date:20060505


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Monday 01 May 2006 10:50 pm, Alexander Skwar wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sunday 30 April 2006 08:47 am, Alexander Skwar wrote:
 wu chuanwen wrote:
  2006/4/30, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 that is (AFAIK) just a layer below TCP/IP.

Wrong. Besides: just a layer below TCP/IP makes no sense.
TCP/IP is a protocol family. Two of those members are IPv4
and IPv6. Now, what's just a layer below TCP/IP supposed
to mean?


I didn't know.


Aha. If you don't know, why are you then making suggestions?


 I'm not a network programmer.


Me neither. And there's no need to be one.


 I wouldn't
 remove it if I were you.

Why not? Why leave in things, which are not needed and which
are known to possibly cause problems?


For me the Why not? is the part that I can't answer. I don't know what it 
does, therefore I don't mess around with it.


And because of that, you're contradicting?


Furthermore, I have never heard of it causing problems.


Well, you don't read much, do you?


 Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox
 -ProfileManager.

 I don't see how that would help anything.

It would help, if the problem is on his side, caused by bad
settings in his profile. If everything's faster with a blank
profile, he knows for sure, that the problems were caused
by his old profile.


I've never *ever* heard of a profile being corrupted.


Okay, you actually do not read much. I'm rather active in the
german Mozilla newsgroups, and the far majority of problems is
caused by profile issues.

But why are you saying: I don't see how that would help anything.?

 I'd be very surprised 
if that's the case.


I wouldn't be.


Nonetheless, it is a good idea,


Yep.


if a bit debatable


No, not at all. It's the first step. If something's broken, reset it
to a known good state. And that's what a blank profile is.

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Re: [gentoo-user] glibc 2.4 - emere -e world necessary?

2006-05-05 Thread Graham Murray

Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 glibc updates NEVER need a rebuild.

 Only if you change from gcc 3.X to 4.Y you have to rebuild. 

 But not because of a glibc update.

That is not always true. A glibc upgrade *can* require that *some*
packages are re-built. I am not an expert on Elf so this may not be
100% correct. The problem can come from symbol versioning, where the
package is linked against static linked library. If this static
library contains references to symbols in glibc for which the glibc
upgrade has provided a new version, then sometimes both the static
library and applications linking against it need to be rebuilt.
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Monday 01 May 2006 10:57 pm, Alexander Skwar wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sunday 30 April 2006 05:59 am, Alexander Skwar wrote:
 wu chuanwen wrote:



 Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox
 -ProfileManager.

 This is something like the third time you've suggested this.

You counted? :)


Not really.


Aha. Why are you then giving an exact number?


  Please explain
 how this will help.  I'm serious: I don't see how this could help.

My assumption: Problem is caused by bad settings, which includes
extensions or themes. If problem goes away with a new/blank profile,
we know where the problem is.


Yes, I'm just saying that it's highly unlikely that the profile is the 
problem. 


Okay. What's the ground for your reasoning? As I wrote a few
moments ago, my basis is, that I'm quite active in the German
Mozilla newsgroups and thus see how often a blank profile solves
problems.

What about you?


I've never heard of a profile causing a problem in my life.


Well, that's obviously because you don't read much.

 I 
could be wrong,


I wouldn't wonder.


but I'm still skeptical nonetheless.


Why?

You're a very strange person. But that's to be expected by
people with such a cool nickname.

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[gentoo-user] .wmv files

2006-05-05 Thread WillieDaPimp

There are alot of web pages that I've tried to watch video clips on but 
i can't watch them due to the files being in .wmv format. Is there a 
plugin that I can emerge to view these files or maybe even a app that 
converts .wmv to some other linux friendly video file??


D. Tigue
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Monday 01 May 2006 11:03 pm, Alexander Skwar wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Monday 01 May 2006 07:55 am, Justin Patrin wrote:
 On 4/30/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Kesara Rathnayake wrote:
 (I hate HTML mailand I hate Outlook even more.)

 Outlook and Outlook Express are the two worst mail clients in the
 universe.

They are not. Lotus Notes beats them to that.


Ouch.  You sure you want to be handing out a judgement of that magnitude like 
that?


Yes, I am sure. Well, my statement is at least true reg. Notes 5.
I do not know Notes 6 or newer. They might have changed Notes and
made it better.


 It'd take quite a bit to be worse than Outlook.


That's not so hard, as Outlook isn't so bad. No, it's certainly not one
of the better clients, but it's just not the worst MUA on earth.


 They're too slow

Not really.


You must not have used them.


I do. Everyday.


 I have.


I doubt that.


 They are.  End of story.


Yep. End of story. Outlook isn't the worst MUA on earth.


 and bloated to do anything, and they don't accept ANYTHING
 other than MS Exchange server

Wrt. Outlook Express, that's plain wrong. And wrt. Outlook: It's
wrong as well. Outlook CAN interface IMAP servers. But you'll
lose all the benefits of Outlook in this case.


I said that they can't interface with non-MS Exchange servers withour throwing 
a Royal Temper Tantrum.


Yes, that's what you wrote. Whatever you mean with that.


 They do not like POP.


As far as Outlook Express is concerned: You're wrong.


 They like IMAP even less.


Interesting. Please tell that my Outlook, which is using an
(additional) IMAP server just fine.

Plus, of all the HTML-sending mail clients, Outlook is the worst!  It makes 
the biggest, most bloated HTML I've ever seen!


Okay, that's quite possibly true, yes. But, actually, HTML code
quality isn't something I care much about at all

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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Monday 01 May 2006 11:14 pm, Alexander Skwar wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sunday 30 April 2006 11:21 am, Alexander Skwar wrote:
 Kesara Rathnayake wrote:
  I guess Firefox is slow now because of whole lot of Extentions that we
  used today.

 To find out, I asked OP to create a blank profile. I also assume
 a local problem at his side. OP should simply create a new profile
 and report back.

 Alexander Skwar

 PS: I begin to hate Googlemail because of the default to use HTML
 even if it is not required. Sucks. Big time.

 I used the GMail web interface for a long time and it defaulted to plain
 text for me.

This might be correct. However on new accounts, HTML is used.
If you don't believe me, simply create a new account, and you'll
see.


I'm not contending with you there.


Well, but you are contradiciting what I say. So, yes, in a sense,
you ARE contending with me.


 Another thing that sucks, is that HTML mails are permitted on this
 list. Why not just dump the HTML part (and every other attachment)?

 Why not,

Makes mails larger, without adding anything useful (normally).
Further, it makes mails a bit harder to read and harder to
quote.


At this point I'm inclined to think you're using an inferior mail client.


Aha, why's that?


KMail works just fine with HTML.  What are you using?


Thunderbird - as you can see in the header of my mails.


eg. the mail which I quoted: In HTML, it's about 1179 bytes. In
text/plain, it is 729 bytes. And actually, the HTML caused
overhead is even more, as the 2nd MIME part (the HTML part)
caused additional headers to be added. Those are an additional
378 bytes.


Yah, I agree with you that it's unnecessarily wasting space to use HTML.  
That's why I don't use it.  However, I don't think it's right or polite to 
start harrassing people for using it.


Yes, it is. It is, as HTML posters are making other people receive
the HTML junk, even if those receivers do not want that. It's just
plain arrogant and, yes, it is most certainly okay to harras
arrogant egoists.


 if it irks you so much, make a script that will change RTF/HTML to
 Plaintext?

That's not a useful advice. I'd have to accept the (normally)
uselessly bloated mail first and then strip it. Makes no sense.


No, you're not thinking!


Yes, I am.


The mailing list server receives a email in HTML.


That's not what you wrote. You suggested, that I make a script.
This script can only run on a system which I control.


Convert the HTML to plaintext.


And overwrite a text/plain part?

Besides: See why it's arrogant of those HTML users to send mails
in HTML? They are making other people have to think about writing
programs, so that the mails can be converted.

That's not necessary if people would just use text/plain mails.

Alexander Skwar
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Re: [gentoo-user] Waaaaaay [OT] Windoze back-up. Sorry to ask. :-(


Ryan Tandy wrote:

 I haven't used Home myself, so I don't know if they're there 
too.


At least ping and traceroute (tracert) are there as well. I think
nslookup might be there as well.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Waaaaaay [OT] Windoze back-up. Sorry to ask. :-(

2006-05-05 Thread Teresa and Dale

Alexander Skwar wrote:

 Ryan Tandy wrote:

  I haven't used Home myself, so I don't know if they're there too.


 At least ping and traceroute (tracert) are there as well. I think
 nslookup might be there as well.

 Alexander Skwar



This is the home edition and ping was not there before.  I just
reinstalled it, it crashed, I may give it another go.  Maybe this
install has it.

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] .wmv files

2006-05-05 Thread Graham Murray

WillieDaPimp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 There are alot of web pages that I've tried to watch video clips on
 but i can't watch them due to the files being in .wmv format. Is there
 a plugin that I can emerge to view these files or maybe even a app
 that converts .wmv to some other linux friendly video file??

gxine and mplayerplug-in plugins both play .wmv files.
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] ksnapshot delay disabled

2006-05-05 Thread Uwe Thiem

On 05 May 2006 00:00, Andrew Gaydenko wrote:

 Trust me, it makes sense for me :-)

 Just after clicking New Snapshot button, double-cress cursor appears, and
 KSnapshot window intends to disappear, i.e. apps under KSnapshot window
 must _redraw_ themselves. At case redrawing is heavy-CPU-consumption, the
 apps have not time to redraw, and KSnapshot windows is still visible above
 the apps windows, as all graphical activity is locked.

That sounds like a misbehaving application that doesn't do a redraw from a 
buffer. Anyway, there still is no sense in a delay. Your snapshot gets taken 
when you mark the region. So wait until all the redrawing is done. Then mark 
your region. What is the point in a delay?

Uwe

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[gentoo-user] glibc-2.4-r2: Problems with UTF-8 locale

Hello!

Yesterday I updated from glibc-2.4-r1 to glibc-2.4-r2. Since then,
I've got problems with my UTF-8 locale. I suppose, that is because
the UTF-8 denomination seems to have changed from .UTF-8 to .utf8:

[10:17:42 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~] $ locale -a
locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_COLLATE to default locale: No such file or directory
C
POSIX
de_DE
de_DE.utf8
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
en_US
en_US.utf8

Before glibc-2.4-r2, it used to be de_DE.UTF-8 and nto de_DE.utf8.
I'm also concerned about those first 3 error messages reg. LC_CTYP,
LC_MESSAGES and LC_COLLATE.

Now, when I start some program like vncserver (actually: perl), I get:

[10:18:31 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~] $ vncserver -help
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = (unset),
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = de_DE.utf8
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale (C).

usage: vncserver [:number] [-name desktop-name] [-depth depth]
 [-geometry widthxheight]
 [-pixelformat rgbNNN|bgrNNN]
 Xvnc-options...

   vncserver -kill X-display

That's also especially annoying with KDE programs (I normally
use Gnome). There, when I enter a special character like the
German ö, I only see 2 empty blocks: ??  But that seems only
to affect my local display, it's send out just fine. As an example,
please see 
http://groups.google.de/group/de.test/msg/4eacf9dd61807ad2?dmode=source

Well - what to do now?

Thanks,

Alexander Skwar
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

2006-05-05 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse

Hi,

On Fri, 05 May 2006 08:22:29 +0200 Alexander Skwar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Monday 01 May 2006 11:03 pm, Alexander Skwar wrote:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Outlook and Outlook Express are the two worst mail clients in the
   universe.
 
  They are not. Lotus Notes beats them to that.
  
  Ouch.  You sure you want to be handing out a judgement of that
  magnitude like that?
 
 Yes, I am sure. Well, my statement is at least true reg. Notes 5.
 I do not know Notes 6 or newer. They might have changed Notes and
 made it better.

Ahem, not really better. Well, a bit. But judging Notes for its eMail
qualities is like judging MS Word for its abilities as a programmer's
editor. Notes _has_ its worth, too, and has some very interesting
features, namely the configurable database replication to the client.
Especially the offline capabilities are pretty good.

-hwh
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Re: [gentoo-user] .wmv files

2006-05-05 Thread Rafael Fernández López

Try adding USE variable (make.conf) win32codecs and do a emerge -vuD 
--newuse world and see if they work...


Bye !!
Rafael Fernández López.

WillieDaPimp escribió:
There are alot of web pages that I've tried to watch video clips on 
but i can't watch them due to the files being in .wmv format. Is there 
a plugin that I can emerge to view these files or maybe even a app 
that converts .wmv to some other linux friendly video file??


D. Tigue

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[gentoo-user] gentoo servers down?

Hi!

Do other people also experience problems with http://bugs.gentoo.org/
and http://packages.gentoo.org/ right now? The servers react extremely
slow and bgo is only showing me a

À

right now.

