Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Collins Richey wrote: > FYI, > > I've read quite a few negative comments about the latest nvidia drivers, > but I must say I have had the opposite experience. Well the latest drivers actually make games like NWN run faster than ever. A great improvement from the old drivers indeed. I have a nforce2 a7n8x, with a ti4200 and they perform great. I strongly suggest that people with crashes should disable acpi support, using the acpi=off on kernel boot. I am having both AGP 8x and fast writes enabled on my box and there is no stability problem whatsoever. Bye, Grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
Collins Richey wrote: FYI, I've read quite a few negative comments about the latest nvidia drivers, but I must say I have had the opposite experience. On my labrat box, I'm running a newly installed latest gentoop 2004 2.6.2 system with ~x86 everything and glibc with nptl activated, so the 5336 level nvidia drivers were selected. I noted: 1. On my nforce2 video card, I notice a 300fps speed improvement (glxgears) over prior 4496 level drivers. 2. I have a VIA chipset. The new nvidia driver is smart enough to disable AGP support even if requested instead of hanging the system as did the 4496 level driver. 3. I have no problem switching to-from an alternate console while X is active. No black screens as others have reported. Enjoy, Well, overall they run fine on my machine, too, and glxgears is really fast. There were two problems though... I'm using 2.6.1 since a couple of days as default kernel after I managed to solve the remaining upgrade-related issues (2.4.x to 2.6.x was definitely the most work-intensive transition I have experienced), and I installed the nvidia 5336 drivers. The first problem was that KDE would refuse to start, complaining about a missing symbol _nv22 in /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 (which pointed to the new version of that NVIDIA library). GNOME would work fine. I could resolve this by removing the /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 link (which pointed to a MESA library). Unfortunately, that link later popped up again, and I still don't quite know what's creating it. The second problem I had yesterday - when starting America's Army (from KDE), I switched to console. After switching back to the virtual console on which X runs, the screen would be filled with garbage text, and I couldn't perform any inputs! I heard the music from AA playing, so the system wasn't totally hanging, but I could do nothing to get out of this "trap", and had to reset the machine. Usually, switching between console and X does work, when AA is running, though, so it was likely some spurious problem. It's just that I didn't have a hanging system (or sudden reboot or other major failure for all that matters) in the 4 months I have this PC, using kernels 2.4.21 and 2.4.24. So I would recommend saving all your work (and closing the mail application, especially if it is configured to fetch e-mails every x minutes) before starting a 3D game. The nvidia driver 5336 or kernel 2.6 *may* freeze the PC. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Arne Vogel wrote: > So I would recommend saving all your work (and closing the mail > application, especially if it is configured > to fetch e-mails every x minutes) before starting a 3D game. The nvidia > driver 5336 or kernel 2.6 *may* freeze the PC. BTW do you have ACPI enabled and what is your chipset, some motherboards with the nforce2 chipset are suceptible to these bugs. Maybe its a problem with the video card switching modes and AGP writing, maybe its even a kernel 2.6 bug. Anyway lets put this minor matters aside, as nvidia users we are having the best hardware accelerated drivers in the linux world. We really should be greatfull for nvidia for supporting linux. Bye, Grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
Hi, On Friday 06 February 2004 15:58, Arne Vogel wrote: > The first problem was that KDE would refuse to start, complaining about > a missing symbol > _nv22 in /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 (which pointed to the new version > of that NVIDIA library). > GNOME would work fine. I could resolve this by removing the > /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 link > (which pointed to a MESA library). Unfortunately, that link later popped > up again, and I still don't > quite know what's creating it. Have you did an opengl-update nvidia? > The second problem I had yesterday - when starting America's Army (from > KDE), I switched to > console. After switching back to the virtual console on which X runs, > the screen would be filled > with garbage text, and I couldn't perform any inputs! I heard the music > from AA playing, so the system > wasn't totally hanging, but I could do nothing to get out of this > "trap", and had to reset the machine. Usually, > switching between console and X does work, when AA is running, though, Have you tried sys-rq-keys? I have a SiS746FX based board and with my gf fx 5200 I have to start X two times. Start X, kill X, start X again. Sometimes, this f* up the console, but after that X is working fine. Glück Auf Volker -- Conclusions In a straight-up fight, the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug. Even with its numerical advantage removed, the Empire would still squash the Federation like a bug. Accept it. -Michael Wong -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Friday 06 February 2004 