Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie install

[Jason Stubbs]

On Tuesday 19 August 2003 13:47, Thomas Page wrote:
> I recently downloaded iso's for Gentoo 1.4, and am looking for advice on
> the best way to install it. I currently have a mandrake 8.2 box, with a ton
> of stuff I've downloaded, medical and electronics info, and I'd rather not
> have to back it up onto CD, since I don't have a CDR (yes I know I
> should...).
>
> My question is, is there a "safe" way to install OVER my mandrake (ie
> leaving partitions as is), does anyone know of any FAQs/HOWTOs to
> accomplish this.

It may possible depending on your partition configuration. How do you 
currently have them set up? To do it you'd need at least two partitions, one 
for Mandrake and your data and the other for your new install of Gentoo. 
You'd then prepare your Gentoo partition, mount it, extract your stage 
tarball from the iso image (mounted with -o loop) to the Gentoo partition, 
chroot to it and continue with the installation guide.

This sort of installation is a bit of a pain in the rear-end, and I don't 
suggest you attempt it unless know exactly what you want to do from the 
beginning and are sure you have enough space on your partitions to be able to 
do it.

Once the base installation is done, you'd then want to move data according to 
your desired partition layout and get rid of that unnecessary Mandrake stuff! 
;-)

See the Alternative Installation Guide for more details about how to install 
from a previous distro.

Regards,
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[gentoo-user] Newbie install

[Thomas Page]

Hi everyone

I recently downloaded iso's for Gentoo 1.4, and am looking for advice on the 
best way to install it. I currently have a mandrake 8.2 box, with a ton of 
stuff I've downloaded, medical and electronics info, and I'd rather not have 
to back it up onto CD, since I don't have a CDR (yes I know I should...).

My question is, is there a "safe" way to install OVER my mandrake (ie leaving 
partitions as is), does anyone know of any FAQs/HOWTOs to accomplish this.

Thanks,
thomasp

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[gentoo-user] 2.6 test_2/1 mm-sources

[Igor Lev]

I've tried out both test 1 and test 2 from mm-sources and I keep getting
DMA timeout errors on bootup using my highpoint 372 raid controller
built-in (Shuttle AK35GTR) as just a regular ide channel. DMA does not
become enabled by default of course though the rest of the boot process
proceeds fine and I'm able to turn it on using hdparm later on.  I was
just wondering if anyone else has seen this on similar hardware.
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage issues ..is it my fault?

[Simon Mushi]

Hi Dhruba,

Thanks for the responseumm the output of "emerge info" was as follows
Portage 2.0.48-r7 (default-x86-1.4, gcc-3.2.2, glibc-2.3.1-r4)
=
System uname: 2.4.20-gentoo-r5 i686 Pentium III (Katmai)
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://adelie.polymtl.ca/";
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /var/qmail/control /usr/kde/2/share/config
/usr/kde/3/share /config /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb /usr/kde/3.1/share/config
/usr/share/config"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/gconf /etc/env.d"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTDIR_OVERLAY=""
USE="x86 oss 3dnow apm avi crypt cups encode foomaticdb gif jpeg libg++
libwww m ad mikmod mmx mpeg ncurses nls pdflib png quicktime spell
truetype xml2 xmms xv zlib gtkhtml gdbm berkdb slang readline arts bonobo
svga tcltk java guile sdl gp m tcpd pam ssl perl python esd imlib
oggvorbis qt kde motif opengl mozilla cdr X  gtk gnome -alsa dvd"
COMPILER="gcc3"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe"
CXXFLAGS="-march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe"
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86 ~x86"
MAKEOPTS="-j3"
AUTOCLEAN="yes"
SYNC="rsync://rsync.namerica.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
FEATURES="sandbox ccache"

==
And just to remind you ...the problem I was having a whole bunch of errors
starting with teh word aux_get() referring to some ebuils

Hope it can help

Simon

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:

> Simon Mushi wrote:
> > Hi once again,
> > 
> > I am having a problem wit the portage system ..after I do an emerge rsync
> 
> Nasty errors.  Paste the output of 'emerge info'.  Also, update portage 
> if you are not running the latest version and if you are you could try 
> re-emerging it after a sync.  Just some thoughts.
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Ant build succeeded, but...

[Phil Barnett]

On Tuesday 12 August 2003 8:12 am, Larry Meadors wrote:

> The message "Buildfile: build.xml does not exist!" happens when you run
> ant and there is not a build.xml file in the current directory, or you
> do not specify one on the command line.
>
> Running ant will not create build.xml, but instead will process an
> existing one.
>
> When you run the emerge, what happens?

>>> emerge (1 of 4) dev-db/postgresql-7.3.4 to /
>>> md5 src_uri ;-) postgresql-7.3.4.tar.gz
>>> Unpacking source...
>>> Unpacking postgresql-7.3.4.tar.gz to 
/var/tmp/portage/postgresql-7.3.4/work
..
checking whether to build Java/JDBC tools... yes
checking for jakarta-ant... no
checking for ant... /usr/bin/ant
checking whether /usr/bin/ant works... no
configure: error: ant does not work

!!! ERROR: dev-db/postgresql-7.3.4 failed.
!!! Function src_compile, Line 93, Exitcode 1
!!! (no error message)

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Re: [gentoo-user] gnome-session-2.2.1 fails

[Andrew Farmer]

At 18 August, 2003 Andrew Farmer wrote:
> While emerging gnome-base/gnome-session-2.2.1:
>   checking for gconf-sanity-check-2... no
>   configure: error: gconf-sanity-check-2 executable not found in your path
>   - should be installed with GConf
> 
> gnome-base/gconf-2.2.0 is already installed, though. Didn't seem to
> include a gconf-sanity-check-2. Strange...

Fixed. Had to re-emerge gconf.

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage 2.0.49_pre???

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Norberto BENSA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is it unmasked by accident, or should we emerge this?
> 

from the cvs log for package.mask

revision 1.2353
date: 2003/08/18 18:54:30;  author: carpaski;  state: Exp;  lines: +0 -4
Unmasking portage


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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel 2.6 oddities

[Jason Stubbs]

On Tuesday 19 August 2003 11:21, Andrew Farmer wrote:
> I've also been trying out 2.6.0-test3. The new build system is great --
> no more make dep! -- but I've had some trouble with it. Most notably,
> some keyboard shortcuts in sawfish (I'm using sawfish with GNOME2 in a
> pretty normal configuration) sometimes take as much as 5 seconds to take
> effect. I'm not sure whether the delay is in sawfish or in launching the
> app -- the one I had the most trouble with was a shortcut to open an
> xterm. I think I heard something earlier about similar problems...
>
> Also, I wasn't able to make it compile correctly with modules -- the
> compilation worked fine, but depmod errored out during make
> install_modules. Probably my fault, though.

You need to emerge module-init-tools, if you haven't already. I would guess 
that's probably what caused your problems.

Regards,
Jason


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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel 2.6 oddities

[Jerry McBride]

On Monday 18 August 2003 10:21 pm, Andrew Farmer wrote:
> I've also been trying out 2.6.0-test3. 

---snip---

> Also, I wasn't able to make it compile correctly with modules -- the
> compilation worked fine, but depmod errored out during make
> install_modules. Probably my fault, though.

Not your fault. I had the exact same problem with mm-sources test3-mm2. Rather 
than sweat it out I just back stepped to mm1 sources.

Cheers.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel 2.6 oddities

[Andrew Farmer]

I've also been trying out 2.6.0-test3. The new build system is great --
no more make dep! -- but I've had some trouble with it. Most notably,
some keyboard shortcuts in sawfish (I'm using sawfish with GNOME2 in a
pretty normal configuration) sometimes take as much as 5 seconds to take
effect. I'm not sure whether the delay is in sawfish or in launching the
app -- the one I had the most trouble with was a shortcut to open an
xterm. I think I heard something earlier about similar problems...

Also, I wasn't able to make it compile correctly with modules -- the
compilation worked fine, but depmod errored out during make
install_modules. Probably my fault, though.

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[gentoo-user] portage 2.0.49_pre???

[Norberto BENSA]

Is it unmasked by accident, or should we emerge this?

Thanks in advance,
Norberto

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel 2.6 oddities

[Jason Stubbs]

On Tuesday 19 August 2003 07:40, Ulrich Plate wrote:
> I'm trying to go with the flow and do some 2.6 testing on my Vaio
> PCG-R505R/GK, and I'm experiencing a number of things I don't know what
> to make of. In no particular order:

I've got a Vaio PCG-FR33.

> * The console lost the | character, no matter how hard I hammer on that
>   key on my Japanese 106 keyboard. Works fine in X, though.

Exactly the same deal here. It's frustrating, isn't it?

> * cardmgr moans about being unable to get dependency info for eth1 (my
>   WLAN card) and suggests running depscan.sh, but this apparently
>   doesn't have any influence on the card - it's running perfectly.

I get several errors about modules, including some from cardmgr. However, as 
with you, everything is working fine so I haven't taken the time to find the 
source yet.

> * The mouse pointer in X all of a sudden whirls around the screen like
>   it's on amphetamines, MUCH faster than before (pretty much the same
>   behaviour as in W2K on the same machine)

In the kernel configuration, it asks you to specify the screen resolution. 
This is because the kernel now includes automatic scaling. I run in 1024x768 
but find that it scales too much for my liking and so tell the kernel that 
I'll be running in 800x600. I find that to be more usable.

> * My jogdial (really a wheel in the touchpad) has finally started to
>   ackknowledge it's a middle mouse button! I can now paste highlighted
>   text by pressing on that wheel - but of course sjogdial comes up,
>   too...

That's a good thing, right?

> * KWifimanager crashes with SIGFPE (never had a problem with that in
>   2.4.20)

This is a strange one. SIGFPE - what's that? Floating Point Exception, maybe? 
That would more likely be glibc than the kernel. But I can't really give any 
insight for this one.

> * Plugging in (and mounting) a USB flash memory stick works fine,
>   unplugging it, even after umounting, well:  I've attached the dmesg
>   output...

If you check the forums, there's a thread for each test of the 2.6 kernels. 
All of them, including the one for test3, show many people having problems 
with device drivers for newer technology - including ones that are working 
properly in the 2.4 series.

Device class '2:0:0:0' does not have a release() function, it is broken and 
must be fixed.
Badness in class_dev_release at drivers/base/class.c:201

Heheh, I love Linux error messages.