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Re: [gentoo-user] glibc-2.4-r2: Problems with UTF-8 locale

2006-05-05 Thread Graham Murray

Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Yesterday I updated from glibc-2.4-r1 to glibc-2.4-r2. Since then,
 I've got problems with my UTF-8 locale. I suppose, that is because
 the UTF-8 denomination seems to have changed from .UTF-8 to .utf8:

I had similar problems, but solved them. In glibc-2.4-r1 and
earlier, because I did not set the userlocales USE flag it built all
of the locales. In 2.4-r2 this use flag has been removed and it only
builds a subset of locales - which did not include en_GB.UTF8 which I
use. So I had to edit /etc/locale.gen to add my locale and then run
locale-gen. After that all worked again.
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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo servers down?

2006-05-05 Thread Norman Rieß

 Hi!

 Do other people also experience problems with http://bugs.gentoo.org/
 and http://packages.gentoo.org/ right now? The servers react extremely
 slow and bgo is only showing me a

   À

 right now.

 Alexander Skwar


Nope. Works nice and fast.


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Re: [gentoo-user] glibc-2.4-r2: Problems with UTF-8 locale

Graham Murray wrote:

 I had similar problems, but solved them. In glibc-2.4-r1 and
 earlier, because I did not set the userlocales USE flag it built all
 of the locales. In 2.4-r2 this use flag has been removed and it only
 builds a subset of locales - which did not include en_GB.UTF8 which I
 use. So I had to edit /etc/locale.gen to add my locale and then run
 locale-gen. After that all worked again.

Ah!

I did NOT have a good locale.gen, but a locales.build. This file was
used when the userlocales flag was set.

Thanks!

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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo servers down?

2006-05-05 Thread Andrew Gaydenko

=== On Friday 05 May 2006 12:49, Alexander Skwar wrote: ===
Hi!

Do other people also experience problems with http://bugs.gentoo.org/
and http://packages.gentoo.org/ right now? The servers react extremely
slow and bgo is only showing me a

À

right now.

Alexander Skwar
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They are fine and quick for me.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Web mail

2006-05-05 Thread Nich Steicke


Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 12:13, Nich Steicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Web mail':
  

modern, i would advise RoundCube - though its main draw back is its
reliance on Java (its written at least in part in AJAX) - i personly



AJAX = Asynchronous Javascript And XML
Javascript != Java

AJAX isn't a language and doesn't have anything to do with Java.

Of course, roundcube might use Java AND AJAX or even use Java to generate 
the Javascript and/or XML parts of AJAX.  But you don't write applications 
in AJAX (as you state), you write them using AJAX and using AJAX doesn't 
automatically add a dependency on Java (as you imply).


  
hehehe - yes i do relise this - and what i beleve that i mee is that the 
down side is it reliance on Javascript... anways...


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[gentoo-user] Re: Best File System For Linux

Hi all, 
First of all I'm sorry for not replying to this thread as I 
was busy with my exams.

Anyway thanks for all your replies, I just want to present the
my file system requirements in more elaborate way. I'll be using many
partitions for different types of files to get maximum performance. As
said earlier it's a Home Desktop System. From what I've read I'll be
using the following file systems..

  /dev/BOOT /boot ext2 noauto,noatime 1 2

No changes to /boot partition I guess..

  /dev/ROOT / reiserfs noatime,notail   0 1

Since ROOT partition hold many small files I guess ReiserFS suits it
best, but the problem is of fragmentation. Turning notail off solves it?

  /dev/SWAP none swap sw 0 0

Here's a fstab entry whose options I don't know at all.. Any options that
can increase the performance.. I'm having 512MB System RAM and my Swap
partition is 2000MB.. I hope RAM to Swap ratio doesn't effect
performance (I've read somewhere that SWAP should be twice the amount
of RAM, I don't remember where)

  /dev/PORTAGE /mnt/portage reiserfs noatime,nodev,nosuid,noexec,notail 0 2

This partition will hold the portage tree (lots of small sized files) so
again ReiserFS, again the fragmentation issue.. Pointers?

  /dev/SRC /mnt/src XXX noatime,nodev,nosuid,noexec,xxx 0 2

This partition will hold the downloaded source code of packages.. I've
not made any decision as to which FS to use.. This partition will hold
files of variable size (100K - 200MB). Which file system to use? And
what options to pass?

  /dev/MUSIC /mnt/music XXX noatime,nodev,nosuid,noexec,xxx 0 2

As name suggest it'll hold all my MP3's/OGG's.. File size averages
around 3-5 MB.. File system and options to use.. I'm thinking bout
ReiserFS.. Am I right?

  /dev/VIDEO /mnt/video xfs noatime,nodev,nosuid,noexec,xxx 0 2

File size of videos varies form 50 - 800 MB.. XFS, as I've read offers
great performance when dealing with large files.. What options to pass to
get max performance?

  /dev/OTHER /mnt/other XXX noatime,nodev,nosuid,noexec,xxx 0 2

This partition will hold e-books (size: 1 - 100 MB), pictures (  1 MB)
and some other stuff ( all less than  5 MB).. File system and options?

  /dev/HOME /home reiserfs noatime,nodev,nosuid,notail 0 2

This is the /home partition, again small files but also e-mails stored
in mbox format.. File size will vary from extremely small to unknown
(courtesy mbox).. Is ReiserFS good for this or should I choose ext3?

  /dev/OPT /opt XXX noatime,nodev,xxx 0 2

This partition holds, as you all know java, and many of my games (DOOM3,
QUAKE4 at present).. The games have large *.PK4 files.. What FS and
options to choose?

  /dev/TMP /tmp ext2 noatime,nodev,nosuid,noexec 0 2

For /tmp partition I think I'll stick with ext2.. Any suggestions?

  /dev/USR /usr reiserfs noatime,nodev,notail 0 2

Variable file size (no idea how much they vary).. ext3 or reiserfs?

  /dev/VAR /var reiserfs noatime,nodev,nosuid,noexec,notail 0 2

Again same dillemma as that of /usr.. I guess it'll hold many small
files (courtesy portage), also some mid sized files (courtesy logs)..
Mail is not a problem here as no mail is stored in this partition..

At present all my partitions have ext3 as their FS (except /boot
and /tmp).. This is how I passed the mke2fs command:

  mke2fs -j -m 1 -O dir_index,filetype,sparse_super /dev/***

What options should I pass to get the max performance in ex3 (other than
the above written), ReiserFS, XFS?

Thanks in Advance and sorry for such a long post,
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
 On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:18, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
 
 
  CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} -fvisibility-inlines-hidden
 
 
 no, just no. This breaks enough stuff. Do not tell others to use it. If you 
 want to use it. Fine. But do not tell anybody else to do it.

According to http://gentoo-wiki.com/CFLAGS_matrix
-fvisibility-inlines-hidden is recommended especially for KDE users..
Atleast while KDE it does not effect and is indeed recommended..

 
 
   MAKEOPTS=
 
  MAKEOPTS=-j2
 
 -j1 is a good one for singlecore/single cpu computer, where the compiling is 
 running in the background. 

No for singlecore/single cpu computer, -j2 is recommended.. Read
MAKEOPTS section in:

  http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=5#doc_chap5

 
 
   ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=
 
 
  Also if you wish add these lines to /etc/make.conf
 
  LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1,-z,now,--sort-common
 
 are you totally sure, that this do not break something? do this flags bring 
 anything, that can not be archived with prelink?
 
 Again, you might want to use them, but you should not tell somebody else to 
 use them.-

Honestly I think I was wrong in recommending this.. But during the
emerge process of some packages there's a suggestion to use at least a 
part of the LDFLAGS quoted above.. It's like a security warning.. I
decided to use these flags after reading a lot about them in Gentoo
forms

 
 
   USE= X a52 aac alsa apache2 acpi arts audiofile avi berkdb bitmap-fonts
   bzip2 cdr cli crypt ctype cups dba eds directfb doc dri dvd dvdread
   elibc_glibc emboss encode esd ethereal exif expat fam fastbuild
   foomaticdb
   force-cgi-redirect fortran ftp gd gcj gdbm gif glut gmp gnome gpm
   gstreamer gtk gtk2 gtkhtml guile hal hardened idn imlib ipv6 jpeg java
   javascript kde kdexdeltas kernel_linux lcms libg++ libwww mad memlimit
   mikmod mhash mng motif mozilla mime mmx mp3 mpeg ncurses nls nptl ogg
   opengl oss pam pcre pdflib perl png posix python qt quicktime readline
   samba sdl session simplexml slang soap sockets spell spl ssl sse sse2 svg
   tcltk tcpd tiff tokenizer truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts usb udev
   userland_GNU vorbis x86 xml xml2 xmms xsl xv zlib
 
  Do you really need all these USE flags and features? I think not.. Add
  USE flags that really are useful not add them just because they might
  become useful sometime.. The more features you have in your packages,
  the slower and more memory hungry they are.. Take a look at my USE
  flags..
 
 you think - but you don't know what he wants and needs.
 
 btw, I would emerge ufed and work down the list

I've never used ufed, but after reading bout it now I think it's better
than manually editing.. Regardless of what way one chooses to select USE
flags I believe one must select the USE flags that are necessary..
The more features you got the more memory bloat it becomes..

 
 
  USE=-X -arts -apache2 -berkdb -cups -dri -eds -esd -gdbm -gnome
  -gstreamer -gtk -gpm -xmms 3dnow acl bash-completion bzip2 fbcon hal lzo
  mbox mmx nsplugin nvidia offensive sse svga tiff urandom
 
  -X because I don't every application to be built with X support, -arts
  because of the same reason.. The applications that i think will need X
  support I add a line like this to /etc/portage/package.use
 
 so you want to break douzends of packages for him? Why? -dri? Maybe he needs 
 it? fbcon? Why? who needs it? You are telling him to deactivate usefull stuff 
 and activate useless? Great!

I didn't recommend this to him.. You have misquoted me.. You missed the
sentence which said Take a look at my USE flags.. These USE flags are
mine and I quoted them just to explain how to edit these files.. I don't
know what his system is so cant recommend the USE flags..

 
 
  VIDEO_CARDS=your video card #like nvidia, ati
 that is not needed anymore. Look into the use descriptions. Or even better, 
 get familiar with ufed.

If you use Xorg-7.0 it is useful.. (Also xine if I remember correctly(?))

 
 
  Remember, always add the minimum USE flags you need to /etc/make.conf,
  you should always tune your system to specific packages by adding USE
  flags to be used for the specific package to /etc/portage/package.use
 
 oh, yeah, increase the work and risk subtle breakage here and there 

There's always a risk when it comes to fine tuning your system that it
may break things.. You've to pay the price experimenting.. If you are
not brave enough the default are good, but performance will not match
the fine tuned machine (Although I'm sure the performance gain is not 
worth the trouble, but the learning experience is worth)

Bye,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Best File System For Linux

On Friday 05 May 2006 12:14, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
 Hi all,
   First of all I'm sorry for not replying to this thread as I
 was busy with my exams.

   Anyway thanks for all your replies, I just want to present the
 my file system requirements in more elaborate way. I'll be using many
 partitions for different types of files to get maximum performance. As
 said earlier it's a Home Desktop System. From what I've read I'll be
 using the following file systems..

   /dev/BOOT /boot ext2 noauto,noatime 1 2

 No changes to /boot partition I guess..

   /dev/ROOT / reiserfs noatime,notail 0 1

 Since ROOT partition hold many small files I guess ReiserFS suits it
 best, but the problem is of fragmentation. Turning notail off solves it?

when you turn of tails, the advantage on small files is lost.
Since you are using a portage-partition, fragmentation should not be an issue. 
(btw, as long as you don't go over 80% full, fragmentation is not really an 
issue).


   /dev/PORTAGE /mnt/portage reiserfs noatime,nodev,nosuid,noexec,notail 0 2

since /usr/portage can be 'killed' and repoplulated after that easiyl 
(mkreiserfs, emerge sync), there is no need for notail too. If it becomes too 
fragmented, just nuke it. There is nothing in /usr/portage, that can not be 
restored with an emerge sync.
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Re: [gentoo-user] glibc 2.4 - emere -e world necessary?

On Friday 05 May 2006 08:12, Graham Murray wrote:
 Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  glibc updates NEVER need a rebuild.
 
  Only if you change from gcc 3.X to 4.Y you have to rebuild.
 
  But not because of a glibc update.

