the UK game. That had been a staple of our offense this season. You would think that the only reason to abandon it would be out of concern for Tim's continued health. Yet, by design or by improvisation, Tim has bee
[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
Randy Platt wrote: I will go out on a limb and say that from what I have seen so far the biggest problem with our offense is Tim Tebow. Granted he is also the best thing about our offense, but I really don't think he has played as well in the first half of the season as he did last year. He has two fumbles because he is holding the ball down by his hip, his decision making, particularly on passing plays is shaky at best, he seems to look for Cooper or Hernandez and then run, he still holds on to the ball way to long. I just think TT is putting too much on himself to carry the team and not relying on the talent around him to help him out. I just think Meyer needs to have a little talk with TT and explain that he doesn't have to carry the offense on his back. JAFO Randy Platt aka "PCGator" aka "The Armchair Quarterback" aka "The Other Randy" Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! === Interesting observations Randy. Games one and two were against cupcakes, but he looked pretty good against them, as expected. Against Tennessee, Kiffin Sr. schemed to take away the long ball, Hernandez was ill, Thompson was out with the hammy, and the decision was supposedly made to grind it out and shorten the game, since we had some success running on them and they couldn't beat us passing. Against Kentucky, I've never seen Tebow play better than he did the first quarter. Again - our defense and special teams provided the offense with short fields and a score on the blocked punt. Tim was gashing them with the read option and that opened up other aspects of the offense. Was Tim and the offense's success due to having a comfortable lead, good field position and therefore the green light from the coaches to open things up, was the UK defense that bad, or what? We all know what happened at the end of the third quarter. Against LSU we threw what, twelve passes? One beauty to Cooper for the TD, and one stinker that Tim misread that should (shoulda, woulda, coulda again!) have been a TD but ended up being an INT. We were told, and it makes sense, that much of the offensive gameplan was designed to limit Tim's exposure to hard hits, although he did receive and dish out some. So basically, we have one game where Tim and his supporting cast were healthy, where we had an opponent that could test our defense, on which to judge TT's effectiveness. Playing the w/c/s game again, we were a dropped bomb by Cooper from a 300 yd plus passing game - not too shabby, IMO. The turnovers had our defense on the field a lot, and often after a very short rest - even our best play of the game resulted in them returning after a one play drive by our offense. Given Arky's offensive prowess, and the absence of Spikes, Marsh, and Howard, I wasn't surprised at all that they eventually gave up some yards and points. I agree that Tim hasn't looked, other than in the UK game, as sharp as we've seen him before. I would imagine that some of that may be due to the lack of practice time with a lot of his weapons, since they've taken turns being out of action. You could make a case for ( I suppose that I am! ) it being , up to now, a perfect storm consisting of reduced practice reps, illness/injury, intentional conservative game planning, and untimely lapses in scheme and/or execution by his supporting cast/the coaching staff that has made Superman look very Clark Kent-ish. I also wonder if the new QB coach has tried to change something in his mechanics that has him thinking longer and reacting later. Some of the sacks he took on Saturday were the rsult of him hoping against hope to make a play at the very last second. It's easy to say that he should have thrown the ball away on those plays, but how many times have we seen him, against all odds, turn those into positive plays? One last point (for those of you still with me) - as I noted before, we haven't seen the read option since the UK game. That had been a staple of our offense this season. You would think that the only reason to abandon it would be out of concern for Tim's continued health. Yet, by design or by improvisation, Tim has been far and away the player on our team with the most carries, and his injury came not on a run, but while he was in the pocket looking to pass. I can't help but wonder if Meyer is still concerned about the risk of a second concussion to the point that he's purposely cutting out a crucial element of our attack and relying on our defense and special teams to keep us close enough in games that our "reduced" offense can win them. This season certainly has turned out much more intersing than the cakewalk/coronation that much of the Gator Nation expected! Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 200
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Sometimes they go for you and sometimes they go against you. It’s like blaming a kicker for missing the last minute field goal to lose a game. The field goal may be the kicker’s fault, but the game isn’t. If the entire team didn’t put you in a position for the game to hinge on a single moment, then it wouldn’t matter. It’s the same with a penalty like this. There were 60 minutes of football and neither team pulled away from the other and established a clear ‘right’ to the win. Such a call could have gone either way and neither team would have deserved to complain about it. If this player had caught that pass, or that player hadn’t tripped or another player had blocked better… There’s no end to the ‘coulda, woulda, shoulda’ game and there’s no point playing it. We got a break there – I totally didn’t see a foul – and I have no idea if it changed the outcome of the game. So I’ll take the win, feel lucky to have gotten it, and move on to the next game. Hog fans need to do the same (except for the feeling lucky part). Rob From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ke...@baldwinnc.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:52 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" I don't play the "coulda, woulda, shoulda" game. For example, Arkansas is going around now and saying - if that personal foul call had not been made - Arkansas would have won the game. From: "Ken Kirkley" Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:25:40 -0500 To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" If Tebow doesn't fumble on the 2 against UT, we are up 31-6 and win going away. If Cooper doesn't drop a TD bomb last week and we don't fumble twice and miss a field goal, we win going away. We have to force teams to throw to force turnovers and right now they are staying close (or leading) by playing ball control. Stop making mistakes and start opening up the offense a bit and everyone will start talking about how we have finally gotten into our rhythm. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of oli...@bobparks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:57 AM To: Gator Talk Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" We're really playing pretty much like we have every season since Meyer has been at UF. Although we may be a bit more conservative than usual we're doing what we do in the beginning of the season. By the end, when we get to Alabama, I suspect the offense will gel into the machine it is capable of being. And the defense, there's no worry there. I know, they have a 1 quarter let down. Take that away and they've allowed 3 touchdowns for the season. As I mentioned earlier, let's let Bammy carry that AP albatross awhile. Maybe we'll loosen up a little more and have the big finish to the season we've come to expect. Steve is right. The big blowouts are fan generated expectations. Yes, a win is a win. Let's enjoy the ride. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _ From: Steve McKibben Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT) To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Woody wrote: A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting the impression that that mentality may be setting us back? The fan base more than the team, IMO - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that remain true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season continues? If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only done that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll which selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out, we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry that further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama would likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's win, we're in. - these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot be an excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest on his shoulders. I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week. That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's running a dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it wide, and possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that pay, and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were able to gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that away, and we struggled on the ground against them for the most part. - "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle because they are not as good o