> Hope I'm not annoying anyone with this not very systematic approach to
> debugging... :) Any comments warmly welcome.

Not at all!

Regards,
Jason


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Re: [gentoo-user] video 4 linux

[Davi Jose O Bueno]

Thank's...
It work for me

On Saturday 16 August 2003 10:32, Meka[ni] wrote:
> On 16 Aug 2003 14:45:59 +0200
>
> Denny Schierz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > hi,
> >
> > i don't know, what you did, so go to this site:
> >
> > http://bytesex.org/v4l/build.html
> >
> > install v4l ver.1 or better install v4l 2. After that in stall this bttv
> > driver if you have a bttv driver card.
> >
> > http://bytesex.org/bttv/
> >
> > On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 02:41, Davi Jose O Bueno wrote:
> > > /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-xfs-r3/drivers/media/video/v4l1-compat.o:
> > > couldn't find the kernel version the module was compiled for
> >
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> >
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>
>   What kind of TV card do you have? Maybe you don't need compat. On the
> other hand, you can do insmod -f  which forces loading in some
> cases, like kernel version mismatch. Good luck
>
> 
> Meka[ni]
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel 2.6 oddities

[Chris I]

On 2003.08.18 19:05, Alan wrote:
> * The mouse pointer in X all of a sudden whirls around the screen
like
>   it's on amphetamines, MUCH faster than before (pretty much the
same
>   behaviour as in W2K on the same machine)
I've seen the same when switching from a 2.4 to 2.5 kernel.  I guess
something in the new mouse input system made things more sensitive.  I
had to turn sensitivity and acceleration all the way down in the gnome
config.  Maybe some playing with xset(1) will help?
Try using one of those new logitech mice in 800dpi mode. It seems like 
a good idea, but i dont even _see_ the mouse as it flies across the 
screen ;)

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Re: [gentoo-user] building a file server

[Jason Stubbs]

On Tuesday 19 August 2003 05:46, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:
(B> Jason Stubbs wrote:
(B> > If you want only one service, why not use ftp? W2K has a pretty
(B> > interface for ftp that looks the same as explorer. Linux clients will
(B> > get all the correct permissions and such. That would be my suggestion
(B> > if you need to mix the two.
(B>
(B> Don't count on Windows to make this easy.  Sure, W2K *now* has ftp.  But
(B> don't forget that NT came out with FTP *only* on the servers, not on the
(B> "pro" version (read: desktop).  You had to be hooked to an WinNT server to
(B> perform FTP transfers.  Ain't that sweet!  There is no guarantee that
(B> Win2003 in the non-server version will have ftp.  And you *will* have to
(B> upgrade.  Bet on it.
(B>
(BHmmm, right and wrong. True WinNT didn't have a inbuilt FTP client and it was 
(Bonly with Win2K & WinME that it was integrated into explorer. However, no 
(Bmatter what they take out of explorer.exe, iexplore.exe (well, that's just a 
(Bwrapper now) will always have it's ftp folder view thingy. I seriously doubt 
(Bthat they would remove that functionality though - part of them making it 
(B"easy to integrate with your existing proprietary solution".
(B
(BWhat do you mean exactly when you say that NT only came with FTP on the 
(Bservers? You mean the command line ftp client? You mean an FTP server itself? 
(BWin2k/XP et al have iis (cut version on the workstations) but my 
(Bunderstanding is that the file server would be on Gentoo and the Win box 
(Bwould just be accessing the files.
(B
(BRegards,
(BJason
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[gentoo-user] boot partition is lost at boot up

[Rick Sivernell]

I have a major problem. I have installed about a month ago r5 and life was
running. I am using ex3 on /boot and reiserfs on all other partitions. On a
system reboot last friday I lost all ability to boot into the system. I have
performed the following 1 fsck -p /dev/hda(1)(2)(3) /boot swap & /(root), 
with a super block corruption. I did install a new cdrw scsi drive into the
system, while bios saw it gentoo did not. Today on furthur investagation I find
that/dev/hda(1)(2)(3) are non exsistant. I CREATED THE LINKS, I HAVE A LAPTOP 
RUNNING GENTOO R5, on reboot there are no links to /dev/hda. 

I have even tried to use MAKDEV and it makes the nodes for hdxx, on reboot they
are gone. Is the file/etc/devfsd.conf at fault here? I need to get this fixed as
I am writing software for a college course. I will send any further info if I
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RE: [gentoo-user] Sendmail, no sendmail

[Condon Thomas A KPWA]

Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:
> Brian Downey wrote:
>>> 
>>> sendmail: RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (553 sorry, that domain
>>> isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1))
>>> 
>> 
>> An answer, and a couple questions:
>> 
>> 1.  check your /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf.  Make sure that @_HOSTNAME_ is
>> actually replaced with a FQDN.  While you're in there, check out the
>> other stuff too and make sure it's correct.
> 
> I'll do that tonight, but what is "a FQDN"?

More thought, less typing.  Fully qualified domain name.  Or maybe it was
the cluebat.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel 2.6 oddities

[Alan]

> * The mouse pointer in X all of a sudden whirls around the screen like
>   it's on amphetamines, MUCH faster than before (pretty much the same
>   behaviour as in W2K on the same machine)

I've seen the same when switching from a 2.4 to 2.5 kernel.  I guess
something in the new mouse input system made things more sensitive.  I
had to turn sensitivity and acceleration all the way down in the gnome
config.  Maybe some playing with xset(1) will help?

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[gentoo-user] Automake fails

[Denny Schierz]

hi,


emerge (-u world) automake fails:

---
cd ../../lib && make  autom4te.cfg
cd ../../lib/m4sugar && make  version.m4
make[3]: Entering directory
`/var/tmp/portage/autoconf-2.57-r1/work/autoconf-2.57/lib'
rm -f autom4te.cfg autom4te.tmp
sed -e 's,@SHELL\@,/bin/sh,g' -e 's,@PERL\@,/usr/bin/perl,g' -e
's,@bindir\@,/usr/bin,g' -e 's,@datadir\@,/usr/share/autoconf,g' -e
's,@prefix\@,/usr,g' -e 's,@autoconf-name\@,'`echo autoconf | sed
's,x,x,'`',g' -e 's,@autoheader-name\@,'`echo autoheader | sed
's,x,x,'`',g' -e 's,@autom4te-name\@,'`echo autom4te | sed 's,x,x,'`',g'
-e 's,@M4\@,/usr/bin/m4,g' -e 's,@AWK\@,gawk,g' -e 's,@VERSION\@,2.57,g'
-e 's,@PACKAGE_NAME\@,GNU Autoconf,g' ./autom4te.in >autom4te.tmp
make[3]: Entering directory
`/var/tmp/portage/autoconf-2.57-r1/work/autoconf-2.57/lib/m4sugar'
make[3]: `version.m4' is up to date.
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/autoconf-2.57-r1/work/autoconf-2.57/lib/m4sugar'
mv autom4te.tmp autom4te.cfg
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/autoconf-2.57-r1/work/autoconf-2.57/lib'
../../tests/autom4te\
--language=m4sugar  \
--freeze\
--output=m4sugar.m4f
../../tests/autom4te\
--language=m4sh \
--freeze\
--output=m4sh.m4f
Can't locate File/Spec.pm in @INC (@INC contains:
/var/tmp/portage/autoconf-2.57-r1/work/autoconf-2.57/lib
/usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i586-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i586-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i586-linux
/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at
/var/tmp/portage/autoconf-2.57-r1/work/autoconf-2.57/lib/Autom4te/General.pm line 24.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at
/var/tmp/portage/autoconf-2.57-r1/work/autoconf-2.57/lib/Autom4te/General.pm line 24.
Compilation failed in require at
/var/tmp/portage/autoconf-2.57-r1/work/autoconf-2.57/bin/autom4te line
40.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at
/var/tmp/portage/autoconf-2.57-r1/work/autoconf-2.57/bin/autom4te line
40.
make[2]: *** [m4sh.m4f] Error 2
make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
Can't locate File/Spec.pm in @INC (@INC contains:
/var/tmp/portage/autoconf-2.57-r1/work/autoconf-2.57/lib
/usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0/i586-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.0
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i586-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i586-linux
/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at
/var/tmp/portage/autoconf-2.57-r1/work/autoconf-2.57/lib/Autom4te/General.pm line 24.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at
/var/tmp/portage/autoconf-2.57-r1/work/autoconf-2.57/lib/Autom4te/General.pm line 24.
Compilation failed in require at
/var/tmp/portage/autoconf-2.57-r1/work/autoconf-2.57/bin/autom4te line
40.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at
/var/tmp/portage/autoconf-2.57-r1/work/autoconf-2.57/bin/autom4te line
40.
make[2]: *** [m4sugar.m4f] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/autoconf-2.57-r1/work/autoconf-2.57/lib/m4sugar'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/autoconf-2.57-r1/work/autoconf-2.57/lib'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1

!!! ERROR: sys-devel/autoconf-2.57-r1 failed.
!!! Function src_compile, Line 52, Exitcode 2
!!! (no error message)


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RE: [gentoo-user] Sendmail, no sendmail

[Condon Thomas A KPWA]

Brian Downey wrote:
>> 
>> sendmail: RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (553 sorry, that domain
>> isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1))
>> 
> 
> An answer, and a couple questions:
> 
> 1.  check your /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf.  Make sure that @_HOSTNAME_ is
> actually replaced with a FQDN.  While you're in there, check out the
> other stuff too and make sure it's correct.

I'll do that tonight, but what is "a FQDN"?
 
> 2. What MTA (if at all) are you running?

None, to my knowledge.  I haven't gotten to the point of setting up anything
for mail on this box, and I probably won't.
 
> 3. Do you have a cronjob on the box that is sending out root messages?

I looked at the cron jobs and I don't see anything running that often.
There is a daily, but it didn't seem to be doing anything like this.  There
was one that performed at a rate of "*/15" (first column), whatever that is
for timing, but I don't think it had any message traffic, either.  I'll look
into that more tonight.

Thanks for the clues.  No I'll just use that clue-bat I bought to pound them
in...THWACK! THWACK! THWACK!


In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,

Tom  :-})

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Re: [gentoo-user] small installation

[Marius Mauch]

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:37:04 +0200
Ewald Geschwinde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I need a very small installation of gentoo.
> 
> Is it possible to get gentoo under 80 MB ?

