Re: [gentoo-user] cdrecord fails to burn dvd

[José Romildo Malaquias]

On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 11:23:50PM -0200, José Romildo Malaquias wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 05:35:50PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> > José Romildo Malaquias  wrote:
[...]
> > > Burning dvds with Cdrecord-ProDVD-ProBD-Clone 2.01.01a67 on my Dell
> > > Vostro 1510 notebook is always failing.
[...]
> > I need the following:
[...]
> > Sufficient information on the media used. This is at least the ATIP
> > data, a note to CD-R/CD-RW and information on the state and the case
> > history of this media.
[...]
> I do not know how to get the ATIP data on the media used. But I can say
> that I have recently used more than 200 discs of this brand (Kodak) and
> it has shown very reliable. cdrecord has no problems with it on my
> desktop computer. The problem happens just in my notebook. Therefore it
> suggests the problem is not with the media.

Attached is information related to the ATIP of the media, get with
cdrecod and dvd+rw-mediainfo.

Romildo
$ cdrecord -atip
Cdrecord-ProDVD-ProBD-Clone 2.01.01a67 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 
1995-2009 Jörg Schilling
Linux sg driver version: 3.5.34
Using libscg version 'schily-0.9'.
No target specified, trying to find one...
Using dev=3,0,0.
Device type: Removable CD-ROM
Version: 5
Response Format: 2
Capabilities   : 
Vendor_info: 'TEAC'
Identifikation : 'DVD+-RW DVW28SLC'
Revision   : 'A.06'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc-2 DVD-R/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM driver (mmc_dvd).
Driver flags   : NO-CD DVD MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE 
Supported modes: PACKET SAO LAYER_JUMP
cdrecord: Warning: The DMA speed test has been skipped.
book type:   DVD-R, Version 2.0x (2.5)
disc size:   120mm (0)
maximum rate:Not specified (15)
number of layers:1
track path:  Parallel Track Path (0)
layer type:  Rewritable Area (2)
linear density:  0.267 µm/bit (0)
track density:   0.74 µm/track (0)
phys start:  196608 (0x3) 
phys end:0
end layer 0: 0
bca: 0
phys size:...-196607
copyr prot type: 0
region mgt info: 0
last rma sector: 0
application code:64
physical code:   193
last rec address:16621272
part v./ext code:5/2
ind wr. power:   135
wavelength code: 13
write str. code: 10 66 78 80
Manufacturer:   'UME01'
rzone size: 36
rzone number:   1
border number:  1
ljrs:   0
track mode: 4 copy: 0
damage: 0
reserved track: 0 blank: 1 incremental: 0 fp: 0
data mode:  1
lra valid:  0
nwa valid:  1
rzone start:0
next wr addr:   0
free blocks:2298496
blocking factor:16
rzone size: 2298496
last recorded addr: 0

Capacity  Blklen/Sparesz.  Format-type  Type
16777215 2048 0x00  No Media Present or Unknown Capacity

$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/sr0 
INQUIRY:[TEAC][DVD+-RW DVW28SLC][A.06]
GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION:
 Mounted Media: 11h, DVD-R Sequential
 Media ID:   UME01  
 Current Write Speed:   8.0x1385=11080KB/s
 Write Speed #0:8.0x1385=11080KB/s
 Write Speed #1:6.0x1385=8310KB/s
 Write Speed #2:4.0x1385=5540KB/s
 Write Speed #3:2.0x1385=2770KB/s
 Speed Descriptor#0:00/2298495 r...@8.0x1385=11080kb/s 
w...@8.0x1385=11080kb/s
 Speed Descriptor#1:00/2298495 r...@6.0x1385=8310kb/s w...@6.0x1385=8310kb/s
 Speed Descriptor#2:00/2298495 r...@4.0x1385=5540kb/s w...@4.0x1385=5540kb/s
 Speed Descriptor#3:00/2298495 r...@2.0x1385=2770kb/s w...@2.0x1385=2770kb/s
READ DVD STRUCTURE[#10h]:
 Media Book Type:   00h, DVD-ROM book [revision 0]
 Legacy lead-out at:2298496*2KB=4707319808
READ DVD STRUCTURE[#0h]:
 Media Book Type:   25h, DVD-R book [revision 5]
 Last border-out at:2045*2KB=4188160
READ DISC INFORMATION:
 Disc status:   blank
 Number of Sessions:1
 State of Last Session: empty
 "Next" Track:  1
 Number of Tracks:  1
READ TRACK INFORMATION[#1]:
 Track State:   blank
 Track Start Address:   0*2KB
 Next Writable Address: 0*2KB
 Free Blocks:   2298496*2KB
 Track Size:2298496*2KB
READ CAPACITY:  0*2048=0

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.3.73 I've disabled right mouse buttons

[Nagatoro]

On Sunday 08 November 2009 23.37.18 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> KDE-4.3.73 from kde-testing.
> 
> I was playing around with the desktop and found new shiny extra stuff on
>  the right-click context menu. Including configs for mouse buttons presses.
> 
> Now I have no right click on the desktop (everywhere else works) and middle
> click is disabled everywhere. Being an old-time X lad, this grieves me
> greatly.
> 
> Systemsettings has nothing I can see about this - 1000s of hotkeys for
> keyboard, nothing for mouse clicks. Any ideas on how to revert this desktop
> change?

Top right corner of your screen -> Destop Activities -> Mouse "tab"

Re: [gentoo-user] LifeCam cinema or other webcams

[Iain Buchanan]

On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 02:33 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Montag 09 November 2009, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> 
> >   * preferably not spca drivers, as they seem a bit behind lately
> >   * no logitech quickcams, due to their problems with skype
> 
> what problems with skype? I am thinking about buying a logitech c600...
> 

Exactly this issue:
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Webcams/Quickcam-Pro-9000-Skype-System-hangs/m-p/396119?nobounce

Mostly windows, afair, which I have to use it on occasionally.  I bought
an E5500 for my mum and it took a few months to get it going (admittedly
she is interstate, so I only had a few hours a month to try!)  The
solution was weird, and some "new" windows version of skype seemed to be
immune, but I was already burned!

The same quickcam on my gentoo box didn't have any problems.  Apparently
it was specific to certain quickcams, but this was a while ago, so
details in my brain are sketchy!

Can you get 720p on linux with the C600?
-- 
Iain Buchanan 

I love dogs, but I hate Chihuahuas.  A Chihuahua isn't a dog.  It's a rat
with a thyroid problem.

Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server upgrading problem

[Johannes Kimmel]

Roy Wright wrote:

Howdy,

I have a home server/htpc (~x86) that I'm finally updating after a few 
months and I hit an issue with xorg-server.  Here's the background:


Was at xorg-server-1.6.3 and current sync tried to upgrade to 1.7.1, 
which failed to compile.  In researching on b.g.o., discovered that 
nvidia has not released a driver yet that will work with 1.7.1, so 
followed the bug report directions and masked out several packages to 
prevent 1.7.1 upgrading.


So next attempt at upgrading was to 1.6.5.  That failed too, so back 
to b.g.o. where the first directions were to install 
nvidia-drivers-190.42.  But nvidia-drivers has a dependency to 
xorg-server-1.6.5, so had to mask >1.6.3 to get nvidia to emerge.  
Then hit the bug with nvidia-settings with the work around of 
symbolically linking /usr/include/X11/extensions/xf86vmproto.h to 
/usr/include/X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h.  Finally removed the 
>xorg-server-1.6.3 mask and successfully emerged.


So now it looks like I have xorg-server-1.6.5 and 
nvidia-drivers-190.42 installed.


But when starting the xorg server, it is unable to load glx, dri, and 
dri2 modules:


xbmc log # grep EE Xorg.0.log
Current Operating System: Linux xbmc 2.6.29-gentoo-r2 #7 SMP PREEMPT 
Sun Jun 21 10:15:29 CDT 2009 i686

(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(EE) Failed to load module "glx" (module does not exist, 0)
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(EE) Failed to load module "dri" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) Failed to load module "dri2" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) Nov 08 13:48:35 NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module; 
please check in your X
(EE) Nov 08 13:48:35 NVIDIA(0): log file that the GLX module has 
been loaded in your X
(EE) Nov 08 13:48:35 NVIDIA(0): server, and that the module is the 
NVIDIA GLX module.  If
(EE) Nov 08 13:48:35 NVIDIA(0): you continue to encounter 
problems, Please try

(EE) Nov 08 13:48:35 NVIDIA(0): reinstalling the NVIDIA driver.
(EE) Microsoft Natural Keyboard Pro: failed to initialize for relative 
axes.
(EE) Gyration Gyration RF Technology Receiver: failed to initialize 
for relative axes.


I've even rebooted and still see the same problem.

I'm not having any luck finding a hint on b.g.o. or with searching (I 
use startpage instead of google).


Here's my xorg.conf which works with xorg-server-1.6.3 (it's a little 
explicit because it is connected (DVI) to an A/V receiver (Yamaha 
RX-V861) which doesn't pass thru EDID):


Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
EndSection

Section "Files"
ModulePath   "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
FontPath "built-ins"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load  "glx"
Load  "dbe"
Load  "extmod"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
   # Block type: 2:0 3:fc
   Identifier "FPD TV"
   VendorName "HTC"
   ModelName "FPD TV"
   # Block type: 2:0 3:fc
   # Block type: 2:0 3:fd
   HorizSync 15-70
   VertRefresh 59-61
   # Max dot clock (video bandwidth) 150 MHz
   # DPMS capabilities: Active off:no  Suspend:no  Standby:no

   Mode"1920x1080" # vfreq 60.000Hz, hfreq 67.500kHz
DotClock148.50
HTimings1920 2008 2052 2200
VTimings1080 1084 1089 1125
Flags   "+HSync" "+VSync"
   EndMode
   Mode"1920x540"  # vfreq 60.053Hz, hfreq 33.750kHz
DotClock74.25
HTimings1920 2008 2052 2200
VTimings540 542 547 562
Flags   "Interlace" "+HSync" "+VSync"
   EndMode
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "Card0"
Driver  "nvidia"
VendorName  "nVidia Corporation"
Option  "RenderAccel" "true"
   Option "ModeValidation" "NoDFPNativeResolutionCheck, 
NoMaxSizeCheck"

   Option "NoLogo" "true"
   Option "ConnectedMonitor" "DFP"
   Option  "TVStandard""HD1080p"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor"FPD TV"

# depth of 16 breaks xbmc

   DefaultDepth24

   Option "renderAccel" "true"
   Option "ExactModeTimingsDVI" "true"
   Option "NoLogo" "true"
   Option "DynamicTwinView" "false"
   Option "UseEvents" "true"
   Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
   Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true"
   Option "FlatPanelProperties" "Scaling = Native"

SubSection "Display"
   Depth24
   Modes "1920x1080" "1080p" "1080i" "720p" "720i" "480p" 
"480i" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"

Virtual 1920 1080
EndSubSection
EndSection


Any ideas?

TIA,
Roy


Try to resync and emerge the new eselect-opengl and run "eselect opengl 
set nvidia" again. This could fix it, as I had a similar problem. The 
old eselect did something wrong, but I can't remember exactly because it 
went somehow long y

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.3.73 I've disabled right mouse buttons

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 09 November 2009 02:26:04 Dale wrote:
> > wouldn't work here - ihatethecashew made it disappear ;)
> >
> >
> >   
> 
> I thought a cashew was a peanut or something?  Why is there a nut in KDE
> 4?  I'm not using KDE 4 yet.  ;-)
> 

It's the most hated object in software history. Worse even than Microsoft Bob.

[It's a little bean-shaped icon that hides in dark corners and clicking it 
opens settings dialogs for the panel and desktop]

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: X crashes with nvidia-173 driver-RESOLVED

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 09 November 2009 06:59:34 Maxim Wexler wrote:
> > (WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or
> > 'vmmouse' will be disabled.
> > (WW) Disabling Mouse1
> > (WW) Disabling Keyboard1
> 
> LOL! It wasn't a "crash". It just seemed like it because the mouse and
> kbd were disabled.
> 
> Apparently, the above is the default!?!?
> 
> The line 'Option  "AllowEmptyInput"  "no"' must be added to the server
> section of xorg.conf.
> 
> BTW, what is the purpose of two module dirs /lib/modules//video

This is a kernel module

> and /usr/lib/xorg/modules

This is a userspace X module

> for the nvidia drivers. Are they both being used? Which is the correct
> one to use in xorg.conf?

Two very different things

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] help with tinydns setup

[Keith Dart]

=== On Sun, 11/08, James wrote: ===
> Thoughts?
> -
===

What I have done is bind named to a dummy interface, which serves a
psuedo TLD, and use dnsmasq for the local DNS.


2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast
inet 10.111.1.130/24 brd 10.111.1.255 scope global eth0
3: dummy0:  mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state
inet 172.17.211.1/24 brd 172.17.211.255 scope global dummy0

Then you have different interfaces to bind to, and different networks
to route to internally. 



-- Keith Dart

-- 

-- ~
   Keith Dart 
   public key: ID: 19017044
   
   =

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.3.73 I've disabled right mouse buttons

[Erik]

Dale skrev:
> I thought a cashew was a peanut or something?