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I think that may be by design to put them in a position to control the clock/eat up time. I seriously believe that is a big part of their overall game plan. Woody On Oct 21, 2009, at 6:59 PM, "Oliver Barry" wrote: > A safety would be nice. I’d like to see more punt blocks. The spec > ial teams weren’t terrible against Arkansas, but they weren’t > good either. > And, where was Brandon James on the run backs? > > Oliver Barry CRS,GRI > Real Estate Broker > Bob Parks Realty > 1517 Hunt Club Blvd > Gallatin TN 37066 > Phone: 615-826-4040 > Fax: 615-822-2027 > Mobile: 615-972-4239 > > > From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] > On Behalf Of JNene > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:44 PM > To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com > Subject: [gatortalk] "Just win" > > i want a SAFETY!! > -JNene > - Original Message - > From: > "Cecilia" > > To: > gatortalk@googlegroups.com > Cc: > > Sent: > Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:59:00 -0400 > Subject: > [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" > > > I don't believe they have, and we keep begging for a defensive score > every game. ;-) > > Cee > -- Show Quoted Text -- > - Original Message - > From: Woody > To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:27 PM > Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" > > Has the D had a TD this year? I would be surprised if they didnt... > but I dont recall one. > > Woody > > > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Ken Kirkley wrote: > If Tebow doesn't fumble on the 2 against UT, we are up 31-6 and win > going away. If Cooper doesn't drop a TD bomb last week and we don't > fumble twice and miss a field goal, we win going away. We have to > force teams to throw to force turnovers and right now they are > staying close (or leading) by playing ball control. > > Stop making mistakes and start opening up the offense a bit and > everyone will start talking about how we have finally gotten into > our rhythm. > > Ken K > MNGator > > > From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] > On Behalf Of oli...@bobparks.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:57 AM > To: Gator Talk > > Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" > > We're really playing pretty much like we have every season since > Meyer has been at UF. > Although we may be a bit more conservative than usual we're doing > what we do in the beginning of the season. > By the end, when we get to Alabama, I suspect the offense will gel > into the machine it is capable of being. And the defense, there's no > worry there. I know, they have a 1 quarter let down. Take that away > and they've allowed 3 touchdowns for the season. > As I mentioned earlier, let's let Bammy carry that AP albatross > awhile. Maybe we'll loosen up a little more and have the big finish > to the season we've come to expect. > > Steve is right. The big blowouts are fan generated expectations. > Yes, a win is a win. Let's enjoy the ride. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > From: Steve McKibben > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT) > To: > Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" > > --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Woody wrote: > A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting > the impression that that mentality may be setting us back? > The fan base more than the team, IMO > - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that remain > true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season > continues? > If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only > done that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS > poll which selects the participants in the title game), then, if we > "just win" out, we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the > field with them. To carry that further, even if we were to drop to > #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama would likely get us back in the > top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's win, we're in. > - these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot > be an excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot > rest on his shoulders. > I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week. > That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's > running a dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and > run it wide, and possibly pitch it to the trailer. W
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A safety would be nice. I'd like to see more punt blocks. The special teams weren't terrible against Arkansas, but they weren't good either. And, where was Brandon James on the run backs? Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JNene Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:44 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] "Just win" i want a SAFETY!! -JNene - Original Message - From: "Cecilia" To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Cc: Sent: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:59:00 -0400 Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" I don't believe they have, and we keep begging for a defensive score every game. ;-) Cee -- Show Quoted Text -- - Original Message - From: Woody <mailto:gatorrr...@gmail.com> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:27 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" Has the D had a TD this year? I would be surprised if they didnt... but I dont recall one. Woody On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Ken Kirkley wrote: If Tebow doesn't fumble on the 2 against UT, we are up 31-6 and win going away. If Cooper doesn't drop a TD bomb last week and we don't fumble twice and miss a field goal, we win going away. We have to force teams to throw to force turnovers and right now they are staying close (or leading) by playing ball control. Stop making mistakes and start opening up the offense a bit and everyone will start talking about how we have finally gotten into our rhythm. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of oli...@bobparks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:57 AM To: Gator Talk Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" We're really playing pretty much like we have every season since Meyer has been at UF. Although we may be a bit more conservative than usual we're doing what we do in the beginning of the season. By the end, when we get to Alabama, I suspect the offense will gel into the machine it is capable of being. And the defense, there's no worry there. I know, they have a 1 quarter let down. Take that away and they've allowed 3 touchdowns for the season. As I mentioned earlier, let's let Bammy carry that AP albatross awhile. Maybe we'll loosen up a little more and have the big finish to the season we've come to expect. Steve is right. The big blowouts are fan generated expectations. Yes, a win is a win. Let's enjoy the ride. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _ From: Steve McKibben Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT) To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Woody wrote: A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting the impression that that mentality may be setting us back? The fan base more than the team, IMO - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that remain true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season continues? If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only done that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll which selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out, we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry that further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama would likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's win, we're in. - these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot be an excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest on his shoulders. I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week. That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's running a dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it wide, and possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that pay, and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were able to gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that away, and we struggled on the ground against them for the most part. - "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle because they are not as good of a team as we thought. That atleast seems to be true... And that could be true - especially if the "as good of a team as we thought" part means as good as those hyper inflated "best team ever" expectations. - "just win" because Addazzio is still getting his feet wet as a OC and is going through a le
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Yeah, but... if they never get an opportunity to try, try again, they'll never
get any better at NOT letting him down. It's a bit of a vicious cycle, ya know?
Cee
- Original Message -
From: Woody
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:52 PM
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
Im not sure Meyer would tell him that. His attitude is.. let Tebow be
Tebow... but I see what you are saying and I mostly agree... except for the
fact... he has tried to spread the ball around...and they let him down...
I almost wonder if Tebow is the leader of this team in more ways than one.
Woody
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Randy Platt wrote:
Steve,
I will go out on a limb and say that from what I have seen so far the
biggest problem with our offense is Tim Tebow. Granted he is also the best
thing about our offense, but I really don't think he has played as well in
the first half of the season as he did last year. He has two fumbles
because he is holding the ball down by his hip, his decision making,
particularly on passing plays is shaky at best, he seems to look for Cooper
or Hernandez and then run, he still holds on to the ball way to long. I
just think TT is putting too much on himself to carry the team and not
relying on the talent around him to help him out. I just think Meyer needs
to have a little talk with TT and explain that he doesn't have to carry the
offense on his back.
JAFO
Randy Platt
aka "PCGator"
aka "The Armchair Quarterback"
aka "The Other Randy"
Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest!
From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve McKibben
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:29 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Woody wrote:
A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting the
impression that that mentality may be setting us back?
The fan base more than the team, IMO
- We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that remain true if
Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season continues?
If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only done that
in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll which
selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out,
we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry
that further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama
would likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's
win, we're in.
- these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot be an
excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest on his
shoulders.
I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week. That's
where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's running a dive
play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it wide, and
possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that pay,
and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were able to
gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that away, and
we struggled on the ground against them for the most part.
- "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle because they
are not as good of a team as we thought. That atleast seems to be true...
And that could be true - especially if the "as good of a team as we thought"
part means as good as those hyper inflated "best team ever" expectations.
- "just win" because Addazzio is still getting his feet wet as a OC and is
going through a learning curve, hence why we are not very productive. Maybe
he's playin it too safe and doesnt wanna screw up?
