Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's preference, Gnome or KDE ?
031018 Hall Stevenson wrote: It's almost a fact that most distros lean towards either Gnome or KDE. I tried KDE a year ago with Debian and was pretty impressed. Then again, this may have been because of Debian's very slow updates to Gnome 2.2. I guess I just wanted something different. I'm now using KDE 3.1.4 and am disappointed... My preferred desktop still seems to be Enlightenment, in fact. :-) So, I'm considering getting rid of KDE and going back to Gnome. What do people think ?? I know it's *my* choice, of course. there are other choices, after all (frown)! those who know it -- incl me -- swear by XFCE, now out as 4.0 . i had no problem emerging it it's running perfectly as i write this. check it out at www.xfce.org/ . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's preference, Gnome or KDE ?
gnome2.4 has a HUGE HUGE performance boost, and with gentoo its even more! go for gnome2.4 or xfce4! ;) On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 23:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 031018 Hall Stevenson wrote: It's almost a fact that most distros lean towards either Gnome or KDE. I tried KDE a year ago with Debian and was pretty impressed. Then again, this may have been because of Debian's very slow updates to Gnome 2.2. I guess I just wanted something different. I'm now using KDE 3.1.4 and am disappointed... My preferred desktop still seems to be Enlightenment, in fact. :-) So, I'm considering getting rid of KDE and going back to Gnome. What do people think ?? I know it's *my* choice, of course. there are other choices, after all (frown)! those who know it -- incl me -- swear by XFCE, now out as 4.0 . i had no problem emerging it it's running perfectly as i write this. check it out at www.xfce.org/ . -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's preference, Gnome or KDE ?
- Original Message - From: Hall Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:37 PM Subject: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's preference, Gnome or KDE ? | | It's almost a fact that most distros lean towards either Gnome or KDE. I tried In that case, this distro would be an exception :-) It is purported that Gentoo is ultimately about providing maximum choice to the user and you'll find that amongst the users there is a split between the two large desktop environments along with fluxbox which also has quite a large share. (I use none of these.) | KDE a year ago with Debian and was pretty impressed. Then again, this may | have been because of Debian's very slow updates to Gnome 2.2. I guess I just | wanted something different. | | I'm now using KDE 3.1.4 and am disappointed... My preferred desktop still | seems to be Enlightenment, in fact. :-) So, I'm considering getting rid of | KDE and going back to Gnome. | | What do people think ?? I know it's *my* choice, of course. If I decide to | switch, how do I do so and get the LATEST gnome stuff available ?? I'm not To get latest gnome stuff do: (1) edit /etc/make.conf to set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 (2) emerge sync (3) emerge gnome Gnome 2.4 is marked stable atm which means you'll get it regardless of which tree you are on. My view? Stay with enlightenment ;-) | afraid of running unstable, which I believe is the -x86 flagged stuff. The most cutting edge branch of applications is referred to as the 'testing tree' and not 'unstable tree' simply because that is what it is intended to convey to the user. The correct variable value is actually ~x86 and not -x86. | | Also, how would I purge all KDE stuff ?? I do like Konqueror and KMail. Are | static-linked packages available for those ?? There is no official method of removing a package and all its unused dependencies as yet. This is still being worked upon and has been pushed back a little bit. So, you'll have to do it manually. `emerge -C kde` will remove the package itself and then there are all sorts of tricks to get rid of dependencies some of which are mentioned below. -- remove all kde references from /var/cache/edb/world and do `emerge --depclean -p` and remove those (OR) -- `emerge gentoolkit dep-clean -UNR` (OR) -- `emerge -Dep world | grep kde` (and then remove those) I'd also recommend familiarising yourself with the various wonders of etcat and qpkg from gentoolkit. HTH. | | Regards | Hall | | | -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list | | -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's preference, Gnome or KDE ?
