[DISCUSS] Documentation

[Gunnar Tapper]

Hi,

Related to the muti-lingual issue but also separate since it has to do with
tools. This might be the wrong list to so please feel free to redirect.

I've created a lot of documentation for Trafodion using Asciidoc, which
allows the project to include the documentation with the source. It's OK
but also complicated when wanting to provide PDF versions of the manuals
due to font issues and other things.

Talking with other contributors, there's a clear preference to use Apache
OpenOffice for documentation. Beyond usability (and therefore more
willingness to document), it also makes translation easier.

Has anyone used OpenOffice for documentation before? If so, how is it
handled with source control etc? (OpenOffice files are really zip archives
with multiple files in them.)

Thoughts?

-- 
Thanks,

Gunnar

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

[Reynold Xin]

Background: I have no tie to RocketMQ. I didn't even know about it until
today and I don't know any of the people associated with the project. I am
Chinese but living in the US. I'm purely playing devil's advocate about a
meta-point here and don't know if it applies to RocketMQ or not.

I definitely agree with Jeff's point that "my thoughts about community
would be getting as many people and users involved as possible".

That said, for a project started in China, it is unclear switching the
primary development language from Chinese to English would help with
accomplishing that goal. While lowering the bar for non-Chinese speakers to
participate, it will limit the efficacy of its original developers, and
increases the bar for more Chinese developers, which are the more natural,
immediate expansion targets for the community.

If we as a community want to enforce the usage of English as the standard,
we should just explicitly say that.

I'd avoid using the argument that English will bring more users, as it is
not defensible and risk being interpreted as western arrogance. Afterall,
three out of the six largest Internet companies (by market cap) are
currently in mainland China, and they all have enormous daily active users
even though they are targeting primarily Chinese.


On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:14 PM, Jeff Genender 
wrote:

> I would think that English is generally used because its the most
> international language, not because its the most used in the world.  Thus
> it helps cross borders for communication.  At the end of the day, I think
> you need to look at your community and ask if you want it to cross borders
> or not.  Do you want worldwide contribution (and adoption)?  I can tell you
> that I glean a lot of information from the mail lists when I run into
> problems or issues using Apache software.  If the discussions are in
> Chinese, you may miss a lot of people who can be a part of the discussion
> from outside of China.  I think you really need to think about who you want
> your users to be and how you want your product adopted.
>
> In addition, this is an incubated project.  AFAICT, the champion doesn’t
> speak Chinese, and I am wild-guessing maybe 2 of the mentors do.  This
> means the other mentors may have a difficult time steering the project when
> they are needed.  It makes it difficult for the champion to asses any
> problems without having someone notify him of a translated issue.  In the
> unlikely event that the project requires input from the incubation PMC or,
> the board for that matter, it would be very difficult to get a proper
> insight into the issues without have solid knowledge of the language.
>
> I personally don’t know of any rule or regulation that locks down a
> language and perhaps a board member can chime in on that.  But my .02 is
> that if I were bringing a project to Apache, my thoughts about community
> would be getting as many people and users involved as possible.  If you
> don’t use a more cross-border/international language, then I believe that
> you may ultimately be hindering your project beyond your borders.  I think
> that would be a shame.  OTOH, maybe your desire is to keep RocketMQ a
> Chinese piece of software.  I guess that is ok too… but I would be
> interested in why.
>
> Just my usual .02.
>
> Jeff
>
> > On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:53 PM, Tom Barber  wrote:
> >
> > I believe I saw something the other day where someone was talking about
> diverse languages on mailing lists. personally I think it's okay but
> obviously it decreases the chance of participation of others.
> >
> > of course the old saying "if it wasn't discussed on the list it never
> happened" didn't mention the language.
> >
> > Thought must be taken for jira and code comments as well. how would non
> Chinese speaking people follow development?
> >
> >
> > On 11 Nov 2016 06:45, "Reynold Xin" > wrote:
> > Adding members@
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Reynold Xin > wrote:
> >
> > > To play devil's advocate: is it OK for Apache projects that consist
> > > primarily of Chinese developers to communicate in Chinese? Or put it
> > > differently -- is it a requirement that all communications must be in
> > > English?
> > >
> > > I can see an inclusiveness argument for having to use English, as
> English
> > > is one of the most common languages. However, many talented software
> > > developers in China don't have the sufficient level of proficiency
> when it
> > > comes to English, as the penetration rate of English in China is much
> lower
> > > than other countries. It is as hard for Chinese speakers to learn
> English
> > > as for English speakers to learn Chinese.
> > >
> > > One can certainly argue forcing everybody to use English will also
> exclude
> > > those Chinese developers, and from the perspective of the number of
> native
> > > speakers, Mandarin (a Chinese 

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

[Niclas Hedhman]

There is an explicit demand for English on generic mailing lists. However,
there have been language specific mailing lists in the past, but they tend
to be short-lived.

I think that for those who don't communicate in English, it will be
incredibly hard to be a useful contributor, heck even a user, as every bit
of documentation is also in English (with one or a very small number of
exceptions), the Apache Way guidelines are all in English, source code is
written in English... Mailing list seems to be the last of hurdles, IMHO.

Cheers
Niclas

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Tom Barber  wrote:

> I believe I saw something the other day where someone was talking about
> diverse languages on mailing lists. personally I think it's okay but
> obviously it decreases the chance of participation of others.
>
> of course the old saying "if it wasn't discussed on the list it never
> happened" didn't mention the language.
>
> Thought must be taken for jira and code comments as well. how would non
> Chinese speaking people follow development?
>
> On 11 Nov 2016 06:45, "Reynold Xin"  wrote:
>
> > Adding members@
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Reynold Xin  wrote:
> >
> > > To play devil's advocate: is it OK for Apache projects that consist
> > > primarily of Chinese developers to communicate in Chinese? Or put it
> > > differently -- is it a requirement that all communications must be in
> > > English?
> > >
> > > I can see an inclusiveness argument for having to use English, as
> English
> > > is one of the most common languages. However, many talented software
> > > developers in China don't have the sufficient level of proficiency when
> > it
> > > comes to English, as the penetration rate of English in China is much
> > lower
> > > than other countries. It is as hard for Chinese speakers to learn
> English
> > > as for English speakers to learn Chinese.
> > >
> > > One can certainly argue forcing everybody to use English will also
> > exclude
> > > those Chinese developers, and from the perspective of the number of
> > native
> > > speakers, Mandarin (a Chinese dialect) outnumbers English 3 to 1
> > according
> > > to Wikipedia.
> > >
> > > Similar argument also applies to Japanese, and many other countries,
> > > except the number of Chinese speakers is much larger.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Luke Han  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Gunnar,
> > >>
> > >> I don't think your point is right, one community's problem (maybe not
> > >> real,
> > >> but just
> > >> refer to what you mentioned) could NOT represent all contributions
> from
> > >> China,
> > >> or any other territories from all of the world.
> > >>
> > >> This will misleading people to ignore contributions from Chinese and
> > LABEL
> > >> for such
> > >> contributors and committers..as your pattern, there are tons of
> "issue"
> > to
> > >> describe like
> > >> Russian Contribution, German Contributions, Canada contribution or
> > >> others...
> > >> that's not right way.
> > >>
> > >> Yes, Chinese people are not native English speakers, but they are
> > >> contributing to
> > >> most of the ASF projects and others foundation projects very much,
> > >> involved
> > >> in many
> > >> discussion, development, decision and others deeply.
> > >>
> > >> Let's try to talk with some data, here's summary about last 31 days
> > >> mailing
> > >> list activity from lists.apache.org [1]:
> > >>
> > >> Project |  Emails|   Topics|   Participants
> > >> HBase |   610  |406  |   100
> > >> Spark   |   412  |88   |   124
> > >> Kylin |   294  |144  |   61
> > >> CarbonData |   852  |250  |   116
> > >> HAWQ  |   284  |109  |   57
> > >> Trafodion  |   87   |20   |   25
> > >>
> > >> There are many Chinese people are participating in these projects, you
> > >> could check
> > >> each one and see how Chinese people are discussing within mailing
> list.
> > >>
> > >> It's really not easy for Chinese people, they have to find out a way
> to
> > >> access
> > >> gmail or others since there's GFW, they are not native English
> speakers,
> > >> they have limited experiences for open source especially the Apache
> Way.
> > >> But they are willing to contribute, willing to participate global
> > >> community, and try
> > >> their best to learn and follow The Apache Way. We should have the
> > patience
> > >> for
> > >> those new comers.
> > >>
> > >> As one thing I'm doing now is try to let more people to know our
> > journey,
> > >> our experience
> > >>  about how to follow the Apache Way, how we overcome such
> > >> challenges...through
> > >> conference, events, meetup, blog, book and so on...and also helping
> many
> > >> potential projects
> > >> who are interesting to join Apache family.
> > >>
> > >> I would like suggest to change 

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

[Gunnar Tapper]

Hi,

Perhaps it would be a good idea to separate user lists from other lists? I
was specifically referring to users wanting to ask questions and to get
help. The support side if you will.

As mentioned, the Chinese users have chosen to find an alternate means to
communicate that was invisible to the project until I heard about it. So, I
choose to accept reality and provided a link to the discussion group so
that others that wanted to discuss in Chinese knew where to go. Maybe that
was the wrong choice but I rather encourage interaction somewhere than shut
it down with a "use our mailing lists only."

As mention, I prefer to use e-mail lists but it seems that users aren't
comfortable with that. I'm hoping that people in China can help identify
what would work for those users.

I have similar issues with documentation but I'll open a separate
discussion thread on that topic.

Thanks,

Gunnar

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:14 AM, Jeff Genender 
wrote:

> I would think that English is generally used because its the most
> international language, not because its the most used in the world.  Thus
> it helps cross borders for communication.  At the end of the day, I think
> you need to look at your community and ask if you want it to cross borders
> or not.  Do you want worldwide contribution (and adoption)?  I can tell you
> that I glean a lot of information from the mail lists when I run into
> problems or issues using Apache software.  If the discussions are in
> Chinese, you may miss a lot of people who can be a part of the discussion
> from outside of China.  I think you really need to think about who you want
> your users to be and how you want your product adopted.
>
> In addition, this is an incubated project.  AFAICT, the champion doesn’t
> speak Chinese, and I am wild-guessing maybe 2 of the mentors do.  This
> means the other mentors may have a difficult time steering the project when
> they are needed.  It makes it difficult for the champion to asses any
> problems without having someone notify him of a translated issue.  In the
> unlikely event that the project requires input from the incubation PMC or,
> the board for that matter, it would be very difficult to get a proper
> insight into the issues without have solid knowledge of the language.
>
> I personally don’t know of any rule or regulation that locks down a
> language and perhaps a board member can chime in on that.  But my .02 is
> that if I were bringing a project to Apache, my thoughts about community
> would be getting as many people and users involved as possible.  If you
> don’t use a more cross-border/international language, then I believe that
> you may ultimately be hindering your project beyond your borders.  I think
> that would be a shame.  OTOH, maybe your desire is to keep RocketMQ a
> Chinese piece of software.  I guess that is ok too… but I would be
> interested in why.
>
> Just my usual .02.
>
> Jeff
>
> > On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:53 PM, Tom Barber  wrote:
> >
> > I believe I saw something the other day where someone was talking about
> diverse languages on mailing lists. personally I think it's okay but
> obviously it decreases the chance of participation of others.
> >
> > of course the old saying "if it wasn't discussed on the list it never
> happened" didn't mention the language.
> >
> > Thought must be taken for jira and code comments as well. how would non
> Chinese speaking people follow development?
> >
> >
> > On 11 Nov 2016 06:45, "Reynold Xin" > wrote:
> > Adding members@
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Reynold Xin > wrote:
> >
> > > To play devil's advocate: is it OK for Apache projects that consist
> > > primarily of Chinese developers to communicate in Chinese? Or put it
> > > differently -- is it a requirement that all communications must be in
> > > English?
> > >
> > > I can see an inclusiveness argument for having to use English, as
> English
> > > is one of the most common languages. However, many talented software
> > > developers in China don't have the sufficient level of proficiency
> when it
> > > comes to English, as the penetration rate of English in China is much
> lower
> > > than other countries. It is as hard for Chinese speakers to learn
> English
> > > as for English speakers to learn Chinese.
> > >
> > > One can certainly argue forcing everybody to use English will also
> exclude
> > > those Chinese developers, and from the perspective of the number of
> native
> > > speakers, Mandarin (a Chinese dialect) outnumbers English 3 to 1
> according
> > > to Wikipedia.
> > >
> > > Similar argument also applies to Japanese, and many other countries,
> > > except the number of Chinese speakers is much larger.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Luke Han  > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Gunnar,
> > >>
> > >> I don't think 

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

[Jeff Genender]

I would think that English is generally used because its the most international 
language, not because its the most used in the world.  Thus it helps cross 
borders for communication.  At the end of the day, I think you need to look at 
your community and ask if you want it to cross borders or not.  Do you want 
worldwide contribution (and adoption)?  I can tell you that I glean a lot of 
information from the mail lists when I run into problems or issues using Apache 
software.  If the discussions are in Chinese, you may miss a lot of people who 
can be a part of the discussion from outside of China.  I think you really need 
to think about who you want your users to be and how you want your product 
adopted.

In addition, this is an incubated project.  AFAICT, the champion doesn’t speak 
Chinese, and I am wild-guessing maybe 2 of the mentors do.  This means the 
other mentors may have a difficult time steering the project when they are 
needed.  It makes it difficult for the champion to asses any problems without 
having someone notify him of a translated issue.  In the unlikely event that 
the project requires input from the incubation PMC or, the board for that 
matter, it would be very difficult to get a proper insight into the issues 
without have solid knowledge of the language.

I personally don’t know of any rule or regulation that locks down a language 
and perhaps a board member can chime in on that.  But my .02 is that if I were 
bringing a project to Apache, my thoughts about community would be getting as 
many people and users involved as possible.  If you don’t use a more 
cross-border/international language, then I believe that you may ultimately be 
hindering your project beyond your borders.  I think that would be a shame.  
OTOH, maybe your desire is to keep RocketMQ a Chinese piece of software.  I 
guess that is ok too… but I would be interested in why.

Just my usual .02.

Jeff

> On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:53 PM, Tom Barber  wrote:
> 
> I believe I saw something the other day where someone was talking about 
> diverse languages on mailing lists. personally I think it's okay but 
> obviously it decreases the chance of participation of others.
> 
> of course the old saying "if it wasn't discussed on the list it never 
> happened" didn't mention the language.
> 
> Thought must be taken for jira and code comments as well. how would non 
> Chinese speaking people follow development?
> 
> 
> On 11 Nov 2016 06:45, "Reynold Xin"  > wrote:
> Adding members@
> 
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Reynold Xin  > wrote:
> 
> > To play devil's advocate: is it OK for Apache projects that consist
> > primarily of Chinese developers to communicate in Chinese? Or put it
> > differently -- is it a requirement that all communications must be in
> > English?
> >
> > I can see an inclusiveness argument for having to use English, as English
> > is one of the most common languages. However, many talented software
> > developers in China don't have the sufficient level of proficiency when it
> > comes to English, as the penetration rate of English in China is much lower
> > than other countries. It is as hard for Chinese speakers to learn English
> > as for English speakers to learn Chinese.
> >
> > One can certainly argue forcing everybody to use English will also exclude
> > those Chinese developers, and from the perspective of the number of native
> > speakers, Mandarin (a Chinese dialect) outnumbers English 3 to 1 according
> > to Wikipedia.
> >
> > Similar argument also applies to Japanese, and many other countries,
> > except the number of Chinese speakers is much larger.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Luke Han  > > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Gunnar,
> >>
> >> I don't think your point is right, one community's problem (maybe not
> >> real,
> >> but just
> >> refer to what you mentioned) could NOT represent all contributions from
> >> China,
> >> or any other territories from all of the world.
> >>
> >> This will misleading people to ignore contributions from Chinese and LABEL
> >> for such
> >> contributors and committers..as your pattern, there are tons of "issue" to
> >> describe like
> >> Russian Contribution, German Contributions, Canada contribution or
> >> others...
> >> that's not right way.
> >>
> >> Yes, Chinese people are not native English speakers, but they are
> >> contributing to
> >> most of the ASF projects and others foundation projects very much,
> >> involved
> >> in many
> >> discussion, development, decision and others deeply.
> >>
> >> Let's try to talk with some data, here's summary about last 31 days
> >> mailing
> >> list activity from lists.apache.org  [1]:
> >>
> >> Project |  Emails|   Topics|   Participants
> >> HBase |   610  |406  |   100
> >> 

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

[Gunnar Tapper]

In Trafodion, I and others have simply used Google Translate (doesn't have
to be that tool, just what was handy) for Chinese-to-English. It wasn't a
big deal on the English side. But, the dialog stopped there so I don't know
whether it was because the translation back doesn't work or something else.

Maybe it would be a good idea to provide some guidance in different
languages to suggest to use translation tools and reassurance that the
community is very open to communication via translate tools?

Gunnar



On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:45 PM, Reynold Xin  wrote:

> Adding members@
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Reynold Xin  wrote:
>
> > To play devil's advocate: is it OK for Apache projects that consist
> > primarily of Chinese developers to communicate in Chinese? Or put it
> > differently -- is it a requirement that all communications must be in
> > English?
> >
> > I can see an inclusiveness argument for having to use English, as English
> > is one of the most common languages. However, many talented software
> > developers in China don't have the sufficient level of proficiency when
> it
> > comes to English, as the penetration rate of English in China is much
> lower
> > than other countries. It is as hard for Chinese speakers to learn English
> > as for English speakers to learn Chinese.
> >
> > One can certainly argue forcing everybody to use English will also
> exclude
> > those Chinese developers, and from the perspective of the number of
> native
> > speakers, Mandarin (a Chinese dialect) outnumbers English 3 to 1
> according
> > to Wikipedia.
> >
> > Similar argument also applies to Japanese, and many other countries,
> > except the number of Chinese speakers is much larger.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Luke Han  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Gunnar,
> >>
> >> I don't think your point is right, one community's problem (maybe not
> >> real,
> >> but just
> >> refer to what you mentioned) could NOT represent all contributions from
> >> China,
> >> or any other territories from all of the world.
> >>
> >> This will misleading people to ignore contributions from Chinese and
> LABEL
> >> for such
> >> contributors and committers..as your pattern, there are tons of "issue"
> to
> >> describe like
> >> Russian Contribution, German Contributions, Canada contribution or
> >> others...
> >> that's not right way.
> >>
> >> Yes, Chinese people are not native English speakers, but they are
> >> contributing to
> >> most of the ASF projects and others foundation projects very much,
> >> involved
> >> in many
> >> discussion, development, decision and others deeply.
> >>
> >> Let's try to talk with some data, here's summary about last 31 days
> >> mailing
> >> list activity from lists.apache.org [1]:
> >>
> >> Project |  Emails|   Topics|   Participants
> >> HBase |   610  |406  |   100
> >> Spark   |   412  |88   |   124
> >> Kylin |   294  |144  |   61
> >> CarbonData |   852  |250  |   116
> >> HAWQ  |   284  |109  |   57
> >> Trafodion  |   87   |20   |   25
> >>
> >> There are many Chinese people are participating in these projects, you
> >> could check
> >> each one and see how Chinese people are discussing within mailing list.
> >>
> >> It's really not easy for Chinese people, they have to find out a way to
> >> access
> >> gmail or others since there's GFW, they are not native English speakers,
> >> they have limited experiences for open source especially the Apache Way.
> >> But they are willing to contribute, willing to participate global
> >> community, and try
> >> their best to learn and follow The Apache Way. We should have the
> patience
> >> for
> >> those new comers.
> >>
> >> As one thing I'm doing now is try to let more people to know our
> journey,
> >> our experience
> >>  about how to follow the Apache Way, how we overcome such
> >> challenges...through
> >> conference, events, meetup, blog, book and so on...and also helping many
> >> potential projects
> >> who are interesting to join Apache family.
> >>
> >> I would like suggest to change this topic to something like "Help
> >> Trafodion
> >> community"
> >> which will help to focus on real issue and your concern (Does Trafodion
> >> PMC
> >> know
> >> this concern?)  I'm very happy to help...share with you many articles,
> >> session recordings and
> >> others about open source, even could try to do some face to face
> >> discussion
> >> if necessary:-)
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] https://lists.apache.org  
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Gunnar Tapper  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > Using the RocketMQ proposal to start a larger discussion.
> >> >
> >> > Apache Trafodion is another project that has a lot of contribution
> from
> >> > China.
> >> >
> >> > One of the 

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

[Tom Barber]

I believe I saw something the other day where someone was talking about
diverse languages on mailing lists. personally I think it's okay but
obviously it decreases the chance of participation of others.

of course the old saying "if it wasn't discussed on the list it never
happened" didn't mention the language.