While he's the OC, our plays are scripted called, and reviewed by committee
and Meyer has the final say. Not saying the old OL coach doesn't like to
give his hosses the opportunity to play smashmouth, but I think if anyone is
reigning in the playcalling, it's probably Meyer.
look..I know meyer isnt happy that we arent happy with just accepting a
win... i dont think thats what we are up in arms about... Im not so sure
thats the case at all... i think everyone of us would accept a win... but I
do think this mentality of "just go in and get out with a win" may be the
wrong mindset. I think it also shows that Meyer doesnt have that much
confidence in this team or someone that is keeping them from b
[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
Im not sure Meyer would tell him that. His attitude is.. let Tebow be Tebow... but I see what you are saying and I mostly agree... except for the fact... he has tried to spread the ball around...and they let him down... I almost wonder if Tebow is the leader of this team in more ways than one. Woody On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Randy Platt wrote: > Steve, > > > > I will go out on a limb and say that from what I have seen so far the > biggest problem with our offense is Tim Tebow. Granted he is also the best > thing about our offense, but I really don't think he has played as well in > the first half of the season as he did last year. He has two fumbles > because he is holding the ball down by his hip, his decision making, > particularly on passing plays is shaky at best, he seems to look for Cooper > or Hernandez and then run, he still holds on to the ball way to long. I > just think TT is putting too much on himself to carry the team and not > relying on the talent around him to help him out. I just think Meyer needs > to have a little talk with TT and explain that he doesn't have to carry the > offense on his back. > > > > JAFO > > > > > > Randy Platt > > aka "PCGator" > > aka "The Armchair Quarterback" > > aka "The Other Randy" > > > > Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! > > > > > > > > From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve McKibben > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:29 AM > To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com > Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" > > > > > --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Woody wrote: > > A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting the > impression that that mentality may be setting us back? > > The fan base more than the team, IMO > > - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that remain true > if > Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season continues? > > If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only done > that > in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll which > selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out, > we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry > that further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 > Bama > would likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's > win, we're in. > > - these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot be an > excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest on his > shoulders. > > I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week. That's > where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's running a dive > play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it wide, and > possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that pay, > and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were able > to > gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that away, > and > we struggled on the ground against them for the most part. > > - "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle because they > are not as good of a team as we thought. That atleast seems to be true... > > And that could be true - especially if the "as good of a team as we > thought" > part means as good as those hyper inflated "best team ever" expectations. > > - "just win" because Addazzio is still getting his feet wet as a OC and is > going through a learning curve, hence why we are not very productive. > Maybe > he's playin it too safe and doesnt wanna screw up? > > While he's the OC, our plays are scripted called, and reviewed by committee > and Meyer has the final say. Not saying the old OL coach doesn't like to > give his hosses the opportunity to play smashmouth, but I think if anyone > is > reigning in the playcalling, it's probably Meyer. > > look..I know meyer isnt happy that we arent happy with just accepting a > win... i dont think thats what we are up in arms about... Im not so sure > thats the case at all... i think everyone of us would accept a win... but I > do think this mentality of "just go in and get out with a win" may be the > wrong mindset. I think it also shows that Meyer doesnt have that much > confidence in this team or someone that is keeping them from being a > dominant figure. > > Last year we were very good at not turing the ball over and also very good &g
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Steve, I will go out on a limb and say that from what I have seen so far the biggest problem with our offense is Tim Tebow. Granted he is also the best thing about our offense, but I really don't think he has played as well in the first half of the season as he did last year. He has two fumbles because he is holding the ball down by his hip, his decision making, particularly on passing plays is shaky at best, he seems to look for Cooper or Hernandez and then run, he still holds on to the ball way to long. I just think TT is putting too much on himself to carry the team and not relying on the talent around him to help him out. I just think Meyer needs to have a little talk with TT and explain that he doesn't have to carry the offense on his back. JAFO Randy Platt aka "PCGator" aka "The Armchair Quarterback" aka "The Other Randy" Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:29 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Woody wrote: A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting the impression that that mentality may be setting us back? The fan base more than the team, IMO - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that remain true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season continues? If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only done that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll which selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out, we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry that further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama would likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's win, we're in. - these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot be an excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest on his shoulders. I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week. That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's running a dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it wide, and possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that pay, and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were able to gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that away, and we struggled on the ground against them for the most part. - "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle because they are not as good of a team as we thought. That atleast seems to be true... And that could be true - especially if the "as good of a team as we thought" part means as good as those hyper inflated "best team ever" expectations. - "just win" because Addazzio is still getting his feet wet as a OC and is going through a learning curve, hence why we are not very productive. Maybe he's playin it too safe and doesnt wanna screw up? While he's the OC, our plays are scripted called, and reviewed by committee and Meyer has the final say. Not saying the old OL coach doesn't like to give his hosses the opportunity to play smashmouth, but I think if anyone is reigning in the playcalling, it's probably Meyer. look..I know meyer isnt happy that we arent happy with just accepting a win... i dont think thats what we are up in arms about... Im not so sure thats the case at all... i think everyone of us would accept a win... but I do think this mentality of "just go in and get out with a win" may be the wrong mindset. I think it also shows that Meyer doesnt have that much confidence in this team or someone that is keeping them from being a dominant figure. Last year we were very good at not turing the ball over and also very good at taking it away. That gave our offense a lot of short fields (and in many cases defensive scores) that allowed our naturally conservative coaches to loosen up a bit. This year, so far at least, we are minus in the turnover column, and therefore are looking at longer fields in tighter games, so the conservative nature shines through. If we'll start getting some timely turnovers, or more importantly, stop giving them away I think you'll feel a lot better about the scoreboard. Again.. maybe im thinking too far into it all A long drive after a tight game will do that! ... but right now.. Miss St game is scaring the hell outta me. Until proven otherwise, the only game on our schedule that I don't think we can possibly lose is FIU. By the same token, despite all of our current watrs, we're capable of, and in fact, SHOULD be able to win all of them!<>
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I agree, we shouldn't play the would have could have game. It is our opponents (fans) who are playing that to derive a Vol* victory out of their games with the Gators. I am simply pointing out that the games were close due to our mistakes, not theirs. And we still won. If we can clean up our game, we will be rolling. There are many theories (see GatorCountry for our many coaches plans...) as to how to solve our woes, but it essentially comes down to holding on to the football on offense and making tackles on defense. Ken K MNGator * Main Entry: vol Pronunciation: \ˌvä-l Function: noun Etymology: obsolete French Date: circa 1600 1 : a person who derives a loss as a win : one who has but few teeth: one who reveres as ones leader a complete buffoon : one who has a sense of entitlement without bearing 2 : a complete hillbilly _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ke...@baldwinnc.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:52 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" I don't play the "coulda, woulda, shoulda" game. For example, Arkansas is going around now and saying - if that personal foul call had not been made - Arkansas would have won the game. From: "Ken Kirkley" Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:25:40 -0500 To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" If Tebow doesn't fumble on the 2 against UT, we are up 31-6 and win going away. If Cooper doesn't drop a TD bomb last week and we don't fumble twice and miss a field goal, we win going away. We have to force teams to throw to force turnovers and right now they are staying close (or leading) by playing ball control. Stop making mistakes and start opening up the offense a bit and everyone will start talking about how we have finally gotten into our rhythm. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of oli...@bobparks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:57 AM To: Gator Talk Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" We're really playing pretty much like we have every season since Meyer has been at UF. Although we may be a bit more conservative than usual we're doing what we do in the beginning of the season. By the end, when we get to Alabama, I suspect the offense will gel into the machine it is capable of being. And the defense, there's no worry there. I know, they have a 1 quarter let down. Take that away and they've allowed 3 touchdowns for the season. As I mentioned earlier, let's let Bammy carry that AP albatross awhile. Maybe we'll loosen up a little more and have the big finish to the season we've come to expect. Steve is right. The big blowouts are fan generated expectations. Yes, a win is a win. Let's enjoy the ride. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _ From: Steve McKibben Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT) To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Woody wrote: A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting the impression that that mentality may be setting us back? The fan base more than the team, IMO - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that remain true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season continues? If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only done that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll which selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out, we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry that further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama would likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's win, we're in. - these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot be an excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest on his shoulders. I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week. That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's running a dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it wide, and possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that pay, and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were able to gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that away, and we struggled on the ground against them for the most part. - "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle because they are not as good of a team as we thought. That atleast seems to be true... And that could be true - especially if the "as good of a team as we thought" part means as good as those hyper inflated "be
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Hmmm... I'm surprised we weren't able to make that happen with our simultaneous
pleas from the stands, Woody. My mantra went more like "get the ball, get the
ball, get the ball".