Not without massive tweaking, you would have to download and compile
everything on another machine, change the system profile to exclude gcc
and other stuff, purge locales, maybe compress binaries, ...

After all it wouldn't be really a gentoo system anymore without gcc,
python and portage, so you would be better off with an distro especially
for embedded systems.

Marius

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results

[Andrew Cowie]

On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 00:31, Nicolas STURMEL wrote:
> brett holcomb wrote:
> > Stage 1 tarball installs enough to get things rolling so a system can be
> > built.  Then it builds the system optimized for your computer.  It takes
> > a while but works well.
> > 
> 
> But what is the différence with the Stage 3 since all is re-built during
> updates ?

No, you're right. 

Personally, I've built from both; Stage 3 means you're up and running
much faster. Over time your system will rebuild (especially the next
time you run emerge rsync && emerge --deep --update world).

Given that your system *will* be rebuilt eventually with all your spiffy
optimizations, if bandwidth isn't a problem you're probably better off
to just bring the huge .iso / stage tarball down and get on with it,
even knowing you will duplicate a fair portion of that download over
time as updates occur.

On the other hand if bandwidth is a problem, and time isn't, or if
you're building a small tight system (ie a server which doesn't need X
or Office or other such huge beasties) then starting from stage 1 or 2
will mean you download a lot less of what you don't need - at the cost
of waiting a few days for the system to come up.

AfC

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[gentoo-user] Kernel 2.6 oddities

[Ulrich Plate]

I'm trying to go with the flow and do some 2.6 testing on my Vaio
PCG-R505R/GK, and I'm experiencing a number of things I don't know what
to make of. In no particular order:

* The console lost the | character, no matter how hard I hammer on that
  key on my Japanese 106 keyboard. Works fine in X, though.
* cardmgr moans about being unable to get dependency info for eth1 (my
  WLAN card) and suggests running depscan.sh, but this apparently
  doesn't have any influence on the card - it's running perfectly.
* The mouse pointer in X all of a sudden whirls around the screen like
  it's on amphetamines, MUCH faster than before (pretty much the same
  behaviour as in W2K on the same machine)
* My jogdial (really a wheel in the touchpad) has finally started to 
  ackknowledge it's a middle mouse button! I can now paste highlighted 
  text by pressing on that wheel - but of course sjogdial comes up, 
  too... 
* KWifimanager crashes with SIGFPE (never had a problem with that in
  2.4.20)
* Plugging in (and mounting) a USB flash memory stick works fine,
  unplugging it, even after umounting, well:  I've attached the dmesg
  output...

Hope I'm not annoying anyone with this not very systematic approach to
debugging... :) Any comments warmly welcome.

Cheers
Ulrich Plate
hub 1-0:0: debounce: port 1: delay 100ms stable 4 status 0x101
hub 1-0:0: new USB device on port 1, assigned address 2
scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
  Vendor: Generic   Model: Flash DiskRev: 7.77
  Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 02
SCSI device sdb: 128000 512-byte hdwr sectors (66 MB)
sdb: Write Protect is off
sdb: Mode Sense: 00 06 00 00
SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write through
 /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: p1
Attached scsi removable disk sdb at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
Attached scsi generic sg2 at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0,  type 0
WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured
USB Mass Storage device found at 2
usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 2
Device class '2:0:0:0' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be 
fixed.
Badness in class_dev_release at drivers/base/class.c:201
Call Trace:
 [] kobject_cleanup+0x88/0x90
 [] class_device_unregister+0x13/0x30
 [] scsi_device_unregister+0x1f/0x30
 [] scsi_remove_device+0xf/0x20
 [] scsi_forget_host+0x28/0x40
 [] scsi_remove_host+0x43/0x50
 [] storage_disconnect+0x71/0x8b
 [] usb_unbind_interface+0x76/0x80
 [] device_release_driver+0x66/0x70
 [] bus_remove_device+0x5e/0xb0
 [] device_del+0x5d/0xa0
 [] device_unregister+0x13/0x30
 [] usb_disconnect+0xd5/0x100
 [] hub_port_connect_change+0x33f/0x350
 [] hub_port_status+0x3d/0xb0
 [] hub_events+0x31c/0x360
 [] hub_thread+0x35/0xf0
 [] ret_from_fork+0x6/0x14
 [] default_wake_function+0x0/0x30
 [] hub_thread+0x0/0xf0
 [] kernel_thread_helper+0x5/0xc

kobject 'class_obj' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed.
Badness in kobject_cleanup at lib/kobject.c:402
Call Trace:
 [] kobject_cleanup+0x5f/0x90
 [] scsi_device_unregister+0x1f/0x30
 [] scsi_remove_device+0xf/0x20
 [] scsi_forget_host+0x28/0x40
 [] scsi_remove_host+0x43/0x50
 [] storage_disconnect+0x71/0x8b
 [] usb_unbind_interface+0x76/0x80
 [] device_release_driver+0x66/0x70
 [] bus_remove_device+0x5e/0xb0
 [] device_del+0x5d/0xa0
 [] device_unregister+0x13/0x30
 [] usb_disconnect+0xd5/0x100
 [] hub_port_connect_change+0x33f/0x350
 [] hub_port_status+0x3d/0xb0
 [] hub_events+0x31c/0x360
 [] hub_thread+0x35/0xf0
 [] ret_from_fork+0x6/0x14
 [] default_wake_function+0x0/0x30
 [] hub_thread+0x0/0xf0
 [] kernel_thread_helper+0x5/0xc

kobject 'sdb1' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed.
Badness in kobject_cleanup at lib/kobject.c:402
Call Trace:
 [] kobject_cleanup+0x5f/0x90
 [] delete_partition+0x8c/0xc0
 [] del_gendisk+0x39/0xe0
 [] sd_remove+0x20/0x60
 [] device_release_driver+0x66/0x70
 [] bus_remove_device+0x5e/0xb0
 [] device_del+0x5d/0xa0
 [] device_unregister+0x13/0x30
 [] scsi_remove_device+0xf/0x20
 [] scsi_forget_host+0x28/0x40
 [] scsi_remove_host+0x43/0x50
 [] storage_disconnect+0x71/0x8b
 [] usb_unbind_interface+0x76/0x80
 [] device_release_driver+0x66/0x70
 [] bus_remove_device+0x5e/0xb0
 [] device_del+0x5d/0xa0
 [] device_unregister+0x13/0x30
 [] usb_disconnect+0xd5/0x100
 [] hub_port_connect_change+0x33f/0x350
 [] hub_port_status+0x3d/0xb0
 [] hub_events+0x31c/0x360
 [] hub_thread+0x35/0xf0
 [] ret_from_fork+0x6/0x14
 [] default_wake_function+0x0/0x30
 [] hub_thread+0x0/0xf0
 [] kernel_thread_helper+0x5/0xc

kobject 'iosched' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed.
Badness in kobject_cleanup at lib/kobject.c:402
Call Trace:
 [] kobject_cleanup+0x5f/0x90
 [] elv_unregister_queue+0x1a/0x40
 [] blk_unregister_queue+0x1e/0x50
 [] unlink_gendisk+0x21/0x90
 [] del_gendisk+0x66/0xe0
 [] sd_remove+0x20/0x60
 [] device_release_driver+0x66/0x70
 [] bus_remove_device+0x5e/0xb0
 [] device_del+0x5d/0xa0
 [] device_unregiste

[gentoo-user] small installation

[Ewald Geschwinde]

I need a very small installation of gentoo.

Is it possible to get gentoo under 80 MB ?

Maybe anyone does know?

Regards Ewald Geschwinde



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Re: [gentoo-user] Live CD Bootscreen

[Joe Stroller]

On Monday, 18 August 2003, at 10:43 pm, Jon Ellis wrote:

On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 14:21, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
I have not tried the new installation cds but there were excellent
demonstrations on silent bootsplash screens with progress bar on 
Gentoo
Live Game CDs.  So far, there's enemy territory, american army and
unreal tournament 2003.  Try them out if you like although the iso's 
may
be difficult to find.  Last I saw they were on the link below.
Yeah, I have seen the splash screens on the game CDs before.  The new
live cd is the same thing, but with a (in my opinion) better image.  It
looks really slick!  I want it now ;-)!
I haven't seen the any of these splash screens except the UT2003 demo 
game CD. It's not really worth me downloading the whole of 1.4.iso just 
to look at the pretty pictures - has anyone got any screenshots they 
can post links to..?

Stroller.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Live CD Bootscreen

[Larry Augschöll]

On Monday 18 August 2003 23:43, Jon Ellis wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 14:21, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
> > I have not tried the new installation cds but there were excellent
> > demonstrations on silent bootsplash screens with progress bar on Gentoo
> > Live Game CDs.  So far, there's enemy territory, american army and
> > unreal tournament 2003.  Try them out if you like although the iso's may
> > be difficult to find.  Last I saw they were on the link below.
>
> Yeah, I have seen the splash screens on the game CDs before.  The new
> live cd is the same thing, but with a (in my opinion) better image.  It
> looks really slick!  I want it now ;-)!

This sounds like a workaround: http://www.aichler.net/gentoo/bootsplash/



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Re: [gentoo-user] Live CD Bootscreen

[Jon Ellis]

On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 14:21, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
> I have not tried the new installation cds but there were excellent 
> demonstrations on silent bootsplash screens with progress bar on Gentoo 
> Live Game CDs.  So far, there's enemy territory, american army and 
> unreal tournament 2003.  Try them out if you like although the iso's may 
> be difficult to find.  Last I saw they were on the link below.

Yeah, I have seen the splash screens on the game CDs before.  The new
live cd is the same thing, but with a (in my opinion) better image.  It
looks really slick!  I want it now ;-)!

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage issues ..is it my fault?

[Dhruba Bandopadhyay]

Simon Mushi wrote:
Hi once again,

I am having a problem wit the portage system ..after I do an emerge rsync
Nasty errors.  Paste the output of 'emerge info'.  Also, update portage 
if you are not running the latest version and if you are you could try 
re-emerging it after a sync.  Just some thoughts.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results

[Dhruba Bandopadhyay]

Mark Knecht wrote:
Votes Percent  Reason
 47   82% Install from stage 1
  1  2% Install from stage 2
  916% Install from stage 3


Wow! I'm totally surprised! Do most people really do a stage 1 install? I
still haven't done one yet. (Chicken)
Can someone fill me in on what would be the end-user advantage of doing a
stage 1 install? Is the machine fast? More stable? Why do all the work?
Sorry to butt in late.