Thought must be taken for jira and code comments as well. how would non
Chinese speaking people follow development?

On 11 Nov 2016 06:45, "Reynold Xin"  wrote:

> Adding members@
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Reynold Xin  wrote:
>
> > To play devil's advocate: is it OK for Apache projects that consist
> > primarily of Chinese developers to communicate in Chinese? Or put it
> > differently -- is it a requirement that all communications must be in
> > English?
> >
> > I can see an inclusiveness argument for having to use English, as English
> > is one of the most common languages. However, many talented software
> > developers in China don't have the sufficient level of proficiency when
> it
> > comes to English, as the penetration rate of English in China is much
> lower
> > than other countries. It is as hard for Chinese speakers to learn English
> > as for English speakers to learn Chinese.
> >
> > One can certainly argue forcing everybody to use English will also
> exclude
> > those Chinese developers, and from the perspective of the number of
> native
> > speakers, Mandarin (a Chinese dialect) outnumbers English 3 to 1
> according
> > to Wikipedia.
> >
> > Similar argument also applies to Japanese, and many other countries,
> > except the number of Chinese speakers is much larger.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Luke Han  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Gunnar,
> >>
> >> I don't think your point is right, one community's problem (maybe not
> >> real,
> >> but just
> >> refer to what you mentioned) could NOT represent all contributions from
> >> China,
> >> or any other territories from all of the world.
> >>
> >> This will misleading people to ignore contributions from Chinese and
> LABEL
> >> for such
> >> contributors and committers..as your pattern, there are tons of "issue"
> to
> >> describe like
> >> Russian Contribution, German Contributions, Canada contribution or
> >> others...
> >> that's not right way.
> >>
> >> Yes, Chinese people are not native English speakers, but they are
> >> contributing to
> >> most of the ASF projects and others foundation projects very much,
> >> involved
> >> in many
> >> discussion, development, decision and others deeply.
> >>
> >> Let's try to talk with some data, here's summary about last 31 days
> >> mailing
> >> list activity from lists.apache.org [1]:
> >>
> >> Project |  Emails|   Topics|   Participants
> >> HBase |   610  |406  |   100
> >> Spark   |   412  |88   |   124
> >> Kylin |   294  |144  |   61
> >> CarbonData |   852  |250  |   116
> >> HAWQ  |   284  |109  |   57
> >> Trafodion  |   87   |20   |   25
> >>
> >> There are many Chinese people are participating in these projects, you
> >> could check
> >> each one and see how Chinese people are discussing within mailing list.
> >>
> >> It's really not easy for Chinese people, they have to find out a way to
> >> access
> >> gmail or others since there's GFW, they are not native English speakers,
> >> they have limited experiences for open source especially the Apache Way.
> >> But they are willing to contribute, willing to participate global
> >> community, and try
> >> their best to learn and follow The Apache Way. We should have the
> patience
> >> for
> >> those new comers.
> >>
> >> As one thing I'm doing now is try to let more people to know our
> journey,
> >> our experience
> >>  about how to follow the Apache Way, how we overcome such
> >> challenges...through
> >> conference, events, meetup, blog, book and so on...and also helping many
> >> potential projects
> >> who are interesting to join Apache family.
> >>
> >> I would like suggest to change this topic to something like "Help
> >> Trafodion
> >> community"
> >> which will help to focus on real issue and your concern (Does Trafodion
> >> PMC
> >> know
> >> this concern?)  I'm very happy to help...share with you many articles,
> >> session recordings and
> >> others about open source, even could try to do some face to face
> >> discussion
> >> if necessary:-)
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] https://lists.apache.org  
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Gunnar Tapper  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > Using the RocketMQ proposal to start a larger discussion.
> >> >
> >> > Apache Trafodion is another project that has a lot of contribution
> from
> >> > China.
> >> >
> >> > One of the struggles I've seen is that the contributors aren't that
> >> active
> >> > on email. Rather, they 

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

[Reynold Xin]

Adding members@

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Reynold Xin  wrote:

> To play devil's advocate: is it OK for Apache projects that consist
> primarily of Chinese developers to communicate in Chinese? Or put it
> differently -- is it a requirement that all communications must be in
> English?
>
> I can see an inclusiveness argument for having to use English, as English
> is one of the most common languages. However, many talented software
> developers in China don't have the sufficient level of proficiency when it
> comes to English, as the penetration rate of English in China is much lower
> than other countries. It is as hard for Chinese speakers to learn English
> as for English speakers to learn Chinese.
>
> One can certainly argue forcing everybody to use English will also exclude
> those Chinese developers, and from the perspective of the number of native
> speakers, Mandarin (a Chinese dialect) outnumbers English 3 to 1 according
> to Wikipedia.
>
> Similar argument also applies to Japanese, and many other countries,
> except the number of Chinese speakers is much larger.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Luke Han  wrote:
>
>> Hi Gunnar,
>>
>> I don't think your point is right, one community's problem (maybe not
>> real,
>> but just
>> refer to what you mentioned) could NOT represent all contributions from
>> China,
>> or any other territories from all of the world.
>>
>> This will misleading people to ignore contributions from Chinese and LABEL
>> for such
>> contributors and committers..as your pattern, there are tons of "issue" to
>> describe like
>> Russian Contribution, German Contributions, Canada contribution or
>> others...
>> that's not right way.
>>
>> Yes, Chinese people are not native English speakers, but they are
>> contributing to
>> most of the ASF projects and others foundation projects very much,
>> involved
>> in many
>> discussion, development, decision and others deeply.
>>
>> Let's try to talk with some data, here's summary about last 31 days
>> mailing
>> list activity from lists.apache.org [1]:
>>
>> Project |  Emails|   Topics|   Participants
>> HBase |   610  |406  |   100
>> Spark   |   412  |88   |   124
>> Kylin |   294  |144  |   61
>> CarbonData |   852  |250  |   116
>> HAWQ  |   284  |109  |   57
>> Trafodion  |   87   |20   |   25
>>
>> There are many Chinese people are participating in these projects, you
>> could check
>> each one and see how Chinese people are discussing within mailing list.
>>
>> It's really not easy for Chinese people, they have to find out a way to
>> access
>> gmail or others since there's GFW, they are not native English speakers,
>> they have limited experiences for open source especially the Apache Way.
>> But they are willing to contribute, willing to participate global
>> community, and try
>> their best to learn and follow The Apache Way. We should have the patience
>> for
>> those new comers.
>>
>> As one thing I'm doing now is try to let more people to know our journey,
>> our experience
>>  about how to follow the Apache Way, how we overcome such
>> challenges...through
>> conference, events, meetup, blog, book and so on...and also helping many
>> potential projects
>> who are interesting to join Apache family.
>>
>> I would like suggest to change this topic to something like "Help
>> Trafodion
>> community"
>> which will help to focus on real issue and your concern (Does Trafodion
>> PMC
>> know
>> this concern?)  I'm very happy to help...share with you many articles,
>> session recordings and
>> others about open source, even could try to do some face to face
>> discussion
>> if necessary:-)
>>
>>
>> [1] https://lists.apache.org  
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Gunnar Tapper 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Using the RocketMQ proposal to start a larger discussion.
>> >
>> > Apache Trafodion is another project that has a lot of contribution from
>> > China.
>> >
>> > One of the struggles I've seen is that the contributors aren't that
>> active
>> > on email. Rather, they prefer to use a forum on QQ communicating in
>> > Chinese.
>> >
>> > I'm currently the release manager and I must admit that it's hard not to
>> > see all discussions. Several of us are trying to encourage questions etc
>> > via the email lists but users just prefer Chinese forums.
>> >
>> > I suspect that Apache will see more of this behavior moving forward,
>> > especially as other proposals come in. So, I'm hoping that members in
>> China
>> > can help advise on what can be done to address communication issues like
>> > this.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Gunnar
>> >
>> > On Nov 5, 2016 12:21 PM, "Ross Gardler" 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Some folks may remember my state of the feather session a couple of
>> 

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

[Reynold Xin]

To play devil's advocate: is it OK for Apache projects that consist
primarily of Chinese developers to communicate in Chinese? Or put it
differently -- is it a requirement that all communications must be in
English?

I can see an inclusiveness argument for having to use English, as English
is one of the most common languages. However, many talented software
developers in China don't have the sufficient level of proficiency when it
comes to English, as the penetration rate of English in China is much lower
than other countries. It is as hard for Chinese speakers to learn English
as for English speakers to learn Chinese.

One can certainly argue forcing everybody to use English will also exclude
those Chinese developers, and from the perspective of the number of native
speakers, Mandarin (a Chinese dialect) outnumbers English 3 to 1 according
to Wikipedia.

Similar argument also applies to Japanese, and many other countries, except
the number of Chinese speakers is much larger.




On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Luke Han  wrote:

> Hi Gunnar,
>
> I don't think your point is right, one community's problem (maybe not real,
> but just
> refer to what you mentioned) could NOT represent all contributions from
> China,
> or any other territories from all of the world.
>
> This will misleading people to ignore contributions from Chinese and LABEL
> for such
> contributors and committers..as your pattern, there are tons of "issue" to
> describe like
> Russian Contribution, German Contributions, Canada contribution or
> others...
> that's not right way.
>
> Yes, Chinese people are not native English speakers, but they are
> contributing to
> most of the ASF projects and others foundation projects very much, involved
> in many
> discussion, development, decision and others deeply.
>
> Let's try to talk with some data, here's summary about last 31 days mailing
> list activity from lists.apache.org [1]:
>
> Project |  Emails|   Topics|   Participants
> HBase |   610  |406  |   100
> Spark   |   412  |88   |   124
> Kylin |   294  |144  |   61
> CarbonData |   852  |250  |   116
> HAWQ  |   284  |109  |   57
> Trafodion  |   87   |20   |   25
>
> There are many Chinese people are participating in these projects, you
> could check
> each one and see how Chinese people are discussing within mailing list.
>
> It's really not easy for Chinese people, they have to find out a way to
> access
> gmail or others since there's GFW, they are not native English speakers,
> they have limited experiences for open source especially the Apache Way.
> But they are willing to contribute, willing to participate global
> community, and try
> their best to learn and follow The Apache Way. We should have the patience
> for
> those new comers.
>
> As one thing I'm doing now is try to let more people to know our journey,
> our experience
>  about how to follow the Apache Way, how we overcome such
> challenges...through
> conference, events, meetup, blog, book and so on...and also helping many
> potential projects
> who are interesting to join Apache family.
>
> I would like suggest to change this topic to something like "Help Trafodion
> community"
> which will help to focus on real issue and your concern (Does Trafodion PMC
> know
> this concern?)  I'm very happy to help...share with you many articles,
> session recordings and
> others about open source, even could try to do some face to face discussion
> if necessary:-)
>
>
> [1] https://lists.apache.org  
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Gunnar Tapper 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Using the RocketMQ proposal to start a larger discussion.
> >
> > Apache Trafodion is another project that has a lot of contribution from
> > China.
> >
> > One of the struggles I've seen is that the contributors aren't that
> active
> > on email. Rather, they prefer to use a forum on QQ communicating in
> > Chinese.
> >
> > I'm currently the release manager and I must admit that it's hard not to
> > see all discussions. Several of us are trying to encourage questions etc
> > via the email lists but users just prefer Chinese forums.
> >
> > I suspect that Apache will see more of this behavior moving forward,
> > especially as other proposals come in. So, I'm hoping that members in
> China
> > can help advise on what can be done to address communication issues like
> > this.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gunnar
> >
> > On Nov 5, 2016 12:21 PM, "Ross Gardler" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Some folks may remember my state of the feather session a couple of years
> > ago when I called for more awareness of the ASFs role in open source
> beyond
> > English speaking countries. This was prompted by a fact finding trip to
> > China.
> >
> > RocketMQ and the team behind it was one of the projects I talked to. 

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

[Luke Han]

Hi Gunnar,

I don't think your point is right, one community's problem (maybe not real,
but just
refer to what you mentioned) could NOT represent all contributions from
China,
or any other territories from all of the world.

This will misleading people to ignore contributions from Chinese and LABEL
for such
contributors and committers..as your pattern, there are tons of "issue" to
describe like
Russian Contribution, German Contributions, Canada contribution or others...
that's not right way.

Yes, Chinese people are not native English speakers, but they are
contributing to
most of the ASF projects and others foundation projects very much, involved
in many
discussion, development, decision and others deeply.

Let's try to talk with some data, here's summary about last 31 days mailing
list activity from lists.apache.org [1]:

Project |  Emails|   Topics|   Participants
HBase |   610  |406  |   100
Spark   |   412  |88   |   124
Kylin |   294  |144  |   61
CarbonData |   852  |250  |   116
HAWQ  |   284  |109  |   57
Trafodion  |   87   |20   |   25

There are many Chinese people are participating in these projects, you
could check
each one and see how Chinese people are discussing within mailing list.

It's really not easy for Chinese people, they have to find out a way to
access
gmail or others since there's GFW, they are not native English speakers,
they have limited experiences for open source especially the Apache Way.
But they are willing to contribute, willing to participate global
community, and try
their best to learn and follow The Apache Way. We should have the patience
for
those new comers.

As one thing I'm doing now is try to let more people to know our journey,
our experience
 about how to follow the Apache Way, how we overcome such
challenges...through
conference, events, meetup, blog, book and so on...and also helping many
potential projects
who are interesting to join Apache family.

I would like suggest to change this topic to something like "Help Trafodion
community"
which will help to focus on real issue and your concern (Does Trafodion PMC
know
this concern?)  I'm very happy to help...share with you many articles,
session recordings and
others about open source, even could try to do some face to face discussion
if necessary:-)


[1] https://lists.apache.org  

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Gunnar Tapper 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Using the RocketMQ proposal to start a larger discussion.
>
> Apache Trafodion is another project that has a lot of contribution from
> China.
>
> One of the struggles I've seen is that the contributors aren't that active
> on email. Rather, they prefer to use a forum on QQ communicating in
> Chinese.
>
> I'm currently the release manager and I must admit that it's hard not to
> see all discussions. Several of us are trying to encourage questions etc
> via the email lists but users just prefer Chinese forums.
>
> I suspect that Apache will see more of this behavior moving forward,
> especially as other proposals come in. So, I'm hoping that members in China
> can help advise on what can be done to address communication issues like
> this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gunnar
>
> On Nov 5, 2016 12:21 PM, "Ross Gardler" 
> wrote:
>
> Some folks may remember my state of the feather session a couple of years
> ago when I called for more awareness of the ASFs role in open source beyond
> English speaking countries. This was prompted by a fact finding trip to
> China.
>
> RocketMQ and the team behind it was one of the projects I talked to. We
> discussed the Apache way at length, however I have not been involved with
> this proposal.
>
> I'm excited to see this proposal. I hope we can bring this project and
> welcome the excellent team I met in China into the foundation. We will need
> to work hard to ensure the project is a success. Like other China born
> projects we will find that there are cultural differences that we need to
> understand, but this would not be the first time we, as a foundation and as
> individuals, accept an opportunity to grow in this way. Having met some of
> the proposing team I am confident that with the right mentors the project
> can succeed.
>
> Bruce, thanks for stepping up to help.
>
> Ross
>
> ---
> Twitter: @rgardler
>
> 
> From: Bruce Snyder 
> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 9:21:47 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] RocketMQ Incubation Proposal
>
> Hi John,
>
> Proposals for new ASF projects are offered to this list for constructive
> feedback. I am happy to help steer the RocketMQ proposal and project using
> your suggestions.
>
> First, as explained previously in this discussion thread by Von Gosling,
> there was some company IP that was mistakenly committed to 

Re: Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[ji luo]

+1

2016-11-11 12:55 GMT+08:00 Luke Han :

> +1 (binding)
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards!
> -
>
> Luke Han
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Hao Chen  wrote:
>
> > +1, good luck.
> >
> > - Hao
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Qun Zhao <9...@zhaoqun911.cn> wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Quanxi Ji
> > > Date: 2016-11-11 11:26
> > > To: general
> > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> > > +1
> > >
> > > 2016-11-11 10:50 GMT+08:00 Feng Longda :
> > >
> > > > +1 (no binding)
> > > >
> > > > More 100 companies are using RocketMQ(Please refer to "who are using
> > > > RocketMQ " https://github.com/alibaba/RocketMQ/issues/1),  I
> > > > definitely believe it can provide a good solution to stable deliver
> > > > and receive message
> > > >
> > > > 2016-11-11 10:28 GMT+08:00 冀全喜 <729040...@qq.com>:
> > > > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -- 原始邮件 --
> > > > > 发件人: "Bruce Snyder";;
> > > > > 发送时间: 2016年11月11日(星期五) 凌晨0:41
> > > > > 收件人: "general";
> > > > >
> > > > > 主题: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a
> vote
> > > on
> > > > > accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
> > > > >
> > > > > [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> > > > > [ ] +0 Abstain.
> > > > > [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
> > > > >  https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
> > > > >  http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bruce
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > = RocketMQ Proposal =
> > > > >
> > > > > == Abstract ==
> > > > >
> > > > > RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed,
> > easy
> > > to
> > > > > use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large
> > > amounts
> > > > of
> > > > > streaming data.
> > > > >
> > > > > == Proposal ==
> > > > >
> > > > > RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P
> and
> > it
> > > > > supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues.
> It
> > > also
> > > > > has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
> > > > > provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
> > > > > RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop
> > for
> > > > > offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
> > > > >
> > > > > == Background ==
> > > > >
> > > > > RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in
> > > production
> > > > > there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events
> > > > generated
> > > > > by various systems and provides a common repository for many types
> of
> > > > > consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles
> > > > dozens
> > > > > of types of events including trade order process, search, social
> > > network
> > > > > activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ
> > > > clusters
> > > > > process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses
> > > > RocketMQ
> > > > > to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
> > > > >
> > > > > RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to
> > > provide
> > > > > low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending.
> > > Alibaba
> > > > > has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a
> > > > Platform
> > > > > as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
> > > > > https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the
> RocketMQ
> > > > open
> > > > > source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people
> so,
> > > we
> > > > > would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community
> > of
> > > > > developers and users via The Apache Way.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > == Rationale ==
> > > > >
> > > > > As background description, many organizations can benefit from a
> low
> > > > > latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage
> > is
> > > > > varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ
> provides
> > > many
> > > > > features to support many use cases from enterprise application
> > > > integration,
> > > > > to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
> > > > >
> > > > > == Current Status ==
> > > > >
> > > > > === Meritocracy ===
> > > > >
> > > > > The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse
> developer
> > > and
> > > > > user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model.
> > > Since
> > > > > RocketMQ was 

Re: Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Luke Han]

+1 (binding)




Best Regards!
-

Luke Han

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Hao Chen  wrote:

> +1, good luck.
>
> - Hao
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Qun Zhao <9...@zhaoqun911.cn> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> >
> > From: Quanxi Ji
> > Date: 2016-11-11 11:26
> > To: general
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> > +1
> >
> > 2016-11-11 10:50 GMT+08:00 Feng Longda :
> >
> > > +1 (no binding)
> > >
> > > More 100 companies are using RocketMQ(Please refer to "who are using
> > > RocketMQ " https://github.com/alibaba/RocketMQ/issues/1),  I
> > > definitely believe it can provide a good solution to stable deliver
> > > and receive message
> > >
> > > 2016-11-11 10:28 GMT+08:00 冀全喜 <729040...@qq.com>:
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- 原始邮件 --
> > > > 发件人: "Bruce Snyder";;
> > > > 发送时间: 2016年11月11日(星期五) 凌晨0:41
> > > > 收件人: "general";
> > > >
> > > > 主题: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote
> > on
> > > > accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
> > > >
> > > > [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> > > > [ ] +0 Abstain.
> > > > [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
> > > >
> > > > The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
> > > >  https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
> > > >
> > > > Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
> > > >  http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bruce
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > = RocketMQ Proposal =
> > > >
> > > > == Abstract ==
> > > >
> > > > RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed,
> easy
> > to
> > > > use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large
> > amounts
> > > of
> > > > streaming data.
> > > >
> > > > == Proposal ==
> > > >
> > > > RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and
> it
> > > > supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It
> > also
> > > > has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
> > > > provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
> > > > RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop
> for
> > > > offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
> > > >
> > > > == Background ==
> > > >
> > > > RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in
> > production
> > > > there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events
> > > generated
> > > > by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
> > > > consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles
> > > dozens
> > > > of types of events including trade order process, search, social
> > network
> > > > activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ
> > > clusters
> > > > process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses
> > > RocketMQ
> > > > to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
> > > >
> > > > RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to
> > provide
> > > > low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending.
> > Alibaba
> > > > has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a
> > > Platform
> > > > as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
> > > > https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ
> > > open
> > > > source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so,
> > we
> > > > would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community
> of
> > > > developers and users via The Apache Way.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > == Rationale ==
> > > >
> > > > As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
> > > > latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage
> is
> > > > varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides
> > many
> > > > features to support many use cases from enterprise application
> > > integration,
> > > > to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
> > > >
> > > > == Current Status ==
> > > >
> > > > === Meritocracy ===
> > > >
> > > > The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer
> > and
> > > > user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model.
> > Since
> > > > RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the
> > > website
> > > > and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and
> have
> > > > received positive feedback and contributions including clients for
> C++
> > > and
> > > > .NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work
> > with
> > > > those who contribute significantly 

Re: Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Hao Chen]

+1, good luck.

