Re: [gentoo-user] Strange grub problem
On Sunday 20 July 2008, Ivan Alden wrote: > When I reboot I can't > see the grub splashscreen any more but if I press enter I does boot into > my kernel. As the computer is booting the output looks all messed up > (but you can make that its initializing devices) until it reaches around > the networking devices which then corrects and works properly. ... > Does anybody have any suggestions of how to fix this? Copy a grub splash image from /usr/share/grub/ or /usr/share/splashimages/ back into your /boot/grub/ The last grub upgrade has messed up your settings without asking you - unacceptable behaviour for an ebuild. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Gentoo from USB stick
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 04:19 -0700, jalves wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 07:48:38PM -0600, Joseph wrote: > > How hard is to install Gentoo from a USB stick? Is it officially supported > > this type of installation? > > I can find instruction here and there; and some notes that is not an easy > > task. > > > > The reason I'm asking is that I'm putting a new PC together and want to get > > rid of CD all together. > > Not hard! I forget exactly what I did, but it was pretty easy > to do. > > (I don't remember all the steps, but I can tell you after I get > home if you still need to know). > > -Jeremy You can "install" gentoo from anything that can boot the livecd (I think). I've written some instructions on how to get the livecd onto a usb key - it's surprisingly simple. I used it to install this laptop :) see http://nthrbldyblg.blogspot.com/2008/06/gentoo-linux-live-usb-key.html I would appreciate any suggestions and improvements to the steps, if you end up trying it. HTH, -- Iain Buchanan The truth will set you free. Unless Chuck Norris has you, in which case, forget it buddy!
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange grub problem
Ivan Alden schrieb: Hi, My laptop ran out of battery and shut off while I was using it and it seems to have done some damage to the bootloader. When I reboot I can't see the grub splashscreen any more but if I press enter I does boot into my kernel. As the computer is booting the output looks all messed up (but you can make that its initializing devices) until it reaches around the networking devices which then corrects and works properly. I've tried reconfiguring grub with root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) Does anybody have any suggestions of how to fix this? Thanks. Maybe it is this grub splashimage problem. If so, see for grub "emerge make boot screen and others unreadable" in this mailing list. If not, I am sorry, don't know an answer. KH
Re: [gentoo-user] Grub on a new disk
Florian Philipp schrieb: On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:08:29 +0100 Mick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just in case, you may want to try this: # grub <--Also use --no-floppy if it hangs probing a floppy drive that doesn't exist--> grub> root (hd2,0) <--If your /boot drive is e.g. in /dev/hdd1)--> grub> setup (hd0) <--This will re-install GRUB in the MBR grub> of /dev/hda--> quit If this does not help then I am not sure what else might fix it. I thought I had already done this but just to make sure, I've done it again - no effect. If there is really some kind to self-test going on, it's invisible to smartctl. A short self-test showed no errors, either. I'll look out for firmware updates for that disk and will buy a small SD/MMC/CF-card for testing. Maybe I'll also ask the Grub-guys whether they have any ideas. Thanks anyway! At least I know it's not just me who is confused by this behavior. A small update: I moved grub to a floppy while keeping the kernel images on disk. This solved my problem. Grub's bootup is now only limited by floppy I/O-speed. I'll use a cheap CF-card as a more permanent replacement. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C
Dirk Heinrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ locale >> LANG=en_DK.UTF-8 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ locale -a >> en_DK.utf8 > > And you don't see the difference? But... przehyba ~ # cat /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED | grep en | grep DK en_DK.UTF-8 UTF-8 en_DK ISO-8859-1 przehyba ~ # So why 'locale -a' tells me that the available locale has "utf8" at the end, while the file in /usr/share/i18n/ tells me its capital leters "UTF-8"? And all documentation I can remember tells me to use ".UTF-8", I've never in my life seen ".utf8" before, I use locales with ".UTF-8" ending on Debian since ages, why here is this strange lowercase "utf8" in one place, and how did it happen to get there? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?part=1&chap=6 tells to use capital "UTF-8" http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/utf-8.xml shows that 'locale -a' should output capital "UTF-8" However I still don't know how to solve the problem, I changed the text in /etc/env.d/02locale to "en_DK.utf8", then run env-update && source /etc/profile and rebooted the machine after that just to be sure, but that didn't fix the problem - UTF-8 files don't work when 'cat', and starting an xterm still shows "Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C". Only now "locale" command shows the lowercase version. I did read the above URL's, and http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xml and I am out of ideas. What a mess... and I didn't ever before anywhere enter ".utf8" ending in the locale while installing this system, nor in my life, so it's not me who messed it up! I did how all the manuals showed - uppercase .UTF-8 Is there any hope for me, or should I reinstall Gentoo from scratch, to a blank disk, and pray that my locales will work after that? However I'm sceptical that will produce any different result than I have, because I'll probably do everything exactly as I did now. -- Miernik http://miernik.name/
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange grub problem
Thanks its fixed. I guess it was coincidence I lost power at the same time to this issue. I appreciate the help. Ivan On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 01:24 -0500, Dale wrote: > Ivan Alden wrote: > > Hi, > > > > My laptop ran out of battery and shut off while I was using it and it > > seems to have done some damage to the bootloader. When I reboot I can't > > see the grub splashscreen any more but if I press enter I does boot into > > my kernel. As the computer is booting the output looks all messed up > > (but you can make that its initializing devices) until it reaches around > > the networking devices which then corrects and works properly. > > > > I've tried reconfiguring grub with > > root (hd0,0) > > setup (hd0) > > > > Does anybody have any suggestions of how to fix this? > > > > Thanks. > > > > This was discussed over the past day or so. If I recall correctly the > splash image has been moved by some package update. Just check that > everything your grub boot line points to is actually there. > > If you need more info, I can search through my old emails and find the > fixes for you. > > Dale > > :-) :-) :-) >
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange grub problem
Ivan Alden wrote: > Hi, > > My laptop ran out of battery and shut off while I was using it and it > seems to have done some damage to the bootloader. When I reboot I can't > see the grub splashscreen any more but if I press enter I does boot into > my kernel. As the computer is booting the output looks all messed up > (but you can make that its initializing devices) until it reaches around > the networking devices which then corrects and works properly. > > I've tried reconfiguring grub with > root (hd0,0) > setup (hd0) > > Does anybody have any suggestions of how to fix this? > > Thanks. Hello Ivan, I had just yesterday exactly the same problem, not because my laptop runs out of battery, but because of full system update. I do it only once a week. Anyway. I could fix it in the following way: - Switch off your laptop and wait some seconds. - Start your laptop - Boot your kernel, you have to imaging on which position in the boot menu this one is - after the machine is up and running - emerge -av grub - reboot and it should be fine That's it. Hope I could help W. Canis signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange grub problem
Ivan Alden wrote: Thanks its fixed. I guess it was coincidence I lost power at the same time to this issue. I appreciate the help. Ivan On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 01:24 -0500, Dale wrote: Ivan Alden wrote: Hi, My laptop ran out of battery and shut off while I was using it and it seems to have done some damage to the bootloader. When I reboot I can't see the grub splashscreen any more but if I press enter I does boot into my kernel. As the computer is booting the output looks all messed up (but you can make that its initializing devices) until it reaches around the networking devices which then corrects and works properly. I've tried reconfiguring grub with root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) Does anybody have any suggestions of how to fix this? Thanks. This was discussed over the past day or so. If I recall correctly the splash image has been moved by some package update. Just check that everything your grub boot line points to is actually there. If you need more info, I can search through my old emails and find the fixes for you. Dale :-) :-) :-) Your welcome. Just a normal reboot would have helped that "issue" come out of the dark too. You are not alone in having that happen. Glad you got it sorted. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange grub problem
Oh sorry, _very_ _important_ : Mount your boot partition _before_ you emerge grub. W. Canis signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Installation: help me set up my keyboard, please.
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 23:39 +0200, Sebastian Günther wrote: > Maybe you have just what the Germans call "Ein Brett vorm Kopf" Brett is a worm head? What have you got against Brett? ;) -- Iain Buchanan What is the robbing of a bank compared to the founding of a bank? -- Bertold Brecht
[gentoo-user] .config/audacious/config is getting big!
Hi, I was wandering what is taking away my hdd space. Now I found: du -h .config/audacious/config 160G.config/audacious/config What is this file good for? I don't think a config file should be that big. Can I delete it without trouble? KH
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange grub problem
On Sunday 20 July 2008, Wolf Canis wrote: > Oh sorry, > > _very_ _important_ : > > Mount your boot partition _before_ you emerge grub. I believe that the grub ebuild mounts it for you, messes up your grub.conf and carries on with its business . . . -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] .config/audacious/config is getting big!
KH schrieb: Hi, I was wandering what is taking away my hdd space. Now I found: du -h .config/audacious/config 160G.config/audacious/config What is this file good for? I don't think a config file should be that big. Can I delete it without trouble? KH What's writen in the file? mine is 4k and contains standard config stuff. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] .config/audacious/config is getting big!