Not at all. The only common thing they have is that both are flowering
plants. But cashew is a big tree, while peanut is an annual herbaceous
plant. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cashew
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut

>   Why is there a nut in KDE4?

It seems to be at the end of the panel and clicking it brings up a panel
configuration menu. The first time I had a red X next to it, but it
seems to be gone now.


> I'm not using KDE 4 yet.  ;-)
>   

I had to migrate to it when emerge complained about packages masked for
removal. Spent the last few days reporting regressions at bugs.kde.org.
And now I am not talking about peanuts.

Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server upgrading problem

[Bill Kenworthy]

On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 01:13 +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:46:15 -0600, Roy Wright wrote:
> 
> > Was at xorg-server-1.6.3 and current sync tried to upgrade to 1.7.1,  
> > which failed to compile.  In researching on b.g.o., discovered that  
> > nvidia has not released a driver yet that will work with 1.7.1, so  
> > followed the bug report directions and masked out several packages to  
> > prevent 1.7.1 upgrading.
> 
> I have had xorg-server-1.7.1 and nvidia-drivers-190.42-r[23], working
> together since Nov 3rd, with no masking or keywording, although this is
> on ~amd64. For a while the newer xorg was blocked but as soon as the
> newer nvidia-drivers hit portage, everything upgraded without a hitch.
> 
I am just in the process of updating a machine stored for over a year -
relatively straight forward except its taking awhile as expected.  It
has an old TNT nvidia card that needs the older drivers (169 something
with 2.6.21 is working on it at the moment - I upgraded to 2.6.31 and
belatedly remembered this Achilles heal for nvidia stuff :)

Are the older nvidia drivers locked to older kernels?  If so, is there a
map that tells what driver version is usable with which kernels?

BillK

[gentoo-user] Re: X crashes with nvidia-173 driver-RESOLVED

[Maxim Wexler]

> (WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or
> 'vmmouse' will be disabled.
> (WW) Disabling Mouse1
> (WW) Disabling Keyboard1

LOL! It wasn't a "crash". It just seemed like it because the mouse and
kbd were disabled.

Apparently, the above is the default!?!?

The line 'Option  "AllowEmptyInput"  "no"' must be added to the server
section of xorg.conf.

BTW, what is the purpose of two module dirs /lib/modules//video
and /usr/lib/xorg/modules
for the nvidia drivers. Are they both being used? Which is the correct
one to use in xorg.conf?

mw

Re: [gentoo-user] help with tinydns setup

[James]

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 5:14 AM, Florian Philipp
 wrote:
> James schrieb:
>> All,
>>
>> I'm trying to set up a DNS server here for a lab environment.
>>
>> - hijacking a TLD (linux.com let's say, as an example)
>> - trying to point several Linux boxen in a sandbox with no internet 
>> connectivity
>>
>> So, here's a copy of my tinydns data file:
>>
>> .linux.com:172.18.109.125:a:259200
>> =server1.linux.com:14.17.108.241:86400
>> =server2.linux.com:14.17.108.242:86400
>>
> [...]
>>
>> Inside of /etc/dnscache/root/servers/linux.com I have "127.0.0.1" so
>> that the server knows to query the tinydns daemon running.
>> Unfortunately, however, a "dig @ server1.linux.com" doesn't
>> seem to work.
>>
>>
>
> What do you mean with "doesn't seem to work"? Timeout? Wrong answer?
>

Well, tinydns must be bound to a different address than dnscache.

If I do a dig @ server1.linux.com it responds with
the correct address.

However, if I put the dnscache IP address in my /etc/resolv.conf,
resolution to *any* IP address (including server1.linux.com and
server2.linux.com) fails.

Thoughts?
-j

Re: [gentoo-user] LifeCam cinema or other webcams

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Montag 09 November 2009, Iain Buchanan wrote:

>   * preferably not spca drivers, as they seem a bit behind lately
>   * no logitech quickcams, due to their problems with skype

what problems with skype? I am thinking about buying a logitech c600...

[gentoo-user] LifeCam cinema or other webcams

[Iain Buchanan]

Hi,

Has anyone used the Microsoft LifeCam cinema HD webcam?[1]  I know it's
from Microsoft, but in my experience their h/w doesn't seem as bad as
their s/w!

I know this question comes up all the time, but if not the LifeCam, what
webcam would you recommend?  My requirements would be:
  * decent (for webcam) picture - not too grainy / lowres
  * usb
  * preferably not spca drivers, as they seem a bit behind lately
  * no logitech quickcams, due to their problems with skype

If any cheaper LifeCams use the same internals, I'd be happy with that -
I don't need the flashy look.  The cheapest I can find one is AU$89.

[1]
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/digitalcommunication/productdetails.aspx?pid=008

thanks!
-- 
Iain Buchanan   R&D
  Phone: 138

Re: [gentoo-user] cdrecord fails to burn dvd

[José Romildo Malaquias]

On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 05:35:50PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> José Romildo Malaquias  wrote:
> 
> > Hello.
> >
> > Burning dvds with Cdrecord-ProDVD-ProBD-Clone 2.01.01a67 on my Dell
> > Vostro 1510 notebook is always failing.
> >
> > The device is identified as TEAC DVD+-RW DVW28SLC and can write at 8x
> > speed.
> >
> > The process starts and reports writing at 14.5x, but the media is not
> > burnt.  cdrecord reaches but does not finish the fixation stage.  It
> > reports an average write speed of 14.3x.  When I manage to stop the
> > process (by rebooting the computer), I see the media has not been burnt
> > and it is not ruined. It can be reused.
> >
> > With cdrkit, cdrecord finishes (after using different speeds, as 2x, 1x,
> > 4x, 6x e 20x), but when reading the disc an input/output error is
> > reported.
> 
> wodim is known for not being able to support DVDs.
> 
> If you like to get help with cdrecord, I recommend you to first send
> information and log files about your problem.
> 
> I need the following:
> 
> The version number of cdrecord that caused the bug.
> The command line that was used for the failing command.
> The complete output (including error messages) from 'cdrecord -v ...' (use 
>   "script" to fetch the output)
> Probably the important part of the 'cdrecord -V' output if we agreed on it
> The OS name, release and hardware (processor)
> Special conditions of your environment (libc vers. SCSI transport ...)
> Sufficient information on the media used. This is at least the ATIP
> data, a note to CD-R/CD-RW and information on the state and the case
> history of this media.
> 
> If cdrecord reports a higher speed than possible, I would guess that
> the Linux kernel does not set up DMA correctly.
> 
> Jörg

Most of the requested information can be found in the attached log file.

I do not know how to get the ATIP data on the media used. But I can say
that I have recently used more than 200 discs of this brand (Kodak) and
it has shown very reliable. cdrecord has no problems with it on my
desktop computer. The problem happens just in my notebook. Therefore it
suggests the problem is not with the media.

If you need any more information, just ask.

Romildo
$ uname -a
Linux jrm 2.6.31-gentoo-r5 #1 SMP Sat Nov 7 21:58:34 BRST 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) 
Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T8100 @ 2.10GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

$ /lib/libc.so.6
GNU C Library stable release version 2.11, by Roland McGrath et al.
Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
Compiled by GNU CC version 4.4.2.
Compiled on a Linux >>2.6.31-gentoo-r4<< system on 2009-11-07.
Available extensions:
C stubs add-on version 2.1.2
crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others
Gentoo patchset 2
GNU Libidn by Simon Josefsson
Native POSIX Threads Library by Ulrich Drepper et al
BIND-8.2.3-T5B
For bug reporting instructions, please see:
.

$ lsscsi --list --long 3:0:0:0
[3:0:0:0]cd/dvd  TEAC DVD+-RW DVW28SLC A.06  /dev/sr0 
  device_blocked=0
  iocounterbits=32
  iodone_cnt=0xf2e
  ioerr_cnt=0x3
  iorequest_cnt=0x2548
  queue_depth=1
  queue_type=none
  scsi_level=6
  state=running
  timeout=30
  type=5

$ lsscsi --transport 3:0:0:0
[3:0:0:0]cd/dvd  ata:/dev/sr0 

# hdparm -i /dev/sr0 | grep dma
 DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 
 UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2 

$ cdrecord --version
Cdrecord-ProDVD-ProBD-Clone 2.01.01a67 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 
1995-2009 Jörg Schilling

$ cdrecord -checkdrive
Cdrecord-ProDVD-ProBD-Clone 2.01.01a67 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 
1995-2009 Jörg Schilling
Linux sg driver version: 3.5.34
Using libscg version 'schily-0.9'.
No target specified, trying to find one...
Using dev=3,0,0.
Device type: Removable CD-ROM
Version: 5
Response Format: 2
Capabilities   : 
Vendor_info: 'TEAC'
Identifikation : 'DVD+-RW DVW28SLC'
Revision   : 'A.06'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc-2 DVD-R/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM driver (mmc_dvd).
Driver flags   : NO-CD DVD MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE 
Supported modes: PACKET SAO LAYER_JUMP
cdrecord: Warning: The DMA speed test has been skipped.

$ cdrecord -v -sao -eject speed=8 fs=256m driveropts=burnfree /var/tmp/image.iso
Cdrecord-ProDVD-ProBD-Clone 2.01.01a67 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 
1995-2009 Jörg Schilling
TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
Linux sg driver version: 3.5.34
Using libscg version 'schily-0.9'.
Driveropts: 'burnfree'
SCSI buffer size: 32768
No target specified, trying to find one...
Using dev=3,0,0.
atapi: 1
Device type: Removable CD-ROM
Version: 5
Response Format: 2
Capabilities   : 
Vendor_info: 'TEAC'
Identifikation : 'DVD+-RW DVW28SLC'
Revision   : 'A.06'
Device seems to be: Gener

Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server upgrading problem

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:46:15 -0600, Roy Wright wrote:

> Was at xorg-server-1.6.3 and current sync tried to upgrade to 1.7.1,  
> which failed to compile.  In researching on b.g.o., discovered that  
> nvidia has not released a driver yet that will work with 1.7.1, so  
> followed the bug report directions and masked out several packages to  
> prevent 1.7.1 upgrading.

I have had xorg-server-1.7.1 and nvidia-drivers-190.42-r[23], working
together since Nov 3rd, with no masking or keywording, although this is
on ~amd64. For a while the newer xorg was blocked but as soon as the
newer nvidia-drivers hit portage, everything upgraded without a hitch.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Reality is an obstacle to hallucination.


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[gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server upgrading problem

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 11/09/2009 02:46 AM, Roy Wright wrote:

Howdy,

I have a home server/htpc (~x86) that I'm finally updating after a few
months and I hit an issue with xorg-server. Here's the background:

Was at xorg-server-1.6.3 and current sync tried to upgrade to 1.7.1,
which failed to compile. In researching on b.g.o., discovered that
nvidia has not released a driver yet that will work with 1.7.1, so
followed the bug report directions and masked out several packages to
prevent 1.7.1 upgrading.


I think the bug about ati-drivers should help:

  http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290739

From that bug, follow those two comments *exactly*:

  http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290739#c3
  http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290739#c6

This should get you to a correctly installed 1.6.5 again.

[gentoo-user] xorg-server upgrading problem

[Roy Wright]

Howdy,

I have a home server/htpc (~x86) that I'm finally updating after a few  
months and I hit an issue with xorg-server.  Here's the background:


Was at xorg-server-1.6.3 and current sync tried to upgrade to 1.7.1,  
which failed to compile.  In researching on b.g.o., discovered that  
nvidia has not released a driver yet that will work with 1.7.1, so  
followed the bug report directions and masked out several packages to  
prevent 1.7.1 upgrading.


So next attempt at upgrading was to 1.6.5.  That failed too, so back  
to b.g.o. where the first directions were to install nvidia- 
drivers-190.42.  But nvidia-drivers has a dependency to xorg- 
server-1.6.5, so had to mask >1.6.3 to get nvidia to emerge.  Then hit  
the bug with nvidia-settings with the work around of symbolically  
linking /usr/include/X11/extensions/xf86vmproto.h to /usr/include/X11/ 
extensions/xf86vmode.h.  Finally removed the >xorg-server-1.6.3 mask  
and successfully emerged.


So now it looks like I have xorg-server-1.6.5 and nvidia- 
drivers-190.42 installed.


But when starting the xorg server, it is unable to load glx, dri, and  
dri2 modules:


xbmc log # grep EE Xorg.0.log
Current Operating System: Linux xbmc 2.6.29-gentoo-r2 #7 SMP PREEMPT  
Sun Jun 21 10:15:29 CDT 2009 i686

(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(EE) Failed to load module "glx" (module does not exist, 0)
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(EE) Failed to load module "dri" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) Failed to load module "dri2" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) Nov 08 13:48:35 NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module;  
please check in your X
(EE) Nov 08 13:48:35 NVIDIA(0): log file that the GLX module has  
been loaded in your X
(EE) Nov 08 13:48:35 NVIDIA(0): server, and that the module is the  
NVIDIA GLX module.  If
(EE) Nov 08 13:48:35 NVIDIA(0): you continue to encounter  
problems, Please try

(EE) Nov 08 13:48:35 NVIDIA(0): reinstalling the NVIDIA driver.
(EE) Microsoft Natural Keyboard Pro: failed to initialize for relative  
axes.
(EE) Gyration Gyration RF Technology Receiver: failed to initialize  
for relative axes.


