date:20060329

On 3/29/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> www.alienware.com  I beg to differ.  I could have sworn I saw a laptop
> with more than 2G...  where was it... wow!  You appear to be right!
> Darn.. I could have SWORN I saw something with > 2G...

Actually, you are right.  I neglected the monstrous Clevo laptop.  Its
an AMD X2 with capacity for 2 optical drives plus 2 hard drives, up to
3G of memory, and a 200W power adapter.  Weighs 12-15 lbs, _not_
counting the power adapter!  This is acutally a Clevo design, sold by
Sager, AGearnotebooks, and many others.  Alienware got it with a
customized case.  All of the reviews I read on it basically said
"incredible performance, excellent display, but heavy, noisy, and
really hard to describe how large it really is".

I was actually considering purchasing this beast...but the noise
factor scared me off.  Not really appropriate for a shared office or
conference room.

> compiler helps with the 64-bit part.  It gets a bit technical, but
> there is a big difference between something made from the ground up as
> 64-bit versus something that was made 32-bit and just recompiled
> 64-bit.

For most applications, this is not true.  The vast majority of C/C++
code that runs on a desktop system couldn't care less whether longs
and pointers are 32-bits or 64-bits in size.  It is a compiler
function to deal with that.  And it is also a compiler function to
determine whether 64-bit or 32-bit registers should be used for a
particular operation.  FYI, gcc has supported non-x86 64-bit CPUs for
a long time, so gcc's 64-bit support is probably more mature than you
think.  So are the applications...many open source applications were
ported and adapted (if necessary) to 64-bit sparc and alpha processors
back in the late 90s.

There are opportunities for some programs to take advantage of special
processor operations through assembly instructions.  This is very
similar to how 3Dnow, MMX, SSE, et. al. make programs faster.  So
there may be some specific optimizations for some operations that can
be improved over time.

An example of an application domain that could benefit from 64-bit is
encryption, because for key setups you need to calculate very large
numbers.  Such numbers could be calculated about twice as fast with
64-bit operations vs 32-bit.  *BUT*, this does almost nothing for the
actual data encryption itself.

A good resource on the 64-bit vs 32-bit issues is to look at AMDs
optimization guide for software developers.  Chapter 3 is particularly
relevant:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/25112.PDF

-Richard

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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

2006-03-29 Thread John Jolet



On Mar 29, 2006, at 9:04 PM, Ow Mun Heng wrote:


On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 18:53 -0800, Lord Sauron wrote:

On 3/29/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 17:41 -0800, Lord Sauron wrote:

On 3/29/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




My wife's home desktop is a Dell w/ 768MB Ram, 2,8Ghz P4 and  
integrated

graphics. It runs slower (feel) than my laptop which has discrete
graphics.


Poor woman...  having to use a Dell ; )


Hey.. I use a DELL too. Dell D600 Laptop. Went through ~6 motherboard
changes. Dang Dell always giving me re-furbished parts.

Hinge Broke off as well.

well, now i've got a perfectly good dell inspiron 1100 running gentoo  
sitting by my ankle as I type on my ibook :)


It's great for network troubleshooting and security testing...but I  
got ahold of it because it was my wife's and the usb ports gradually  
ceased functioningfirst it was the mouse, but the printer  
worked...now not even a usb-powered light will work..

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Re: [gentoo-user] Modular Xorg 7 won't start with nVidia GeForce4 440 Go

On 3/29/06, Daevid Vincent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That error is bogus as that had to do with the "Xorg -configure" version.

Hmm, ok.

> (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR
> (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
> (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
> (II) Initializing built-in extension XEVIE
> (II) Initializing extension GLX
>

Not sure what is going here.  The backtrace starts from some font
handling functions, but I don't see anything significant in your log
that points to a font issue.  And the backtrace itself doesn't seem to
make any sense.

On my system (using modular X with the nvidia 8178 driver), an strace
of the X server shows that the input devices are initialized almost
immediately after the GLX initialization completes:

13611 write(0, "(II) Initializing extension GLX\n", 32) = 32
13611 open("/usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy", O_RDONLY) = 11
13611 fstat64(11, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2925, ...}) = 0
13611 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb6651000
13611 read(11, "version-1 \n\n# $Xorg: SecurityPol"..., 4096) = 2925
13611 read(11, "", 4096)= 0
13611 close(11) = 0
13611 munmap(0xb6651000, 4096)  = 0
13611 time(NULL)= 1143686197
13611 write(0, "(II) Synaptics touchpad driver v"..., 53) = 53
13611 write(0, "(**) Option \"Device\"", 20) = 20
13611 write(0, " \"/dev/input/event1\"", 20) = 20

This leads me again to think that there is a problem with the input devices.

Have you tried doing a revdep-rebuild?  Have you verified your
'eselect opengl' settings?  What use flags did you build with (emerge
-pv xorg-x11 xorg-server)

-Richard

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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 18:53 -0800, Lord Sauron wrote:
> On 3/29/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 17:41 -0800, Lord Sauron wrote:
> > > On 3/29/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> > My wife's home desktop is a Dell w/ 768MB Ram, 2,8Ghz P4 and integrated
> > graphics. It runs slower (feel) than my laptop which has discrete
> > graphics.
> 
> Poor woman...  having to use a Dell ; )

Hey.. I use a DELL too. Dell D600 Laptop. Went through ~6 motherboard
changes. Dang Dell always giving me re-furbished parts.

Hinge Broke off as well. 


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Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia 6629? was: modular Xorg made it to ~x86

2006-03-29 Thread Norberto Bensa

Kristian Poul Herkild wrote:
> Well, I have an old GeForce2 MX400 and I'm using 1.0.8178-r3 with GLX,
> though only with X.org6.8
>
> But 1.0.8178 works much better than the older ones. 6629 never worked
> for me - the oldest I can use (with GLX) are the 1.0.7174.

Hm. Just out of curiosity. What kernel are you running?

Many thanks in advance,
Norberto


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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On 3/29/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 17:41 -0800, Lord Sauron wrote:
> > On 3/29/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Yeah, however, I see all these people buy a cheap laptop from Dell and
> > > > expect it to run stuff like Doom 3.
> > >
> > /me hates those built-in graphics. Makes things slow.
> > > Seriously does make a difference.
> >
> > However, at the same time, you really shouldn't expect games out of
> > any but the most expensive laptops.  Maybe 5-10 years from now that'll
>
> I'm not even talking about playing games. I'm just talking about graphic
> rendering. eg: Desktop Wallpaper rendering/eye candy.

Well, I can understand if a lot of eyekandy won't work...  yeah, I
guess you're right.  My laptop's GC works slower than a older GC that
was in a desktop.

> My wife's home desktop is a Dell w/ 768MB Ram, 2,8Ghz P4 and integrated
> graphics. It runs slower (feel) than my laptop which has discrete
> graphics.

Poor woman...  having to use a Dell ; )

> > > If you're not concerned with battery nor weight. I suggest you go for
> > > the Dell XPS Mobile concept (when it becomes available)
> > >> Here are some shots.
> >
> > That's not so much a laptop as a new breed of ultraportable desktop, IMHO.
>
> heh.. I like that. Ultraportable desktop.

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GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+
L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+
V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+
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Re: [gentoo-user] USB issue

2006-03-29 Thread Ian


On 3/29/06, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:04:12 -0700, Ian wrote:>  cp: writing '/mnt/ipod/file': Input/Output error
>> cp: cannot create regular file '/mnt/ipod/file2': Input/Output errorWhat do you have in /etc/fstab for this?
 
Basically the standard. 
/dev/sda2  [tab] /mnt/ipod  [tab]  auto   [tab]  noauto,users,rw  [tab] 0 0
That line is from memory, although it did previously work perfectly.
 
What is the output from "ls -ld /mnt/ipod" before and after mounting?
 
Im at work right now, Ill reply very soon with this output.
Does cp work as root?
 
Flawlessly.
 
One other thing, I did upgrade kernels, however I used make oldconfig with the older
config file in the kernel directory. I rechecked the menuconfig and found that everything
I think should be enabled, was. I can post my config file on my server and link you guys
when I get home.
 
HTH,
Ian
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Re: [gentoo-user] Aborting due to QA concerns

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:34:50 +0900
Jason Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If you look at that
> path /var/tmp/portage/gnome-netstatus-2.12.0/image/ is duplicated
> which means the final directory that portage would install to would
> be the directory it's installing from.
> 
> This is a bug that needs reporting (if hasn't been already).

I never reported a gentoo bug yet, though I go poke around and see what
I need to do.  For now I just did an overlay for gnome-base/gnome and
removed gnome-netstatus as a dependency.

Jim
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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 17:41 -0800, Lord Sauron wrote:
> On 3/29/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Yeah, however, I see all these people buy a cheap laptop from Dell and
> > > expect it to run stuff like Doom 3.
> >
> /me hates those built-in graphics. Makes things slow.
> > Seriously does make a difference.
> 
> However, at the same time, you really shouldn't expect games out of
> any but the most expensive laptops.  Maybe 5-10 years from now that'll

I'm not even talking about playing games. I'm just talking about graphic
rendering. eg: Desktop Wallpaper rendering/eye candy.

My wife's home desktop is a Dell w/ 768MB Ram, 2,8Ghz P4 and integrated
graphics. It runs slower (feel) than my laptop which has discrete
graphics.


> > If you're not concerned with battery nor weight. I suggest you go for
> > the Dell XPS Mobile concept (when it becomes available)
> >> Here are some shots. 
> 
> That's not so much a laptop as a new breed of ultraportable desktop, IMHO.

heh.. I like that. Ultraportable desktop.


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[gentoo-user] apache2 without DNS?

Hello,

I run a minimalistic, closed, (not connected to the internet), network for
machines. This network does not run any DNS, and it works beautifully, very low
in bandwidth, all static IPs. I do not wish to argue about the merits of not
running DNS on a network, it's a given, out of my control!

I installed Jffnms on a server, along with the other required software:
apache2, php4, postgresql etc etc as describe in this document:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/jffnms.xml

I can find the main setup pages in the
/var/www/localhost/htdocs/htdocs/admin/ dir from the command line:
menu.php sat_session.inc.php
calendar.php  menu_frame.php   satellite.php
color_select.php  menu_interface_list.php  setup.php

http://192.168.2.9/  pops up the usually apache2 default page

But I cannot get to the 
/var/www/localhost/htdocs/htdocs/admin/setup.php page, from a web browser
running on neither the server, nor anywhere on the network. The default
apache2 page does pop up on a web browser from any machine on
the network, including the apache2 server.

This is probably really simple. Bear in mind that I'm far, far
from a whiz with apache et.al. being more of a 'hardware type'.

are the repeated htdocs/htdocs dirs the problem?

What's wrong or what do I need to tryto get this to work.?


James



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Re: [gentoo-user] chroot

2006-03-29 Thread Walter Dnes

On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 03:44:02PM +0200, Arnau Bria Ram??rez wrote

> Maybe I don't understand the benefits of your action, but what
> advantages do you get doing so? I always do a emerge -uD world,
> so package and its dependency... I do not care if dependency it's
> in world or not...
> 
> Please, could you please explain a little more your post? I'm intrigued...

  What I said was, when doing the install...

> > - start off with a basic text-console-only install
> > - and then I fire up "emerge gimp" before heading off to work

  It's not necessary to figure out what dependancies are required.
Portage will do it for you.  You do not need to waste time figuring out
how to build X or parts of GNOME or KDE separately.  Of course, if you
want the GNOME or KDE desktop, then you'll have to install it
explicitly.  I run with Blackbox.  Only the necessary parts of GNOME and
KDE are pulled in and built.

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[gentoo-user] bash-3.1 - Not honouring /etc/inputrc

I run bash 3.0, I have this in my /etc/inputrc

"\M-[A": history-search-backward
"\M-[B": history-search-forward

which makes things like

$l
$ls -l /tmp 
$ls -laR /tmp

when I upgraded to 3.1 this morning (emerge world), I lost this
behaviour. Between 3.0 and 3.1, there wasn't any config  file changes
which could have caused this, so I don't know why it doesn't work.

If anyone has any ideas, would be great to hear them


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Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel

2006-03-29 Thread Bo Andresen

On Thursday 30 March 2006 02:53, Lord Sauron wrote:
> Later I hope to reinsert my Live CD and get the 
> pretty stuff off of it to beautify my Gentoo.

For what kind of beautifying do you need the Live CD? If you are referring to 
the splash theme that it uses then it is in portage.

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_fbsplash

> However, even before beautification I have to figure out how to mount
> my USB memory stick (/dev/sda1), however, that's for another thread.

What you want is CONFIG_USB_STORAGE in the kernel configuration. The following 
is from make menuconfig:

 Symbol: USB_STORAGE [=m]
Prompt: USB Mass Storage support
  Defined at drivers/usb/storage/Kconfig:9
  Depends on: USB
  Location:
-> Device Drivers
  -> USB support

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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On 3/29/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 15:42 -0800, Lord Sauron wrote:
> > On 3/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, however, I see all these people buy a cheap laptop from Dell and
> > expect it to run stuff like Doom 3.
>
> Soon, they'll have to but it from Alienware which dell just bought
> recently. They're pulling the plug on the discrete graphics even on the
> inspiron. /me hates those built-in graphics. Makes things slow.
> Seriously does make a difference.

However, at the same time, you really shouldn't expect games out of
any but the most expensive laptops.  Maybe 5-10 years from now that'll
be a different story, but for now that's about right.

> > > the available desktop without zooming in so far that he couldn't see
> > > the overall diagram.  On my 17" screen at 1920x1200 though, neither of
> > > us had any problems with the display.
>
> If you're not concerned with battery nor weight. I suggest you go for
> the Dell XPS Mobile concept (when it becomes available)
>
> Now, that is one _*#$*#_ of a laptop.
>
> Here are some shots. (hope I don't get flamed for this. I've resized the
> pics to the smallest.

That's not so much a laptop as a new breed of ultraportable desktop, IMHO.

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GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+
L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+
V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+
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RE: [gentoo-user] Modular Xorg 7 won't start with nVidia GeForce4 440 Go

> On 3/29/06, Daevid Vincent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Xorg is not able to detect your mouse.
> > Edit the file and correct the Device.
> 
> This will usually cause a fatal server error.  I suggesting editing
> xorg.conf and pointing the mouse a /dev/input/mice.

That error is bogus as that had to do with the "Xorg -configure" version. 

If you notice, the real 'startx' uses my regular /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
that worked fine with Xorg 6.8 and has no such mouse error.