09:56 am, Grendel wrote: > On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Collins Richey wrote: > > FYI, > > > > I've read quite a few negative comments about the latest nvidia > > drivers, but I must say I have had the opposite experience. > > Well the latest drivers actually make games like NWN run faster > than ever. A great improvement from the old drivers indeed. > > I have a nforce2 a7n8x, with a ti4200 and they perform great. > > I strongly suggest that people with crashes should disable acpi > support, using the acpi=off on kernel boot. > > I am having both AGP 8x and fast writes enabled on my box and there > is no stability problem whatsoever. > > Bye, > Grendel Grendel, I have the same board and graphics card but I can't get the 5336 nvidia drivers to load upI have nvidia-agp and agpgart loaded but "modprobe nvidia" returns: FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.1-gentoo/video/nvidia.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) dmesg shows: nvidia: no version magic, tainting kernel. nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. nvidia: Unknown symbol class_simple_device_add nvidia: Unknown symbol class_simple_destroy nvidia: Unknown symbol class_simple_device_remove nvidia: Unknown symbol class_simple_create I do have: /lib/modules/2.6.1-gentoo/video/nvidia.ko I've done modules-update and opengl-update nvidia but X won't start unless I change the driver to "nv" from "nvidia" in the X conf. I'm obviously missing something but it's not jumping out at me -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:37:01 -0500 Ernie Schroder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have the same board and graphics card but I can't get the 5336 > > nvidia drivers to load upI have nvidia-agp and agpgart loaded but > "modprobe nvidia" returns: > > I do have: /lib/modules/2.6.1-gentoo/video/nvidia.ko > > I've done modules-update and opengl-update nvidia but X won't start > unless I change the driver to "nv" from "nvidia" in the X conf. I'm > obviously missing something but it's not jumping out at me > As far as I have been able to figure out, if you use 2.6.1 then you have to use the 1.0.5336 and not the 1.0.5336-r1 version of nvidia-kernel. Try downgrading and it should work. -- Ian Truelsen Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: ihtruelsen MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: iantruelsen Homepage: http://www.ihtruelsen.dyndns.org Signature key (742B740D) available at pgp.mit.edu pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Friday 06 February 2004 05:03 pm, Ian Truelsen wrote: > On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:37:01 -0500 > > Ernie Schroder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have the same board and graphics card but I can't get the 5336 > > > > nvidia drivers to load upI have nvidia-agp and agpgart loaded but > > "modprobe nvidia" returns: > > > > I do have: /lib/modules/2.6.1-gentoo/video/nvidia.ko > > > > I've done modules-update and opengl-update nvidia but X won't > > start unless I change the driver to "nv" from "nvidia" in the X > > conf. I'm obviously missing something but it's not jumping out at > > me > > As far as I have been able to figure out, if you use 2.6.1 then you > have to use the 1.0.5336 and not the 1.0.5336-r1 version of > nvidia-kernel. Try downgrading and it should work. Thanks Ian. That did it! Now to get sensors working -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: Hi, On Friday 06 February 2004 15:58, Arne Vogel wrote: The first problem was that KDE would refuse to start, complaining about a missing symbol _nv22 in /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 (which pointed to the new version of that NVIDIA library). GNOME would work fine. I could resolve this by removing the /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 link (which pointed to a MESA library). Unfortunately, that link later popped up again, and I still don't quite know what's creating it. Have you did an opengl-update nvidia? No... I'll try that, thanks! (Danke sehr :-) The second problem I had yesterday - when starting America's Army (from KDE), I switched to console. After switching back to the virtual console on which X runs, the screen would be filled with garbage text, and I couldn't perform any inputs! I heard the music from AA playing, so the system wasn't totally hanging, but I could do nothing to get out of this "trap", and had to reset the machine. Usually, switching between console and X does work, when AA is running, though, Have you tried sys-rq-keys? I have a SiS746FX based board and with my gf fx 5200 I have to start X two times. Start X, kill X, start X again. Sometimes, this f* up the console, but after that X is working fine. Glück Auf Volker The SysReq option was disabled. To recover from a bad X failure I would need to press Alt+SysReq+K? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Friday 06 February 2004 23:30, Arne Vogel wrote: > Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: > >Hi, > > > >On Friday 06 February 2004 15:58, Arne Vogel wrote: > >>The first problem was that KDE would refuse to start, complaining about > >>a missing symbol > >>_nv22 in /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 (which pointed to the new version > >>of that NVIDIA library). > >>GNOME would work fine. I could resolve this by removing the > >>/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 link > >>(which pointed to a MESA library). Unfortunately, that link later popped > >>up again, and I still don't > >>quite know what's creating it. > > > >Have you did an opengl-update nvidia? > > No... I'll try that, thanks! (Danke sehr :-) than that is your problem. gentoo heals the 'damage' you are doing ;o) (Bitte schön ;o) ) > The SysReq option was disabled. To recover from a bad X failure I would > need to press > Alt+SysReq+K? if you are lucky, yes. But if that does not help try +e +i to kill. This will render your box in a lot of times pretty useless and additionally sysrq+s +u and +b is needed. As long you are the only user of your system, sysrq is a smart choice. Glück Auf Volker -- Conclusions In a straight-up fight, the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug. Even with its numerical advantage removed, the Empire would still squash the Federation like a bug. Accept it. -Michael Wong -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:26:04 -0500 Ernie Schroder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As far as I have been able to figure out, if you use 2.6.1 then you > > have to use the 1.0.5336 and not the 1.0.5336-r1 version of > > nvidia-kernel. Try downgrading and it should work. > > > Thanks Ian. That did it! Now to get sensors working Glad to hear it. As far as sensors is concerned, from what I have been able to find out, it will not work with the 2.6 kernel at the moment. I think that this is because the sensor modules in the 2.6 kernel have switched over to sysfs, but the sensor program has not made the switch yet. It has been a little while since I read the info, so please let me know if it is out of date. I think that, for the moment, we will just have to bide our time. -- Ian Truelsen Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: ihtruelsen MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo!: iantruelsen Homepage: http://www.ihtruelsen.dyndns.org Signature key (742B740D) available at pgp.mit.edu pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
Ian Truelsen wrote: Glad to hear it. As far as sensors is concerned, from what I have been able to find out, it will not work with the 2.6 kernel at the moment. I think that this is because the sensor modules in the 2.6 kernel have switched over to sysfs, but the sensor program has not made the switch yet. It has been a little while since I read the info, so please let me know if it is out of date. I think that, for the moment, we will just have to bide our time. sensors work great here with 2.6.2_rc1-gentoo. bye, christoph -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Friday 06 February 2004 09:56 am, Grendel wrote: > On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Collins Richey wrote: > > FYI, > > > > I've read quite a few negative comments about the latest nvidia > > drivers, but I must say I have had the opposite experience. > > Well the latest drivers actually make games like NWN run faster > than ever. A great improvement from the old drivers indeed. > > I have a nforce2 a7n8x, with a ti4200 and they perform great. > > I strongly suggest that people with crashes should disable acpi > support, using the acpi=off on kernel boot. > > I am having both AGP 8x and fast writes enabled on my box and there > is no stability problem whatsoever. > > Bye, > Grendel I also have the a7nx8 and a ti4200 I am seeing about a 10% decrease in framerate with glxgears, and am having lockups. The lockups occur more frequently with a GL screensaver running, but do occasionally happen with a rapid mouse movement. (suggestions are welcomed) As I don't have the 2.6.1 kernel doing everything I want, I would like to be able to boot back into 2.4.20, but can't unless I downgrade the nvidia drivers. Is there a way around this? -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
Hi, On Saturday 07 February 2004 18:16, Ernie Schroder wrote: > I also have the a7nx8 and a ti4200 I am seeing about a 10% decrease > in framerate with glxgears, and am having lockups. The lockups occur > more frequently with a GL screensaver running, but do occasionally > happen with a rapid mouse movement. (suggestions are welcomed) > As I don't have the 2.6.1 kernel doing everything I want, I would > like to be able to boot back into 2.4.20, but can't unless I > downgrade the nvidia drivers. Is there a way around this? preemption? io-apic? local-apic? This three guys are the cause of a lot of nvidia problems. I have 2.6.2-rc3 running, without preemption and do not have any lockups. But, I have not a nvidia board.. btw, have you looked into the nvidia-linux-forum? Glück Auf Volker -- Conclusions In a straight-up fight, the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug. Even with its numerical advantage removed, the Empire would still squash the Federation like a bug. Accept it. -Michael Wong -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Saturday 07 February 2004 01:15 pm, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: > Hi, > > On Saturday 07 February 2004 18:16, Ernie Schroder wrote: > > I also have the a7nx8 and a ti4200 I am seeing about a 10% > > decrease in framerate with glxgears, and am having lockups. The > > lockups occur more frequently with a GL screensaver running, but > > do occasionally happen with a rapid mouse movement. (suggestions > > are welcomed) As I don't have the 2.6.1 kernel doing everything I > > want, I would like to be able to boot back into 2.4.20, but can't > > unless I downgrade the nvidia drivers. Is there a way around > > this? > > preemption? > io-apic? > local-apic? > > This