IMO, Stage 1 installations are what Gentoo is all about.  It provides 
what the installation guide calls very rightly uber-optimisation!  It 
allows you to specify your own custom cflags and your own custom use 
flags whereas a precompiled GRP package will have these settings 
determined by a second party.

I am a control freak and like to specify my own settings and configure 
the installation every step of the way despite the extra time it may 
take.  And look at it this way, if you're going to recompile with emerge 
-e world why not do it in the first place with a stage 1 install?  Correct?

Bootstrapping is a lot quicker than it used to be since it doesn't 
recompile gcc etc twice anymore.  So that's a big speed up.

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[gentoo-user] hotkeys blocks db-4*

[Raimar Sandner]

Hi!

x11-misc/hotkeys-0.5.7.1-r1 blocks  >=sys-libs/db-4*. Why is this?
If I decide to use db-3.2.9-r6 as suggested by hotkeys, can I
convert my databases (for example spamassassins bayes_* files) to
the old format?

Thank you.
Regards
Raimar Sandner

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo 1.4 Basic-Installation CD really buggy (20030806)

[Dhruba Bandopadhyay]

Thorsten Kampe wrote:
Sorry, what happened? RC4 was perfect...
It's difficult to say what happened exactly but each live cd release 
version is different and every installation experience is different.  If 
you are having problems file bugs and you will get official feedback on 
your problems.  Alternatively, due to the nature of the distribution you 
may use any cd version to install it as all of them give the same end 
product.  It may however be a fact that Gentoo requires a few more 
version releases before it begins to provide a streamlined and matured 
product that can be representative of its merits.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Live CD Bootscreen

[Dhruba Bandopadhyay]

Jon Ellis wrote:
On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 13:55, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:

Silent mode does not work at the moment.  It isn't supported by the 
Gentoo init scripts yet but they are working on incorporating it.  Look 
at [1] and add yourself as CC.


Thanks for the response.  It's too bad that this isn't supported yet. 
It looks really good on the new live CD's.  Well I will be looking
forward to when it's supported!
I have not tried the new installation cds but there were excellent 
demonstrations on silent bootsplash screens with progress bar on Gentoo 
Live Game CDs.  So far, there's enemy territory, american army and 
unreal tournament 2003.  Try them out if you like although the iso's may 
be difficult to find.  Last I saw they were on the link below.

http://www.gentoogames.com/

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Re: [gentoo-user] Sendmail, no sendmail

[Brian Downey]

>
> Folks,
>
> I'm puzzled.  I get the following error message on my console of a new
> Gentoo install (soon to be a web server, but not there yet):
>
> 
> sendmail: RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (553 sorry, that domain
> isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1))
> 

An answer, and a couple questions:

1.  check your /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf.  Make sure that @_HOSTNAME_ is
actually replaced with a FQDN.  While you're in there, check out the other
stuff too and make sure it's correct.

2. What MTA (if at all) are you running?

3. Do you have a cronjob on the box that is sending out root messages?

-brian

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Re: [gentoo-user] Live CD Bootscreen

[Jon Ellis]

On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 13:55, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
> Silent mode does not work at the moment.  It isn't supported by the 
> Gentoo init scripts yet but they are working on incorporating it.  Look 
> at [1] and add yourself as CC.

Thanks for the response.  It's too bad that this isn't supported yet. 
It looks really good on the new live CD's.  Well I will be looking
forward to when it's supported!

Jon


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Re: [gentoo-user] building a file server

[Condon Thomas A KPWA]

Jason Stubbs wrote:
> If you want only one service, why not use ftp? W2K has a pretty
> interface for ftp that looks the same as explorer. Linux clients will
> get all the correct permissions and such. That would be my suggestion
> if you need to mix the two. 

Don't count on Windows to make this easy.  Sure, W2K *now* has ftp.  But
don't forget that NT came out with FTP *only* on the servers, not on the
"pro" version (read: desktop).  You had to be hooked to an WinNT server to
perform FTP transfers.  Ain't that sweet!  There is no guarantee that
Win2003 in the non-server version will have ftp.  And you *will* have to
upgrade.  Bet on it.


In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,

Tom  :-})

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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-source 2.4.20-r6

[Dhruba Bandopadhyay]

Chris Bare wrote:
I just did an emerge -u --deep world. It did not list the gentoo-source
as a package it would upgrade, but I happened to look at the messages
streaming by and saw that it was installing 2.4.20-r6.
That is very odd.  Run 'regenworld' and 'emerge regen'.  Read below.

I was kind-of surprised that I'd get a new kernel version so stealthily.
qpkg shows I have r5 and r6 installed:
Perhaps emerge -Pp gentoo-sources would also be appropriate.

# qpkg -I -v gentoo-source
sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r5 *
sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r6 *
It isn't done by stealth.  It *should* specify it in the list of 
updates.  Perhaps it was the manner in which you listed the updates.  I 
usually do a 'emerge -Duvp world'.

I have 2 questions.
How would I have even known this got installed if I hadn't happened to
see it scroll by?
Log the list of updates and log the entire update process.  Examples are 
given below.

emerge -Duvlp world > /tmp/portage/list.log
emerge -Du world | tee /tmp/portage/update.log
How do I find out what's in r6 to decide if I want to build/install/run
it?
Take a look at the daily cvs changelog for all packages (on gentoo 
website and on mailing list) or individual version changelogs for 
packages by doing [1] or [2].

[1] emerge -l  (to list changelog entry for one package - 
do this before the update)
[2] emerge -Duvlp world  (to list changelog entries for all package 
updates automatically - again do after emerge sync and before updating)

The -l flag only works on pending updates and not after the updates have 
been performed.

HTH.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Live CD Bootscreen

[Dhruba Bandopadhyay]

Jon Ellis wrote:
Thank you for the replies!

I have followed the instructions here, but I haven't had any luck.  I do
have the frame buffer images working, but it won't work in silent mode. 
Silent mode does not work at the moment.  It isn't supported by the 
Gentoo init scripts yet but they are working on incorporating it.  Look 
at [1] and add yourself as CC.

[1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21019

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[gentoo-user] Sendmail, no sendmail

[Condon Thomas A KPWA]

Folks,

I'm puzzled.  I get the following error message on my console of a new
Gentoo install (soon to be a web server, but not there yet):


sendmail: RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (553 sorry, that domain
isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1))


The message appears more often than once per hour, although I haven't timed
it.  I went looking.  I do not have sendmail installed.  AFAIK I don't have
*any* mail program installed.

The hosts file is set for my network, and the only other full time occupant
of this net is a SuSE 8.0 system that is running fine.  The network is
behind a firewall (Actiontec DSL modem/router/firewall).  No other system on
the network has this message.  Adding any of the laptops (three of them) to
the net doesn't change things.

Can someone shed some light on this subject?  Or just give me a hint as to
direction to search?

TIA.


In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,

Tom  :-})

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Re: [gentoo-user] Live CD Bootscreen

[Jon Ellis]

Thank you for the replies!

I have followed the instructions here, but I haven't had any luck.  I do
have the frame buffer images working, but it won't work in silent mode. 
My syslog reads

bootsplash: silent mode.

I executed sbin/splash -s -f
/etc/bootsplash/default/config/bootsplash-1024x768.cfg >
/boot/initrd-1024x768 and changed my grub.conf file to use it and set
splash=silent.  And yes, /boot is mounted ;-).  Any ideas why this won't
work?

jon

On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 12:53, Larry Augschöll wrote:
> On Monday 18 August 2003 19:53, Jon Ellis wrote:
> > The bootscreen with the progress bar looks really slick.  Is there a way
> > to get that on my Gentoo install?
> 
> have a look here.
> 
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=49036&highlight=bootsplash+grubsplash
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge gnucash !!

[Owen Gunden]

On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 03:52:45PM +0300, raptor wrote:
> gnuCash 1.8.2 fails on the same place

File a bug on bugs.gentoo.org if you want this to get fixed.  Run:

emerge gnucash 2>&1 | tee /tmp/gnucash.log

and then attach gnucash.log to the bug.


Cheers,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Live CD Bootscreen

[Larry Augschöll]

On Monday 18 August 2003 19:53, Jon Ellis wrote:
> The bootscreen with the progress bar looks really slick.  Is there a way
> to get that on my Gentoo install?

have a look here.

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=49036&highlight=bootsplash+grubsplash


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RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results

[Jason Nielsen]

> > i think, by using the system, i wouldn't notice better speed
> > between stage 1
> > and stage 2.
> > my two servers at home have gentoo linux installed with stage 2. (i was
> > relatively new to linux and new to gentoo and thought, stage 1 would be to
> > hard. ;)
> >
> > why do 80%+ a stage 1 install? i think;
> > -stage 1 install is fun (didn't try it until now, but isn't it?)
> > -a stage 1 installer is rather voting at this pool (-;
> > -good linux users might think: if gentoo, then stage 1 because i want see
> > the whole prettiness...
> >
> 
> I admit that at this point I've thought about doing a bring-up from Stage 1
> the next time I build a box, but I'm having a hard time convincing myself
> that I should take my personal desktop machine, built using Stage 3, offline
> and rebuild it from Stage 1. Sounds like others would agree. I may set up a
> group of new partitions and drop it in along side what I already have and
> move over more slowly if it goes well.
> 
> When I first tried Gentoo the installation page made all stages sound
> difficult to me, so I just did Stage 3. I'm just an end-user type. I don't
> run machines for a living and my Unix experience doesn't go much beyond vi.
> However, I was totally blown away at how precise and accurate the Stage 3
> instructions were, and later when I went back and looked at Stage 1 & 2,
> it's not that they look difficult, it's just there's more time involved to
> do it. Fortunately the number of instructions one has to do by hand is not
> that large, so I most probably will do that one of these days.
> 
> Thanks all,
> Mark
> 

Personally I only do Stage 1 installs because I have a dualie and do a lot
of numerical work and hence the default USE flags and CFLAG opts aren't
quite right.  Doing all that compiling for fun doesn't sound to fun too
me... well it did the first time.. but several systems and recompiles
later the novelty wears off ;-)!  I'd say that if you have a pentium 4 and
don't particularly need to tweak anything just use the 1.4 pentium 4
install with the GRP... this is optimized for a pentium 4 so no different
from you compiling it with the default p4 opts and USE flags.  That is the
beauty of Gentoo... as configurable as you want and lots of optimized
pre-compiled stuff to boot!!