I've even rebooted and still see the same problem.

I'm not having any luck finding a hint on b.g.o. or with searching (I  
use startpage instead of google).


Here's my xorg.conf which works with xorg-server-1.6.3 (it's a little  
explicit because it is connected (DVI) to an A/V receiver (Yamaha RX- 
V861) which doesn't pass thru EDID):


Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen  0  "Screen0" 0 0
EndSection

Section "Files"
ModulePath   "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
FontPath "built-ins"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load  "glx"
Load  "dbe"
Load  "extmod"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
   # Block type: 2:0 3:fc
   Identifier "FPD TV"
   VendorName "HTC"
   ModelName "FPD TV"
   # Block type: 2:0 3:fc
   # Block type: 2:0 3:fd
   HorizSync 15-70
   VertRefresh 59-61
   # Max dot clock (video bandwidth) 150 MHz
   # DPMS capabilities: Active off:no  Suspend:no  Standby:no

   Mode"1920x1080" # vfreq 60.000Hz, hfreq 67.500kHz
DotClock148.50
HTimings1920 2008 2052 2200
VTimings1080 1084 1089 1125
Flags   "+HSync" "+VSync"
   EndMode
   Mode"1920x540"  # vfreq 60.053Hz, hfreq 33.750kHz
DotClock74.25
HTimings1920 2008 2052 2200
VTimings540 542 547 562
Flags   "Interlace" "+HSync" "+VSync"
   EndMode
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "Card0"
Driver  "nvidia"
VendorName  "nVidia Corporation"
Option  "RenderAccel" "true"
   Option "ModeValidation" "NoDFPNativeResolutionCheck,  
NoMaxSizeCheck"

   Option "NoLogo" "true"
   Option "ConnectedMonitor" "DFP"
   Option  "TVStandard""HD1080p"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor"FPD TV"

# depth of 16 breaks xbmc
   DefaultDepth24

   Option "renderAccel" "true"
   Option "ExactModeTimingsDVI" "true"
   Option "NoLogo" "true"
   Option "DynamicTwinView" "false"
   Option "UseEvents" "true"
   Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
   Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true"
   Option "FlatPanelProperties" "Scaling = Native"

SubSection "Display"
   Depth24
   Modes "1920x1080" "1080p" "1080i" "720p" "720i" "480p"  
"480i" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"

Virtual 1920 1080
EndSubSection
EndSection


Any ideas?

TIA,
Roy

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.3.73 I've disabled right mouse buttons

[Dale]

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Montag 09 November 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>   
>> On Monday 09 November 2009 01:24:32 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sonntag 08 November 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>>   
 KDE-4.3.73 from kde-testing.

 I was playing around with the desktop and found new shiny extra stuff
 on the right-click context menu. Including configs for mouse buttons
 presses.

 Now I have no right click on the desktop (everywhere else works) and
 middle click is disabled everywhere. Being an old-time X lad, this
 grieves me greatly.

 Systemsettings has nothing I can see about this - 1000s of hotkeys for
 keyboard, nothing for mouse clicks. Any ideas on how to revert this
 desktop change?
 
>>> no, but luckily you can use grep or find ;)
>>>
>>> find with one of the time options like newer should be able to find you
>>> the affected config file.
>>>   
>> Tried that, no luck :-(
>>
>> But then I started thinking like a user and not like a sysadmin. And I saw
>>  the cashew
>>
>> 
>
> wouldn't work here - ihatethecashew made it disappear ;)
>
>
>   

I thought a cashew was a peanut or something?  Why is there a nut in KDE
4?  I'm not using KDE 4 yet.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Dale]

Stroller wrote:
>
> On 8 Nov 2009, at 23:02, Dale wrote:
>> ...
>> I do find this funny tho.  Someone spends the better part of a day
>> installing Gentoo ...
>
> You're doing it wrong.

Nope, older puter.  I've installed Gentoo quite a few times.  I have
done it without a install guide before.  I've even done it over shh all
the way around the world.

>
>> ... Most compiles take longer to finish than configing a kernel.
>
> I personally don't spend time sitting there watching the progress of
> compilations. I run them, ignore them, so back when they're finished.
>
> Stroller.
>
>

I don't either.  While one thing is compiling, I'm on another console
doing something else like getting the network ready or whatever else can
be done.  Again, I have installed Gentoo a few times.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.3.73 I've disabled right mouse buttons

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Montag 09 November 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Monday 09 November 2009 01:24:32 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Sonntag 08 November 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > KDE-4.3.73 from kde-testing.
> > >
> > > I was playing around with the desktop and found new shiny extra stuff
> > > on the right-click context menu. Including configs for mouse buttons
> > > presses.
> > >
> > > Now I have no right click on the desktop (everywhere else works) and
> > > middle click is disabled everywhere. Being an old-time X lad, this
> > > grieves me greatly.
> > >
> > > Systemsettings has nothing I can see about this - 1000s of hotkeys for
> > > keyboard, nothing for mouse clicks. Any ideas on how to revert this
> > > desktop change?
> >
> > no, but luckily you can use grep or find ;)
> >
> > find with one of the time options like newer should be able to find you
> > the affected config file.
> 
> Tried that, no luck :-(
> 
> But then I started thinking like a user and not like a sysadmin. And I saw
>  the cashew
> 

wouldn't work here - ihatethecashew made it disappear ;)

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.3.73 I've disabled right mouse buttons

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Monday 09 November 2009 01:04:40 Dale wrote:
>   
>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> 
>>> KDE-4.3.73 from kde-testing.
>>>
>>> I was playing around with the desktop and found new shiny extra stuff on
>>> the right-click context menu. Including configs for mouse buttons
>>> presses.
>>>
>>> Now I have no right click on the desktop (everywhere else works) and
>>> middle click is disabled everywhere. Being an old-time X lad, this
>>> grieves me greatly.
>>>
>>> Systemsettings has nothing I can see about this - 1000s of hotkeys for
>>> keyboard, nothing for mouse clicks. Any ideas on how to revert this
>>> desktop change?
>>>   
>> LOL
>>
>> rm -rfv ~/.kde*
>>
>> I know you aren't going to do that tho.
>> 
>
> Too damn tootin' right I ain't gonna do that :-)
>
> I fixed it meanwhile. The solution is obvious once you see it - click the 
> cashew.
>
> p.s. you do know that sometime in the next 30 days you'll need to load a new 
> overlay to keep kde-3.5? Either that or take the plunge.
>
>   

I got two installs.  I plan on using the other one, with NO updates,
until KDE 4 is working for me.  If that fails, I got the Mandriva DVD
and will use it for a month or two.

I got a plan.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 09 November 2009 01:21:24 Stroller wrote:
> > And yet you use gentoo
> >
> > Considering what gentoo is and how one interfaces with it, should  
> > you not
> > rather be using a binary distro where someone else does the heavy  
> > lifting?
> > Something like Fedora, OpenSuse, Ubuntu?
> 
> Not at all.
> 
> Are you taking this discussion combatively?
> 

Not at all. I just find it odd that you use gentoo by choice, get to grips 
with defining *exactly* what you need and want, take steps to do just that, do 
it, and then don't do it with the kernel. In fact, you do the opposite.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Dale]

Harry Putnam wrote:
> Stroller  writes:
>
>   
>> Any time I spend messing with obscure kernel config options is time I
>> could be spending reading a good book, instead [1].
>> Sorry, spending time configuring my kernel loses, as does this thread.
>> 
>
> I'm with you Stroller.
>
> Although I do  have to admit and should admit since I'm OP on this
> thread.  If I had of inserted the .config from running kernel.  I
> would have been done on the first try.. The dozen or so questions were
> nearly all no answers.  A few didn't default the way I wanted so I didn't
> accept the default... maybe two were like that.
>
> I fully agree with your point about what it really takes to `know' how
> to configure a kernel.  People get a little too much mileage from the
> breezy ` I do it in 5 minutes' line.  When all they really did was
> move the .config file.
>
>   

Maybe 20 minutes if you don't just move the .config tho.  It's not that
hard to do.  Heck, the hardest part to me is finding out what chips is
on cards and stuff.  I usually do that before I but tho.  I like the
zoom feature on newegg for that reason.  You can read what chips are on
drive controllers and such.  Then you know what drivers to use and
whether it will work or not.

I could probably config mine now in less than ten minutes since I know
my hardware. 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.3.73 I've disabled right mouse buttons

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 09 November 2009 01:24:32 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Sonntag 08 November 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > KDE-4.3.73 from kde-testing.
> >
> > I was playing around with the desktop and found new shiny extra stuff on
> >  the right-click context menu. Including configs for mouse buttons
> > presses.
> >
> > Now I have no right click on the desktop (everywhere else works) and
> > middle click is disabled everywhere. Being an old-time X lad, this
> > grieves me greatly.
> >
> > Systemsettings has nothing I can see about this - 1000s of hotkeys for
> > keyboard, nothing for mouse clicks. Any ideas on how to revert this
> > desktop change?
> 
> no, but luckily you can use grep or find ;)
> 
> find with one of the time options like newer should be able to find you the
> affected config file.

Tried that, no luck :-(

But then I started thinking like a user and not like a sysadmin. And I saw the 
cashew 

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Montag 09 November 2009, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Stroller  writes:
> > Any time I spend messing with obscure kernel config options is time I
> > could be spending reading a good book, instead [1].
> > Sorry, spending time configuring my kernel loses, as does this thread.
> 
> I'm with you Stroller.
> 
> Although I do  have to admit and should admit since I'm OP on this
> thread.  If I had of inserted the .config from running kernel.  I
> would have been done on the first try.. The dozen or so questions were
> nearly all no answers.  A few didn't default the way I wanted so I didn't
> accept the default... maybe two were like that.
> 
> I fully agree with your point about what it really takes to `know' how
> to configure a kernel.  People get a little too much mileage from the
> breezy ` I do it in 5 minutes' line.  When all they really did was
> move the .config file.
> 

configuring is easy.

enable the hardware you have.
disable the hardware you don't have.
read the help to all options that are default on - do you really need it? 
Really?
read the help to all options that are off but might be usefull for you.
change when you know it better (ondemand in, userspace governor out, 
performance default governor for example).

do it a few times, kernel configuring becomes very easy.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

first kernel I configured and 'maked' myself was 2.2.14 and I was scared. When 
it finaly booted and everything worked I was overjoyed.

I wad even more overjoyed when it performed a lot better than Suse's 2.2.10... 
which was a bit swap-happy.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.3.73 I've disabled right mouse buttons

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Sonntag 08 November 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> KDE-4.3.73 from kde-testing.
> 
> I was playing around with the desktop and found new shiny extra stuff on
>  the right-click context menu. Including configs for mouse buttons presses.
> 
> Now I have no right click on the desktop (everywhere else works) and middle
> click is disabled everywhere. Being an old-time X lad, this grieves me
> greatly.
> 
> Systemsettings has nothing I can see about this - 1000s of hotkeys for
> keyboard, nothing for mouse clicks. Any ideas on how to revert this desktop
> change?
> 

no, but luckily you can use grep or find ;)

find with one of the time options like newer should be able to find you the 
affected config file.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Stroller]

On 8 Nov 2009, at 23:02, Dale wrote:

...
I do find this funny tho.  Someone spends the better part of a day
installing Gentoo ...


You're doing it wrong.


... Most compiles take longer to finish than configing a kernel.


I personally don't spend time sitting there watching the progress of  
compilations. I run them, ignore them, so back when they're finished.


Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 09 November 2009 01:02:34 Dale wrote:
> I do find this funny tho.  Someone spends the better part of a day
> installing Gentoo but doesn't think building their own kernel is worth
> it.  Most compiles take longer to finish than configing a kernel. 
> 

Here's a funnier one:

I've actually seen posts from people who think nothing of running 

emerge -e world

in an attempt to "fix" some perceived "problem". And they do it often. In the 
next breath they say they prefer gedit because all that bash stuff is 
complicated.

I dunno, I just don't. It looks too much like a mechanic who has deep issues 
with the design of spanners.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.3.73 I've disabled right mouse buttons

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 09 November 2009 01:04:40 Dale wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > KDE-4.3.73 from kde-testing.
> >
> > I was playing around with the desktop and found new shiny extra stuff on
> > the right-click context menu. Including configs for mouse buttons
> > presses.
> >
> > Now I have no right click on the desktop (everywhere else works) and
> > middle click is disabled everywhere. Being an old-time X lad, this
> > grieves me greatly.
> >
> > Systemsettings has nothing I can see about this - 1000s of hotkeys for
> > keyboard, nothing for mouse clicks. Any ideas on how to revert this
> > desktop change?
> 
> LOL
> 
> rm -rfv ~/.kde*
> 
> I know you aren't going to do that tho.