Cee
- Original Message -
From: Woody
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:14 PM
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
"
You shoulda seen me at the game Cee... Everytime our D was up... I would just
repeat "turnover turnover turnover turnover turnover". When the lady next to
me didnt think I was having heart failure... she thought i was crazy Im sure.
lol
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Cecilia wrote:
I don't believe they have, and we keep begging for a defensive score every
game. ;-)
Cee
- Original Message -
From: Woody
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:27 PM
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
Has the D had a TD this year? I would be surprised if they didnt... but
I dont recall one.
Woody
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Ken Kirkley wrote:
If Tebow doesn't fumble on the 2 against UT, we are up 31-6 and win
going away. If Cooper doesn't drop a TD bomb last week and we don't fumble
twice and miss a field goal, we win going away. We have to force teams to
throw to force turnovers and right now they are staying close (or leading) by
playing ball control.
Stop making mistakes and start opening up the offense a bit and
everyone will start talking about how we have finally gotten into our rhythm.
Ken K
MNGator
From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of oli...@bobparks.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:57 AM
To: Gator Talk
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
We're really playing pretty much like we have every season since Meyer
has been at UF.
Although we may be a bit more conservative than usual we're doing what
we do in the beginning of the season.
By the end, when we get to Alabama, I suspect the offense will gel into
the machine it is capable of being. And the defense, there's no worry there. I
know, they have a 1 quarter let down. Take that away and they've allowed 3
touchdowns for the season.
As I mentioned earlier, let's let Bammy carry that AP albatross awhile.
Maybe we'll loosen up a little more and have the big finish to the season we've
come to expect.
Steve is right. The big blowouts are fan generated expectations. Yes, a
win is a win. Let's enjoy the ride.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
----
From: Steve McKibben
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT)
To:
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Woody wrote:
A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else
getting the impression that that mentality may be setting us back?
The fan base more than the team, IMO
- We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that
remain true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season
continues?
If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've
only done that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll
which selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out,
we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry that
further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama would
likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's win, we're
in.
- these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that
cannot be an excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest
on his shoulders.
I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this
week. That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's
running a dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it
wide, and possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that
pay, and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were able
to gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that away, and
we struggled on the ground against them for the most part.
- "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle
because they are not as good of a team as we thought. That atleast seems to be
true...
[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
I shoulda been the coach. I woulda put Moody in more. Then we coulda lost. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steve McKibben Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:18:46 To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" --- On Wed, 10/21/09, ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: I don't play the "coulda, woulda, shoulda" game. Oh, but you do - we all do. Otherwise we'd only discuss what actually happened, and why. No more: "I wish we coulda protected the ball better." "I woulda played Moody in short yardage situations." "Cooper shoulda caught that long pass." --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
I agree - we all do. BUt we should not Kind of like - don't look at your neighbor's wife, no alcohol shall pass these lips, I'll never get drunk enough to date some women that goes to FSU, ... Original Message ----Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"From: Steve McKibben Date: Wed, October 21, 2009 2:18 pmTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com --- On Wed, 10/21/09, ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: I don't play the "coulda, woulda, shoulda" game. Oh, but you do - we all do.Otherwise we'd only discuss what actually happened, and why.No more:"I wish we coulda protected the ball better.""I woulda played Moody in short yardage situations.""Cooper shoulda caught that long pass." --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
--- On Wed, 10/21/09, ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: I don't play the "coulda, woulda, shoulda" game. Oh, but you do - we all do. Otherwise we'd only discuss what actually happened, and why. No more: "I wish we coulda protected the ball better." "I woulda played Moody in short yardage situations." "Cooper shoulda caught that long pass." --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
" You shoulda seen me at the game Cee... Everytime our D was up... I would just repeat "turnover turnover turnover turnover turnover". When the lady next to me didnt think I was having heart failure... she thought i was crazy Im sure. lol On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Cecilia wrote: > I don't believe they have, and we keep begging for a defensive score > every game. ;-) > > Cee > > - Original Message - > *From:* Woody > *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:27 PM > *Subject:* [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" > > Has the D had a TD this year? I would be surprised if they didnt... but I > dont recall one. > > Woody > > > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Ken Kirkley wrote: > >> If Tebow doesn't fumble on the 2 against UT, we are up 31-6 and win >> going away. If Cooper doesn't drop a TD bomb last week and we don't fumble >> twice and miss a field goal, we win going away. We have to force teams to >> throw to force turnovers and right now they are staying close (or leading) >> by playing ball control. >> >> Stop making mistakes and start opening up the offense a bit and everyone >> will start talking about how we have finally gotten into our rhythm. >> >> *Ken K* >> *MNGator* >> >> >> -- >> *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On >> Behalf Of *oli...@bobparks.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:57 AM >> *To:* Gator Talk >> >> *Subject:* [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" >> >> We're really playing pretty much like we have every season since Meyer >> has been at UF. >> Although we may be a bit more conservative than usual we're doing what we >> do in the beginning of the season. >> By the end, when we get to Alabama, I suspect the offense will gel into >> the machine it is capable of being. And the defense, there's no worry there. >> I know, they have a 1 quarter let down. Take that away and they've allowed 3 >> touchdowns for the season. >> As I mentioned earlier, let's let Bammy carry that AP albatross awhile. >> Maybe we'll loosen up a little more and have the big finish to the season >> we've come to expect. >> >> Steve is right. The big blowouts are fan generated expectations. Yes, a >> win is a win. Let's enjoy the ride. >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> -- >> *From: *Steve McKibben >> *Date: *Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT) >> *To: * >> *Subject: *[gatortalk] Re: "Just win" >> >> --- On *Wed, 10/21/09, Woody * wrote: >> >> A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting the >> impression that that mentality may be setting us back? >> >> The fan base more than the team, IMO >> >> - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that remain >> true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season continues? >> >> If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only done >> that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll which >> selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out, >> we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry >> that further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama >> would likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's >> win, we're in. >> >> - these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot be >> an excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest on his >> shoulders. >> >> I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week. >> That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's running >> a dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it wide, >> and possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that >> pay, and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were >> able to gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that >> away, and we struggled on the ground against them for the most part. >> >> - "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle because >> they are not as good of a team as we thought. That atleast seems to be >> true... >> >> And that could be true - especia
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On Oct 21, 2009, at 1:52 PM, wrote: > I don't play the "coulda, woulda, shoulda" game. For example, > Arkansas is going around now and saying - if that personal foul > call had not been made - Arkansas would have won the game. Given that we were inside the 20, the net effect was about 9 yards; not the typical 15. Given that it was 2nd down and we had been marching the ball down the field, it is a bit much to assume that we would not have scored on that drive. Did anyone see Demps's scoring run? Once he turned the corner, he would have scored from 30 yards out or 9 yards out. Unlike a pass interference all in the end zone on a third down incompletion, I have trouble seeing how the outcome of this game turned on that call. -Zeb --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
I don't believe they have, and we keep begging for a defensive score every
game. ;-)
Cee
- Original Message -
From: Woody
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:27 PM
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
Has the D had a TD this year? I would be surprised if they didnt... but I
dont recall one.