 That is not always true. A glibc upgrade *can* require that *some*
 packages are re-built. I am not an expert on Elf so this may not be
 100% correct. The problem can come from symbol versioning, where the
 package is linked against static linked library. If this static
 library contains references to symbols in glibc for which the glibc
 upgrade has provided a new version, then sometimes both the static
 library and applications linking against it need to be rebuilt.

a problem of a few, static linked apps - most of them are binary anyway - does 
not excuse a whole emerge -e world.

btw, I did lots of glibc updates and never broke anything.
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Re: [gentoo-user] .wmv files

WillieDaPimp wrote:
 There are alot of web pages that I've tried to watch video clips on but i 
 can't watch them due to the 
 files being in .wmv format. Is there a plugin that I can emerge to view these 
 files or maybe even a app 
 that converts .wmv to some other linux friendly video file??
 

Check out the following HOW-TO for playing video's from browsers (like in
Windows)

  http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_mplayerplug-in

For converting from .wmv to other formats I recommend mencoder (it comes
with MPlayer).. Make sure you compile MPlayer with win32codecs USE
flag.. Here's an example to convert movie.wmv to movie.avi (DivX) :

  mencoder movie.wmv -o movie.avi -ovc lavc -oac lavc

For more info about using mencoder read :

  http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mencoder_Introduction_Guide

Remember mencoder can convert any file playable through MPlayer to any
other format recognized by MPlayer.. There are lots of options which you
can read by referring to 'man mencoder'..

Hope this helps,
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

On Friday 05 May 2006 12:42, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:18, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} -fvisibility-inlines-hidden

no, just no. This breaks enough stuff. Do not tell others to use it. If
you want to use it. Fine. But do not tell anybody else to do it.

According to http://gentoo-wiki.com/CFLAGS_matrix
-fvisibility-inlines-hidden is recommended especially for KDE users..
Atleast while KDE it does not effect and is indeed recommended..

and if I remember right, there was some KDE breakage with this flag. No?

gentoo-wiki is not an official gentoo project ;)
And a wiki can be edited by everybody.

http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDbug_status=RESOLVEDbug_status=VERIFIEDbug_status=CLOSEDfield0-0-0=producttype0-0-0=substringvalue0-0-0=fvisibility-inlines-hiddenfield0-0-1=componenttype0-0-1=substringvalue0-0-1=fvisibility-inlines-hiddenfield0-0-2=short_desctype0-0-2=substringvalue0-0-2=fvisibility-inlines-hiddenfield0-0-3=status_whiteboardtype0-0-3=substringvalue0-0-3=fvisibility-inlines-hidden

MAKEOPTS=

MAKEOPTS=-j2

-j1 is a good one for singlecore/single cpu computer, where the compiling
is running in the background.

No for singlecore/single cpu computer, -j2 is recommended.. Read
MAKEOPTS section in:

really? with -j2 my box crawls when compiling, sometimes even oom. With -j1 I
can use it, as if nothing happens and I don't get oom. Plus - it is not
slower.
I have read the sections, I suffered from -j2 and I stopped using it. All
better now.
Btw, since switching between tasks and threads is something CPUs really hate,
I can't even imagine how increasing the amount of needed switches should
help.

Also if you wish add these lines to /etc/make.conf

LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1,-z,now,--sort-common

are you totally sure, that this do not break something? do this flags
bring anything, that can not be archived with prelink?

Again, you might want to use them, but you should not tell somebody else
to use them.-

Honestly I think I was wrong in recommending this.. But during the
emerge process of some packages there's a suggestion to use at least a
part of the LDFLAGS quoted above.. It's like a security warning.. I
decided to use these flags after reading a lot about them in Gentoo
forms

yes, but everything in the forums should be taken with a grain of salt - a lot
of ricers are there. It is safer to look into bugs.gentoo.org ;)

so you want to break douzends of packages for him? Why? -dri? Maybe he
needs it? fbcon? Why? who needs it? You are telling him to deactivate
usefull stuff and activate useless? Great!

I didn't recommend this to him.. You have misquoted me.. You missed the
sentence which said Take a look at my USE flags.. These USE flags are
mine and I quoted them just to explain how to edit these files.. I don't
know what his system is so cant recommend the USE flags..

VIDEO_CARDS=your video card #like nvidia, ati

that is not needed anymore. Look into the use descriptions. Or even
better, get familiar with ufed.

If you use Xorg-7.0 it is useful.. (Also xine if I remember correctly(?))

Remember, always add the minimum USE flags you need to /etc/make.conf,
you should always tune your system to specific packages by adding USE
flags to be used for the specific package to /etc/portage/package.use

oh, yeah, increase the work and risk subtle breakage here and there

There's always a risk when it comes to fine tuning your system that it
may break things.. You've to pay the price experimenting.. If you are
not brave enough the default are good, but performance will not match
the fine tuned machine (Although I'm sure the performance gain is not
worth the trouble, but the learning experience is worth)

an example:
a lot of packages compiled against esd, as soon as it was installed, even with
the -esd useflag.

So one package that had esd as its flags and installed esd, would contaminate
a lof of others. Unmerge esd and suddenly you may have very funny results (or
not so funny). And esd was the harmless example.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
On Friday 05 May 2006 12:42, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:18, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} -fvisibility-inlines-hidden

no, just no. This breaks enough stuff. Do not tell others to use it. If
you want to use it. Fine. But do not tell anybody else to do it.

According to http://gentoo-wiki.com/CFLAGS_matrix
-fvisibility-inlines-hidden is recommended especially for KDE users..
Atleast while KDE it does not effect and is indeed recommended..

and if I remember right, there was some KDE breakage with this flag. No?

gentoo-wiki is not an official gentoo project ;)
And a wiki can be edited by everybody.

Thanks for the pointer.. I take my word back about
-fvisibility-inlines-hidden being a safe option for KDE.

MAKEOPTS=

MAKEOPTS=-j2

-j1 is a good one for singlecore/single cpu computer, where the compiling
is running in the background.

No for singlecore/single cpu computer, -j2 is recommended.. Read
MAKEOPTS section in:

Al least Gentoo Handbook is a official Gentoo project and they recommend
it.. :)

Also if you wish add these lines to /etc/make.conf

LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1,-z,now,--sort-common

are you totally sure, that this do not break something? do this flags
bring anything, that can not be archived with prelink?

Again, you might want to use them, but you should not tell somebody else
to use them.-

yes, but everything in the forums should be taken with a grain of salt - a
lot
of ricers are there. It is safer to look into bugs.gentoo.org ;)

It's true but after doing a bit of research I think they are stable
enough to use.. I don't use all the fancy stuff they post in forums..

(snip)

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[gentoo-user] Re: glibc-2.4-r2: Problems with UTF-8 locale

2006-05-05 Thread Sven Köhler

 Yesterday I updated from glibc-2.4-r1 to glibc-2.4-r2. Since then,
 I've got problems with my UTF-8 locale. I suppose, that is because
 the UTF-8 denomination seems to have changed from .UTF-8 to .utf8:

.UTF-8 changed from .utf8?

That's not true. My glibc 2.3.6 (with userlocales turned off) never
creates such locales.


# equery f glibc|grep -i utf |grep CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/aa_DJ.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/af_ZA.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/an_ES.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ar_AE.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ar_BH.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ar_DZ.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ar_EG.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ar_IQ.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ar_JO.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ar_KW.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ar_LB.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ar_LY.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ar_MA.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ar_OM.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ar_QA.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ar_SA.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ar_SD.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ar_SY.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ar_TN.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ar_YE.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/az_AZ.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/be_BY.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/bg_BG.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/br_FR.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/bs_BA.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/ca_ES.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/cs_CZ.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/cy_GB.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/da_DK.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/de_AT.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/de_BE.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/de_CH.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/de_DE.utf8/LC_CTYPE
/usr/lib/locale/de_LU.utf8/LC_CTYPE
...

I also looked it up on a Redhat-System: no .UTF-8 locales.


What might have been the last glibc-version with UTF-8 locales?
(i don't remember to have seen that over the last few years)



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Re: [gentoo-user] glibc-2.4-r2: Problems with UTF-8 locale

Alexander Skwar wrote:
 Hello!
 
 Yesterday I updated from glibc-2.4-r1 to glibc-2.4-r2. Since then,
 I've got problems with my UTF-8 locale. I suppose, that is because
 the UTF-8 denomination seems to have changed from .UTF-8 to .utf8:
 
 [10:17:42 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~] $ locale -a
 locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
 locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
 locale: Cannot set LC_COLLATE to default locale: No such file or directory
 C
 POSIX
 de_DE
 de_DE.utf8
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 en_US
 en_US.utf8
 
 Before glibc-2.4-r2, it used to be de_DE.UTF-8 and nto de_DE.utf8.

Even when my system was running glibc-2.4-r1 the UTF-8 denomination was
.utf8.. Just now I upgraded to glibc-2.4-r2 the UTF-8 denomination is
still the same i.e., .utf8
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: glibc-2.4-r2: Problems with UTF-8 locale

Sven Köhler wrote:
 (snip)
 
 I also looked it up on a Redhat-System: no .UTF-8 locales.
 
 
 What might have been the last glibc-version with UTF-8 locales?
 (i don't remember to have seen that over the last few years)

I think some .UTF-8 locales were used uptil recently.. I read the Using
UTF-8 with Gentoo

 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/utf-8.xml

and found out that they mentioned .UTF-8 only no mention of .utf8 !!! As
far as I know glibc-2.4 uses .utf8 locales.. No idea when .UTF-8 was
changed to .utf8

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: glibc-2.4-r2: Problems with UTF-8 locale

Sven Köhler wrote:
 Yesterday I updated from glibc-2.4-r1 to glibc-2.4-r2. Since then,
 I've got problems with my UTF-8 locale. I suppose, that is because
 the UTF-8 denomination seems to have changed from .UTF-8 to .utf8:
 
 .UTF-8 changed from .utf8?

Yep.

 That's not true.

Wrong, it is.

 My glibc 2.3.6 (with userlocales turned off) never
 creates such locales.

There's no such flag as userlocales.

 I also looked it up on a Redhat-System: no .UTF-8 locales.

Well.

 What might have been the last glibc-version with UTF-8 locales?

2.3.6-r3 or 2.4-r1

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: glibc-2.4-r2: Problems with UTF-8 locale

Farhan Ahmed wrote:
 Sven Köhler wrote:
 (snip)
 
 I also looked it up on a Redhat-System: no .UTF-8 locales.
 
 
 What might have been the last glibc-version with UTF-8 locales?
 (i don't remember to have seen that over the last few years)
 
 I think some .UTF-8 locales were used uptil recently.

At least de_DE


 I read the Using
 UTF-8 with Gentoo
 
  http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/utf-8.xml
 
 and found out that they mentioned .UTF-8 only no mention of .utf8 !!! As
 far as I know glibc-2.4 uses .utf8 locales.

It now does, yes. It didn't used to.

 No idea when .UTF-8 was
 changed to .utf8

It was changed from 2.4-r1 to -r2 or 2.3.6-r3 to -r4.

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Re: [gentoo-user] glibc-2.4-r2: Problems with UTF-8 locale

Farhan Ahmed wrote:

 Even when my system was running glibc-2.4-r1 the UTF-8 denomination was
 .utf8..

Maybe with -r1, both denominations were correct. That might be true.
But with -r2, only .utf8 is correct.

Or, if .UTF-8 was wrong in -r1, then no application and the glibc
didn't know about this and behaved wrong. This might also be the
case :)

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[gentoo-user] ipw2200 chipset mini wireless card

2006-05-05 Thread William Kenworthy

I have a new sony lappy with a ipw2200 chipset mini wireless card.
Should I be using the in kernel (2.6.16-r3) drivers or the builds in
portage?  Is the a configuration guide for this setup on gentoo?

BillK

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: glibc-2.4-r2: Problems with UTF-8 locale

Alexander Skwar wrote:
 Sven Köhler wrote:
 (snip)
 
  What might have been the last glibc-version with UTF-8 locales?
 
 2.3.6-r3 or 2.4-r1

No. Glibc-2.4-r1 used .utf8 locales.. Just as an example of .utf8 usage
even before glibc-2.4 read this Gentoo Weekly NewsLetter:

  http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20041108-newsletter.xml#doc_chap7

If you read it carefully you can see the Zulu locale for South Africa
being written as zu_ZA.utf8.. Even on my system with 2.4-r1 glibc the
locales were like en_US.utf8 and after upgrading to 2.4-r2 they are
still the same..

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Re: [gentoo-user] ipw2200 chipset mini wireless card

2006-05-05 Thread Raymond Lewis Rebbeck

On Friday, May 5 2006 22:14, William Kenworthy wrote:
 I have a new sony lappy with a ipw2200 chipset mini wireless card.
 Should I be using the in kernel (2.6.16-r3) drivers or the builds in
 portage?  Is the a configuration guide for this setup on gentoo?