- Hao

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Qun Zhao <9...@zhaoqun911.cn> wrote:

> +1
>
>
> From: Quanxi Ji
> Date: 2016-11-11 11:26
> To: general
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> +1
>
> 2016-11-11 10:50 GMT+08:00 Feng Longda :
>
> > +1 (no binding)
> >
> > More 100 companies are using RocketMQ(Please refer to "who are using
> > RocketMQ " https://github.com/alibaba/RocketMQ/issues/1),  I
> > definitely believe it can provide a good solution to stable deliver
> > and receive message
> >
> > 2016-11-11 10:28 GMT+08:00 冀全喜 <729040...@qq.com>:
> > > +1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- 原始邮件 --
> > > 发件人: "Bruce Snyder";;
> > > 发送时间: 2016年11月11日(星期五) 凌晨0:41
> > > 收件人: "general";
> > >
> > > 主题: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote
> on
> > > accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
> > >
> > > [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> > > [ ] +0 Abstain.
> > > [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
> > >
> > > The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
> > >  https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
> > >
> > > Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
> > >  http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > > = RocketMQ Proposal =
> > >
> > > == Abstract ==
> > >
> > > RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy
> to
> > > use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large
> amounts
> > of
> > > streaming data.
> > >
> > > == Proposal ==
> > >
> > > RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
> > > supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It
> also
> > > has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
> > > provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
> > > RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
> > > offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
> > >
> > > == Background ==
> > >
> > > RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in
> production
> > > there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events
> > generated
> > > by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
> > > consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles
> > dozens
> > > of types of events including trade order process, search, social
> network
> > > activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ
> > clusters
> > > process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses
> > RocketMQ
> > > to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
> > >
> > > RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to
> provide
> > > low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending.
> Alibaba
> > > has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a
> > Platform
> > > as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
> > > https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ
> > open
> > > source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so,
> we
> > > would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
> > > developers and users via The Apache Way.
> > >
> > >
> > > == Rationale ==
> > >
> > > As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
> > > latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
> > > varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides
> many
> > > features to support many use cases from enterprise application
> > integration,
> > > to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
> > >
> > > == Current Status ==
> > >
> > > === Meritocracy ===
> > >
> > > The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer
> and
> > > user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model.
> Since
> > > RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the
> > website
> > > and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
> > > received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++
> > and
> > > .NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work
> with
> > > those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
> > > become committers.
> > >
> > > === Community ===
> > >
> > > RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
> > > where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have
> active
> > > users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
> > > including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
> > > 

Re: Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Qun Zhao]

+1


From: Quanxi Ji
Date: 2016-11-11 11:26
To: general
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
+1
 
2016-11-11 10:50 GMT+08:00 Feng Longda :
 
> +1 (no binding)
>
> More 100 companies are using RocketMQ(Please refer to "who are using
> RocketMQ " https://github.com/alibaba/RocketMQ/issues/1),  I
> definitely believe it can provide a good solution to stable deliver
> and receive message
>
> 2016-11-11 10:28 GMT+08:00 冀全喜 <729040...@qq.com>:
> > +1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- 原始邮件 --
> > 发件人: "Bruce Snyder";;
> > 发送时间: 2016年11月11日(星期五) 凌晨0:41
> > 收件人: "general";
> >
> > 主题: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> >
> >
> >
> > Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
> > accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
> >
> > [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> > [ ] +0 Abstain.
> > [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
> >
> > The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
> >  https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
> >
> > Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
> >  http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > = RocketMQ Proposal =
> >
> > == Abstract ==
> >
> > RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy to
> > use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large amounts
> of
> > streaming data.
> >
> > == Proposal ==
> >
> > RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
> > supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It also
> > has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
> > provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
> > RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
> > offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
> >
> > == Background ==
> >
> > RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in production
> > there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events
> generated
> > by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
> > consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles
> dozens
> > of types of events including trade order process, search, social network
> > activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ
> clusters
> > process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses
> RocketMQ
> > to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
> >
> > RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to provide
> > low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending. Alibaba
> > has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a
> Platform
> > as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
> > https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ
> open
> > source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so, we
> > would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
> > developers and users via The Apache Way.
> >
> >
> > == Rationale ==
> >
> > As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
> > latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
> > varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides many
> > features to support many use cases from enterprise application
> integration,
> > to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
> >
> > == Current Status ==
> >
> > === Meritocracy ===
> >
> > The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer and
> > user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model. Since
> > RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the
> website
> > and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
> > received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++
> and
> > .NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work with
> > those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
> > become committers.
> >
> > === Community ===
> >
> > RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
> > where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have active
> > users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
> > including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
> > http://www.schneider-electric.com/), the China Railway Ministry official
> > ticketing website, China Union, Sina, Umei (http://sh.jumei.com),
> Chinese
> > Academy of Sciences and many more. We hope to grow the base of
> contributors
> > by inviting all those who offer significant contributions and excel
> through
> > the use of The Apache Way. Contributions from outside of Alibaba 

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Quanxi Ji]

+1

2016-11-11 10:50 GMT+08:00 Feng Longda :

> +1 (no binding)
>
> More 100 companies are using RocketMQ(Please refer to "who are using
> RocketMQ " https://github.com/alibaba/RocketMQ/issues/1),  I
> definitely believe it can provide a good solution to stable deliver
> and receive message
>
> 2016-11-11 10:28 GMT+08:00 冀全喜 <729040...@qq.com>:
> > +1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- 原始邮件 --
> > 发件人: "Bruce Snyder";;
> > 发送时间: 2016年11月11日(星期五) 凌晨0:41
> > 收件人: "general";
> >
> > 主题: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> >
> >
> >
> > Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
> > accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
> >
> > [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> > [ ] +0 Abstain.
> > [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
> >
> > The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
> >  https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
> >
> > Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
> >  http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > = RocketMQ Proposal =
> >
> > == Abstract ==
> >
> > RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy to
> > use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large amounts
> of
> > streaming data.
> >
> > == Proposal ==
> >
> > RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
> > supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It also
> > has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
> > provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
> > RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
> > offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
> >
> > == Background ==
> >
> > RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in production
> > there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events
> generated
> > by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
> > consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles
> dozens
> > of types of events including trade order process, search, social network
> > activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ
> clusters
> > process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses
> RocketMQ
> > to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
> >
> > RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to provide
> > low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending. Alibaba
> > has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a
> Platform
> > as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
> > https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ
> open
> > source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so, we
> > would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
> > developers and users via The Apache Way.
> >
> >
> > == Rationale ==
> >
> > As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
> > latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
> > varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides many
> > features to support many use cases from enterprise application
> integration,
> > to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
> >
> > == Current Status ==
> >
> > === Meritocracy ===
> >
> > The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer and
> > user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model. Since
> > RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the
> website
> > and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
> > received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++
> and
> > .NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work with
> > those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
> > become committers.
> >
> > === Community ===
> >
> > RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
> > where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have active
> > users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
> > including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
> > http://www.schneider-electric.com/), the China Railway Ministry official
> > ticketing website, China Union, Sina, Umei (http://sh.jumei.com),
> Chinese
> > Academy of Sciences and many more. We hope to grow the base of
> contributors
> > by inviting all those who offer significant contributions and excel
> through
> > the use of The Apache Way. Contributions from outside of Alibaba are now
> > being received by the RocketMQ project, including a dashboard, the
> > flume-rocketmq module, the 

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Hust Fxj]

> +1 . It’s amazing . Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

> 
>> +1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 原始邮件 --
>> 发件人: "Bruce Snyder";;
>> 发送时间: 2016年11月11日(星期五) 凌晨0:41
>> 收件人: "general";
>> 
>> 主题: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
>> accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
>> 
>> [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
>> [ ] +0 Abstain.
>> [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
>> 
>> The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
>> 
>> Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 
>> = RocketMQ Proposal =
>> 
>> == Abstract ==
>> 
>> RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy to
>> use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large amounts of
>> streaming data.
>> 
>> == Proposal ==
>> 
>> RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
>> supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It also
>> has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
>> provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
>> RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
>> offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
>> 
>> == Background ==
>> 
>> RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in production
>> there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events generated
>> by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
>> consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles dozens
>> of types of events including trade order process, search, social network
>> activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ clusters
>> process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses RocketMQ
>> to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
>> 
>> RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to provide
>> low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending. Alibaba
>> has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a Platform
>> as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
>> https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ open
>> source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so, we
>> would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
>> developers and users via The Apache Way.
>> 
>> 
>> == Rationale ==
>> 
>> As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
>> latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
>> varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides many
>> features to support many use cases from enterprise application integration,
>> to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
>> 
>> == Current Status ==
>> 
>> === Meritocracy ===
>> 
>> The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer and
>> user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model. Since
>> RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the website
>> and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
>> received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++ and
>> .NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work with
>> those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
>> become committers.
>> 
>> === Community ===
>> 
>> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
>> where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have active
>> users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
>> including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
>> http://www.schneider-electric.com/), the China Railway Ministry official
>> ticketing website, China Union, Sina, Umei (http://sh.jumei.com), Chinese
>> Academy of Sciences and many more. We hope to grow the base of contributors
>> by inviting all those who offer significant contributions and excel through
>> the use of The Apache Way. Contributions from outside of Alibaba are now
>> being received by the RocketMQ project, including a dashboard, the
>> flume-rocketmq module, the storm-rocketmq and more.
>> 
>> To further this goal, the project currently makes use of GitHub project
>> features as well as a public mailing list via Google Groups.
>> 
>> 
>> === Core Developers ===
>> 
>> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers from Alibaba and
>> Yeahmobi: Xiaorui Wang, Von Gosling, Jiangwei Jiang, Xinyu Zhou, Zhanhui
>> Li. Xiaorui Wang, one of Alibaba MOM project owners is 

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Feng Longda]

+1 (no binding)

More 100 companies are using RocketMQ(Please refer to "who are using
RocketMQ " https://github.com/alibaba/RocketMQ/issues/1),  I
definitely believe it can provide a good solution to stable deliver
and receive message

2016-11-11 10:28 GMT+08:00 冀全喜 <729040...@qq.com>:
> +1
>
>
>
>
> -- 原始邮件 --
> 发件人: "Bruce Snyder";;
> 发送时间: 2016年11月11日(星期五) 凌晨0:41
> 收件人: "general";
>
> 主题: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
>
>
>
> Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
> accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
>
> [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> [ ] +0 Abstain.
> [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
>
> The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
>  https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
>
> Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
>  http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce
>
>
> = RocketMQ Proposal =
>
> == Abstract ==
>
> RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy to
> use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large amounts of
> streaming data.
>
> == Proposal ==
>
> RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
> supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It also
> has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
> provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
> RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
> offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
>
> == Background ==
>
> RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in production
> there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events generated
> by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
> consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles dozens
> of types of events including trade order process, search, social network
> activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ clusters
> process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses RocketMQ
> to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
>
> RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to provide
> low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending. Alibaba
> has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a Platform
> as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
> https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ open
> source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so, we
> would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
> developers and users via The Apache Way.
>
>
> == Rationale ==
>
> As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
> latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
> varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides many
> features to support many use cases from enterprise application integration,
> to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
>
> == Current Status ==
>
> === Meritocracy ===
>
> The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer and
> user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model. Since
> RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the website
> and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
> received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++ and
> .NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work with
> those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
> become committers.
>
> === Community ===
>
> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
> where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have active
> users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
> including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
> http://www.schneider-electric.com/), the China Railway Ministry official
> ticketing website, China Union, Sina, Umei (http://sh.jumei.com), Chinese
> Academy of Sciences and many more. We hope to grow the base of contributors
> by inviting all those who offer significant contributions and excel through
> the use of The Apache Way. Contributions from outside of Alibaba are now
> being received by the RocketMQ project, including a dashboard, the
> flume-rocketmq module, the storm-rocketmq and more.
>
> To further this goal, the project currently makes use of GitHub project
> features as well as a public mailing list via Google Groups.
>
>
> === Core Developers ===
>
> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers from Alibaba and
> Yeahmobi: Xiaorui Wang, Von Gosling, Jiangwei Jiang, Xinyu 

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[wei zhou]

+1
> On 2016??11??11??, at 10:28, ?? <729040...@qq.com> wrote:
> 
> +1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --  --
> ??: "Bruce Snyder";;
> : 2016??11??11??(??) 0:41
> ??: "general"; 
> 
> : [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> 
> 
> 
> Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
> accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
> 
> [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> [ ] +0 Abstain.
> [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
> 
> The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
> 
> Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> = RocketMQ Proposal =
> 
> == Abstract ==
> 
> RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy to
> use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large amounts of
> streaming data.
> 
> == Proposal ==
> 
> RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
> supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It also
> has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
> provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
> RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
> offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
> 
> == Background ==
> 
> RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in production
> there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events generated
> by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
> consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles dozens
> of types of events including trade order process, search, social network
> activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ clusters
> process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses RocketMQ
> to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
> 
> RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to provide
> low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending. Alibaba
> has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a Platform
> as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
> https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ open
> source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so, we
> would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
> developers and users via The Apache Way.
> 
> 
> == Rationale ==
> 
> As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
> latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
> varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides many
> features to support many use cases from enterprise application integration,
> to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
> 
> == Current Status ==
> 
> === Meritocracy ===
> 
> The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer and
> user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model. Since
> RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the website
> and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
> received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++ and
> .NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work with
> those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
> become committers.
> 
> === Community ===
> 
> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
> where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have active
> users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
> including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
> http://www.schneider-electric.com/), the China Railway Ministry official
> ticketing website, China Union, Sina, Umei (http://sh.jumei.com), Chinese
> Academy of Sciences and many more. We hope to grow the base of contributors
> by inviting all those who offer significant contributions and excel through
> the use of The Apache Way. Contributions from outside of Alibaba are now
> being received by the RocketMQ project, including a dashboard, the
> flume-rocketmq module, the storm-rocketmq and more.
> 
> To further this goal, the project currently makes use of GitHub project
> features as well as a public mailing list via Google Groups.
> 
> 
> === Core Developers ===
> 
> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers from Alibaba and
> Yeahmobi: Xiaorui Wang, Von Gosling, Jiangwei Jiang, Xinyu Zhou, Zhanhui
> Li. Xiaorui Wang, one of Alibaba MOM project owners is also the originator
> of the RocketMQ project. He has rich experience with open source 

??????[VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[??????]

+1




--  --
??: "Bruce Snyder";;
: 2016??11??11??(??) 0:41
??: "general"; 

: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator



Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.

[ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
[ ] +0 Abstain.
[ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...

The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
 https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal

Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
 http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html

Thanks,

Bruce


= RocketMQ Proposal =

== Abstract ==

RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy to
use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large amounts of
streaming data.

== Proposal ==

RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It also
has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.

== Background ==

RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in production
there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events generated
by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles dozens
of types of events including trade order process, search, social network
activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ clusters
process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses RocketMQ
to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.

RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to provide
low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending. Alibaba
has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a Platform
as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ open
source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so, we
would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
developers and users via The Apache Way.


== Rationale ==

As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides many
features to support many use cases from enterprise application integration,
to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.

== Current Status ==

=== Meritocracy ===

The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer and
user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model. Since
RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the website
and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++ and
.NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work with
those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
become committers.

=== Community ===

RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have active
users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
http://www.schneider-electric.com/), the China Railway Ministry official
ticketing website, China Union, Sina, Umei (http://sh.jumei.com), Chinese
Academy of Sciences and many more. We hope to grow the base of contributors
by inviting all those who offer significant contributions and excel through
the use of The Apache Way. Contributions from outside of Alibaba are now
being received by the RocketMQ project, including a dashboard, the
flume-rocketmq module, the storm-rocketmq and more.

To further this goal, the project currently makes use of GitHub project
features as well as a public mailing list via Google Groups.


=== Core Developers ===

RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers from Alibaba and
Yeahmobi: Xiaorui Wang, Von Gosling, Jiangwei Jiang, Xinyu Zhou, Zhanhui
Li. Xiaorui Wang, one of Alibaba MOM project owners is also the originator
of the RocketMQ project. He has rich experience with open source software,
as well as being active within the RocketMQ community. Von Gosling, another
MOM project owner at Alibaba and co-creator of the RocketMQ project, is an
active open source software committer and has been an active contributor to
several projects in Alibaba, Apache community and Google Code. 