Cheers,

Jason

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[gentoo-user] spamassassin and qmail, somethings broken

[Gregg]

I can see that its using spamd just fine. Sees clean and bad ones:

spamd[17412]: [info] setuid to qmailq succeeded
spamd[17412]: [checking message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for
qmailq] 204.
spamd[17412]: [clean message (0.0/5.0) for qmailq] 204 in 0.1 seconds, 280
bytes.
spamd[6149]: [info] setuid to qmailq succeeded
spamd[6149]: [checking message <9PS291LhupY> for qmailq] 204.
spamd[6149]: [identified spam (15.8/5.0) for qmailq] 204 in 1.1 seconds,
1552 bytes.

This is in my local.cf

required_hits 5
rewrite_subject 1
report_header 1
subject_tag "[spam]"



It still isnt changing the subject at all in qmail, but if I put a spam in
a text file and do:
spamassassin < bademail.txt
It sees it and i can see it change it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] X is not accepting connections (solved)

[Rudmer van Dijk]

Thanks!

On Monday 18 August 2003 01:02, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Sunday 17 August 2003 18:31, Rudmer van Dijk wrote:
> > I have a problem: I cannot display windows from a remote machine.
> > when I log in to another machine and want to see the window displayed on
> > my machine I set up the DISPLAY variable on that machine and on my
> > machine I use xhost to grant the other machine access. But I get an error
> > that it can't open the display...
> >

>
> if you have this in ps aux:
>
> root  1414  0.8  4.3 288108 22216 ?  SL   19:53   1:35 /etc/X11/X
> -nolisten tcp

yes, something like that

> comment this line in /etc/X11/xdm/Xserver
> :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X -nolisten tcp

actually it was located in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf
Thanks for pointing this out!

> BUT that is huge possible security leak! Be carefull with your passwords.

Yeah, I know... but I only use this for internal uses and the machine running 
X is not directly connected to internet.


Rudmer


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[gentoo-user] gnome-session-2.2.1 fails

[Andrew Farmer]

While emerging gnome-base/gnome-session-2.2.1:
checking for gconf-sanity-check-2... no
configure: error: gconf-sanity-check-2 executable not found in your path
- should be installed with GConf

gnome-base/gconf-2.2.0 is already installed, though. Didn't seem to
include a gconf-sanity-check-2. Strange...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Live CD Bootscreen

[Marijn Koesen]

Yes that is possible, it's called bootsplash: http://www.bootsplash.org/
haven't tested it myself on Gentoo yet, but a friend of mine has and it
works.

On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 19:53, Jon Ellis wrote:
> The bootscreen with the progress bar looks really slick.  Is there a way
> to get that on my Gentoo install?
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RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results

[Mark Knecht]

> 
> Perhaps those who install from stage 1 aren't quite as lazy as us stage
> 3 people, and they are the only ones that took the time to respond to
> the poll ;-)
> 
LOL!! Such sarcasm Jon! ;-) You could be exactly right!


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[gentoo-user] Live CD Bootscreen

[Jon Ellis]

The bootscreen with the progress bar looks really slick.  Is there a way
to get that on my Gentoo install?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Modprobe DAC960 Raidcontroller Segfault

[Philipp Kügle]

Am Samstag, 16. August 2003 15:31 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Hi,

> I'm trying to install a server (Dual PPro) with a Mylex
> Raidcontroller (DAC960). First I tried the 1.4 _final_basic-cd but
> there was no SMP-Kernel so I jumped back to the 1.4-rc4-CD which
> detects the Processors and all hardware (except raid :-)) just fine.

Same hardware here, with same problem with the basic CD. I saw you are 
using a old Fireware for the Mylex. I am using the 3.52 from 
http://www.lsilogic.com/products/stor_prod/raid/legacy_dac960.html

Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960: * DAC960 RAID Driver Version 
2.4.11 of 11 October 2001 *
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960: Copyright 1998-2001 by Leonard N. 
Zubkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0: Configuring Mylex DAC960PD PCI 
RAID Controller
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:   Firmware Version: 3.52-0-02, 
Channels: 3, Memory Size: 4MB
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:   PCI Bus: 1, Device: 10, 
Function: 0, I/O Address: 0xE400
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:   PCI Address: 0xFEBFF800 mapped 
at 0xD0800800, IRQ Channel: 22
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:   Controller Queue Depth: 64, 
Maximum Blocks per Command: 128
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:   Driver Queue Depth: 63, 
Scatter/Gather Limit: 17 of 17 Segments
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:   Stripe Size: 64KB, Segment 
Size: 8KB, BIOS Geometry: 255/63
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:   Physical Devices:
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0: 0:0  Vendor: IBM   Model: 
DGHS18Y   Revision: 03B0
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:  Serial Number:   
6800F1E44K
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:  Disk Status: Online, 
35430400 blocks
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0: 0:1  Vendor: IBM   Model: 
DGHS18Y   Revision: 03B0
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:  Serial Number:   
6800A2235K
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:  Disk Status: Online, 
35430400 blocks
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0: 1:3  Vendor: IBM   Model: 
DGHS18Y   Revision: 03B0
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:  Serial Number:   
6800FDC54K
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:  Disk Status: Online, 
35430400 blocks
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0: 1:4  Vendor: IBM   Model: 
DGHS18Y   Revision: 03B0
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:  Serial Number:   
680141F34K
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:  Disk Status: Online, 
35430400 blocks
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0: 2:2  Vendor: SEAGATE   Model: 
ST318275LCRevision: 0359
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:  Serial Number: 
3AK0E90L101627ES
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:  Disk Status: Online, 
35565568 blocks
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0: 2:6  Vendor: IBM   Model: 
DGHS18Y   Revision: 03B0
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:  Serial Number:   
6800FBE74K
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:  Disk Status: Online, 
35430400 blocks
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0:   Logical Drives:
Aug 12 17:33:08 S002 kernel: DAC960#0: /dev/rd/c0d0: RAID-5, Online, 
177152000 blocks, Write Thru

Bye
Philipp


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[gentoo-user] Gentoo 1.4 Basic-Installation CD really buggy (20030806)

[Thorsten Kampe]

The Gentoo Basic Installation CD is quite buggy. Just a few errors
noticed while starting:

1. "/proc/splash: No such file or directory"
2. The bash history buffer is full of commands issued by the developer

Okay, 1. and 2. where rather cosmetic, the stopping issues are really
annoying: Rebooting or halting "doesn't work" (tested on a Acer
Laptop, IBM NetVista and a VMware host).

It hangs at various stages: "stopping USB and PCI hotplugging" or
while shutting down the "lo" interface. A test installation under
VMware went successfully until the final reboot:

"/sbin/rc: line 151: /bin/sync: No such file or directory"
"/sbin/rc: line 151: /bin/sync: No such file or directory"
"/sbin/rc: line 1: /prc/cmdline: No such file or directory"
"/sbin/rc: line 153: /sbin/sulogin: No such file or directory"
"/sbin/rc: line 151: /sbin/reboot: No such file or directory"

So it's not possible to reboot a freshly installed Gentoo box
successfully at all!

Sorry, what happened? RC4 was perfect...

Thorsten


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RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results

[Jon Ellis]

On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 07:42, Mark Knecht wrote:
> Sure, I get that much, but if 80+ % are doing it this way, what's the
> advantage? I'm sure there must be one, but I didn't think I'd be so
> convincingly in the minority! ;-)

Perhaps those who install from stage 1 aren't quite as lazy as us stage
3 people, and they are the only ones that took the time to respond to
the poll ;-)

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RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results

[Mark Knecht]

> i think, by using the system, i wouldn't notice better speed
> between stage 1
> and stage 2.
> my two servers at home have gentoo linux installed with stage 2. (i was
> relatively new to linux and new to gentoo and thought, stage 1 would be to
> hard. ;)
>
> why do 80%+ a stage 1 install? i think;
> -stage 1 install is fun (didn't try it until now, but isn't it?)
> -a stage 1 installer is rather voting at this pool (-;
> -good linux users might think: if gentoo, then stage 1 because i want see
> the whole prettiness...
>

I admit that at this point I've thought about doing a bring-up from Stage 1
the next time I build a box, but I'm having a hard time convincing myself
that I should take my personal desktop machine, built using Stage 3, offline
and rebuild it from Stage 1. Sounds like others would agree. I may set up a
group of new partitions and drop it in along side what I already have and
move over more slowly if it goes well.

When I first tried Gentoo the installation page made all stages sound
difficult to me, so I just did Stage 3. I'm just an end-user type. I don't
run machines for a living and my Unix experience doesn't go much beyond vi.
However, I was totally blown away at how precise and accurate the Stage 3
instructions were, and later when I went back and looked at Stage 1 & 2,
it's not that they look difficult, it's just there's more time involved to
do it. Fortunately the number of instructions one has to do by hand is not
that large, so I most probably will do that one of these days.

Thanks all,
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Re: [gentoo-user] grub messed up XP partition

[Vincent van de Camp]

Where can I sign up for that option 

Things are good now, I was able to get the software I needed, thereby 
avoiding the wrath of my dear ex-wife (whose computer it was that got 
the problem) :-D

Thanks all, for your help and suggestions!

Vincent

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 > This thread points out a nice feature of LILO that grub would do well
 > to copy: when LILO writes its boot code into a partition, it backs up
 > the bits that were there to a file in the /boot partition. I'm sure a
 > lot of lives have been saved by this simple feature :-).
 >
 > Nathan Meyers
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Re: [gentoo-user] Norwegian language setting in console

[Kenneth Macdonald Karlsen]

Harald Arnesen wrote:
Kenneth Macdonald Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


I did some testing and here:
CONSOLEFONT="lat0-08"   -- (or other last number, check
/usr/share/consolefont )
should give you working åæø
//Spider
Thanks for tip. It works ok, but ls -l gives me ???
Kenneth.


$ ls --show-control-chars -l
That did the trick.
Thanks.
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RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results

[Gustav_Schaffter]

I'm a 'stage 1 guy'. I didn't participate in the poll. Vacation. :-)

My guess is that many (most) people turning to Gentoo does it with the very
idea that it's great to be able to 'do it yourself' from scratch.