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I recommend the in-kernel drivers, simply because they are much more 
convenient and easier to get working. Just configure it like any other 
wireless device, there is a section in the handbook on wireless networking 
iirc. Otherwise there is plenty of information in /etc/conf.d/net.example 
and /etc/conf.d/wireless.example. Also, you'll need to emerge 
ipw2200-firmware regardless of whether you use the in-kernel or external 
driver, firmware-2.4 is needed for the in-kernel driver and firmware-3.0 is 
needed for the external driver, they are slotted so both firmwares can 
coexist nicely.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

On Friday 05 May 2006 13:17, Farhan Ahmed wrote:

  MAKEOPTS=

   MAKEOPTS=-j2
   
-j1 is a good one for singlecore/single cpu computer, where the
compiling is running in the background.
  
   No for singlecore/single cpu computer, -j2 is recommended.. Read
   MAKEOPTS section in:
 
  really? with -j2 my box crawls when compiling, sometimes even oom. With
  -j1 I can use it, as if nothing happens and I don't get oom. Plus - it is
  not slower.
  I have read the sections, I suffered from -j2 and I stopped using it. All
  better now.
  Btw, since switching between tasks and threads is something CPUs really
  hate, I can't even imagine how increasing the amount of needed switches
  should help.

 Al least Gentoo Handbook is a official Gentoo project and they recommend
 it.. :)

that is true, but still, for me it works a lot better, if I use -j1.

The difference is: with -j2 box is slow. A lot of packages do not compile 
because of ooms.

with -j1 box is normal. No ooms. Compiling does not take longer as with -j2.

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Re: [gentoo-user] ipw2200 chipset mini wireless card

2006-05-05 Thread Mike Markowski


Bill,

William Kenworthy wrote:

I have a new sony lappy with a ipw2200 chipset mini wireless card.
Should I be using the in kernel (2.6.16-r3) drivers or the builds in
portage?  Is the a configuration guide for this setup on gentoo?


You want the portage builds.  I'm going by memory (laptop is at home, 
I'm at work) but there are three things to emerge: ieee80211, ipw2200 
and ipw2200-firmware.  (The names might be a little off...)  In any 
case, the 802.11 ebuild will check your kernel config  tell you if 
there is a problem with your config, and how to deal with it by running 
a (provided) script.  Nice  easy!


Sorry my note isn't crisp on details, but I'm sure others will correct 
my fuzzy memory if I've left out anything.  Good luck,


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Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11 7.0 or 6.8. What of then is better ?

2006-05-05 Thread Allan Spagnol Comar


thanks for the explanation.

On 5/5/06, Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 5/4/06, Allan Spagnol Comar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi list,

 I am instaling a new gentoo box with x86, and I have a doubt about
 instaling xorg, I know that 7.0 is masked but almost getting stable,
 and I know that migrating from one another is a little traumatic, so
 here is my question, I got a ATI radeon x300 video board on a fast AMD
 processor with 1GB of RAM, should I install 7.0 from begin or should I
 put 6.8 first and wait to 7.0 go stable ?

This is the same as asking: Will I have problems with the testing
tree? And there's no real answers. I know at least a dozen people
running ~arch with no problems AT ALL (I stick with the stable), but
in the other hand we see everyday people complaining about problems
with the testing tree and if you go to bugzilla you'll find out that
testing is really for testing in some cases (but not all of them).

If its still testing, its because there are issues OR it hasn't been
tested long enough to declare it stable. So, its up to you decide
wether you want it or not. I got Xorg 7 when it was still hard masked
FOR A GOOD REASON (my chipset was better supported). But at work I use
an nvidia card, and I'm still at the 6.8 series. Do you have good
reasons? If not, wait for it to get stable, this MAY save you some
trouble. The real question here is: If it ain't broke, why fix it?
Specially cause the fix may break it... ;)

Anyway, It's just MHO.


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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
 (snip)
 
 The difference is: with -j2 box is slow. A lot of packages do not compile 
 because of ooms.
 
 with -j1 box is normal. No ooms. Compiling does not take longer as with -j2.

This is the first time I'm hearing this.. Even with -j2 my system
functions normally.. Has anyone encountered same problem?

PS: Your quote in previous message about gentoo-wiki is not true..
Although I agree that the Flags I quoted were unstable, you cannot say
gentoo-wiki cannot be trusted just because it can be edited by anyone..
If you are true then you cannot trust any Free Software because it too
can be edited.. Agreed that someone might post wrong info, but it's even
more likely that someone will recognize it and correct it.. This is the
beauty of open source..

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: glibc-2.4-r2: Problems with UTF-8 locale

2006-05-05 Thread Jeremy Olexa

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Alexander Skwar wrote:
 Sven Köhler wrote:
 My glibc 2.3.6 (with userlocales turned off) never
 creates such locales.
 
 There's no such flag as userlocales.
 

Sorry, I cannot help with the issue but I do know there is a userlocales
flag, I use this flag to only add the locales that I need and shave disk
space.

% grep userlocales /usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc
sys-libs/glibc:userlocales - build only the locales specified in
/etc/locales.build
sys-libs/uclibc:userlocales - build only the locales specified in
/etc/locales.build

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Re: [gentoo-user] ipw2200 chipset mini wireless card

2006-05-05 Thread fire-eyes

On Friday 05 May 2006 08:44, William Kenworthy wrote:
 I have a new sony lappy with a ipw2200 chipset mini wireless card.
 Should I be using the in kernel (2.6.16-r3) drivers or the builds in
 portage?  Is the a configuration guide for this setup on gentoo?

Some will say in kernel, some will say use ebuilds. Honestly i'm not sure of 
the difference.

I use the ebuilds, like so:

 1) emerge ieee80211 . it will probably tell you that you need to run a 
script, and fail until you do so. Do what it asks, then merge it again and it 
will work

 2) emerge ipw2200 ipw2200-firmware

 3) have the module ipw2200 loaded at boot and you're set

As far as a guide I'm not sure.

The only drawback of doing it this way, is that when you change kernels, you 
have to do the above again.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: glibc-2.4-r2: Problems with UTF-8 locale

Alexander Skwar wrote:
   What might have been the last glibc-version with UTF-8 locales?
  
  2.3.6-r3 or 2.4-r1
  
  No. Glibc-2.4-r1 used .utf8 locales.
 
 That might be. Then I wonder, why I had no problems with .UTF-8
 when I was using 2.4-r1. As I wrote, it might be, that my system
 was misbehaving, as it accepted .UTF-8 just fine.

I'm afraid I got no idea about it.. Anyway have you changed your locale
settings from .UTF-8 to .utf8 (all environment variables etc.,)? Is your
system working fine now?

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Re: [gentoo-user] ipw2200 chipset mini wireless card

2006-05-05 Thread William Kenworthy

Thanks, as the in-kernel ones didnt work, I'll try the external.

BillK



On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 09:07 -0400, Mike Markowski wrote:
 Bill,
 
 William Kenworthy wrote:
  I have a new sony lappy with a ipw2200 chipset mini wireless card.
  Should I be using the in kernel (2.6.16-r3) drivers or the builds in
  portage?  Is the a configuration guide for this setup on gentoo?
 
 You want the portage builds.  I'm going by memory (laptop is at home, 
 I'm at work) but there are three things to emerge: ieee80211, ipw2200 
 and ipw2200-firmware.  (The names might be a little off...)  In any 
 case, the 802.11 ebuild will check your kernel config  tell you if 
 there is a problem with your config, and how to deal with it by running 
 a (provided) script.  Nice  easy!
 
 Sorry my note isn't crisp on details, but I'm sure others will correct 
 my fuzzy memory if I've left out anything.  Good luck,
 
 Mike
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

2006-05-05 Thread Bo Andresen

On Thursday 04 May 2006 05:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Monday 01 May 2006 11:03 pm, Alexander Skwar wrote:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Outlook and Outlook Express are the two worst mail clients in the
   universe.
 
[SNIP]
   They're too slow
 
  Not really.

 You must not have used them.  I have.  They are.  End of story.

Please stop saying that everyone else is wrong and you are right when you 
obviously don't know what you are talking about!

   and bloated to do anything, and they don't accept ANYTHING
   other than MS Exchange server
 
  Wrt. Outlook Express, that's plain wrong. And wrt. Outlook: It's
  wrong as well. Outlook CAN interface IMAP servers. But you'll
  lose all the benefits of Outlook in this case.

 I said that they can't interface with non-MS Exchange servers withour
 throwing a Royal Temper Tantrum.  They do not like POP.  They like IMAP
 even less.

You are wrong! With a statement like this it's really hard to believe that you 
ever actually tried those programs! Outlook has handled POP3 and IMAP since 
version 8 at least (that's just the first version I ever tried so I don't 
know anything about earlier versions). Besides that this has no relevance on 
this list whatsoever. So why discuss it?? Stop making statements of things of 
which you have no knowledge about.

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[gentoo-user] Error compiling portage after an Tcupdate

2006-05-05 Thread Thiago Lüttig

Hi, I'm trying compile the portage (2.0.54.1-r1) after made an tcupdate
-t. The tcupdate seems to run ok, except the last compile of the
portage. When i try to run emerge portage, i get this error message:

gcc-config error: Could not run/locate i586-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
error: command 'i586-pc-linux-gnu-gcc' failed with exit status 1

!!! ERROR: sys-apps/portage-2.0.54-r1 failed.
!!! Function src_compile, Line 47, Exitcode 1
!!! Failed to build missingos module
!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, NOT this status message.

what could be wrong ??? Need i run the tcupdate again ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: glibc-2.4-r2: Problems with UTF-8 locale

Jeremy Olexa wrote:
 Alexander Skwar wrote:
  Sven Köhler wrote:
  My glibc 2.3.6 (with userlocales turned off) never
  creates such locales.
  
  There's no such flag as userlocales.
  
 
 Sorry, I cannot help with the issue but I do know there is a userlocales
 flag, I use this flag to only add the locales that I need and shave disk
 space.

Well userlocales USE flag was there in glibc-2.4-r1 but it's absent in
glibc-2.4-r2.. But here's the weird thing, I had compiled glibc-2.4-r1
with userlocales USE flag, in my /etc/locales.build I just have

  en_US/ISO-8859-1
  en_US.UTF-8/UTF-8

so the locale -a output, quiet expectantly, is:

  C
  en_US
  en_US.utf8
  POSIX

But with 2.4-r2 there is no such flag as userlocales and I was expecting
glibc to build all locales, but to my surprise I still have the above
said locales only.. Any ideas?

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[gentoo-user] Re: ipw2200 chipset mini wireless card

2006-05-05 Thread Sven Köhler

 I have a new sony lappy with a ipw2200 chipset mini wireless card.
 Should I be using the in kernel (2.6.16-r3) drivers or the builds in
 portage?  Is the a configuration guide for this setup on gentoo?

I would use the ebuilds. You're much more flexible that way in the case,
that you experience bugs. (I'm using the ~x86 version at the moment)

I don't know, which version has been integrated into the kernel. There
were definitely some bugs conncerning hwcrypto and other things in older
versions of ipw2200 which might be the one in kernel right now.



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Re: [gentoo-user] ipw2200 chipset mini wireless card

2006-05-05 Thread Jeremy Olexa

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fire-eyes wrote:
 On Friday 05 May 2006 08:44, William Kenworthy wrote:
 I have a new sony lappy with a ipw2200 chipset mini wireless card.
 Should I be using the in kernel (2.6.16-r3) drivers or the builds in
 portage?  Is the a configuration guide for this setup on gentoo?
 
 Some will say in kernel, some will say use ebuilds. Honestly i'm not sure of 
 the difference.

Does anyone really know what the difference is? I originally used the
ebuilds because I could only assume that they will be more up to date.
But now I realize that new kernels come out pretty quick so I don't
think this is the case. Anyone have insight?

Back on topic, ditto what fire-eyes said. No guide needed it is pretty
simple.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: glibc-2.4-r2: Problems with UTF-8 locale

Farhan Ahmed wrote:

 Anyway have you changed your locale
 settings from .UTF-8 to .utf8

Yep. But most importantly, I setup the /etc/locale.gen file.

 (all environment variables etc.,)? Is your
 system working fine now?

Yes, it is.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: glibc-2.4-r2: Problems with UTF-8 locale

Jeremy Olexa wrote:
 Alexander Skwar wrote:
 Sven Köhler wrote:
 My glibc 2.3.6 (with userlocales turned off) never
 creates such locales.
 
 There's no such flag as userlocales.
 
 
 Sorry, I cannot help with the issue but I do know there is a userlocales
 flag,

No, there *IS* not. There *used to be* one.

It has been dumped in glibc-2.4-r2 and glibc-2.3.6-r4.

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Re: [gentoo-user] ipw2200 chipset mini wireless card

2006-05-05 Thread Raymond Lewis Rebbeck

On Friday, May 5 2006 23:22, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
 Does anyone really know what the difference is? I originally used the
 ebuilds because I could only assume that they will be more up to date.
 But now I realize that new kernels come out pretty quick so I don't
 think this is the case. Anyone have insight?