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

[vongosling]

Hi,Gunnar Tapper, Willem Jiang:

It's a good idea that we can address the questions or issues through email
list.Thanks for your advice. :)

I am chinese hah~ Through the active participation of the community(Google
Group, Apache Jira, Github Issue, even Gitter )these years, I also found
that if we could make the best use of these tools,  it will be helpful to
the standardization of  software feedback and improvement of the efficiency
:)

As for RocketMQ community, although we also have QQ group previously, at
least two years ago.  In the last two years, we start G
oogle Group, Gitter. But as Willem Jiang said. It is not easy thing to
participating for most chinese developer. For this reason, recently,  we
standard our community. All issues must be discuss and post in issues part.
Question ? oh, no ~ you must post your question on StackOverFlow. In there,
your problem may be able to help a friend who has the same problem as you :)


I believe, with more and more chinese developer come here.  they also hope
to seek a simple and efficient way of communication. As for QQ, may be it
is our last resort, it is an effective complement to local group :)





2016-11-11 9:33 GMT+08:00 Willem Jiang :

> Hi,
>
> As we can see more and more Chinese developer wants to contribute to
>  Apache Software Foundation, but they still need to overcome the language
> barrier even some technical barriers to really join the community.
>
> I'm prefer to use email instead of IM or forums because all the
> discussion can be accessed from public.  But for lot of average Chinese
> users , they may not use English as their working language, it could be
> hard for them to write English email. With the help of Google Translator,
> it could be easy for us to be in the same page if every one use the mailing
> list to discuss the issues.
>
> We tried to setup a cxf-zh google group(there were about 2 hundred people)
> to encourage the CXF users to discuss question in Chinese during the CXF
> incubation, but few people uses it after the Great Fire Wall  started to
> block the Services of Google.   It's convenient for the people to talk to
> each other within the QQ group in China, but it's hard for people to catch
> up the previous talk which happened before he joined the group.  So I think
>  we need to encourage Chinese developer to use the mailing list as the
> major channel to discussion questions and it could be great if email is
> written in English.
>
>
> Willem Jiang
>
> Blog: http://willemjiang.blogspot.com (English)
>   http://jnn.iteye.com  (Chinese)
> Twitter: willemjiang
> Weibo: 姜宁willem
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Gunnar Tapper 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Using the RocketMQ proposal to start a larger discussion.
> >
> > Apache Trafodion is another project that has a lot of contribution from
> > China.
> >
> > One of the struggles I've seen is that the contributors aren't that
> active
> > on email. Rather, they prefer to use a forum on QQ communicating in
> > Chinese.
> >
> > I'm currently the release manager and I must admit that it's hard not to
> > see all discussions. Several of us are trying to encourage questions etc
> > via the email lists but users just prefer Chinese forums.
> >
> > I suspect that Apache will see more of this behavior moving forward,
> > especially as other proposals come in. So, I'm hoping that members in
> China
> > can help advise on what can be done to address communication issues like
> > this.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gunnar
> >
> > On Nov 5, 2016 12:21 PM, "Ross Gardler" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Some folks may remember my state of the feather session a couple of years
> > ago when I called for more awareness of the ASFs role in open source
> beyond
> > English speaking countries. This was prompted by a fact finding trip to
> > China.
> >
> > RocketMQ and the team behind it was one of the projects I talked to. We
> > discussed the Apache way at length, however I have not been involved with
> > this proposal.
> >
> > I'm excited to see this proposal. I hope we can bring this project and
> > welcome the excellent team I met in China into the foundation. We will
> need
> > to work hard to ensure the project is a success. Like other China born
> > projects we will find that there are cultural differences that we need to
> > understand, but this would not be the first time we, as a foundation and
> as
> > individuals, accept an opportunity to grow in this way. Having met some
> of
> > the proposing team I am confident that with the right mentors the project
> > can succeed.
> >
> > Bruce, thanks for stepping up to help.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > ---
> > Twitter: @rgardler
> >
> > 
> > From: Bruce Snyder 
> > Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 9:21:47 AM
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] RocketMQ Incubation Proposal
> >
> > Hi John,
> >

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Jian Zhong]

+1 (non-binding)

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:42 AM, ShaoFeng Shi 
wrote:

> +1 (non-binding)
>
> 2016-11-11 9:20 GMT+08:00 Zhanhui Li :
>
> > ++1
> >
> > Li Zhanhui
> >
> > We are probably among the first adopters of RocketMQ outside Alibaba. For
> > the past three years, this system helps us deliver more than 2 billion
> > messages daily. Reliability, scalability, low latency and the ability to
> > playback history messages do us a great favor in face of surging business
> > expanding. Look forward to its incubation at ASF.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Willem Jiang 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1 (binding)
> > >
> > >
> > > Willem Jiang
> > >
> > > Blog: http://willemjiang.blogspot.com (English)
> > >   http://jnn.iteye.com  (Chinese)
> > > Twitter: willemjiang
> > > Weibo: 姜宁willem
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 (non-binding)
> > > >
> > > > On 10 Nov 2016 4:41 pm, "Bruce Snyder"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a
> vote
> > > on
> > > > > accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
> > > > >
> > > > > [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> > > > > [ ] +0 Abstain.
> > > > > [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
> > > > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
> > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bruce
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > = RocketMQ Proposal =
> > > > >
> > > > > == Abstract ==
> > > > >
> > > > > RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed,
> > easy
> > > to
> > > > > use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large
> > > amounts
> > > > of
> > > > > streaming data.
> > > > >
> > > > > == Proposal ==
> > > > >
> > > > > RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P
> and
> > it
> > > > > supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues.
> It
> > > also
> > > > > has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
> > > > > provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
> > > > > RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop
> > for
> > > > > offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
> > > > >
> > > > > == Background ==
> > > > >
> > > > > RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in
> > > production
> > > > > there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events
> > > > generated
> > > > > by various systems and provides a common repository for many types
> of
> > > > > consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles
> > > > dozens
> > > > > of types of events including trade order process, search, social
> > > network
> > > > > activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ
> > > > clusters
> > > > > process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses
> > > > RocketMQ
> > > > > to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
> > > > >
> > > > > RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to
> > > provide
> > > > > low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending.
> > > Alibaba
> > > > > has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a
> > > > Platform
> > > > > as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
> > > > > https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the
> RocketMQ
> > > > open
> > > > > source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people
> so,
> > > we
> > > > > would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community
> > of
> > > > > developers and users via The Apache Way.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > == Rationale ==
> > > > >
> > > > > As background description, many organizations can benefit from a
> low
> > > > > latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage
> > is
> > > > > varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ
> provides
> > > many
> > > > > features to support many use cases from enterprise application
> > > > integration,
> > > > > to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
> > > > >
> > > > > == Current Status ==
> > > > >
> > > > > === Meritocracy ===
> > > > >
> > > > > The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse
> developer
> > > and
> > > > > user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model.
> > > Since
> > > > > RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the
> > > > website
> > > > > and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and
> > have
> > > > > received 

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[ShaoFeng Shi]

+1 (non-binding)

2016-11-11 9:20 GMT+08:00 Zhanhui Li :

> ++1
>
> Li Zhanhui
>
> We are probably among the first adopters of RocketMQ outside Alibaba. For
> the past three years, this system helps us deliver more than 2 billion
> messages daily. Reliability, scalability, low latency and the ability to
> playback history messages do us a great favor in face of surging business
> expanding. Look forward to its incubation at ASF.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Willem Jiang 
> wrote:
>
> > +1 (binding)
> >
> >
> > Willem Jiang
> >
> > Blog: http://willemjiang.blogspot.com (English)
> >   http://jnn.iteye.com  (Chinese)
> > Twitter: willemjiang
> > Weibo: 姜宁willem
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1 (non-binding)
> > >
> > > On 10 Nov 2016 4:41 pm, "Bruce Snyder"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote
> > on
> > > > accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
> > > >
> > > > [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> > > > [ ] +0 Abstain.
> > > > [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
> > > >
> > > > The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
> > > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
> > > >
> > > > Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
> > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bruce
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > = RocketMQ Proposal =
> > > >
> > > > == Abstract ==
> > > >
> > > > RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed,
> easy
> > to
> > > > use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large
> > amounts
> > > of
> > > > streaming data.
> > > >
> > > > == Proposal ==
> > > >
> > > > RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and
> it
> > > > supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It
> > also
> > > > has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
> > > > provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
> > > > RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop
> for
> > > > offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
> > > >
> > > > == Background ==
> > > >
> > > > RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in
> > production
> > > > there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events
> > > generated
> > > > by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
> > > > consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles
> > > dozens
> > > > of types of events including trade order process, search, social
> > network
> > > > activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ
> > > clusters
> > > > process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses
> > > RocketMQ
> > > > to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
> > > >
> > > > RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to
> > provide
> > > > low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending.
> > Alibaba
> > > > has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a
> > > Platform
> > > > as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
> > > > https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ
> > > open
> > > > source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so,
> > we
> > > > would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community
> of
> > > > developers and users via The Apache Way.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > == Rationale ==
> > > >
> > > > As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
> > > > latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage
> is
> > > > varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides
> > many
> > > > features to support many use cases from enterprise application
> > > integration,
> > > > to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
> > > >
> > > > == Current Status ==
> > > >
> > > > === Meritocracy ===
> > > >
> > > > The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer
> > and
> > > > user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model.
> > Since
> > > > RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the
> > > website
> > > > and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and
> have
> > > > received positive feedback and contributions including clients for
> C++
> > > and
> > > > .NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work
> > with
> > > > those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them
> to
> > > > become committers.
> > > >
> > > > === Community ===
> > > >
> > > > RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for
> 

Re: [DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

[Willem Jiang]

Hi,

As we can see more and more Chinese developer wants to contribute to
 Apache Software Foundation, but they still need to overcome the language
barrier even some technical barriers to really join the community.

I'm prefer to use email instead of IM or forums because all the
discussion can be accessed from public.  But for lot of average Chinese
users , they may not use English as their working language, it could be
hard for them to write English email. With the help of Google Translator,
it could be easy for us to be in the same page if every one use the mailing
list to discuss the issues.

We tried to setup a cxf-zh google group(there were about 2 hundred people)
to encourage the CXF users to discuss question in Chinese during the CXF
incubation, but few people uses it after the Great Fire Wall  started to
block the Services of Google.   It's convenient for the people to talk to
each other within the QQ group in China, but it's hard for people to catch
up the previous talk which happened before he joined the group.  So I think
 we need to encourage Chinese developer to use the mailing list as the
major channel to discussion questions and it could be great if email is
written in English.


Willem Jiang

Blog: http://willemjiang.blogspot.com (English)
  http://jnn.iteye.com  (Chinese)
Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 3:00 AM, Gunnar Tapper 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Using the RocketMQ proposal to start a larger discussion.
>
> Apache Trafodion is another project that has a lot of contribution from
> China.
>
> One of the struggles I've seen is that the contributors aren't that active
> on email. Rather, they prefer to use a forum on QQ communicating in
> Chinese.
>
> I'm currently the release manager and I must admit that it's hard not to
> see all discussions. Several of us are trying to encourage questions etc
> via the email lists but users just prefer Chinese forums.
>
> I suspect that Apache will see more of this behavior moving forward,
> especially as other proposals come in. So, I'm hoping that members in China
> can help advise on what can be done to address communication issues like
> this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gunnar
>
> On Nov 5, 2016 12:21 PM, "Ross Gardler" 
> wrote:
>
> Some folks may remember my state of the feather session a couple of years
> ago when I called for more awareness of the ASFs role in open source beyond
> English speaking countries. This was prompted by a fact finding trip to
> China.
>
> RocketMQ and the team behind it was one of the projects I talked to. We
> discussed the Apache way at length, however I have not been involved with
> this proposal.
>
> I'm excited to see this proposal. I hope we can bring this project and
> welcome the excellent team I met in China into the foundation. We will need
> to work hard to ensure the project is a success. Like other China born
> projects we will find that there are cultural differences that we need to
> understand, but this would not be the first time we, as a foundation and as
> individuals, accept an opportunity to grow in this way. Having met some of
> the proposing team I am confident that with the right mentors the project
> can succeed.
>
> Bruce, thanks for stepping up to help.
>
> Ross
>
> ---
> Twitter: @rgardler
>
> 
> From: Bruce Snyder 
> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 9:21:47 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] RocketMQ Incubation Proposal
>
> Hi John,
>
> Proposals for new ASF projects are offered to this list for constructive
> feedback. I am happy to help steer the RocketMQ proposal and project using
> your suggestions.
>
> First, as explained previously in this discussion thread by Von Gosling,
> there was some company IP that was mistakenly committed to the Github
> repository and through a '...unlucky... scavenging activity' the history
> was
> erased, as Von put it. I interpret this to mean that someone's git-fu went
> awry which unintentionally caused the history to be removed. Von also gives
> further explanation of the project history in a response below. Indeed,
> this is an unfortunate situation (and one that I've seen before with git),
> but should this prevent the project from coming to the ASF to improve and
> grow under the auspices of the ASF and The Apache Way?
>
> Second, regarding your statement: 'and its a bit surprising, since Bruce is
> the chair of one of the competitors' -- All projects at the ASF exist
> together regardless of their focus and all projects needs good mentors,
> regardless of whether they are seen as competing or not. My interest in
> helping the RocketMQ project is no different than my interest in continuing
> to be involved with the ActiveMQ project. I have nearly 15 years experience
> at the ASF and I'm not here to play games and favor one project over
> another. I continue to be involved with the ASF to 

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Zhanhui Li]

++1

Li Zhanhui

We are probably among the first adopters of RocketMQ outside Alibaba. For
the past three years, this system helps us deliver more than 2 billion
messages daily. Reliability, scalability, low latency and the ability to
playback history messages do us a great favor in face of surging business
expanding. Look forward to its incubation at ASF.


On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Willem Jiang 
wrote:

> +1 (binding)
>
>
> Willem Jiang
>
> Blog: http://willemjiang.blogspot.com (English)
>   http://jnn.iteye.com  (Chinese)
> Twitter: willemjiang
> Weibo: 姜宁willem
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes 
> wrote:
>
> > +1 (non-binding)
> >
> > On 10 Nov 2016 4:41 pm, "Bruce Snyder"  wrote:
> >
> > > Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote
> on
> > > accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
> > >
> > > [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> > > [ ] +0 Abstain.
> > > [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
> > >
> > > The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
> > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
> > >
> > > Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
> > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > > = RocketMQ Proposal =
> > >
> > > == Abstract ==
> > >
> > > RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy
> to
> > > use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large
> amounts
> > of
> > > streaming data.
> > >
> > > == Proposal ==
> > >
> > > RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
> > > supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It
> also
> > > has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
> > > provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
> > > RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
> > > offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
> > >
> > > == Background ==
> > >
> > > RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in
> production
> > > there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events
> > generated
> > > by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
> > > consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles
> > dozens
> > > of types of events including trade order process, search, social
> network
> > > activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ
> > clusters
> > > process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses
> > RocketMQ
> > > to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
> > >
> > > RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to
> provide
> > > low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending.
> Alibaba
> > > has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a
> > Platform
> > > as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
> > > https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ
> > open
> > > source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so,
> we
> > > would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
> > > developers and users via The Apache Way.
> > >
> > >
> > > == Rationale ==
> > >
> > > As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
> > > latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
> > > varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides
> many
> > > features to support many use cases from enterprise application
> > integration,
> > > to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
> > >
> > > == Current Status ==
> > >
> > > === Meritocracy ===
> > >
> > > The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer
> and
> > > user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model.
> Since
> > > RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the
> > website
> > > and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
> > > received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++
> > and
> > > .NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work
> with
> > > those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
> > > become committers.
> > >
> > > === Community ===
> > >
> > > RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
> > > where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have
> active
> > > users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
> > > including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
> > > http://www.schneider-electric.com/), the China Railway Ministry
> official
> > > ticketing website, China Union, Sina, Umei 

??????[VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[????]

+1 




--  --
??: "Bruce Snyder";;
: 2016??11??11??(??) 0:41
??: "general"; 

: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator



Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.

[ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
[ ] +0 Abstain.
[ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...

The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal

Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html

Thanks,

Bruce


= RocketMQ Proposal =

== Abstract ==

RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy to
use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large amounts of
streaming data.

== Proposal ==

RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It also
has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.

== Background ==

RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in production
there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events generated
by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles dozens
of types of events including trade order process, search, social network
activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ clusters
process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses RocketMQ
to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.

RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to provide
low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending. Alibaba
has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a Platform
as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ open
source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so, we
would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
developers and users via The Apache Way.


== Rationale ==

As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides many
features to support many use cases from enterprise application integration,
to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.

== Current Status ==

=== Meritocracy ===

The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer and
user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model. Since
RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the website
and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++ and
.NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work with
those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
become committers.

=== Community ===

RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have active
users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
http://www.schneider-electric.com/), the China Railway Ministry official
ticketing website, China Union, Sina, Umei (http://sh.jumei.com), Chinese
Academy of Sciences and many more. We hope to grow the base of contributors
by inviting all those who offer significant contributions and excel through
the use of The Apache Way. Contributions from outside of Alibaba are now
being received by the RocketMQ project, including a dashboard, the
flume-rocketmq module, the storm-rocketmq and more.

To further this goal, the project currently makes use of GitHub project
features as well as a public mailing list via Google Groups.


=== Core Developers ===

RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers from Alibaba and
Yeahmobi: Xiaorui Wang, Von Gosling, Jiangwei Jiang, Xinyu Zhou, Zhanhui
Li. Xiaorui Wang, one of Alibaba MOM project owners is also the originator
of the RocketMQ project. He has rich experience with open source software,
as well as being active within the RocketMQ community. Von Gosling, another
MOM project owner at Alibaba and co-creator of the RocketMQ project, is an
active open source software committer and has been an active contributor to
several projects in Alibaba, Apache community and Google 

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Justin Mclean]

+1 binding

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Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Willem Jiang]

+1 (binding)


Willem Jiang

Blog: http://willemjiang.blogspot.com (English)
  http://jnn.iteye.com  (Chinese)
Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes 
wrote:

> +1 (non-binding)
>
> On 10 Nov 2016 4:41 pm, "Bruce Snyder"  wrote:
>
> > Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
> > accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
> >
> > [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> > [ ] +0 Abstain.
> > [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
> >
> > The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
> >
> > Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > = RocketMQ Proposal =
> >
> > == Abstract ==
> >
> > RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy to
> > use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large amounts
> of
> > streaming data.
> >
> > == Proposal ==
> >
> > RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
> > supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It also
> > has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
> > provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
> > RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
> > offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
> >
> > == Background ==
> >
> > RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in production
> > there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events
> generated
> > by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
> > consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles
> dozens
> > of types of events including trade order process, search, social network
> > activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ
> clusters
> > process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses
> RocketMQ
> > to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
> >
> > RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to provide
> > low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending. Alibaba
> > has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a
> Platform
> > as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
> > https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ
> open
> > source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so, we
> > would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
> > developers and users via The Apache Way.
> >
> >
> > == Rationale ==
> >
> > As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
> > latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
> > varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides many
> > features to support many use cases from enterprise application
> integration,
> > to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
> >
> > == Current Status ==
> >
> > === Meritocracy ===
> >
> > The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer and
> > user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model. Since
> > RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the
> website
> > and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
> > received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++
> and
> > .NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work with
> > those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
> > become committers.
> >
> > === Community ===
> >
> > RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
> > where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have active
> > users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
> > including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
> > http://www.schneider-electric.com/), the China Railway Ministry official
> > ticketing website, China Union, Sina, Umei (http://sh.jumei.com),
> Chinese
> > Academy of Sciences and many more. We hope to grow the base of
> contributors
> > by inviting all those who offer significant contributions and excel
> through
> > the use of The Apache Way. Contributions from outside of Alibaba are now
> > being received by the RocketMQ project, including a dashboard, the
> > flume-rocketmq module, the storm-rocketmq and more.
> >
> > To further this goal, the project currently makes use of GitHub project
> > features as well as a public mailing list via Google Groups.
> >
> >
> > === Core Developers ===
> >
> > RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers from Alibaba and
> > Yeahmobi: Xiaorui Wang, Von 

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Stian Soiland-Reyes]

+1 (non-binding)

On 10 Nov 2016 4:41 pm, "Bruce Snyder"  wrote:

> Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
> accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
>
> [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> [ ] +0 Abstain.
> [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
>
> The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
>
> Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce
>
>
> = RocketMQ Proposal =
>
> == Abstract ==
>
> RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy to
> use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large amounts of
> streaming data.
>
> == Proposal ==
>
> RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
> supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It also
> has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
> provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
> RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
> offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
>
> == Background ==
>
> RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in production
> there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events generated
> by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
> consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles dozens
> of types of events including trade order process, search, social network
> activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ clusters
> process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses RocketMQ
> to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
>
> RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to provide
> low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending. Alibaba
> has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a Platform
> as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
> https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ open
> source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so, we
> would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
> developers and users via The Apache Way.
>
>
> == Rationale ==
>
> As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
> latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
> varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides many
> features to support many use cases from enterprise application integration,
> to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
>
> == Current Status ==
>
> === Meritocracy ===
>
> The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer and
> user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model. Since
> RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the website
> and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
> received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++ and
> .NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work with
> those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
> become committers.
>
> === Community ===
>
> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
> where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have active
> users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
> including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
> http://www.schneider-electric.com/), the China Railway Ministry official
> ticketing website, China Union, Sina, Umei (http://sh.jumei.com), Chinese
> Academy of Sciences and many more. We hope to grow the base of contributors
> by inviting all those who offer significant contributions and excel through
> the use of The Apache Way. Contributions from outside of Alibaba are now
> being received by the RocketMQ project, including a dashboard, the
> flume-rocketmq module, the storm-rocketmq and more.
>
> To further this goal, the project currently makes use of GitHub project
> features as well as a public mailing list via Google Groups.
>
>
> === Core Developers ===
>
> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers from Alibaba and
> Yeahmobi: Xiaorui Wang, Von Gosling, Jiangwei Jiang, Xinyu Zhou, Zhanhui
> Li. Xiaorui Wang, one of Alibaba MOM project owners is also the originator
> of the RocketMQ project. He has rich experience with open source software,
> as well as being active within the RocketMQ community. Von Gosling, another
> MOM project owner at Alibaba and co-creator of the RocketMQ project, is an
> active open source software committer and has been an active contributor to
> several projects in Alibaba, Apache 

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Streams 0.4-incubating

[sblackmon]

 
Responses in-line.