Too damn tootin' right I ain't gonna do that :-)

I fixed it meanwhile. The solution is obvious once you see it - click the 
cashew.

p.s. you do know that sometime in the next 30 days you'll need to load a new 
overlay to keep kde-3.5? Either that or take the plunge.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Stroller]

On 8 Nov 2009, at 22:51, Alan McKinnon wrote:


On Monday 09 November 2009 00:41:08 Stroller wrote:

Any time I spend messing with obscure kernel config options is time I
could be spending reading a good book, instead [1].
Sorry, spending time configuring my kernel loses, as does this  
thread.


And yet you use gentoo

Considering what gentoo is and how one interfaces with it, should  
you not
rather be using a binary distro where someone else does the heavy  
lifting?

Something like Fedora, OpenSuse, Ubuntu?


Not at all.

Are you taking this discussion combatively?

I like Gentoo, I'm used to it, familiar with it (at least fairly so),  
I find it easy. When I've tried other distros I've found myself  
wasting time for various reasons.


I find CLI configuration reassuring - this is basically why I switched  
away from Windows - because at the command line I "know" that an  
operation has performed successfully, instead of having to rely on a  
checkbox which is supposed to work like magic.


I suspect that, ultimately, it's the USE flags that save me time. If I  
have to recompile _by hand_ just one or two programs because a binary  
distro doesn't include the options I need, or because it adds GUI  
dependencies which I don't want "cluttering up" my headless server,  
then that is probably a bigger waste of my time than using Gentoo.  
Remember that if I do that I also have to manage those packages  
manually, check for updates, worry about them getting clobbered by the  
distro's own updates, have hassle when other installed packages demand  
a dependency which I have fulfilled with this manual installation.


What do you think is demanding or time-wasting about Gentoo?

I just don't see why I should spend time messing with something, just  
because you (or Volker or anyone, not to make this personal) doesn't  
like the way it "looks". When it works perfectly!


Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] maildrop and cleaning multipart MIME emails to plain text. (T-Moble tmomail.net service)

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 09 November 2009 01:04:55 Stroller wrote:
> I feel kinda ridiculous having to write such a long email - and  
> perhaps spend a bunch more time writing scripts - to handle such a  
> stupid thing. I guess the ridiculous thing is the cell company adding  
> all this junk to a simple text message. But I can really imagine this  
> formatting getting my goat enormously over time, and I don't want to  
> get annoyed at my friend over such a trivial thing.


To my mind, the solution seems obvious:

Change your friend's behaviour, because you are unlikely to change T-Mobile.

Just tell her that her messages are an unreadable mess that no sane person on 
the planet can work with, and she should please use a different means of 
communicating with you. Real friends will understand.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Zeerak Waseem]

On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:02:34 +0100, Dale  wrote:


Alan McKinnon wrote:

On Monday 09 November 2009 00:20:45 Dale wrote:


What he said plus this little tidbit of info.  When I built my first
kernel, I had no howto except for the basic instructions in the Gentoo
install guide.  This was about 6 years or so ago and there was not a  
lot

on configuring a kernel except for the options Gentoo needed.  It took
me three tries to get one to boot and work pretty well and all of a  
hour

at most.  A lot of that hour was compiling the kernel.




Three tries Dale? Only three?

You deserve a medal for that. My first attempt took at least 10 goes

;-)





I didn't say it was perfect, I said it booted and worked pretty well.
Now getting the sensors, USB and some other odds and ends took a few
more.  Once I got booted tho, I was ginning pretty good.  You also have
to keep in mind, my system is not real complicated.  Basically, chipset,
file system, and sound card to start with.  USB was the fun one.  I have
to have one USB driver for my printer and another for my camera.  One is
the old style USB 1 and the other is USB 2 or something to that effect.

Point to the OP tho, once I had a good running kernel, make oldconfig
worked for years.  I did have to build one from scratch a year or so
because things changed drastically and oldconfig got confused.  So
basically, I have had to build from scratch twice in the last 5 or 6
years.  I think that shows oldconfig works pretty good.

I do find this funny tho.  Someone spends the better part of a day
installing Gentoo but doesn't think building their own kernel is worth
it.  Most compiles take longer to finish than configing a kernel.

Dale

:-)  :-)




I can only speak for myself, but part of what makes the "gentoo  
experience" for me is knowing that my kernel, software etc. is built to my  
basic needs. And building and configuring a kernel really doesn't take as  
much time as you might spend on various unnecessary pursuits (ie. reading  
webcomics, articles that can wait, reading the news that'll be broadcasted  
to you later through a tv-news programme). But as others have said, if  
you're not interested in spending time on making it tick, and just want an  
easy fix, then go for a binary distro.
Of course, if you decide to read the book, well then, there's the off  
chance that you might just find it interesting and read it, not because it  
can be useful, but because it sparks your interest.
And no, configuring a kernel from scratch doesn't (take me) 5 minutes, but  
the half hour it does take, are well spent.

--
Zeerak

[gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Harry Putnam]

Stroller  writes:

> Any time I spend messing with obscure kernel config options is time I
> could be spending reading a good book, instead [1].
> Sorry, spending time configuring my kernel loses, as does this thread.

I'm with you Stroller.

Although I do  have to admit and should admit since I'm OP on this
thread.  If I had of inserted the .config from running kernel.  I
would have been done on the first try.. The dozen or so questions were
nearly all no answers.  A few didn't default the way I wanted so I didn't
accept the default... maybe two were like that.

I fully agree with your point about what it really takes to `know' how
to configure a kernel.  People get a little too much mileage from the
breezy ` I do it in 5 minutes' line.  When all they really did was
move the .config file.

[gentoo-user] maildrop and cleaning multipart MIME emails to plain text. (T-Moble tmomail.net service)

[Stroller]

Hi there,

A friend has started sending text messages from her phone to my email  
address. They arrive with a from: address of 1212121...@tmomail.net  
(where 1212121212 is her cell number) and I can reply to them and  
that's all great, but they come annoyingly encumbered with a bunch of  
T-Mobile .gif images and such clutter. The plain text of these  
messages are only a few words, yet the email is 25kb in size because  
of all these images!


If I look at the message source it shows rubbish like this:

   --=_Part_1260035_17792989.1257702378190
   Content-Type: text/html
   Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
   Content-Location: 01smil
   Content-ID: <>
   Content-Disposition: inline

   
 
   =09=09T-Mobile=20
   =09=09
   =09=09
   
   =09=09
   =09
   =09topmargin=3D=

   "0" bgcolor=3D"#ff">
   =09=09cellpadding=3D"0"=



All this to say, pretty much, "how are you? lol"!  (and the above is  
severely truncated - I only show it to show what a mess this is!)


What I find really aggravating about this is that if I click reply  
then my mail reader will quote an HTML table (which T-Mobile used to  
arrange their pretty graphics) and yet won't actually attach the  
original graphics themselves, so I see this big ugly of quoted:


   
   
   
   

The great thing about these messages are that they appear to contain a  
plain text section:


   --=_Part_125_2792974.3457702378123
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; name=Text01.txt
   Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
   Content-Location: Text01.txt
   Content-Disposition: inline
   Content-ID: <555>

   how are you? lol
   --=_Part_125_2792974.3457702378123


So my big question is, can anyone suggest any tools for reformatting  
the message as plain text only, and dumping all the crap?


I would love it if there's a tool that will just do the whole job for  
me, but I'm prepared to hack together my own Bash script if necessary.


I really want to leave the headers intact, so that I can get maildrop  
to perform the action, and it'll come into my mailbox still looking  
like an ordinary email, but a plain text one, and with the subject and  
reply-to address unchanged.


I really want to get maildrop to *still* send me the original message  
with all the crap in it, but *also* this plain text copy - there are  
indicators that the service is MMS based, so it's possible that  
attachments could be sent, and I don't want to just dump a photo,  
should one be sent.


Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

I feel kinda ridiculous having to write such a long email - and  
perhaps spend a bunch more time writing scripts - to handle such a  
stupid thing. I guess the ridiculous thing is the cell company adding  
all this junk to a simple text message. But I can really imagine this  
formatting getting my goat enormously over time, and I don't want to  
get annoyed at my friend over such a trivial thing.


Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE-4.3.73 I've disabled right mouse buttons

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> KDE-4.3.73 from kde-testing.
>
> I was playing around with the desktop and found new shiny extra stuff on the 
> right-click context menu. Including configs for mouse buttons presses.
>
> Now I have no right click on the desktop (everywhere else works) and middle 
> click is disabled everywhere. Being an old-time X lad, this grieves me 
> greatly.
>
> Systemsettings has nothing I can see about this - 1000s of hotkeys for 
> keyboard, nothing for mouse clicks. Any ideas on how to revert this desktop 
> change?
>
>   

LOL 

rm -rfv ~/.kde*

I know you aren't going to do that tho.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Monday 09 November 2009 00:20:45 Dale wrote:
>   
>> What he said plus this little tidbit of info.  When I built my first
>> kernel, I had no howto except for the basic instructions in the Gentoo
>> install guide.  This was about 6 years or so ago and there was not a lot
>> on configuring a kernel except for the options Gentoo needed.  It took
>> me three tries to get one to boot and work pretty well and all of a hour
>> at most.  A lot of that hour was compiling the kernel. 
>>
>> 
>
> Three tries Dale? Only three?
>
> You deserve a medal for that. My first attempt took at least 10 goes
>
> ;-)
>
>
>   

I didn't say it was perfect, I said it booted and worked pretty well. 
Now getting the sensors, USB and some other odds and ends took a few
more.  Once I got booted tho, I was ginning pretty good.  You also have
to keep in mind, my system is not real complicated.  Basically, chipset,
file system, and sound card to start with.  USB was the fun one.  I have
to have one USB driver for my printer and another for my camera.  One is
the old style USB 1 and the other is USB 2 or something to that effect.

Point to the OP tho, once I had a good running kernel, make oldconfig
worked for years.  I did have to build one from scratch a year or so
because things changed drastically and oldconfig got confused.  So
basically, I have had to build from scratch twice in the last 5 or 6
years.  I think that shows oldconfig works pretty good. 

I do find this funny tho.  Someone spends the better part of a day
installing Gentoo but doesn't think building their own kernel is worth
it.  Most compiles take longer to finish than configing a kernel. 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 09 November 2009 00:41:08 Stroller wrote:
> Any time I spend messing with obscure kernel config options is time I  
> could be spending reading a good book, instead [1].
> Sorry, spending time configuring my kernel loses, as does this thread.

And yet you use gentoo

Considering what gentoo is and how one interfaces with it, should you not 
rather be using a binary distro where someone else does the heavy lifting? 
Something like Fedora, OpenSuse, Ubuntu?

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Acer Aspireone AO751h install hints

[Walter Dnes]

On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 09:15:00AM +, Mick wrote
> Thank you Walter!  I'm about to buy a new laptop and these
> instructions will save me a lot of time and effort.  :-)

  If we're lucky, my bug report will prompt the maintainers to insert
the pata_sch driver module into the install image, and make things a
lot easier for people down the road.

-- 
Walter Dnes 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Stroller]

On 8 Nov 2009, at 22:20, Dale wrote:

...
You seem to think it takes a rocket scientist to build a kernel, it
doesn't.  You just have to know what hardware you have and then enable
the features you need.  ... You can config a kernel in less than five
minutes most likely then compile and you are done.


Thus we get 30-post long threads titled "kernel build - back in the  
soup".


Sure, I might on this occasion prefer that this pegasus driver wasn't  
compiled statically into the kernel, but only because it _confused_ me  
(nothing more). Far more frequently I want to install Linux on a new  
box or plug in a new piece of hardware and not have to worry about  
what driver it uses - I just want the module to be there and to auto- 
load.


Any time I spend messing with obscure kernel config options is time I  
could be spending reading a good book, instead [1].

Sorry, spending time configuring my kernel loses, as does this thread.

Stroller.





[1] Feel free to spend with your kids, lying on a beach, skiing, or  
whatever, as alternatives. 

[gentoo-user] KDE-4.3.73 I've disabled right mouse buttons

[Alan McKinnon]

KDE-4.3.73 from kde-testing.

I was playing around with the desktop and found new shiny extra stuff on the 
right-click context menu. Including configs for mouse buttons presses.

Now I have no right click on the desktop (everywhere else works) and middle 
click is disabled everywhere. Being an old-time X lad, this grieves me 
greatly.

Systemsettings has nothing I can see about this - 1000s of hotkeys for 
keyboard, nothing for mouse clicks. Any ideas on how to revert this desktop 
change?

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 09 November 2009 00:20:45 Dale wrote:
> What he said plus this little tidbit of info.  When I built my first
> kernel, I had no howto except for the basic instructions in the Gentoo
> install guide.  This was about 6 years or so ago and there was not a lot
> on configuring a kernel except for the options Gentoo needed.  It took
> me three tries to get one to boot and work pretty well and all of a hour
> at most.  A lot of that hour was compiling the kernel. 
> 

Three tries Dale? Only three?