The ebuilds are more up to date. The in-kernel ipw2200 (as of 2.6.16) is based 
on version 1.0.8. kernel 2.6.17 features an even newer version. Using the 
ebuild means that you must remove ieee80211 from the kernel, which from what 
i understand means that you can no longer use any of the other wireless 
drivers which require it in the kernel.

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Re: [gentoo-user] ipw2200 chipset mini wireless card

2006-05-05 Thread Christian Limberg


William Kenworthy schrieb:

Thanks, as the in-kernel ones didnt work, I'll try the external.

BillK




Hm, did you compile the in-kernel ipw2200-driver as a kernel module? If 
the driver is built-in, it will not work, because the driver cannot load 
its firmware before the kernel has booted. As others told before, you 
need the ipw2200-firmware too, even if you use the kernel-module.


I stick to the kernel module, just because I don't have to remerge the 
driver after installing a new kernel. Furthermore its the more cleaner 
way in my opinion. You don't have to patch the kernel-sources like you 
have to do by using the ieee80211-package.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: glibc-2.4-r2: Problems with UTF-8 locale

Farhan Ahmed wrote:

 But here's the weird thing, I had compiled glibc-2.4-r1
 with userlocales USE flag, in my /etc/locales.build

There *is* no file called /etc/locales.build. glibc-2.4-r2
uses /etc/locale.gen to determine, which locales are to be
generated.

 But with 2.4-r2 there is no such flag as userlocales and I was expecting
 glibc to build all locales, but to my surprise I still have the above
 said locales only.. Any ideas?

Maybe it is a compatability thing, in that locales.build
has been updated for you to locale.gen.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

Farhan Ahmed wrote:
 Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
 (snip)
 
 The difference is: with -j2 box is slow. A lot of packages do not compile 
 because of ooms.
 
 with -j1 box is normal. No ooms. Compiling does not take longer as with -j2.
 
 This is the first time I'm hearing this.. Even with -j2 my system
 functions normally.. Has anyone encountered same problem?

Not me. I'm using -j2 on a single CPU system just fine.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

On Friday 05 May 2006 16:06, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote:
 Hi,

 On Fri, 5 May 2006 18:49:29 +0530 Farhan Ahmed

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   The difference is: with -j2 box is slow. A lot of packages do not
   compile because of ooms.
  
   with -j1 box is normal. No ooms. Compiling does not take longer as
   with -j2.
 
  This is the first time I'm hearing this.. Even with -j2 my system
  functions normally.. Has anyone encountered same problem?

 Not really. GCC does eat some memory, but it's not that worse. Well,
 this does absolutely depend on RAM+Swap. Whenever I had oom conditions
 in the past 4 years, that was because of a leaky, long-running
 application. I've yet to see a gcc process that claims 100MB of
 physical memory. I did see Apache eat such an amount of mem after
 running some days and calling leaky skripts (integrated as a module, of
 course).


on AMD64 compiling kdepim or wesnoth, there are structures created, that takes 
700mb and more. And this is not even swappable.

So with 1gig of ram, you can run into ooms.

I had enough of them. Even on a fresh booted system with nothing running than 
the emerge process. That has nothing to do with flaky applications, just much 
ram needed by gcc.
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

On Friday 05 May 2006 16:20, Alexander Skwar wrote:
 Farhan Ahmed wrote:
  Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
  (snip)
 
  The difference is: with -j2 box is slow. A lot of packages do not
  compile because of ooms.
 
  with -j1 box is normal. No ooms. Compiling does not take longer as with
  -j2.
 
  This is the first time I'm hearing this.. Even with -j2 my system
  functions normally.. Has anyone encountered same problem?

 Not me. I'm using -j2 on a single CPU system just fine.


and you don't use AMD64, do you?
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

On Friday 05 May 2006 15:19, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
 Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
  (snip)
 
  The difference is: with -j2 box is slow. A lot of packages do not compile
  because of ooms.
 
  with -j1 box is normal. No ooms. Compiling does not take longer as with
  -j2.

 This is the first time I'm hearing this.. Even with -j2 my system
 functions normally.. Has anyone encountered same problem?

 PS: Your quote in previous message about gentoo-wiki is not true..
 Although I agree that the Flags I quoted were unstable, you cannot say
 gentoo-wiki cannot be trusted just because it can be edited by anyone..
 If you are true then you cannot trust any Free Software because it too
 can be edited.. Agreed that someone might post wrong info, but it's even
 more likely that someone will recognize it and correct it.. This is the
 beauty of open source..

it is much easier to vandalize a wiki then software.

I, you, anyone can get one or two sentences into any wiki article, that look 
sane, but are totally wrong. And nobody but an expert would find it.

gentoowiki is nice, but you always have to turn your brain on, before doing, 
what is written there. 
The same is true for wikipedia - don't think, that everything written there is 
true. Blatant vandalization is easy to spot. But subtile misinformation, that 
is the problem. And it is a big one.
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

This is an example:

[ 1151.984763] oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x80d2, order=0
[ 1151.984767] Mem-info:
[ 1151.984770] DMA per-cpu:
[ 1151.984772] cpu 0 hot: low 2, high 6, batch 1 used:3
[ 1151.984775] cpu 0 cold: low 0, high 2, batch 1 used:1
[ 1151.984776] Normal per-cpu:
[ 1151.984779] cpu 0 hot: low 62, high 186, batch 31 used:98
[ 1151.984781] cpu 0 cold: low 0, high 62, batch 31 used:32
[ 1151.984783] HighMem per-cpu: empty
[ 1151.984786] Free pages:5520kB (0kB HighMem)
[ 1151.984790] Active:117324 inactive:1252 dirty:0 writeback:0 unstable:0 
free:1380 slab:4119 mapped:117651 pagetables:562
[ 1151.984794] DMA free:2068kB min:88kB low:108kB high:132kB active:10436kB 
inactive:0kB present:15996kB pages_scanned:10623 all_unreclaimable? yes
[ 1151.984797] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 495 495
[ 1151.984802] Normal free:3452kB min:2800kB low:3500kB high:4200kB 
active:458860kB inactive:5008kB present:507584kB pages_scanned:0 
all_unreclaimable? no
[ 1151.984805] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0
[ 1151.984809] HighMem free:0kB min:128kB low:160kB high:192kB active:0kB 
inactive:0kB present:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no
[ 1151.984811] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0
[ 1151.984813] DMA: 1*4kB 0*8kB 1*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 
0*1024kB 1*2048kB 0*4096kB = 2068kB
[ 1151.984820] Normal: 113*4kB 21*8kB 7*16kB 1*32kB 0*64kB 1*128kB 0*256kB 
1*512kB 0*1024kB 1*2048kB 0*4096kB = 3452kB
[ 1151.984827] HighMem: empty
[ 1151.984829] Swap cache: add 71, delete 71, find 0/0, race 0+0
[ 1151.984831] Free swap  = 995736kB
[ 1151.984833] Total swap = 996020kB
[ 1151.984834] Free swap:   995736kB
[ 1151.988117] 130992 pages of RAM
[ 1151.988119] 3265 reserved pages
[ 1151.988121] 24332 pages shared
[ 1151.988122] 0 pages swap cached
[ 1151.988154] Out of Memory: Killed process 8716 (cc1plus).
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[gentoo-user] national keyboard in open office

2006-05-05 Thread Pawel K

Hello
How to force open office to type national (Polish)
fonts. I can see them on the screen when opening the
document containing them but when I press the
combination right alt-char it doesn't work. I've
installed open office as english(USA) version and
itshould stay like that. I want to be able to type
Polish characters only.

Additional information about my system:
1) system: linux Gentoo
2) open office 2.0
3) window manager: fluxbox
4) xorg.conf contains:
Option XkbRules   xorg
Option XkbModel   pc105
Option XkbLayout  pl
Option XkbOptions grp:switch
5) /etc/conf.d/keymaps contains KEYMAP=pl2

thank You for help

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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
 On Friday 05 May 2006 15:19, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
 (snip)
 
  PS: Your quote in previous message about gentoo-wiki is not true..
  Although I agree that the Flags I quoted were unstable, you cannot say
  gentoo-wiki cannot be trusted just because it can be edited by anyone..
  If you are true then you cannot trust any Free Software because it too
  can be edited.. Agreed that someone might post wrong info, but it's even
  more likely that someone will recognize it and correct it.. This is the
  beauty of open source..
 
 it is much easier to vandalize a wiki then software.
 
 I, you, anyone can get one or two sentences into any wiki article, that look 
 sane, but are totally wrong. And nobody but an expert would find it.
 
 gentoowiki is nice, but you always have to turn your brain on, before doing, 
 what is written there. 
 The same is true for wikipedia - don't think, that everything written there 
 is 
 true. Blatant vandalization is easy to spot. But subtile misinformation, that 
 is the problem. And it is a big one.

But it'll be corrected nonetheless.. :)

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[gentoo-user] ltsp woes

2006-05-05 Thread John Blinka


Hi,

I help out with a local school using an ltsp server to run 50-60 ancient
pentium boxes as terminals.  I've run gentoo and ltsp on this server for 
almost

a year without problems.  However, a few weeks ago there had been a sudden
power outage (and no ups) which took the server and terminals down.
Ever since that event, we've not been able to get the terminals to boot.
We get as far as this message on the terminals:

Boot from (N)etwork or from (L)ocal? N
Probing...[3C5x9]3C5x9 board on ISA at 0x300 - 10baseT
Ethernet address: 00:A0:24:98:14:55
Searching for Server (DHCP)...
 No Server found

The server is up and running.  I can log into it remotely via
ssh or VNC and everything seems to be operating normally.
A dhcp daemon is running, and, in fact is supplying ip addresses
to a bunch of windows boxes on the school network.

Any suggestions on how to debug this are welcome!

Thanks for your help.

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[gentoo-user] OOM-Killer upon compilation/emerge on AMD64 (was: Re: why firefox is so slow?)

2006-05-05 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse

Hi,

On Fri, 5 May 2006 17:28:06 +0200 Hemmann, Volker Armin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is an example:
 
 [ 1151.984763] oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x80d2, order=0

Huh? If I understand Linux' memory management correctly that says that
the OOM condition was triggered by trying to reserve 1 page (order=0)
of high memory (gfp_mask|0x0002). But: You don't have highmem (of
course, because you're running on 64bit).

 [ 1151.984770] DMA per-cpu:

what about DMA32? Is this an older kernel?

 [ 1151.984809] HighMem free:0kB min:128kB low:160kB high:192kB active:0kB 
 inactive:0kB present:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no

doesn't make me wonder on 64bit...

 [ 1151.984829] Swap cache: add 71, delete 71, find 0/0, race 0+0
 [ 1151.984831] Free swap  = 995736kB
 [ 1151.984833] Total swap = 996020kB
 [ 1151.984834] Free swap:   995736kB

Errr, that basically says nearly full swap space is available, isn't it?

I think you probably have some IO related driver that for whatever
reason decides to claim highmem. This triggers the OOM (there's no
highmem), and cc1plus just happens to be the most interesting task to
kill for the kernel:
- just started,
- much memory recovered

Further analysis would probably require patching the mm/oom_kill.c and
inserting a few debug statements -- if the problem is still there for
newest kernels (there's been some changes esp. reg. AMD64 in 2.6.14,
IIRC).


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Re: [gentoo-user] ltsp woes


On 5/5/06, John Blinka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

I help out with a local school using an ltsp server to run 50-60 ancient
pentium boxes as terminals.  I've run gentoo and ltsp on this server for
almost
a year without problems.  However, a few weeks ago there had been a sudden
power outage (and no ups) which took the server and terminals down.
Ever since that event, we've not been able to get the terminals to boot.
We get as far as this message on the terminals:

Boot from (N)etwork or from (L)ocal? N
Probing...[3C5x9]3C5x9 board on ISA at 0x300 - 10baseT
Ethernet address: 00:A0:24:98:14:55
Searching for Server (DHCP)...
 No Server found

The server is up and running.  I can log into it remotely via
ssh or VNC and everything seems to be operating normally.
A dhcp daemon is running, and, in fact is supplying ip addresses
to a bunch of windows boxes on the school network.

Any suggestions on how to debug this are welcome!



How are the boxes connected to the network? A hub? A switch? Router
maybe? Try using the network spot (where one of the failing boxes is
connected) with a notebook or another machine that you know has no
problems. Also check the cables and other network devices between the
boxes and the DHCP server. I doubt a software failure would get all
your boxes down at the same time.

So, its my bet, a physical problem, but I'm not an expert.

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[gentoo-user] Playing Audio and DVD cds!!!