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 11:37:32AM +, Hall Stevenson wrote: It's almost a fact that most distros lean towards either Gnome or KDE. I tried KDE a year ago with Debian and was pretty impressed. Then again, this may have been because of Debian's very slow updates to Gnome 2.2. I guess I just wanted something different. Been there, done that on both counts. I've often tried a different desktop environment, been impressed with the new eye candy or features for a bit, and then gone back to my favorite because the new one has things that I either just don't like or is missing features. Been about a year since I first discovered gentoo as well, but I remember that with debian you had to add lots of different apt-sources lines to get the latest and greatest of things. What do people think ?? I know it's *my* choice, of course. If I decide to switch, how do I do so and get the LATEST gnome stuff available ?? I'm not afraid of running unstable, which I believe is the -x86 flagged stuff. Gnome 2.4 is in portage, and was put there probably less than a week after it was released. The impression I get from the gentoo people is that both gnome and kde camps have equally dedicated people working in them to get the latest packages stable and out the door. They don't lag nearly as much as debian but don't seem (that I've seen anyway) to have big ugly bugs resulting from putting stuff out the door too quickly. Personally what I do is if something isn't released soon enough I either put on ~86 for that package or do an emerge of the .ebuild file that I'm wanting. Portage makes it easy to revert and move back and forth between versions without too many ugly remnants of old packages. Also, how would I purge all KDE stuff ?? I do like Konqueror and KMail. Are static-linked packages available for those ?? Check the list archives and forums, I know there are cute one liners for doing this but I don't remember them now. emerge -epv kde will show you *all* of KDEs dependancies though. As for static linked packages, do an emerge -pv for the packages and there may be a static USE flag you can use. If not you'll have to leave qt and the kdelibs packages installed (unless someone else has bright ideas). -- Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://arcterex.net There are only 3 real sports: bull-fighting, car racing and mountain climbing. All the others are mere games.-- Hemingway -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's preference, Gnome or KDE ?
Hall Stevenson wrote: It's almost a fact that most distros lean towards either Gnome or KDE. I tried KDE a year ago with Debian and was pretty impressed. Then again, this may have been because of Debian's very slow updates to Gnome 2.2. I guess I just wanted something different. I have never really been a KDE fan, although I have been using it on my gentoo workstation as I had problems getting Gnome to work properly. I have to say its far to 'busy' for my tastes, would love to purge all the bundled 'everything and the kitchen sink' stuff I am just never going to use. I have just got Gnome working and it feels much faster so maybe I will just let KDE rot and use that. That said, I do feel like trying some of the *box *step WM's. So maybe I will just install everything :P Rick Kitty5 NewMedia http://Kitty5.com POV-Ray News Resources http://Povray.co.uk TEL : +44 (01270) 501101 - ICQ : 15776037 PGP Public Key http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x231E1CEA -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's preference, Gnome or KDE ?
No, Gentoo really show's no preference in this arena which is very nice if you asked me. I much prefer it this way. I use KDE on my machines since it screams on gentoo. I have no speed issues whatsoever with kde. Sure, fluxbox, icewm are going to blow the pants off of KDE or Gnome but it all depends on what you like. If simple is your thing then KDE might not be for you. This is the beauty of Linux and OSS, in that you have freedom. On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 12:32, Rick [Kitty5] wrote: Hall Stevenson wrote: It's almost a fact that most distros lean towards either Gnome or KDE. I tried KDE a year ago with Debian and was pretty impressed. Then again, this may have been because of Debian's very slow updates to Gnome 2.2. I guess I just wanted something different. I have never really been a KDE fan, although I have been using it on my gentoo workstation as I had problems getting Gnome to work properly. I have to say its far to 'busy' for my tastes, would love to purge all the bundled 'everything and the kitchen sink' stuff I am just never going to use. I have just got Gnome working and it feels much faster so maybe I will just let KDE rot and use that. That said, I do feel like trying some of the *box *step WM's. So maybe I will just install everything :P Rick Kitty5 NewMedia http://Kitty5.com POV-Ray News Resources http://Povray.co.uk TEL : +44 (01270) 501101 - ICQ : 15776037 PGP Public Key http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x231E1CEA -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's preference, Gnome or KDE ?