> If that doesn't help, the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be the
> most useful thing for us to see.

locutus log # cat Xorg.0.log

X Window System Version 7.0.0
Release Date: 21 December 2005
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.0
Build Operating System:Linux 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 i686
Current Operating System: Linux locutus.daevid.com 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 #1
PREEMPT Tue Feb 21 18:44:25 PST 2006 i686
Build Date: 28 March 2006
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Mar 29 17:34:47 2006
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
(==) ServerLayout "Default Layout"
(**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "Dell LCD"
(**) |   |-->Device "Card0"
(**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0"
(**) |-->Input Device "Internal Mouse0"
(**) |-->Input Device "External Mouse1"
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/Speedo" does not exist.
Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/truetype" does not exist.
Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/truetype" does not exist.
Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/windows_TTF" does not exist.
Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/CID/" does not exist.
Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in "/usr/share/fonts/encodings".
Entry deleted from font path.
(Run 'mkfontdir' on "/usr/share/fonts/encodings").
(**) FontPath set to
"/usr/share/fonts,/usr/share/fonts/local,/usr/share/fonts/misc,/usr/share/fo
nts/75dpi:unscaled,/usr/share/fonts/100dpi:unscaled,/usr/share/fonts/Type1,/
usr/local/share/fonts,/usr/share/fonts/freefont,/usr/share/fonts/terminus,/u
sr/share/fonts/ttf,/usr/share/fonts/cyrillic,/usr/share/fonts/lfp-fix,/usr/s
hare/fonts/lfp-var,/usr/share/fonts/sharefont,/usr/share/fonts/TTF,/usr/shar
e/fonts/ukr,/usr/share/fonts/aquafont,/usr/share/fonts/artwiz,/usr/share/fon
ts/lfp-fix,/usr/share/fonts/lfpfonts-var,/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/share/
fonts/100dpi/,/usr/share/fonts/artwiz,/usr/share/fonts/corefonts,/usr/share/
fonts/ttf-bitstream-vera,/usr/share/fonts/ukr,/usr/share/fonts/unifont,/usr/
share/fonts/util"
(==) RgbPath set to "/usr/share/X11/rgb"
(==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
(**) Extension "Composite" is enabled
(II) Module ABI versions:
X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.2
X.Org Video Driver: 0.8
X.Org XInput driver : 0.5
X.Org Server Extension : 0.2
X.Org Font Renderer : 0.4
(II) Loader running on linux
(II) LoadModule: "bitmap"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/fonts/libbitmap.so
(II) Module bitmap: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.0.0
Module class: X.Org Font Renderer
ABI class: X.Org Font Renderer, version 0.4
(II) Loading font Bitmap
(II) LoadModule: "pcidata"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libpcidata.so
(II) Module pcidata: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.8
(--) using VT number 7

(II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex)
(II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 8086,1a30 card , rev 04 class 06,00,00 hdr
00
(II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 8086,1a31 card , rev 04 class 06,04,00 hdr
01
(II) PCI: 00:1d:0: chip 8086,2482 card 8086,4541 rev 02 class 0c,03,00 hdr
80
(II) PCI: 00:1d:2: chip 8086,2487 card 8086,4541 rev 02 class 0c,03,00 hdr
00
(II) PCI: 00:1e:0: chip 8086,2448 card , rev 42 class 06,04,00 hdr
01
(II) PCI: 00:1f:0: chip 8086,248c card , rev 02 class 06,01,00 hdr
80
(II) PCI: 00:1f:1: chip 8086,248a card 8086,4541 rev 02 class 01,01,8a hdr
00
(II) PCI: 00:1f:5: chip 8086,2485 card 1013,5959 rev 02 class 04,01,00 hdr
00
(II) PCI: 00:1f:6: chip 8086,2486 card 14f1,5421 rev 02 class 07,03,00 hdr
00
(II) PCI: 01:00:0: chip 10de,0174 card 1028,00d4 rev a3 class 03,00,00 hdr
00
(II) PCI: 02:00:0: chip 10b7,9200 card 1028,00d4 rev 78 class 02,00,00 hdr
00
(II) PCI: 02:01:0: chip 104c,ac42 card e000, rev 00 class 06,07,00 hdr
82
(II) PCI: 02:01:1: chip 104c,ac42 card e800, rev 00 class 06,07,00 hdr
82
(II) PCI: 02:01:2: chip 104c,8

Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 15:42 -0800, Lord Sauron wrote:
> On 3/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yeah, however, I see all these people buy a cheap laptop from Dell and
> expect it to run stuff like Doom 3. 

Soon, they'll have to but it from Alienware which dell just bought
recently. They're pulling the plug on the discrete graphics even on the
inspiron. /me hates those built-in graphics. Makes things slow.
Seriously does make a difference.

> > the available desktop without zooming in so far that he couldn't see
> > the overall diagram.  On my 17" screen at 1920x1200 though, neither of
> > us had any problems with the display.

If you're not concerned with battery nor weight. I suggest you go for
the Dell XPS Mobile concept (when it becomes available)

Now, that is one _*#$*#_ of a laptop.

Here are some shots. (hope I don't get flamed for this. I've resized the
pics to the smallest.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel

2006-03-29 Thread Teresa and Dale

Lord Sauron wrote:

>
>
>Okay.  So there are two ways of making kernels, and one of them is
>with Genkernel and I'm not using that so I don't need to worry, right?
>
>  
>

Just like most things in Linux, there are several ways to do it.  Yours
isn't the way I do it but if it works for ya, go for it.

Dale
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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 17:34 -0700, Richard Fish wrote:
> On 3/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > How soon do you think we'll see laptops with the Dual Core Turion64?
> 
> Summer.  Got to have them out in time for back-to-school purchasing, right?
> 
> >
> > Elsewhere (perhaps on this list on a different topic) someone
> > recommended not buying anything except for 64 bits (either AMD or Intel)
> > from now on. Do you agree, in particular regarding laptops?
> 
> No, but others are going to disagree with me!

Actually, if I didn't have to get one now, I would wait. I'll not wait
for the dual-core AMD, but I'll wait for the quad-core. After all, these
dual-cores are just a transition time for the chip producers. 

Intel just announced that they'll be coming out with the quad cores
sometime in Q1 2007 (can't remember which Q it was..)

> 
> Nobody is currently producing laptops that can have over 4G of memory
> (in fact, 2G is the max today in a laptop).  

I think I saw some with 3G?



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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 13:35 -0700, Richard Fish wrote:
> /me goes to get 3rd mortgage to pay for more gadgets...
> 
/me surprised that 'whom must be obeyed' actually OK'ed the idea. Hehe..

/me have to go work out a budget report and write up a 200page brief for
getting funds from the Ministry of Home Finance.



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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 11:47 -0800, Lord Sauron wrote:
> http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=4611686018425155337&storeId=1001&langId=-1&categoryId=2059153&dualCurrId=173&catalogId=-840
> 
> That's the cheapest X60 with Core Duo.  HOWEVER:

Hmm.. you obviously missed out this one..
http://shoponline.com.sg/product_info.php?osCsid=846a9e26b170bb790f1abf4c95c68030¤cy=USD&osCsid=846a9e26b170bb790f1abf4c95c68030&cPath=116&products_id=3728

though it's just a tad bit more pricer, but way better processor specs.

I'm thinking of getting it actually. (for the "whom must be obeyed")

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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 11:36 -0800, Lord Sauron wrote:
> On 3/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You have no idea what portable is.  One month on a 3.7lb. 12.1 inch
> X40 and you'll never go back - even if you wanted to!

It depends actually. Like Richard, I like/love the high res on my D600 -
1400x1050. 

I can live with a 12.1" 1024x768, but I don't think I can live with
those new "Glare" LCDs which are so popular today.

But between ultraportable and having a high res screen, I _will_ go back
to a 12.1 cos of the weight. 

I used to have a Dell P166 MMX which weighed 3.2 Kgs before I bought
this 'so-called' 2.2kg D600. Now, I know that even 2.2 is heavy.

I'm a so-called road-warrior. I take my laptop nearly everywhere. (since
I don't like leaving it in the car for fear of it getting stolen. There
are reports of thieves using some kind of metal/battery detector, going
around parking lots and unlocking the trunk! 2 Colleagues lost theirs
that way.)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Why is portage trying to pull in xorg when I don't use it...

2006-03-29 Thread Ryan Tandy

Daevid Vincent wrote:

-Original Message-
From: Philip Webb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:07 PM

To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Why is portage trying to pull in 
xorg when I don't use it...

060329 Daevid Vincent wrote:

I have a VMWare that I use for LAMP development.
I have never put Xorg on it nor do I ever want X windows on it.
Recently, when I do an 'emerge -Davut world', I see this:

-- snip --

[ebuild U ] www-client/links-2.1_pre20 [2.1_pre19] -X 

-directfb -fbcon

+gpm -javascript +jpeg -livecd +png +sdl +ssl -svga +tiff 

-unicode 3,768 kB 
-- snip --

[ebuild  N] x11-terms/xterm-207  -Xaw3d -doc -toolbar 

+truetype -unicode

727 kB 
What is trying to bring in all those NEW x11 packages?
How can I prevent this annoyance? 

It's clearer if you do 'emerge -etp links', which requires 
all the GUI stuff

OMG! 'links' pulls in _92_ package dependencies?! That's silly.

What confuses me even more now, is that AFAIK, "links" is (according to the
man page) "lynx-like alternative character mode WWW browser", so why then
all the x11 dependencies and such. Shouldn't this thing, by definition, just
work in console mode without all that extra crap? 

I "solved" this by adding this to /etc/portage/package.use:

www-client/links -X -directfb -fbcon gpm -javascript -jpeg -livecd -png -sdl
ssl -svga -tiff -unicode

But what seems silly to me is that why does this have jpeg, png, tiff
support if it's in console mode? Will "links" actually SHOW an image? I've
NEVER seen it do that (on any other linux box, even with X support)

Links has an optional (very basic) graphical browser, enabled when 
compiled with USE="X" and started with the command line "links -g".  I 
often use it on systems early in the build process (I like to get rid of 
the CD as soon as possible) while I'm still building GTK+ and Firefox.  
The JPEG, PNG, and TIFF flags only have any effect when the X flag is 
selected as well.  In your case, it was pulling in X because you had SDL 
enabled, and in turn OpenGL enabled for SDL.  Since SDL and OpenGL are 
both GUI libraries (SDL not entirely, I'll admit), you might as well add 
'-sdl -opengl' to your global USE in /etc/make.conf since it's a no-X 
installation.

HTH.
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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On 3/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/29/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Great for you.  However, if you got a laptop for non-work use
> > (personal, communications, mobile DVD viewing, &c) would you rather
> > get the massive 9 pound thing you use at work, or a nice small 14"
> > portable?
>
> Even this is a tough decision for me...I do occasionally like to watch
> DVDs on my laptop, even when I am at home, because at arms length my
> screen takes up more of my visual field than my 65" TV across the
> room!  There is just something about that that makes me smile...

Yeah, even with my amazing 12.1" "Theatre-in-a-clamshell" display it
takes up more of my field of view than anything other than my dad's
massive 51" DLP HDTV (1080i, I hope to plug my hilariously overpowered
graphics card into it someday!)

> Probably the same smile you get after you panic because you think you
> forgot your laptop,  and then realize it is on your shoulder...

Yup!  What really puts it into perspective is the X4 Ultrabase dock
that I use.  When I take it with me (when I know I'll need it -
otherwise it sits next to the Athlon64) I can really feel the extra
1.1lbs.  It's more noticeable than you would think, for those of you
who never owned a laptop.

> > Before I forget: I lied.  I doublechecked the #s and my X40 is really
> > 2.7 lbs.  Srry...  won't let it happen again ; )
>
> Thank goodness for competition and market analysiswe both get
> laptops that we are really happy with, and that work well for us!

Yup.  Thank God for lassiz-faire, or you we would both have laptops
(if we were lucky) that would be the best for us - according to what
the state says is the best for us : (

> Anyway my advice to people is to figure out what your needs are and
> buy the best laptop you can afford that comes as close to those needs
> as possible.  Bigger is not always better.  Neither is smaller.

I love consulting on these things.  Just email me - I'm totally
neurotic about making sure you find what you need and not what they
say you need (which also just so happens to be the most expensive item
on their list...  what are the chances of that?)

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Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel

SOLVED!!!

I did as you suggested.

localhost ~ # cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
default 0
timeout 7
splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
title Current Kernel
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3
title Old Kernel
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz.old root=/dev/hda3
title Failsafe
root (hd0,0)
kernel  /kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 root=/dev/ram0
init=/linuxrc ramdisk=8192 real_root=/dev/hda3
initrd /initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5

is now what I use.  Later I hope to reinsert my Live CD and get the
pretty stuff off of it to beautify my Gentoo.

ACPI now works perfectly.  There was a small glitch in which I
discovered that my newly built kernel did *not* have my networking
card installed, so I had to recompile with that enabled but after this
it was no sweat.

Thanks for your help - I would have gotten as far as Kubuntu if you
hadn't helped me (as in I would be back with Kubuntu).

However, even before beautification I have to figure out how to mount
my USB memory stick (/dev/sda1), however, that's for another thread.

Thanks for your help - I hope to be able to make it up to you all someday : )

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Re: [gentoo-user] Modular Xorg 7 won't start with nVidia GeForce4 440 Go

On 3/29/06, Daevid Vincent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Xorg is not able to detect your mouse.
> Edit the file and correct the Device.

This will usually cause a fatal server error.  I suggesting editing
xorg.conf and pointing the mouse a /dev/input/mice.

If that doesn't help, the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be the
most useful thing for us to see.

-Richard

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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On 3/29/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Great for you.  However, if you got a laptop for non-work use
> (personal, communications, mobile DVD viewing, &c) would you rather
> get the massive 9 pound thing you use at work, or a nice small 14"
> portable?

Even this is a tough decision for me...I do occasionally like to watch
DVDs on my laptop, even when I am at home, because at arms length my
screen takes up more of my visual field than my 65" TV across the
room!  There is just something about that that makes me smile...

Probably the same smile you get after you panic because you think you
forgot your laptop,  and then realize it is on your shoulder...

> Before I forget: I lied.  I doublechecked the #s and my X40 is really
> 2.7 lbs.  Srry...  won't let it happen again ; )

Thank goodness for competition and market analysiswe both get
laptops that we are really happy with, and that work well for us!

Anyway my advice to people is to figure out what your needs are and
buy the best laptop you can afford that comes as close to those needs
as possible.  Bigger is not always better.  Neither is smaller.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] limewire won't start

2006-03-29 Thread Ryan Tandy


Uwe Thiem wrote:
You really have to watch etc-update and decide what it should overwrite and what 
you prefer to edit yourself.