I wrench a lot with my cars, my motorcycles and my house. I build my
computers (very often from surplus ;-). I'm even building another
motorcycle in my living-room right now. People tend to call me a
'do-it-yourself'-er.

The idea of doing a stage 2 or stage 3 didn't even come to my mind. I don't
care that much if I've gained some performance, which I believe I've done,
but the fact that I've done as much as possible myself in these computers
makes me sleep better.

It's also got a specific brag-value, though that is valid only to a very
limited audience. ;-)

Gus






   
 
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>
>
> Stage 1 tarball installs enough to get things rolling so a
> system can be built.  Then it builds the system optimized
> for your computer.  It takes a while but works well.
>

Sure, I get that much, but if 80+ % are doing it this way, what's the
advantage? I'm sure there must be one, but I didn't think I'd be so
convincingly in the minority! ;-)

I think coming up from Stage 1 the C compiler and everything that ends up
on
your system is built on your system, correct? I would guess this might be
more stable than a Stage 3 install where a lot of early stuff is built
elsewhere, but I've had zero problems with my Stage 3 machines so I hadn't
thought there would be a big advantage of doing a Stage 1.

I think I'm missing the point. ;-)

Cheers,
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[gentoo-user] Gentoo Poll #5

[Fred Van Andel]

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How many different computers have you personally installed gentoo 
on?

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Any suggestions about new poll questions are welcome. Please keep
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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-source 2.4.20-r6

[Marijn Koesen]

I quote from the forum  (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=7)

-- quote --
"The route cache implementation in Linux 2.4, and the Netfilter IP 
conntrack module, allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service 
(CPU consumption) via packets with forged source addresses that cause a 
large number of hash table collisions." 

"The ioperm system call in Linux kernel 2.4.20 and earlier does not 
properly restrict privileges, which allows local users to gain read or 
write access to certain I/O ports." 

"A race condition in the way env_start and env_end pointers are 
initialized in the execve system call and used in fs/proc/base.c on 
Linux 2.4 allows local users to cause a denial of service (crash)." 

SOLUTION 

It is recommended that all Gentoo Linux users who are running 
sys-kernel/gentoo-sources upgrade to gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r6 as follows

-- end qoute --

Hope this helps.


On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 16:54, Chris Bare wrote:
> I just did an emerge -u --deep world. It did not list the gentoo-source
> as a package it would upgrade, but I happened to look at the messages
> streaming by and saw that it was installing 2.4.20-r6.
> 
> I was kind-of surprised that I'd get a new kernel version so stealthily.
> qpkg shows I have r5 and r6 installed:
> 
> # qpkg -I -v gentoo-source
> sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r5 *
> sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r6 *
> 
> I have 2 questions.
> How would I have even known this got installed if I hadn't happened to
> see it scroll by?
> 
> How do I find out what's in r6 to decide if I want to build/install/run
> it?


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[gentoo-user] gentoo-source 2.4.20-r6

[Chris Bare]

I just did an emerge -u --deep world. It did not list the gentoo-source
as a package it would upgrade, but I happened to look at the messages
streaming by and saw that it was installing 2.4.20-r6.

I was kind-of surprised that I'd get a new kernel version so stealthily.
qpkg shows I have r5 and r6 installed:

# qpkg -I -v gentoo-source
sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r5 *
sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r6 *

I have 2 questions.
How would I have even known this got installed if I hadn't happened to
see it scroll by?

How do I find out what's in r6 to decide if I want to build/install/run
it?

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RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results

[Mueller, Andreas]

i think, by using the system, i wouldn't notice better speed between stage 1
and stage 2.
my two servers at home have gentoo linux installed with stage 2. (i was
relatively new to linux and new to gentoo and thought, stage 1 would be to
hard. ;)

why do 80%+ a stage 1 install? i think;
-stage 1 install is fun (didn't try it until now, but isn't it?)
-a stage 1 installer is rather voting at this pool (-;
-good linux users might think: if gentoo, then stage 1 because i want see
the whole prettiness...



-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results


>
>
> Stage 1 tarball installs enough to get things rolling so a
> system can be built.  Then it builds the system optimized
> for your computer.  It takes a while but works well.
>

Sure, I get that much, but if 80+ % are doing it this way, what's the
advantage? I'm sure there must be one, but I didn't think I'd be so
convincingly in the minority! ;-)

I think coming up from Stage 1 the C compiler and everything that ends up on
your system is built on your system, correct? I would guess this might be
more stable than a Stage 3 install where a lot of early stuff is built
elsewhere, but I've had zero problems with my Stage 3 machines so I hadn't
thought there would be a big advantage of doing a Stage 1.

I think I'm missing the point. ;-)

Cheers,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results

[nmeyers]

On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 07:42:35AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
> >
> >
> > Stage 1 tarball installs enough to get things rolling so a
> > system can be built.  Then it builds the system optimized
> > for your computer.  It takes a while but works well.
> >
> 
> Sure, I get that much, but if 80+ % are doing it this way, what's the
> advantage? I'm sure there must be one, but I didn't think I'd be so
> convincingly in the minority! ;-)

The advantage is right there in the response: everything is optimized
for your host. That doesn't mean you should expect any problems if
you don't do it, and it doesn't mean you're even going to notice 99%
of those optimizations. I'm sure it's more than most people need, but
it's worth at least a few coolness points.

> I think coming up from Stage 1 the C compiler and everything that ends up on
> your system is built on your system, correct? I would guess this might be
> more stable than a Stage 3 install where a lot of early stuff is built
> elsewhere, but I've had zero problems with my Stage 3 machines so I hadn't
> thought there would be a big advantage of doing a Stage 1.
> 
> I think I'm missing the point. ;-)

If you're looking for a really compelling answer - like making your
system better or more reliable - you're not going to get it.  Like all
the other distros out there, Gentoo works just fine if you build it
from binaries targeting the least common denominator.

Nathan Meyers
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> 
> Cheers,
> Mark
> 
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RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results

[Mark Knecht]

>
>
> Stage 1 tarball installs enough to get things rolling so a
> system can be built.  Then it builds the system optimized
> for your computer.  It takes a while but works well.
>

Sure, I get that much, but if 80+ % are doing it this way, what's the
advantage? I'm sure there must be one, but I didn't think I'd be so
convincingly in the minority! ;-)

I think coming up from Stage 1 the C compiler and everything that ends up on
your system is built on your system, correct? I would guess this might be
more stable than a Stage 3 install where a lot of early stuff is built
elsewhere, but I've had zero problems with my Stage 3 machines so I hadn't
thought there would be a big advantage of doing a Stage 1.

I think I'm missing the point. ;-)

Cheers,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results

[Ciaran McCreesh]

Nicolas STURMEL wrote:
Stage 1 tarball installs enough to get things rolling so a system can be
built.  Then it builds the system optimized for your computer.  It takes
a while but works well.
But what is the différence with the Stage 3 since all is re-built during
updates ?
Personally I use stage1 as a hardware test. If a box doesn't fall over 
with all that compiling, chances are the CPU's fine and there's no dead 
memory :)

(Although I did wimp out on my 85MHz SparcStation5 -- took long enough 
just to unbzip2 the stage3...)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting as /dev/root

[Brian Downey]

>
> A wild guess, do you have root = /dev/root in your grub.conf, lilo.conf?
>
>  Steve

Good thought, but a quick check shows:

title=2.4.21
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/linux-2.4.21 root=/dev/sda3 vga=791

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results

[brett holcomb]

My understanding is that stage 3 has a lot of stuff 
(system wise) precompiled so it isn't like compiling 
everything including the system stuff.

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:31:03 +0200
 Nicolas STURMEL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
brett holcomb wrote:
Stage 1 tarball installs enough to get things rolling so 
a system can be
built.  Then it builds the system optimized for your 
computer.  It takes
a while but works well.

But what is the différence with the Stage 3 since all is 
re-built during
updates ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results

[Nicolas STURMEL]

brett holcomb wrote:
> Stage 1 tarball installs enough to get things rolling so a system can be
> built.  Then it builds the system optimized for your computer.  It takes
> a while but works well.
> 

But what is the différence with the Stage 3 since all is re-built during
updates ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results

[brett holcomb]

Stage 1 tarball installs enough to get things rolling so a 
system can be built.  Then it builds the system optimized 
for your computer.  It takes a while but works well.

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:17:46 -0700
 "Mark Knecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Votes Percent  Reason
  47   82% Install from stage 1
   1  2% Install from stage 2
   916% Install from stage 3
Wow! I'm totally surprised! Do most people really do a 
stage 1 install? I
still haven't done one yet. (Chicken)

Can someone fill me in on what would be the end-user 
advantage of doing a
stage 1 install? Is the machine fast? More stable? Why do 
all the work?

I understand that with a small group of respondents this 
might not be what
'most' people do, but I'm totally surprised.

Thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -e missing over a quarter of installedpackages

[Shawn]

Is there something causing the emerge command to fail part way through?
Some dependency that broke something?

Only thing I can think of. Have you examined the output of your emerge
command by hand?

On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 20:19, William Kenworthy wrote:
> What gives?
> 
> rattus# emerge -e --deep world -p|wc
> 135 5345612
> rattus# wc /var/cache/edb/world
> 608 608   11445 /var/cache/edb/world
> rattus#
> 
> 
> Ran regenworld, which added one package to the world file, but none to
> the emerge -e
> 
> I want to make a major change to my system, and recompile all the
> packages, but it looks like emerge can only see less than a quarter of
> them.  At one time, there was a script that did a good job of running a
> system wide rebuild, but it stopped working - is there a current one
> that does a good job?
> 
> BillK

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RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results

[Mark Knecht]

> Votes Percent  Reason
>   47   82% Install from stage 1
>1  2% Install from stage 2
>916% Install from stage 3
>

Wow! I'm totally surprised! Do most people really do a stage 1 install? I
still haven't done one yet. (Chicken)

Can someone fill me in on what would be the end-user advantage of doing a
stage 1 install? Is the machine fast? More stable? Why do all the work?

I understand that with a small group of respondents this might not be what
'most' people do, but I'm totally surprised.

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Re: [gentoo-user] grub messed up XP partition

[nmeyers]

This thread points out a nice feature of LILO that grub would do well
to copy: when LILO writes its boot code into a partition, it backs up
the bits that were there to a file in the /boot partition. I'm sure a
lot of lives have been saved by this simple feature :-).