Justin schrieb: KH schrieb: Hi, I was wandering what is taking away my hdd space. Now I found: du -h .config/audacious/config 160G.config/audacious/config What is this file good for? I don't think a config file should be that big. Can I delete it without trouble? KH What's writen in the file? mine is 4k and contains standard config stuff. Hi, the beginning is doesn't look to bad than it seems to repeat: soft_volume=FALSE volume_left=100 period_time=100 pcm_device=default mixer_card=0 mixer_device=PCM just for ever. Could someone mail a "normal" config to replace mine? KH
Re: [gentoo-user] .config/audacious/config is getting big!
just for ever. Could someone mail a "normal" config to replace mine? KH [sndstretch] volume_corr=FALSE short_overlap=FALSE speed=1.69349 pitch=0.775572 [echo_plugin] enable_surround=FALSE volume=50 feedback=50 delay=500 [statusicon] ew_visib_prevstatus=FALSE pw_visib_prevstatus=TRUE mw_visib_prevstatus=TRUE scroll_action=0 rclick_menu=0 [CDDA] cddbhttp=FALSE debug=FALSE cddbport=0 cddbserver=freedb.org use_cddb=TRUE use_cdtext=TRUE limitspeed=1 [rootvis2] data_fps=30 data_linearity=0.33 data_div=4 data_cutoff=180 peak_shadow=0 peak_color=#ff88 peak_step=5 peak_falloff=4 peak_enabled=1 bar_shadow_color=#0066 bar_bevel_color=#00ff00ff bar_color_4=#e6ff6422 bar_color_3=#e6ff6433 bar_color_2=#e6ff6455 bar_color_1=#e6ff6466 bar_gradient=1 bar_bevel=0 bar_shadow=0 bar_falloff=5 bar_width=8 geometry_space=2 geometry_height=40 geometry_orientation=1 geometry_posy=52 geometry_posx=520 [rootvis] data_fps=30 data_linearity=0.33 data_div=4 data_cutoff=180 peak_shadow=0 peak_color=#ffdd peak_step=5 peak_falloff=4 peak_enabled=1 bar_shadow_color=#0066 bar_bevel_color=#00ff00ff bar_color_4=#a3c422ff bar_color_3=#b8dd27ff bar_color_2=#cdf62bff bar_color_1=#e6ff64ff bar_gradient=1 bar_bevel=0 bar_shadow=1 bar_falloff=5 bar_width=8 geometry_space=1 geometry_height=50 geometry_orientation=0 geometry_posy=1 geometry_posx=520 stereo=1 debug=0 [audacious] enabled_gplugins=statusicon.so remember_jtf_entry=TRUE url_history_length=0 filesel_path=/home/justin/mnt/music output_plugin=/usr/lib/audacious/Output/ALSA.so skin=/usr/share/audacious/Skins/Default equalizer_band9=-2.4 equalizer_band8=0 equalizer_band7=0 equalizer_band6=0 equalizer_band5=0 equalizer_band4=0 equalizer_band3=0 equalizer_band2=0 equalizer_band1=0 equalizer_band0=0 equalizer_preamp=0 cover_name_exclude=back generic_title_format=${?artist:${artist} - }${?album:${album} - }${title} eqpreset_extension=preset eqpreset_default_file=dir_default.preset mainwin_font=Sans Bold 9 playlist_font=Sans Bold 8 mainwin_use_xfont=FALSE colorize_b=255 colorize_g=255 colorize_r=255 filepopup_delay=20 filepopup_pixelsize=150 recurse_for_cover_depth=0 output_buffer_size=750 resume_playback_on_startup_time=-1 titlestring_preset=2 scroll_pl_by=3 mouse_wheel_change=8 pause_between_songs_time=2 snap_distance=10 equalizer_y=141 equalizer_x=1105 playlist_position=202 playlist_height=551 playlist_width=300 playlist_y=25 playlist_x=1380 peaks_falloff=1 analyzer_falloff=3 vis_refresh_rate=0 voiceprint_mode=2 vu_mode=1 scope_mode=0 analyzer_type=1 analyzer_mode=0 vis_type=2 timer_mode=0 player_y=25 player_x=1105 warn_about_broken_gtk_engines=TRUE software_volume_control=FALSE twoway_scroll=TRUE close_jtf_dialog=TRUE filepopup_showprogressbar=TRUE use_extension_probing=TRUE use_xmms_style_fileselector=FALSE use_file_cover=FALSE recurse_for_cover=FALSE show_filepopup_for_tuple=TRUE playlist_detect=TRUE resume_playback_on_startup=FALSE close_dialog_add=TRUE close_dialog_open=TRUE custom_cursors=TRUE analyzer_peaks=TRUE eq_extra_filtering=TRUE show_wm_decorations=FALSE pause_between_songs=FALSE random_skin_on_play=FALSE sticky=FALSE always_on_top=FALSE use_eplugins=FALSE easy_move=FALSE equalizer_autoload=FALSE equalizer_shaded=FALSE equalizer_active=FALSE equalizer_visible=FALSE use_fontsets=FALSE playlist_visible=TRUE playlist_shaded=FALSE stop_after_current_song=FALSE autoscroll_songname=TRUE doublesize=FALSE repeat=FALSE shuffle=TRUE player_visible=TRUE player_shaded=FALSE use_backslash_as_dir_delimiter=FALSE warn_about_win_visibility=FALSE use_pl_metadata=TRUE sort_jump_to_file=FALSE refresh_file_list=TRUE no_playlist_advance=FALSE eq_doublesize_linked=TRUE get_info_on_demand=TRUE get_info_on_load=FALSE dim_titlebar=TRUE save_window_positions=TRUE snap_windows=TRUE show_separator_in_pl=TRUE show_numbers_in_pl=TRUE convert_slash=TRUE convert_twenty=TRUE convert_underscore=TRUE always_show_cb=TRUE use_realtime=FALSE allow_multiple_instances=FALSE enable_src=FALSE [ALSA] buffer_time=500 period_time=100 pcm_device=default mixer_card=0 mixer_device=PCM volume_left=100 volume_right=100 [AudioCompress] anticlip=FALSE target=0 gainmax=0 gainsmooth=0 buckets=0 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [solved] .config/audacious/config is getting big!
Justin schrieb: just for ever. Could someone mail a "normal" config to replace mine? KH Thanks. It's OK now. KH
[gentoo-user] Re: [solved] .config/audacious/config is getting big!
KH wrote: Justin schrieb: just for ever. Could someone mail a "normal" config to replace mine? KH Thanks. It's OK now. I recommend doing a full fsck at this point. The problem might have been due to a filesystem error rather than application bug or user error. If you have a separate partition for home: touch /home/forcefsck if you don't have /home on its own partition: touch /forcefsck and reboot. "Better safe than sorry" ;)
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange grub problem
same here with the latest grub update on x86. setting the console font restores normal operation during the boot process. t Ivan Alden wrote: Hi, My laptop ran out of battery and shut off while I was using it and it seems to have done some damage to the bootloader. When I reboot I can't see the grub splashscreen any more but if I press enter I does boot into my kernel. As the computer is booting the output looks all messed up (but you can make that its initializing devices) until it reaches around the networking devices which then corrects and works properly. I've tried reconfiguring grub with root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) Does anybody have any suggestions of how to fix this? Thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange grub problem
Mick wrote: > On Sunday 20 July 2008, Wolf Canis wrote: >> Oh sorry, >> >> _very_ _important_ : >> >> Mount your boot partition _before_ you emerge grub. > > I believe that the grub ebuild mounts it for you, messes up your grub.conf > and > carries on with its business . . . So far I that now, is that now changed. You have to mount it before you emerge grub. The following is from the ebuild grub-0.97-r6.ebuild: -- Quote begin - pkg_postinst() { if [[ -n ${DONT_MOUNT_BOOT} ]]; then elog "WARNING: you have DONT_MOUNT_BOOT in effect, so you must apply" elog "the following instructions for your /boot!" elog "Neglecting to do so may cause your system to fail to boot!" elog else setup_boot_dir "${ROOT}"/boot # Trailing output because if this is run from pkg_postinst, it gets mixed into # the other output. einfo "" fi elog "To interactively install grub files to another device such as a USB" elog "stick, just run the following and specify the directory as prompted:" elog " emerge --config =${PF}" elog "Alternately, you can export GRUB_ALT_INSTALLDIR=/path/to/use to tell" elog "grub where to install in a non-interactive way." } -- Quote end -- W. Canis signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] emacs and asian languages
I'm using emacs.22.1 and it's having trouble displaying asian languages, specifically chinese and korean. From the menus, using Options//Mule//ShowMultiLingualText, displays Japanese correctly but shows boxes for Chinese and Korean characters. Similarly, I've got a HelloWorld.java program that displays "Hello World" in English, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. This file displays perfectly using Eclipse. Emacs displays the japanese characters without any problem. 4 of the 5 chinese characters are displayed properly, with the 5th showing as a box. All 8 korean characters show up as boxes. FWIW, the strings show up properly in my mail reader (Claws-Mail). The strings are: zh: "" ja: "_" ko: " __" Can anybody identfy what's wrong and point me toward a solution? Thanks. David
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C
Am Sonntag, 20. Juli 2008 schrieb Miernik: > Dirk Heinrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ locale > >> LANG=en_DK.UTF-8 > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ locale -a > >> en_DK.utf8 > > > > And you don't see the difference? > > But... > > przehyba ~ # cat /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED | grep en | grep DK > en_DK.UTF-8 UTF-8 > en_DK ISO-8859-1 > przehyba ~ # > > So why 'locale -a' tells me that the available locale has "utf8" at the > end, while the file in /usr/share/i18n/ tells me its capital leters > "UTF-8"? And all documentation I can remember tells me to use ".UTF-8", > I've never in my life seen ".utf8" before, I use locales with ".UTF-8" > ending on Debian since ages, why here is this strange lowercase "utf8" > in one place, and how did it happen to get there? OK, you're right. A little bit of further reading (German Gentoo UTF8 Howto) revealed that they should both be equivalent. > UTF-8 files don't work when 'cat' Are you sure these files are really utf8 files? What does the "file" command tell you about those files. Maybe you need to run iconv on them, first. > , and starting an xterm > still shows "Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C". > Only now "locale" command shows the lowercase version. This is a different thing, look at http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90972 HTH... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange grub problem
On Sunday 20 July 2008, Wolf Canis wrote: > Mick wrote: > > On Sunday 20 July 2008, Wolf Canis wrote: > >> Oh sorry, > >> > >> _very_ _important_ : > >> > >> Mount your boot partition _before_ you emerge grub. > > > > I believe that the grub ebuild mounts it for you, messes up your > > grub.conf and carries on with its business . . . > > So far I that now, is that now changed. You have to mount it before > you emerge grub. The following is from the ebuild grub-0.97-r6.ebuild: Good! That's the preferred behaviour. It shouldn't really mess things up without asking. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] 20008 install problem: "Could not find the root block device in ."