On November 10, 2016 at 4:51:06 PM, Ate Douma 
(a...@douma.nu(mailto:a...@douma.nu)) wrote:  
> > Steve,
> >  
>  
> >  
> > I have a few additional notes below.  
> >  
> > As a separate note: can you check your mail reply quote/indent settings?  
> > Sometimes your replies (like below) are not using any, which makes it very
> >  
>  
> > difficult to distinguish your reply from the original message.
> >  
>  
>  

They all look terrific in my Airmail client, both in drafts and in sent mail. 
Hopefully this reply looks better?

>  
> > Thanks, Ate  
> >  
> > On 2016-11-10 21:27, sblackmon wrote:  
> > > Stian,
> >  
>  
> > >
> >  
>  
> > > Thank you for the feedback! A few notes in-line below
> >  
>  
> > >
> >  
>  
> > > Steve
> >  
>  
> > > On November 10, 2016 at 1:55:37 PM, Stian Soiland-Reyes 
> > > (st...@apache.org) wrote:
> >  
>  
> > >
> >  
>  
> > > streams-master and incubator-streams-examples git repositories are
> >  
>  
> > > missing LICENSE, NOTICE, DISCLAIMER (but they are there in the Release
> >  
>  
> > > Candidate)
> >  
>  
> >  
> > > These files get added at build time by an apache maven plugin.  
> >  
> > Actually Stian makes an important point: the -master and -examples git  
> > repositories should have a root LICENSE, NOTICE and DISCLAIMER of their own.
> >  
>  
> > 

Opened STREAMS-455  

> > >  
> > > For the next release, could you add "apache-" as prefix to the archive
> >  
>  
> > > filenames? This is not a requirement, but a good trademark measure.
> >  
>  
> > >
> >  
>  
> >  
> > > We have discussed this and failed to reach a consensus that doing so was 
> > > universal practice, or worth the trouble at this stage of the project.  
> >  
> > I seem to have missed that (or forgot about it), but I'd be +1 to do this.  
> > 

Reopened STREAMS-316 for a formal discussion / vote.  

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Re: [FINAL] Incubator PMC Board Report - November 2016

[Roman Shaposhnik]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:45 PM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> On Nov 10, 2016 17:40, "Roman Shaposhnik"  wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Greg Stein  wrote:
>> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Roman Shaposhnik 
>> > wrote:
>> >>...
>> >
>> >> It just comes from my own experience of serving as an Incubator VP a
> few
>> >> years ago. What I used to do is to add proposed resolutions to the:
>> >>foundation/board/board_agenda_.txt
>> >> when they came. Perhaps that wasn't a required step and posting of
>> >> a resolution to the board@ is all that needs to happen. Hence me asking
>> >> Ted to do the same here.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I very much recommend getting reports and resolutions inserted into the
>> > agenda, at the same time it is emailed to board@ ... There have been
> many
>> > times where the Board has missed a resolution because it only went to
> the
>> > mailing list.
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification. It seems we have to update the policy doc to
>> suggest this step. I'll do it shortly.
>
> Which doc?

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#top-level-board-proposal

Thanks,
Roman.

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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Streams 0.4-incubating

[Ate Douma]

Steve,

I have a few additional notes below.

As a separate note: can you check your mail reply quote/indent settings?
Sometimes your replies (like below) are not using any, which makes it very
difficult to distinguish your reply from the original message.

Thanks, Ate

On 2016-11-10 21:27, sblackmon wrote:

Stian,

Thank you for the feedback!  A few notes in-line below

Steve
On November 10, 2016 at 1:55:37 PM, Stian Soiland-Reyes (st...@apache.org) 
wrote:

streams-master and incubator-streams-examples git repositories are
missing LICENSE, NOTICE, DISCLAIMER (but they are there in the Release
Candidate)



These files get added at build time by an apache maven plugin.


Actually Stian makes an important point: the -master and -examples git
repositories should have a root LICENSE, NOTICE and DISCLAIMER of their own.



For the next release, could you add "apache-" as prefix to the archive
filenames? This is not a requirement, but a good trademark measure.




We have discussed this and failed to reach a consensus that doing so was 
universal practice, or worth the trouble at this stage of the project.


I seem to have missed that (or forgot about it), but I'd be +1 to do this.


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Re: [FINAL] Incubator PMC Board Report - November 2016

[John D. Ament]

On Nov 10, 2016 17:40, "Roman Shaposhnik"  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Greg Stein  wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Roman Shaposhnik 
> > wrote:
> >>...
> >
> >> It just comes from my own experience of serving as an Incubator VP a
few
> >> years ago. What I used to do is to add proposed resolutions to the:
> >>foundation/board/board_agenda_.txt
> >> when they came. Perhaps that wasn't a required step and posting of
> >> a resolution to the board@ is all that needs to happen. Hence me asking
> >> Ted to do the same here.
> >>
> >
> > I very much recommend getting reports and resolutions inserted into the
> > agenda, at the same time it is emailed to board@ ... There have been
many
> > times where the Board has missed a resolution because it only went to
the
> > mailing list.
>
> Thanks for the clarification. It seems we have to update the policy doc to
> suggest this step. I'll do it shortly.

Which doc?

>
> > If you don't have karma to insert it yourself, then just find somebody.
Any
> > VP or Member should be able to insert the item into the agenda.
>
> Done!
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
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Re: [FINAL] Incubator PMC Board Report - November 2016

[Roman Shaposhnik]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Greg Stein  wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Roman Shaposhnik 
> wrote:
>>...
>
>> It just comes from my own experience of serving as an Incubator VP a few
>> years ago. What I used to do is to add proposed resolutions to the:
>>foundation/board/board_agenda_.txt
>> when they came. Perhaps that wasn't a required step and posting of
>> a resolution to the board@ is all that needs to happen. Hence me asking
>> Ted to do the same here.
>>
>
> I very much recommend getting reports and resolutions inserted into the
> agenda, at the same time it is emailed to board@ ... There have been many
> times where the Board has missed a resolution because it only went to the
> mailing list.

Thanks for the clarification. It seems we have to update the policy doc to
suggest this step. I'll do it shortly.

> If you don't have karma to insert it yourself, then just find somebody. Any
> VP or Member should be able to insert the item into the agenda.

Done!

Thanks,
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Re: [FINAL] Incubator PMC Board Report - November 2016

[Greg Stein]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Roman Shaposhnik 
wrote:
>...

> It just comes from my own experience of serving as an Incubator VP a few
> years ago. What I used to do is to add proposed resolutions to the:
>foundation/board/board_agenda_.txt
> when they came. Perhaps that wasn't a required step and posting of
> a resolution to the board@ is all that needs to happen. Hence me asking
> Ted to do the same here.
>

I very much recommend getting reports and resolutions inserted into the
agenda, at the same time it is emailed to board@ ... There have been many
times where the Board has missed a resolution because it only went to the
mailing list.

If you don't have karma to insert it yourself, then just find somebody. Any
VP or Member should be able to insert the item into the agenda.

>...

Cheers,
-g

Re: [FINAL] Incubator PMC Board Report - November 2016

[John D. Ament]

On Nov 10, 2016 15:05, "Roman Shaposhnik"  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 3:40 AM, John D. Ament 
wrote:
> > In addition, I'm a bit confused over the role you're expecting Ted to
fill
> > on this one.
>
> It just comes from my own experience of serving as an Incubator VP a few
> years ago. What I used to do is to add proposed resolutions to the:
>foundation/board/board_agenda_.txt
> when they came. Perhaps that wasn't a required step and posting of
> a resolution to the board@ is all that needs to happen. Hence me asking
> Ted to do the same here.
>
> Would love for some of the board members on this list to set the record
> straight on this one.
>
> > I would wait to see if there's any comments from board members before a
> > mentor or similar posts the resolution to the agenda.
> >
> > It may behoove the podling to have the proposed VP email the
resolution  Or
> > have a highly experienced mentor do it.
>
> That actually already happened. Which means is that if the svn commit step
> to board_agenda_.txt  is NOT required -- we're all done.

SVN commit is required AFAIK, but I've been told it has to go to the boards
ML first.

>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
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Re: Looking for a mentor for Gossip and Rya

[Josh Elser]

Thanks, John! Will do that now before I forget.

John D. Ament wrote:

That and update podlings.xml

On Nov 10, 2016 15:04, "Josh Elser"  wrote:

Actaully, I should probably ask: is there any sort of formal process we
need to go through to officially add a new mentor on a podling? Or, simply
add her name to http://incubator.apache.org/projects/rya.html?


Josh Elser wrote:


Thanks for volunteering, Billie! We're very lucky to have you.

Billie Rinaldi wrote:


I can help out with mentoring Rya.

Billie

On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 00:03:48 -, Sean Busbey  wrote:
Subject: Looking for a mentor for Gossip and Rya

Hi Folks!

Sadly, other commitments in my life require that I step down the
amount of
volunteer time I spend on the ASF. I had originally thought that I'd
still
have time for mentoring the two podlings I've been involved with (Gossip
and Rya), but it doesn't look that way.

As such, I'm hoping someone on general@ might be convinced to step up in
either case. My need to step aside should not reflect on the podlings
themselves; they're both doing just fine for where they are in terms of
project maturity.

If the particular technology aims matter:

Apache Gossip (incubating) is creating a foundational library for
distributed systems to use the gossip protocol to make peer-to-peer
networks. It's written in Java.

Apache RYA (incubating) is an RDF triple store built on top of sparse
key-value stores (specifically Apache Accumulo is currently the robust
exemplar implementation). It is also written (mostly) in Java.

I'd say Rya is farther along the path to graduation, but neither podling
is particularly demanding in terms of kinds-of or amounts-of attention
required.

Anyone interested in transitioning onto one or both?

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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Streams 0.4-incubating

[sblackmon]

Stian,

Thank you for the feedback!  A few notes in-line below

Steve
On November 10, 2016 at 1:55:37 PM, Stian Soiland-Reyes (st...@apache.org) 
wrote:

My vote: +1 (non-binding) 

Checked: 
+1 checksums 
+1 mvn repo vs -source-release.zip checksums 
+0 gpg signatures missing from dist, correct in mvn repo. KEYS not updated. 
+1 git tags match source dists (Except git is missing license files) 
+1 mvn apache-rat:check 
+1 no unexpected binaries 
+0 mvn clean install fails in test (order master/project/examples) 
+1 dependencies have compatible licenses (puh!) 
+1 LICENSE 
+1 NOTICE 
+1 DISCLAIMER 


The build takes quite a long time, which I guess is natural 
considering the number of integrations. However I get a failure: 

[INFO] streams-plugin-hbase ... FAILURE [ 24.636 s] 
There are some OS / Maven / JDK combinations that can exhibit this behavior.  
The workaround is to supply

-Djava.util.Arrays.useLegacyMergeSort=true

as part of -DargLine to maven.

All the other modules build fine. 


streams-master and incubator-streams-examples git repositories are 
missing LICENSE, NOTICE, DISCLAIMER (but they are there in the Release 
Candidate) 
These files get added at build time by an apache maven plugin.


For GitHub a README.md would also help. 


I’ve just noticed that streams-master lacks a README in the root directory.  
I’ll add one.

The build depends on the repository 
https://repository.cloudera.com/artifactory/cloudera-repos 
Why? This repository seems to slow down building a lot. 

Perhaps this could be enabled only in the modules that need it? 
Is it cloudera-packaged dependencies like 
org.apache.hadoop:cloudera-jets3t:jar:2.0.0-cdh4.6.0:provided and 
org.apache.pig:pig:jar:0.11.0-cdh4.6.0 ? 

(Full list of dependencies: 
https://gist.github.com/stain/87fd275fc5f9cc2c80c3c0f5d6c962f1 ) 

This repository seems to pull in various re-packaging of Apache 
products, for instance 
./org/apache/hbase/hbase/0.94.6-cdh4.5.0/hbase-0.94.6-cdh4.5.0.pom 

You are right, we had a issue opened some time ago to switch those out for 
apache distribution dependencies.

Looks like it was closed prematurely.  I’ve re-opened it and tagged it for 0.5


https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/STREAMS/0.4-incubating+rc3+release+logs
 
Very good release preparation log! 

Thanks!


You need to add these *.asc files to the dist-folder: 

https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachestreams-1019/org/apache/streams/streams-master/0.4-incubating/streams-master-0.4-incubating-source-release.zip.asc
 
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachestreams-1019/org/apache/streams/streams-project/0.4-incubating/streams-project-0.4-incubating-source-release.zip.asc
 
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachestreams-1019/org/apache/streams/streams-examples/0.4-incubating/streams-examples-0.4-incubating-source-release.zip.asc
 

(They do correctly verify against the files in dist, so I've used those :) 

The *.asc files have been added to the svn dist release area.  The release 
process document does mention them but they slipped through the cracks when 
moving artifacts from nexus to svn dist dev.

You should *append* the sblackmon.asc key to the existing file 
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/streams/KEYS 

..o that it will contain both letourn...@apache.org and 
sblack...@apache.org keys. It's OK to do this before this RC has been 
approved. 

Thanks for mentioning this - I didn’t know about this file or it’s 
significance.  Adding my key there now.


For the next release, could you add "apache-" as prefix to the archive 
filenames? This is not a requirement, but a good trademark measure. 

We have discussed this and failed to reach a consensus that doing so was 
universal practice, or worth the trouble at this stage of the project. 

Agree with John that the names of the repositories/archives is not 
very intuitive.. particularly as "master" is the head branch of git, 
and download of the current master from GitHub would typically append 
-master to the filename. 
(e.g. contains the folder incubator-streams-master-master/ ) 


In Taverna releases we have similar issue due to multiple git repos 
and versioning - we called it "taverna-parent" in its artifactid, 
incubator-taverna-maven-parent as git repo name and 
apache-taverna-parent-2-incubating-source-release.zip as filename 
(see https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/taverna/source/ 
) 

I'm not saying that's a very good or consistent way (three names!) but 
I think at least something with "parent" would be better than 
"master". 
This is good advice.  We’ll discuss on the project dev list.



Perhaps "core" is better than "project"? In a way your "master" is 
also the project as it has the site.. 


This is good advice.  We’ll discuss on the project dev list.




Build tested with: 

stain@biggiebuntu:/tmp/streams-rc$ mvn -v 
Apache Maven 3.3.9 

Re: Looking for a mentor for Gossip and Rya

[John D. Ament]

That and update podlings.xml

On Nov 10, 2016 15:04, "Josh Elser"  wrote:

Actaully, I should probably ask: is there any sort of formal process we
need to go through to officially add a new mentor on a podling? Or, simply
add her name to http://incubator.apache.org/projects/rya.html?


Josh Elser wrote:

> Thanks for volunteering, Billie! We're very lucky to have you.
>
> Billie Rinaldi wrote:
>
>> I can help out with mentoring Rya.
>>
>> Billie
>>
>> On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 00:03:48 -, Sean Busbey wrote:
>> Subject: Looking for a mentor for Gossip and Rya
>>
>> Hi Folks!
>>>
>>> Sadly, other commitments in my life require that I step down the
>>> amount of
>>> volunteer time I spend on the ASF. I had originally thought that I'd
>>> still
>>> have time for mentoring the two podlings I've been involved with (Gossip
>>> and Rya), but it doesn't look that way.
>>>
>>> As such, I'm hoping someone on general@ might be convinced to step up in
>>> either case. My need to step aside should not reflect on the podlings
>>> themselves; they're both doing just fine for where they are in terms of
>>> project maturity.
>>>
>>> If the particular technology aims matter:
>>>
>>> Apache Gossip (incubating) is creating a foundational library for
>>> distributed systems to use the gossip protocol to make peer-to-peer
>>> networks. It's written in Java.
>>>
>>> Apache RYA (incubating) is an RDF triple store built on top of sparse
>>> key-value stores (specifically Apache Accumulo is currently the robust
>>> exemplar implementation). It is also written (mostly) in Java.
>>>
>>> I'd say Rya is farther along the path to graduation, but neither podling
>>> is particularly demanding in terms of kinds-of or amounts-of attention
>>> required.
>>>
>>> Anyone interested in transitioning onto one or both?
>>>
>>> -busbey
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[P. Taylor Goetz]

+1 (binding)

-Taylor

> On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Bruce Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
> accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
> 
> [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> [ ] +0 Abstain.
> [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
> 
> The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:

Re: [FINAL] Incubator PMC Board Report - November 2016

[Roman Shaposhnik]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 3:40 AM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> In addition, I'm a bit confused over the role you're expecting Ted to fill
> on this one.

It just comes from my own experience of serving as an Incubator VP a few
years ago. What I used to do is to add proposed resolutions to the:
   foundation/board/board_agenda_.txt
when they came. Perhaps that wasn't a required step and posting of
a resolution to the board@ is all that needs to happen. Hence me asking
Ted to do the same here.

Would love for some of the board members on this list to set the record
straight on this one.

> I would wait to see if there's any comments from board members before a
> mentor or similar posts the resolution to the agenda.
>
> It may behoove the podling to have the proposed VP email the resolution  Or
> have a highly experienced mentor do it.

That actually already happened. Which means is that if the svn commit step
to board_agenda_.txt  is NOT required -- we're all done.

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Re: Looking for a mentor for Gossip and Rya

[Josh Elser]

Actaully, I should probably ask: is there any sort of formal process we 
need to go through to officially add a new mentor on a podling? Or, 
simply add her name to http://incubator.apache.org/projects/rya.html?


Josh Elser wrote:

Thanks for volunteering, Billie! We're very lucky to have you.

Billie Rinaldi wrote:

I can help out with mentoring Rya.

Billie

On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 00:03:48 -, Sean Busbey wrote:
Subject: Looking for a mentor for Gossip and Rya


Hi Folks!

Sadly, other commitments in my life require that I step down the
amount of
volunteer time I spend on the ASF. I had originally thought that I'd
still
have time for mentoring the two podlings I've been involved with (Gossip
and Rya), but it doesn't look that way.

As such, I'm hoping someone on general@ might be convinced to step up in
either case. My need to step aside should not reflect on the podlings
themselves; they're both doing just fine for where they are in terms of
project maturity.

If the particular technology aims matter:

Apache Gossip (incubating) is creating a foundational library for
distributed systems to use the gossip protocol to make peer-to-peer
networks. It's written in Java.

Apache RYA (incubating) is an RDF triple store built on top of sparse
key-value stores (specifically Apache Accumulo is currently the robust
exemplar implementation). It is also written (mostly) in Java.

I'd say Rya is farther along the path to graduation, but neither podling
is particularly demanding in terms of kinds-of or amounts-of attention
required.

Anyone interested in transitioning onto one or both?

-busbey




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Re: New git mirror created: incubator.git

[Roman Shaposhnik]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 3:36 AM, John D. Ament  wrote:
> Roman,
>
> Here's where I sent out the experiment idea to the group -
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/927db43fa0221bcf862088d495be2d15ce433c4bd20f4de8715bb8ae@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
>
> There's actually been quite a few colorful conversations about this on
> hipchat with infra.  Ranging from naming the test domain to "
> johndament-test.apache.org" to "we need to split the incubator repo."  Its
> also highlighted a few challenges Greg didn't realize were there -
> something's broke a bit in buildbot when it comes to adding new configs.
> The other interesting thing, it's almost all self service.  Other than
> whatever work is needed to add the host/URI, its all there for any PMC
> member to kick off a prototype quickly using the new services from infra.