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Re: [gentoo-user] grub messed up XP partition

[brett holcomb]

If I remember from my WinME/Win2K days starting with WinME 
(and maybe Win98 but that beta was a long time ago ) 
you could install Windows anywhere on the disk.  However, 
I seem to remember it needs part of the first drive to put 
ntloader, etc. on.  But that all was a while back! 

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:29:52 -0400
 "Vincent van de Camp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Oh, and about the windows-not-on-the-first-partition, I 
seem to remember 
that grub can trick windows into thinking it IS on the 
first part, even 
if it's not. But I haven't played with that.

Vincent

oom wrote:

 > On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 16:50, Chris I wrote:
 > > On 2003.08.17 23:50, oom wrote:
 > > > You shouldn't need to recover the bootrecord, in 
fact you should be
 > > > able
 > > > to set grub up to boot your XP partition, not 
sure how you have your
 > > > partiation table layed out (give us an fdisk -l 
/dev/hda).
 > >
 > > Unfortunately, the problem that Vincent is having 
(and I have had in
 > > the past) is that he accidently wrote grub to 
(hd0,0) instead of (hd0).
 > >
 > > To the best of my knowledge, the windows bootloader 
is on hd0,0 (the
 > > windows mbr simply boots the first primary 
partition with the boot flag
 > > set, usually hd0,0)
 >
 > Couldn't he change the active partition with fdisk ?
 >
 > > Whether he was to reinstall grup properly or not, 
this leaves an
 > > unbootable windows partition. Usually windows isnt 
kept around purely
 > > for bragging rights, so he probably wants to fix it 
;)
 >
 > Hmm, i'm not an NT/XP expert, but I had a similar 
situation with a '98
 > box where lilo blasted away the windows partition, 
fdisk /mbr fixed it
 > no problem.
 >
 > Shouldn't he be able to start with a bootdisk 
configure grub with (hd0)
 > and add XP to the list of O/S's to boot ?
 >
 > Or do you also need the boot code sitting on 
/dev/hda2 to load windoze ?
 >
 > > > (AFAIK you can't install XP on any partition 
higher than 0 anyway)
 > >
 > > you can with any of the NT-based windows versions, 
iirc, and at the
 > > very least with xp.
 >
 > Hrm, well I don't know why after installing linux on 
a friends laptop
 > and then trying to install XP to /dev/hda3 an error 
popped up saying
 > something to the effect of "Windows must be installed 
on first partition
 > of disk" fortunatly it was just a debian/knopix 
install and he just
 > wanted linux for curiousity's sake ;-) me being 
enthuiastic and thinking
 > microsoft wouldn't complain about not having their 
O/S first on the
 > disk, just slapped linux /dev/hda1 swap /dev/hda2 xp 
/dev/hda3 grr.
 >
 > after
 > xp /dev/hda1
 > linux /dev/hda2
 > swap /dev/hda3
 >
 > all worked fine..
 >
 > Or did I miss something to do in XP ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting as /dev/root

[Peter Ruskin]

On Monday 18 Aug 2003 14:19, Brian Downey wrote:
> /dev/sda3   /   ext3noatime  
>   0 0

Yes, I had root showing up twice in KDE's KwikDisk, once as /dev/hda5 
and once as /dev/root.  I fixed this by changing the /dev/hda5 entry in 
/etc/fstab to /dev/root.  I may not like this much but I prefer it to 
the double entry.

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RE: [gentoo-user] Mounting as /dev/root

[Mueller, Andreas]

hi
i have the same issue (i have IDE- drives)
on one server, it's mounted as root and on the other, it's mounted as
/dev/hda5
i installed both with the same liveCD.

because i wrote a tiny script that reads the available hdd space on both
servers (to display it on web with php), i did adjust /etc/mtab manually (it
wasn't nice to see /dev/root on the web, i prefered /dev/hda5) i don't know
if the changes remain after a reboot.

I can't explain why it's mounted as /dev/root, i'm just telling that i've
got the same issue...

greets from switzerland

-Original Message-
From: Brian Downey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 3:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [gentoo-user] Mounting as /dev/root


Hey folks,

It's not a very big issue that I'm having here, just one that'd I'd like
to be able to explain the behavior of.

One of my servers is mounting '/dev/sda3' as '/dev/root' instead.  Pretty
bizzare.  Here's the output of `df`:

Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/root  8119776   2930244   4777064  39% /
/dev/sdb1 35001508  11298308  21925208  35% /home
none452068 0452068   0% /dev/shm


And the relevant section of `/etc/fstab`:

# NOTE: If your BOOT partition is ReiserFS, add the notail option to opts.
/dev/sda1   /boot   ext3noauto,noatime  1 1
/dev/sda3   /   ext3noatime 0 0
/dev/sdb1   /home   ext3noatime 0 0
/dev/sda2   noneswapsw  0 0
/dev/cdroms/cdrom0  /mnt/cdrom  iso9660 noauto,ro,user  0 0
/dev/fd0/mnt/floppy autonoauto,user 0 0
proc/proc   procdefaults0 0

both symlinks are pointing to the correct device:

# ls -al /dev/sda3
lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   34 Aug 16 14:03 /dev/sda3 ->
scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part3

# ls -al /dev/root
lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   34 Aug 16 14:02 /dev/root ->
scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part3

Just curious why it would be showing as "/dev/root" when it should be
mounting as "/dev/sda3".  This is the only server I have that behaves like
this...

thanks!
-brian


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Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting as /dev/root

[Steve Traylen]

A wild guess, do you have root = /dev/root in your grub.conf, lilo.conf?

 Steve


On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Brian Downey wrote:

> Hey folks,
> 
> It's not a very big issue that I'm having here, just one that'd I'd like
> to be able to explain the behavior of.
> 
> One of my servers is mounting '/dev/sda3' as '/dev/root' instead.  Pretty
> bizzare.  Here's the output of `df`:
> 
> Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
> /dev/root  8119776   2930244   4777064  39% /
> /dev/sdb1 35001508  11298308  21925208  35% /home
> none452068 0452068   0% /dev/shm
> 
> 
> And the relevant section of `/etc/fstab`:
> 
> # NOTE: If your BOOT partition is ReiserFS, add the notail option to opts.
> /dev/sda1   /boot   ext3noauto,noatime  1 1
> /dev/sda3   /   ext3noatime 0 0
> /dev/sdb1   /home   ext3noatime 0 0
> /dev/sda2   noneswapsw  0 0
> /dev/cdroms/cdrom0  /mnt/cdrom  iso9660 noauto,ro,user  0 0
> /dev/fd0/mnt/floppy autonoauto,user 0 0
> proc/proc   procdefaults0 0
> 
> both symlinks are pointing to the correct device:
> 
> # ls -al /dev/sda3
> lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   34 Aug 16 14:03 /dev/sda3 ->
> scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part3
> 
> # ls -al /dev/root
> lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   34 Aug 16 14:02 /dev/root ->
> scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part3
> 
> Just curious why it would be showing as "/dev/root" when it should be
> mounting as "/dev/sda3".  This is the only server I have that behaves like
> this...
> 
> thanks!
> -brian
> 
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] grub messed up XP partition

[Vincent van de Camp]

Chris is right. The bootloader of the partition itself (hd0,0) got 
written over by grub, not the MBR of the hard disk (hd0). Since fixmbr, 
but especially fixboot don't seem to do what they're supposed to (but 
hey, we know what company wrote this software, don't we?;-) ), the only 
way I see now is to get all the stuff off (which is not a problem, any 
other OS can see it (it's FAT, fortunately)) and delete the partition 
and create a new one.

The problem actually was that there's software installed on that 
partition that I have nowhere else and the original CD is in storage 
because of moving house. Of course Murphy had to get involved and I NEED 
that program to work with. Go figure:)

Anyway, thanks for all your help:)

Oh, and about the windows-not-on-the-first-partition, I seem to remember 
that grub can trick windows into thinking it IS on the first part, even 
if it's not. But I haven't played with that.

Vincent

oom wrote:

 > On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 16:50, Chris I wrote:
 > > On 2003.08.17 23:50, oom wrote:
 > > > You shouldn't need to recover the bootrecord, in fact you should be
 > > > able
 > > > to set grub up to boot your XP partition, not sure how you have your
 > > > partiation table layed out (give us an fdisk -l /dev/hda).
 > >
 > > Unfortunately, the problem that Vincent is having (and I have had in
 > > the past) is that he accidently wrote grub to (hd0,0) instead of (hd0).
 > >
 > > To the best of my knowledge, the windows bootloader is on hd0,0 (the
 > > windows mbr simply boots the first primary partition with the boot flag
 > > set, usually hd0,0)
 >
 > Couldn't he change the active partition with fdisk ?
 >
 > > Whether he was to reinstall grup properly or not, this leaves an
 > > unbootable windows partition. Usually windows isnt kept around purely
 > > for bragging rights, so he probably wants to fix it ;)
 >
 > Hmm, i'm not an NT/XP expert, but I had a similar situation with a '98
 > box where lilo blasted away the windows partition, fdisk /mbr fixed it
 > no problem.
 >
 > Shouldn't he be able to start with a bootdisk configure grub with (hd0)
 > and add XP to the list of O/S's to boot ?
 >
 > Or do you also need the boot code sitting on /dev/hda2 to load windoze ?
 >
 > > > (AFAIK you can't install XP on any partition higher than 0 anyway)
 > >
 > > you can with any of the NT-based windows versions, iirc, and at the
 > > very least with xp.
 >
 > Hrm, well I don't know why after installing linux on a friends laptop
 > and then trying to install XP to /dev/hda3 an error popped up saying
 > something to the effect of "Windows must be installed on first partition
 > of disk" fortunatly it was just a debian/knopix install and he just
 > wanted linux for curiousity's sake ;-) me being enthuiastic and thinking
 > microsoft wouldn't complain about not having their O/S first on the
 > disk, just slapped linux /dev/hda1 swap /dev/hda2 xp /dev/hda3 grr.
 >
 > after
 > xp /dev/hda1
 > linux /dev/hda2
 > swap /dev/hda3
 >
 > all worked fine..
 >
 > Or did I miss something to do in XP ?
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[gentoo-user] Mounting as /dev/root

[Brian Downey]

Hey folks,

It's not a very big issue that I'm having here, just one that'd I'd like
to be able to explain the behavior of.