Hi, I just downloaded install-amd64-minimal-2008.0.iso, burned it, and tried to boot&install. But during boot-up, a message comes: >> Determining root device... !! Could not find the root block device in . Please specify another value or: press Enter for the same, type "shell" for a shell, or "q" to skip... root block device() :: _ What am I supposed to do??? It is a common pc, with Asus mobo (nForce4 chipset), 2x sata-disk, 1x sata-dvd, nvidia graphics. Everything correctly detected in bios and during boot-up. On the same computer, I could install gentoo-2007 last year, but unfortunatelly disk has died, so I had to replace it and install again... Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". What does this mean?
On Saturday 19 July 2008, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >> The default in new kernels is to only use /dev/sd*. > > > > I'm totally confused. Doesn't "sd*" mean "SCSI disk drive"? When I was > > installing Gentoo from the CD, I had to mount my main hard drive as > > /dev/sdb5. When I built my own kernel, it needed /dev/hdh5. > > > > This seems crazy. Is it documented anywhere in Gentoo? > > Not sure. But if you have /dev/hd* instead of /dev/sd*, it means you > configured your kernel with the legacy IDE drivers instead of the new > (P)ATA drivers. The new drivers use /dev/sd* (for IDE/PATA/SATA and > SCSI alike; there's no difference anymore.) > > The CD/DVD-ROM can show up as /dev/sd* even with the old legacy drivers > if you have enable "SCSI Emulation" for it. > > In any event, try to build a new kernel using the new drivers. The old > legacy driver you're using will probably get declared "deprecated" at > some point (if it didn't happen already). > > To enable the new drivers, first disable the legacy drivers. ("Device > Drivers" section): > > < > ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support ---> > > Now enable the new drivers: > > <*> Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers ---> > > Enter that section and pick your chipset. Don't enable the: > > < > Generic ATA support > > unless you can't find a native driver for your chipset (I doubt you have > some extremely rare/exotic mainboard ;) What would be the recommended way of upgrading from the /dev/hd to /dev/sd then? I have held back doing this because I didn't have the time to mess about with it. If I were to configure a new kernel without legacy ATA drivers, how would I know what my devices will be seen as in advance, so that I can change my /etc/fstab before I reboot? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange grub problem
Mick wrote: > On Sunday 20 July 2008, Wolf Canis wrote: >> Mick wrote: >>> On Sunday 20 July 2008, Wolf Canis wrote: Oh sorry, _very_ _important_ : Mount your boot partition _before_ you emerge grub. >>> I believe that the grub ebuild mounts it for you, messes up your >>> grub.conf and carries on with its business . . . >> So far I that now, is that now changed. You have to mount it before >> you emerge grub. The following is from the ebuild grub-0.97-r6.ebuild: > > Good! That's the preferred behaviour. It shouldn't really mess things up > without asking. Yeh, you are right, but that seems not always to be true. :-( signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". What does this mean?
Hi, Nikos! On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:29:19AM +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >>The default in new kernels is to only use /dev/sd*. > >I'm totally confused. Doesn't "sd*" mean "SCSI disk drive"? When I was > >installing Gentoo from the CD, I had to mount my main hard drive as > >/dev/sdb5. When I built my own kernel, it needed /dev/hdh5. > >This seems crazy. Is it documented anywhere in Gentoo? > Not sure. But if you have /dev/hd* instead of /dev/sd*, it means you > configured your kernel with the legacy IDE drivers instead of the new > (P)ATA drivers. The new drivers use /dev/sd* (for IDE/PATA/SATA and > SCSI alike; there's no difference anymore.) This was indeed the case. > The CD/DVD-ROM can show up as /dev/sd* even with the old legacy drivers > if you have enable "SCSI Emulation" for it. > In any event, try to build a new kernel using the new drivers. The old > legacy driver you're using will probably get declared "deprecated" at > some point (if it didn't happen already). [ Detailed instructions snipped - but they were appreciated and followed :-] Did this. It mapped my two hard drives (previously /dev/hd[gh]) to /dev/sd[ab], and created /dev/sda, dev/sda1, . So far, so good. However, it hadn't created /dev/sda16 or /dev/sda17 for some reason. A quick # ls -l /dev/sd{a15,b} gives: ... 8, 15 /dev/sda15 ... 8, 16 /dev/sdb In a philosophical mood, one might say that the new "unified", "enhanced", "better" IDE support is inadequate for my setup. What I actually said, I'm not going to repeat in a public mailing list. So the kernel guys have decided that nobody would ever want more than 15 partitions on a drive. It's a bit like the old MS-DOS restriction to 512 MB all over again. Hey, guys, hard drives nowadays are like 200 gig, not 512meg. What's so wrong about having partitions with sizes 1Gb, 2Gb, 4Gb, with maybe 100Mb for a boot partition? >< > Generic ATA support > unless you can't find a native driver for your chipset (I doubt you have > some extremely rare/exotic mainboard ;) The HPT370A UDMA100 chip (with my two hard drives) was no problem. For the VIA VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C "ordinary" IDE chip (the one with my two DVD drives attached), I tried configuring "VIA", which didn't work. Then I rebuilt the kernel again with "Generic ATA support", which didn't work either. Both of these created /dev/sdc and /dev/sdc1, but no /dev/sdd. When I tried # mount -t iso9660 /dev/sdc /cdrom, I got the "something's gone wrong, but we're not telling you what" error message. Trying to mount /dev/sdc1 gave exactly the same result. Actually, thinking about it, this was probably my USB stick it was trying to access. Nikos, do you happen to know the appropriate kernel mailing list where I could express the opinion that restricting the number of partitions on a drive to 15 isn't a good tradeoff? All in all, I really amn't impressed with this "modern" drive support. Besides quartering the max number of partitions on a drive, it confuses IDE and SCSI drives, thus confusing me, too. Previously, when I attached devices to the IDE1 socket, I knew they would appear at /dev/hd[cd]. Now, it would seem, the kernel assigns drives at random to /dev/sd[abcd...], so you can only determine by experiment which devices are at which "device". Nothing personal, Nikos. ;-) I think I need to go back to the traditional IDE handling. None of the Gentoo kernels I've built have even seen my two DVD drives, yet. I'll get there, somehow. Thanks! -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] 2.6.26, rtc problem
=== On Saturday 19 July 2008, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: === .. > At first, I frustrated with situation when I can not manage such things > :-) Then, I don't understand the reason of the problem. And yet don't > know is rtc_cmos the most appropriate choice. In accordance with http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232343 - will anybody be so kind to attach (or send using direct emailing) ~amd64/x86_64/gentoo-sources-2.6.26 .config file with the CONFIG_GEN_RTC set? I have not found this flag in menuconfig - probably there are some dependencies I can not recognize. Andrew
Re: [gentoo-user] 20008 install problem: "Could not find the root block device in ."
Jarry wrote: Hi, I just downloaded install-amd64-minimal-2008.0.iso, burned it, and tried to boot&install. But during boot-up, a message comes: >> Determining root device... !! Could not find the root block device in . Please specify another value or: press Enter for the same, type "shell" for a shell, or "q" to skip... root block device() :: _ What am I supposed to do??? It is a common pc, with Asus mobo (nForce4 chipset), 2x sata-disk, 1x sata-dvd, nvidia graphics. Everything correctly detected in bios and during boot-up. On the same computer, I could install gentoo-2007 last year, but unfortunatelly disk has died, so I had to replace it and install again... Jarry If the 2007 cd worked then use that one. It doesn't matter what cd you start from, only that you get started. For that matter (as people always say) you can boot off of knoppix or the lfs (linux from scratch) disk. The only thing the cd does for you is provide a working linux environment that you can chroot from to install gentoo. -- Eric Martin Key fingerprint = D1C4 086E DBB5 C18E 6FDA B215 6A25 7174 A941 3B9F signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Curious ping problem with no FW
On Monday 14 July 2008, Harry Putnam wrote: > I've had a problem with being able to ping out to the internet from my > gentoo box, while at the same time I'm able to ping outbound from > several windows boxes on same home lan. > > I don't run a firewall at all from linux but do have a Netgear > switch/router/Firewall upstream between me and the internet cable > modem. [snip..] > My router/fw can be set to deny specific machines outbound traffic but > that is not done in this case. So the solution must reside somewhere > in my gentoo install. It may be worth checking your router's firewall rules once more. Is the gentoo box connected to the router in the same fashion as the MSWindows boxen, or is it in some funny DMZ set up? What do the firewall logs show? > What things should I be checking. If as you say you have no firewall on the Gentoo box then you ought to have a quick look at your kernel. Use sysclt: /sbin/sysctl -a and look at your settings probably for net.ipv4.icmp_* or your specific NIC. > A ping attempt like this: > > ping ftp.ucsb.edu > PING ftp.ucsb.edu (128.111.24.43) 56(84) bytes of data. > > Just never moves any further, but you can see it has resolved the > alpha address to numeric forum so must have contacted and received > info from the nameserver. Or from your router if it acts as a caching DNS resolver? Unless you have configured your Gentoo kernel in a way that I am not sure is possible, my money would go on something being amiss with the router firewall settings. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] 20008 install problem: "Could not find the root block device in ."