You deserve a medal for that. My first attempt took at least 10 goes

;-)


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sunday 08 November 2009 23:20:31 Stroller wrote:
>   
>>> You really need to learn to make your own kernel. ...
>>>   
>> Whilst I agree in principle that a good (slim?) kernel is better and  
>> your comments on that, I am sceptical whether the majority of people  
>> have the knowledge to make any significant performance or security  
>> improvements.
>>
>> AIUI the kernels shipped by distros like Red Hat, for instance, are  
>> configured by the very people that work on and maintain the mainline  
>> kernel tree. How can any of us simple end-users compete with that?
>>
>> I imagine it to be very easy for any of us normal people to enable or  
>> disable options that make significant performance impact - but we  
>> would never know it, because we're not benchtesting it or even  
>> qualified to assess proper benchtests.
>>
>> I cannot believe that in a day you could study this subject  
>> sufficiently to have any reasonable competence on the matter. And thus  
>> if you do spend only a day, that's wasted time. I would add that the  
>> kernel is evolving constantly, and in a year's time your knowledge -  
>> and your .config - is likely to be at least somewhat outdated.
>>
>> I chose to copy the .config from Knoppix because it's easy to get hold  
>> of that, but also because it's selected by someone who knows more than  
>> me, and it is likely to work with any hardware I install into my  
>> machine or connect by USB. I take Volker's point that a LiveCD .config  
>> could be the worst possible choice so I'm open to alternatives, but  
>> I hope those who say I should "learn to make your own kernel"  
>> appreciate my points over how effectual that will be - sure, I can  
>> delete my .config and start again with `make menuconfig` and I can go  
>> through every option and read the help, and I'm sure I'll get just as  
>> good results as 80% of the people on this list, but I just don't know  
>> that that's much of an answer.
>> 
>
> You are reading way more into the subject than is actually there.
>
> Red Hat employees do work on mainline and do write kernel code. But finding a 
> bug, writing new code and fixing security exploits are very different 
> activities to simply configuring the code that is there. And that is what RH 
> do - they take the code that is already there, apply whatever backport and 
> experimental patches suits their distro, then go through menuconfig switching 
> some things on and some things off. Their needs are different to yours - they 
> need their kernel to run on just about any hardware on the planet, so they 
> build a horrendously complex initrd with support for every known boot device, 
> then build every module that even half-way works. And also enable every known 
> kernel sub-system (because someone somewhere is going to use it).
>
> By your analogy, you might consider Red Hat more qualified than you to decide 
> if you should build an MTA with or without LDAP support. Which is of course 
> patently ridiculous - if you know you need LDAP then you need it. Otherwise 
> you don't (and this is not a security issue, it's a features issue)
>
> If you configure your own kernel, you only need build the bits you use. The 
> sole benefit for a Gentoo users to using a custom distro kernel is support 
> for 
> things not in mainline (like some entire FibreChannel product ranges out 
> there). But please note that even if you copy an RH .config, you do not have 
> those patches to hand so you will not get those extra features. Unless you 
> patched the ebuild yourself, in which case you are already au-fait with 
> building a kernel and we would not be having this discussion.
>
> In summary, I hear your reasoning and understand your concerns. But it is 
> flawed and you are worried about something that is not actually there.
>
>   

What he said plus this little tidbit of info.  When I built my first
kernel, I had no howto except for the basic instructions in the Gentoo
install guide.  This was about 6 years or so ago and there was not a lot
on configuring a kernel except for the options Gentoo needed.  It took
me three tries to get one to boot and work pretty well and all of a hour
at most.  A lot of that hour was compiling the kernel. 

You seem to think it takes a rocket scientist to build a kernel, it
doesn't.  You just have to know what hardware you have and then enable
the features you need.  Once you get a good one built, using make
oldconfig works really well.  You can config a kernel in less than five
minutes most likely then compile and you are done.  If you update fairly
regular, make oldconfig will work fine and not cause you the trouble you
had in the beginning.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] Re: Unclaimed display?

[Nicolas Sebrecht]

On Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 11:23:45AM +, Mick wrote:

> The lspci output does not show a driver either ...

It seems the system can't find the good driver for this hardware. There
may be various reasons:
- driver not compiled/installed ;
- version of this driver failing ;
- wrong Linux kernel configuration ;
- etc.

You have to manually load/unload the drivers that you think should work
to do your own tests.

-- 
Nicolas Sebrecht

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sunday 08 November 2009 23:20:31 Stroller wrote:
> > You really need to learn to make your own kernel. ...
> 
> Whilst I agree in principle that a good (slim?) kernel is better and  
> your comments on that, I am sceptical whether the majority of people  
> have the knowledge to make any significant performance or security  
> improvements.
> 
> AIUI the kernels shipped by distros like Red Hat, for instance, are  
> configured by the very people that work on and maintain the mainline  
> kernel tree. How can any of us simple end-users compete with that?
> 
> I imagine it to be very easy for any of us normal people to enable or  
> disable options that make significant performance impact - but we  
> would never know it, because we're not benchtesting it or even  
> qualified to assess proper benchtests.
> 
> I cannot believe that in a day you could study this subject  
> sufficiently to have any reasonable competence on the matter. And thus  
> if you do spend only a day, that's wasted time. I would add that the  
> kernel is evolving constantly, and in a year's time your knowledge -  
> and your .config - is likely to be at least somewhat outdated.
> 
> I chose to copy the .config from Knoppix because it's easy to get hold  
> of that, but also because it's selected by someone who knows more than  
> me, and it is likely to work with any hardware I install into my  
> machine or connect by USB. I take Volker's point that a LiveCD .config  
> could be the worst possible choice so I'm open to alternatives, but  
> I hope those who say I should "learn to make your own kernel"  
> appreciate my points over how effectual that will be - sure, I can  
> delete my .config and start again with `make menuconfig` and I can go  
> through every option and read the help, and I'm sure I'll get just as  
> good results as 80% of the people on this list, but I just don't know  
> that that's much of an answer.

You are reading way more into the subject than is actually there.

Red Hat employees do work on mainline and do write kernel code. But finding a 
bug, writing new code and fixing security exploits are very different 
activities to simply configuring the code that is there. And that is what RH 
do - they take the code that is already there, apply whatever backport and 
experimental patches suits their distro, then go through menuconfig switching 
some things on and some things off. Their needs are different to yours - they 
need their kernel to run on just about any hardware on the planet, so they 
build a horrendously complex initrd with support for every known boot device, 
then build every module that even half-way works. And also enable every known 
kernel sub-system (because someone somewhere is going to use it).

By your analogy, you might consider Red Hat more qualified than you to decide 
if you should build an MTA with or without LDAP support. Which is of course 
patently ridiculous - if you know you need LDAP then you need it. Otherwise 
you don't (and this is not a security issue, it's a features issue)

If you configure your own kernel, you only need build the bits you use. The 
sole benefit for a Gentoo users to using a custom distro kernel is support for 
things not in mainline (like some entire FibreChannel product ranges out 
there). But please note that even if you copy an RH .config, you do not have 
those patches to hand so you will not get those extra features. Unless you 
patched the ebuild yourself, in which case you are already au-fait with 
building a kernel and we would not be having this discussion.

In summary, I hear your reasoning and understand your concerns. But it is 
flawed and you are worried about something that is not actually there.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Stroller]

On 8 Nov 2009, at 06:55, Dale wrote:

...
I am not you, but I need maybe 5min for a config ;)

and there are more benefits. Smaller binary, more cpu cache free  
for real data.
Better performance lies that way. Also, you don't have to wonder  
about
processes you did not start. Security is also a point. A smaller  
codebase in
use is a saver codebase in use. A lot of bugs only affect kernels  
with certain
features turned on - it is very relaxing if you  don't have that  
feature...


I agree.  When I first installed Gentoo I had never built a kernel or
even run make menuconfig.  It took me three tries to get a bootable
kernel but it was worth it.  I don't put something in my kernel that
isn't needed or that I use, well except for NTFS support.  I may  
have to
rescue my brother one day.  Point being, you only have to build one  
good

kernel then you can copy and run make oldconfig after that.  I'm with
Volker on this, 5 minutes at most once you get a good build.  If you
know your system really well, you may can start from scratch and  
config

one in that time.

You really need to learn to make your own kernel. ...


Whilst I agree in principle that a good (slim?) kernel is better and  
your comments on that, I am sceptical whether the majority of people  
have the knowledge to make any significant performance or security  
improvements.


AIUI the kernels shipped by distros like Red Hat, for instance, are  
configured by the very people that work on and maintain the mainline  
kernel tree. How can any of us simple end-users compete with that?


I imagine it to be very easy for any of us normal people to enable or  
disable options that make significant performance impact - but we  
would never know it, because we're not benchtesting it or even  
qualified to assess proper benchtests.


I cannot believe that in a day you could study this subject  
sufficiently to have any reasonable competence on the matter. And thus  
if you do spend only a day, that's wasted time. I would add that the  
kernel is evolving constantly, and in a year's time your knowledge -  
and your .config - is likely to be at least somewhat outdated.


I chose to copy the .config from Knoppix because it's easy to get hold  
of that, but also because it's selected by someone who knows more than  
me, and it is likely to work with any hardware I install into my  
machine or connect by USB. I take Volker's point that a LiveCD .config  
_could_ be the worst possible choice so I'm open to alternatives, but  
I hope those who say I should "learn to make your own kernel"  
appreciate my points over how effectual that will be - sure, I can  
delete my .config and start again with `make menuconfig` and I can go  
through every option and read the help, and I'm sure I'll get just as  
good results as 80% of the people on this list, but I just don't know  
that that's much of an answer.


Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody using Seamonkey 2 ?

[Dale]

Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:32:09 -0600, Dale  wrote:
>   
>> Call me chicken, I'll wait a little bit to let them fix the bugs.  I use
>> almost the whole thing so I want to be sure it is safe. 
>> 
>
> If I were using the mail stuff I'd certainly do that. I would wait until I
> am relatively sure that everything is going to work. For web usage it
> really doesn't matter to have an occasional problem, and anyway in that
> regard seamonkey 2 is going pretty well. But mail is another story. :)
>
> In any case, if you are going to test it be sure to make backups, just in
> case.
>   

Oh I will be making backups for sure.  Seamonkey is sort of like KDE4,
I'm hoping to be able to use the new ones real soon.  KDE4 still has a
few things missing that makes it unusable for me.  It is getting a LOT
closer tho. 

Glad to hear the web browsing part is good tho. 

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT?} What happened to iexplore in wine?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sunday 08 November 2009 21:56:36 Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:34:35 -0800, Grant  wrote:
> > I haven't used wine's /usr/bin/iexplore to test a website in IE for
> 
> a
> 
> > while, and now it looks like that binary is no longer installed.
> >  Does
> > anyone know how to get it, or if there is a replacement of some
> 
> sort?
> 
> > I looked at the files installed by wine in /usr/bin but didn't see
> > anything.
> >>>
> >>> Great site, I will use that a lot.
> >>>
> >>> The nice thing about iexplore is it lets you interact with the
> >>> browser, and some pages I need to test are the result of a POST.
> >>>
> >>> My memory failed me before.  iexplore is run like this:
> >>>
> >>> wine iexplore www.example.com
> >>>
> >>> For me the window it loads is blank though.  Is it working for anyone
> >>> else?
> >>
> >> I didn't know this command, it works well for me.
> >>
> >> Boris
> >
> > It's working for me now too.  I just needed to wait a while for it to
> > fully load.
> >
> > - Grant
> 
> That's not the MS Internet Explorer. If you are using it to check your
> site compatibility with MSIE then you are doing it wrong. If you want MSIE,
> you have to install MSIE.

A word of warning though - it's fragile, often doesn't install right and tends 
to break often with each successive version of wine. And that's IE6. We won't 
even talk about IE7...

IE6 installs nicely into a Crossover-Office bottle though. It's worth the 
price of a CrossOver license if you really need Windows stuff for work.

Alternatively, winetricks by Dan Kegel helps with all the drudge work of 
installing into vanilla wine whatever crapfest of dependencies IE6 needs. 
Google for it, there's almost always a current thread on the wine forum about 
the most recent procedure.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody using Seamonkey 2 ?

[Jesús Guerrero]

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:32:09 -0600, Dale  wrote:
> Call me chicken, I'll wait a little bit to let them fix the bugs.  I use
> almost the whole thing so I want to be sure it is safe. 

If I were using the mail stuff I'd certainly do that. I would wait until I
am relatively sure that everything is going to work. For web usage it
really doesn't matter to have an occasional problem, and anyway in that
regard seamonkey 2 is going pretty well. But mail is another story. :)

In any case, if you are going to test it be sure to make backups, just in
case.
-- 
Jesús Guerrero

Re: [gentoo-user] sensors on ASUS 1005HA

[Dale]

Philip Webb wrote:
> Everything is working on my netbook except Gkrellm,
> which needs Lm-sensors, which won't compile: "No rule to make
> target 'asm/bitsperlong.h', needed by prog/dump/i2cbusses.rd'.
>
> I can search around, but does anyone have quick advice re what's missing ?
> -- might it be I2C_PIIX4 in the kernel ?
>
> BTW Dale was correct: you do have to re-run Lilo
> after moving the system files back onto the root partition.
>
>   

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=282261

You are not alone and they know about it too.  Maybe it will be fixed
soon. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody using Seamonkey 2 ?