Hello All,

IS there any one that can help me get my audio cds and dvds to work, 
i have tryed so much I don't know wht I have done and I would put all

here but I don't,  I am geting the:

Couldn't display cdda:///dev/hda.

/etc/init.d/ivman start
* Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
* Could not get dependency info for ivman!
* Please run:

*   # /sbin/depscan.sh

* to try and fix this.
* Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
* Could not get dependency info for ivman!
* Please run:

*   # /sbin/depscan.sh

* to try and fix this.
* Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
* Could not get dependency info for ivman!
* Please run:

*   # /sbin/depscan.sh

* to try and fix this.
* Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
* Could not get dependency info for ivman!
* Please run:

*   # /sbin/depscan.sh

* to try and fix this.
* Starting Automounter ...   [ ok ]

I have emerged:
ivman
I added to rc-update and get the above error also

my cd is being detected after I do a mount of:
mount /dev/hda /dev/dvd

I am able to see the metadata of the cd under cd player but am unable to play it

PLEASE help I have been playing with this for hours!

Sincerely,
Christopher

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Re: [gentoo-user] OOM-Killer upon compilation/emerge on AMD64 (was: Re: why firefox is so slow?)

On Friday 05 May 2006 18:43, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote:

  [ 1151.984829] Swap cache: add 71, delete 71, find 0/0, race 0+0
  [ 1151.984831] Free swap  = 995736kB
  [ 1151.984833] Total swap = 996020kB
  [ 1151.984834] Free swap:995736kB

 Errr, that basically says nearly full swap space is available, isn't it?


no, that says, that of roughly one gb, roughly one gb was free, when the oom 
happened.

 I think you probably have some IO related driver that for whatever
 reason decides to claim highmem. This triggers the OOM (there's no
 highmem), and cc1plus just happens to be the most interesting task to
 kill for the kernel:

no, I had this often enough.

The thing is really easy: on amd64 compiling kdepim or wesnoth can end in one 
single make instance need ~700mb of ram for a big construct.
If you have two instances and only 1gb, oom will go wild.

The example was from kdepim, btw.

Here is another one, were the oom killer was really on a rampage:

[14190.755961] oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x80d2, order=0
[14190.755966] Mem-info:
[14190.755968] DMA per-cpu:
[14190.755970] cpu 0 hot: low 2, high 6, batch 1 used:2
[14190.755973] cpu 0 cold: low 0, high 2, batch 1 used:1
[14190.755974] Normal per-cpu:
[14190.755977] cpu 0 hot: low 62, high 186, batch 31 used:87
[14190.755979] cpu 0 cold: low 0, high 62, batch 31 used:31
[14190.755981] HighMem per-cpu: empty
[14190.755984] Free pages:5100kB (0kB HighMem)
[14190.755988] Active:99458 inactive:16552 dirty:0 writeback:0 unstable:0 
free:1275 slab:5237 mapped:114743 pagetables:1681
[14190.755993] DMA free:2068kB min:88kB low:108kB high:132kB active:9968kB 
inactive:0kB present:15996kB pages_scanned:11428 all_unreclaimable? yes
[14190.755996] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 495 495
[14190.756000] Normal free:3032kB min:2800kB low:3500kB high:4200kB 
active:387864kB inactive:66208kB present:507584kB pages_scanned:0 
all_unreclaimable? no
[14190.756004] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0
[14190.756007] HighMem free:0kB min:128kB low:160kB high:192kB active:0kB 
inactive:0kB present:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no
[14190.756010] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0
[14190.756012] DMA: 1*4kB 0*8kB 1*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 
0*1024kB 1*2048kB 0*4096kB = 2068kB
[14190.756019] Normal: 0*4kB 33*8kB 1*16kB 0*32kB 1*64kB 1*128kB 0*256kB 
1*512kB 0*1024kB 1*2048kB 0*4096kB = 3032kB
[14190.756025] HighMem: empty
[14190.756028] Swap cache: add 71448, delete 65168, find 4559/6507, race 0+0
[14190.756030] Free swap  = 770044kB
[14190.756032] Total swap = 996020kB
[14190.756034] Free swap:   770044kB
[14190.759136] 130992 pages of RAM
[14190.759139] 3282 reserved pages
[14190.759141] 134016 pages shared
[14190.759143] 6280 pages swap cached
[14190.759202] Out of Memory: Killed process 16362 (java).
[14509.475810] oom-killer: gfp_mask=0xd0, order=0
[14509.475814] Mem-info:
[14509.475816] DMA per-cpu:
[14509.475819] cpu 0 hot: low 2, high 6, batch 1 used:4
[14509.475821] cpu 0 cold: low 0, high 2, batch 1 used:1
[14509.475823] Normal per-cpu:
[14509.475826] cpu 0 hot: low 62, high 186, batch 31 used:68
[14509.475828] cpu 0 cold: low 0, high 62, batch 31 used:54
[14509.475830] HighMem per-cpu: empty
[14509.475833] Free pages:5008kB (0kB HighMem)
[14509.475837] Active:113415 inactive:3219 dirty:0 writeback:0 unstable:0 
free:1252 slab:4835 mapped:115538 pagetables:1541
[14509.475842] DMA free:2068kB min:88kB low:108kB high:132kB active:10252kB 
inactive:0kB present:15996kB pages_scanned:10743 all_unreclaimable? yes
[14509.475845] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 495 495
[14509.475849] Normal free:2940kB min:2800kB low:3500kB high:4200kB 
active:443408kB inactive:12876kB present:507584kB pages_scanned:0 
all_unreclaimable? no
[14509.475853] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0
[14509.475856] HighMem free:0kB min:128kB low:160kB high:192kB active:0kB 
inactive:0kB present:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no
[14509.475859] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0
[14509.475861] DMA: 1*4kB 0*8kB 1*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 
0*1024kB 1*2048kB 0*4096kB = 2068kB
[14509.475867] Normal: 1*4kB 23*8kB 4*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 1*128kB 0*256kB 
1*512kB 0*1024kB 1*2048kB 0*4096kB = 2940kB
[14509.475874] HighMem: empty
[14509.475877] Swap cache: add 92036, delete 85042, find 9890/13129, race 0+0
[14509.475879] Free swap  = 757972kB
[14509.475881] Total swap = 996020kB
[14509.475883] Free swap:   757972kB
[14509.478961] 130992 pages of RAM
[14509.478963] 3282 reserved pages
[14509.478964] 122253 pages shared
[14509.478966] 6994 pages swap cached
[14509.479022] Out of Memory: Killed process 8398 (java).
[15001.297389] oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x80d2, order=0
[15001.297393] Mem-info:
[15001.297395] DMA per-cpu:
[15001.297398] cpu 0 hot: low 2, high 6, batch 1 used:3
[15001.297400] cpu 0 cold: low 0, high 2, batch 1 used:1
[15001.297402] Normal per-cpu:
[15001.297404] cpu 0 hot: low 62, high 186, batch 31 used:146
[15001.297407] cpu 0 cold: low 0, high 62, batch 31 used:32
[15001.297409] HighMem per-cpu: empty

Re: [gentoo-user] Playing Audio and DVD cds!!!

2006-05-05 Thread David Sveningsson





Hello, I use VLC for this without
any touble. You shouldn't mount the audio-cds or dvd, and and as far as
I know you shouldn't write cdda:// when playing, the application should
figure out that itself.

Christopher E wrote:
Hello All,
  
  
IS there any one that can help me get my audio cds and dvds to work, i
have tryed so much I don't know wht I have done and I would put all
  
here but I don't, I am geting the:
  
  
Couldn't display "cdda:///dev/hda".
  
  
/etc/init.d/ivman start
  
* Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
  
* Could not get dependency info for "ivman"!
  
* Please run:
  
  
* # /sbin/depscan.sh
  
  
* to try and fix this.
  
* Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
  
* Could not get dependency info for "ivman"!
  
* Please run:
  
  
* # /sbin/depscan.sh
  
  
* to try and fix this.
  
* Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
  
* Could not get dependency info for "ivman"!
  
* Please run:
  
  
* # /sbin/depscan.sh
  
  
* to try and fix this.
  
* Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
  
* Could not get dependency info for "ivman"!
  
* Please run:
  
  
* # /sbin/depscan.sh
  
  
* to try and fix this.
  
* Starting Automounter
... [ ok ]
  
  
I have emerged:
  
ivman
  
I added to rc-update and get the above error also
  
  
my cd is being detected after I do a mount of:
  
mount /dev/hda /dev/dvd
  
  
I am able to see the metadata of the cd under cd player but am unable
to play it
  
  
PLEASE help I have been playing with this for hours!
  
  
Sincerely,
  
Christopher
  
  


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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

On Friday 05 May 2006 17:35, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
 Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
  On Friday 05 May 2006 15:19, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
  (snip)
 
   PS: Your quote in previous message about gentoo-wiki is not true..
   Although I agree that the Flags I quoted were unstable, you cannot say
   gentoo-wiki cannot be trusted just because it can be edited by anyone..
   If you are true then you cannot trust any Free Software because it too
   can be edited.. Agreed that someone might post wrong info, but it's
   even more likely that someone will recognize it and correct it.. This
   is the beauty of open source..
 
  it is much easier to vandalize a wiki then software.
 
  I, you, anyone can get one or two sentences into any wiki article, that
  look sane, but are totally wrong. And nobody but an expert would find it.
 
  gentoowiki is nice, but you always have to turn your brain on, before
  doing, what is written there.
  The same is true for wikipedia - don't think, that everything written
  there is true. Blatant vandalization is easy to spot. But subtile
  misinformation, that is the problem. And it is a big one.

 But it'll be corrected nonetheless.. :)

do you really think?

There are cases, where misonformation was not found for month, even longer - 
and there are a lot of very demanding and obscure articles, would you really 
bet, that every case of voluntary misinformation can and will be found?

I won't.
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[gentoo-user] ISSUE: ivman error after emerge!


Hello All,

I am geting this error after emergeing ivman and type in this command
as follows:

/etc/init.d/ivman start

It then gives me this:

* Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
* Could not get dependency info for ivman!
* Please run:

*   # /sbin/depscan.sh

* to try and fix this.
* Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
* Could not get dependency info for ivman!
* Please run:

*   # /sbin/depscan.sh

* to try and fix this.
* Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
* Could not get dependency info for ivman!
* Please run:

*   # /sbin/depscan.sh

* to try and fix this.
* Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
* Could not get dependency info for ivman!
* Please run:

*   # /sbin/depscan.sh

* to try and fix this.
* Starting Automounter ...

I also get this when starting the computer as I have aded it to the
rc-update as default

As it surgessted to run /sbin/depscan.sh I just get a prompte and NO
out put at all

PLEASE help if you know what is wrong and how to fix this issue!!

Sincerely,
Christopher

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Re: [gentoo-user] national keyboard in open office

2006-05-05 Thread Dave Jones

Pawel K wrote on 05/05/06 17:30:

 How to force open office to type national (Polish)
 fonts. I can see them on the screen when opening the
 document containing them but when I press the
 combination right alt-char it doesn't work. I've
 installed open office as english(USA) version and
 itshould stay like that. I want to be able to type
 Polish characters only.

 Additional information about my system:
 1) system: linux Gentoo
 2) open office 2.0
 3) window manager: fluxbox
 4) xorg.conf contains:
 Option XkbRules   xorg
 Option XkbModel   pc105
 Option XkbLayout  pl
 Option XkbOptions grp:switch
 5) /etc/conf.d/keymaps contains KEYMAP=pl2

 thank You for help

I had a similar problem using the US_intl keyboard with OpenOffice.

Try LC_ALL=PL_pl.utf8 (or something like that) and start OOo from the
prompt to enable utf8.  If this helps, to change your locale permanently
you should change (maybe add) /etc/env.d/02locale and run env-update.
You only need to set LC_ALL.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Playing Audio and DVD cds!!!


Hello David,

I have emerged this VLC and I can not get it to run, I have it under
the sound and video menu and have clicked it and even restarted the
system to see if that would help

Sincerely,
Christopher

On 5/5/06, David Sveningsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello, I use VLC for this without any touble. You shouldn't mount the
audio-cds or dvd, and and as far as I know you shouldn't write cdda:// when
playing, the application should figure out that itself.


 Christopher E wrote:
Hello All,

 IS there any one that can help me get my audio cds and dvds to work, i have
tryed so much I don't know wht I have done and I would put all
 here but I don't,  I am geting the:

 Couldn't display cdda:///dev/hda.