Eric Martin wrote: Jarry wrote: Hi, I just downloaded install-amd64-minimal-2008.0.iso, burned it, and tried to boot&install. But during boot-up, a message comes: >> Determining root device... !! Could not find the root block device in . Please specify another value or: press Enter for the same, type "shell" for a shell, or "q" to skip... root block device() :: _ What am I supposed to do??? It is a common pc, with Asus mobo (nForce4 chipset), 2x sata-disk, 1x sata-dvd, nvidia graphics. Everything correctly detected in bios and during boot-up. On the same computer, I could install gentoo-2007 last year, but unfortunatelly disk has died, so I had to replace it and install again... Jarry If the 2007 cd worked then use that one. It doesn't matter what cd you start from, only that you get started. For that matter (as people always say) you can boot off of knoppix or the lfs (linux from scratch) disk. The only thing the cd does for you is provide a working linux environment that you can chroot from to install gentoo. Of course, make sure you get the tarballs off the internet if you use a CD that old. If you use the tarballs off the CD, you will have a lot of upgrades to do and it could be . . . messy. Other than that, it doesn't matter what CD you use as Eric said. I wonder of it could be done from the Mandrake install CD? It is bootable and gives a command line. LOL Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Good Library Management software
Dirk Uys wrote: Other than that there is also the added complexity to the installation. You have to create a user in the database, create the database and grant the user all the needed permission to that specific database. And what if one app prefers mySQL and another one postgreSQL? Now I need to run two database servers that will be quite capable to fill the data needs of two small businesses just because I want to use a music player and a library utility for my ~50 books laying around. I can see your point and in many ways I agree. The issue is that local data storage limits the application in larger environments. A db provides a ready made and easily understandable way for multiple machines to read and write data. Being a large IT shop person I tend to avoid anything that does not use a db since it's unlikely that I will be able to use it at a job in the future. Nothing worse than having www07 go down and take the company blog with it because we couldn't run the blog software on all ten machines because it had to use local storage. Additionally it's easier to backup one db cluster than twenty odd applications. I can recommend a few things to make dealing with a db easier. 1. Settle on Mysql, 99% of anything you'll install can use it. 2. However apps that can use more than one database backened are *always* better written, more mature, and is usually a sign that the schema has been designed rather than tossing data in tables. 3. Don't mess with my.cnf unless you really need to. Default Mysql serving settings spec about 100MB of RAM usage which should be plenty for local apps with small storage needs. 4. Spend an hour learning about how your db works and come up with a system for user accounts and database names. I always do something like this in Mysql: create database kash_gallery2; grant all privileges on kash_gallery2.* to [EMAIL PROTECTED] identified by 'mys3cr3tp2ss'; This way I know that only the kash_gallery2 user can access the kash_gallery2 db. I also know that kash_gallery2 is my Gallery install and not someone else's. I can easily add kash_gallery3 when a new version comes out and don't have to worry about how to deal with db 'gallery' which I think is the default. You'll have to change the settings in the config file of the app to reflect your changes, but that should be simple. kashani
Re: [gentoo-user] 20008 install problem: "Could not find the root block device in ."
Dale wrote: Eric Martin wrote: Jarry wrote: Hi, I just downloaded install-amd64-minimal-2008.0.iso, burned it, and tried to boot&install. But during boot-up, a message comes: >> Determining root device... !! Could not find the root block device in . Please specify another value or: press Enter for the same, type "shell" for a shell, or "q" to skip... root block device() :: _ What am I supposed to do??? It is a common pc, with Asus mobo (nForce4 chipset), 2x sata-disk, 1x sata-dvd, nvidia graphics. Everything correctly detected in bios and during boot-up. On the same computer, I could install gentoo-2007 last year, but unfortunatelly disk has died, so I had to replace it and install again... Jarry If the 2007 cd worked then use that one. It doesn't matter what cd you start from, only that you get started. For that matter (as people always say) you can boot off of knoppix or the lfs (linux from scratch) disk. The only thing the cd does for you is provide a working linux environment that you can chroot from to install gentoo. Of course, make sure you get the tarballs off the internet if you use a CD that old. If you use the tarballs off the CD, you will have a lot of upgrades to do and it could be . . . messy. Other than that, it doesn't matter what CD you use as Eric said. I wonder of it could be done from the Mandrake install CD? It is bootable and gives a command line. LOL I'll try it, but I have to download 2007 image again (I already wiped it out of my hard disk). Anyway, I would really like to know, what does that messsage mean... I switched to shell and checked /proc/partitions: it correctly shows all partitions on sda and sdb. So my hard-drives are detected. Where is the problem then??? Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] 20008 install problem: "Could not find the root block device in ."
Jarry schrieb: Hi, I just downloaded install-amd64-minimal-2008.0.iso, burned it, and tried to boot&install. But during boot-up, a message comes: >> Determining root device... !! Could not find the root block device in . Please specify another value or: press Enter for the same, type "shell" for a shell, or "q" to skip... root block device() :: _ What am I supposed to do??? It is a common pc, with Asus mobo (nForce4 chipset), 2x sata-disk, 1x sata-dvd, nvidia graphics. Everything correctly detected in bios and during boot-up. On the same computer, I could install gentoo-2007 last year, but unfortunatelly disk has died, so I had to replace it and install again... Jarry There was bug fix release for amd64. See gentoo.org the first news for more info. Perhaps this is for you. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] proper subject lines
On Monday 14 July 2008, Willie Wong wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 07:11:05PM +0200, Penguin Lover Alan McKinnon squawked: > > On Sunday 13 July 2008, Mick wrote: > > > Anyway, as others asked - how long is too long for this purpose? > > > > for obvious reasons, anything longer than 80 characters > > Just to be pedantic: > > Remember that the mailing list prepends the list name, so I think it > ought to be > > 80 - strlen("[gentoo-user] ") = 66 chars. > > And if you care about most console mail readers, take mutt for > example, the default install definitely does not use more than half of > the 80 chars screen width for displaying the subject line. So now you > are down to 40 - 14 = 26. > > Oh wait, your question may incite a big discussion with 6 levels of > replies: > > 26 - 6 * strlen("Re: ") = 2. > > Ah! I see why someone changed the subject of this thread to just "OK". > > ;-) Apologies, I was being facetious (I corrected the Subject field back to the original on this reply). There is indeed a need to write meaningful Subject lines and keep them as short as possible. However, the 80 characters that Alan suggested may be appropriate for the body of the message, but not for the Subject line which is invariably shorter. I think that as long as common sense prevails we should be able to nail this one to most participants satisfaction. PS. On the other hand one would think that common sense ought to also help to avoid top posting and html messages -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Uwe Thiem
On Wednesday 16 July 2008, Steven Lembark wrote: > > Uwe Thiem [Gentoo User 080119] : "He hit the nail on the finger". > > Suggest adding that to fortune. The least we could do in his memory. May he rest in peace. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] 20008 install problem: "Could not find the root block device in ."
Justin wrote: >> Determining root device... !! Could not find the root block device in . Please specify another value or: press Enter for the same, type "shell" for a shell, or "q" to skip... root block device() :: _ There was bug fix release for amd64. See gentoo.org the first news for more info. Perhaps this is for you. I checked it, but I do not think that bug has something to do with my problem. That bug (#230998) is a problem of live-cd, and I'm using minimal install cd. Besides, there is no updated install-cd, only live-cd. But I'll try to download 2008.0-r1 live-cd, and install with it. Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] 20008 install problem: "Could not find the root block device in ."
Jarry schrieb: Justin wrote: >> Determining root device... !! Could not find the root block device in . Please specify another value or: press Enter for the same, type "shell" for a shell, or "q" to skip... root block device() :: _ There was bug fix release for amd64. See gentoo.org the first news for more info. Perhaps this is for you. I checked it, but I do not think that bug has something to do with my problem. That bug (#230998) is a problem of live-cd, and I'm using minimal install cd. Besides, there is no updated install-cd, only live-cd. But I'll try to download 2008.0-r1 live-cd, and install with it. Jarry Hey, you are right. YOu can use the livecd like a minimal CD by adding noX to the boot cmdline. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". What does this mean?