[Dale]

Jesús Guerrero wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:03:54 -0600, Dale  wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> I noticed that the Seamonkey Project has released Seamonkey 2.0.  I
>> assume this is the same one that is currently masked and keyworded in
>> the tree.  Is anyone using it already?  Any problems?  Lose any old
>> emails or settings that you can notice?  Problems with bugs or things
>> not working?
>>
>> [OT sort of]  My brother needs to upgrade soon and he is currently using
>> windoze XP and Seamonkey 1.  I tried to do a install the other day but
>> it sort of ran into a issue of locking up part way through the install. 
>> He didn't lose anything but I did have to go back to the old version to
>> get it working again.  Anyone here run into a similar problem?  I can't
>> recall exactly where it locked up but it was only about 20% or so of the
>> way through according to the little bar thingy.  I plan to install Linux
>> on his rig once all this KDE stuff gets sorted out. [/OT]
>>
>> Thinking about the upgrade, just looking to see if I should or not since
>> it has some sort of conversion process going on.
>>
>> 
> For me it's working nicely, I use the ebuild in the mozilla overlay
> though. However, I only use the browser, I compile it with moznocompose
> moznoirc moznomail moznoroaming, so I don't know how the rest of the
> components work. Some people have been complaining about the mail reader in
> the seamonkey mailing list lately, so you might want to check the mails
> there.
>   

Call me chicken, I'll wait a little bit to let them fix the bugs.  I use
almost the whole thing so I want to be sure it is safe. 

Thanks for the reply tho.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] sensors on ASUS 1005HA

[Philip Webb]

091108 Peter Ruskin wrote:
> On Sunday 08 November 2009 19:04:21 Philip Webb wrote:
>> Everything is working on my netbook except Gkrellm,
>> which needs Lm-sensors, which won't compile: "No rule to make
>> target 'asm/bitsperlong.h', needed by prog/dump/i2cbusses.rd'.
>> might it be I2C_PIIX4 in the kernel ?
> lm_sensors failed to build for me too,
> although I just retried and it did work.

Was that one of those random failures which happen occasionally
or did you change something meanwhile ?

> I discovered sys-apps/xmbmon and that works fine with gkrellm.

Gkrellm depends on Lm-sensors:
does that change if Xmbmon has been emerged ?

Anyone else have suggestions ? (Thanks for this one)

-- 
,,
SUPPORT ___//___,   Philip Webb
ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
TRANSIT`-O--O---'   purslowatchassdotutorontodotca

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody using Seamonkey 2 ?

[Jesús Guerrero]

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:03:54 -0600, Dale  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I noticed that the Seamonkey Project has released Seamonkey 2.0.  I
> assume this is the same one that is currently masked and keyworded in
> the tree.  Is anyone using it already?  Any problems?  Lose any old
> emails or settings that you can notice?  Problems with bugs or things
> not working?
> 
> [OT sort of]  My brother needs to upgrade soon and he is currently using
> windoze XP and Seamonkey 1.  I tried to do a install the other day but
> it sort of ran into a issue of locking up part way through the install. 
> He didn't lose anything but I did have to go back to the old version to
> get it working again.  Anyone here run into a similar problem?  I can't
> recall exactly where it locked up but it was only about 20% or so of the
> way through according to the little bar thingy.  I plan to install Linux
> on his rig once all this KDE stuff gets sorted out. [/OT]
> 
> Thinking about the upgrade, just looking to see if I should or not since
> it has some sort of conversion process going on.
> 
For me it's working nicely, I use the ebuild in the mozilla overlay
though. However, I only use the browser, I compile it with moznocompose
moznoirc moznomail moznoroaming, so I don't know how the rest of the
components work. Some people have been complaining about the mail reader in
the seamonkey mailing list lately, so you might want to check the mails
there.
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Re: [gentoo-user] {OT?} What happened to iexplore in wine?

[Jesús Guerrero]

On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:34:35 -0800, Grant  wrote:
> I haven't used wine's /usr/bin/iexplore to test a website in IE for
a
> while, and now it looks like that binary is no longer installed.
>  Does
> anyone know how to get it, or if there is a replacement of some
sort?
> I looked at the files installed by wine in /usr/bin but didn't see
> anything.
>>>
>>> Great site, I will use that a lot.
>>>
>>> The nice thing about iexplore is it lets you interact with the
>>> browser, and some pages I need to test are the result of a POST.
>>>
>>> My memory failed me before.  iexplore is run like this:
>>>
>>> wine iexplore www.example.com
>>>
>>> For me the window it loads is blank though.  Is it working for anyone
>>> else?
>>
>> I didn't know this command, it works well for me.
>>
>> Boris
> 
> It's working for me now too.  I just needed to wait a while for it to
> fully load.
> 
> - Grant

That's not the MS Internet Explorer. If you are using it to check your
site compatibility with MSIE then you are doing it wrong. If you want MSIE,
you have to install MSIE.
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[gentoo-user] Re: Suncom FX2000 Joystick: Buttons but not analog working...

[Marcus Wanner]

On 11/7/2009 9:39 PM, Marcus Wanner wrote:
I have an old Suncom FX200 Joystick which I recently tried to get 
working with my gentoo system. I tried using various methods, with 
outcomes varying from epic fail to almost success, and finally got 
results after following the guide at 
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Joystick


I did what it said in the Kernel Configuration and Gameport Joysticks 
sections (the one uses the parallel port on my sound card), and chose 
the "Classic Analog" joystick driver, as there is not one for my 
specific model (or manufacturer). I compiled, installed, and booted 
into the new kernel, and continued with the testing and calibration.


After emerging the joystick package, I ran the dmesg | grep -i 
Joystick command, and this was the output:
[4.329910] input: Analog 4-axis 4-button joystick as 
/devices/pci:00/:00:1e.0/:02:07.0/gameport0/input/input5


Which was more or less correct, except that it is a 3-axis stick. I 
ran cat /dev/input/js0, which produced the desired garbage data, but 
new data appeared only on button presses, not stick movements, which 
was where I first noticed problems. Anyway, I ran jstest 
/dev/input/js0, which showed that axes 0 and 1 were always at 0 
(regardless of actual stick position), and 2 and 3 were always -32767, 
regardless of the position of the throttle wheel.


I ran jscal -c /dev/input/js0 to calibrate the joystick, and when I 
run it now without the -c option, it outputs:

Joystick has 4 axes and 4 buttons.
Correction for axis 0 is broken line, precision is 0.
Coeficients are: 1789, 2299, 419758, 419758
Correction for axis 1 is broken line, precision is 0.
Coeficients are: 700, 900, 1073741, 1073741
Correction for axis 2 is broken line, precision is 0.
Coeficients are: 1422, 1422, 377546, 377546
Correction for axis 3 is broken line, precision is 0.
Coeficients are: 1422, 1422, 377546, 377546

Ok, so now you all know the facts. Can anyone tell me what I'm doing 
wrong?
Thanks in advance, and for all your previous help with the ethernet 
card drivers!


Marcus

Anyone?

If no one has any advice for that specific stick, how would I go about 
debugging it myself? What about the joydump kernel module?


Marcus

[gentoo-user] sensors on ASUS 1005HA

[Philip Webb]

Everything is working on my netbook except Gkrellm,
which needs Lm-sensors, which won't compile: "No rule to make
target 'asm/bitsperlong.h', needed by prog/dump/i2cbusses.rd'.

I can search around, but does anyone have quick advice re what's missing ?
-- might it be I2C_PIIX4 in the kernel ?

BTW Dale was correct: you do have to re-run Lilo
after moving the system files back onto the root partition.

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Re: [gentoo-user] cdrecord fails to burn dvd

[Joerg Schilling]

José Romildo Malaquias  wrote:

> Hello.
>
> Burning dvds with Cdrecord-ProDVD-ProBD-Clone 2.01.01a67 on my Dell
> Vostro 1510 notebook is always failing.
>
> The device is identified as TEAC DVD+-RW DVW28SLC and can write at 8x
> speed.
>
> The process starts and reports writing at 14.5x, but the media is not
> burnt.  cdrecord reaches but does not finish the fixation stage.  It
> reports an average write speed of 14.3x.  When I manage to stop the
> process (by rebooting the computer), I see the media has not been burnt
> and it is not ruined. It can be reused.
>
> With cdrkit, cdrecord finishes (after using different speeds, as 2x, 1x,
> 4x, 6x e 20x), but when reading the disc an input/output error is
> reported.

wodim is known for not being able to support DVDs.

If you like to get help with cdrecord, I recommend you to first send 
information 
and log files about your problem.

I need the following:

The version number of cdrecord that caused the bug.
The command line that was used for the failing command.
The complete output (including error messages) from 'cdrecord -v ...' (use 
  "script" to fetch the output)
Probably the important part of the 'cdrecord -V' output if we agreed on it
The OS name, release and hardware (processor)
Special conditions of your environment (libc vers. SCSI transport ...)
Sufficient information on the media used. This is at least the ATIP data, a 
 note to CD-R/CD-RW and information on the state and the case history of this 
 media. 

If cdrecord reports a higher speed than possible, I would guess that the Linux
kernel does not set up DMA correctly.

Jörg

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Re: [gentoo-user] kde and qt - something strange

[Skippy]

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:52:20 +0100
Nagatoro  wrote the words:

> On Friday 06 November 2009 13.13.17 Skippy wrote:
> > Hi y'all.  I've got a problem (a computer problem that is) that is
> > driving me nuts.  The folks at forums.gentoo have been helping me
> > out, but not a solution yet.  I thought I'd ask over here.
> > 
> > In a nutshell here is the problem:
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> > checking for KDE... libraries /usr/kde/3.5/lib64,
> > headers /usr/kde/3.5/include checking if UIC has KDE plugins
> > available... no configure: error:
> > you need to install kdelibs first.
> > 
> > If you did install kdelibs, then the Qt version that is picked up by
> > this configure is not the same version you used to compile kdelibs.
> > The Qt Plugin installed by kdelibs is *ONLY* loadable if it is the
> > _same Qt version_, compiled with the _same compiler_ and the same Qt
> > configuration settings.
> 
> Have you tried following this advice? (reemerge kdelibs and qt-*)
> 
> /Naga
> 

Yes, 7 times total to this point.


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Re: [gentoo-user] kde and qt - something strange

[Skippy]

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:55:24 +0100
Alex Schuster  wrote the words:

> Skippy writes:
> 
> > The whole process so far is found at:>
> > http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=6026707#6026707
> > 
> > Can anyone offer any ideas?  Thanks so very much, Skippy
> 
> Some ideas.
> 
> Your output of emerge -upvND world is hart to read. Add a -t to get a
> tree view, then one can better see what's pulling in what.

I'll do that, thanks.

> You mention that qt-4 is masked. This is correct, as qt-4 is the old, 
> monolithic package. You need qt-core, qt-dbus and some more of that
> kind. Qt 3 still exists as single build, so having qt-3.3.8b-r2
> installed is okay, although -r2 is keyword masked for me. Maybe you
> are running ~arch, or x86_64 and this is okay, but I'd check this.

yes, I am running ~amd64

> In only have qt3support and qt4 in make.conf, you have "qt qt3
> qt3-support qt3support qt4". Don't knw if this is bad, but it's more
> than I have.

Originally I had fewer of those use flags enabled.  I added more as
time when by at the suggestion of people on the forum.  It hasn't
helped obviously, but didn't seem to cause any negative change either.
It might be worth my time to try removing some of those, just to see
what happens.

> So, you DID succeed in rebuilding kdelibs-3.5, right? or did you also
> get errors there?

Yes, kdelibs-3.5 will rebuild, as will the kdelibs-4.x.  I have run
emerge -e on both of them, as well as on world.  No problem building
anything kde or qt until it gets to that sequence of packages that give
the error.

> You might try to upgrade your portage (put sys-apps/portage in 
> /etc/portage/package.unmask and package.keywords), maybe it is better
> in resolving this stuff.

Right on, worth a try as well. I'll do that.

> And you can look in your config.log somewhere
> in /var/tmp/portage/kde- base/libkonq-3.5.10/work/libkonq-3.5.10/,
> maybe you spot what exactly causes the Qt error.

I'll try that too.  Thanks for all the homework!  This should keep me
occupied for a while.  Skippy


>   Wonko
> 


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[gentoo-user] cdrecord fails to burn dvd

[José Romildo Malaquias]

Hello.

Burning dvds with Cdrecord-ProDVD-ProBD-Clone 2.01.01a67 on my Dell
Vostro 1510 notebook is always failing.

The device is identified as TEAC DVD+-RW DVW28SLC and can write at 8x
speed.

The process starts and reports writing at 14.5x, but the media is not
burnt.  cdrecord reaches but does not finish the fixation stage.  It
reports an average write speed of 14.3x.  When I manage to stop the
process (by rebooting the computer), I see the media has not been burnt
and it is not ruined. It can be reused.

With cdrkit, cdrecord finishes (after using different speeds, as 2x, 1x,
4x, 6x e 20x), but when reading the disc an input/output error is
reported.

With Nero Linux I can burn dvd discs without problems, though.