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:37:32 + Hall Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | It's almost a fact that most distros lean towards either Gnome or KDE. Gentoo leans towards fluxbox and/or xfce :) | I'm not afraid of running unstable, which I believe is the -x86 | flagged stuff. ~x86, not -x86. The '-' means does not work on this arch and is generally reserved for things like silo (the Sparc bootloader which you definitely shouldn't run on an x86 box)... -- Ciaran McCreesh Mail: ciaranm at firedrop.org.uk Web:www.firedrop.org.uk System: Gentoo Base System version 1.4.3.10p1 Linux 2.4.20-gentoo-r7 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's preference, Gnome or KDE ?
That said, I do feel like trying some of the *box *step WM's. So maybe I will just install everything :P Rick Rick, I have sort of different needs since I'm doing audio recording under Linux and wanted a really minimal running-process count. fluxbox has worked well for me. I do, at time, miss being able to drop a shortcut on my desktop like Windows and KDE. I haven't used Gnome in a couple of years now so I cannot comment on that. As long as you don't mind a mouse-based menu way of working (I know some do...) then fluxbox is a really clean way to go. Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's preference, Gnome or KDE ?
If you want to be able to put shortcut-like links on your fluxbox desktop, take a look at idesk (under x11-misc/idesk in portage). Mark Knecht ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: That said, I do feel like trying some of the *box *step WM's. So maybe I will just install everything :P Rick Rick, I have sort of different needs since I'm doing audio recording under Linux and wanted a really minimal running-process count. fluxbox has worked well for me. I do, at time, miss being able to drop a shortcut on my desktop like Windows and KDE. I haven't used Gnome in a couple of years now so I cannot comment on that. As long as you don't mind a mouse-based menu way of working (I know some do...) then fluxbox is a really clean way to go. Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's preference, Gnome or KDE ?
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 05:32:55PM +0100, Rick [Kitty5] wrote: I have never really been a KDE fan, although I have been using it on my gentoo workstation as I had problems getting Gnome to work properly. I have to say its far to 'busy' for my tastes, would love to purge all the bundled 'everything and the kitchen sink' stuff I am just never going to use. You might want to give xfce a try. The latest xfce is version 4, and, although I don't personally use it, I thought it was pretty slick. It's a desktop environment like GNOME and KDE, but certainly more lightweight (not as many bells and whistles). It's somewhere between a standalone window manager and a heavyweight desktop environment. :) MG -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's preference, Gnome or KDE ?
www.xfce.org is a good place to check it out actually.. On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 05:32:55PM +0100, Rick [Kitty5] wrote: I have never really been a KDE fan, although I have been using it on my gentoo workstation as I had problems getting Gnome to work properly. I have to say its far to 'busy' for my tastes, would love to purge all the bundled 'everything and the kitchen sink' stuff I am just never going to use. You might want to give xfce a try. The latest xfce is version 4, and, although I don't personally use it, I thought it was pretty slick. It's a desktop environment like GNOME and KDE, but certainly more lightweight (not as many bells and whistles). It's somewhere between a standalone window manager and a heavyweight desktop environment. :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's preference, Gnome or KDE ?
If you want to be able to put shortcut-like links on your fluxbox desktop, take a look at idesk (under x11-misc/idesk in portage). Thanks for the pointer. I'll check it out this weekend. In terms of the desktop, the only two things I miss once in awhile is having a shortcut to an application, which you may have solved for me, and sometimes doing a temporary drag and drop of a file from an email to the desktop and working with it in an application before I put it away. I record and work with other people in other small studios. They send me mp3s. I'll want to drop them on the desktop and listen multiple times over a period of a few days. (Songs sound different at different times of the day or night, and whether you're listening through studio monitors or headphones. Having these files on my desktop keeps me focused on them, as opposed to forgetting them when they get buried in a stack of emails. However, FAR more important with recording is having no processes running that get in the way. fluxbox is just great in this area. I love it. Cheers, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's preference, Gnome or KDE ?