On Sunday 20 July 2008, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > So the kernel guys have decided that nobody would ever want more than 15 > partitions on a drive. From memory I recall that this has always been the limit for SATA/SCSI drives. For ATA drives I think it is 63? Not sure if this is a Linux OS kernel restriction - what is the maximum number that MSWindows see? I would think it is the same. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] boost, vte, gnumeric get stuck in python-updater
On the two systems I've updated to python-2.5, boost, vte, and gnumeric appear as python-updater emerges no matter how many times I emerge them. Does anyone know why this happens? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] boost, vte, gnumeric get stuck in python-updater
Grant schrieb: On the two systems I've updated to python-2.5, boost, vte, and gnumeric appear as python-updater emerges no matter how many times I emerge them. Does anyone know why this happens? - Grant I've noticed the same. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232467 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Ethernet Bridging
>> I am following this guide to setup my wireless access point. >> >> http://gentoo-wiki.com/Wireless/Access_point#Bridging_the_wired_.26_wireless_segments >> >> I have my network up and running with WPA. >> >> When I configured my kernel to use bridging (compiled into the kernel, >> not >> as a module) and rebooted I got a kernel panic, It was a whole screen >> full >> of stuff. >> >> Here is some of it I manually typed out... >> >> Oops: 0002 [#1] >> Modules linked in: wlan_scan_ap ath_rate_sample ath_pci wlan ath_hal(P) >> Pid: 4033, comm:runscript.sh Tainted: P (2.6.24.7 #3) >> EIP: 0060: stuff >> EIP is at ieee80211_add country+0x8f/0xd0 [wlan] >> Stack: Bunch of numbers >> Call Trace: bunch of stuff >> Code: numbers and letters. >> kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt. >> >> Anyone know what to do? > > This kernel panic happened while loading ath0 on startup. > ok,I installed a newer kernel (2.6.25.9) and the problem went away.
Re: [gentoo-user] boost, vte, gnumeric get stuck in python-updater
Grant wrote: On the two systems I've updated to python-2.5, boost, vte, and gnumeric appear as python-updater emerges no matter how many times I emerge them. Does anyone know why this happens? - Grant I'm not sure if this is related but may be worth a try. Quoted from another email: Just make an # emerge -1 setuptools and python-updater will run smoothly If you are using gnome, also # emerge -1 gnome-doc-utils I hit the same bugs yesterday. The second one is because python-updater seems to miss it and you would get a snadbox violation. HTH Sebastian Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] tor servers being throttled?
Hi All, I am trying to find out if the pedestrian download speeds that I have been getting over the last couple of months when using tor and privoxy are related to my UK ISP DSLMax throttling, or if it is something you have observed too. Tor was usually slower than direct browsing, but the last few times I have tried using I can hardly get more than say 1.5kbps. Is there a way of troubleshooting this to see where the throttling occurs? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". What does this mean?
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:05:10 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > So the kernel guys have decided that nobody would ever want more than 15 > partitions on a drive. It's a bit like the old MS-DOS restriction to > 512 MB all over again. Hey, guys, hard drives nowadays are like 200 > gig, not 512meg. What's so wrong about having partitions with sizes > 1Gb, 2Gb, 4Gb, with maybe 100Mb for a boot partition? Nothing, which is why the kernel includes LVM, allowing you to have many more filesystems on a disk. -- Neil Bothwick c:>Press Enter to Exit signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". What does this mean?
Hi, Mick, On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 06:22:23PM +0100, Mick wrote: > On Sunday 20 July 2008, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > So the kernel guys have decided that nobody would ever want more than 15 > > partitions on a drive. > From memory I recall that this has always been the limit for SATA/SCSI > drives. For ATA drives I think it is 63? If I do # ls -l /dev/hd[gh], I get: brw-rw 1 root disk 34, 0 2005-02-26 06:43 /dev/hdg brw-rw 1 root disk 34, 64 2005-02-26 06:43 /dev/hdh , which does indeed suggest a max of 63. However, there's nothing on the disk partition structure (which is basically a chain of extended partitions across the entire disk) to limit this. > Not sure if this is a Linux OS kernel restriction - what is the maximum > number > that MSWindows see? What's MSWindows? ;-) Proabably a lot less than 63. However, the limit of 15 (which I didn't know about before) is a good reason for me not to migrate to SATA disks. I _like_ having lots of partitions ~1 - 4 Gb. It was trivial for me to clear a 4 Gb partition for a trial installation of Gentoo (which, by the way, I'm expecting to expand into my prime system - my Debian Sarge is beginning to feel very tired). Shoe horning IDE disks into the S{ATA,CSI}'s 15 partition limit seems an unkind thing to do. > Mick -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
[gentoo-user] Solved!!! [Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist"]
Hi, everybody, I've got the problem fixed. In my kernel config, I'd forgotten to include a driver for my VIA "low speed" IDE controller. I've put that in, and I can now read CDs/DVDs (and probably burn them too). I've stuck with the traditional /dev/hd[a-z] drivers for all the reasons I've ranted about in other posts. Thanks indeed to everybody who helped me get sorted! -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
[gentoo-user] Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". What does this mean?
Mick wrote: [...] What would be the recommended way of upgrading from the /dev/hd to /dev/sd then? I have held back doing this because I didn't have the time to mess about with it. If I were to configure a new kernel without legacy ATA drivers, how would I know what my devices will be seen as in advance, so that I can change my /etc/fstab before I reboot? The way I do it, is to label my partitions. If your partitions aren't labeled yet, you can do so with 'tune2fs'. If your /dev/hda1 is your root (/), /dev/hda2 your /home and /dev/hda3 your swap, you can label them with: tune2fs -L GentooRoot /dev/hda1 tune2fs -L GentooHome /dev/hda2 mkswap -L GentooSwap /dev/hda3 Then edit /etc/fstab and change the mount points from: /dev/hda1 ... /dev/hda2 ... /dev/hda3 ... to: /dev/disk/by-label/GentooRoot /dev/disk/by-label/GentooHome /dev/disk/by-label/GentooSwap As reference, here the relevant entries in my own /etc/fstab: /dev/disk/by-label/GentooRoot / ext3noatime 0 1 /dev/disk/by-label/GentooSwap none swapsw 0 0 /dev/disk/by-label/Suckage/windows/C ntfs-3g noatime 0 0 As you can see this even works for NTFS; you use the label you gave the drive in Windows. After you've done these changes, it doesn't matter the least anymore what the actual device name is. You can even move the harddisk to another computer (actually I'm doing exactly that) that totally results in a re-ordering of /dev/sd* entries and it will still mount correctly.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". What does this mean?
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Mick wrote: [...] What would be the recommended way of upgrading from the /dev/hd to /dev/sd then? I have held back doing this because I didn't have the time to mess about with it. If I were to configure a new kernel without legacy ATA drivers, how would I know what my devices will be seen as in advance, so that I can change my /etc/fstab before I reboot? The way I do it, is to label my partitions. If your partitions aren't labeled yet, you can do so with 'tune2fs'. If your /dev/hda1 is your root (/), /dev/hda2 your /home and /dev/hda3 your swap, you can label them with: tune2fs -L GentooRoot /dev/hda1 tune2fs -L GentooHome /dev/hda2 mkswap -L GentooSwap /dev/hda3 Then edit /etc/fstab and change the mount points from: /dev/hda1 ... /dev/hda2 ... /dev/hda3 ... to: /dev/disk/by-label/GentooRoot /dev/disk/by-label/GentooHome /dev/disk/by-label/GentooSwap As reference, here the relevant entries in my own /etc/fstab: /dev/disk/by-label/GentooRoot / ext3noatime 0 1 /dev/disk/by-label/GentooSwap none swapsw 0 0 /dev/disk/by-label/Suckage/windows/C ntfs-3g noatime 0 0 As you can see this even works for NTFS; you use the label you gave the drive in Windows. After you've done these changes, it doesn't matter the least anymore what the actual device name is. You can even move the harddisk to another computer (actually I'm doing exactly that) that totally results in a re-ordering of /dev/sd* entries and it will still mount correctly. Question, if I were to label mine and then boot from a Gentoo or any other bootable CD, would those labels still be there? Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". What does this mean?
Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Mick wrote: [...] What would be the recommended way of upgrading from the /dev/hd to /dev/sd then? I have held back doing this because I didn't have the time to mess about with it. If I were to configure a new kernel without legacy ATA drivers, how would I know what my devices will be seen as in advance, so that I can change my /etc/fstab before I reboot? The way I do it, is to label my partitions. If your partitions aren't labeled yet, you can do so with 'tune2fs'. If your /dev/hda1 is your root (/), /dev/hda2 your /home and /dev/hda3 your swap, you can label them with: tune2fs -L GentooRoot /dev/hda1 tune2fs -L GentooHome /dev/hda2 mkswap -L GentooSwap /dev/hda3 [...] Question, if I were to label mine and then boot from a Gentoo or any other bootable CD, would those labels still be there? The labels are part of the file system; they're always there. For example, when booting the 2007.0 LiveDVD (which uses the legacy drivers, meaning /dev/hd* instead of /dev/sd*) the labels are there and I can mount /dev/disk/by-label/GentooRoot just fine.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". What does this mean?
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Mick wrote: [...] What would be the recommended way of upgrading from the /dev/hd to /dev/sd then? I have held back doing this because I didn't have the time to mess about with it. If I were to configure a new kernel without legacy ATA drivers, how would I know what my devices will be seen as in advance, so that I can change my /etc/fstab before I reboot? The way I do it, is to label my partitions. If your partitions aren't labeled yet, you can do so with 'tune2fs'. If your /dev/hda1 is your root (/), /dev/hda2 your /home and /dev/hda3 your swap, you can label them with: tune2fs -L GentooRoot /dev/hda1 tune2fs -L GentooHome /dev/hda2 mkswap -L GentooSwap /dev/hda3 [...] Question, if I were to label mine and then boot from a Gentoo or any other bootable CD, would those labels still be there? The labels are part of the file system; they're always there. For example, when booting the 2007.0 LiveDVD (which uses the legacy drivers, meaning /dev/hd* instead of /dev/sd*) the labels are there and I can mount /dev/disk/by-label/GentooRoot just fine. Kwl. Now to see what I can screw up. o_O Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". What does this mean?