Not etc-update, env-update.
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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On 3/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > How soon do you think we'll see laptops with the Dual Core Turion64?
>
> Summer.  Got to have them out in time for back-to-school purchasing, right?
>
> >
> > Elsewhere (perhaps on this list on a different topic) someone
> > recommended not buying anything except for 64 bits (either AMD or Intel)
> > from now on. Do you agree, in particular regarding laptops?
>
> No, but others are going to disagree with me!
>
> Nobody is currently producing laptops that can have over 4G of memory
> (in fact, 2G is the max today in a laptop).  And for my AMD desktop at

www.alienware.com  I beg to differ.  I could have sworn I saw a laptop
with more than 2G...  where was it... wow!  You appear to be right! 
Darn.. I could have SWORN I saw something with > 2G...

> home, I don't see much difference between 64 and 32-bit programs.  The
> programs I am most interested in running fast are compression,
> encryption, media encoding, and the like...standard desktop type uses.

There is a big difference.  You most likely aren't running with
software compiled for 64-bit, or software that wasn't designed to take
advantage of 64-bit, rather targeting 32-bit and just praying the
compiler helps with the 64-bit part.  It gets a bit technical, but
there is a big difference between something made from the ground up as
64-bit versus something that was made 32-bit and just recompiled
64-bit.

>  Some things are slightly faster in 32-bit, some things are slightly
> faster in 64-bit, but neither mode seems to have a definitive
> advantage.

Yes, with the unfairness of the compiler, that is true.  It's a lot
like if you had a car that could go 200MPH.  Your driver may only hit
80MPH (the 32-bit code on a 64-bit chip), but then you get a driver
trained for 200MPH driving, and then he actually hits 200MPH (the
64-bit code).

It's like the good data in good data out / bad data in bad data out theory.

> So unless and until you require more memory or specific applications,
> I don't think you need to worry about 64-bit.

Well, I think we must include bragging rights into our deliberation. 
That's a major part of it, too.  Even though some people may never use
more than a whole MHz of their PC, they still like to brag ; )

PS: I'm not one of them.  If there were a law against computer abuse,
I'd be locked up for life - It pains me to see a CPU idling.

> -Richard
>
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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On 3/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How soon do you think we'll see laptops with the Dual Core Turion64?

Summer.  Got to have them out in time for back-to-school purchasing, right?

>
> Elsewhere (perhaps on this list on a different topic) someone
> recommended not buying anything except for 64 bits (either AMD or Intel)
> from now on. Do you agree, in particular regarding laptops?

No, but others are going to disagree with me!

Nobody is currently producing laptops that can have over 4G of memory
(in fact, 2G is the max today in a laptop).  And for my AMD desktop at
home, I don't see much difference between 64 and 32-bit programs.  The
programs I am most interested in running fast are compression,
encryption, media encoding, and the like...standard desktop type uses.
 Some things are slightly faster in 32-bit, some things are slightly
faster in 64-bit, but neither mode seems to have a definitive
advantage.

So unless and until you require more memory or specific applications,
I don't think you need to worry about 64-bit.

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RE: [gentoo-user] Why is portage trying to pull in xorg when I don't use it...

> -Original Message-
> From: Philip Webb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:07 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Why is portage trying to pull in 
> xorg when I don't use it...
> 
> 060329 Daevid Vincent wrote:
> > I have a VMWare that I use for LAMP development.
> > I have never put Xorg on it nor do I ever want X windows on it.
> > Recently, when I do an 'emerge -Davut world', I see this:
> -- snip --
> > [ebuild U ] www-client/links-2.1_pre20 [2.1_pre19] -X 
> -directfb -fbcon
> > +gpm -javascript +jpeg -livecd +png +sdl +ssl -svga +tiff 
> -unicode 3,768 kB 
> -- snip --
> > [ebuild  N] x11-terms/xterm-207  -Xaw3d -doc -toolbar 
> +truetype -unicode
> > 727 kB 
> > What is trying to bring in all those NEW x11 packages?
> > How can I prevent this annoyance? 
> 
> It's clearer if you do 'emerge -etp links', which requires 
> all the GUI stuff

OMG! 'links' pulls in _92_ package dependencies?! That's silly.

What confuses me even more now, is that AFAIK, "links" is (according to the
man page) "lynx-like alternative character mode WWW browser", so why then
all the x11 dependencies and such. Shouldn't this thing, by definition, just
work in console mode without all that extra crap? 

I "solved" this by adding this to /etc/portage/package.use:

www-client/links -X -directfb -fbcon gpm -javascript -jpeg -livecd -png -sdl
ssl -svga -tiff -unicode

But what seems silly to me is that why does this have jpeg, png, tiff
support if it's in console mode? Will "links" actually SHOW an image? I've
NEVER seen it do that (on any other linux box, even with X support)

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Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel

On 3/29/06, Bo Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday 29 March 2006 21:58, Lord Sauron wrote:
> > Okay, here's where I've isolated the problem to.  This might be a
> > rather lengthy explanation, so make sure you have about 15 minutes on
> > your hands before diving in.  However, the explanation shouldn't take
> > long - I've never actually compiled/installed/used a kernel before.
> > Okay, enough apologising in advance: down to business.
> >
> > I know that it correctly compiles the kernel.  I put a new name for
> > the new kernel (test1) to try and ID it as it floats about all the
> > other kernels I'm too scared to delete.
> >
> > # make install
> >
> > Sticks it into /boot.  /boot now reads
> >
> > System.mapconfig.old
> > System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1   grub
> > System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old
> > initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1
> >kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5
> > System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old  lost+found
> > System.map.oldvmlinuz
> > boot  vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1
> > configvmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old
> > config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1   vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1
> > config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old   vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old
> > config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1  vmlinuz.old
> > config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old
> >
> > Not terribly exciting.  However, I went to /boot/grub/menu.lst and it
> > reads as such:
> >
> > localhost boot # cat ./grub/menu.lst
> > default 0
> > timeout 7
> > splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
> > title=Gentoo Linux
> > root (hd0,0)
> > kernel  /kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 root=/dev/ram0
> > init=/linuxrc ramdisk=8192 real_root=/dev/hda3
> > initrd /initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5
> >
> > The most concerning part is the last three lines.  For any kernel, it
> > appears to demand the kernel itself.  If you'll refer back to # ls
> > /boot then you'll notice that kernel-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1 isn't
> > there.
>
> Sure it is. It's vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1 and make install even made a
> symlink to it: vmlinuz.

So that's what it's all about...  Okay, that makes sense now.

> If you type ls -l /boot/vmlinuz it should give something that end on:
> /boot/vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1
>
> > Nor is the initrd.
>
> If you don't use genkernel you don't actually need an initrd. If you want one
> you have to enable it. I can't tell you how since I don't use it myself.

Okay.  So there are two ways of making kernels, and one of them is
with Genkernel and I'm not using that so I don't need to worry, right?

> > I don't know where they might be, or if
> > they're not there then how to generate them.
>
> Try adding the following to /boot/grub/menu.lst:
>
> title Gentoo Linux test1
> root (hd0,0)
> kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3
>
> This will create a new menu item in Grub during start up. If you want this
> kernel to be selected by default you either add above the genkernel menu item
> shown above or change the default to 1. After default you can add a fallback
> line and set it to another kernel than the default.
>
> This is a part of my menu.lst:
> 
> # Boot automatically after 30 secs.
> timeout 5
>
> # By default, boot the first entry.
> default 0
>
> # Fallback to the second entry.
> fallback 1
>
> # Reboot 5 seconds after a kernel panic
> panic=5
>
> # Nice splash image for grub :)
> splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
>
> title  Gentoo Linux
> root (hd0,1)
> kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 video=vesafb-tng:[EMAIL PROTECTED],mtrr,ywrap
> splash=silent,theme:livecd-2006.0 quiet 
> CONSOLE=/dev/tty1
> initrd /fbsplash-livecd-2006.0-1400x1050
>
> title  Gentoo Linux (Old)
> root (hd0,1)
> kernel /vmlinuz.old root=/dev/hda6 video=vesafb-tng:[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED],mtrr,ywrap
> splash=verbose,theme:livecd-2006.0 quiet 
> CONSOLE=/dev/tty1
> initrd /boot/fbsplash-livecd-2006.0-1024x768
> 
>
> The indented lines are on the end of the kernel line above them. My initrd's
> are create by splashutils and have nothing to do with compiling the kernel.
> If they are removed it boots just as well just without the livecd-2006 theme.
>
> > If I can find out those two things then I should be able to test my
> > new kernel and see if it actually worked.
> >
> > On 3/28/06, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:51:11 +0200, Bo Andresen wrote:
> > > > > Sorry, what does YMMV mean?
> > > >
> > > > Those are the resources that I use for that kind of questions:
> > > >
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YMMV
> > > > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ymmv
> > >
> > > You can also emerge wtf.
> >
> > I assume wtf will tell me

Re: [gentoo-user] Why is portage trying to pull in xorg when I don't use it...

2006-03-29 Thread Bo Andresen

On Thursday 30 March 2006 00:09, Daevid Vincent wrote:
> I have a VMWare that I use for LAMP development. I have never put Xorg on
> it, nor do I ever want X windows on it. Recently, when I do an 'emerge
> -Davut world', I see this:
> -
> vmware ~ # emerge -Davtu world
>
> These are the packages that I would merge, in reverse order:
>
> Calculating world dependencies
> !!! Packages for the following atoms are either all
> !!! masked or don't exist:
> sys-apps/fileutils sys-apps/textutils sys-apps/sh-utils

Seems you have fileutils, textutils and sh-utils in your world file though 
they are not part of portage. Are you using them? If you don't then perhaps 
unmerge them..

That is, however, uncorrelated to the problem below.

> ...done!
> [ebuild U ] net-fs/samba-3.0.21b [3.0.14a-r2] +acl -async -automount
> -cups -doc -examples -kerberos -ldap -ldapsam -libclamav +mysql -oav +pam
> -postgres +python -quotas +readline (-selinux) -swat -syslog -winbind -xml
> +xml2 17,143 kB
> [ebuild U ] www-client/links-2.1_pre20 [2.1_pre19] -X -directfb -fbcon
> +gpm -javascript +jpeg -livecd +png +sdl +ssl -svga +tiff -unicode 3,768 kB
> [ebuild  N]  media-libs/libsdl-1.2.8-r1  -X -aalib -alsa -arts -dga
> -directfb -esd -fbcon -ggi -libcaca -nas -noaudio -noflagstrip -nojoystick
> -novideo +opengl +oss -pic -svga -xinerama +xv 2,541 kB
   ^^^
When opengl is requested links depends on virtual/opengl which is provided by 
x11-base/xorg-x11 given that the opengl use flag is enabled for that too...

So just add -opengl to your use flags.

> [ebuild  N]   media-libs/audiofile-0.2.6-r1  365 kB
> [ebuild  N] x11-terms/xterm-207  -Xaw3d -doc -toolbar +truetype
> -unicode 727 kB
> [nomerge  ]  sys-apps/utempter-0.5.5.6
> [ebuild  N]   x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6  -3dfx -3dnow +bitmap-fonts
> -cjk -debug -dlloader -dmx -doc -font-server -insecure-drivers -ipv6
> -minimal -mmx -nls -nocxx +opengl +pam -sdk -sse -static +truetype-fonts
> +type1-fonts (-uclibc) -xprint +xv 44,705 kB

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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On 3/29/06, Mike Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are you sure that it was a Pentium M and not a Pentium4-M or just the

It's ID is a Pentium-M Ultra-Low Voltage 1.0GHz Processor.  It's
basically whatever you'll find in the IBM X40 type 2386-1CU.  My
serial # is KV-AC277.  Proud owner of a IBM.  It's built like a rock -
I love it.  It's survived my backpack.  Isn't that amazing?  It's the
first device in recorded history to do that!

> p4s?  There is a signicant difference.  With all the benchmarks I've
> seen, the Pentium Ms beat all the other processors in terms of power
> consumption and heat and in a lot of cases, performance.  it even
> outdoes the P4s and the FX series amds.  Tomshardware even has

Turions are really good, though I'm not totally certain of the
veracity of the testers.  Things also vary from test to test, so it's
totally possible that what I have now is cooler and less-power-hungry
than a Turion.  However, start comparing the ratio of heat to speed
and power to speed, and the Turion slaughters the Pentium Ms.

> benchmarks claiming such a thing (which is odd since they're usually
> anti-intel).  It is after all, a souped up P3 which allows it to have a
> faster clock speed than the p4s even when running with fewer ghz.

I have one.  They suck for doing number crunching.  I have an
Athlon64.  It kicks total butt.  The Turion64 is really just a scaled
down Athlon64.  The new Turion64 X2s are just scaled down Athlon64
X2s.  AMD just takes a bit longer to make their dual-core stuff
because they load it up with all kinds of goodies that make it go
faster without clocking it up.
--
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GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+
L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+
V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+
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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On 3/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Always interesting discussions on this list.
>
> I have two questions for everyone (not just the person I'm responding
> to):
>
> How soon do you think we'll see laptops with the Dual Core Turion64?

AMD says the release will be within 4 months or so.  I'd expect it
within 5-6 months, to see them in enough places to really call them
"avaliable."

> Elsewhere (perhaps on this list on a different topic) someone
> recommended not buying anything except for 64 bits (either AMD or Intel)
> from now on. Do you agree, in particular regarding laptops?

Not entirely.  Having a 64-bit machine does give some major bonuses. 
Reliable sources (guys I know who do a lot of benchmarking) tell me
that a 64-bit chip will perform ~10% faster than a non-64-bit chip. 
However, 64-bit chips in laptops aren't that common yet.

If you're like me, you'll buy a 32-bit laptop just because it's
cheaper.  However, if you do stuff that would make a 64-bit chip
necessary (MatLab, for instance, runs *much* faster in a 64-bit
enviornent) then by all means shell out the extra money and get it.  I
evangalise the greatness of AMD64 technology a lot, but I will NOT
tell you to waste your money.  If you don't need the speed, DON'T BUY
IT!  Free enterprise is based on the idea that consumers will buy the
best product or the product they need.  Buy what you need.  If you
need a 17" screen, buy it.  If you (like me) can't live without
ultra-portability, buy it.  If you can't live without either...  flip
a coin : )

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GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+
L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+
V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+
DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y
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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On 3/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/29/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You have no idea what portable is.  One month on a 3.7lb. 12.1 inch
> > X40 and you'll never go back - even if you wanted to!
>
> Well, everybody has different needs/tastes.  Frankly, I wouldn't even
> want to _touch_ something with a 12.1in screen.  ;->

That's just you - and as I said, there are a few exceptions.  However,
for most users, 17" isn't necessary, wouldn't you agree?