When I bought this notebook in january and first installed gentoo,
cdrecord used to work. Then at some point ago (probably after some
update) it has stopped working with the behaviour I have described
above. But by then I did not have the time to investigate, and keep
using only Nero, which continues to work well.  Today I decided to
investigate a little more the problem, but could not reach to any
conclusions.

Any clues?

Romildo

Re: [gentoo-user] "deleted inode referenced" [SOLVED]

[Dale]

Philip Webb wrote:
> Anyway, I've reformatted my partitions to Reiserfs without re-installing
> (clever, aren't I ? -- big grin).  Besides  /  +  /home ,
> I have a big hangar-openspace partition I call  /z  ( 60 GB ),
> which is useful for unpacking stuff & has  /z/tmp  for Emerge to use.
> I created a dir  /z/store3 , then did 'cp -a bin /z/store3' etc
> for all the dirs in  / ; next I used SystemRescue to reformat  /dev/hda3 ,
> which is mounted as  / , then 'cp -a' everything back again.
> And it worked !!  Similarly for  /home  & for  /z  itself (using  /store6 ).
> NB WARNING : if anyone else wants to do this, 'cp -a' is your friend,
> but be very careful to proof-read all your commands as you do it
> & use 'du' etc to check that the data really is being copied;
> some of the copies take a few minutes, but they do get there.
>
> So far, I'm very impressed with the ASUS 1005HA & even more with Gentoo,
> which is perfectly fit for this kind of job.  Try a binary distro,
> run into any kind of problem & what can you do ?  Gentoo makes it work !
>
> Now I have to resume getting X to work properly.
>
>   

cp -a is your friend.  If you want to see the copy, just make it -av
instead.  I have used cp -av for a long time to move my Gentoo install
from one drive to another.  It's really simple to do with it. 

Just don't forget to put the boot manager on the new drive if you are
moving a install. 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] "deleted inode referenced"

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sunday 08 November 2009 12:25:19 Philip Webb wrote:
> 091108 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 12:05 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
> >> is Ext2 the best fs for this machine ?  Might Ext3 or Ext4 be better ?
> >> -- I use Reiserfs on my desktop machines.
> >
> > the journal will wear out an SSD in short order,
> > so ext2 is indeed the better file system
> > All conventional filesystems are built to suit rotating disk media.
> > SSDs are very different, esp the cheap nasty controllers in netbooks.
> 
> Sensible advice, no doubt, for those using SSDs in their netbooks,
> but as I said in my OP, my ASUS 1005HA has a  160 GB  hard disk (HDD),
> whence the letter 'H' in its name.

Yes, I saw that in another post you made. I find it harder and harder to keep 
track of what is shipped with what product these days...

:-)

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] "deleted inode referenced" [SOLVED]

[Philip Webb]

091108 William Kenworthy wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 12:05 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
>> In the course of trying to get X to work on my ASUS 1005HA netbook,
>> I had to power the machine off several times.  In the course of this,
>> some damage seems to have occurred to the file system.
>> There are files in  /var  /tmp  which I can't remove:
>> the msg is "EXT2-fs error: ext2_lookup: deleted inode referenced: 16388".
>> I got round the problem by creating new dirs, copying everything else
>> & renaming the dirs, but that leaves me with  /bad1 , which I can't remove
>> as it contains a reference to an inode which no longer exists.
>> BTW is Ext2 the best fs for this machine ?  Might Ext3 or Ext4 be better ?
>> -- I use Reiserfs on my desktop machines.
> Have you tried fsk on it? - "man e2fsck"

Sorry to those who suggested this: I didn't think of it,
as I haven't used Ext2 (except for /boot ) since 2003.

> My personal experience is
> ext2 is only for those occasions you dont value the data at all

That's my impression from yesterday's potential disaster (wry smile).

> ext3 isnt much better
> unless you use "data=journal" to get some basic protection.

It seemed behind Reiserfs back in 2003, when I built ANB2,
& I kept it for ANB3 in 2007; there's never been a problem with it.

> use Reiserfs though this may need a complete reinstall.
> Updates are still occuring to the Reiserfs code in the kernel,
> so Reiserfs is not abandoned by any means.

I haven't updated R-fsprogs since 071222, tho' there's a minor revision.
Of course, that doesn't mean the stuff in the kernel is that old.
It wb a pity if it's not maintained at least till Btree-fs is reliable.

Anyway, I've reformatted my partitions to Reiserfs without re-installing
(clever, aren't I ? -- big grin).  Besides  /  +  /home ,
I have a big hangar-openspace partition I call  /z  ( 60 GB ),
which is useful for unpacking stuff & has  /z/tmp  for Emerge to use.
I created a dir  /z/store3 , then did 'cp -a bin /z/store3' etc
for all the dirs in  / ; next I used SystemRescue to reformat  /dev/hda3 ,
which is mounted as  / , then 'cp -a' everything back again.
And it worked !!  Similarly for  /home  & for  /z  itself (using  /store6 ).
NB WARNING : if anyone else wants to do this, 'cp -a' is your friend,
but be very careful to proof-read all your commands as you do it
& use 'du' etc to check that the data really is being copied;
some of the copies take a few minutes, but they do get there.

So far, I'm very impressed with the ASUS 1005HA & even more with Gentoo,
which is perfectly fit for this kind of job.  Try a binary distro,
run into any kind of problem & what can you do ?  Gentoo makes it work !

Now I have to resume getting X to work properly.

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Re: [gentoo-user] services on ASUS 1005HA

[Philip Webb]

091108 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Saturday 07 November 2009 19:51:10 Philip Webb wrote:
>> Also, there's a reference in a Gentoo Wiki article to hyperthreading,
>> which advises to configure multiple processing into the kernel.
>> Is this correct ?  Is it safe ?
> Be very careful with hyperthreading. It looked like a good idea at the time
> and didn't really work out in practice.
> There's a reason why so many CPUs these days are multi-core.

Yes, it doesn't seem correct to enable SMP on a 1-core CPU.

> The signal-to-noise ratio is gentoo-wiki
> is nowhere near as high as some folks think.

It can't be as bad as the Forum (grin).

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Re: [gentoo-user] "deleted inode referenced"

[pk]

Alan McKinnon wrote:

> That turns on the journal which will wear out an SSD in short order, so ext2 
> is indeed the better file system

http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/03/01/ssds-journaling-and-noatimerelatime/

Best regards

Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] Intel GMA 4500MHD

[Albert Hopkins]

On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 19:54 +0900, daid kahl wrote:
> My experience matches this.  If I try to run composite rendering, X
> eats my CPU time to the point that I can't even use the system for
> practical purposes.
> 
> I have a 945GM Intel video card.
> 
> I had tried compiz-fusion through kde3 last year, but the performance
> was much to jittery and slow, so I removed it.  I tried to upgrade to
> kde4 this week, but again X was eating CPU time and making the whole
> machine run hot and slow.  I can't be 100% sure it was the video card
> and composite rendering, but I believe it was the problem.  So I
> switched to xfce and now I'm happy.
> 
> So, if you want to run 3D graphics and composite rendering, maybe not
> intel?
> 
> 
I also have this GPU.

I have 3 machines with Intel graphics that I run compositing on with
compiz and they run fine.  Like I said so long as you disable the blur
plugin in compiz it's pretty solid.  Actually, recently I installed KDE4
on a VM and ran KDE through XDMCP with all the compositing effects
turned on and it ran smoothly as well.

The "X was eating CPU" seems to indicate that it's not the GPU that's
doing the 3D rendering but the CPU.  Now if you got slow performance yet
your CPU was sitting there doing nothing then I'd suspect the Intel
Graphics.

Re: [gentoo-user] Intel GMA 4500MHD

[daid kahl]

>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm looking at a Dell Vostro 1720 Laptop with this Intel video
>> chip: Intel® Integrated Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD
>>
>> Anyone with any experience or comments as to Intel's video
>> offerings, as far as it related to (X)/Gentoo on the laptop
>> are most welcome.
> The software support for Intel graphics itself is pretty good.  They
> have in-tree DRI drivers and X drivers and support for GEM and XRANDR
> 1.3.  IIRC Keith Packard works both on X11 development and the Intel
> drivers so you get a lot of support software-wise.
>
> As some have reported Intel Graphics cards don't perform as well as
> other competitors in 3D graphics.  It's fine though for people like me
> who aren't gamers and need powerful graphics hardware.  I use
> GNOME/Compiz and things work pretty exceptional (except for the Blur
> plugin in Compiz; there's no hardware rendering support; you'll want to
> disable that).
>

My experience matches this.  If I try to run composite rendering, X
eats my CPU time to the point that I can't even use the system for
practical purposes.

I have a 945GM Intel video card.

I had tried compiz-fusion through kde3 last year, but the performance
was much to jittery and slow, so I removed it.  I tried to upgrade to
kde4 this week, but again X was eating CPU time and making the whole
machine run hot and slow.  I can't be 100% sure it was the video card
and composite rendering, but I believe it was the problem.  So I
switched to xfce and now I'm happy.

So, if you want to run 3D graphics and composite rendering, maybe not intel?

~daid

Re: [gentoo-user] "deleted inode referenced"

[daid kahl]

> There are files in  /var  /tmp  which I can't remove:
> the msg is "EXT2-fs error: ext2_lookup: deleted inode referenced: 16388".
>
> Can anyone help ?
>

Did you try removing it from a live Linux distro (ie: on a USB stick)?

Or if it lets you move it, maybe you can move it to the temporary file
system created in the RAM by a live install, and then when you reboot
into your normal system the RAM is cleared.

~daid

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.

[Dale]

daid kahl wrote:
 I tried closely comparing the current working kernel with newly built
 one. I mean side by side with `make menuconfig' running in both sources.
 I cannot tell what it is I'm overlooking.
 
>>> Please do not do this.  Instead emerge kccmp to compare kernel
>>> configurations!  It is much easier...trust me, I tried brute-force as
>>> well!
>>>   
>> Thanks for the tip... that tool does look useful.  At least for
>> kernel comparison I think it might beat the poop out of the ediff mode
>> in emacs.   Although the emacs tools are better in general.
>>
>> I managed to get the kernel figured out... (with plenty of help here)
>> but I think I'll tinker with kccmp, see how it works, and be ready for
>> next time.
>> 
>
> It's really easy.  You just run it with two configuration files as
> inputs, and it gives a nice X display with different settings, and
> then settings that are only in one config or the other (resulting from
> different kernel versions or sub-config options).
>
>   
>> Answering a dozen or so questions on the cmdline beats the poop out of
>> flopping around in menuconfig, or even worse, 2 instances of
>> menuconfig.
>>
>> What is really maddening is that I once knew how to do the stuff with
>> .config and `make oldconfig'.   Here lately I seem to forget things I
>> once knew if I don't use the knowledge for a mnth or two.
>>
>> 
> I always do it from the command line with a web-browser searching
> http://cateee.net/ for any config I don't know what it is.
>
> ~daid
>
>
>   

Sounds like he may as well use that genkernel thingy that Gentoo has. 
It never has worked for me but he may have better luck.  It may even
work on the first try.  LOL

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.

[daid kahl]

>>> I tried closely comparing the current working kernel with newly built
>>> one. I mean side by side with `make menuconfig' running in both sources.
>>> I cannot tell what it is I'm overlooking.
>>
>> Please do not do this.  Instead emerge kccmp to compare kernel
>> configurations!  It is much easier...trust me, I tried brute-force as
>> well!
>
> Thanks for the tip... that tool does look useful.  At least for
> kernel comparison I think it might beat the poop out of the ediff mode
> in emacs.   Although the emacs tools are better in general.
>
> I managed to get the kernel figured out... (with plenty of help here)
> but I think I'll tinker with kccmp, see how it works, and be ready for
> next time.

It's really easy.  You just run it with two configuration files as
inputs, and it gives a nice X display with different settings, and
then settings that are only in one config or the other (resulting from
different kernel versions or sub-config options).

> Answering a dozen or so questions on the cmdline beats the poop out of
> flopping around in menuconfig, or even worse, 2 instances of
> menuconfig.
>
> What is really maddening is that I once knew how to do the stuff with
> .config and `make oldconfig'.   Here lately I seem to forget things I
> once knew if I don't use the knowledge for a mnth or two.
>
I always do it from the command line with a web-browser searching
http://cateee.net/ for any config I don't know what it is.

~daid

Re: [gentoo-user] "deleted inode referenced"

[Philip Webb]

091108 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 12:05 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
>> is Ext2 the best fs for this machine ?  Might Ext3 or Ext4 be better ?
>> -- I use Reiserfs on my desktop machines.
> the journal will wear out an SSD in short order,
> so ext2 is indeed the better file system
> All conventional filesystems are built to suit rotating disk media.
> SSDs are very different, esp the cheap nasty controllers in netbooks.

Sensible advice, no doubt, for those using SSDs in their netbooks,
but as I said in my OP, my ASUS 1005HA has a  160 GB  hard disk (HDD),
whence the letter 'H' in its name.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Dale]

Florian Philipp wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann schrieb:
>   
>> On Sonntag 08 November 2009, Stroller wrote:
>> 
>>> On 7 Nov 2009, at 11:32, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>>   
> ...
> I'd love to know what the name of the kernel module is so I can
> unload
> it:
>
> $ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i pegasus
> CONFIG_USB_PEGASUS=y
>   
 it is not a module, but compiled in. You have to rebuild your
 kernel. And
 probably decrapify your config a lot.
 