three guys are the cause of a lot of nvidia problems. > I have 2.6.2-rc3 running, without preemption and do not have any > lockups. But, I have not a nvidia board.. btw, have you looked into > the nvidia-linux-forum? > > Glück Auf > Volker Thanks for the hints CONFIG_PREEMPT=y and... CONFIG_X86_GOOD_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_UP_APIC=y # CONFIG_X86_UP_IOAPIC is not set CONFIG_X86_LOCAL_APIC=y I'll try rebuilding the kernelmaybe tomorrow. -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Ernie Schroder wrote: > I also have the a7nx8 and a ti4200 I am seeing about a 10% decrease > in framerate with glxgears, and am having lockups. The lockups occur > more frequently with a GL screensaver running, but do occasionally > happen with a rapid mouse movement. (suggestions are welcomed) Several suggestions, please use the vanilla 5336 drivr from nvidia.com, not a patched release. The 5336 driver support 2.6 out of the box so no patching is necessary. Just try this, please disable ACPI. When ACPI is enabled I have a astonishing frame drop of 10% or greater, so please edit your lilo.conf and pass the acpi=off option to the kernel. I have the identical setup as you, and I am having no problems at all. My setup is 1. Vanilla kernel 2.6.2 compiled with athlon optimisations, preemption enabled, acpi turned off at boot. I am using NVIDIA's agp driver. cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status Status: Enabled Driver: NVIDIA AGP Rate:8x Fast Writes: Enabled SBA: Enabled > As I don't have the 2.6.1 kernel doing everything I want, I would > like to be able to boot back into 2.4.20, but can't unless I > downgrade the nvidia drivers. Is there a way around this? Hmm.the NVIDIA.5336.run package from nvidia.com supports 2.4 series without any problem. ALso I have noted that surprisingly the 2.4 series kernels give better frame rates for Neverwinter nights and other 3d games. However you can try disabling acpi, thats the cause of most problems in the nforce2 motherboards. Grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
Ernie Schroder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I also have the a7nx8 and a ti4200 I am seeing about a 10% decrease > in framerate with glxgears, and am having lockups. The lockups occur > more frequently with a GL screensaver running, but do occasionally > happen with a rapid mouse movement. (suggestions are welcomed) > As I don't have the 2.6.1 kernel doing everything I want, I would > like to be able to boot back into 2.4.20, but can't unless I > downgrade the nvidia drivers. Is there a way around this? I also have a ti4200. I'm also seeing a noticeable decrease in performance with the newest drives (the "radar parts" map in Enemy Territory is sluggish when it was not previously). I'm not experiencing lockups though. I'm using mm-sources 2.6.2-mm1 and I don't have any APCI/APM junk compiled in. Matt -- Matthew Kennedy Gentoo Linux Developer Bugs go to http://bugs.gentoo.org! pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Saturday 07 February 2004 06:12 pm, Grendel wrote: > On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, Ernie Schroder wrote: > > I also have the a7nx8 and a ti4200 I am seeing about a 10% > > decrease in framerate with glxgears, and am having lockups. The > > lockups occur more frequently with a GL screensaver running, but > > do occasionally happen with a rapid mouse movement. (suggestions > > are welcomed) > > Several suggestions, please use the vanilla 5336 drivr from > nvidia.com, not a patched release. The 5336 driver support 2.6 out > of the box so no patching is necessary. > > Just try this, please disable ACPI. When ACPI is enabled I have a > astonishing frame drop of 10% or greater, so please edit your > lilo.conf and pass the acpi=off option to the kernel. > > I have the identical setup as you, and I am having no problems at > all. My setup is > 1. Vanilla kernel 2.6.2 compiled with athlon optimisations, > preemption enabled, acpi turned off at boot. I am using NVIDIA's > agp driver. > > cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status > Status: Enabled > Driver: NVIDIA > AGP Rate:8x > Fast Writes: Enabled > SBA: Enabled > > > As I don't have the 2.6.1 kernel doing everything I want, I > > would like to be able to boot back into 2.4.20, but can't unless > > I downgrade the nvidia drivers. Is there a way around this? > > Hmm.the NVIDIA.5336.run package from nvidia.com supports 2.4 > series without any problem. ALso I have noted that surprisingly the > 2.4 series kernels give better frame rates for Neverwinter nights > and other 3d games. > > However you can try disabling acpi, thats the cause of most > problems in the nforce2 motherboards. > > Grendel Hmmm, I hadn't thought to check the AGP status. I found that forcing NvAGP with: Option "NvAGP" "1" results in: $ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status Status: Disabled and glxgears framerate of about 5200 f/sec while: Option "NvAGP" "2" (forces X to use AGPGART) gives me: $ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status Status: Enabled Driver: AGPGART AGP Rate:8x Fast Writes: Disabled SBA: Enabled and framerate of roughly5600 f/sec. lsmod shows that modules nvidia, nvidia_agp and agpgart are loaded. I'm using the same XF86Config as with 2.4.20 that used nvidia's AGP. Any ideas? -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Sunday 08 February 2004 03:22 am, Matthew Kennedy wrote: > Ernie Schroder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I