> Portability is not my primary concern.  Nor is battery life.  Reading
> and responding to email on the road is not something I need to do
> frequently, or when I do, I can wait until I get to the hotel or the
> conference room.  I have never even had a desire to pull out a laptop
> on a plane...heck, I don't even bother with an ipod or pda usually.

Yeah, however, I see all these people buy a cheap laptop from Dell and
expect it to run stuff like Doom 3.  They end up hating their laptop
because it's slow, heavy, and by running D3 they kiss whatever was
left of their poor battery goodbye.

> My big issue is screen resolution; I need a very high resolution
> screen for viewing technical schematics with good scope and readable
> fonts.  I was working with a visitor recently who constantly had me
> print out schematics because he could not read them on his laptop or
> the available desktop without zooming in so far that he couldn't see
> the overall diagram.  On my 17" screen at 1920x1200 though, neither of
> us had any problems with the display.

That's you and what you do.  A guy who does finances at Safeway corp.
hq doesn't need the equivalent of Bill Gate's mansion in screen real
estate.  You do.

> The _minimum_ I can work with is about 1400x1050 (1680x1050 in a wide format).

Great for you.  However, if you got a laptop for non-work use
(personal, communications, mobile DVD viewing, &c) would you rather
get the massive 9 pound thing you use at work, or a nice small 14"
portable?

When you get the 17", you're buying for necessity.  Go smaller if you
can afford it.  You can't ATM.  There's nothing wrong with that.

> > Just a word of the wise from many experienced laptop users:
>
> Does using a laptop for 12-14 hours/day every day for the last 3 years
> count as 'experienced'? ;->  Including international travel?

Yeah, experienced in your area of expertise and how it relates to
laptop buying decisions.  Different people have different patterns of
mobile use.  ~90% of the people I know need to use their laptop on the
go.  They're the people my advice is aimed at.

> > world's strongest man would still have to admit that 13 pounds isn't a
> > good idea.
>
> No argument there...9lb + case + power supply is more than most people
> would want or need to deal with.  But there is no sub-5lb laptop
> available today that can meet my display needs.

Yeah...  Lenovo, to give them credit, came really close.  15.1" in
their Z60t at only 4lbs.

Before I forget: I lied.  I doublechecked the #s and my X40 is really
2.7 lbs.  Srry...  won't let it happen again ; )

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GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+
L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+
V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+
DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y
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Re: [gentoo-user] Aborting due to QA concerns

2006-03-29 Thread Jason Stubbs

On Thursday 30 March 2006 02:17, JimD wrote:
> I did an emerge -vb gnome and I am almost finished.  However I am now
> getting this weird error from gnome-netstatus:
> 
> What makes portage issue an "Aborting due to QA concerns"

103 files installed in 
/var/tmp/portage/gnome-netstatus-2.12.0/image///var/tmp/portage/gnome-netstatus-2.12.0/image/

If you look at that path /var/tmp/portage/gnome-netstatus-2.12.0/image/ is
duplicated which means the final directory that portage would install to
would be the directory it's installing from.

This is a bug that needs reporting (if hasn't been already).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Why is portage trying to pull in xorg when I don't use it...

2006-03-29 Thread Philip Webb

060329 Daevid Vincent wrote:
> I have a VMWare that I use for LAMP development.
> I have never put Xorg on it nor do I ever want X windows on it.
> Recently, when I do an 'emerge -Davut world', I see this:
-- snip --
> [ebuild U ] www-client/links-2.1_pre20 [2.1_pre19] -X -directfb -fbcon
> +gpm -javascript +jpeg -livecd +png +sdl +ssl -svga +tiff -unicode 3,768 kB 
-- snip --
> [ebuild  N] x11-terms/xterm-207  -Xaw3d -doc -toolbar +truetype -unicode
> 727 kB 
> What is trying to bring in all those NEW x11 packages?
> How can I prevent this annoyance? 

It's clearer if you do 'emerge -etp links', which requires all the GUI stuff:
'emerge -C links && emerge lynx' should solve your problem.

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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

2006-03-29 Thread michael

Always interesting discussions on this list.

I have two questions for everyone (not just the person I'm responding
to):

How soon do you think we'll see laptops with the Dual Core Turion64?

Elsewhere (perhaps on this list on a different topic) someone
recommended not buying anything except for 64 bits (either AMD or Intel)
from now on. Do you agree, in particular regarding laptops?

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Mike Myers wrote:

Are you sure that it was a Pentium M and not a Pentium4-M or just the p4s?
There is a signicant difference. With all the benchmarks I've seen, the
Pentium Ms beat all the other processors in terms of power consumption and
heat and in a lot of cases, performance. it even outdoes the P4s and the FX
series amds. Tomshardware even has benchmarks claiming such a thing (which
is odd since they're usually anti-intel). It is after all, a souped up P3
which allows it to have a faster clock speed than the p4s even when running
with fewer ghz.

Lord Sauron wrote:

http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=4611686018425155337&storeId=1001&langId=-1&categoryId=2059153&dualCurrId=173&catalogId=-840

That's the cheapest X60 with Core Duo. HOWEVER:

I'd still highly recommend a AMD Turion. Well... I'd even more
strongly suggest just waiting, all you prospective laptop buyers. A
Dual Core Turion64 is coming *very* soon. The Turion64s murdered the
Pentium M processors in not just speed but power efficiency. My
Athlon1400 could kill a Pentium 4 2.4GHz any time. My Athlon64 can
destroy the fastest non-dual core Pentium 4 (extreme editions exempted
- I don't know anyone with one to compare the performance with). Acer
makes good laptops with AMD chips.

Just for laughs, Intel just released a new Pentium4 Ext.Ed. (Dual
core, 955) to counter the FX-60 from AMD. PC World tested the chip...
the FX-60 was ~30% faster while being about $30 cheaper.

Okay, I'll stop evangelising AMD now. Thanks for listening (it makes
me feel somewhat important).

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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

2006-03-29 Thread Mike Myers

Are you sure that it was a Pentium M and not a Pentium4-M or just the
p4s? There is a signicant difference. With all the benchmarks I've
seen, the Pentium Ms beat all the other processors in terms of power
consumption and heat and in a lot of cases, performance. it even
outdoes the P4s and the FX series amds. Tomshardware even has
benchmarks claiming such a thing (which is odd since they're usually
anti-intel). It is after all, a souped up P3 which allows it to have a
faster clock speed than the p4s even when running with fewer ghz.

Lord Sauron wrote:

http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=4611686018425155337&storeId=1001&langId=-1&categoryId=2059153&dualCurrId=173&catalogId=-840

That's the cheapest X60 with Core Duo. HOWEVER:

Just for laughs, Intel just released a new Pentium4 Ext.Ed. (Dual
core, 955) to counter the FX-60 from AMD. PC World tested the chip...
the FX-60 was ~30% faster while being about $30 cheaper.

Okay, I'll stop evangelising AMD now. Thanks for listening (it makes
me feel somewhat important).

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[gentoo-user] Why is portage trying to pull in xorg when I don't use it...

I have a VMWare that I use for LAMP development. I have never put Xorg on
it, nor do I ever want X windows on it. Recently, when I do an 'emerge
-Davut world', I see this:
-
vmware ~ # emerge -Davtu world

These are the packages that I would merge, in reverse order:

Calculating world dependencies   
!!! Packages for the following atoms are either all
!!! masked or don't exist:
sys-apps/fileutils sys-apps/textutils sys-apps/sh-utils
 
...done!
[ebuild U ] net-fs/samba-3.0.21b [3.0.14a-r2] +acl -async -automount
-cups -doc -examples -kerberos -ldap -ldapsam -libclamav +mysql -oav +pam
-postgres +python -quotas +readline (-selinux) -swat -syslog -winbind -xml
+xml2 17,143 kB 
[ebuild U ] www-client/links-2.1_pre20 [2.1_pre19] -X -directfb -fbcon
+gpm -javascript +jpeg -livecd +png +sdl +ssl -svga +tiff -unicode 3,768 kB 
[ebuild  N]  media-libs/libsdl-1.2.8-r1  -X -aalib -alsa -arts -dga
-directfb -esd -fbcon -ggi -libcaca -nas -noaudio -noflagstrip -nojoystick
-novideo +opengl +oss -pic -svga -xinerama +xv 2,541 kB 
[ebuild  N]   media-libs/audiofile-0.2.6-r1  365 kB 
[ebuild  N] x11-terms/xterm-207  -Xaw3d -doc -toolbar +truetype -unicode
727 kB 
[nomerge  ]  sys-apps/utempter-0.5.5.6  
[ebuild  N]   x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6  -3dfx -3dnow +bitmap-fonts
-cjk -debug -dlloader -dmx -doc -font-server -insecure-drivers -ipv6
-minimal -mmx -nls -nocxx +opengl +pam -sdk -sse -static +truetype-fonts
+type1-fonts (-uclibc) -xprint +xv 44,705 kB 
[ebuild  N]media-libs/fontconfig-2.2.3  732 kB 
[ebuild  N]x11-base/opengl-update-3.0.0  0 kB 
[ebuild  N] app-admin/eselect-opengl-1.0.3  41 kB 
[ebuild  N]x11-apps/ttmkfdir-3.0.9-r3  19 kB 
[nomerge  ] sys-libs/libcap-1.10-r5  -nocxx +python -static 
[nomerge  ]  dev-lang/swig-1.3.21  -X* -doc -guile -java +perl +php
+python +ruby* -tcltk 
[ebuild U ]   dev-lang/php-5.1.2 [5.1.1] -adabas -apache +apache2
-bcmath -berkdb -birdstep +bzip2 -calendar -cdb +cgi -cjk +cli +crypt +ctype
-curl -curlwrappers -db2 -dbase -dbmaker -debug -discard-path -doc -empress
-empress-bcs -esoob -exif -fastbuild -fdftk -filepro -firebird -flatfile
-force-cgi-redirect -frontbase -ftp +gd -gd-external +gdbm -gmp -hardenedphp
-hash -hyperwave-api -iconv -imap -informix -inifile -interbase -iodbc -ipv6
-java-external -kerberos -ldap -libedit -mcve -memlimit +mhash -ming -msql
-mssql +mysql -mysqli +ncurses -nls -oci8 -oci8-instant-client -odbc -pcntl
+pcre -pdo -pdo-external -pic -posix -postgres -qdbm +readline -recode
-reflection -sapdb -sasl +session -sharedext -sharedmem +simplexml -snmp
+soap -sockets -solid +spell -spl +sqlite +ssl -sybase -sybase-ct -sysvipc
-threads -tidy -tokenizer +truetype -vm-goto -vm-switch -wddx +xml
-xmlreader -xmlrpc -xmlwriter -xpm +xsl -yaz -zip +zlib 6,178 kB 
[ebuild U ]media-libs/libpng-1.2.8-r1 [1.2.8] -doc 375 kB 
[nomerge  ] sys-apps/most-4.9.5  
[ebuild U ]  sys-libs/slang-1.4.9-r2 [1.4.9-r1] -cjk -unicode 628 kB 

Total size of downloads: 77,229 kB

Do you want me to merge these packages? [Yes/No] 
-

What is trying to bring in all those NEW x11 packages? How can I prevent
this annoyance? 

And what am I supposed to do with this information:

!!! Packages for the following atoms are either all
!!! masked or don't exist:
sys-apps/fileutils sys-apps/textutils sys-apps/sh-utils

Am I supposed to remove those packages? 
Ignore this message?
'esearch'ing for them turns up nothing.


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Re: [gentoo-user] What program produces message like these?

2006-03-29 Thread Vladimir G. Ivanovic





Many thanks for the hints. It looks like I (accidentally) had driver debugging turned on. I'm recompiling my kernel to see if that fixes my problem.

--- Vladimir

On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 10:34 -0700, Richard Fish wrote:


On 3/29/06, Vladimir G. Ivanovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> CLASS: registering class device: ID = 'vcs7'
> class_uevent - name = vcs7
> class_device_create_uevent called for vcs7
> CLASS: registering class device: ID = 'vcsa7'
> class_uevent - name = vcsa7
> class_device_create_uevent called for vcsa7
>
> And, more importantly, how do I get rid of them? They fill up my kernel
> ring buffer, and I can't see boot-time messages from the kernel.

AFAIK if they are showing up in dmesg output, they are coming from the
kernel.  Looks like you enabled DEBUG in your kernel:

# cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.1 && grep -r class_device_create_uevent .
./drivers/base/class.c:static int class_device_create_uevent(struct
class_device *class_dev,

# less drivers/base/class.c
...
pr_debug("%s called for %s\n", __FUNCTION__, class_dev->class_id);
...

# grep -r pr_debug . | grep "define"
...
./include/linux/kernel.h:#define pr_debug(fmt,arg...) \
...

# less include/linux/kernel.h
...
#ifdef DEBUG
#define pr_debug(fmt,arg...) \
printk(KERN_DEBUG fmt,##arg)
...

But the boot-time messages should be saved in /var/log/dmesg.

-Richard







Vladimir G. Ivanovic
Palo Alto, CA 94306
+1 650 678 8014

[gentoo-user] Modular Xorg 7 won't start with nVidia GeForce4 440 Go

I went to do an 'emerge -Davu world' yesterday, and it forced me to upgrade
to modular xorg7. I followed the directions here, But now X doesn't start.
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/modular-x-howto.xml
-
I'm using this video card on a Dell i8200 notebook 
(kernel 2.6.15-gentoo-r1)
#lspci
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: 
nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go] (rev a3)
-
locutus X11 # startx
xauth:  creating new authority file /root/.serverauth.30003

X Window System Version 7.0.0
Release Date: 21 December 2005
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.0
Build Operating System:Linux 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 i686
Current Operating System: Linux locutus.daevid.com 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 #1
PREEMPT Tue Feb 21 18:44:25 PST 2006 i686
Build Date: 28 March 2006
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed Mar 29 13:49:35 2006
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"

   *** If unresolved symbols were reported above, they might not
   *** be the reason for the server aborting.

Backtrace:
0: X(xf86SigHandler+0x87) [0x80d5168]
1: [0xe420]
2: X(main+0x2e4) [0x806ff2e]
3: /lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xda) [0xb7cf609a]
4: X(FontFileCompleteXLFD+0x85) [0x806f4e1]

Fatal server error:
Caught signal 11.  Server aborting

XIO:  fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0"
  after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
-
I tried this:

locutus X11 # Xorg -configure
_XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for inet6
_XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/locutus.daevid.com:0
_XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for inet6

X Window System Version 7.0.0
Release Date: 21 December 2005
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.0
Build Operating System:Linux 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 i686
Current Operating System: Linux locutus.daevid.com 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 #1
PREEMPT Tue Feb 21 18:44:25 PST 2006 i686
Build Date: 28 March 2006
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Tue Mar 28 23:23:57 2006
List of video drivers:
nvidia
fbdev
vesa
(++) Using config file: "/root/xorg.conf.new"


Xorg is not able to detect your mouse.
Edit the file and correct the Device.