One of my servers is mounting '/dev/sda3' as '/dev/root' instead.  Pretty
bizzare.  Here's the output of `df`:

Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/root  8119776   2930244   4777064  39% /
/dev/sdb1 35001508  11298308  21925208  35% /home
none452068 0452068   0% /dev/shm


And the relevant section of `/etc/fstab`:

# NOTE: If your BOOT partition is ReiserFS, add the notail option to opts.
/dev/sda1   /boot   ext3noauto,noatime  1 1
/dev/sda3   /   ext3noatime 0 0
/dev/sdb1   /home   ext3noatime 0 0
/dev/sda2   noneswapsw  0 0
/dev/cdroms/cdrom0  /mnt/cdrom  iso9660 noauto,ro,user  0 0
/dev/fd0/mnt/floppy autonoauto,user 0 0
proc/proc   procdefaults0 0

both symlinks are pointing to the correct device:

# ls -al /dev/sda3
lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   34 Aug 16 14:03 /dev/sda3 ->
scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part3

# ls -al /dev/root
lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   34 Aug 16 14:02 /dev/root ->
scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part3

Just curious why it would be showing as "/dev/root" when it should be
mounting as "/dev/sda3".  This is the only server I have that behaves like
this...

thanks!
-brian


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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge gnucash !!

[raptor]

gnuCash 1.8.2 fails on the same place

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Re: [gentoo-user] grub messed up XP partition

[Norberto BENSA]

Chris I wrote:
>  From an XP pro install I had done at work, i seem to remember it
> asking me how i wanted [it to mangle] the partitions, and gave me the
> ability to install it to a second partition.

In a friend's box I've installed:

hda1.. Small primary active partition (64MB.) Windows needs this.
hda2.. extended partition, covers the rest of the disk
hda5.. Linux SWAP
hda6.. Linux partition
hda7.. Windows 98 partition
hda8.. Windows 2K partition
hda9.. Windows XP partition

Windows 98 is installed in D:
Windows 2000 in E:
Windows XP in F:

 - must be a primary partition

IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, LOADER, NTDETECT, etc., must recide in the first partition 
(hda1)

>   - must be nt based windows, and not 9x

Nope.

Regards,
Norberto


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Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: ezmlm warning

[Brian Downey]

> I like the hotmail setup because whatever machine I am at I can get
> instant
> mail notification when I recieve it.. Thats pretty much the entire reason
> I
> use it.
>
> But add to that the very nice spam filter ability.. and this is one of my
> most usefull and productive e-mail accounts I have..
>
> I will consider swapping to one of my spare "real" e-mail accounts.. but
> in
> reality, this account is perfect for mail list/forum reply type usage..
>

I tend to disagree.  As a large public mail server admin, I see the amount
of mail that the hotmail servers bounce.  It's usually because of two
reasons:  1) They think that the message is spam, or 2) The IP block from
which the email originated has been marked as spammer's domain.


To be honest, running a mail server with mailing lists makes life a
nightmare.  One mailing list owner I know has a little under 3000
addresses; most of them @hotmail.com and @yahoo.com.   It's become a
weekly ritual for me to contact both of them to get me "whitelisted" after
their automated spam filters blacklist me.   Although I understand the
necessity of doing what these guys do, it simply offloads work from their
end to ours.  In other words, for the love of you mail admin, use a
different email address :)





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[gentoo-user] emerge gnucash !!

[raptor]

!! Any idea why i got this when emerging gnuCash !!

make[4]: Entering directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/gnucash-1.8.4/work/gnucash-1.8.4/src/network-utils'
/bin/sh ../../libtool --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../..
-I../../src/gnc-module -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include  
-I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include 
-I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/gnome-1.0 -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H 
-I/usr/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/include/orbit-1.0  -march=pentium3 -mcpu=pentium3 
-O3 -pipe-c gnc-gpg.c
mkdir .libs
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../../src/gnc-module -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 
-I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 
-I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/gnome-1.0 
-DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/include/orbit-1.0 
-march=pentium3 -mcpu=pentium3 -O3 -pipe -c gnc-gpg.c  -fPIC -o .libs/gnc-gpg.o
In file included from /usr/include/gnome-1.0/libgnome/libgnome.h:28,
 from /usr/include/gnome-1.0/gnome.h:16,
 from gnc-gpg.c:27:
/usr/include/gnome-1.0/libgnome/gnome-i18n.h:16:25: libintl.h: No such file or 
directory
make[4]: *** [gnc-gpg.lo] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/gnucash-1.8.4/work/gnucash-1.8.4/src/network-utils'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory 
`/var/tmp/portage/gnucash-1.8.4/work/gnucash-1.8.4/src/network-utils'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/gnucash-1.8.4/work/gnucash-1.8.4/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/gnucash-1.8.4/work/gnucash-1.8.4'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
   
 
!!! ERROR: app-office/gnucash-1.8.4 failed.
!!! Function src_compile, Line 72, Exitcode 2
!!! make failed

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Re: [gentoo-user] Norwegian language setting in console

[Harald Arnesen]

Kenneth Macdonald Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> I did some testing and here:
>> CONSOLEFONT="lat0-08"   -- (or other last number, check
>> /usr/share/consolefont )
>> should give you working åæø
>> //Spider
>
> Thanks for tip. It works ok, but ls -l gives me ???
> Kenneth.

$ ls --show-control-chars -l
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Re: [gentoo-user] most secure partition layout

[Timo Boettcher]

Hi Christian,

Nachricht vom Sonntag, 17. August 2003, 09:48:01:

> hi gentoo-user,

> I wonder what would be the best partition layout for a really secure
> and performant system (running as router/server).

> current layout:
> /boot  not mounted
> /  readonly
> /usr/local readonly
> /var   r/w
> /tmp   r/w
> /usr/portage   r/w

> this is seperated on two ide drives.
> but in a few days I will move the whole system to some scsi drives.
> 2 x 4,3GB
> 2 x 9,1GB
> 1 x 4,3GB destined to be an image of the base system for
>   backup reasons

> what would you recommend and most important information: why?
You may want to have a look at the gentoo-security guide
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-security.xml
especially the partitioning section
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-security.xml#doc_chap3_sect5


 
> thx+regards
> /Christian   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -u system

[Håvard Wall]

emerge unmerge perl
emerge unmerge dev-perl/ExtUtils-MakeMaker
emerge perl
emerge -uv system

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Ben Anderson wrote:

> This is my problem:
> 
> >emerge -u system
> Calculating system dependencies ...done!
>
> !!! Error: the  this package and both can't be installed on the same system together.
> -
>
> It looked like this was in the perl package, so I unmerged perl, but still
> nothing.  It also won't let me emerge a few other things, like windowmaker.
> Any ideas?
> TIA,
> Ben Anderson
>
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[gentoo-user] emerge -u system

[Ben Anderson]

This is my problem:

emerge -u system
Calculating system dependencies ...done!

!!! Error: the 
-

It looked like this was in the perl package, so I unmerged perl, but still 
nothing.  It also won't let me emerge a few other things, like windowmaker.  
Any ideas?
TIA,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results

[Chris I]

On 2003.08.18 04:03, Owen Gunden wrote:
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 09:40:40PM -0700, Fred Van Andel wrote:
> Gentoo poll #4 will be posted after the weekend.
Does that mean the subject is incorrect, and these are in fact the
results
for gentoo poll #3?
I believe the subject was correct, but the forcast was wrong.

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Re: [gentoo-user] grub messed up XP partition

[Chris I]

On 2003.08.18 01:28, oom wrote:
> To the best of my knowledge, the windows bootloader is on hd0,0
> (the windows mbr simply boots the first primary partition with the
> boot flag set, usually hd0,0)
Couldn't he change the active partition with fdisk ?
It wouldnt fix the problem. The windows bootloader is installed to the 
windows partition. The windows MBR essentially does the same as the 
'chainloader' grub option, and passes control onto another bootloader, 
located on the first active partition.

Unfortunately the bootloader on the windows partition was overwritten 
with grub.

Sorry if i was unclear before, i should have probably made more of a 
note between what i described as the "windows bootloader" and the 
"windows mbr", as in the *nix world they are often the same thing.

> Whether he was to reinstall grup properly or not, this leaves an
> unbootable windows partition. Usually windows isnt kept around
> purely for bragging rights, so he probably wants to fix it ;)
Hmm, i'm not an NT/XP expert, but I had a similar situation with a '98
box where lilo blasted away the windows partition, fdisk /mbr fixed it
no problem.
that would work on a dos boot disc, but I'm not sure what the windows 
recovery console's fdisk abilities are, if it even has fdisk.

I'd look it up on a recovery cd myself if (a) i wasnt so lazy, and (b) 
my laptop came with something other than a restore cd.

Shouldn't he be able to start with a bootdisk configure grub with
(hd0)
and add XP to the list of O/S's to boot ?
Or do you also need the boot code sitting on /dev/hda2 to load windoze
?
exactly. technically it isnt a grub problem, although grub was the 
initial cause.

> > (AFAIK you can't install XP on any partition higher than 0 anyway)
>
> you can with any of the NT-based windows versions, iirc, and at the
> very least with xp.
Hrm, well I don't know why after installing linux on a friends laptop
and then trying to install XP to /dev/hda3 an error popped up saying
something to the effect of "Windows must be installed on first
partition of disk" fortunatly it was just a debian/knopix install and 
he just wanted linux for curiousity's sake ;-) me being enthuiastic 
and thinking microsoft wouldn't complain about not having their O/S 
first on the disk, just slapped linux /dev/hda1 swap /dev/hda2 xp /
dev/hda3 grr.
From an XP pro install I had done at work, i seem to remember it 
asking me how i wanted [it to mangle] the partitions, and gave me the 
ability to install it to a second partition.

Also, theres people out there that boot multiple versions of windows 
from the same disk (as if one isnt too many), so I would assume that 
windows is capable of being partitions other than the first, although i 
will still make the conclusion that:
 - must be a primary partition
 - must be nt based windows, and not 9x

Cheers,

--

Chris I

If you want to read about love and marriage you've got to buy two 
separate
books.
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On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 09:40:40PM -0700, Fred Van Andel wrote:
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Does that mean the subject is incorrect, and these are in fact the results
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