also have the a7nx8 and a ti4200 I am seeing about a 10% > > decrease in framerate with glxgears, and am having lockups. The > > lockups occur more frequently with a GL screensaver running, but > > do occasionally happen with a rapid mouse movement. (suggestions > > are welcomed) As I don't have the 2.6.1 kernel doing everything I > > want, I would like to be able to boot back into 2.4.20, but can't > > unless I downgrade the nvidia drivers. Is there a way around > > this? > > I also have a ti4200. I'm also seeing a noticeable decrease in > performance with the newest drives (the "radar parts" map in Enemy > Territory is sluggish when it was not previously). I'm not > experiencing lockups though. I'm using mm-sources 2.6.2-mm1 and I > don't have any APCI/APM junk compiled in. > > Matt The box seems more stable since passing acpi=off to the kernel. I had used the 2.4.x syntax (noacpi) which doesn't seem to work with 2.6 kernels. My other beef with the 5336 driver is that it won't build for the 2.4.20 kernel so in order to use my old kernel, I need to downgrade the drivers to get X up. Of course, that means I need to change back to run 2.6.1. Will 5336 from nvidia (as opposed to the ebuild) run on 2.4.x kernels? -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
I installed the 5336 nvidia (not ebuild) package under 2.4.22-gentoo-r5 kernel without problems. (But i think that after doing this my 2.6 module disappeared (not sure)) On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 09:56:32 -0500 Ernie Schroder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 08 February 2004 03:22 am, Matthew Kennedy wrote: > > Ernie Schroder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I also have the a7nx8 and a ti4200 I am seeing about a 10% > > > decrease in framerate with glxgears, and am having lockups. The > > > lockups occur more frequently with a GL screensaver running, but > > > do occasionally happen with a rapid mouse movement. (suggestions > > > are welcomed) As I don't have the 2.6.1 kernel doing everything I > > > want, I would like to be able to boot back into 2.4.20, but can't > > > unless I downgrade the nvidia drivers. Is there a way around > > > this? > > > > I also have a ti4200. I'm also seeing a noticeable decrease in > > performance with the newest drives (the "radar parts" map in Enemy > > Territory is sluggish when it was not previously). I'm not > > experiencing lockups though. I'm using mm-sources 2.6.2-mm1 and I > > don't have any APCI/APM junk compiled in. > > > > Matt > > The box seems more stable since passing acpi=off to the kernel. I had > used the 2.4.x syntax (noacpi) which doesn't seem to work with 2.6 > kernels. > My other beef with the 5336 driver is that it won't build for > the > 2.4.20 kernel so in order to use my old kernel, I need to downgrade > the drivers to get X up. Of course, that means I need to change back > to run 2.6.1. Will 5336 from nvidia (as opposed to the ebuild) run on > 2.4.x kernels? > -- > Regards, Ernie > 100% Microsoft and Intel free > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > -- GPG public keys available at pgp.mit.edu pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Jakub Krajcovic wrote: > I installed the 5336 nvidia (not ebuild) package under 2.4.22-gentoo-r5 > kernel without problems. (But i think that after doing this my 2.6 > module disappeared (not sure)) Yes, the NVIDIA's installer, searched and if it finds a nvidia.o for another kernel version existing it removes it, before compiling it for the kernel version it is run under. The 5336 nvidia shuld work under 2.4.x, just download the file (it ends with a .run), and execute it as root, answer no if it asks you whether to see if it has a precompiled driver for your kernel, and it should compile and install your driver (it might also ask you if it can remove the 5336 driver for the 2.6 version, this is ok). If you later want the 2.6 kernel to use nvidia, you will have to run the installer under 2.6 again though. Bye, Grendel. -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Sat, 2004-02-07 at 10:16, Ernie Schroder wrote: > I also have the a7nx8 and a ti4200 I am seeing about a 10% decrease > in framerate with glxgears, and am having lockups. The lockups occur > more frequently with a GL screensaver running, but do occasionally > happen with a rapid mouse movement. (suggestions are welcomed) > As I don't have the 2.6.1 kernel doing everything I want, I would > like to be able to boot back into 2.4.20, but can't unless I > downgrade the nvidia drivers. Is there a way around this? Just to add to the list of results here is what I found. I am running a Ti4400 on VIA chipset (Shuttle AK31A MB). The 5336 series gives me a 5% drop compared to 4496. I also noticed when I use the 5336 drivers that glxgears is visually choppy while with 4496 it looks very smooth, despite such a small difference in fps. I have tried acpi=off and 2.6.1, 2.6.1-r1 kernels with no change in the results. I get the best results using agpgart: nvidia gives me only about 2200 fps. I have had no lock-up problems with either revision of the nvidia drivers. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Ernie Schroder wrote: > The box seems more stable since passing acpi=off to the kernel. I had > used the 2.4.x syntax (noacpi) which doesn't seem to work with 2.6 > kernels. You will probably note and increase in frame rate after disabling acpi for kernel 2.6. > My other beef with the 5336 driver is that it won't build for the > 2.4.20 kernel so in order to use my old kernel, I need to downgrade > the drivers to get X up. Of course, that means I need to change back > to run 2.6.1. Will 5336 from nvidia (as opposed to the ebuild) run on > 2.4.x kernels? The nvidia.com driver compiles for 2.4.x series as well. Grendel. -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Ernie Schroder wrote: > Hmmm, I hadn't thought to check the AGP status. I found that forcing > NvAGP with: > > Option "NvAGP" "1" > > results in: > > $ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status > Status: Disabled > > and glxgears framerate of about 5200 f/sec Hmm...apparently NVAGP couldnt be loaded, one reason is that maybe agpgart is compiled into your kernel statically, or else it is as a module which is preloaded even before X starts. So what you can do is to try and rmmod it before X starts and see if the option 1 forces nvagp. But it is very strange as how you got such a high framerate with agp disabled :( I will run glxgears on my box and come up with my benchmarks, I dont have access to it at the moment. > while: > > Option "NvAGP" "2" (forces X to use AGPGART) > > gives me: > > $ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status > > Status: Enabled > Driver: AGPGART > AGP Rate:8x > Fast Writes: Disabled > SBA: Enabled > > and framerate of roughly5600 f/sec. lsmod shows that modules nvidia, > nvidia_agp and agpgart are loaded. > I'm using the same XF86Config as with 2.4.20 that used nvidia's AGP. > Any ideas? Let me see what the framerates are for glxgears with various AGP options in my computer, and I will getback to you. Grendel. -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:58:21 +0100 Arne Vogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm using 2.6.1 since a couple of days as default kernel after I > managed to solve the > remaining upgrade-related issues (2.4.x to 2.6.x was definitely the > most work-intensive > transition I have experienced), and I installed the nvidia 5336 > drivers. > Maybe it's because I'm not a gamer, but the 2.4.x to 2.5.x (yes I've been on 2.5/2.6 a long time) was the simplest transition I ever made. If I had known about the kernel changing the defaults to "no terminal support" in advance, it would have been error free. > So I would recommend saving all your work (and closing the mail > application, especially if it is configured > to fetch e-mails every x minutes) before starting a 3D game. The > nvidia driver 5336 or kernel 2.6 *may* freeze the PC. > No experience like this, but I only switch between X and alternate terminals without any errors. -- Collins - Denver Area - Gentoo stable kernel 2.6.2-rc1 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Ernie Schroder wrote: > Hmmm, I hadn't thought to check the AGP status. I found that forcing > NvAGP with: > > Option "NvAGP" "1" > > results in: > > $ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status > Status: Disabled Well I did some benchmakrs and found that glxgears is not a good benchmarking option, it probably doesnt use AGP that much, thats why you get the same results even when agp is turned off. However if you take a game like NeverWiner nights which uses a lot of textures, then on my amd 3000xp ti4200, the opening prelude gives 1. AGP off = ~42 fps 2. NVIDIA AGP = ~80-85 fps 3. AGPGART = ~80-85 fps glxgears is giving me 3446 fps on all agp settings. > Any ideas? To try out nvagp you have to start x without the agpgart and the nvidia_modules loaded, if they are loaded then the nvidia driver cant use NVAGP. Thats why it was failed to use NVAGP when you specified it in XF86 file, the agpgart was already loaded. Bye, Grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Sunday 08 February 2004 08:38 pm, Grendel wrote: > On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Ernie Schroder wrote: > > Hmmm, I hadn't thought to check the AGP status. I found that > > forcing NvAGP with: > > > > Option "NvAGP" "1" > > > > results in: > > > > $ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status > > Status: Disabled > > Well I did some benchmakrs and found that glxgears is not a good > benchmarking option, it probably doesnt use AGP that much, thats > why you get the same results even when agp is turned off. > > However if you take a game like NeverWiner nights which uses a lot > of textures, then on my amd 3000xp ti4200, the opening prelude > gives > > 1. AGP off = ~42 fps > 2. NVIDIA AGP = ~80-85 fps > 3. AGPGART = ~80-85 fps > > glxgears is giving me 3446 fps on all agp settings. > > > Any ideas? > > To try out nvagp you have to start x without the agpgart and the > nvidia_modules loaded, if they are loaded then the nvidia driver > cant use NVAGP. Thats why it was failed to use NVAGP when you > specified it in XF86 file, the agpgart was already loaded. > > > Bye, > Grendel Checking things out, I find that agpgart and nvidia-agp (both built as modules) are loaded at boot and trying to rmmod them fails saying they are in use. Does this happen due to frame buffer? CONFIG_FB_VESA=y S, I renamed agpgart and played around a bit. With my current config, (1600x1200 16 bit color) I'm seeing 5200 f/sec with no AGP, 5550 with agpgart and 5600 f/sec using nvidia-agp. The older drivers on 2.4.20 ran about the same with agpgart and no AGP but they gave me just under 6000 f/sec with nvidia-agp. I should qualify that with the fact that the 6000 f/sec framerate was on a Leadtek motherboard (also nforce2 chipset) and an XP2100 processor (now running XP2400) 24 bit color takes the 5600 f/sec number down to 3670 f/sec. I don't do games here but I need the graphics for Pro/E Wildfire. (anybody got a Quadro4 card for sale cheap?) -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