 /etc/init.d/ivman start
 * Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
 * Could not get dependency info for ivman!
 * Please run:

 *   # /sbin/depscan.sh

 * to try and fix this.
 * Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
 * Could not get dependency info for ivman!
 * Please run:

 *   # /sbin/depscan.sh

 * to try and fix this.
 * Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
 * Could not get dependency info for ivman!
 * Please run:

 *   # /sbin/depscan.sh

 * to try and fix this.
 * Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
 * Could not get dependency info for ivman!
 * Please run:

 *   # /sbin/depscan.sh

 * to try and fix this.
 * Starting Automounter ...
  [ ok ]

 I have emerged:
 ivman
 I added to rc-update and get the above error also

 my cd is being detected after I do a mount of:
 mount /dev/hda /dev/dvd

 I am able to see the metadata of the cd under cd player but am unable to
play it

 PLEASE help I have been playing with this for hours!

 Sincerely,
 Christopher



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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?


Hans-Werner Hilse wrote:


I've yet to see a gcc process that claims 100MB of
physical memory.


Well, I haven't looked at memory usage, but when Qt or kdelibs
is being compiled, the system gets quite slow and especially
during linking quite some memory is used.



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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?


Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

On Friday 05 May 2006 16:20, Alexander Skwar wrote:

Farhan Ahmed wrote:
 Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:



 This is the first time I'm hearing this.. Even with -j2 my system
 functions normally.. Has anyone encountered same problem?

Not me. I'm using -j2 on a single CPU system just fine.


and you don't use AMD64, do you?


No, I don't. Celeron M with 1.50 GHz.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Playing Audio and DVD cds!!!


On 5/5/06, David Sveningsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello, I use VLC for this without any touble. You shouldn't mount the
audio-cds or dvd, and and as far as I know you shouldn't write cdda:// when
playing, the application should figure out that itself.



He mentioned an error that happens when he click the Gnome (or KDE,
can't remember) icon at the desktop. Not something he typed...



 Christopher E wrote:
Hello All,

 IS there any one that can help me get my audio cds and dvds to work, i have
tryed so much I don't know wht I have done and I would put all
 here but I don't,  I am geting the:



Try simply NOT USING the icon, and using an application direcly.
Emerge mplayer and:

mplayer dvd://

for example. Try XMMS to play audio CDs. Have you tried just playing
them with the app? Or are you still wanting them to be played
automagically? I guess your problem is configuration of the WM and
maybe some dependency or whatever linked to the way the WM deals with
the icons on the desktop.

You DO NOT MOUNT audio CDs, that would probably return an error and/or
block the device for direct reading (in the case of a DVD).

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Re: [gentoo-user] .wmv files

2006-05-05 Thread kashani


Farhan Ahmed wrote:


For converting from .wmv to other formats I recommend mencoder (it comes
with MPlayer).. Make sure you compile MPlayer with win32codecs USE
flag.. Here's an example to convert movie.wmv to movie.avi (DivX) :

  mencoder movie.wmv -o movie.avi -ovc lavc -oac lavc



	It's important to note that the above only works for wmv8 and older 
files not the newer wmv9 codec that many sites/tools are starting to 
use. I don't believe there is any free decoder of wmv9 files on Linux at 
the moment.


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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

On Friday 05 May 2006 19:49, Alexander Skwar wrote:
 Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
  On Friday 05 May 2006 16:20, Alexander Skwar wrote:
  Farhan Ahmed wrote:
   Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
  
   This is the first time I'm hearing this.. Even with -j2 my system
   functions normally.. Has anyone encountered same problem?
 
  Not me. I'm using -j2 on a single CPU system just fine.
 
  and you don't use AMD64, do you?

 No, I don't. Celeron M with 1.50 GHz.


yeah, with my athlon-xp, I never saw oom on compiling, but with amd64, one gig 
is sometimes not enough ;)
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
 (snip)
 
 There are cases, where misonformation was not found for month, even longer - 
 and there are a lot of very demanding and obscure articles, would you really 
 bet, that every case of voluntary misinformation can and will be found?

In that case you should stop using GNU/OSS software, as you have no way
of knowing every piece of code using your brains.. Have you ever audited
kernel before updating? No.. But still you update.. Why? Because you
trust that someone will point some malicious code, if any, before it
comes to your machine.. Likewise, if someone reads the article and he
sees some inconsistency, he'll in all likelihood correct it (just in
wiki's, not entirely possible in Reliable Articles By Experts).. 

Just as an example, compare Wikipedia spelling accuracy to other sources,
you'll find that Wikipedia is far better.. When thousands of people are
editing a article there will always be some odd person who will post
misinformation, but how many people will correct it? Almost everyone who
points that misinformation..

Almost every book we read contain some mistakes, so should we stop
reading book or stop learning from it.. But at least with wiki pages one
has the option of correcting the mistakes live.. If you don't trust the
community that's doing this great work of writing free software, sharing
their knowledge in Wiki's, then what's the point of using GNU/Linux? I'm
not saying that you are entirely wrong, but your assumption that one
must not follow wiki's just because they are world editable is wrong

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: glibc-2.4-r2: Problems with UTF-8 locale

2006-05-05 Thread Patrick Börjesson

On 2006-05-05 19:11, Farhan Ahmed uttered these thoughts:
 Well userlocales USE flag was there in glibc-2.4-r1 but it's absent in
 glibc-2.4-r2.. But here's the weird thing, I had compiled glibc-2.4-r1
 with userlocales USE flag, in my /etc/locales.build I just have
 
   en_US/ISO-8859-1
   en_US.UTF-8/UTF-8
 
 so the locale -a output, quiet expectantly, is:
 
   C
   en_US
   en_US.utf8
   POSIX
 
 But with 2.4-r2 there is no such flag as userlocales and I was expecting
 glibc to build all locales, but to my surprise I still have the above
 said locales only.. Any ideas?

locale-gen automatically uses /etc/locales.build (if it exists) if it
doesn't find any locales to generate in /etc/locale.gen

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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo servers down?

2006-05-05 Thread Patrick Börjesson

On 2006-05-05 10:49, Alexander Skwar uttered these thoughts:
 Do other people also experience problems with http://bugs.gentoo.org/
 and http://packages.gentoo.org/ right now? The servers react extremely
 slow and bgo is only showing me a
 
   À
 
 right now.

It seems that (at least) bugs.gentoo.org has had some problems for a
while now. From what i gather it's the database it's using that's pretty
bogged down...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Playing Audio and DVD cds!!!


Hello Daniel,


He mentioned an error that happens when he click the Gnome (or KDE,
can't remember) icon at the desktop. Not something he typed...


Thanks for pointing that out!


Try simply NOT USING the icon, and using an application direcly.


OK, I have tryed this with mplayer, xine, cd player

With cd player and mplayer I am unable to get the cd to play but it
does show me the metadata for the cd (audio)

With xine I can play the cd (audio)



Emerge mplayer and:

I have emerged mplayer


mplayer dvd://

what is this and where do I do this?


for example. Try XMMS to play audio CDs. Have you tried just playing
them with the app?


See above for this response


Or are you still wanting them to be played
automagically?

Rigtht now I don't care if there play auto or not but at a time I
would like this.

I guess your problem is configuration of the WM and maybe some
dependency or whatever linked to the way the WM deals with the icons
on the desktop.
I am using Gnome that portage has of latest one I think, and x11 how
do I do this and so on I am a very new users that had done this setup
now over 5 times as I run in to one issue or entother?


You DO NOT MOUNT audio CDs, that would probably return an error and/or
block the device for direct reading (in the case of a DVD).

I tryed this as a test to see if that was the issue and it did not
help so I rebooted after it

Sincerely,
Christopher

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Re: [gentoo-user] debugging runscript


On 04/05/06, Leigh Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

can anyone tell me how to trace through init scripts, which are
executed by /sbin/runscript?

with bash there is a nice little switch which does just that.  i need
to figure out exactly what those net.ethx scripts are doing because
they clobber my wifi interface when i use the LinuxAnt driverloader
module.


I'm afraid I can't answer your question directly,* but besides the
initscripts you may want to check whether there is a serial port
issue/conflict here;  i.e. the linuxant is claiming the serial port
and your wifi iface is also using the (same) serial port to be
accessed by the kernel.

Just an idea.

 *  I just thought of something:  first stop the particular script(s)
and then run strace or gdb with /sbin/runscript.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Playing Audio and DVD cds!!!


On 5/5/06, Christopher E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello Daniel,

 He mentioned an error that happens when he click the Gnome (or KDE,
 can't remember) icon at the desktop. Not something he typed...

Thanks for pointing that out!

 Try simply NOT USING the icon, and using an application direcly.

OK, I have tryed this with mplayer, xine, cd player

With cd player and mplayer I am unable to get the cd to play but it
does show me the metadata for the cd (audio)

With xine I can play the cd (audio)



Man, something only look at the screen could explain. Wow, now, THAT
is a problem, you can access it, but can't play it... Do you have an
digital audio cable connecting your drive to your motherboard or audio
card? Its a shot in the dark, but...



 Emerge mplayer and:
I have emerged mplayer

 mplayer dvd://
what is this and where do I do this?



From any console/terminal you just type it...




 for example. Try XMMS to play audio CDs. Have you tried just playing
 them with the app?

See above for this response

 Or are you still wanting them to be played
 automagically?
Rigtht now I don't care if there play auto or not but at a time I
would like this.


Well, I don't know much of gnome/had/dbus/automounter etc, but right
now I would be happy if you were able to use those apps to lauch audio
and DVDs.



I guess your problem is configuration of the WM and maybe some
dependency or whatever linked to the way the WM deals with the icons
on the desktop.
I am using Gnome that portage has of latest one I think, and x11 how
do I do this and so on I am a very new users that had done this setup
now over 5 times as I run in to one issue or entother?


Well, no one ever said it would be easy ;) Ok, maybe someone did, but
its a lie, each machine/configuration may have its own bugs/issues.
Welcome to the place you know something is wrong and you can fix it
somehow (in that how I don't include formatting/reinstalling or
buying ugly and expensive software).

Ok, let me gather some more info. When you play it with xine you see
no errors right? When trying to play it with xmms or mplayer, what you
get? Does the timer goes as it is playing and no sound, does it
freezes, it simply do nothing?



 You DO NOT MOUNT audio CDs, that would probably return an error and/or
 block the device for direct reading (in the case of a DVD).
I tryed this as a test to see if that was the issue and it did not
help so I rebooted after it


You don't have to, just umount it and/or exit the app that you used to do it.
Not rebooting after every software install was one of the reasons I
left the world of windows.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?

2006-05-05 Thread Walter Dnes

On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 09:35:44PM -0700, Ryan Tandy wrote
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thursday 04 May 2006 05:27 pm, Walter Dnes wrote:
   
   Gentoo ~x86 (or ~whatever) is roughly equivalant to a mix of Debian
 Testing and Unstable.  A package may be ~ simply because it hasn't
 been tested enough yet to certify as stable.  Or it may be horribly
 broken.  Or somewhere in between.  If you were comfortable running
 Debian unstable, you'll be comfortable running Gentoo ~x86.
 
 Actually, this isn't quite true.  The difference between arch and ~arch 
 is strictly a Gentoo difference - packages aren't shifted from 
 package.mask to ~arch until they're considered stable by upstream.  
 ~arch is the Gentoo testing branch: where the ebuild is refined and 
 where the code is patched if it breaks due to crazy C(XX)FLAGS, USE, etc.
 
 Packages where the *code* (as opposed to the *ebuild*) is still 
 considered unstable and which may actually break things badly are left 
 in package.mask.

  There isn't a 100% exact mapping like..
Gentoo-~arch  = Debian-Testing
Gentoo-masked = Debian-Unstable

  It's a mixture.  Even an ebuild-related problem can cause brokeness.
The consequences are...
  1) More liklihood of strange bugs/breakage
  2) You will *NOT* get bug-support here or in bugzilla.gentoo.org for
 packages marked as ~arch

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Re: [gentoo-user] ltsp woes

2006-05-05 Thread John Blinka


Daniel da Veiga wrote:



How are the boxes connected to the network? A hub? A switch? Router
maybe? Try using the network spot (where one of the failing boxes is
connected) with a notebook or another machine that you know has no
problems. Also check the cables and other network devices between the
boxes and the DHCP server. I doubt a software failure would get all
your boxes down at the same time.

So, its my bet, a physical problem, but I'm not an expert.



A reasonable bet, but I'll have to apologize for omitting some information:
there are two rooms of terminals each connected via hub to
the network backbone.  Both rooms have the same problem, so it's probably
not network hardware.  I've seen this sort of problem before arise from
ltsp software configuration, so software problems at the server can 
bring all

the terminals down.  Between the time when the server was working and the
time it stopped working, I have probably upgraded some portion of the
ltsp package.  I'm wondering whether I inadvertently clobbered part of the
working configuration when I did so.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Waaaaaay [OT] Windoze back-up. Sorry to ask. :-(


On 05/05/06, Teresa and Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This is the home edition and ping was not there before.  I just
reinstalled it, it crashed, I may give it another go.  Maybe this
install has it.