Thanks for the background. I guess my biggest question is what's
the easiest way to keep an eye on this experiment. Given my time
constraints I can't volunteer to help with direct contributions, but
given how personally excited I am about the direction -- I'd be more
than happy to serve as a user guinea pig.

> My goal - purely selfish - to avoid the extra build required to have a
> podling's website update, so that no one has to login to CMS to promote
> their chanes.  This is going to require a lot of extra documentation
> though, those updating the website don't seem to know how to check it
> locally.  There was an issue with metron recently where they deleted their
> landing page due to an error in HTML syntax.  By automating from the commit
> level, the website changes go live when someone pushes their code up.

Totally hear you! In fact, truth be told, everytime I nee to update podling
status I feel like that extra level of things I need to do forces me to do
only bulk updates. If we can fix that by making the process super simple
that'd be awesome!

Thanks,
Roman.

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Re: Looking for a mentor for Gossip and Rya

[Josh Elser]

Thanks for volunteering, Billie! We're very lucky to have you.

Billie Rinaldi wrote:

I can help out with mentoring Rya.

Billie

On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 00:03:48 -, Sean Busbey  wrote:
Subject: Looking for a mentor for Gossip and Rya


Hi Folks!

Sadly, other commitments in my life require that I step down the amount of
volunteer time I spend on the ASF. I had originally thought that I'd still
have time for mentoring the two podlings I've been involved with (Gossip
and Rya), but it doesn't look that way.

As such, I'm hoping someone on general@ might be convinced to step up in
either case. My need to step aside should not reflect on the podlings
themselves; they're both doing just fine for where they are in terms of
project maturity.

If the particular technology aims matter:

Apache Gossip (incubating) is creating a foundational library for
distributed systems to use the gossip protocol to make peer-to-peer
networks. It's written in Java.

Apache RYA (incubating) is an RDF triple store built on top of sparse
key-value stores (specifically Apache Accumulo is currently the robust
exemplar implementation). It is also written (mostly) in Java.

I'd say Rya is farther along the path to graduation, but neither podling
is particularly demanding in terms of kinds-of or amounts-of attention
required.

Anyone interested in transitioning onto one or both?

-busbey




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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Streams 0.4-incubating

[Stian Soiland-Reyes]

My vote: +1 (non-binding)

Checked:
+1 checksums
+1 mvn repo vs -source-release.zip checksums
+0 gpg signatures missing from dist, correct in mvn repo. KEYS not updated.
+1 git tags match source dists (Except git is missing license files)
+1 mvn apache-rat:check
+1 no unexpected binaries
+0 mvn clean install fails in test (order master/project/examples)
+1 dependencies have compatible licenses (puh!)
+1 LICENSE
+1 NOTICE
+1 DISCLAIMER


The build takes quite a long time, which I guess is natural
considering the number of integrations. However I get a failure:

[INFO] streams-plugin-hbase ... FAILURE [ 24.636 s]

Tests run: 1, Failures: 0, Errors: 1, Skipped: 0, Time elapsed: 4.26
sec <<< FAILURE! - in
org.apache.streams.plugins.test.StreamsHbaseResourceGeneratorTest
StreamsHbaseResourceGenerator(org.apache.streams.plugins.test.StreamsHbaseResourceGeneratorTest)
 Time elapsed: 3.72 sec  <<< ERROR!
java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Comparison method violates its
general contract!
at 
org.apache.streams.plugins.test.StreamsHbaseResourceGeneratorTest.StreamsHbaseResourceGenerator(StreamsHbaseResourceGeneratorTest.java:79)


Results :

Tests in error:
  StreamsHbaseResourceGeneratorCLITest.testStreamsHiveResourceGeneratorCLI:47
» IllegalArgument
  StreamsHbaseResourceGeneratorTest.StreamsHbaseResourceGenerator:79 »
IllegalArgument

mvn install -DskipTests=true works on streams-plugin-hbase to bypass
the error, so no blocker for me this time.

All the other modules build fine.


streams-master and incubator-streams-examples git repositories are
missing LICENSE, NOTICE, DISCLAIMER (but they are there in the Release
Candidate)
For GitHub a README.md would also help.


The build depends on the repository
https://repository.cloudera.com/artifactory/cloudera-repos
Why?   This repository seems to slow down building a lot.

Perhaps this could be enabled only in the modules that need it?
Is it cloudera-packaged dependencies like
org.apache.hadoop:cloudera-jets3t:jar:2.0.0-cdh4.6.0:provided and
org.apache.pig:pig:jar:0.11.0-cdh4.6.0 ?

(Full list of dependencies:
https://gist.github.com/stain/87fd275fc5f9cc2c80c3c0f5d6c962f1 )

This repository seems to pull in  various re-packaging of Apache
products, for instance
./org/apache/hbase/hbase/0.94.6-cdh4.5.0/hbase-0.94.6-cdh4.5.0.pom


which have a modified POM file like

  
com.cloudera.cdh
cdh-root
4.5.0

  

  org.apache.hbase
  hbase
  jar


Would you know if these contain any code modifications since their
original version? In this case they can't be called "Apache HBase"!

Other "cloudera" greps:
https://gist.github.com/stain/0ae341b45f00a3d25dc917af5e4e5f90



https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/STREAMS/0.4-incubating+rc3+release+logs
Very good release preparation log!



You need to add these *.asc files to the dist-folder:

https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachestreams-1019/org/apache/streams/streams-master/0.4-incubating/streams-master-0.4-incubating-source-release.zip.asc
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachestreams-1019/org/apache/streams/streams-project/0.4-incubating/streams-project-0.4-incubating-source-release.zip.asc
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachestreams-1019/org/apache/streams/streams-examples/0.4-incubating/streams-examples-0.4-incubating-source-release.zip.asc

(They do correctly verify against the files in dist, so I've used those :)


You should *append* the sblackmon.asc key to the existing file
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/streams/KEYS

..o that it will contain both letourn...@apache.org and
sblack...@apache.org keys. It's OK to do this before this RC has been
approved.



For the next release, could you add "apache-" as prefix to the archive
filenames? This is not a requirement, but a good trademark measure.


Agree with John that the names of the repositories/archives is not
very intuitive.. particularly as "master" is the head branch of git,
and download of the current master from GitHub would typically append
-master to the filename.
(e.g.  contains the folder incubator-streams-master-master/ )


In Taverna releases we have similar issue due to multiple git repos
and versioning - we called it "taverna-parent" in its artifactid,
incubator-taverna-maven-parent as git repo name and
apache-taverna-parent-2-incubating-source-release.zip as filename
(see  https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/taverna/source/
)

I'm not saying that's a very good or consistent way (three names!) but
I think at least something with "parent" would be better than
"master".

Perhaps "core" is better than "project"?  In a way your "master" is
also the project as it has the site..






Build tested with:

stain@biggiebuntu:/tmp/streams-rc$ mvn -v
Apache Maven 3.3.9 (bb52d8502b132ec0a5a3f4c09453c07478323dc5;
2015-11-10T16:41:47+00:00)
Maven home: /home/stain/software/maven
Java version: 1.8.0_111, vendor: Oracle 

Re: [VOTE] Apache SystemML 0.11.0-incubating (RC5)

[John D. Ament]

Hi,

So I'm comfortable giving a +1 on the release source tarball.  It looks
complete enough to pass.

I am generally concerned about the release management on the podling.  We
can follow up.

John

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 1:51 PM Luciano Resende 
wrote:

> Ping, are there any other issues to be resolved ? Otherwise we would really
> like to have this reviewed in time for our session on Apache Big Data early
> next week.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2016, Luciano Resende 
> wrote:
>
> > We have reviewed and reduced the number of artifacts for RC5 :
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/systemml/0.
> > 11.0-incubating-rc5/
> >
> > It only contains the following now :
> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-bin.tar.gz
> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-bin.tar.gz.asc
> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-bin.tar.gz.md5
> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-bin.tar.gz.sha
> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-bin.zip
> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-bin.zip.asc
> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-bin.zip.md5
> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-bin.zip.sha
> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.tar.gz
> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.tar.gz.asc
> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.tar.gz.md5
> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.tar.gz.sha
> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.zip
> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.zip.asc
> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.zip.md5
> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.zip.sha
> >
> >
> > There is also a blocking jira that we are working for future releases.
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SYSTEMML-926
> >
> > Based on this, here is my +1.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 12:16 PM, John D. Ament  > > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Deron,
> >>
> >> Here's an example from a release I did recently for a TLP to give you
> some
> >> guidance.  https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/deltaspike/1.7.2/
> >> (and
> >> i'm sure others may find some errors in what I did - no one's perfect)
> >>
> >> In this release, for each file there are 3 accompanying files - the
> .asc,
> >> .sha1. and the .md5.  Your release is missing sha1's, but i'm not sure
> >> that's too important.
> >>
> >> The overall release contents are made up of:
> >>
> >> - Source ZIP file
> >> - POM file for the root of the project
> >> - The convenience binary zip
> >> - The convenience binary .tar.gz
> >>
> >> I actually have a note to not copy the tests JAR in the future.  I think
> >> the problem area is that its not clear looking at the file names what is
> >> what in your release.  If your release only included a single source
> zip,
> >> two convenience binaries (tar.gz and zip) as well as the relevant asc
> and
> >> md5 files, they were all named properly, that would be perfect.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:00 PM Deron Eriksson  >> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > Thank you for your patience. For release candidate validation, would
> it
> >> be
> >> > acceptable and helpful to reduce the dist artifacts to the following
> >> with
> >> > their accompanying signature files? It would be nice if we could
> include
> >> > the binary distribution with dependencies. This would reduce the dist
> >> > artifacts from 9 to 4.
> >> >
> >> > Source distribution:
> >> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.tar.gz
> >> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.zip
> >> >
> >> > Binary distribution with dependencies:
> >> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-standalone.tar.gz
> >> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-standalone.zip
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/systemml/0.
> >> 11.0-incubating-rc5/
> >> >
> >> > Thank you,
> >> > Deron
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 9:06 PM, Luciano Resende  >> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Justin Mclean <
> >> jus...@classsoftware.com
> >> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Hi,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > I understand that the most important thing for Apache is the
> >> source
> >> > > > release
> >> > > > > artifact, but that does not prohibit a project from distributing
> >> > > > > convenience binaries as long as they meet all the legal
> >> requirements
> >> > > > > mandated by Apache.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Which is fine but currently it is not clear (to an external
> person)
> >> > > > exactly what is what in that directory and the VOTE email doesn’t
> >> > clarify
> >> > > > it.
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Yes, it's a bit confusing, so maybe it's a matter of adding a README
> >> to
> >> > > clarify what are the artifacts being released.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Also, the release structure hasn't changed much from
> >> > > > > our previous release
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Which I 

[RESULT] [VOTE] Release Apache Streams 0.4-incubating

[sblackmon]

Incubator PMC,  

The vote has passed with 3 binding +1 votes from IPMC members and no 0 or -1 
votes. 

+1 (binding): 
- Ate Douma
- Matt Franklin
- Suneel Marthi

+0: 
None 

-1: 
None 

Thank you everyone who reviewed release candidates.

I will now push the artifacts and announce the release.

Steve Blackmon
sblack...@apache.org
On November 9, 2016 at 10:01:05 PM, sblackmon (sblack...@apache.org) wrote:

John,

Yes, the project uses jenkins for CI.  Here’s a depiction of our current CI 
flow: each ‘jenkins’ oval is a job 

http://streams.staging.apache.org/site/0.4-incubating-SNAPSHOT/streams-master/integration.html

Latest thread discussing recent updates to our CI:

https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/d0a82ce000d1a71125d0ec70fb29c8f13cb946ae1a97998652389134@%3Cdev.streams.apache.org%3E

There are a few integration tests that still need manual setup to pass - those 
aren’t run with every build on jenkins but they are run as part of cutting a 
release candidate.

Steve

On November 9, 2016 at 9:46:05 PM, John D. Ament (johndam...@apache.org) wrote:

Anyways, the IPMC vote isn't fully on software quality but on release
structure. It seems like its OK, maybe a bit flakey, but I suspect its
actually passing based on my local. I can't find any valid CI for the
project though (not on jenkins or travis), do you use something else?

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:37 PM John D. Ament  wrote:

> Is this test runtime normal?
>
> Running org.apache.streams.monitoring.tasks.BroadcastMonitorThreadTest
> Tests run: 4, Failures: 0, Errors: 0, Skipped: 0, Time elapsed: 120.47 sec
> - in org.apache.streams.monitoring.tasks.BroadcastMonitorThreadTest
>
> 2013 MBP
>
> John
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:30 PM sblackmon  wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for attempting a build.
>
> This wiki page lists all of the steps I ran through during the release
> process, and logs of what occurred.
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/STREAMS/0.4-incubating+rc3+release+logs
>
> streams-master: parent POM, most of project web page.
> streams-project: majority of interfaces / classes including data
> providers, processors, persistence, and runtime modules.
> streams-examples: assortment of modules demonstrating how to assemble,
> package, and execute streams out of modules.
>
> It looks like your issue stems from not running `mvn install` on
> streams-master prior to streams-project.
>
> Running `mvn clean install` on each in order should result in BUILD
> SUCCESS.
>
> Steve
>
> On November 9, 2016 at 8:10:27 PM, John D. Ament (johndam...@apache.org
> (mailto:johndam...@apache.org)) wrote:
>
> > In addition, can you provide build instructions?
> >
> > Johns-MBP-2:streams-project-0.4-incubating johnament$ mvn clean install
> > [INFO] Scanning for projects...
> > [ERROR] [ERROR] Some problems were encountered while processing the POMs:
> > [FATAL] Non-resolvable parent POM for
> > org.apache.streams:streams-project:0.4-incubating: Failure to find
> > org.apache.streams:streams-master:pom:0.4-incubating in
> > http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2 was cached in the local repository,
> > resolution will not be reattempted until the update interval of
> > central-repo has elapsed or updates are forced and 'parent.relativePath'
> > points at wrong local POM @ line 23, column 13
> > @
> > [ERROR] The build could not read 1 project -> [Help 1]
> > [ERROR]
> > [ERROR] The project org.apache.streams:streams-project:0.4-incubating
> > (/Users/johnament/Downloads/streams-project-0.4-incubating/pom.xml) has 1
> > error
> > [ERROR] Non-resolvable parent POM for
> > org.apache.streams:streams-project:0.4-incubating: Failure to find
> > org.apache.streams:streams-master:pom:0.4-incubating in
> > http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2 was cached in the local repository,
> > resolution will not be reattempted until the update interval of
> > central-repo has elapsed or updates are forced and 'parent.relativePath'
> > points at wrong local POM @ line 23, column 13 -> [Help 2]
> > [ERROR]
> > [ERROR] To see the full stack trace of the errors, re-run Maven with the
> -e
> > switch.
> > [ERROR] Re-run Maven using the -X switch to enable full debug logging.
> > [ERROR]
> > [ERROR] For more information about the errors and possible solutions,
> > please read the following articles:
> > [ERROR] [Help 1]
> >
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/ProjectBuildingException
> > [ERROR] [Help 2]
> >
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/UnresolvableModelException
> > Johns-MBP-2:streams-project-0.4-incubating johnament$
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:08 PM John D. Ament wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:51 AM sblackmon wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Incubator PMC,
> > >
> > > The Apache Streams community has voted and approved the proposal to
> > > release Apache Streams 0.4 (incubating).
> > >
> > > We now kindly request the Incubator PMC members to review and vote on
> this
> > > 

Re: svn commit: r1769188 - /incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/metron.xml

[John D. Ament]

Hi,

Probably not a good idea to inline the reports, usually we just see links
to whimsy.  Here's Metron's -
https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Metron.html

John

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:30 PM  wrote:

> Author: jsirota
> Date: Thu Nov 10 19:30:31 2016
> New Revision: 1769188
>
> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1769188=rev
> Log:
> adding incubation reports
>
> Modified:
> incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/metron.xml
>
> Modified: incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/metron.xml
> URL:
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/metron.xml?rev=1769188=1769187=1769188=diff
>
> ==
> --- incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/metron.xml [utf-8] (original)
> +++ incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/metron.xml [utf-8] Thu Nov 10
> 19:30:31 2016
> @@ -335,36 +335,382 @@ detection and rapid response for advance
>  
>Incubation status reports
>
> -
> +
> +
>
> -January 2016 Report
> +January 2016 Report:
> +
> +Metron is a project dedicated to providing an extensible and scalable
> +advanced network security analytics tool. It has strong foundations in the
> +Apache Hadoop ecosystem.
> +
> +Metron has been incubating since 2015-12-06.
> +
> +Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
> +
> +  1. Building a diverse community of developers for Metron
> +  2. Getting security practitioners to provide feedback on requirements
> +  3. Make an Apache release
> +
> +Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
> +aware of?
> +
> +  None.
> +
> +How has the community developed since the last report?
> +
> +  - We added Debo Dutta as a committer
> +
> +How has the project developed since the last report?
> +
> +  - We received a signed SGA from Cisco
> +  - We picked our new logo
> +  - We setup our new website
> +  - We closed our first few Jiras
> +
> +Date of last release:
> +
> +  No release yet.
> +
> +When were the last committers or PMC members elected?
> +
> +  2016-01-08
> +
> +Signed-off-by:
> +
> +  [X](metron) Billie Rinaldi
> +  [X](metron) Chris Mattmann
> +  [X](metron) Owen O'Malley
> +  [X](metron) P. Taylor Goetz
> +  [ ](metron) Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli
> +
> +Shepherd/Mentor notes:
> +
>
>
> -February 2016 Report
> +February 2016 Report:
> +
> +Metron integrates a variety of open source big data technologies in order
> to
> +offer a centralized tool for security monitoring and analysis. Metron
> +provides capabilities for log aggregation, full packet capture indexing,
> +storage, advanced behavioral analytics and data enrichment, while applying
> +the most current threat-intelligence information to security telemetry
> +within a single platform.
> +
> +Metron has been incubating since 12-08-2015
> +
> +Three most important issues to address in the move towards
> +Graduation.
> +
> +  - Building a diverse community of developers for Metron
> +  - Getting security practitioners to provide feedback on requirements
> +  - Make an Apache release
> +
> +Any issues that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board might wish/need to be aware
> +of?
> +
> +  - We are currently trying to produce the first Apache release of Metron
> +  - We would like to request Apache infrastructure (a Jenkins server) for
> CI
> +
> +How has the community developed since the last report
> +
> +  - We started working on implementing a variety of new features on Metron
> +  - We did a Meetup in the DC area jointly with Capital One.  We had over
> 75
> +people in attendance with many expressing interest in joining the
> Metron
> +project
> +
> +How has the project developed since the last report
> +
> +  - This month we have closed 7 key Jiras and built up scripts for
> standing
> +up an integration and test environment for Metron that anyone in the
> +community can take advantage of
> +
> +Signed-off-by:
> +
> +  [x](metron) Billie Rinaldi
> +  [ ](metron) Chris Mattmann
> +  [ ](metron) Owen O'Malley
> +  [X](metron) P. Taylor Goetz
> +  [ ](metron) Vinod K
> +
> +Shepherd/Mentor notes:
> +
>
>
> -March 2016 Report
> +March 2016 Report: Metron integrates a variety of open source big
> data technologies in order to
> +offer a centralized tool for security monitoring and analysis. Metron
> +provides capabilities for log aggregation, full packet capture indexing,
> +storage, advanced behavioral analytics and data enrichment, while applying
> +the most current threat-intelligence information to security telemetry
> +within a single platform.
> +
> +Metron has been incubating since 12-08-2015
> +
> +Three most important issues to address in the move towards
> +Graduation:
> +
> +  - Building a diverse community of developers for Metron
> +  - Getting security practitioners to provide feedback on requirements
> +  - Make an Apache release
> +
> +Any issues that the Incubator 

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Leif Hedstrom]

> On Nov 10, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Bruce Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
> accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
> 
> [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> [ ] +0 Abstain.
> [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...