Hi, On Monday 09 February 2004 04:20, Ernie Schroder wrote: > Checking things out, I find that agpgart and nvidia-agp (both built as > modules) are loaded at boot and trying to rmmod them fails saying > they are in use. Does this happen due to frame buffer? > CONFIG_FB_VESA=y somebody should put a message into the ebuild that FB and NVIDA is a NONO. This will never work. And it has been pointed out millions of times. (I can't even think why anybody could want FB, if he is using X anyway). Try a kernel without that nonsense, should be a lot better... -- Conclusions In a straight-up fight, the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug. Even with its numerical advantage removed, the Empire would still squash the Federation like a bug. Accept it. -Michael Wong -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Sunday 08 February 2004 11:03 pm, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: > Hi, > > On Monday 09 February 2004 04:20, Ernie Schroder wrote: > > Checking things out, I find that agpgart and nvidia-agp (both > > built as modules) are loaded at boot and trying to rmmod them > > fails saying they are in use. Does this happen due to frame > > buffer? > > CONFIG_FB_VESA=y > > somebody should put a message into the ebuild that FB and NVIDA is > a NONO. This will never work. > And it has been pointed out millions of times. (I can't even think > why anybody could want FB, if he is using X anyway). > > Try a kernel without that nonsense, should be a lot better... Frame buffer works just fine. That's not the problem.The caveat is if using an Nvidia card, you need to compile in the vesa framebuffer driver, NOT the nvidia FB support. -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004, Ernie Schroder wrote: > > glxgears is giving me 3446 fps on all agp settings. I forgot to mention that I wa running in 24bpp, 1024*768 > > Checking things out, I find that agpgart and nvidia-agp (both built as > modules) are loaded at boot and trying to rmmod them fails saying > they are in use. Does this happen due to frame buffer? Strange. Its possible, I of course dont compile these frame buffer things in as I run X . > CONFIG_FB_VESA=y > S, I renamed agpgart and played around a bit. With my current > config, (1600x1200 16 bit color) I'm seeing 5200 f/sec with no AGP, > 5550 with agpgart and 5600 f/sec using nvidia-agp. The older drivers > on 2.4.20 ran about the same with agpgart and no AGP but they gave me > just under 6000 f/sec with nvidia-agp. I should qualify that with the > fact that the 6000 f/sec framerate was on a Leadtek motherboard (also > nforce2 chipset) and an XP2100 processor (now running XP2400) > 24 bit color takes the 5600 f/sec number down to 3670 f/sec. Yes, I too am getting similar readings at 24bpp at 1024*768. Defninitely without doubt the 2.4 series of kernels is faster for the nvidia drivers than the 2.6. I notice that when you enable preemption the 3d performance goes down. ACPI of course slows down everything horribly, ACPI in linux (even in the 2.6) is just not on yet. For example try ripping a DVD to XVID/DIVX using mencoder and note the FPS you get, now try enabling/disabling ACPI and see the drastic improvement in frames processed per second. Bye, grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Monday 09 Feb 2004 04:03, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: > somebody should put a message into the ebuild that FB and NVIDA is a > NONO. This will never work. Of course it works, as long as you use the VESA framebuffer. It's the Riva framebuffer that causes problems with Nvidia. > And it has been pointed out millions of times. (I can't even think > why anybody could want FB, if he is using X anyway). I told you a zillion times not to exaggerate :-) > Peter -- == Gentoo Linux: Portage 2.0.50kernel-2.6.2 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+KDE: 3.1.5 Qt: 3.2.3 gcc(GCC): 3.3.2 == -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Monday 09 February 2004 05:49, Ernie Schroder wrote: > On Sunday 08 February 2004 11:03 pm, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Monday 09 February 2004 04:20, Ernie Schroder wrote: > > > Checking things out, I find that agpgart and nvidia-agp (both > > > built as modules) are loaded at boot and trying to rmmod them > > > fails saying they are in use. Does this happen due to frame > > > buffer? > > > CONFIG_FB_VESA=y > > > > somebody should put a message into the ebuild that FB and NVIDA is > > a NONO. This will never work. > > And it has been pointed out millions of times. (I can't even think > > why anybody could want FB, if he is using X anyway). > > > > Try a kernel without that nonsense, should be a lot better... > > Frame buffer works just fine. That's not the problem.The caveat is if > using an Nvidia card, you need to compile in the vesa framebuffer > driver, NOT the nvidia FB support. No, # # Graphics support # # CONFIG_FB is not set CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT=y # # Console display driver support # CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y # CONFIG_MDA_CONSOLE is not set CONFIG_DUMMY_CONSOLE=y directly from my config. As you can see, no FB. Why? Because it is common known, that FB&nvidida binary driver, that FB&X are a very bad choice. You do not need FB. Never. And if you want to use nvidia or ati-binary drivers, FB is not only bad, it is a false choice. The only grakas, that need FB are SiS based, the rest NOT! Glück Auf, Volker -- Conclusions In a straight-up fight, the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug. Even with its numerical advantage removed, the Empire would still squash the Federation like a bug. Accept it. -Michael Wong -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