Kurt Bechstein wrote: I use KDE on my machines since it screams on gentoo. I have no speed issues whatsoever with kde. I dont have any speed issues, its just something I noticed when I switched to Gnome earlier today, It felt quicker genrally more responsive. Rick Kitty5 NewMedia http://Kitty5.com POV-Ray News Resources http://Povray.co.uk TEL : +44 (01270) 501101 - ICQ : 15776037 PGP Public Key http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x231E1CEA -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's preference, Gnome or KDE ?
gnome 2.4 seems to be having issues on the two systems I have converted over so far: evolution is proving unreliable (multiple lockups), attachment attaching is not working right (both systems) stable, nice galeon 2.11 will not compile with gtk2 because epihany, which is a dependency now requires - reccomend you remove epihany and go with gtk1, see below. Went to galeon 1.3.9 (its in portage) but it seems to be missing a few features as the menus have been reorganised. mozilla/galeon/epihany will no longer work with any of the internet banking sites I use in Oz - have had to fall back to netscape 4.7 and IE Unfortunately I have been too busy to follow up as I need a working system at the moment, and wish I had waited a bit longer to upgrade. BillK On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 19:37, Hall Stevenson wrote: It's almost a fact that most distros lean towards either Gnome or KDE. I tried KDE a year ago with Debian and was pretty impressed. Then again, this may have been because of Debian's very slow updates to Gnome 2.2. I guess I just wanted something different. I'm now using KDE 3.1.4 and am disappointed... My preferred desktop still seems to be Enlightenment, in fact. :-) So, I'm considering getting rid of KDE and going back to Gnome. What do people think ?? I know it's *my* choice, of course. If I decide to switch, how do I do so and get the LATEST gnome stuff available ?? I'm not afraid of running unstable, which I believe is the -x86 flagged stuff. Also, how would I purge all KDE stuff ?? I do like Konqueror and KMail. Are static-linked packages available for those ?? Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's preference, Gnome or KDE ?
Oh yes... that includes gnome apps like evolution... haven't emerged epiphany, I'm comfortable with mozilla... Chris Graves wrote: gnome2.4 has been rock solid for me a several weeks now (got it as soon as an ebuild showed up). Have you tried backing off on your CFLAGS (and recompiling)? usually fixes my problems with unstable programs. -chris William Kenworthy wrote: gnome 2.4 seems to be having issues on the two systems I have converted over so far: evolution is proving unreliable (multiple lockups), attachment attaching is not working right (both systems) stable, nice galeon 2.11 will not compile with gtk2 because epihany, which is a dependency now requires - reccomend you remove epihany and go with gtk1, see below. Went to galeon 1.3.9 (its in portage) but it seems to be missing a few features as the menus have been reorganised. mozilla/galeon/epihany will no longer work with any of the internet banking sites I use in Oz - have had to fall back to netscape 4.7 and IE Unfortunately I have been too busy to follow up as I need a working system at the moment, and wish I had waited a bit longer to upgrade. BillK On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 19:37, Hall Stevenson wrote: It's almost a fact that most distros lean towards either Gnome or KDE. I tried KDE a year ago with Debian and was pretty impressed. Then again, this may have been because of Debian's very slow updates to Gnome 2.2. I guess I just wanted something different. I'm now using KDE 3.1.4 and am disappointed... My preferred desktop still seems to be Enlightenment, in fact. :-) So, I'm considering getting rid of KDE and going back to Gnome. What do people think ?? I know it's *my* choice, of course. If I decide to switch, how do I do so and get the LATEST gnome stuff available ?? I'm not afraid of running unstable, which I believe is the -x86 flagged stuff. Also, how would I purge all KDE stuff ?? I do like Konqueror and KMail. Are static-linked packages available for those ?? Regards Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