Alan Mackenzie wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:29:19AM +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: The CD/DVD-ROM can show up as /dev/sd* even with the old legacy drivers if you have enable "SCSI Emulation" for it. In any event, try to build a new kernel using the new drivers. The old legacy driver you're using will probably get declared "deprecated" at some point (if it didn't happen already). [...] In a philosophical mood, one might say that the new "unified", "enhanced", "better" IDE support is inadequate for my setup. What I actually said, I'm not going to repeat in a public mailing list. I must admit that I'm not affected much by this since, as I mentioned in another post, I use labels and don't look at what /dev/sd* my drive is mapped. For unpartitioned drivers where I'm not sure which /dev/sd* entry to use, I simply use /dev/disk/by-id instead ;) So the kernel guys have decided that nobody would ever want more than 15 partitions on a drive. It's a bit like the old MS-DOS restriction to 512 MB all over again. Hey, guys, hard drives nowadays are like 200 gig, not 512meg. What's so wrong about having partitions with sizes 1Gb, 2Gb, 4Gb, with maybe 100Mb for a boot partition? Unlike the above, this one is a real problem. Fortunately, as long as the new drivers are still labeled "experimental" there's little chance of the legacy drivers being removed from the kernel. Performance-wise, I don't think you're missing much by not using the new drivers (though that's just a guess; don't take my word on it :P) If some day the legacy drivers are kicked out, you might have to go the LVM route by force :P But I guess this isn't like to happen anytime soon now, since not all hardware seems supported by the new drivers. Both of these created /dev/sdc and /dev/sdc1, but no /dev/sdd. When I tried # mount -t iso9660 /dev/sdc /cdrom, I got the "something's gone wrong, but we're not telling you what" error message. Trying to mount /dev/sdc1 gave exactly the same result. Actually, thinking about it, this was probably my USB stick it was trying to access. I know that everyone is using his/her own system as he/she sees fit, but I don't mount CD/DVD and USB drives by hand anymore. And no entries at all in fstab either. I just plug it in and let dbus (+ HAL if you're on KDE/Gnome) handle the rest :P Nikos, do you happen to know the appropriate kernel mailing list where I could express the opinion that restricting the number of partitions on a drive to 15 isn't a good tradeoff? LKML should be OK. At least last time I checked, regulars there are against directing people to "more appropriate" lists, meaning that LKML is the most appropriate of all if the issue is about things that are officially in the kernel. In any event, I remember this issue being raised back in 2004, so I guess it has been discussed to death by now. (And I did not follow the discussion, so I can't give you a summary, I'm afraid. Google is your friend.) All in all, I really amn't impressed with this "modern" drive support. Besides quartering the max number of partitions on a drive, it confuses IDE and SCSI drives, thus confusing me, too. Previously, when I attached devices to the IDE1 socket, I knew they would appear at /dev/hd[cd]. Now, it would seem, the kernel assigns drives at random to /dev/sd[abcd...], so you can only determine by experiment which devices are at which "device". Nothing personal, Nikos. ;-) I'm on PATA+SATA+USB here, so I know what you mean. However, I found the /dev/disk/ tree to be very helpful here.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". What does this mean?
On Sunday 20 July 2008, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Dale wrote: > > Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >> Mick wrote: > >>> [...] > >>> What would be the recommended way of upgrading from the /dev/hd to > >>> /dev/sd then? I have held back doing this because I didn't have the > >>> time to mess about with it. If I were to configure a new kernel > >>> without legacy ATA drivers, how would I know what my devices will be > >>> seen as in advance, so that I can change my /etc/fstab before I reboot? > >> > >> The way I do it, is to label my partitions. If your partitions aren't > >> labeled yet, you can do so with 'tune2fs'. If your /dev/hda1 is your > >> root (/), /dev/hda2 your /home and /dev/hda3 your swap, you can label > >> them with: > >> > >> tune2fs -L GentooRoot /dev/hda1 > >> tune2fs -L GentooHome /dev/hda2 > >> mkswap -L GentooSwap /dev/hda3 > >> [...] > > > > Question, if I were to label mine and then boot from a Gentoo or any > > other bootable CD, would those labels still be there? > > The labels are part of the file system; they're always there. For > example, when booting the 2007.0 LiveDVD (which uses the legacy drivers, > meaning /dev/hd* instead of /dev/sd*) the labels are there and I can > mount /dev/disk/by-label/GentooRoot just fine. Yes, labels . . . been thinking of doing this for the last two years! I guess I will have to use reiserfstune for my reiserfs partitions. What about xfs - will xfsprogs do it? Thanks for the tip. The thing with the conventional device numbering system is that you know which one is first, which second, etc. With Labels I'll have to add something to it to remind myself that this is the first partition, etc. Can I have blank spaces in the Label name? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] emacs and asian languages
Citerar "David Relson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I'm using emacs.22.1 and it's having trouble displaying asian languages, specifically chinese and korean. From the menus, using Options//Mule//ShowMultiLingualText, displays Japanese correctly but shows boxes for Chinese and Korean characters. Similarly, I've got a HelloWorld.java program that displays "Hello World" in English, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. This file displays perfectly using Eclipse. Emacs displays the japanese characters without any problem. 4 of the 5 chinese characters are displayed properly, with the 5th showing as a box. All 8 korean characters show up as boxes. FWIW, the strings show up properly in my mail reader (Claws-Mail). The strings are: zh: "" ja: "_" ko: " __" Can anybody identfy what's wrong and point me toward a solution? Thanks. David This sounds like a font issue to me. Can you see the characters correctly if you cat the files? This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. pgph8r6KVBEv3.pgp Description: PGP Digital Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Screen-saver annoyance after recent update
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:08:45AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote > On Samstag, 19. Juli 2008, Walter Dnes wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:08:03PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote > > > > > How about: not using screensavers at all? > > > > Now for a stupid-sounding question... what is the screensaver called? > > A "ps -ef" doesn't show any process with "screen" in the name. Man x > > and man xorg don't help. I'm running blackbox, so I don't have a > > gazillion settings widgets (nothing helpful in man blackbox). How can I > > find what program is blanking the screen? Once I do that, I can either > > set parameters or disable it. > > so you are not using a screensaver but dpms screen blanking? > > xset --help > > will answer your question. xset doesn't recognize "--help" as an option. And the "usage" stuff is sent to stderr instead of stdout. So I used my "magic less" command. The command is... xset {any illegal parameter} > /dev/stdout 2>&1 | less" "xset q" shows the following relevant info (much snippage)... Screen Saver: prefer blanking: yesallow exposures: yes timeout: 600cycle: 600 DPMS (Energy Star): Standby: 1200Suspend: 1800Off: 2400 DPMS is Enabled Monitor is On === One additional bit of info. If I let the system sit until the monitor goes into DPMS standby (backlight is off) I can recover by hitting any key. It's the "software screensaver" that seems to be the problem. A bit of experimentation reveals that I can't directly invoke "dpms off" from an "on" state. Instead, I have to walk the monitor through the series like so... #!/bin/bash sleep 3; xset dpms force standby; sleep 3; xset dpms force suspend; sleep 3; xset dpms force off So here's my plan. In ~/.xinitrc I'll include the statements... xset s off xset dpms 360 365 370 This will turn off the "software screensaver" and turn off the monitor via dpms after 6 minutes of inactivity. -- Walter Dnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[gentoo-user] Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". What does this mean?
Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: [...] Question, if I were to label mine and then boot from a Gentoo or any other bootable CD, would those labels still be there? The labels are part of the file system; they're always there. For example, when booting the 2007.0 LiveDVD (which uses the legacy drivers, meaning /dev/hd* instead of /dev/sd*) the labels are there and I can mount /dev/disk/by-label/GentooRoot just fine. Kwl. Now to see what I can screw up. o_O I should mention here the old Indian* saying: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." *OK, it's not Indian, but you get the idea.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". What does this mean?
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: [...] Question, if I were to label mine and then boot from a Gentoo or any other bootable CD, would those labels still be there? The labels are part of the file system; they're always there. For example, when booting the 2007.0 LiveDVD (which uses the legacy drivers, meaning /dev/hd* instead of /dev/sd*) the labels are there and I can mount /dev/disk/by-label/GentooRoot just fine. Kwl. Now to see what I can screw up. o_O I should mention here the old Indian* saying: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." *OK, it's not Indian, but you get the idea. True but I have trouble remembering which partition is home and which is portage, until I mount them anyway. It's obvious then. I guess according to another reply that I will have to use something else for resierfs. I guess it can't hurt to much. Worst thing is to have to boot and edit fstab back to the old way. :/ Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". What does this mean?