I don't know what's the problem with using framebuffer??? I think that the framebuffer is a great idea. Why bother with X all the time, when sometimes you don;t even need to start it, and you can do all you need in the console, even _graphically_ browse the net (yes, links it is). An one more thing for the framebuffer: try watching divx/xvid/etc movies in fullscreen on a pII 266, ati mach 64 4mb and 96 mb ram in X and see how far you go. And thanks to the vesa framebuffer (but mplayer mostly :-)), an old piece of junk is a great mobile multimedia station... On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:45:03 +0100 "Hemmann, Volker Armin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > directly from my config. > > As you can see, no FB. > Why? > Because it is common known, that FB&nvidida binary driver, that FB&X > are a very bad choice. > > You do not need FB. Never. And if you want to use nvidia or ati-binary > drivers, FB is not only bad, it is a false choice. > > The only grakas, that need FB are SiS based, the rest NOT! -- GPG public keys available at pgp.mit.edu pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
> > Frame buffer works just fine. That's not the problem.The caveat is if > > using an Nvidia card, you need to compile in the vesa framebuffer > > driver, NOT the nvidia FB support. Yup. rivafb + nvidia = bad > You do not need FB. Never. And if you want to use nvidia or ati-binary > drivers, FB is not only bad, it is a false choice. Funny, it works fine for me . . . and why is it a false choice? Perhaps I want to spend most of my time in a 1600x1200 console, but still play games (or use CAD, or various other things) in X with the full awesomeness of my video card. Regarding the OP: $ uname -r 2.6.2-rc3 $ qpkg -I -v nvidia-kernel media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.5336-r1 * Works very well for me in 2d--I haven't gamed much, but NWN works at least for a short time. I'm also having no trouble switching from X to my (framebuffered) consoles. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, The awesome and feared Jakub Krajcovic commented thusly, > I don't know what's the problem with using framebuffer??? I think that > the framebuffer is a great idea. Why bother with X all the time, when > sometimes you don;t even need to start it, and you can do all you need > in the console, even _graphically_ browse the net (yes, links it is). One thing I dont like about the frame buffer is that the modes have a horrible refresh rate, some are at 60hz which makes them unusable for long term perposes. There must be a way of increasing this but I never bothered to find out as I can do this as the X driver automatically figures out the highest refresh rated. > An one more thing for the framebuffer: try watching divx/xvid/etc movies > in fullscreen on a pII 266, ati mach 64 4mb and 96 mb ram in X and see > how far you go. And thanks to the vesa framebuffer (but mplayer mostly > :-)), an old piece of junk is a great mobile multimedia station... Surely the X driver will be allways faster than vesa? If it supports some kind of 2d accelration even (most old cards do) this will be ALLWAYS faster than writing to VESA which is not hardware accelerated IIRC. VBE 2.0 had some improvements but I still dont beleive that there was any 2d hardware acceleration involved in the specs. Grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
>From the outputs mplayer gives after compilation, the only usable X output is X11, that doesn't support fullscreen. Trust me on this one _none_ of the X outputs even come close to VESA performance (in this specific issue) On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:25:07 +0600 (LKT) Grendel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Surely the X driver will be allways faster than vesa? If it supports > some kind of 2d accelration even (most old cards do) this will be > ALLWAYS faster than writing to VESA which is not hardware accelerated > IIRC. VBE 2.0 had some improvements but I still dont beleive that > there was any 2d hardware acceleration involved in the specs. -- GPG public keys available at pgp.mit.edu pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6 and nvidia 5336
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, The awesome and feared Jakub Krajcovic commented thusly, > >From the outputs mplayer gives after compilation, the only usable X > output is X11, that doesn't support fullscreen. Trust me on this one > _none_ of the X outputs even come close to VESA performance (in this > specific issue) I beleive you, but the strange thing is that VESA is not a hardware accelerated API, I am talking about vesa versions upto VBE 2.0 I dont know if the situation has improved. Vesa merely exists to enable programs to acess the cards memory in a easy standards way, it also has a lot of other handy functions as well, like energy saving. Grendel -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. plz set me as your signature and help me spread :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