>>> Doh! I was fairly tired when I wrote that, sorry.
>>>
>>> I tend to just occasionally copy the kernel .config from that used on
>>> the latest Knoppix disk, and `make oldconfig` between times. I figure
>>> I don't know enough about the kernel that I'm likely to be able to
>>> select a better set of options than that, and learning what to change
>>> will surely not produce improvements worth the time expended.
>>>
>>> I would love a recommended "default" kernel .config - either for
>>> Gentoo or Linux in general, but based towards on "small server" use -
>>> but I'm not aware of anyone publishing one. I like the notion of a
>>> small, minimal and "sleek" kernel, but with lots of modules available
>>> to load as necessary, should I install a new PCI card. If anyone has
>>> any low-overhead suggestions, I would love to hear them.
>>>
>>> Stroller.
>>>
>>>   
>> using a livecds kernel is probably the worst decision out there.
>>
>> http://www.kroah.com/lkn/
>>
>> as you can see, you don't have to download it.
>>
>> 
> [...]
>
> You could also simply emerge it: app-doc/linux-kernel-in-a-nutshell ;)
>
>   

If he goes to that link provided earlier, he can scroll down and
download the pdf files.  I found this to be the best page since it talks
about building a kernel in pretty good detail. 

Chapter 4: Configuring and Building

It even has pictures to help give a clearer picture and even shows
different ways of doing the same thing.  It even shows how to do this in
a GUI.

Do we really not have to do make modules_install any more?

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] help with tinydns setup

[Florian Philipp]

James schrieb:
> All,
> 
> I'm trying to set up a DNS server here for a lab environment.
> 
> - hijacking a TLD (linux.com let's say, as an example)
> - trying to point several Linux boxen in a sandbox with no internet 
> connectivity
> 
> So, here's a copy of my tinydns data file:
> 
> .linux.com:172.18.109.125:a:259200
> =server1.linux.com:14.17.108.241:86400
> =server2.linux.com:14.17.108.242:86400
> 
[...]
>
> Inside of /etc/dnscache/root/servers/linux.com I have "127.0.0.1" so
> that the server knows to query the tinydns daemon running.
> Unfortunately, however, a "dig @ server1.linux.com" doesn't
> seem to work.
> 
>

What do you mean with "doesn't seem to work"? Timeout? Wrong answer?



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?

[Florian Philipp]

Volker Armin Hemmann schrieb:
> On Sonntag 08 November 2009, Stroller wrote:
>> On 7 Nov 2009, at 11:32, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
 ...
 I'd love to know what the name of the kernel module is so I can
 unload
 it:

 $ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i pegasus
 CONFIG_USB_PEGASUS=y
>>> it is not a module, but compiled in. You have to rebuild your
>>> kernel. And
>>> probably decrapify your config a lot.
>> Doh! I was fairly tired when I wrote that, sorry.
>>
>> I tend to just occasionally copy the kernel .config from that used on
>> the latest Knoppix disk, and `make oldconfig` between times. I figure
>> I don't know enough about the kernel that I'm likely to be able to
>> select a better set of options than that, and learning what to change
>> will surely not produce improvements worth the time expended.
>>
>> I would love a recommended "default" kernel .config - either for
>> Gentoo or Linux in general, but based towards on "small server" use -
>> but I'm not aware of anyone publishing one. I like the notion of a
>> small, minimal and "sleek" kernel, but with lots of modules available
>> to load as necessary, should I install a new PCI card. If anyone has
>> any low-overhead suggestions, I would love to hear them.
>>
>> Stroller.
>>
> 
> using a livecds kernel is probably the worst decision out there.
> 
> http://www.kroah.com/lkn/
> 
> as you can see, you don't have to download it.
> 
[...]

You could also simply emerge it: app-doc/linux-kernel-in-a-nutshell ;)



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[gentoo-user] Anybody using Seamonkey 2 ?

[Dale]

Hi,

I noticed that the Seamonkey Project has released Seamonkey 2.0.  I
assume this is the same one that is currently masked and keyworded in
the tree.  Is anyone using it already?  Any problems?  Lose any old
emails or settings that you can notice?  Problems with bugs or things
not working?

[OT sort of]  My brother needs to upgrade soon and he is currently using
windoze XP and Seamonkey 1.  I tried to do a install the other day but
it sort of ran into a issue of locking up part way through the install. 
He didn't lose anything but I did have to go back to the old version to
get it working again.  Anyone here run into a similar problem?  I can't
recall exactly where it locked up but it was only about 20% or so of the
way through according to the little bar thingy.  I plan to install Linux
on his rig once all this KDE stuff gets sorted out. [/OT]

Thinking about the upgrade, just looking to see if I should or not since
it has some sort of conversion process going on.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Acer Aspireone AO751h install hints

[Mick]

Thank you Walter!  I'm about to buy a new laptop and these instructions will 
save me a lot of time and effort.  :-)

On Sunday 08 November 2009 08:11:15 Walter Dnes wrote:
>   It started off ugly, but I found the solutions, so here they are, to
> hopefully save other people some time.
> 
>   The Gentoo minimal install image cannot see the harddrive at all.
> "fdisk -l" only showed /dev/sda, i.e. the USB stick on which unetbootin
> had installed the minimal install.  I've filed bug a report on this...
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292346
> 
>   Knoppix, on the other hand, could see the hard drive, but wasn't able
> to drive the RTL8101 network card.  I ended up installing under a
> Knoppix "live CD" on a USB stick.  Notes regarding the installation
> under Knoppix...
> 
>  1) Get *TWO* USB sticks, one of which has at least 1 gigabyte capacity,
> and make sure to back up any important data on them.  It will all be
> overwritten.
> 
>  2) On a machine with a CD or DVD download and burn the microKnoppix ISO.
> 
>  3) Boot the existing computer from the Knoppix CD/DVD.
> 
>  4) Plug in a USB stick with at least 1 gig capacity.
> 
>  5) From a console, execute "flash-knoppix" (without the quotes).  That's
> it.  Surprisingly easy.  For people who insist on menus, the path is
> [LXDE --> System Tools --> Install KNOPPIX to flash disk]
> 
>  6) Unmount and take out the USB stick, and reboot the linux machine.
> You will need it a lot.
> 
>  7) Do the following in the exact order.  I went around in circles over
> this one...
> - insert the bootable USB stick into the ACER netbook.
> - reboot the ACER while holding down the {F2} key.  This will bring
>   you into the BIOS setup.
> - go into the boot menu and select the item which mentions your USB
>   stick.  In my case it was "USB HD" (YES!!!) not "USB KEY".
> - save changes and boot.  This should bring up Knoppix
> 
>  8) Make sure that the other linux machine is up to date, and do *NOT*
> clean out the /usr/portage/distfiles directory.
> 
>  9) Follow the regular Gentoo install instructions with these changes
> - open 2 terminals after Knoppix boots, and "su -" in both.  Later
>   on you'll be able to switch back and forth between chrooted and
>   Knoppix environments
> - as per http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml
>   - after bootup execute "mkdir /mnt/gentoo" from one of the 2 terms
>   - when setting up for chroot, mount proc system with the command
> mount -o bind /proc /mnt/gentoo/proc
> rather than the command given in the install documentation
> - if Knoppix can't use the network card (as in my case) you'll have
>   to be prepared to download stage3 and portage snapshot files, etc
>   to the other linux machine, and shuttle them over via USB stick.
>   This gets painfull when the instructions tell you to emerge stuff
>   and you don't have a network card.  If you followed instructions
>   in step #8, you can shuttle the necessary tarballs over from the
>   other machine's distfiles directory to the Acer's distfiles
>   directory.
> 
> 10) If you're going to be running "make menuconfig" manually *EXIT AND
> SAVE YOUR WORK EVERY FEW MINUTES*!!! I cannot emphasize this enough.
> There is some magic combination of keypress and dragging my fingers
> on the touchpad, which kills the terminal you're working in.  Of
> course you end up losing the entries you've made.  Save early and
> save often.  Here are the "make menuconfig" paths for installing
> working hard drive and network card drivers...
> 
> Device Drivers
>   Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers
> ATA SFF support
>   Intel SCH PATA support
> 
> 
> Device Drivers
>   Network Device support
> Ethernet (1000 mbit support)
>   Realtek 8169 gigabit ethernet support
> 
>   It's now booting properly and seeing the internet.  The install is
> done on GMT time, and then I set to local time.  Since I'm in EST
> timezone (5 hours behind GMT), it complains on bootup about certain
> config files having dates in the future.  That will disappear in a few
> hours.  It's close to finishing an update.  Next is "emerge system" to
> be followed by "emerge world".
> 

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Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] What's the latest install-from-USB-key procedure?

[Walter Dnes]

On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 01:32:19PM +, Peter Humphrey wrote

> Not sure whether this has been mentioned already in this thread, but
> at one stage of kernel development* when I was installing on a new
> laptop, I had to switch AHCI off in the BIOS for the installation
> kernel to be able to see the hard disk, then back on again once I
> was running my own kernel.
> 
> Perhaps something like this is happening to you.
> 
> * At least, the kernel as configured for the Gentoo minimal
> installation CD.

  It turned out to be something quite different, namely a missing
driver; see my "Acer Aspireone AO751h install hints" thread.  It's
finally up and running.  I'll rebuild (emerge system and emerge world)
before I get any optional apps on it.  That should speed things up a
bit.

-- 
Walter Dnes 

[gentoo-user] Acer Aspireone AO751h install hints

[Walter Dnes]

  It started off ugly, but I found the solutions, so here they are, to
hopefully save other people some time.

  The Gentoo minimal install image cannot see the harddrive at all.
"fdisk -l" only showed /dev/sda, i.e. the USB stick on which unetbootin
had installed the minimal install.  I've filed bug a report on this...
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292346

  Knoppix, on the other hand, could see the hard drive, but wasn't able
to drive the RTL8101 network card.  I ended up installing under a
Knoppix "live CD" on a USB stick.  Notes regarding the installation
under Knoppix...

 1) Get *TWO* USB sticks, one of which has at least 1 gigabyte capacity,
and make sure to back up any important data on them.  It will all be
overwritten.

 2) On a machine with a CD or DVD download and burn the microKnoppix ISO.

 3) Boot the existing computer from the Knoppix CD/DVD.

 4) Plug in a USB stick with at least 1 gig capacity.

 5) From a console, execute "flash-knoppix" (without the quotes).  That's
it.  Surprisingly easy.  For people who insist on menus, the path is
[LXDE --> System Tools --> Install KNOPPIX to flash disk]

 6) Unmount and take out the USB stick, and reboot the linux machine.
You will need it a lot.

 7) Do the following in the exact order.  I went around in circles over
this one...
- insert the bootable USB stick into the ACER netbook.
- reboot the ACER while holding down the {F2} key.  This will bring
  you into the BIOS setup.
- go into the boot menu and select the item which mentions your USB
  stick.  In my case it was "USB HD" (YES!!!) not "USB KEY".
- save changes and boot.  This should bring up Knoppix

 8) Make sure that the other linux machine is up to date, and do *NOT*
clean out the /usr/portage/distfiles directory.

 9) Follow the regular Gentoo install instructions with these changes
- open 2 terminals after Knoppix boots, and "su -" in both.  Later
  on you'll be able to switch back and forth between chrooted and
  Knoppix environments
- as per http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml
  - after bootup execute "mkdir /mnt/gentoo" from one of the 2 terms
  - when setting up for chroot, mount proc system with the command
mount -o bind /proc /mnt/gentoo/proc
rather than the command given in the install documentation
- if Knoppix can't use the network card (as in my case) you'll have
  to be prepared to download stage3 and portage snapshot files, etc
  to the other linux machine, and shuttle them over via USB stick.
  This gets painfull when the instructions tell you to emerge stuff
  and you don't have a network card.  If you followed instructions
  in step #8, you can shuttle the necessary tarballs over from the
  other machine's distfiles directory to the Acer's distfiles
  directory.

10) If you're going to be running "make menuconfig" manually *EXIT AND
SAVE YOUR WORK EVERY FEW MINUTES*!!! I cannot emphasize this enough.
There is some magic combination of keypress and dragging my fingers
on the touchpad, which kills the terminal you're working in.  Of
course you end up losing the entries you've made.  Save early and
save often.  Here are the "make menuconfig" paths for installing
working hard drive and network card drivers...

Device Drivers
  Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers
ATA SFF support 
  Intel SCH PATA support


Device Drivers
  Network Device support
Ethernet (1000 mbit support)
  Realtek 8169 gigabit ethernet support

  It's now booting properly and seeing the internet.  The install is
done on GMT time, and then I set to local time.  Since I'm in EST
timezone (5 hours behind GMT), it complains on bootup about certain
config files having dates in the future.  That will disappear in a few
hours.  It's close to finishing an update.  Next is "emerge system" to
be followed by "emerge world".

-- 
Walter Dnes