Woody
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Ken Kirkley wrote:
If Tebow doesn't fumble on the 2 against UT, we are up 31-6 and win going
away. If Cooper doesn't drop a TD bomb last week and we don't fumble twice and
miss a field goal, we win going away. We have to force teams to throw to force
turnovers and right now they are staying close (or leading) by playing ball
control.
Stop making mistakes and start opening up the offense a bit and everyone
will start talking about how we have finally gotten into our rhythm.
Ken K
MNGator
From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of oli...@bobparks.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:57 AM
To: Gator Talk
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
We're really playing pretty much like we have every season since Meyer has
been at UF.
Although we may be a bit more conservative than usual we're doing what we
do in the beginning of the season.
By the end, when we get to Alabama, I suspect the offense will gel into the
machine it is capable of being. And the defense, there's no worry there. I
know, they have a 1 quarter let down. Take that away and they've allowed 3
touchdowns for the season.
As I mentioned earlier, let's let Bammy carry that AP albatross awhile.
Maybe we'll loosen up a little more and have the big finish to the season we've
come to expect.
Steve is right. The big blowouts are fan generated expectations. Yes, a win
is a win. Let's enjoy the ride.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: Steve McKibben
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT)
To:
Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Woody wrote:
A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting
the impression that that mentality may be setting us back?
The fan base more than the team, IMO
- We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that
remain true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season
continues?
If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only
done that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll which
selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out, we'll
get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry that
further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama would
likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's win, we're
in.
- these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that
cannot be an excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest
on his shoulders.
I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week.
That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's running a
dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it wide, and
possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that pay, and
(ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were able to gash
LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that away, and we
struggled on the ground against them for the most part.
- "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle
because they are not as good of a team as we thought. That atleast seems to be
true...
And that could be true - especially if the "as good of a team as we
thought" part means as good as those hyper inflated "best team ever"
expectations.
- "just win" because Addazzio is still getting his feet wet as a OC
and is going through a learning curve, hence why we are not very productive.
Maybe he's playin it too safe and doesnt wanna screw up?
While he's the OC, our plays are scripted called, and reviewed by
committee and Meyer has the final say. Not saying the old OL coach doesn't like
to give his hosses the opportunity to play smashmouth, but I think if anyone is
reigning in the playcalling, it's probably Meyer.
look..I know meyer isnt happy that we arent happy with just
accepting a win... i dont think thats what we
[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
I don't play the "coulda, woulda, shoulda" game. For example, Arkansas is going around now and saying - if that personal foul call had not been made - Arkansas would have won the game. From: "Ken Kirkley" Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:25:40 -0500 To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" If Tebow doesn't fumble on the 2 against UT, we are up 31-6 and win going away. If Cooper doesn't drop a TD bomb last week and we don't fumble twice and miss a field goal, we win going away. We have to force teams to throw to force turnovers and right now they are staying close (or leading) by playing ball control. Stop making mistakes and start opening up the offense a bit and everyone will start talking about how we have finally gotten into our rhythm. Ken K MNGator From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of oli...@bobparks.comSent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:57 AMTo: Gator TalkSubject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" We're really playing pretty much like we have every season since Meyer has been at UF. Although we may be a bit more conservative than usual we're doing what we do in the beginning of the season. By the end, when we get to Alabama, I suspect the offense will gel into the machine it is capable of being. And the defense, there's no worry there. I know, they have a 1 quarter let down. Take that away and they've allowed 3 touchdowns for the season. As I mentioned earlier, let's let Bammy carry that AP albatross awhile. Maybe we'll loosen up a little more and have the big finish to the season we've come to expect. Steve is right. The big blowouts are fan generated expectations. Yes, a win is a win. Let's enjoy the ride. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Steve McKibben Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT) To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Woody wrote: A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting the impression that that mentality may be setting us back? The fan base more than the team, IMO - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that remain true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season continues? If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only done that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll which selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out, we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry that further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama would likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's win, we're in. - these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot be an excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest on his shoulders. I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week. That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's running a dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it wide, and possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that pay, and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were able to gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that away, and we struggled on the ground against them for the most part. - "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle because they are not as good of a team as we thought. That atleast seems to be true... And that could be true - especially if the "as good of a team as we thought" part means as good as those hyper inflated "best team ever" expectations. - "just win" because Addazzio is still getting his feet wet as a OC and is going through a learning curve, hence why we are not very productive. Maybe he's playin it too safe and doesnt wanna screw up? While he's the OC, our plays are scripted called, and reviewed by committee and Meyer has the final say. Not saying the old OL coach doesn't like to give his hosses the opportunity to play smashmouth, but I think if anyone is reigning in the playcalling, it's probably Meyer. look..I know meyer isnt happy that we arent happy with just accepting a win... i dont think thats what we are up in arms about... Im not so sure thats the case at all... i think everyone of us would accept a win... but I do think this mentality of "just go in and get out with a win" may be the wrong mindset. I think it also shows that Meyer doesnt have that much confidence in this team or someone that is keeping them from being a dominant figure. Last year we were very good at not turing the ball over and also very good at taking it away. That gave our offense a lot of short fields (and in many cas
[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
That's exactly right. And, it comes as we get further into the season. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Ken Kirkley" Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:25:40 To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" If Tebow doesn't fumble on the 2 against UT, we are up 31-6 and win going away. If Cooper doesn't drop a TD bomb last week and we don't fumble twice and miss a field goal, we win going away. We have to force teams to throw to force turnovers and right now they are staying close (or leading) by playing ball control. Stop making mistakes and start opening up the offense a bit and everyone will start talking about how we have finally gotten into our rhythm. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of oli...@bobparks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:57 AM To: Gator Talk Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" We're really playing pretty much like we have every season since Meyer has been at UF. Although we may be a bit more conservative than usual we're doing what we do in the beginning of the season. By the end, when we get to Alabama, I suspect the offense will gel into the machine it is capable of being. And the defense, there's no worry there. I know, they have a 1 quarter let down. Take that away and they've allowed 3 touchdowns for the season. As I mentioned earlier, let's let Bammy carry that AP albatross awhile. Maybe we'll loosen up a little more and have the big finish to the season we've come to expect. Steve is right. The big blowouts are fan generated expectations. Yes, a win is a win. Let's enjoy the ride. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _ From: Steve McKibben Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT) To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Woody wrote: A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting the impression that that mentality may be setting us back? The fan base more than the team, IMO - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that remain true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season continues? If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only done that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll which selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out, we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry that further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama would likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's win, we're in. - these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot be an excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest on his shoulders. I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week. That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's running a dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it wide, and possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that pay, and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were able to gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that away, and we struggled on the ground against them for the most part. - "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle because they are not as good of a team as we thought. That atleast seems to be true... And that could be true - especially if the "as good of a team as we thought" part means as good as those hyper inflated "best team ever" expectations. - "just win" because Addazzio is still getting his feet wet as a OC and is going through a learning curve, hence why we are not very productive. Maybe he's playin it too safe and doesnt wanna screw up? While he's the OC, our plays are scripted called, and reviewed by committee and Meyer has the final say. Not saying the old OL coach doesn't like to give his hosses the opportunity to play smashmouth, but I think if anyone is reigning in the playcalling, it's probably Meyer. look..I know meyer isnt happy that we arent happy with just accepting a win... i dont think thats what we are up in arms about... Im not so sure thats the case at all... i think everyone of us would accept a win... but I do think this mentality of "just go in and get out with a win" may be the wrong mindset. I think it also shows that Meyer doesnt have that much confidence in this team or someone that is keeping them from being a dominant figure. Last year we were very good at not turing the ball over and also very good at taking it away. That gave our offense a lot of short fields (and in many cases defensive scores) that allo
Re: FW: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
I concur... There were way way way too many mistakes this past saturday... which surprises me with it being such a "mature" team... Woody On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Jay Cicone wrote: > *Couldn’t agree more. Fewer mistakes on our part and both of those games > are blowouts. When we get it together, Bama will have their hands full.* > > * * > > * * > > *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Ken Kirkley > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:26 PM > > *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" > > > > If Tebow doesn't fumble on the 2 against UT, we are up 31-6 and win going > away. If Cooper doesn't drop a TD bomb last week and we don't fumble twice > and miss a field goal, we win going away. We have to force teams to throw > to force turnovers and right now they are staying close (or leading) by > playing ball control. > > > > Stop making mistakes and start opening up the offense a bit and everyone > will start talking about how we have finally gotten into our rhythm. > > > > *Ken K* > > *MNGator* > > > > > -- > > *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *oli...@bobparks.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:57 AM > *To:* Gator Talk > *Subject:* [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" > > We're really playing pretty much like we have every season since Meyer has > been at UF. > Although we may be a bit more conservative than usual we're doing what we > do in the beginning of the season. > By the end, when we get to Alabama, I suspect the offense will gel into the > machine it is capable of being. And the defense, there's no worry there. I > know, they have a 1 quarter let down. Take that away and they've allowed 3 > touchdowns for the season. > As I mentioned earlier, let's let Bammy carry that AP albatross awhile. > Maybe we'll loosen up a little more and have the big finish to the season > we've come to expect. > > Steve is right. The big blowouts are fan generated expectations. Yes, a win > is a win. Let's enjoy the ride. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > -- > > *From: *Steve McKibben > > *Date: *Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT) > > *To: * > > *Subject: *[gatortalk] Re: "Just win" > > > > --- On *Wed, 10/21/09, Woody * wrote: > > *A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting the > impression that that mentality may be setting us back?* > > The fan base more than the team, IMO > > * - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that remain > true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season continues? > * > > If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only done > that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll which > selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out, > we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry > that further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama > would likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's > win, we're in. > > *- these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot be > an excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest on his > shoulders.* > > I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week. > That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's running > a dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it wide, > and possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that > pay, and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were > able to gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that > away, and we struggled on the ground against them for the most part. > > *- "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle because > they are not as good of a team as we thought. That atleast seems to be > true... * > > And that could be true - especially if the "as good of a team as we > thought" part means as good as those hyper inflated "best team ever" > expectations. > > *- "just win" because Addazzio is still getting his feet wet as a OC and > is going through a learning curve, hence why we are not very productive. > Maybe he's playin it too safe and doesnt wanna screw up? * > > Whil
[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
Not one that I can recall either. --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Woody wrote: Has the D had a TD this year? I would be surprised if they didnt... but I dont recall one. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
FW: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
Couldn't agree more. Fewer mistakes on our part and both of those games are blowouts. When we get it together, Bama will have their hands full. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Kirkley Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:26 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" If Tebow doesn't fumble on the 2 against UT, we are up 31-6 and win going away. If Cooper doesn't drop a TD bomb last week and we don't fumble twice and miss a field goal, we win going away. We have to force teams to throw to force turnovers and right now they are staying close (or leading) by playing ball control. Stop making mistakes and start opening up the offense a bit and everyone will start talking about how we have finally gotten into our rhythm. Ken K MNGator From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of oli...@bobparks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:57 AM To: Gator Talk Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" We're really playing pretty much like we have every season since Meyer has been at UF. Although we may be a bit more conservative than usual we're doing what we do in the beginning of the season. By the end, when we get to Alabama, I suspect the offense will gel into the machine it is capable of being. And the defense, there's no worry there. I know, they have a 1 quarter let down. Take that away and they've allowed 3 touchdowns for the season. As I mentioned earlier, let's let Bammy carry that AP albatross awhile. Maybe we'll loosen up a little more and have the big finish to the season we've come to expect. Steve is right. The big blowouts are fan generated expectations. Yes, a win is a win. Let's enjoy the ride. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Steve McKibben Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT) To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Woody wrote: A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting the impression that that mentality may be setting us back? The fan base more than the team, IMO - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that remain true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season continues? If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only done that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll which selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out, we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry that further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama would likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's win, we're in. - these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot be an excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest on his shoulders. I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week. That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's running a dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it wide, and possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that pay, and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were able to gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that away, and we struggled on the ground against them for the most part. - "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle because they are not as good of a team as we thought. That atleast seems to be true... And that could be true - especially if the "as good of a team as we thought" part means as good as those hyper inflated "best team ever" expectations. - "just win" because Addazzio is still getting his feet wet as a OC and is going through a learning curve, hence why we are not very productive. Maybe he's playin it too safe and doesnt wanna screw up? While he's the OC, our plays are scripted called, and reviewed by committee and Meyer has the final say. Not saying the old OL coach doesn't like to give his hosses the opportunity to play smashmouth, but I think if anyone is reigning in the playcalling, it's probably Meyer. look..I know meyer isnt happy that we arent happy with just accepting a win... i dont think thats what we are up in arms about... Im not so sure thats the case at all... i think everyone of us would accept a win... but I do think this mentality of "just go in and get out with a win" may be the wrong mindset. I think it also shows that Meyer doesnt have that much confidence in this team or someone that is keeping them from being a dom
[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