The home edition also has the ping command.  Bring up the c: prompt
and ping your Linux box address.  Also, netstat -ano will show you
which ip addresses your windoze box is connected to.

On the other hand, why does it crash?  Are you sure it is an OS
problem and not a hardware problem?  These days a properly configured
and patched Windoze box should be pretty stable.

PS.  Block 135-139, 445 and 3389 ports to/from the Internet at the LAN
periphery.  Otherwise, your box could get backdoored before you even
had a chance to run any M$Windoze updates.  ;-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] ISSUE: ivman error after emerge!

2006-05-05 Thread Teresa and Dale

Christopher E wrote:

 Hello All,

 I am geting this error after emergeing ivman and type in this command
 as follows:

 /etc/init.d/ivman start

  snip 

 * to try and fix this.
 * Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
 * Could not get dependency info for ivman!
 * Please run:

 *   # /sbin/depscan.sh

 * to try and fix this.
 * Starting Automounter ...

 I also get this when starting the computer as I have aded it to the
 rc-update as default

 As it surgessted to run /sbin/depscan.sh I just get a prompte and NO
 out put at all

 PLEASE help if you know what is wrong and how to fix this issue!!

 Sincerely,
 Christopher


Try this:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-3201035.html#3201035

That should help, we hope.

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] Waaaaaay [OT] Windoze back-up. Sorry to ask. :-(

2006-05-05 Thread Teresa and Dale

Mick wrote:

 On 05/05/06, Teresa and Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is the home edition and ping was not there before.  I just
 reinstalled it, it crashed, I may give it another go.  Maybe this
 install has it.


 The home edition also has the ping command.  Bring up the c: prompt
 and ping your Linux box address.  Also, netstat -ano will show you
 which ip addresses your windoze box is connected to.


That was where I went and it said it was not there on the old install. 
I'll try later on the new install.  Maybe, just maybe it will be there.


 On the other hand, why does it crash?  Are you sure it is an OS
 problem and not a hardware problem?  These days a properly configured
 and patched Windoze box should be pretty stable.


It had a bug, she tried to fix it and deleted something.  Boat anchor
after that.  O_O


 PS.  Block 135-139, 445 and 3389 ports to/from the Internet at the LAN
 periphery.  Otherwise, your box could get backdoored before you even
 had a chance to run any M$Windoze updates.  ;-)
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 Regards,
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I think most if not all my problem is the Linksys router.  I don't think
I have it set up to let the two systems connect to each other.  I'm not
sure where to even start either.  She lost the book to the thing.  I did
trial and error to get the internet working.

 sighs 

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] Playing Audio and DVD cds!!!


 mplayer dvd://
 what is this and where do I do this?
From any console/terminal you just type it...


OK when I do this, I am able to play DVDs in xine, mplayer, totem!
mplayer dvd://
totem dvd://
xine dvd://


Well, I don't know much of gnome/had/dbus/automounter etc, but right
now I would be happy if you were able to use those apps to lauch audio
and DVDs.


OK, as mentioned above I can with the command line NOT through open
using the program its self


Ok, let me gather some more info. When you play it with xine you see
no errors right? When trying to play it with xmms or mplayer, what you
get? Does the timer goes as it is playing and no sound, does it
freezes, it simply do nothing?


when playing it in cd player (gnomes default) I get the metadata and
then click play its button changes then it goes back to the play
button as if there was no music on the cd

OK any other questions that would help please ask me :-)

Sincerely,
Christopoher

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Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-x11 7.0 or 6.8. What of then is better ?


On 05/05/06, Allan Spagnol Comar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

thanks for the explanation.

On 5/5/06, Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 5/4/06, Allan Spagnol Comar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 if not, wait for it to get stable, this MAY save you some
 trouble. The real question here is: If it ain't broke, why fix it?
 Specially cause the fix may break it... ;)


On the other hand, this is a new installation.  It's not as if months
of configuring and setting your desktop are going to be lost (they
wouldn't be lost anyway, even if you were trying this on an older
installation).  If I were you and I had time to play with setting up
twice over, I would probably give it a go - you only have time to lose
and some bandwidth for the downloads if it doesn't work.  Just add it
to your package.keywords and try it out.

However, please note that on my desktop I am using stable!
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Re: [gentoo-user] ISSUE: ivman error after emerge!


Hello there,

I did this to fix the issue, thanks for your post as it is what help
me find this:

/sbin/depscan.sh --update  when I did it last time I did not have
the --update on ti

Sincerely,
Christopher


On 5/5/06, Teresa and Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Christopher E wrote:

 Hello All,

 I am geting this error after emergeing ivman and type in this command
 as follows:

 /etc/init.d/ivman start

  snip 

 * to try and fix this.
 * Re-caching dependency info (mtimes differ)...
 * Could not get dependency info for ivman!
 * Please run:

 *   # /sbin/depscan.sh

 * to try and fix this.
 * Starting Automounter ...

 I also get this when starting the computer as I have aded it to the
 rc-update as default

 As it surgessted to run /sbin/depscan.sh I just get a prompte and NO
 out put at all

 PLEASE help if you know what is wrong and how to fix this issue!!

 Sincerely,
 Christopher


Try this:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-3201035.html#3201035

That should help, we hope.

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] Waaaaaay [OT] Windoze back-up. Sorry to ask. :-(


On 05/05/06, Teresa and Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I think most if not all my problem is the Linksys router.  I don't think
I have it set up to let the two systems connect to each other.  I'm not
sure where to even start either.  She lost the book to the thing.  I did
trial and error to get the internet working.

 sighs 


Hmm, I know the feeling!  :-))

I guess you could try the Linksys website for a pdf or online manual? 
I'm afraid I haven't ever used linksys to be able to help you.


Good luck.  :-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] ipw2200 chipset mini wireless card

2006-05-05 Thread Jure Varlec

On Friday 05 May 2006 15:52, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
 Does anyone really know what the difference is? I originally used the
 ebuilds because I could only assume that they will be more up to date.
 But now I realize that new kernels come out pretty quick so I don't
 think this is the case. Anyone have insight?

For me, both worked well for normal usage. However, the in-kernel drivers 
didn't support monitor mode too well (or at all), i.e. kismet didn't work. I 
think firmware was the real culprit, but I'm not sure. Anyways, ebuild 
drivers and firmware 3.0 work perfectly.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Playing Audio and DVD cds!!!


On 5/5/06, Christopher E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  mplayer dvd://
  what is this and where do I do this?
 From any console/terminal you just type it...

OK when I do this, I am able to play DVDs in xine, mplayer, totem!
mplayer dvd://
totem dvd://
xine dvd://



Well, configuration, there's nothing wrong with your machine, you must
understand that you don't point the mplayer or whatever software to
the location of the mounted device or to the files, you specify a
DEVICE file under /dev to be able to play CDs and DVDs. So, in the
configuration of the specific program (that seems right because you
can use the URL dvd://) you set the device (usually /dev/dvd or
/dev/cdrom YMMV) and it access the file (device) directly.


 Well, I don't know much of gnome/had/dbus/automounter etc, but right
 now I would be happy if you were able to use those apps to lauch audio
 and DVDs.

OK, as mentioned above I can with the command line NOT through open
using the program its self


Well, I'm at work now, let me get home and take a look at the programs
so I can try and figure out why you can't play. Its probably just
configuration, you may be lucky checking the man pages for the program
you want to use or the info pages, even google.



 Ok, let me gather some more info. When you play it with xine you see
 no errors right? When trying to play it with xmms or mplayer, what you
 get? Does the timer goes as it is playing and no sound, does it
 freezes, it simply do nothing?

when playing it in cd player (gnomes default) I get the metadata and
then click play its button changes then it goes back to the play
button as if there was no music on the cd


Seems a problem with the cd player. Try a command-line app very simple
like dcd (emerge dcd, then dcd -r)



OK any other questions that would help please ask me :-)


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[gentoo-user] Totem Movie Player Issue (DVD - Audio)!


Hello All,

When I try playing a DVD cd in totem I get:

a very flake totem, some times it playes and other times it does not,
one time I click on a menu in a dvd and it closed another time I got a
messeage of:
Internal GStreamer error: pad problem.  File a bug.

Now if I click on the menu Movie then click on play ... a number of
times after each clicking of the above error it then will play, this
time it tole about 5 times.

Any ideas and any one having the same kind of issues?

Sincerely,
Christopher

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Re: [gentoo-user] Playing Audio and DVD cds!!!


Hello Daniel,

It now plays in all three players, the mplayer its self play very slow
and gives issues so I am geting rid of it as it also IS not
accessibile and if there is any one out there that is using it with a
screenreader please come forth.

So far xine plays both audio and dvds fine it appears.

I can not get the totem to play audio cds or play with out being flaky
please see totem posting.

By the way I emerged latest versions of gst-plugins-base and that is
what seems to get them to work to the degree it is.

Now how do I get xine to play the stuff automatic I guess I will push
my luck LOL?

Thanks for your help!

Sincerely,
Christopher



On 5/5/06, Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 5/5/06, Christopher E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   mplayer dvd://
   what is this and where do I do this?
  From any console/terminal you just type it...

 OK when I do this, I am able to play DVDs in xine, mplayer, totem!
 mplayer dvd://
 totem dvd://
 xine dvd://


Well, configuration, there's nothing wrong with your machine, you must
understand that you don't point the mplayer or whatever software to
the location of the mounted device or to the files, you specify a
DEVICE file under /dev to be able to play CDs and DVDs. So, in the
configuration of the specific program (that seems right because you
can use the URL dvd://) you set the device (usually /dev/dvd or
/dev/cdrom YMMV) and it access the file (device) directly.

  Well, I don't know much of gnome/had/dbus/automounter etc, but right
  now I would be happy if you were able to use those apps to lauch audio
  and DVDs.

 OK, as mentioned above I can with the command line NOT through open
 using the program its self

Well, I'm at work now, let me get home and take a look at the programs
so I can try and figure out why you can't play. Its probably just
configuration, you may be lucky checking the man pages for the program
you want to use or the info pages, even google.


  Ok, let me gather some more info. When you play it with xine you see
  no errors right? When trying to play it with xmms or mplayer, what you
  get? Does the timer goes as it is playing and no sound, does it
  freezes, it simply do nothing?

 when playing it in cd player (gnomes default) I get the metadata and
 then click play its button changes then it goes back to the play
 button as if there was no music on the cd

Seems a problem with the cd player. Try a command-line app very simple
like dcd (emerge dcd, then dcd -r)


 OK any other questions that would help please ask me :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Using dhclient on Gentoo for DHCP

2006-05-05 Thread Matthew Cline


There used to be a networking howto on the gentoo website that
explained the different options for the net scripts. However, I cannot
seem to locate it anymore.


Matt

On 5/5/06, Thomas T. Veldhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What is the best way to go about doing this?

I would prefer to use dhclient over dhcpcd, as I already have it
installed and it has always worked nicely for me in the past (on BSD).
What is the best way to go about configuring this?
/etc/conf.d/net.example seemed a bit cryptic about the proper way to do
this.

Thanks in advance,

Tom Veldhouse

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Re: [gentoo-user] Using dhclient on Gentoo for DHCP

2006-05-05 Thread Matthew Cline


Ahh, here is the relavent section on dhcp:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=4chap=3#doc_chap3

On 5/5/06, Matthew Cline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There used to be a networking howto on the gentoo website that
explained the different options for the net scripts. However, I cannot
seem to locate it anymore.


Matt

On 5/5/06, Thomas T. Veldhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What is the best way to go about doing this?

 I would prefer to use dhclient over dhcpcd, as I already have it
 installed and it has always worked nicely for me in the past (on BSD).
 What is the best way to go about configuring this?
 /etc/conf.d/net.example seemed a bit cryptic about the proper way to do
 this.

 Thanks in advance,

 Tom Veldhouse

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Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble with lm_sensors.

2006-05-05 Thread Sebastián Ferrara

El  Fri, 05 May 2006 11:47:16 -0400
Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:

Hey all.

I've followed the Gentoo-Wiki HOWTO (which seems to be lacking a lot of
extra info), I've played with the lm_sensors website looking for
answers, I've been reading countless pages of RTFM, and what not - I'm
just slightly frustrated trying to get lm_sensors to work.


My i2c modules are loading (there may be more needed):

i2c_i801   11276  0
i2c_core   22784  3 eeprom,nvidia,i2c_i801

Any idea what I might be missing here? I'm a lm_sensor n00b.


Hello.

Sorry for my english.

Could be the kernel. In devices drivers - hardware monitoring support .

I have two extra modules:

eowyn linux # lsmod
Module  Size  Used by
it87   19172  2 
hwmon_vid   2240  1 it87
i2c_isa 3264  1 it87
i2c_sis96x  4676  0 


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