Your xorg.conf file is /root/xorg.conf.new

To test the server, run 'X -config /root/xorg.conf.new'
-
So then when I run that:

locutus X11 # X -config /root/xorg.conf.new
_XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for inet6
_XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/locutus.daevid.com:0
_XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for inet6

X Window System Version 7.0.0
Release Date: 21 December 2005
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.0
Build Operating System:Linux 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 i686
Current Operating System: Linux locutus.daevid.com 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 #1
PREEMPT Tue Feb 21 18:44:25 PST 2006 i686
Build Date: 28 March 2006
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Tue Mar 28 23:24:14 2006
(++) Using config file: "/root/xorg.conf.new"

   *** If unresolved symbols were reported above, they might not
   *** be the reason for the server aborting.

Backtrace:
0: X(xf86SigHandler+0x87) [0x80d5168]
1: [0xe420]
2: X(main+0x2e4) [0x806ff2e]
3: /lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xda) [0xb7cb509a]
4: X(FontFileCompleteXLFD+0x85) [0x806f4e1]

Fatal server error:
Caught signal 11.  Server aborting

Aborted
-
I tried to re-emerge the drivers:
media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.6629-r5 [1.0.8178-r3] 0 kB 
media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.6629-r7 [1.0.8178-r1] 0 kB 

And when those didn't work, I tried the newer drivers:
media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.8178-r3  0 kB 
media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8178-r1  USE="-dlloader" 0 kB 

On a semi-

Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel

2006-03-29 Thread Bo Andresen

On Wednesday 29 March 2006 21:58, Lord Sauron wrote:
> Okay, here's where I've isolated the problem to.  This might be a
> rather lengthy explanation, so make sure you have about 15 minutes on
> your hands before diving in.  However, the explanation shouldn't take
> long - I've never actually compiled/installed/used a kernel before.
> Okay, enough apologising in advance: down to business.
>
> I know that it correctly compiles the kernel.  I put a new name for
> the new kernel (test1) to try and ID it as it floats about all the
> other kernels I'm too scared to delete.
>
> # make install
>
> Sticks it into /boot.  /boot now reads
>
> System.mapconfig.old
> System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1   grub
> System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old  
> initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1  
>kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5
> System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old  lost+found
> System.map.oldvmlinuz
> boot  vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1
> configvmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old
> config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1   vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1
> config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old   vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old
> config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1  vmlinuz.old
> config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old
>
> Not terribly exciting.  However, I went to /boot/grub/menu.lst and it
> reads as such:
>
> localhost boot # cat ./grub/menu.lst
> default 0
> timeout 7
> splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
> title=Gentoo Linux
> root (hd0,0)
> kernel  /kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 root=/dev/ram0
> init=/linuxrc ramdisk=8192 real_root=/dev/hda3
> initrd /initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5
>
> The most concerning part is the last three lines.  For any kernel, it
> appears to demand the kernel itself.  If you'll refer back to # ls
> /boot then you'll notice that kernel-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1 isn't
> there. 

Sure it is. It's vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1 and make install even made a 
symlink to it: vmlinuz.

If you type ls -l /boot/vmlinuz it should give something that end on:
/boot/vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1

> Nor is the initrd. 

If you don't use genkernel you don't actually need an initrd. If you want one 
you have to enable it. I can't tell you how since I don't use it myself.

> I don't know where they might be, or if  
> they're not there then how to generate them.

Try adding the following to /boot/grub/menu.lst:

title Gentoo Linux test1
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3

This will create a new menu item in Grub during start up. If you want this 
kernel to be selected by default you either add above the genkernel menu item 
shown above or change the default to 1. After default you can add a fallback 
line and set it to another kernel than the default.

This is a part of my menu.lst:

# Boot automatically after 30 secs.
timeout 5

# By default, boot the first entry.
default 0

# Fallback to the second entry.
fallback 1

# Reboot 5 seconds after a kernel panic
panic=5

# Nice splash image for grub :)
splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/splash.xpm.gz

title  Gentoo Linux
root (hd0,1)
kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 video=vesafb-tng:[EMAIL PROTECTED],mtrr,ywrap
splash=silent,theme:livecd-2006.0 quiet 
CONSOLE=/dev/tty1
initrd /fbsplash-livecd-2006.0-1400x1050

title  Gentoo Linux (Old)
root (hd0,1)
kernel /vmlinuz.old root=/dev/hda6 video=vesafb-tng:[EMAIL PROTECTED],mtrr,ywrap
splash=verbose,theme:livecd-2006.0 quiet 
CONSOLE=/dev/tty1
initrd /boot/fbsplash-livecd-2006.0-1024x768


The indented lines are on the end of the kernel line above them. My initrd's 
are create by splashutils and have nothing to do with compiling the kernel. 
If they are removed it boots just as well just without the livecd-2006 theme.

> If I can find out those two things then I should be able to test my
> new kernel and see if it actually worked.
>
> On 3/28/06, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:51:11 +0200, Bo Andresen wrote:
> > > > Sorry, what does YMMV mean?
> > >
> > > Those are the resources that I use for that kind of questions:
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YMMV
> > > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ymmv
> >
> > You can also emerge wtf.
>
> I assume wtf will tell me what wtf stands for...  is the last letter
> representative of a forbidden word, by any chance?

Of course ;) :

$ wtf wtf
WTF: {what,when,where,who,why} the fuck

> > $ wtf ymmv
> > YMMV: your mileage may vary
> >

Yeah, it's just that the wiki and sometimes the urban dictionary are often 
more detailed. :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Which GhostScript to use?

2006-03-29 Thread Joseph

On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 01:16 +0400, Andrew Gaydenko wrote:
> Joseph,
> 
> Do you use generic GDI driver with 'ghostscript-gnu'? You see, a rendering 
> isn't
> the only goal. I'd like my printer to work too :-)
> 
> 
> Andrew

How, do I find out?
I've experience very ugly fonts when I saved PFD file from OpenOffice
2.0 so I switched to "gnu" version and the problem was solved?
It prints just fine, never noticed any difference.

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Re: [gentoo-user] GorillaTrades Tutorial

Mark Knecht schreef:
> Hi, I wonder if anyone else has this problem. The tutorial at this
> page starts and I get audio, but I don't get any video or slides.
> 
> Config problem here or Linux multimedia issue?
> 
> http://www.gorillatrades.com/tutorial/#
> 
> Thanks, Mark
> 
Like JimD, I also was able to view as much of the tutorial as I could
stand (the narrator's voice was pretty annoying to me) without problems.

Unlike JimD, though, I do have gentoo-installed flash:


Shockwave Flash

Bestandsnaam: libflashplayer.so
Shockwave Flash 7.0 r63

MIME-type   BeschrijvingAchtervoegsels  Actief
application/x-shockwave-flash   Shockwave Flash swf Ja
application/futuresplashFutureSplash Player spl Ja

eix netscape-flash
* net-www/netscape-flash
 Available versions:  6.0.79 6.0.81 7.0.25 7.0.61 7.0.63
 Installed:   7.0.63
 Homepage:http://www.macromedia.com/
 Description: Macromedia Shockwave Flash Player

 eix mozilla-firefox
* www-client/mozilla-firefox
 Available versions:  1.0.7-r4 ~1.5-r9 ~1.5-r11 ~1.5.0.1-r2 ~1.5.0.1-r3
 Installed:   1.5.0.1-r3
 Homepage:http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/
 Description: Firefox Web Browser


So, sorry, don't know what to tell you, Mark, but hopefully this
information is in some way useful.

Holly



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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Which GhostScript to use?

2006-03-29 Thread Andrew Gaydenko

Joseph,

Do you use generic GDI driver with 'ghostscript-gnu'? You see, a rendering isn't
the only goal. I'd like my printer to work too :-)


Andrew

=== On Thursday 30 March 2006 01:03, Joseph wrote: ===
I had problem with "esp" as well, but ghostscript-gnu works OK

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Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel

Lord Sauron schreef:
> Okay, here's where I've isolated the problem to. 

.>
> I know that it correctly compiles the kernel.  I put a new name for
> the new kernel (test1) to try and ID it 

> # make install
> 
> Sticks it into /boot.  /boot now reads
> 
> System.mapconfig.old
> System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1   grub
> System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old   initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5
> System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1  kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5
> System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old  lost+found
> System.map.oldvmlinuz
> boot  vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1
> configvmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old
> config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1  v mlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1
> config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old   vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old
> config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1  vmlinuz.old
> config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old
> 
> Not terribly exciting.  However, I went to /boot/grub/menu.lst and it
> reads as such:
> 
> localhost boot # cat ./grub/menu.lst
> default 0
> timeout 7
> splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
> title=Gentoo Linux
> root (hd0,0)
> kernel  /kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 root=/dev/ram0
> init=/linuxrc ramdisk=8192 real_root=/dev/hda3
> initrd /initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5
> 
> The most concerning part is the last three lines.  For any kernel, it
> appears to demand the kernel itself.  If you'll refer back to # ls
> /boot then you'll notice that kernel-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1 isn't
> there.  


 Yes it is:

vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1

>Nor is the initrd.  I don't know where they might be, or if
> they're not there then how to generate them.

No, the initrd isn't there; you apparently made your previous kernel
with genkernel, which creates an initrd, and you further do not have
splashutils installed (which would/can also make an initrd to contain
the bootsplash images).

Manual kernel installation using 'make install' copies the bzImage (the
kernel itself) to /boot/, and names it
vmlinuz-kernel.version-extra_version_if_used.

Make install also copies the "helpful but not strictly necessary"
.config and system.map files to /boot/ adding the version to the end to
distinguish it from other supplemental files for other kernels, and
creates two symlinks to the current and newly-installed kernel:

vmlinuz -- links to the newly installed kernel

vmlinuz.old -- links to the current kernel that the newly-installed
kernel is replacing.

Similar symlinks are also created for the .config and system.map files
for the respective kernels.

What this means is that you can just tell grub that the first item on
the list should load 'vmlinuz' (which is going to be a link to the most
recently installed kernel), and the second entry should load vmlinuz.old
(which is a link to the previous kernel to the most newly installed, in
case of problems). If you have even more old kernels, they can always be
listed by the full kernel version.

In any case, it seems to me that you basically need to create a new
entry for the test kernel; just copy the current entry, paste it above
the other one, then delete the following relevant portions:

1. Change 'kernel  /kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 root=/dev/ram0'

to read kernel  /vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 (not sure about the 'root= part;
/dev/ram0 seems a bit weird to me but perhaps this is in some way
functional for your particular setup. I have no experience with
genkernel, which this setting looks like to me, but maybe somebody can
confirm that. If it is from genkernel, root= should be the partition of
the root filesystem, on my system, this setting is root=/dev/hda5)

2. delete everything else, apparently. I can see that most of the
entry is generated by/related to genkernel.

Here, for reference is my grub entry for my manually compiled kernels
(never used genkernel, as I said):

# grub.conf generated by anaconda
#
# Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file
# NOTICE:  You have a /boot partition.  This means that
#  all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg.
#  root (hd0,1)
#  kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/hda5
#  initrd /initrd-version.img
#boot=/dev/hda
default=0
timeout=10
splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/grub-livecd2.xpm.gz

title Gentoo_current (2.6.15-gentoo-r7mga)
root (hd0,1)
kernel /vmlinuz ro quiet root=/dev/hda5
video=matroxfb:vesa:0x11B,depth:32 splash=silent,theme:livecd-2005.1
CONSOLE=/dev/tty1

title Gentoo_prev (2.6.15-gentoo-r7)
root (hd0,1)
kernel /vmlinuz.old ro root=/dev/hda5
video=matroxfb:vesa:0x11B:ywrap,pmipal,mtrr:3,[EMAIL PROTECTED]
splash=verbose,theme:emergence quiet CONSOLE=/dev/tty1

title Failsafe_current
root (hd0,1)
kernel /vmlinuz ro root=/dev/hda5
video=vesafb:ywrap,pmipal,mtrr:3,[EMAIL PROTECTED] emergency

If you ignore all the video= settin

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Which GhostScript to use?

2006-03-29 Thread Joseph

I had problem with "esp" as well, but ghostscript-gnu works OK

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On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 23:45 +0400, Andrew Gaydenko wrote:
> I have found (at least) three alternatives in the portage:
> 
> app-text/ghostscript-gnu
> app-text/ghostscript-esp
> app-text/ghostscript-afpl
> 
> Now, I have 'esp' installed. The problem is, some 'ps' files causes errors
> like 
> 
> "Error: /configurationerror
>  in --setpagedevice--
> 
> Additional information: [/Duplex true]
> ..."
> 
> Has anybody arguments to switch to 'gnu' or 'afpl' version? BTW, I use
> 'gdi' printer driver for CUPS.
> 
> 
> Andrew

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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On 3/29/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd still highly recommend a AMD Turion.  Well...  I'd even more
> strongly suggest just waiting, all you prospective laptop buyers.

I didn't wait, but I am guessing my e1705 will be going to a family
member in about a year so I can buy a dual-core turion laptop...

/me goes to get 3rd mortgage to pay for more gadgets...

-Richard

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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On 3/29/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You have no idea what portable is.  One month on a 3.7lb. 12.1 inch
> X40 and you'll never go back - even if you wanted to!

Well, everybody has different needs/tastes.  Frankly, I wouldn't even
want to _touch_ something with a 12.1in screen.  ;->

Portability is not my primary concern.  Nor is battery life.  Reading
and responding to email on the road is not something I need to do
frequently, or when I do, I can wait until I get to the hotel or the
conference room.  I have never even had a desire to pull out a laptop
on a plane...heck, I don't even bother with an ipod or pda usually.

My big issue is screen resolution; I need a very high resolution
screen for viewing technical schematics with good scope and readable
fonts.  I was working with a visitor recently who constantly had me
print out schematics because he could not read them on his laptop or
the available desktop without zooming in so far that he couldn't see
the overall diagram.  On my 17" screen at 1920x1200 though, neither of
us had any problems with the display.

The _minimum_ I can work with is about 1400x1050 (1680x1050 in a wide format).