Dale wrote: True but I have trouble remembering which partition is home and which is portage, until I mount them anyway. It's obvious then. I guess according to another reply that I will have to use something else for resierfs. I guess it can't hurt to much. Worst thing is to have to boot and edit fstab back to the old way. :/ Dale :-) :-) Well bummer, you have to umount it first. O_O That sucks. Somebody tell me it ain't so. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] emacs and asian languages
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:29:15 +0200 David Sveningsson wrote: > Citerar "David Relson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I'm using emacs.22.1 and it's having trouble displaying asian > > languages, specifically chinese and korean. > > > > From the menus, using Options//Mule//ShowMultiLingualText, displays > > Japanese correctly but shows boxes for Chinese and Korean > > characters. > > > > Similarly, I've got a HelloWorld.java program that displays "Hello > > World" in English, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. This file displays > > perfectly using Eclipse. Emacs displays the japanese characters > > without any problem. 4 of the 5 chinese characters are displayed > > properly, with the 5th showing as a box. All 8 korean characters > > show up as boxes. > > > > FWIW, the strings show up properly in my mail reader (Claws-Mail). > > The strings are: > > > > zh: "" > > ja: "_" > > ko: " __" > > > > Can anybody identfy what's wrong and point me toward a solution? > > > > Thanks. > > > > David > > > > > > This sounds like a font issue to me. Can you see the characters > correctly if you cat the files? Hi David, Using a Gnome terminal and the default character set "Current Local Ansi_X3.4-1968" all the asian characters are bad. Using "Unicode (UTF-8)" all look good. So cat'ing _does_ work properly. On the plus side, being able to display correctly in (1) a Gnome terminal and (2) in Eclipse's source code window (which uses "Monospace") and (3) in a Claws-Mail window indicates that all needed fonts are available. On the minus side, e experiments to change emacs' mule encoding to ascii, chinese, and utf-8 don't seem to have any effect :-< David
Re: [gentoo-user] emacs and asian languages
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:29:15 +0200 David Sveningsson wrote: > Citerar "David Relson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I'm using emacs.22.1 and it's having trouble displaying asian > > languages, specifically chinese and korean. > > > > From the menus, using Options//Mule//ShowMultiLingualText, displays > > Japanese correctly but shows boxes for Chinese and Korean > > characters. > > > > Similarly, I've got a HelloWorld.java program that displays "Hello > > World" in English, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. This file displays > > perfectly using Eclipse. Emacs displays the japanese characters > > without any problem. 4 of the 5 chinese characters are displayed > > properly, with the 5th showing as a box. All 8 korean characters > > show up as boxes. > > > > FWIW, the strings show up properly in my mail reader (Claws-Mail). > > The strings are: > > > > zh: "" > > ja: "_" > > ko: " __" > > > > Can anybody identfy what's wrong and point me toward a solution? > > > > Thanks. > > > > David > > > > > > This sounds like a font issue to me. Can you see the characters > correctly if you cat the files? Hi David, Using a Gnome terminal and the default character set "Current Local Ansi_X3.4-1968" all the asian characters are bad. Using "Unicode (UTF-8)" all look good. So cat'ing _does_ work properly. On the plus side, being able to display correctly in (1) a Gnome terminal and (2) in Eclipse's source code window (which uses "Monospace") and (3) in a Claws-Mail window indicates that all needed fonts are available. On the minus side, e experiments to change emacs' mule encoding to ascii, chinese, and utf-8 don't seem to have any effect :-< And in an emacs *shell* window (with "mule...set UTF-8", the strings show up like: String sh = "zh: \344\270\226\347\225u"\345\245\275"; which interprets as the octal codes corresponding to UTF-8 char. David
Re: [gentoo-user] emacs and asian languages
David Relson skrev: On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:29:15 +0200 David Sveningsson wrote: This sounds like a font issue to me. Can you see the characters correctly if you cat the files? Hi David, Using a Gnome terminal and the default character set "Current Local Ansi_X3.4-1968" all the asian characters are bad. Using "Unicode (UTF-8)" all look good. So cat'ing _does_ work properly. On the plus side, being able to display correctly in (1) a Gnome terminal and (2) in Eclipse's source code window (which uses "Monospace") and (3) in a Claws-Mail window indicates that all needed fonts are available. On the minus side, e experiments to change emacs' mule encoding to ascii, chinese, and utf-8 don't seem to have any effect :-< And in an emacs *shell* window (with "mule...set UTF-8", the strings show up like: String sh = "zh: \344\270\226\347\225u"\345\245\275"; which interprets as the octal codes corresponding to UTF-8 char. David I assume you are using xemacs, does it work if you're not using xemacs (use the -nw flag when launching)? I have never used mule myself as it is not needed with emacs 22. Since everything seems to work in your terminal I cannot see why it wouldn't work in emacs, but I'm not an expert. Just to be sure, have you followed the steps in http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/utf-8.xml? -- //*David Sveningsson [eXt]* Freelance coder | Game Development Student http://sidvind.com Thou shalt make thy program's purpose and structure clear to thy fellow man by using the One True Brace Style, even if thou likest it not, for thy creativity is better used in solving problems than in creating beautiful new impediments to understanding. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Strange grub problem
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:28:09 +0100, Mick wrote: > I believe that the grub ebuild mounts it for you, messes up your > grub.conf and carries on with its business It doesn't touch grub.conf, that would be unacceptable. What is does do is it no longer installs the default splash image to /boot, so that is removed when the previous version is unmerged. If you use a different image, or even if you have touched the existing splashimage file, your boot won't be affected. -- Neil Bothwick God said, "div D = rho, div B = 0, curl E = - @B/@t, curl H = J + @D/@t," and there was light. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". What does this mean?
Dale wrote: Dale wrote: True but I have trouble remembering which partition is home and which is portage, until I mount them anyway. It's obvious then. I guess according to another reply that I will have to use something else for resierfs. I guess it can't hurt to much. Worst thing is to have to boot and edit fstab back to the old way. :/ Well bummer, you have to umount it first. O_O That sucks. Somebody tell me it ain't so. It is so ;P Best simply boot from the live CD and change the labels there, mount the root partition, change fstab right there and reboot.
[gentoo-user] Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". What does this mean?
Mick wrote: On Sunday 20 July 2008, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: The labels are part of the file system; they're always there. For example, when booting the 2007.0 LiveDVD (which uses the legacy drivers, meaning /dev/hd* instead of /dev/sd*) the labels are there and I can mount /dev/disk/by-label/GentooRoot just fine. Yes, labels . . . been thinking of doing this for the last two years! I guess I will have to use reiserfstune for my reiserfs partitions. What about xfs - will xfsprogs do it? The xfs_admin is used to change the label of XFS partitions: http://linux.die.net/man/8/xfs_admin Thanks for the tip. The thing with the conventional device numbering system is that you know which one is first, which second, etc. With Labels I'll have to add something to it to remind myself that this is the first partition, etc. Can I have blank spaces in the Label name? I don't think spaces are allowed. But you can use underscores or capitalization. Anyway, you don't need to add something to remind you of the partition's position; /etc/mtab will use regular device names, so you can see what's going on with 'cat /etc/mtab' or simply 'mount' without parameters. On my system, even though I use labels, I get this with 'mount': /dev/sdc1 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime) /dev/sda1 on /windows/C type fuseblk (rw,noatime,allow_other,blksize=4096)
Re: [gentoo-user] emacs and asian languages
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:34:29 +0200 David Sveningsson wrote: > David Relson skrev: > > On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:29:15 +0200 > > David Sveningsson wrote: > >> This sounds like a font issue to me. Can you see the characters > >> correctly if you cat the files? > > > > Hi David, > > > > Using a Gnome terminal and the default character set "Current Local > > Ansi_X3.4-1968" all the asian characters are bad. Using "Unicode > > (UTF-8)" all look good. So cat'ing _does_ work properly. > > > > On the plus side, being able to display correctly in (1) a Gnome > > terminal and (2) in Eclipse's source code window (which uses > > "Monospace") and (3) in a Claws-Mail window indicates that all > > needed fonts are available. > > > > On the minus side, e experiments to change emacs' mule encoding to > > ascii, chinese, and utf-8 don't seem to have any effect :-< > > > > And in an emacs *shell* window (with "mule...set UTF-8", the strings > > show up like: > > > >String sh = "zh: \344\270\226\347\225u"\345\245\275"; > > > > which interprets as the octal codes corresponding to UTF-8 char. > > > > David > > > > > > I assume you are using xemacs, does it work if you're not using > xemacs (use the -nw flag when launching)? I have never used mule > myself as it is not needed with emacs 22. Since everything seems to > work in your terminal I cannot see why it wouldn't work in emacs, but > I'm not an expert. > > Just to be sure, have you followed the steps in > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/utf-8.xml? > -- I've got both emacs and xemacs installed. Using xemacs, most of the chinese, japanese, and korean characters show up as hex codes like \226. emacs does the better job (with japanese being correct). I've looked at the utf-8.xml page and what I've got is a combination of en_US.UTF-8 and "C" (see the end of this message). My 2.6.24 kernel has iso8859-1 as its default and I'm rebuilding with UTF-8 as the default to see if this helps. Regards, David In /etc/locale.gen is: en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 In /etc/profile.env is: export LANG='en_US.UTF-8' In /etc/env.d/02locale.gen is: LANG="en_US.UTF-8" "env-update" and "source /etc/profile" have been run. Running "locale" reports: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE="C" LC_NUMERIC="C" LC_TIME="C" LC_COLLATE="C" LC_MONETARY="C" LC_MESSAGES="C" LC_PAPER="C" LC_NAME="C" LC_ADDRESS="C" LC_TELEPHONE="C" LC_MEASUREMENT="C" LC_IDENTIFICATION="C" LC_ALL=C Running "locale -a" reports: C POSIX en_US.utf8
Re: [gentoo-user] 20008 install problem: "Could not find the root block device in ."