+1 (binding)

— leif


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[DISCUSS] China Contribution. (was: RocketMQ Incubation Proposal)

[Gunnar Tapper]

Hi,

Using the RocketMQ proposal to start a larger discussion.

Apache Trafodion is another project that has a lot of contribution from
China.

One of the struggles I've seen is that the contributors aren't that active
on email. Rather, they prefer to use a forum on QQ communicating in Chinese.

I'm currently the release manager and I must admit that it's hard not to
see all discussions. Several of us are trying to encourage questions etc
via the email lists but users just prefer Chinese forums.

I suspect that Apache will see more of this behavior moving forward,
especially as other proposals come in. So, I'm hoping that members in China
can help advise on what can be done to address communication issues like
this.

Thanks,

Gunnar

On Nov 5, 2016 12:21 PM, "Ross Gardler"  wrote:

Some folks may remember my state of the feather session a couple of years
ago when I called for more awareness of the ASFs role in open source beyond
English speaking countries. This was prompted by a fact finding trip to
China.

RocketMQ and the team behind it was one of the projects I talked to. We
discussed the Apache way at length, however I have not been involved with
this proposal.

I'm excited to see this proposal. I hope we can bring this project and
welcome the excellent team I met in China into the foundation. We will need
to work hard to ensure the project is a success. Like other China born
projects we will find that there are cultural differences that we need to
understand, but this would not be the first time we, as a foundation and as
individuals, accept an opportunity to grow in this way. Having met some of
the proposing team I am confident that with the right mentors the project
can succeed.

Bruce, thanks for stepping up to help.

Ross

---
Twitter: @rgardler


From: Bruce Snyder 
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 9:21:47 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] RocketMQ Incubation Proposal

Hi John,

Proposals for new ASF projects are offered to this list for constructive
feedback. I am happy to help steer the RocketMQ proposal and project using
your suggestions.

First, as explained previously in this discussion thread by Von Gosling,
there was some company IP that was mistakenly committed to the Github
repository and through a '...unlucky... scavenging activity' the history was
erased, as Von put it. I interpret this to mean that someone's git-fu went
awry which unintentionally caused the history to be removed. Von also gives
further explanation of the project history in a response below. Indeed,
this is an unfortunate situation (and one that I've seen before with git),
but should this prevent the project from coming to the ASF to improve and
grow under the auspices of the ASF and The Apache Way?

Second, regarding your statement: 'and its a bit surprising, since Bruce is
the chair of one of the competitors' -- All projects at the ASF exist
together regardless of their focus and all projects needs good mentors,
regardless of whether they are seen as competing or not. My interest in
helping the RocketMQ project is no different than my interest in continuing
to be involved with the ActiveMQ project. I have nearly 15 years experience
at the ASF and I'm not here to play games and favor one project over
another. I continue to be involved with the ASF to collaborate
constructively with others on open source and to foster a community of
inclusiveness where we can all continually learn and grow. The ASF is an
inclusive place where even experienced projects can learn from new
projects. As I've said for many years, we all come for code and stay for
the people. My intent is to use my experience to help a new project and
people to the ASF.

Third, I think the two questions you have posed are both good suggestions
for discussion and debate and might even help to improve the proposal. Even
if there are no solid answers today, I think these would also be great
ideas to debate around the code base and within the project moving forward.
I really like the idea of cross-pollination with the projects you mentioned
as well as others at the ASF. Since I have not worked on the RocketMQ code
base, I will allow Von to respond to two questions posed by John with his
thoughts:

Von, can you please provide your thoughts on the following two questions
specifically:

- How can RocketMQ work with the existing Kafka or ActiveMQ communities to
build cross platform clients?
- How can RocketMQ look to leverage Cassandra, Geode, Derby as backend
persistence stores?


Bruce

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 3:26 PM, John D. Ament 
wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:43 PM Roman Shaposhnik 
> wrote:
>
> > The proposal looks fine in general, but I'm slightly concerned about:
> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Falibaba%2FRocketMQ%2Fgraphs%

Re: [VOTE] Apache SystemML 0.11.0-incubating (RC5)

[Luciano Resende]

Ping, are there any other issues to be resolved ? Otherwise we would really
like to have this reviewed in time for our session on Apache Big Data early
next week.

Thanks

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016, Luciano Resende  wrote:

> We have reviewed and reduced the number of artifacts for RC5 :
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/systemml/0.
> 11.0-incubating-rc5/
>
> It only contains the following now :
> systemml-0.11.0-incubating-bin.tar.gz
> systemml-0.11.0-incubating-bin.tar.gz.asc
> systemml-0.11.0-incubating-bin.tar.gz.md5
> systemml-0.11.0-incubating-bin.tar.gz.sha
> systemml-0.11.0-incubating-bin.zip
> systemml-0.11.0-incubating-bin.zip.asc
> systemml-0.11.0-incubating-bin.zip.md5
> systemml-0.11.0-incubating-bin.zip.sha
> systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.tar.gz
> systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.tar.gz.asc
> systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.tar.gz.md5
> systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.tar.gz.sha
> systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.zip
> systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.zip.asc
> systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.zip.md5
> systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.zip.sha
>
>
> There is also a blocking jira that we are working for future releases.
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SYSTEMML-926
>
> Based on this, here is my +1.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 12:16 PM, John D. Ament  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Deron,
>>
>> Here's an example from a release I did recently for a TLP to give you some
>> guidance.  https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/deltaspike/1.7.2/
>> (and
>> i'm sure others may find some errors in what I did - no one's perfect)
>>
>> In this release, for each file there are 3 accompanying files - the .asc,
>> .sha1. and the .md5.  Your release is missing sha1's, but i'm not sure
>> that's too important.
>>
>> The overall release contents are made up of:
>>
>> - Source ZIP file
>> - POM file for the root of the project
>> - The convenience binary zip
>> - The convenience binary .tar.gz
>>
>> I actually have a note to not copy the tests JAR in the future.  I think
>> the problem area is that its not clear looking at the file names what is
>> what in your release.  If your release only included a single source zip,
>> two convenience binaries (tar.gz and zip) as well as the relevant asc and
>> md5 files, they were all named properly, that would be perfect.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:00 PM Deron Eriksson > >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > Thank you for your patience. For release candidate validation, would it
>> be
>> > acceptable and helpful to reduce the dist artifacts to the following
>> with
>> > their accompanying signature files? It would be nice if we could include
>> > the binary distribution with dependencies. This would reduce the dist
>> > artifacts from 9 to 4.
>> >
>> > Source distribution:
>> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.tar.gz
>> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-src.zip
>> >
>> > Binary distribution with dependencies:
>> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-standalone.tar.gz
>> > systemml-0.11.0-incubating-standalone.zip
>> >
>> >
>> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/systemml/0.
>> 11.0-incubating-rc5/
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Deron
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 9:06 PM, Luciano Resende > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Justin Mclean <
>> jus...@classsoftware.com
>> >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > >
>> > > > > I understand that the most important thing for Apache is the
>> source
>> > > > release
>> > > > > artifact, but that does not prohibit a project from distributing
>> > > > > convenience binaries as long as they meet all the legal
>> requirements
>> > > > > mandated by Apache.
>> > > >
>> > > > Which is fine but currently it is not clear (to an external person)
>> > > > exactly what is what in that directory and the VOTE email doesn’t
>> > clarify
>> > > > it.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Yes, it's a bit confusing, so maybe it's a matter of adding a README
>> to
>> > > clarify what are the artifacts being released.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > Also, the release structure hasn't changed much from
>> > > > > our previous release
>> > > >
>> > > > Which I asked about the last RC and got no reply. I took a guess but
>> > > still
>> > > > not sure if it was right or not and if everything got reviewed.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > Sorry for not getting back to you on the list of artifacts, I have
>> > > documented them on the following thread on the SystemML mailing list:
>> > > https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@systemml.incubator.apache.
>> > > org/msg01121.html
>> > >
>> > > Also, from previous RC the community removed one jar from the release
>> > > (*-standalone.jar) and all other artifacts were 

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Amol Kekre]

+1 (non-binding)

Thks
Amol


On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Debo Dutta (dedutta) 
wrote:

> +1 non binding
>
>
>
>
> On 11/10/16, 10:07 AM, "Myrle Krantz"  wrote:
>
> >+1 non binding
> >
> >-Myrle
> >
> >> On 10 Nov 2016, at 19:04, John D. Ament  wrote:
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >>> On Nov 10, 2016 11:41, "Bruce Snyder"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote
> on
> >>> accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
> >>>
> >>> [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> >>> [ ] +0 Abstain.
> >>> [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
> >>>
> >>> The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
> >>>https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
> >>>
> >>> Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
> >>>http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Bruce
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> = RocketMQ Proposal =
> >>>
> >>> == Abstract ==
> >>>
> >>> RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy
> to
> >>> use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large
> amounts of
> >>> streaming data.
> >>>
> >>> == Proposal ==
> >>>
> >>> RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
> >>> supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It
> also
> >>> has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
> >>> provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
> >>> RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
> >>> offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
> >>>
> >>> == Background ==
> >>>
> >>> RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in
> production
> >>> there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events
> generated
> >>> by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
> >>> consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles
> dozens
> >>> of types of events including trade order process, search, social
> network
> >>> activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ
> clusters
> >>> process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses
> RocketMQ
> >>> to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
> >>>
> >>> RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to
> provide
> >>> low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending.
> Alibaba
> >>> has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a
> Platform
> >>> as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
> >>> https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ
> open
> >>> source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so,
> we
> >>> would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
> >>> developers and users via The Apache Way.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> == Rationale ==
> >>>
> >>> As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
> >>> latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
> >>> varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides
> many
> >>> features to support many use cases from enterprise application
> integration,
> >>> to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
> >>>
> >>> == Current Status ==
> >>>
> >>> === Meritocracy ===
> >>>
> >>> The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer
> and
> >>> user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model.
> Since
> >>> RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the
> website
> >>> and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
> >>> received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++
> and
> >>> .NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work
> with
> >>> those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
> >>> become committers.
> >>>
> >>> === Community ===
> >>>
> >>> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
> >>> where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have
> active
> >>> users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
> >>> including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
> >>> http://www.schneider-electric.com/), the China Railway Ministry
> official
> >>> ticketing website, China Union, Sina, Umei (http://sh.jumei.com),
> Chinese
> >>> Academy of Sciences and many more. We hope to grow the base of
> contributors
> >>> by inviting all those who offer significant contributions and excel
> through
> >>> the use of The Apache Way. Contributions from outside of Alibaba are
> now
> >>> being received by the RocketMQ project, including a dashboard, the
> >>> flume-rocketmq module, the storm-rocketmq and more.

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Debo Dutta (dedutta)]

+1 non binding 




On 11/10/16, 10:07 AM, "Myrle Krantz"  wrote:

>+1 non binding 
>
>-Myrle
>
>> On 10 Nov 2016, at 19:04, John D. Ament  wrote:
>> 
>> +1
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2016 11:41, "Bruce Snyder"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
>>> accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
>>> 
>>> [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
>>> [ ] +0 Abstain.
>>> [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
>>> 
>>> The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
>>>https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
>>> 
>>> Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
>>>http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Bruce
>>> 
>>> 
>>> = RocketMQ Proposal =
>>> 
>>> == Abstract ==
>>> 
>>> RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy to
>>> use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large amounts of
>>> streaming data.
>>> 
>>> == Proposal ==
>>> 
>>> RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
>>> supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It also
>>> has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
>>> provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
>>> RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
>>> offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
>>> 
>>> == Background ==
>>> 
>>> RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in production
>>> there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events generated
>>> by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
>>> consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles dozens
>>> of types of events including trade order process, search, social network
>>> activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ clusters
>>> process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses RocketMQ
>>> to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
>>> 
>>> RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to provide
>>> low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending. Alibaba
>>> has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a Platform
>>> as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
>>> https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ open
>>> source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so, we
>>> would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
>>> developers and users via The Apache Way.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> == Rationale ==
>>> 
>>> As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
>>> latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
>>> varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides many
>>> features to support many use cases from enterprise application integration,
>>> to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
>>> 
>>> == Current Status ==
>>> 
>>> === Meritocracy ===
>>> 
>>> The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer and
>>> user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model. Since
>>> RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the website
>>> and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
>>> received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++ and
>>> .NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work with
>>> those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
>>> become committers.
>>> 
>>> === Community ===
>>> 
>>> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
>>> where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have active
>>> users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
>>> including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
>>> http://www.schneider-electric.com/), the China Railway Ministry official
>>> ticketing website, China Union, Sina, Umei (http://sh.jumei.com), Chinese
>>> Academy of Sciences and many more. We hope to grow the base of contributors
>>> by inviting all those who offer significant contributions and excel through
>>> the use of The Apache Way. Contributions from outside of Alibaba are now
>>> being received by the RocketMQ project, including a dashboard, the
>>> flume-rocketmq module, the storm-rocketmq and more.
>>> 
>>> To further this goal, the project currently makes use of GitHub project
>>> features as well as a public mailing list via Google Groups.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> === Core Developers ===
>>> 
>>> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers from Alibaba and
>>> Yeahmobi: Xiaorui Wang, Von Gosling, Jiangwei Jiang, Xinyu Zhou, Zhanhui
>>> Li. 

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Myrle Krantz]

+1 non binding 

-Myrle

> On 10 Nov 2016, at 19:04, John D. Ament  wrote:
> 
> +1
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2016 11:41, "Bruce Snyder"  wrote:
>> 
>> Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
>> accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
>> 
>> [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
>> [ ] +0 Abstain.
>> [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
>> 
>> The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
>>https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
>> 
>> Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
>>http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 
>> = RocketMQ Proposal =
>> 
>> == Abstract ==
>> 
>> RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy to
>> use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large amounts of
>> streaming data.
>> 
>> == Proposal ==
>> 
>> RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
>> supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It also
>> has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
>> provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
>> RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
>> offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
>> 
>> == Background ==
>> 
>> RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in production
>> there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events generated
>> by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
>> consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles dozens
>> of types of events including trade order process, search, social network
>> activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ clusters
>> process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses RocketMQ
>> to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
>> 
>> RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to provide
>> low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending. Alibaba
>> has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a Platform
>> as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
>> https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ open
>> source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so, we
>> would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
>> developers and users via The Apache Way.
>> 
>> 
>> == Rationale ==
>> 
>> As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
>> latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
>> varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides many
>> features to support many use cases from enterprise application integration,
>> to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
>> 
>> == Current Status ==
>> 
>> === Meritocracy ===
>> 
>> The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer and
>> user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model. Since
>> RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the website
>> and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
>> received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++ and
>> .NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work with
>> those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
>> become committers.
>> 
>> === Community ===
>> 
>> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
>> where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have active
>> users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
>> including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
>> http://www.schneider-electric.com/), the China Railway Ministry official
>> ticketing website, China Union, Sina, Umei (http://sh.jumei.com), Chinese
>> Academy of Sciences and many more. We hope to grow the base of contributors
>> by inviting all those who offer significant contributions and excel through
>> the use of The Apache Way. Contributions from outside of Alibaba are now
>> being received by the RocketMQ project, including a dashboard, the
>> flume-rocketmq module, the storm-rocketmq and more.
>> 
>> To further this goal, the project currently makes use of GitHub project
>> features as well as a public mailing list via Google Groups.
>> 
>> 
>> === Core Developers ===
>> 
>> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers from Alibaba and
>> Yeahmobi: Xiaorui Wang, Von Gosling, Jiangwei Jiang, Xinyu Zhou, Zhanhui
>> Li. Xiaorui Wang, one of Alibaba MOM project owners is also the originator
>> of the RocketMQ project. He has rich experience with open source software,
>> as well as being active within the RocketMQ 

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[John D. Ament]

+1

On Nov 10, 2016 11:41, "Bruce Snyder"  wrote:

> Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
> accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
>
> [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> [ ] +0 Abstain.
> [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
>
> The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
>
> Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce
>
>
> = RocketMQ Proposal =
>
> == Abstract ==
>
> RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy to
> use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large amounts of
> streaming data.
>
> == Proposal ==
>
> RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
> supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It also
> has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
> provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
> RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
> offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
>
> == Background ==
>
> RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in production
> there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events generated
> by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
> consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles dozens
> of types of events including trade order process, search, social network
> activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ clusters
> process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses RocketMQ
> to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
>
> RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to provide
> low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending. Alibaba
> has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a Platform
> as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
> https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ open
> source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so, we
> would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
> developers and users via The Apache Way.
>
>
> == Rationale ==
>
> As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
> latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
> varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides many
> features to support many use cases from enterprise application integration,
> to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
>
> == Current Status ==
>
> === Meritocracy ===
>
> The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer and
> user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model. Since
> RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the website
> and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
> received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++ and
> .NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work with
> those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
> become committers.
>
> === Community ===
>
> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
> where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have active
> users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
> including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
> http://www.schneider-electric.com/), the China Railway Ministry official
> ticketing website, China Union, Sina, Umei (http://sh.jumei.com), Chinese
> Academy of Sciences and many more. We hope to grow the base of contributors
> by inviting all those who offer significant contributions and excel through
> the use of The Apache Way. Contributions from outside of Alibaba are now
> being received by the RocketMQ project, including a dashboard, the
> flume-rocketmq module, the storm-rocketmq and more.
>
> To further this goal, the project currently makes use of GitHub project
> features as well as a public mailing list via Google Groups.
>
>
> === Core Developers ===
>
> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers from Alibaba and
> Yeahmobi: Xiaorui Wang, Von Gosling, Jiangwei Jiang, Xinyu Zhou, Zhanhui
> Li. Xiaorui Wang, one of Alibaba MOM project owners is also the originator
> of the RocketMQ project. He has rich experience with open source software,
> as well as being active within the RocketMQ community. Von Gosling, another
> MOM project owner at Alibaba and co-creator of the RocketMQ project, is an
> active open source software committer and has been an active contributor to
> several projects in Alibaba, Apache community and 

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Bruce Snyder  wrote:
> ..Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
> accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator...

Enthusiastic +1 !