> Just a word of the wise from many experienced laptop users:

Does using a laptop for 12-14 hours/day every day for the last 3 years
count as 'experienced'? ;->  Including international travel?

> world's strongest man would still have to admit that 13 pounds isn't a
> good idea.

No argument there...9lb + case + power supply is more than most people
would want or need to deal with.  But there is no sub-5lb laptop
available today that can meet my display needs.

-Richard

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[gentoo-user] Re: What program produces message like these?

Vladimir G. Ivanovic  comcast.net> writes:

> And, more importantly, how do I get rid of them? They fill up my kernel
> ring buffer, and I can't see boot-time messages from the kernel.

Here's a trick I use in root's /root/.bashrc
just for such issues:

 alias dmesg='dmesg -s 264000 | less'

the trick is to set the size to a larger limit than
you want. I through mine into less, but, you do 
not have to do this.

hth,

James

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: NVI and word wrap?


James wrote:

I appreciate your sharing this tidbit. I looked at:

http://www.bostic.com/vi/

and saw what they said are advantages. What do you believe are the 
advantages of Nvi?


just curious,
  
BTW .. I used the following which fixed the wordwrap to 78 in an 80 
column field.


TIN_VI_OPTIONS="set wm=2 co=80"
alias tin='EDITOR="/usr/bin/vi" EXINIT="${TIN_VI_OPTIONS}" /usr/bin/tin'


The advantage that I see is that NVI acts just like VI, which is what I have 
learned.  I don't like trying to learn things differently if I don't need to.  
NVI is just like what I am used to on FreeBSD and others.

Also, it is BSD licensed, which I like.


Tom Veldhouse

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[gentoo-user] Re: NVI and word wrap?

Thomas T. Veldhouse  veldy.net> writes:


> > Does anybody know how to get NVI to word wrap in a similar manner to 
> > VIM?  With VIM, I could use:

> > vim -f '+set tw=78' and it would wrap at 78 characters at a word 
> > boundry (great for emails and posts to USENET).
> >
> Well, it seems nobody was able to help me out, but I did find a solution 
> that works very well, if anybody is interested.  I simply put the 
> following lines in my .bashrc and now my lines wrap at 78 characters 
> (considered "correct" for USENET), assuming the console is 80 characters 
> (I may have to fix this).
> 
> TIN_VI_OPTIONS="set wm=2"
> alias tin='EDITOR="/usr/bin/vi" EXINIT="${TIN_VI_OPTIONS}" /usr/bin/tin'
> 
> It took a lot of manpage reading to figure this little tidbit out.  It 
> wasn't entirely clear to me that options are passed via an environment 
> variable.  With VIM, you can pass them via the -f switch.

I appreciate your sharing this tidbit. I looked at:

http://www.bostic.com/vi/

and saw what they said are advantages. What do you believe are the 
advantages of Nvi?

just curious,

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Re: [gentoo-user] New To Gentoo and Emerge, No ACPI in Kernel

Okay, here's where I've isolated the problem to.  This might be a
rather lengthy explanation, so make sure you have about 15 minutes on
your hands before diving in.  However, the explanation shouldn't take
long - I've never actually compiled/installed/used a kernel before. 
Okay, enough apologising in advance: down to business.

I know that it correctly compiles the kernel.  I put a new name for
the new kernel (test1) to try and ID it as it floats about all the
other kernels I'm too scared to delete.

# make install

Sticks it into /boot.  /boot now reads

System.mapconfig.old
System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1   grub
System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old   initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5
System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1  kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5
System.map-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old  lost+found
System.map.oldvmlinuz
boot  vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1
configvmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old
config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1   vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1
config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1.old   vmlinuz-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old
config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1  vmlinuz.old
config-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1.old

Not terribly exciting.  However, I went to /boot/grub/menu.lst and it
reads as such:

localhost boot # cat ./grub/menu.lst
default 0
timeout 7
splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
title=Gentoo Linux
root (hd0,0)
kernel  /kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5 root=/dev/ram0
init=/linuxrc ramdisk=8192 real_root=/dev/hda3
initrd /initramfs-genkernel-x86-2.6.15-gentoo-r5

The most concerning part is the last three lines.  For any kernel, it
appears to demand the kernel itself.  If you'll refer back to # ls
/boot then you'll notice that kernel-2.6.15-gentoo-r1test1 isn't
there.  Nor is the initrd.  I don't know where they might be, or if
they're not there then how to generate them.

If I can find out those two things then I should be able to test my
new kernel and see if it actually worked.

On 3/28/06, Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:51:11 +0200, Bo Andresen wrote:
>
> > > Sorry, what does YMMV mean?
> >
> > Those are the resources that I use for that kind of questions:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YMMV
> > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ymmv
>
> You can also emerge wtf.

I assume wtf will tell me what wtf stands for...  is the last letter
representative of a forbidden word, by any chance?

> $ wtf ymmv
> YMMV: your mileage may vary
>
>
> --
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>
> Interchangeable parts aren't.

What was your first clue?

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc upgrade, should it upgrade?

2006-03-29 Thread Teresa and Dale

Holly Bostick wrote:

>
>>(other) Funny thing is, last I heard, you were planning to mask the
>>"upgrade" versions of GCC. If you did that, of /course/ you are no
>>longer offered upgrades, since that's the point of masking (to mark a
>>package as "unavailable to be installed on this computer").
>>
>>gcc-3.4.5-r1 is the most recent stable; current unstable (~x86) is
>>3.4.6, 4.0 is masked (hard-masked), so you wouldn't see it anyway.
>>
>>So I'm guessing you are running stable only, and masked the most recent
>>stable version explicitly (3.4.5-r1)? If you masked only that version in
>>/etc/portage/package.mask, like so
>>
>>=sys-devel/gcc-3.4.5-r1
>>
>>you won't see an offer to update until 3.4.6 goes stable; if you masked
>>all versions above your current version, as in
>>
>>| > =sys-devel/gcc-3.4.5-r1
>>
>>you won't see an offer to update ever, until you adjust the mask.
>>Although when 4.0 makes it into the tree, it might use a different slot,
>>so that might make you an offer.
>>
>>But as far as I know, 3.4.5-r1 is still alive and kicking in the tree.
>>
>>Holly
>>
>>

Well, I didn't get around to changing anything in the mask file so
either it did it and I forgot it or some ghost came in and took care of
it for me.  ;-)  I guess since it was a minor update it won't matter anyway.

Nice to hear from you again though Holly.  Take Care.

Dale
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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=4611686018425155337&storeId=1001&langId=-1&categoryId=2059153&dualCurrId=173&catalogId=-840

That's the cheapest X60 with Core Duo.  HOWEVER:

I'd still highly recommend a AMD Turion.  Well...  I'd even more
strongly suggest just waiting, all you prospective laptop buyers.  A
Dual Core Turion64 is coming *very* soon.  The Turion64s murdered the
Pentium M processors in not just speed but power efficiency.  My
Athlon1400 could kill a Pentium 4 2.4GHz any time.  My Athlon64 can
destroy the fastest non-dual core Pentium 4 (extreme editions exempted
- I don't know anyone with one to compare the performance with).  Acer
makes good laptops with AMD chips.

Just for laughs, Intel just released a new Pentium4 Ext.Ed. (Dual
core, 955) to counter the FX-60 from AMD.  PC World tested the chip...
 the FX-60 was ~30% faster while being about $30 cheaper.

Okay, I'll stop evangelising AMD now.  Thanks for listening (it makes
me feel somewhat important).

On 3/29/06, Lord Sauron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 3/29/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hmm.. seems to me, you do like your laptops big and heavy and bulky. :-)
> > > IIRC, you had a P4 chip in your last laptop? (was that you?)
> >
> > Yep, except that 'luggable' incurred severe lid cracking last summer
> > and I had to replace it.  So I purchased a 2.1Ghz P-M 6lb notebook to
> > use for about 6 months until the first Core Duo came available.  That
> > was a nice notebook, even with a 15.4" screen, I found it to be very
> > portable.
>
> You have no idea what portable is.  One month on a 3.7lb. 12.1 inch
> X40 and you'll never go back - even if you wanted to!
>
> > This is my first notebook with a 17" screen, which I really do
> > like...except when I have to carry it! That's why I call it a
> > 'luggable'. ;->
>
> Just a word of the wise from many experienced laptop users:
>
> If you want to take it with you, less than 5 pounds is a requirement.
> You may say you're strong, and I believe you.  However, even the
> world's strongest man would still have to admit that 13 pounds isn't a
> good idea.
>
> Plus, think of it this way:
>
> There are exceptions to the road-warrior lighter-is-better rule, of
> course, but not many.  If you *need* the power, why not just
> SSH/RDesktop into a bigger, much more expensive desktop and leave your
> poor laptop battery alone?  That's what I do.  I have the tiny IBM
> X40: not very fast.  But then check out my desktop rig: AMD Athlon64
> 3000+ 2.0GHz Socket 754 1.0GHz FSB w/Hypertransport, 512Megs of RAM,
> 10,000RPM WD SATA150 Raptor (76GB, I'm not rich enough for the new
> 150GB) and a killer nVidia GeForce 6800 AGP 8x w/512MB of GDDR2 video
> RAM (embedded OpenGL 1.5/DirectX9 processing).
>
> It's my baby - I raised it from just a little Athon K6 900MHz!  I
> built it myself out of a hulking abandoned server case.  When I get
> home, do I crunch numbers on the X40?  No.  I use it for what it's
> good for: email, office work, y'know, editing stuff.  Compile on the
> big machine and you're home free.
>
> --
> == GCv3.12 ==
> GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+
> L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+
> V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+
> DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y
> = END GCv3.12 
>


--
== GCv3.12 ==
GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+
L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+
V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+
DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y
= END GCv3.12 

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Re: [gentoo-user] NVI and word wrap?


Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
Does anybody know how to get NVI to word wrap in a similar manner to 
VIM?  With VIM, I could use:


vim -f '+set tw=78' and it would wrap at 78 characters at a word 
boundry (great for emails and posts to USENET).


Well, it seems nobody was able to help me out, but I did find a solution 
that works very well, if anybody is interested.  I simply put the 
following lines in my .bashrc and now my lines wrap at 78 characters 
(considered "correct" for USENET), assuming the console is 80 characters 
(I may have to fix this).


TIN_VI_OPTIONS="set wm=2"
alias tin='EDITOR="/usr/bin/vi" EXINIT="${TIN_VI_OPTIONS}" /usr/bin/tin'

It took a lot of manpage reading to figure this little tidbit out.  It 
wasn't entirely clear to me that options are passed via an environment 
variable.  With VIM, you can pass them via the -f switch.


Tom Veldhouse

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[gentoo-user] [OT] Which GhostScript to use?

2006-03-29 Thread Andrew Gaydenko

I have found (at least) three alternatives in the portage:

app-text/ghostscript-gnu
app-text/ghostscript-esp
app-text/ghostscript-afpl

Now, I have 'esp' installed. The problem is, some 'ps' files causes errors
like 

"Error: /configurationerror
 in --setpagedevice--

Additional information: [/Duplex true]
..."

Has anybody arguments to switch to 'gnu' or 'afpl' version? BTW, I use
'gdi' printer driver for CUPS.


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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On 3/29/06, Richard Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/29/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hmm.. seems to me, you do like your laptops big and heavy and bulky. :-)
> > IIRC, you had a P4 chip in your last laptop? (was that you?)
>
> Yep, except that 'luggable' incurred severe lid cracking last summer
> and I had to replace it.  So I purchased a 2.1Ghz P-M 6lb notebook to
> use for about 6 months until the first Core Duo came available.  That
> was a nice notebook, even with a 15.4" screen, I found it to be very
> portable.

You have no idea what portable is.  One month on a 3.7lb. 12.1 inch
X40 and you'll never go back - even if you wanted to!

> This is my first notebook with a 17" screen, which I really do
> like...except when I have to carry it! That's why I call it a
> 'luggable'. ;->

Just a word of the wise from many experienced laptop users:

If you want to take it with you, less than 5 pounds is a requirement. 
You may say you're strong, and I believe you.  However, even the
world's strongest man would still have to admit that 13 pounds isn't a
good idea.

Plus, think of it this way:

There are exceptions to the road-warrior lighter-is-better rule, of
course, but not many.  If you *need* the power, why not just
SSH/RDesktop into a bigger, much more expensive desktop and leave your
poor laptop battery alone?  That's what I do.  I have the tiny IBM
X40: not very fast.  But then check out my desktop rig: AMD Athlon64
3000+ 2.0GHz Socket 754 1.0GHz FSB w/Hypertransport, 512Megs of RAM,
10,000RPM WD SATA150 Raptor (76GB, I'm not rich enough for the new
150GB) and a killer nVidia GeForce 6800 AGP 8x w/512MB of GDDR2 video
RAM (embedded OpenGL 1.5/DirectX9 processing).

It's my baby - I raised it from just a little Athon K6 900MHz!  I
built it myself out of a hulking abandoned server case.  When I get
home, do I crunch numbers on the X40?  No.  I use it for what it's
good for: email, office work, y'know, editing stuff.  Compile on the
big machine and you're home free.

--
== GCv3.12 ==
GCS d-(++) s+: a? C++ UL+> P+
L++ E--- W+(+++) N++ o? K? w--- O? M+
V? PS- PE+ Y-(--) PGP- t+++ 5? X R tv-- b+
DI+++ D+ G e* h- !r !y
= END GCv3.12 

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Re: [gentoo-user] GorillaTrades Tutorial

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:41:22 -0800
"Mark Knecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks Jim - I'll look at my config on this end.
> 
> What do you have for Firefox flags?

www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.1-r3
USE="gnome xprint -debug -ipv6 -java -mozdevelop -xinerama"

> I presume that by Shockwave Flash you mean netscape-flash as an
> emerge?

No.  I did not use the gentoo provided netscape-flash.  If you don't
have flash installed you can go to any page with flash on it and get a
"Click to intall flash" type of thing from Firefox.  I used that method
and flash was installed to my local profile.

Try to emerge -C netscape-flash and then go to the link you posted
earlier and install flash to your profile.  Restart FF and see what you
get.