Has the D had a TD this year? I would be surprised if they didnt... but I dont recall one. Woody On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Ken Kirkley wrote: > If Tebow doesn't fumble on the 2 against UT, we are up 31-6 and win going > away. If Cooper doesn't drop a TD bomb last week and we don't fumble twice > and miss a field goal, we win going away. We have to force teams to throw > to force turnovers and right now they are staying close (or leading) by > playing ball control. > > Stop making mistakes and start opening up the offense a bit and everyone > will start talking about how we have finally gotten into our rhythm. > > *Ken K* > *MNGator* > > > -- > *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *oli...@bobparks.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:57 AM > *To:* Gator Talk > > *Subject:* [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" > > We're really playing pretty much like we have every season since Meyer > has been at UF. > Although we may be a bit more conservative than usual we're doing what we > do in the beginning of the season. > By the end, when we get to Alabama, I suspect the offense will gel into the > machine it is capable of being. And the defense, there's no worry there. I > know, they have a 1 quarter let down. Take that away and they've allowed 3 > touchdowns for the season. > As I mentioned earlier, let's let Bammy carry that AP albatross awhile. > Maybe we'll loosen up a little more and have the big finish to the season > we've come to expect. > > Steve is right. The big blowouts are fan generated expectations. Yes, a win > is a win. Let's enjoy the ride. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > -- > *From: *Steve McKibben > *Date: *Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT) > *To: * > *Subject: *[gatortalk] Re: "Just win" > > --- On *Wed, 10/21/09, Woody * wrote: > > A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting the > impression that that mentality may be setting us back? > > The fan base more than the team, IMO > > - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that remain true > if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season continues? > > If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only done > that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll which > selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out, > we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry > that further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama > would likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's > win, we're in. > > - these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot be > an excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest on his > shoulders. > > I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week. > That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's running > a dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it wide, > and possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that > pay, and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were > able to gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that > away, and we struggled on the ground against them for the most part. > > - "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle because > they are not as good of a team as we thought. That atleast seems to be > true... > > And that could be true - especially if the "as good of a team as we > thought" part means as good as those hyper inflated "best team ever" > expectations. > > - "just win" because Addazzio is still getting his feet wet as a OC and > is going through a learning curve, hence why we are not very productive. > Maybe he's playin it too safe and doesnt wanna screw up? > > While he's the OC, our plays are scripted called, and reviewed by > committee and Meyer has the final say. Not saying the old OL coach doesn't > like to give his hosses the opportunity to play smashmouth, but I think if > anyone is reigning in the playcalling, it's probably Meyer. > > look..I know meyer isnt happy that we arent happy with just accepting a > win... i dont think thats what we are up in arms about... Im not so sure > thats the case at all... i think everyone of us would accept a win... but I > do think this mentality of "j
[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
If Tebow doesn't fumble on the 2 against UT, we are up 31-6 and win going away. If Cooper doesn't drop a TD bomb last week and we don't fumble twice and miss a field goal, we win going away. We have to force teams to throw to force turnovers and right now they are staying close (or leading) by playing ball control. Stop making mistakes and start opening up the offense a bit and everyone will start talking about how we have finally gotten into our rhythm. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of oli...@bobparks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:57 AM To: Gator Talk Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" We're really playing pretty much like we have every season since Meyer has been at UF. Although we may be a bit more conservative than usual we're doing what we do in the beginning of the season. By the end, when we get to Alabama, I suspect the offense will gel into the machine it is capable of being. And the defense, there's no worry there. I know, they have a 1 quarter let down. Take that away and they've allowed 3 touchdowns for the season. As I mentioned earlier, let's let Bammy carry that AP albatross awhile. Maybe we'll loosen up a little more and have the big finish to the season we've come to expect. Steve is right. The big blowouts are fan generated expectations. Yes, a win is a win. Let's enjoy the ride. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _ From: Steve McKibben Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:28:31 -0700 (PDT) To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Woody wrote: A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting the impression that that mentality may be setting us back? The fan base more than the team, IMO - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that remain true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season continues? If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only done that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll which selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out, we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry that further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama would likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's win, we're in. - these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot be an excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest on his shoulders. I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week. That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's running a dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it wide, and possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that pay, and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were able to gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that away, and we struggled on the ground against them for the most part. - "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle because they are not as good of a team as we thought. That atleast seems to be true... And that could be true - especially if the "as good of a team as we thought" part means as good as those hyper inflated "best team ever" expectations. - "just win" because Addazzio is still getting his feet wet as a OC and is going through a learning curve, hence why we are not very productive. Maybe he's playin it too safe and doesnt wanna screw up? While he's the OC, our plays are scripted called, and reviewed by committee and Meyer has the final say. Not saying the old OL coach doesn't like to give his hosses the opportunity to play smashmouth, but I think if anyone is reigning in the playcalling, it's probably Meyer. look..I know meyer isnt happy that we arent happy with just accepting a win... i dont think thats what we are up in arms about... Im not so sure thats the case at all... i think everyone of us would accept a win... but I do think this mentality of "just go in and get out with a win" may be the wrong mindset. I think it also shows that Meyer doesnt have that much confidence in this team or someone that is keeping them from being a dominant figure. Last year we were very good at not turing the ball over and also very good at taking it away. That gave our offense a lot of short fields (and in many cases defensive scores) that allowed our naturally conservative coaches to loosen up a bit. This year, so far at least, we are minus in the turnover column, and therefore are looking at longer fields in tighter games, so the conservative nature shines through. If we'll start getting some ti
[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
We're really playing pretty much like we have every season since Meyer has been at UF. Although we may be a bit more conservative than usual we're doing what we do in the beginning of the season. By the end, when we get to Alabama, I suspect the offense will gel into the machine it is capable of being. And the defense, there's no worry there. I know, they have a 1 quarter let down. Take that away and they've allowed 3 touchdowns for the season. As I mentioned earlier, let's let Bammy carry that AP albatross awhile. Maybe we'll loosen up a little more and have the big finish to the season we've come to expect. Steve is right. The big blowouts are fan generated expectations. Yes, a win is a win. Let's enjoy the ride. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steve McKibben Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:28:31 To: Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Woody wrote: A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting the impression that that mentality may be setting us back? The fan base more than the team, IMO - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that remain true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season continues? If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only done that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll which selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out, we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry that further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama would likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's win, we're in. - these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot be an excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest on his shoulders. I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week. That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's running a dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it wide, and possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that pay, and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were able to gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that away, and we struggled on the ground against them for the most part. - "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle because they are not as good of a team as we thought. That atleast seems to be true... And that could be true - especially if the "as good of a team as we thought" part means as good as those hyper inflated "best team ever" expectations. - "just win" because Addazzio is still getting his feet wet as a OC and is going through a learning curve, hence why we are not very productive. Maybe he's playin it too safe and doesnt wanna screw up? While he's the OC, our plays are scripted called, and reviewed by committee and Meyer has the final say. Not saying the old OL coach doesn't like to give his hosses the opportunity to play smashmouth, but I think if anyone is reigning in the playcalling, it's probably Meyer. look..I know meyer isnt happy that we arent happy with just accepting a win... i dont think thats what we are up in arms about... Im not so sure thats the case at all... i think everyone of us would accept a win... but I do think this mentality of "just go in and get out with a win" may be the wrong mindset. I think it also shows that Meyer doesnt have that much confidence in this team or someone that is keeping them from being a dominant figure. Last year we were very good at not turing the ball over and also very good at taking it away. That gave our offense a lot of short fields (and in many cases defensive scores) that allowed our naturally conservative coaches to loosen up a bit. This year, so far at least, we are minus in the turnover column, and therefore are looking at longer fields in tighter games, so the conservative nature shines through. If we'll start getting some timely turnovers, or more importantly, stop giving them away I think you'll feel a lot better about the scoreboard. Again.. maybe im thinking too far into it allA long drive after a tight game will do that! ... but right now.. Miss St game is scaring the hell outta me. Until proven otherwise, the only game on our schedule that I don't think we can possibly lose is FIU. By the same token, despite all of our current watrs, we're capable of, and in fact, SHOULD be able to win all of them! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champion
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--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Woody wrote: A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting the impression that that mentality may be setting us back? The fan base more than the team, IMO - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that remain true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season continues? If it's only Bama that leapfrogs us (and keep in mind they've only done that in the AP poll so far, which is NOT a component of the BCS poll which selects the participants in the title game), then, if we "just win" out, we'll get to decide the "BCS semi-final" on the field with them. To carry that further, even if we were to drop to #4 in the BCS, a win over a #1 Bama would likely get us back in the top 2. #3 or better at that point and it's win, we're in. - these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot be an excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest on his shoulders. I'll be interested to see if we run the read option play this week. That's where Tebow puts the ball in the tailback's belly as if he's running a dive play then, depending on his read, can pull it out and run it wide, and possibly pitch it to the trailer. We were killing Kentucky with that pay, and (ostensibly) to protect Tebow, we have not run it since. We were able to gash LSU with the straight dive, but Arkansas schemed to take that away, and we struggled on the ground against them for the most part. - "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle because they are not as good of a team as we thought. That atleast seems to be true... And that could be true - especially if the "as good of a team as we thought" part means as good as those hyper inflated "best team ever" expectations. - "just win" because Addazzio is still getting his feet wet as a OC and is going through a learning curve, hence why we are not very productive. Maybe he's playin it too safe and doesnt wanna screw up? While he's the OC, our plays are scripted called, and reviewed by committee and Meyer has the final say. Not saying the old OL coach doesn't like to give his hosses the opportunity to play smashmouth, but I think if anyone is reigning in the playcalling, it's probably Meyer. look..I know meyer isnt happy that we arent happy with just accepting a win... i dont think thats what we are up in arms about... Im not so sure thats the case at all... i think everyone of us would accept a win... but I do think this mentality of "just go in and get out with a win" may be the wrong mindset. I think it also shows that Meyer doesnt have that much confidence in this team or someone that is keeping them from being a dominant figure. Last year we were very good at not turing the ball over and also very good at taking it away. That gave our offense a lot of short fields (and in many cases defensive scores) that allowed our naturally conservative coaches to loosen up a bit. This year, so far at least, we are minus in the turnover column, and therefore are looking at longer fields in tighter games, so the conservative nature shines through. If we'll start getting some timely turnovers, or more importantly, stop giving them away I think you'll feel a lot better about the scoreboard. Again.. maybe im thinking too far into it allA long drive after a tight game will do that! ... but right now.. Miss St game is scaring the hell outta me. Until proven otherwise, the only game on our schedule that I don't think we can possibly lose is FIU. By the same token, despite all of our current watrs, we're capable of, and in fact, SHOULD be able to win all of them! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Of course it will. A. Leon Polhill, Gator Friends are the family that we choose for ourselves. From: "ke...@baldwinnc.com" To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:28:59 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: "Just win" I think they are likely to fix some of these problems over next summer. But is it likely to improve during the season? > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
And...it should. It's an SEC game, it's at their house and we haven't won there in over 20 years. A. Leon Polhill, Gator Friends are the family that we choose for ourselves. From: Woody To: Gatortalk Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:01:15 AM Subject: [gatortalk] "Just win" look..I know meyer isnt happy that we arent happy with just accepting a win... i dont think thats what we are up in arms about... Im not so sure thats the case at all... i think everyone of us would accept a win... but I do think this mentality of "just go in and get out with a win" may be the wrong mindset. I think it also shows that Meyer doesnt have that much confidence in this team or someone that is keeping them from being a dominant figure. Again.. maybe im thinking too far into it all... but right now.. Miss St game is scaring the hell outta me. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: "Just win"
The problem is - what we expect, what we see versus the reality What we expect to see is the best team in the history of college football. Completely dominating at all times on offense, defense, and special teams. What we've seen on offense (in SEC play) is Tebow left, Tebow right, Tebow throw (half of them dropped), tebow up the middle, hand off to Rainey or Demps (great run if past linebackers or loss of yardage). Our defense has been dominating - minus a handful of plays I think our special teams has one blocked punt in SEC play - short of what most expected. Plus we are losing the turnover margin. Regarding the reality - if you never saw the Gators play, saw that UF was undefeated, believed that the SEC was the best conference in college football, and saw that the Gators were leading most team stats in teh SEC - you would think - wow - UF must be the best team in college football. Maybe old crutches - Tebow and Adazio running the ball - are too much to overcome. Once you learn to lean on them - you can't wean yourself off of them. We can probably win out regular season playing like we are. But can we win the SEC CG and BCS CG playing like this? I think they are likely to fix some of these problems over next summer. But is it likely to improve during the season? Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] "Just win"From: Woody Date: Wed, October 21, 2009 10:01 amTo: Gatortalk A win is a win is a win... Ill take em. But is anyone else getting the impression that that mentality may be setting us back? As I drove back from Orlando yesterday... I thought about what that mindset really means and why Meyer would be pushing that... and perhaps I have thought too far into this but this is what I came up with... - We're #1... and so long as we win we're in. But will that remain true if Bama or whoever shows to be more impressive as the season continues? - Do only what we have to to win.. stay healthy/injury free... and for the most part .. fresh - these problems are not just due to Tebows concussion.. that cannot be an excuse.. he's been on his game. But the entire game cannot rest on his shoulders. - "just win" because the entire year is going to be a struggle because they are not as good of a team as we thought. That atleast seems to be true... - "just win" because Addazzio is still getting his feet wet as a OC and is going through a learning curve, hence why we are not very productive. Maybe he's playin it too safe and doesnt wanna screw up? He's obviously a power run OC... he's said it before... so does that mean we're not gonna see much of a passing attack that UF fans have become so accustomed too? If thats the case.. if he's also the OL guy... why hasnt Demps/Rainey/Moody/James, etc etc had a more productive year against our better opponents? I get what we were tryin to do against LSU... dive play dive play dive play run it right at em and control the clock. We saw a lil more passing in the first half vs Arky... but then we had a hard time holding on to the ball. Had it not been for the turnovers... I think that game would have easily been 30-10. Gotta give Arky credit though... they are much improved over the year. look..I know meyer isnt happy that we arent happy with just accepting a win... i dont think thats what we are up in arms about... Im not so sure thats the case at all... i think everyone of us would accept a win... but I do think this mentality of "just go in and get out with a win" may be the wrong mindset. I think it also shows that Meyer doesnt have that much confidence in this team or someone that is keeping them from being a dominant figure. Again.. maybe im thinking too far into it all... but right now.. Miss St game is scaring the hell outta me. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