Dale wrote: Eric Martin wrote: Jarry wrote: Hi, I just downloaded install-amd64-minimal-2008.0.iso, burned it, and tried to boot&install. But during boot-up, a message comes: >> Determining root device... !! Could not find the root block device in . Please specify another value or: press Enter for the same, type "shell" for a shell, or "q" to skip... root block device() :: _ What am I supposed to do??? It is a common pc, with Asus mobo (nForce4 chipset), 2x sata-disk, 1x sata-dvd, nvidia graphics. Everything correctly detected in bios and during boot-up. On the same computer, I could install gentoo-2007 last year, but unfortunatelly disk has died, so I had to replace it and install again... Jarry If the 2007 cd worked then use that one. It doesn't matter what cd you start from, only that you get started. For that matter (as people always say) you can boot off of knoppix or the lfs (linux from scratch) disk. The only thing the cd does for you is provide a working linux environment that you can chroot from to install gentoo. Of course, make sure you get the tarballs off the internet if you use a CD that old. If you use the tarballs off the CD, you will have a lot of upgrades to do and it could be . . . messy. Yeah, thanks for mentioning getting the new tarballs. I always download the newest ones so I just assume everybody else does.
[gentoo-user] I goofed (was Screen-saver annoyance after recent update)
Never mind. Here's one for the books. I have 2 computers. d530 is the "production" machine and d531 is the "hot backup". I only have one 24" LCD, which has 1 DVI plug and 1 VGA plug. So I hooked up the DVI to d530, and the VGA to d530. My former production machine died recently, and I moved d530 from hot backup to production status, and bought a similar machine (d531) to use as my new hot backup. Normally I only start up the hot backup every 2 to 4 weeks to update it with the latest updates/patches, then I switch it off. Since d531 is relatively new, I was still screwing around customizing it to my specs. So both machines were on for hours on end. Rather than switching the LCD monitor back and forth, I ssh'd from d530 to d531. It turns out that... - if the DVI and VGA inputs are hooked up to 2 different computers that are turned on - and the DVI connection is active - when the screensaver on the DVI-attached PC kicks in - the LCD monitor automagically switches over to the VGA-attached PC Now I understand. Pounding away on d530's keyboard is *NOT* going to wake up d531 from screensaver mode, which the LCD is now displaying. And it also explains why I had to go into the monitor's menu and manually switch the connection back to the DVI-attched PC. -- Walter Dnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: What is the gimmick to run tightvnc from windows to gentoo
Harry Putnam wrote: David Blamire-Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I did this a while back and I got it working by tunnelling via SSH (using putty on windows). But I can't remember the exact details off the top of my head. It may be worth googling that set-up. I seem to remember thinking it felt like a kludge and I can't quite remember why I ended up doing it, but I do remember that it worked. Well at least that sounds promising. I did see mention of that in some of my google searches but I wondered, If I had to use ssh, why wouldn't I just pull the X session on linux across with ssh alone. And forget about VNC. Session persistence. [1] With VNC I can create a full desktop session (I use Fluxbox because it's lightweight) and connect to it as needed from any system with network access. This is great for my IM app. I lock my firewall rules down to allow VNC only from localhost and ssh tunnel all my connections (even on the LAN) because VNC's auth scheme is dreadfully insecure. I think I've heard that can be doneI think I may have even done it sometime way back, but VNC is so easy the other direction it seems it should be just as easy connecting windows vnc client to gentoo vnc server. For some reason the vnc server appears not to have any debug or verbose switches. But not sure even if it did, since it appears the connection is simply rejected, if that would help. I'd like to see some log info as to why the connection is rejected. How are you starting TightVNC from Linux? If you use something like `vncserver :1` then you should get lots of info in ~/.vnc/`uname -n`:1.log . This should provide plenty of info/debug info for you. I'd start by starting the VNC server and making sure that the log file indicates it started correctly, which should look like [2]. Then try to connect from a remote host; if you get a connection refused message then chances are good you have a firewall problem, so make sure the proper port is open (5901 for :1, or 5801 via the java http applet.) Try nmap from the Windows host to verify port status if you're unsure. I've included a connection log sample at [3]. [1]: You could look into NoMachine's NX server (or the GPL-flavor of this project) as well for the persistent execution benefit, but I've had bad luck with NX sessions terminating on me. Plus you can't resume an NX you start under Linux on a Windows host or vise-versa, so it's not as useful to me as VNC is. YMMV. [2]: Sample VNC session startup log segment: 20/07/08 23:59:17 Xvnc version TightVNC-1.3.9 20/07/08 23:59:17 Copyright (C) 2000-2007 TightVNC Group 20/07/08 23:59:17 Copyright (C) 1999 AT&T Laboratories Cambridge 20/07/08 23:59:17 All Rights Reserved. 20/07/08 23:59:17 See http://www.tightvnc.com/ for information on TightVNC 20/07/08 23:59:17 Desktop name 'X' (seraph:1) 20/07/08 23:59:17 Protocol versions supported: 3.3, 3.7, 3.8, 3.7t, 3.8t 20/07/08 23:59:17 Listening for VNC connections on TCP port 5901 20/07/08 23:59:17 Listening for HTTP connections on TCP port 5801 20/07/08 23:59:17 URL http://seraph:5801 xrdb: No such file or directory xrdb: can't open file '/home/josh/.Xresources' BScreen::BScreen: managing screen 0 using visual 0x22, depth 24 Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":1.0". [3]: Sample VNC connection log segment (this connection initiated from 127.0.0.1, the VNC server's localhost address): 20/07/08 23:59:24 Got connection from client 127.0.0.1 20/07/08 23:59:24 Using protocol version 3.8 20/07/08 23:59:24 Enabling TightVNC protocol extensions 20/07/08 23:59:49 Full-control authentication passed by 127.0.0.1 20/07/08 23:59:49 Pixel format for client 127.0.0.1: 20/07/08 23:59:49 32 bpp, depth 24, little endian 20/07/08 23:59:49 true colour: max r 255 g 255 b 255, shift r 16 g 8 b 0 20/07/08 23:59:49 no translation needed 20/07/08 23:59:49 Using tight encoding for client 127.0.0.1 20/07/08 23:59:49 Using image quality level 6 for client 127.0.0.1 20/07/08 23:59:49 Enabling X-style cursor updates for client 127.0.0.1 20/07/08 23:59:49 Enabling cursor position updates for client 127.0.0.1 20/07/08 23:59:49 Enabling LastRect protocol extension for client 127.0.0.1 -- Josh signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] A few questions on trying to install
Having been (mostly happily) using Ubuntu for a number of months I yearn to install Gentoo again. Tried a beta release of Gentoo 2008.0, and was pleased, at least to be able to boot and not have the confusion about naming HDDs, and using Grub was simpler. Now, as I approach the Live CD installer (AMD64) some problems are keeping me at bay. Now, however, I've tried three or four times to install on an existing partition. Grub will not install over the ubuntu grub, or else something else is crazy. After a 2 hour preparation the last time around, emerging the extra packages, the system just stopped, and when at long last I finally rebooted, it was back to Ubuntu. May I ask a few questions? - Live CD only installs over a clean partition. How can I resume an installation? - I only have a unsupported atheros wifi card for connection. I've been using it for years. No easy way to connect by wire. Any ideas? - I have an 80GB fast SATA drive and three slower 7000 RPM drives. What partitions are best kept on the fast drive to maximize performance (I have basically an all purpose workstation). My /home will be about 100GB: is it wiser to split it up into a smaller core /home with several slower archive and storage partitions (Library, Project archives, Videos, Music)? - Advice about UUIDs? I lost a partition (a large one) over a misidentification of a partition when the Ubuntu scheme started swapping around names of devices. Old /dev/hda became /dev/sda and old /dev/sda became /dev/sdb. What a mess that turned out to be. For now this will be enough. Alan
[gentoo-user] Re: Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C
Dirk Heinrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you sure these files are really utf8 files? What does the "file" > command tell you about those files. Maybe you need to run iconv on > them, first. > >> , and starting an xterm still shows "Warning: locale not supported by >> Xlib, locale set to C". Only now "locale" command shows the >> lowercase version. > > This is a different thing, look at > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90972 Well, it was all the problem of having en_DK, I changed it to en_US.UTF-8 and all works OK now. However I wanted _DK to have the locale date in the form 2008-07-19 and not 07/21/2008. Anyway, why is this we have to choose a territory for our language, I do not live in any english-speaking territory, nor it is Denmark, and I don't want to put on my computer on what territory I live, as it is none of it's business. Couldn't there be something like POSIX.UTF-8 locale, or maybe make the POSIX locale be UTF-8 by default? Or C.UTF-8 I would be very happy not having to put any specific country in the settings of my computer. And ordering of date - what does that have to do with territory and language? I don't care what territory has what ordering commonly used - I want to have it in form 2008-07-19, is there a way to do it? -- Miernik http://miernik.name/
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: mount: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". What does this mean?
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:35:44 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Anyway, you don't need to add something to remind you > of the partition's position; /etc/mtab will use regular device names, > so you can see what's going on with 'cat /etc/mtab' or simply 'mount' > without parameters. cfdisk also shows the labels against the partition names. -- Neil Bothwick Don't use a long word if a diminutive one will do. signature.asc Description: PGP signature