> Thanks,
> Mark

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Re: [gentoo-user] dhcp problems

2006-03-29 Thread Nick Smith

On 3/16/06, JimD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:21:17 -0500
> "Nick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > i have a new laptop that is giving me fits when i try to get any
> > distro of linux installed.  i was actually able to install gentoo and
> > got it to boot (this is my first amd64 machine) but i cant get it to
> > pull an ip address via dhcp i get this in the syslog:
> >
> > dhcpcd[6038]: dhcpStart: ioctl SIOCSIFFLAGS: Function not implemented
> >
> > i did install dhcpcd on the install so that should be working, and i
> > do have the 8139too driver compiled into the kernel like i normally
> > do.  what am i missing here?
> >
> > thanks for any help
> >
> > Nick
>
> I had similar problems with a new Centrino laptop.  The wireless would
> not work, neither would the regular network port.  I first tried to
> boot with the kernel parameter acpi=off.  This worked for me, however I
> then lost all acpi funtions so I could not use SpeedStep or see how
> much battery life I had.
>
> I kept searchig and found irqpoll as a kernel boot option.  Using that
> fixed my wireless up and allowed me to get my battery status.  I think
> it all had to do with irq sharing and conflicts.
>
> Try booting up with the irqpool kernel boot option or the acpi=off boot
> option and see what you get.
>
> Jim
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>
I have tried both those options, and have even tried just a static ip
address just in case dhcp was messed up, and it still gives me that
"Function not implemented" error message.
I have done 3 different installs of gentoo, recompiled different
modules for the network card etc to no avail.  how is it that it can
work with ubuntu and suse, but i cant get the darned thing to work in
gentoo, the OS i really want on my laptop ;-)

any more ideas?

thanks

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Re: [gentoo-user] limewire won't start

2006-03-29 Thread Uwe Thiem

On 29 March 2006 18:16, maxim wexler wrote:

>
> See my reply to Ryan. Somehow overnight my complete
> path statement returned. I don't remember the last
> time I ran env-update etc. Correct me if I'm wrong,
> but isn't it run automatically after completion of
> emerge . Perhaps this is something I
> should set up in cron, which I have yet to configure
> or use.

No, it doesn't run automatically, and you shouldn't run it from cron. You 
really have to watch etc-update and decide what it should overwrite and what 
you prefer to edit yourself. Think of a shorewall update overwriting all your 
rules, policies and other configuration. Thanks, no!

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] chroot

2006-03-29 Thread Neil Bothwick

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:05:35 -0500, JimD wrote:

> I like that idea.  Though it doesn't always work.  For example, last
> night I did an emerge -vb gnome and woke up to find that it died only
> 30 minutes into the build.  I was expecting to have a full gnome
> desktop today, but I am still building now.

Why not do a Stage 3 install then emerge GRP GNOME packages? You can
have a full desktop system running in around an hour. You can customise
your USE flags and compile to suit once the system is running and in use.

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Re: [gentoo-user] GorillaTrades Tutorial

2006-03-29 Thread Mark Knecht

Thanks Jim - I'll look at my config on this end.

What do you have for Firefox flags?
I presume that by Shockwave Flash you mean netscape-flash as an emerge?

Thanks,
Mark

On 3/29/06, JimD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:26:39 -0800
> "Mark Knecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >I wonder if anyone else has this problem. The tutorial at this page
> > starts and I get audio, but I don't get any video or slides.
> >
> >Config problem here or Linux multimedia issue?
> >
> > http://www.gorillatrades.com/tutorial/#
>
> Everything worked fine over on this end.
>
> I am using:
> Firefox 1.5
> Shockwave Flash 7.0 r25
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Re: [gentoo-user] What program produces message like these?

On 3/29/06, Vladimir G. Ivanovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> CLASS: registering class device: ID = 'vcs7'
> class_uevent - name = vcs7
> class_device_create_uevent called for vcs7
> CLASS: registering class device: ID = 'vcsa7'
> class_uevent - name = vcsa7
> class_device_create_uevent called for vcsa7
>
> And, more importantly, how do I get rid of them? They fill up my kernel
> ring buffer, and I can't see boot-time messages from the kernel.

AFAIK if they are showing up in dmesg output, they are coming from the
kernel.  Looks like you enabled DEBUG in your kernel:

# cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.1 && grep -r class_device_create_uevent .
./drivers/base/class.c:static int class_device_create_uevent(struct
class_device *class_dev,

# less drivers/base/class.c
...
pr_debug("%s called for %s\n", __FUNCTION__, class_dev->class_id);
...

# grep -r pr_debug . | grep "define"
...
./include/linux/kernel.h:#define pr_debug(fmt,arg...) \
...

# less include/linux/kernel.h
...
#ifdef DEBUG
#define pr_debug(fmt,arg...) \
printk(KERN_DEBUG fmt,##arg)
...

But the boot-time messages should be saved in /var/log/dmesg.

-Richard

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[gentoo-user] Re: Further probs/phenomena

Meino Christian Cramer  gmx.de> writes:

>  As I am right at the beginning with my understanding and knowledge
>  about the gentoo system, I would like to know, what this "~86" in
>  /etc/portage/package.keywords does.

Well, I'm not the quintessential gentoo user, but, I'll give
you some simple advise. ~x86 means for the package listed you
are willing to install the testing version of the software.
The 3 flavors of linux software are stable, testing, and unstable
(or under active development).

>  Is it advebtureous to do so, or is it just a good working tuning
>  thing for x86 systems ?

Ah here you leave the ground of objective answers into the realm of the
subjective, as such, I can only give you my opinion. YES. I mostly
rund stable on my sytems and use the files in /etc/portage, when I 
choose to venture out. You could have your entire gentoo system
as ~x86 (testing) as some folks to, and fix the problems. If this is
your first or only gentoo system, having ~x86 for everything is suicide
and will result in your looking for another linux distro. Using ~x86
to gain access to those key software packages, when necessary or
desired, is warranted.

> 
>  Anbother question: Is there a documentation of the _installed_ gentoo
>  system -- not the installing process as such?

on google use searches such as these:

subject +gentoo +wiki +howto  (etc) and you'll find a multitude
of documentation. After you have read, and given a reasonable attempt
to figure things out, and fail, then you post to this list. There
are numerous folks with various skill levels that read this list,
and most try to help, particularly those that have attemmpted self-help
first. Here are a few bookmarks:

http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/use-index.xml
http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_USE_Flags
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Portage_Overlay_Listing
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3
http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Dealing_with_masked_packages

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2&chap=2
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2&chap=1
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Category:Tips
http://clug.net.nz/index.php/GentooTips
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=33534

http://gentoo.linuxhowtos.org/browseportage/browseportage.htm?portagecat=www-apps/trac

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Portage_Correctly

hth,

James

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Re: [gentoo-user] Telephony software

2006-03-29 Thread Gianluca Gargiulo

thank you for help, but i don't refer to VOIP software, but simple
software that drive modem to compose number and use the Audio Card or
Audio Modem as Phone



2006/3/29, Christoph Eckert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > somebody knows any telephony software for Linux?
> > I do not refer to Skype and likes, but any software that can me to
> > call a contact using the 56K modem and headphone-microphone.
>
> there are many, like linphone, IHU, KPhone, WengoPhone and Ekiga.
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
> ce
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE version

2006-03-29 Thread b.n.


How about a crazier idea:

Each package has a stability rating from 0-99 per
architecture.
0 means totally untested/unstable and 99 means rock
solid/no bugs. (0-33~unstable, 34-66~testing,
67-99~stable)
Each new package starts at 50. Whenever a user uses
the package, he can then vote on it by giving +1 or -1
(on the website or through portage). 


Indeed, a crazy idea. Technical issues like stability, which technology to 
use, how to implement a certain functionality, whether a bug is fixed,... can 
not be subject to voting. Period. Someone actually has to look into the 
matter and decide on technical merits. 


Anyway, the idea of a finer granularity for stability branches shouldn't 
be throwed away. The score could be given by developers, following some 
rules (bugs filed vs. time, etc.)


Without using a 0-99 range (it seems too much granular imho), a 0-10 
range could be nice (0-not working / 10-production level rock solid).


Is there already some example of such usage?

m.
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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc upgrade, should it upgrade?

Teresa and Dale schreef> Nagatoro wrote:
>>> 
>> Why don't upgrade? As far as I know upgrading gcc isn't a big deal.
>>  It was just the 3.3.x -> 3.4.x that was due to that the api for
>> c++ had changed.
> 
> Oh, I thought it was a big deal.  That's why I was wanting to wait. 
> Funny thing is, it don't want to upgrade now so maybe it had a bug 
> and they set it back again or something, or I just missed it and 
> upgraded anyway.  ;-)
> 
(other) Funny thing is, last I heard, you were planning to mask the
"upgrade" versions of GCC. If you did that, of /course/ you are no
longer offered upgrades, since that's the point of masking (to mark a
package as "unavailable to be installed on this computer").

gcc-3.4.5-r1 is the most recent stable; current unstable (~x86) is
3.4.6, 4.0 is masked (hard-masked), so you wouldn't see it anyway.

So I'm guessing you are running stable only, and masked the most recent
stable version explicitly (3.4.5-r1)? If you masked only that version in
/etc/portage/package.mask, like so

=sys-devel/gcc-3.4.5-r1

you won't see an offer to update until 3.4.6 goes stable; if you masked
all versions above your current version, as in

| > =sys-devel/gcc-3.4.5-r1

you won't see an offer to update ever, until you adjust the mask.
Although when 4.0 makes it into the tree, it might use a different slot,
so that might make you an offer.

But as far as I know, 3.4.5-r1 is still alive and kicking in the tree.

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] What program produces message like these?


Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:

CLASS: registering class device: ID = 'vcs7'
class_uevent - name = vcs7
class_device_create_uevent called for vcs7
CLASS: registering class device: ID = 'vcsa7'
class_uevent - name = vcsa7
class_device_create_uevent called for vcsa7
USB devices attached?  Perhaps one is flaky and is going on and 
offline?  Do you have usbd or coldplug/hotplug installed?


Tom Veldhouse


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Re: [gentoo-user] GorillaTrades Tutorial

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:26:39 -0800
"Mark Knecht" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
>I wonder if anyone else has this problem. The tutorial at this page
> starts and I get audio, but I don't get any video or slides.
> 
>Config problem here or Linux multimedia issue?
> 
> http://www.gorillatrades.com/tutorial/#

Everything worked fine over on this end.

I am using:
Firefox 1.5
Shockwave Flash 7.0 r25
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[gentoo-user] Aborting due to QA concerns

I did an emerge -vb gnome and I am almost finished.  However I am now
getting this weird error from gnome-netstatus:

What makes portage issue an "Aborting due to QA concerns"


'>>> Completed installing gnome-netstatus-2.12.0
'>>> into /var/tmp/portage/gnome-netstatus-2.12.0/image/

man:
strip: i686-pc-linux-gnu-strip --strip-unneeded
   /usr/libexec/gnome-netstatus-applet
QA Notice: // installed in ${D}/${D}
QA Notice: //var installed in ${D}/${D}
QA Notice: //var/lib installed in ${D}/${D}
QA Notice: //var/lib/scrollkeeper installed in ${D}/${D}
QA Notice: //var/lib/scrollkeeper/C installed in ${D}/${D}


!!! ERROR: net-analyzer/gnome-netstatus-2.12.0 failed.
Call stack:
  misc-functions.sh, line 469:   Called install_qa_check
  misc-functions.sh, line 183:   Called die

!!! Aborting due to QA concerns: 103 files installed
in 
/var/tmp/portage/gnome-netstatus-2.12.0/image///var/tmp/portage/gnome-netstatus-2.12.0/image/
 !!!
If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack
if relevant.

!!! install_qa_check failed; exiting.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo and OpenLDAP

2006-03-29 Thread Leandro Melo de Sales

Are you the kinf of person that hold the information just for you?
Your problem/solution can help other people.

Leandro.

On 3/29/06, Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That won't be necessary, I've already solved it.
>
> 2006/3/27, JimD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:19:55 -0300
> > "Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A little bit OT, a very noobish of me. I'm having trouble with LDAP
> > > filters. I'm still trying to get the hang of it.
> > >
> > > I'd like filter to use on the Apache mod_auth_ldap that returns all
> > > the uids inside a given group. Anyone knows how to do that?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Raphael
> >
> > Start a new thread with a topic like "OT: LDAP Filters" and I can try
> > to give you some direction.
> >
> > Jim
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[gentoo-user] What program produces message like these?

2006-03-29 Thread Vladimir G. Ivanovic

CLASS: registering class device: ID = 'vcs7'
class_uevent - name = vcs7
class_device_create_uevent called for vcs7
CLASS: registering class device: ID = 'vcsa7'
class_uevent - name = vcsa7
class_device_create_uevent called for vcsa7

And, more importantly, how do I get rid of them? They fill up my kernel
ring buffer, and I can't see boot-time messages from the kernel.

I just emerged klogd, and so now I can at least grep
through /var/log/messages for kernel messages ... which is what dmesg is
supposed to be for.

Thanks for any help.

--- Vladimir

Vladimir G. Ivanovic
Palo Alto, CA 94306
+1 650 678 8014

Vladimir G. Ivanovic
Palo Alto, CA 94306
+1 650 678 8014

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Re: [gentoo-user] chroot

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 01:55:43 -0500
"Walter Dnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   That's not necessary.  I regularly...
>   - start off with a basic text-console-only install
>   - and then I fire up "emerge gimp" before heading off to work

I need those apps installed so I can get mail and serve my personal
web site.
 
> By the time I get home from work, Portage has pulled in and built
> the approximately 40 packages necessary to get a basic X GUI running
> with TWM and has built Gimp.  "rpm-hell"... what's that???  Portage
> rocks!!!

I like that idea.  Though it doesn't always work.  For example, last
night I did an emerge -vb gnome and woke up to find that it died only
30 minutes into the build.  I was expecting to have a full gnome
desktop today, but I am still building now.
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[OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On 3/29/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hmm.. seems to me, you do like your laptops big and heavy and bulky. :-)
> IIRC, you had a P4 chip in your last laptop? (was that you?)

Yep, except that 'luggable' incurred severe lid cracking last summer
and I had to replace it.  So I purchased a 2.1Ghz P-M 6lb notebook to
use for about 6 months until the first Core Duo came available.  That
was a nice notebook, even with a 15.4" screen, I found it to be very
portable.

This is my first notebook with a 17" screen, which I really do
like...except when I have to carry it! That's why I call it a
'luggable'. ;->

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Telephony software

2006-03-29 Thread Christoph Eckert


> somebody knows any telephony software for Linux?
> I do not refer to Skype and likes, but any software that can me to
> call a contact using the 56K modem and headphone-microphone.

there are many, like linphone, IHU, KPhone, WengoPhone and Ekiga.


Best regards


ce
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Re: [gentoo-user] file .ogg

2006-03-29 Thread Uwe Thiem

On 29 March 2006 20:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi everybody.
>
> I think gentoo is driving me crazy.
>
> Since I found out the I can listen .wav file but not .ogg file, to-day I
> installed libvorbis, mpeg123 and vorbis-tools.
>
> But the result is the same . . . I cannot listen .ogg file.