-Bertrand

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Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Rob Davies]

+1 (non-binding)

> On 10 Nov 2016, at 16:41, Bruce Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
> accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
> 
> [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> [ ] +0 Abstain.
> [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
> 
> The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
>https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
> 
> Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
>http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> = RocketMQ Proposal =
> 
> == Abstract ==
> 
> RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy to
> use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large amounts of
> streaming data.
> 
> == Proposal ==
> 
> RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
> supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It also
> has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
> provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
> RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
> offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
> 
> == Background ==
> 
> RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in production
> there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events generated
> by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
> consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles dozens
> of types of events including trade order process, search, social network
> activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ clusters
> process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses RocketMQ
> to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
> 
> RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to provide
> low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending. Alibaba
> has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a Platform
> as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
> https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ open
> source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so, we
> would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
> developers and users via The Apache Way.
> 
> 
> == Rationale ==
> 
> As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
> latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
> varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides many
> features to support many use cases from enterprise application integration,
> to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
> 
> == Current Status ==
> 
> === Meritocracy ===
> 
> The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer and
> user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model. Since
> RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the website
> and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
> received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++ and
> .NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work with
> those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
> become committers.
> 
> === Community ===
> 
> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
> where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have active
> users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
> including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
> http://www.schneider-electric.com/), the China Railway Ministry official
> ticketing website, China Union, Sina, Umei (http://sh.jumei.com), Chinese
> Academy of Sciences and many more. We hope to grow the base of contributors
> by inviting all those who offer significant contributions and excel through
> the use of The Apache Way. Contributions from outside of Alibaba are now
> being received by the RocketMQ project, including a dashboard, the
> flume-rocketmq module, the storm-rocketmq and more.
> 
> To further this goal, the project currently makes use of GitHub project
> features as well as a public mailing list via Google Groups.
> 
> 
> === Core Developers ===
> 
> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers from Alibaba and
> Yeahmobi: Xiaorui Wang, Von Gosling, Jiangwei Jiang, Xinyu Zhou, Zhanhui
> Li. Xiaorui Wang, one of Alibaba MOM project owners is also the originator
> of the RocketMQ project. He has rich experience with open source software,
> as well as being active within the RocketMQ community. Von Gosling, another
> MOM project owner at Alibaba and co-creator of the RocketMQ project, is an
> active open source software committer and has been an active contributor to
> several 

Re: [VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Jochen Wiedmann]

I am +1 (Binding)


On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Bruce Snyder  wrote:
> Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
> accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
>
> [ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
> [ ] +0 Abstain.
> [ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...
>
> The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal
>
> Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce
>
>
> = RocketMQ Proposal =
>
> == Abstract ==
>
> RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy to
> use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large amounts of
> streaming data.
>
> == Proposal ==
>
> RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
> supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It also
> has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
> provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
> RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
> offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.
>
> == Background ==
>
> RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in production
> there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events generated
> by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
> consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles dozens
> of types of events including trade order process, search, social network
> activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ clusters
> process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses RocketMQ
> to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.
>
> RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to provide
> low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending. Alibaba
> has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a Platform
> as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
> https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ open
> source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so, we
> would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
> developers and users via The Apache Way.
>
>
> == Rationale ==
>
> As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
> latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
> varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides many
> features to support many use cases from enterprise application integration,
> to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.
>
> == Current Status ==
>
> === Meritocracy ===
>
> The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer and
> user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model. Since
> RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the website
> and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
> received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++ and
> .NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work with
> those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
> become committers.
>
> === Community ===
>
> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
> where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have active
> users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
> including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
> http://www.schneider-electric.com/), the China Railway Ministry official
> ticketing website, China Union, Sina, Umei (http://sh.jumei.com), Chinese
> Academy of Sciences and many more. We hope to grow the base of contributors
> by inviting all those who offer significant contributions and excel through
> the use of The Apache Way. Contributions from outside of Alibaba are now
> being received by the RocketMQ project, including a dashboard, the
> flume-rocketmq module, the storm-rocketmq and more.
>
> To further this goal, the project currently makes use of GitHub project
> features as well as a public mailing list via Google Groups.
>
>
> === Core Developers ===
>
> RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers from Alibaba and
> Yeahmobi: Xiaorui Wang, Von Gosling, Jiangwei Jiang, Xinyu Zhou, Zhanhui
> Li. Xiaorui Wang, one of Alibaba MOM project owners is also the originator
> of the RocketMQ project. He has rich experience with open source software,
> as well as being active within the RocketMQ community. Von Gosling, another
> MOM project owner at Alibaba and co-creator of the RocketMQ project, is an
> active open source software committer and has been an active contributor to
> several projects in Alibaba, 

[VOTE] Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator

[Bruce Snyder]

Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.

[ ] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
[ ] +0 Abstain.
[ ] -1 Do not accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator because...

The proposal is pasted below and also available in the wiki here:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RocketMQProposal

Also, the ASF voting guidelines are available here:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html

Thanks,

Bruce


= RocketMQ Proposal =

== Abstract ==

RocketMQ is a fast, low latency, reliable, scalable, distributed, easy to
use message-oriented middleware, especially for processing large amounts of
streaming data.

== Proposal ==

RocketMQ provides a message model including both pub/sub and P2P and it
supports both reliable FIFO and strict sequential message queues. It also
has the ability to accumulate a billion messages in a single queue,
provides mobile, internet-friendly protocols such as MQTT and HTTP.
RocketMQ also supports the ability to load data into Apache Hadoop for
offline storage or to handle stream processing for Apache Storm.

== Background ==

RocketMQ was developed at Alibaba in 2011 and has been used in production
there since that time. It can process the large amounts of events generated
by various systems and provides a common repository for many types of
consumers to access and process those events. RocketMQ also handles dozens
of types of events including trade order process, search, social network
activity stream and data pipeline. Every day at Alibaba, RocketMQ clusters
process more than 500 billion events. The Alibaba Group also uses RocketMQ
to provide message services for more than 3000 core applications.

RocketMQ was developed to meet Alibaba's particular use cases to provide
low latency message delivery and high throughput message sending. Alibaba
has also created its cornerstone product derived from RocketMQ, a Platform
as a Service (PaaS) product named the Alibaba Cloud Platform (
https://intl.aliyun.com/).  More than 100 companies use the RocketMQ open
source version today. We believe RocketMQ can benefit more people so, we
would like to share it via the ASF and begin developing a community of
developers and users via The Apache Way.


== Rationale ==

As background description, many organizations can benefit from a low
latency, reliable, high throughput, distributed platform. Its usage is
varied and we expect many new use cases to emerge. RocketMQ provides many
features to support many use cases from enterprise application integration,
to web applications to the flourishing of IoT applications.

== Current Status ==

=== Meritocracy ===

The intent of this proposal is to start building a diverse developer and
user community around RocketMQ following the ASF meritocracy model. Since
RocketMQ was open sourced, we have solicited contributions via the website
and presentations given to user groups and technical audiences and have
received positive feedback and contributions including clients for C++ and
.NET. We plan to continue this support for new contributors and work with
those who contribute significantly to the project to encourage them to
become committers.

=== Community ===

RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers working for Alibaba
where it is highly used in a production environment. We also have active
users in or have received contributions from a diverse set of companies
including CMBC(China Minsheng Bank), Schneider Electric(
http://www.schneider-electric.com/), the China Railway Ministry official
ticketing website, China Union, Sina, Umei (http://sh.jumei.com), Chinese
Academy of Sciences and many more. We hope to grow the base of contributors
by inviting all those who offer significant contributions and excel through
the use of The Apache Way. Contributions from outside of Alibaba are now
being received by the RocketMQ project, including a dashboard, the
flume-rocketmq module, the storm-rocketmq and more.

To further this goal, the project currently makes use of GitHub project
features as well as a public mailing list via Google Groups.


=== Core Developers ===

RocketMQ is currently being developed by engineers from Alibaba and
Yeahmobi: Xiaorui Wang, Von Gosling, Jiangwei Jiang, Xinyu Zhou, Zhanhui
Li. Xiaorui Wang, one of Alibaba MOM project owners is also the originator
of the RocketMQ project. He has rich experience with open source software,
as well as being active within the RocketMQ community. Von Gosling, another
MOM project owner at Alibaba and co-creator of the RocketMQ project, is an
active open source software committer and has been an active contributor to
several projects in Alibaba, Apache community and Google Code. Von also has
deep experience with performance tuning, distributed system design and
coding. Xinyu Zhou, Wei Zhou and Jinjixiang, They have rich experience in
distributed system design and performance tuning, especially in message
queue, big 

Re: Looking for a mentor for Gossip and Rya

[Billie Rinaldi]

I can help out with mentoring Rya.

Billie

On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 00:03:48 -, Sean Busbey  wrote:
Subject: Looking for a mentor for Gossip and Rya

> Hi Folks!
>
> Sadly, other commitments in my life require that I step down the amount of
> volunteer time I spend on the ASF. I had originally thought that I'd still
> have time for mentoring the two podlings I've been involved with (Gossip
> and Rya), but it doesn't look that way.
>
> As such, I'm hoping someone on general@ might be convinced to step up in
> either case. My need to step aside should not reflect on the podlings
> themselves; they're both doing just fine for where they are in terms of
> project maturity.
>
> If the particular technology aims matter:
>
> Apache Gossip (incubating) is creating a foundational library for
> distributed systems to use the gossip protocol to make peer-to-peer
> networks. It's written in Java.
>
> Apache RYA (incubating) is an RDF triple store built on top of sparse
> key-value stores (specifically Apache Accumulo is currently the robust
> exemplar implementation). It is also written (mostly) in Java.
>
> I'd say Rya is farther along the path to graduation, but neither podling
> is particularly demanding in terms of kinds-of or amounts-of attention
> required.
>
> Anyone interested in transitioning onto one or both?
>
> -busbey

Re: [FINAL] Incubator PMC Board Report - November 2016

[Ted Dunning]

Roman,

You keep referring to the IPMC board report and saying that "it" is in the
report and then you seem to be using "it" to refer to something else that
you want.  It isn't at all clear what "it" might be.

Are you asking for an update to the IPMC board report for October? That
would seem to be the simplest explanation based on the text of what you
said.

Are you asking for something else?

Please be explicit this time around. Do not use pronouns.



On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:10 PM, Roman Shaposhnik 
wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Roman Shaposhnik 
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:52 PM, Ted Dunning 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Roman Shaposhnik  >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >   The board has motions for the following:
> >>> >
> >>> >   - Geode
> >>>
> >>> Ted, could you please add the approved resolution to the board agenda?
> >>> I would be more than happy to help there -- but I think that's an IPMC
> >>> Chair's
> >>> function. The text of the resolution (in a cut-n-paste friendly form)
> is
> >>> here:
> >>> http://markmail.org/message/hztte5f6meoluz2v
> >>>
> >>> If you need a vote tally here it is:
> >>> http://markmail.org/thread/2ovwzqukiquwnun4
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Roman.
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't think it appropriate to put a November event into the report
> >> covering October.
> >
> > I don't understand: it became part of the FINAL draft that John sent out
> today
> > in the beginning of this thread. It IS very much part of this report
> whatever
> > period it covers. As such I see no reason not to add the IPMC approved
> > resolution to the board agenda. Please reconsider.
> >
> > Besides, what's the reason to delay it for a month? We are well within
> the
> > time limit to present it to the board. If you need procedural help --
> please let
> > us know.
>
> FYI: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process
>
> As per the calendar -- an ideal, safe timing to submit a resolution is
> full 10 days ahead of the board meeting. However, as the calendar
> suggests doing it before Mon is permissible.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>

Re: [DRAFT] Incubator PMC Board Report - November 2016

[John D. Ament]

Ack'd.  Please see the final draft.  All podlings received sign offs so I
didn't email any individual dev lists.  Interested PPMC members should be
subscribed to general@ while the podling is under incubation, to be aware
of incubator wide discussions.

As an aside, I would recommend that more mentors look at your report in the
future, but I see nothing wrong with it (it's more of a mentor engagement
problem).

John

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 1:04 AM Makoto Yui  wrote:

> John,
>
> One of our mentors (Hivemall project) signed to the report.
>
> Please find it on
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/November2016
>
> We apologize for being late.
>
> Thanks,
> Makoto
>
> 2016-11-09 13:06 GMT+09:00 John D. Ament :
> > All,
> >
> > Below is the current draft of the board report.  We still have many
> > podlings who are missing mentor sign off.  Mentors for DataFu, CMDA,
> > Fineract and Hivemall please review and sign off.  Otherwise end of day
> > tomorrow the reports will be pulled and podlings put on monthly/extended
> by
> > 1 month.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > Incubator PMC report for November 2016
> >
> > The Apache Incubator is the entry path into the ASF for projects and
> > codebases wishing to become part of the Foundation's efforts.
> >
> > There are currently 63 podlings incubating - no change from last month.
> > The Geode podling has begun discussions around graduation.  There were
> two
> > new IPMC members added this past month.  The IPMC approved 17 releases
> this
> > month as well.
> >
> > * Community
> >
> >   New IPMC members:
> >
> >   - Felix Meschberger
> >   - Stephan Ewen
> >
> >   People who left the IPMC:
> >
> >   - None
> >
> > * New Podlings
> >
> >   - None
> >
> > * Graduations
> >
> >   The board has motions for the following:
> >
> >   - None
> >
> > * Releases
> >
> >   The following releases entered distribution during the month of
> >   October:
> >
> >   - Apache Unomi1.1.0-incubating 2016-10-03
> >   - Apache Impala   2.7.0-incubating 2016-10-04
> >   - Apache Fluo 1.0.0-incubating 2016-10-05
> >   - Apache Htrace   4.2.0-incubating 2016-10-07
> >   - Apache PredictionIO 0.10.0-incubating2016-10-07
> >   - Apache Pirk 0.2.0-incubating 2016-10-09
> >   - Apache HAWQ 2.0.0.0-incubating   2016-10-10
> >   - Apache CarbonData   0.1.1-incubating 2016-10-11
> >   - Apache Metron   0.2.1BETA-incubating 2016-10-13
> >   - Apache Geode1.0.0-incubating 2016-10-15
> >   - Apache Mnemonic 0.3.0-incubating 2016-10-21
> >   - Apache Juneau   6.0.0-incubating 2016-10-24
> >   - Apache Fineract 0.4.0-incubating 2016-10-25
> >   - Apache Fluo Recipes 1.0.0-incubating 2016-10-27
> >   - Apache Rya  3.2.10-incubating2016-10-28
> >   - Apache S2Graph  0.1.0-incubating 2016-10-30
> >   - Apache Beam 0.3.0-incubating 2016-10-31
> >
> >
> > * IP Clearance
> >
> >   - None
> >
> > * Legal / Trademarks
> >
> >   - Incoming podlings are pushing more for GitHub as master approaches.
> >   - In addition, the usage of GitHub Issues continues to be asked.
> >   - Better alignment between all impacted parties is needed for both of
> > these.
> >
> > * Infrastructure
> >
> >   - While the loss of a server is never convenient, the report manager
> > gives huge kudos to the infra team for replacing the moin-moin wiki
> server
> > quickly, avoiding much impact on this months report.
> >
> > * Miscellaneous
> >
> >   - None
> >
> > * Credits
> >
> >   - Report Manager: John D. Ament
> >
> >  Summary of podling reports 
> >
> > * Still getting started at the Incubator
> >
> >   - AriaTosca
> >   - Guacamole
> >   - Hivemall
> >   - iota
> >   - NetBeans
> >   - Spot
> >   - Toree
> >
> >
> > * Not yet ready to graduate
> >
> >   Stagnant:
> >
> >   - Metron
> >   - Sirona
> >
> >   No release:
> >
> >   - Blur
> >   - Climate Model Diagnostic Analyzer
> >   - DistributedLog
> >   - Edgent
> >   - Joshua
> >
> >
> >   Community growth:
> >
> >   - DataFu
> >   - Fineract
> >   - Fluo
> >   - Impala
> >   - PredictionIO
> >   - S2Graph
> >   - Streams
> >   - Unomi
> >
> >
> > * Potentially Ready to Graduate
> >
> >   - BatchEE
> >   - Beam
> >   - CarbonData
> >   - Eagle
> >   - Geode
> >   - Slider
> >   - SystemML
> >   - Tamaya
> >
> > * Did not report, expected next month
> >
> >   - Annotator
> >
> > --
> >Table of Contents
> > AriaTosca
> > Beam
> > Blur
> > CarbonData
> > Climate Model Diagnostic Analyzer
> > DataFu
> > DistributedLog
> > Eagle
> > Edgent
> > Fineract
> > Fluo
> > Guacamole
> > Hivemall
> > Impala
> > iota
> > Joshua
> > NetBeans
> > PredictionIO
> > S2Graph
> > Sirona
> > Slider
> > Spot
> > Streams
> > SystemML
> > Tamaya
> > Toree
> > Unomi
> >
> > 

Re: [FINAL] Incubator PMC Board Report - November 2016

[John D. Ament]

In addition, I'm a bit confused over the role you're expecting Ted to fill
on this one.  When I read
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#top-level-board-proposal it
seems like anyone can submit the resolution to the board.  The board may
discuss it, they may be quiet about it.

I would wait to see if there's any comments from board members before a
mentor or similar posts the resolution to the agenda.

It may behoove the podling to have the proposed VP email the resolution  Or
have a highly experienced mentor do it.

Thoughts?

John

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:10 AM Roman Shaposhnik 
wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Roman Shaposhnik 
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:52 PM, Ted Dunning 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Roman Shaposhnik  >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >   The board has motions for the following:
> >>> >
> >>> >   - Geode
> >>>
> >>> Ted, could you please add the approved resolution to the board agenda?
> >>> I would be more than happy to help there -- but I think that's an IPMC
> >>> Chair's
> >>> function. The text of the resolution (in a cut-n-paste friendly form)
> is
> >>> here:
> >>> http://markmail.org/message/hztte5f6meoluz2v
> >>>
> >>> If you need a vote tally here it is:
> >>> http://markmail.org/thread/2ovwzqukiquwnun4
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Roman.
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't think it appropriate to put a November event into the report
> >> covering October.
> >
> > I don't understand: it became part of the FINAL draft that John sent out
> today
> > in the beginning of this thread. It IS very much part of this report
> whatever
> > period it covers. As such I see no reason not to add the IPMC approved
> > resolution to the board agenda. Please reconsider.
> >
> > Besides, what's the reason to delay it for a month? We are well within
> the
> > time limit to present it to the board. If you need procedural help --
> please let
> > us know.
>
> FYI: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process
>
> As per the calendar -- an ideal, safe timing to submit a resolution is
> full 10 days ahead of the board meeting. However, as the calendar
> suggests doing it before Mon is permissible.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
>
>

Re: Help for hawq wiki/jira permission

[John D. Ament]

Hongxu:

Please reach out to the HAWQ podling directly.  Either a PPMC member or a
mentor can help you.

John

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 4:34 AM Hongxu Ma  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I dived into HAWQ recently, wish to share some ideas to wiki (e.g. build
> and install), and assign jira issues(e.g. HAWQ-513) to myself.
>
> Can who give me the permission to edit access the HAWQ wiki/jira?
>
> Thanks, below is my info:
>
> JIRA:
>
>   * username: hongxu ma
>   * mail: inte...@outlook.com 
>
> Confluence:
>
>   * username: interma
>   * mail: inte...@outlook.com 
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Hongxu.
>
>

Re: New git mirror created: incubator.git

[John D. Ament]

Roman,

Here's where I sent out the experiment idea to the group -
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/927db43fa0221bcf862088d495be2d15ce433c4bd20f4de8715bb8ae@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E

There's actually been quite a few colorful conversations about this on
hipchat with infra.  Ranging from naming the test domain to "
johndament-test.apache.org" to "we need to split the incubator repo."  Its
also highlighted a few challenges Greg didn't realize were there -
something's broke a bit in buildbot when it comes to adding new configs.
The other interesting thing, it's almost all self service.  Other than
whatever work is needed to add the host/URI, its all there for any PMC
member to kick off a prototype quickly using the new services from infra.

My goal - purely selfish - to avoid the extra build required to have a
podling's website update, so that no one has to login to CMS to promote
their chanes.  This is going to require a lot of extra documentation
though, those updating the website don't seem to know how to check it
locally.  There was an issue with metron recently where they deleted their
landing page due to an error in HTML syntax.  By automating from the commit
level, the website changes go live when someone pushes their code up.

John

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:19 AM Roman Shaposhnik 
wrote:

> What's the plan for the website migration? When do we plan to cut over?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From:  
> Date: Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 9:25 PM
> Subject: New git mirror created: incubator.git
> To: infrastruct...@apache.org, priv...@incubator.apache.org
>
>
> New repository incubator.git was mirrored to git.a.o (and thus
> GitHub), as requested by johndament.
> New mirrors are available on GitHub no more than 24 hours later.
>
> With regards,
> Apache Infrastructure.
>
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
>
>

Help for hawq wiki/jira permission

[Hongxu Ma]

Hi everyone,

I dived into HAWQ recently, wish to share some ideas to wiki (e.g. build 
and install), and assign jira issues(e.g. HAWQ-513) to myself.


Can who give me the permission to edit access the HAWQ wiki/jira?

Thanks, below is my info:

JIRA:

 * username: hongxu ma
 * mail: inte...@outlook.com 

Confluence:

 * username: interma
 * mail: inte...@outlook.com 


--
Regards,
Hongxu.

Re: [FINAL] Incubator PMC Board Report - November 2016

[Ted Dunning]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Roman Shaposhnik 
wrote:

> >   The board has motions for the following:
> >
> >   - Geode
>
> Ted, could you please add the approved resolution to the board agenda?
> I would be more than happy to help there -- but I think that's an IPMC
> Chair's
> function. The text of the resolution (in a cut-n-paste friendly form) is
> here:
> http://markmail.org/message/hztte5f6meoluz2v
>
> If you need a vote tally here it is:
> http://markmail.org/thread/2ovwzqukiquwnun4
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>

I don't think it appropriate to put a November event into the report
covering October.