Did you also re-compile your favourite audio player after installing those 
libraries?

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE version

2006-03-29 Thread Uwe Thiem

On 29 March 2006 18:12, Schleimer, Ben wrote:
> > Isn't the solution to have  3  levels: 'testing',
> > 'probation' & 'stable' ?
> > 'Testing' would be literally that, asking for
> > feedback from users;
> > 'probation' wb already tested for a defined period
> > -- say  30 days  --
>
> How about a crazier idea:
>
> Each package has a stability rating from 0-99 per
> architecture.
> 0 means totally untested/unstable and 99 means rock
> solid/no bugs. (0-33~unstable, 34-66~testing,
> 67-99~stable)
> Each new package starts at 50. Whenever a user uses
> the package, he can then vote on it by giving +1 or -1
> (on the website or through portage). 

Indeed, a crazy idea. Technical issues like stability, which technology to 
use, how to implement a certain functionality, whether a bug is fixed,... can 
not be subject to voting. Period. Someone actually has to look into the 
matter and decide on technical merits. 

Otherwise we should start a similar voting system on weather. 0 means abosulte 
crap weather, 99 means weather to sire heroes. 0-33: cold, windy, rainy. 
34-66: so lala. 65-99: good weather. Each day start with 50 points at 00:00 
sharp. Then the voting kicks in and we can all witness how the sun brightens 
over time. Except if you live in Namibia with all those farmers voting for 
rain. ;-)

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] file .ogg

2006-03-29 Thread Devon Miller

It's not enough to just have the libraries, the program that you're using to play the file must know about the file type.Eg: for mplayer you need the "vorbis" use flag.dcm
On 3/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi everybody.I think gentoo is driving me crazy.Since I found out the I can listen .wav file but not .ogg file, to-day Iinstalled libvorbis, mpeg123 and vorbis-tools.But the result is the same . . . I cannot listen .ogg file.
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[gentoo-user] NVI and word wrap?

Does anybody know how to get NVI to word wrap in a similar manner to 
VIM?  With VIM, I could use:


vim -f '+set tw=78' and it would wrap at 78 characters at a word boundry 
(great for emails and posts to USENET).


Thanks in advance,

Tom Veldhouse

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Re: [gentoo-user] file .ogg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef:
> Hi everybody.
> 
> I think gentoo is driving me crazy.
> 
> Since I found out the I can listen .wav file but not .ogg file, 
> to-day I installed libvorbis, mpeg123 and vorbis-tools.
> 
> But the result is the same . . . I cannot listen .ogg file.
> 

Hi, Emilio,

What program are you trying to listen to said *.ogg files with? Was that
program emerged with OGG/Vorbis support? An emerge -pv  will
tell you what USE flags are available to the application you're trying
to play the files with, and what support was compiled into it.

HTH,
Holly
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[gentoo-user] GorillaTrades Tutorial

2006-03-29 Thread Mark Knecht

Hi,
   I wonder if anyone else has this problem. The tutorial at this page
starts and I get audio, but I don't get any video or slides.

   Config problem here or Linux multimedia issue?

http://www.gorillatrades.com/tutorial/#

Thanks,
Mark

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Re: [gentoo-user] file .ogg

2006-03-29 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin

On Wednesday 29 March 2006 20:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi everybody.
>
> I think gentoo is driving me crazy.
>
> Since I found out the I can listen .wav file but not .ogg file, to-day I
> installed libvorbis, mpeg123 and vorbis-tools.
>
> But the result is the same . . . I cannot listen .ogg file.

so you did not read up the useflags, did not set them (or vorbis and mpeg123 
would have been installed automatically), and you blame gentoo for doing the 
right thing?

If you don't set the useflags, the packages will not be compiled with the 
support for ogg/mp3. So it is your own fault.

Set the useflags, do an emerge --newuse world and everything will be fine.

For easier useflag-maintanance, install ufed.
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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc upgrade, should it upgrade?

2006-03-29 Thread Teresa and Dale

Nagatoro wrote:

>Neil Bothwick wrote:
>  
>
>>On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:41:14 -0800, Ryan Tandy wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Assuming it's the gcc-3.4.5-r1 update you're considering postponing,
>>>you could just:
>>>
>>># echo '>sys-devel/gcc-3.4.5' >> /etc/portage/package.mask
>>>
>>>and just remove that line when you're ready to upgrade.  It's a *far* 
>>>better idea than trying to modify your profile.
>>>  
>>>
>>echo '=sys-devel/gcc-3.4.5-r1' >> /etc/portage/package.mask is better if you 
>>only want to postpone this upgrade. Your suggestion blocks all future 
>>upgrades.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Why don't upgrade? As far as I know upgrading gcc isn't a big deal. It
>was just the 3.3.x -> 3.4.x that was due to that the api for c++ had
>changed.
>  
>

Oh, I thought it was a big deal.  That's why I was wanting to wait. 
Funny thing is, it don't want to upgrade now so maybe it had a bug and
they set it back again or something, or I just missed it and upgraded
anyway.  ;-)

Dale
:-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] limewire won't start

2006-03-29 Thread maxim wexler



--- Ryan Tandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> maxim wexler wrote:
> >> So we have to get Java back into your path...
> I've
> >> got Sun Java, so mine
> 
> 
> Have you run 'env-update && source /etc/profile'
> recently?  env-update 
> rebuilds your environment (variables like PATH)
> based on what's in 
> /etc/env.d.  java-config and friends don't set env
> variables themselves 
> - they put them in /etc/env.d, and are supposed to
> call env-update as 
> part of their cleanup.  If this didn't happen for
> some reason, running 
> it by hand may help.
> 
> HTH.
> --

See my reply to Ryan. Somehow overnight my complete
path statement returned. I don't remember the last
time I ran env-update etc. Correct me if I'm wrong,
but isn't it run automatically after completion of
emerge . Perhaps this is something I
should set up in cron, which I have yet to configure
or use.
 
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
> 
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[gentoo-user] file .ogg

2006-03-29 Thread contiemilio

Hi everybody.

I think gentoo is driving me crazy.

Since I found out the I can listen .wav file but not .ogg file, to-day I 
installed libvorbis, mpeg123 and vorbis-tools.

But the result is the same . . . I cannot listen .ogg file.

Bye
emilio
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE version

2006-03-29 Thread Schleimer, Ben


> Isn't the solution to have  3  levels: 'testing',
> 'probation' & 'stable' ?
> 'Testing' would be literally that, asking for
> feedback from users;
> 'probation' wb already tested for a defined period
> -- say  30 days  --

How about a crazier idea:

Each package has a stability rating from 0-99 per
architecture. 
0 means totally untested/unstable and 99 means rock
solid/no bugs. (0-33~unstable, 34-66~testing,
67-99~stable)
Each new package starts at 50. Whenever a user uses
the package, he can then vote on it by giving +1 or -1
(on the website or through portage). As a package
gains rating points, more and more users would be
inclined to use it. A user could set the minimum
stability rating that he wanted for all packages or on
a per package basis. 
After the user does an emerge update, the system would
check if an installed package is above the users
minimum. If not, the system informs the user of the
drop and asks if he wants the package to be removed or
not.

Only the maintainer would be able to actually modify
the package itself. Of course, big status changes
would happen soon after a maintainer modifies a
package.

Questions to think about:
1) Should modifications reset the status of a package
to 50?
2) Should a plus/minus vote forward propogate to the
packages that depend on it? Eg. if kdelibs gets a -1
vote, should amarok get a -1 vote too?
3) Should the votes backpropagate instead?

Cheers,
Ben

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complain" - Linus Torvale
In my honest option, it should read - "he who writes the code gets to choose 
his license, and everybody else complains."
 



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Re: [gentoo-user] limewire won't start

2006-03-29 Thread maxim wexler

 > http://mail.yahoo.com 
> >   
> The problem here is that you don't want to hard code
> it into your 
> .bash_profile as that is only local (to that
> specific user).

I'm OK with that.

  you could 
> do it in /etc/profile, but that would only work
> until the next java 
> upgrade...  it looks like you have a java in
> /etc/env.d/java.  what 
> happens if you run java-config (man java-config for
> the syntax).  you 
> can use it to show the view the current jvm/jdk as
> well as set it, which 
> is what we'll want to do if it isn't set.


sarawak heathen # java-config
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/java-config", line 14, in ?
from java_config import jc_options
ImportError: No module named java_config

> 
> also, what is contained in /etc/env.d/20java ?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ cat /etc/env.d/20java
# Autogenerated by java-config
# Command: --set-system-vm=blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02
JDK_HOME=/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02
JAVAC=/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin/javac
PATH="/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/jre/bin"
ROOTPATH="/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/jre/bin"
LDPATH="/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/jre/lib/i386/:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/jre/lib/i386/native_threads/:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/jre/lib/i386/classic/:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/jre/lib/i386/server/"
# VERSION="Blackdown JDK 1.4.2.02"
MANPATH=${MANPATH}:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/man
JAVA_HOME=/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02

> 
> also for giggles, can you put the output of  the
> command "env" here as well?

MANPATH=/usr/local/share/man:/usr/share/man:/usr/share/binutils-data/i686-pc-linux-gnu/2.16.1/man:/usr/share/gcc-data/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.6/man::/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/man:/usr/qt/3/doc/man
HOSTNAME=sarawak
TERM=xterm
SHELL=/bin/bash
WINDOWID=16777230
QTDIR=/usr/qt/3
MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/lib/mozilla
XTERM_SHELL=/bin/bash
USER=heathen
LS_COLORS=no=00:fi=00:di=01;34:ln=01;36:pi=40;33:so=01;35:do=01;35:bd=40;33;01:cd=40;33;01:or=01;05;37;41:mi=01;05;37;41:ex=01;32:*.cmd=01;32:*.exe=01;32:*.com=01;32:*.btm=01;32:*.bat=01;32:*.sh=01;32:*.csh=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31:*.arj=01;31:*.taz=01;31:*.lzh=01;31:*.zip=01;31:*.z=01;31:*.Z=01;31:*.gz=01;31:*.bz2=01;31:*.bz=01;31:*.tbz2=01;31:*.tz=01;31:*.deb=01;31:*.rpm=01;31:*.rar=01;31:*.ace=01;31:*.zoo=01;31:*.cpio=01;31:*.7z=01;31:*.rz=01;31:*.jpg=01;35:*.jpeg=01;35:*.gif=01;35:*.bmp=01;35:*.ppm=01;35:*.tga=01;35:*.xbm=01;35:*.xpm=01;35:*.tif=01;35:*.tiff=01;35:*.png=01;35:*.mng=01;35:*.xcf=01;35:*.pcx=01;35:*.mpg=01;35:*.mpeg=01;35:*.m2v=01;35:*.avi=01;35:*.mkv=01;35:*.ogm=01;35:*.mp4=01;35:*.m4v=01;35:*.mp4v=01;35:*.mov=01;35:*.qt=01;35:*.wmv=01;35:*.asf=01;35:*.rm=01;35:*.rmvb=01;35:*.flc=01;35:*.fli=01;35:*.gl=01;35:*.dl=01;35:*.pdf=00;32:*.ps=00;32:*.txt=00;32:*.patch=00;32:*.diff=00;32:*.log=00;32:*.tex=00;32:*.doc=00;32:*.mp3=00;36:*.wav=00;36:*.mid=00;36
:*.midi=00;36:*.au=00;36:*.ogg=00;36:*.flac=00;36:*.aac=00;36:
GDK_USE_XFT=1
PAGER=/usr/bin/less
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/gconf /etc/terminfo
XINITRC=/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
MAIL=/var/mail/heathen
PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.3.6:/opt/ati/bin:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/jre/bin:/usr/qt/3/bin:/usr/kde/3.4/bin:/opt/limewire
DISTCC_LOG=
PWD=/home/heathen
JAVA_HOME=/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02
EDITOR=/bin/nano
JAVAC=/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin/javac
QMAKESPEC=linux-g++
KDEDIRS=/usr
DISTCC_VERBOSE=0
DCCC_PATH=/usr/lib/distcc/bin
XTERM_VERSION=XTerm(204)
JDK_HOME=/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02
SHLVL=4
HOME=/home/heathen
LESS=-R
PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/portage/pym
LOGNAME=heathen
CVS_RSH=ssh
GCC_SPECS=
CLASSPATH=.
LESSOPEN=|lesspipe.sh %s
INFOPATH=/usr/share/info:/usr/share/binutils-data/i686-pc-linux-gnu/2.16.1/info:/usr/share/gcc-data/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.6/info
DISPLAY=:0.0
OPENGL_PROFILE=xorg-x11
LADSPA_PATH=/usr/lib/ladspa
G_BROKEN_FILENAMES=1
CONFIG_PROTECT=/usr/lib/mozilla/defaults/pref
/usr/lib/X11/xkb /usr/kde/3.4/share/config
/usr/kde/3.4/env /usr/kde/3.4/shutdown
/usr/share/config
XAUTHORITY=/home/heathen/.Xauthority
_=/usr/bin/env

speaking of giggles:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ echo $PATH
/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.3.6:/opt/ati/bin:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/jre/bin:/usr/qt/3/bin:/usr/kde/3.4/bin:/opt/limewire

overnight the elves must have been adding stuff to my
path statement; I sure didn't ;0

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[gentoo-user] Eagle-usb & kernel 2.6.16

2006-03-29 Thread Luca Bortolotti

Hi. I just wanted to know if the eagle-usb module (now apparently called ueagle-atm) is integrated into the kernel and how to use itThanksLuca

Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Core Duo Processor - Anyone?

On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 00:55 -0700, Richard Fish wrote:
> On 3/29/06, Ow Mun Heng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Anyone has one of these Core Duo Processors? How do they perform?
> > Benchmarks I've seen on the web _does_ show that they perform better
> > then a 2G Pentium-M.
> 
> Excellent.  The benchmarks are not lying, and when it comes to
> something like compiling, it is basically twice as fast, except for
> those rare ebuilds that set -j1...

Hm... I've seen one of those. Caused my dual-PII-350 server to crawl
through the compile. Actually, can't believe that for some packages,
compiling on that server actually came up on par, time wise, to my
laptop 1.4Ghz P-Mobile.

> -Richard (proud Dell e1705 owner)
Hmm.. seems to me, you do like your laptops big and heavy and bulky. :-)
IIRC, you had a P4 chip in your last laptop? (was that you?)

The only Core-duo being offered locally in Malaysia is the inspiron
6400.

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