Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : (1) which CPU ?

[waltdnes]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 08:49:32PM -0500, Alecks Gates wrote

> I'd pick AMD, and very likely one of their APUs if you don't need
> intense graphics, as they seem to be able to handle most things well
> and even some light gaming.

  How do AMD's and Intel's open source video drivers compare?

-- 
Walter Dnes 

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : (1) which CPU ?

[Michael Mol]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Alecks Gates  wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Philip Webb  wrote:
>> 120720 Dale wrote to me as OP:
>>> If you need help with this, i'd be glad to help you pick parts
>>> for your build.  The biggest thing is to make sure things work together.
>>
>> Thanks for the offer & the other advice from everyone so far.
>> I built machines successfully in 2000 2003 2007
>> & am still using the last  2 , tho' the 2007 mobo failed (ASUS)
>> & its replacement is showing minor bugs (glad I got in-store warranty).
>> Therefore, I'm not looking for basic advice how to put a box together.
>>
>> I'm also willing to pay for a fast upto-date CPU,
>> but not of course whatever came out just last week,
>> which will soon drop in price & will still need some bugs sorting out.
>> I don't have to choose between a good CPU & a good SSD
>> & expect to get a competitive price from Canada Computers, as before.
>>
>> Any further thoughts re Intel vs AMD wb very welcome.
>>
>> --
>> ,,
>> SUPPORT ___//___,   Philip Webb
>> ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
>> TRANSIT`-O--O---'   purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
>>
>>
>
> You'd definitely get more bang for your buck out of AMD, especially
> with Gentoo.  It might even be worth waiting for AMD's piledriver-core
> CPUs depending on how much of an improvement they actually give,
> though I'm not sure when those are supposed to be out.  And paying for
> a top-of-the-line AMD CPU is still much cheaper than Intel.
>
> This is a very broad generalization of course, but a lot of it comes
> down to multi-threaded (lean towards AMD) vs single-threaded (lean
> towards Intel).  Honestly I don't think you'd notice the difference
> anyway on a general desktop.  I'd pick AMD, and very likely one of
> their APUs if you don't need intense graphics, as they seem to be able
> to handle most things well and even some light gaming.

I love AMD for the historical ladder upgrades; all of my AMD systems
are comprised of components (RAM, CPU, and other pieces) which mostly
came from previous systems or newer systems' replaced components.

That's nice, and wonderfully cheap.

That said, right now Intel gives the best performance per watt...and
perhaps the best performance per dollar. I'm a few months out of date
on my research, though.

Wander around on cpubenchmark.net (Thanks, Florian, I'd lost my
bookmark to that site) and find the processor that fits your price and
performance level. Both Intel and AMD make excellent processors, so
you'll have to do your own research for a good decision.


-- 
:wq

Re: [gentoo-user] eix output and libpng

[meino . cramer]

Philip Webb  [12-07-20 05:36]:
> 120720 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
> > If I do a 'eix libpng ' I get:
> >   [I] media-libs/libpng
> >   Available versions:  
> >   (1.2) 1.2.49 ~1.2.50
> >   (0)   1.5.10 ~1.5.11 ~1.5.12
> >   {apng neon static-libs}
> >   Installed versions:  1.2.49(1.2)(04:53:36 07/20/12) 1.5.10(01:18:39 
> > 04/09/12)(apng -neon -static-libs)
> > 
> > What is the meaning of '(1.2)' and '(0)' in
> >   (1.2) 1.2.49 ~1.2.50
> >   (0)   1.5.10 ~1.5.11 ~1.5.12
> 
> They're slots, so you can install eg 1.2.49 & 1.5.10 simultaneously.
> To install the former do 'emerge libpng:1.2',
> for the latter 'emerge libpng:0'.
> 
> -- 
> ,,
> SUPPORT ___//___,   Philip Webb
> ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
> TRANSIT`-O--O---'   purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
> 
> 

Hi Philip,

One enlighment a day keep the confusion away ! :))

Thanks a lot, that helps! :)

Have a nice weekend!
Best regards,
mcc

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : (1) which CPU ?

[Dale]

Alecks Gates wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Philip Webb  wrote:
>> 120720 Dale wrote to me as OP:
>>> If you need help with this, i'd be glad to help you pick parts
>>> for your build.  The biggest thing is to make sure things work together.
>> Thanks for the offer & the other advice from everyone so far.
>> I built machines successfully in 2000 2003 2007
>> & am still using the last  2 , tho' the 2007 mobo failed (ASUS)
>> & its replacement is showing minor bugs (glad I got in-store warranty).
>> Therefore, I'm not looking for basic advice how to put a box together.
>>
>> I'm also willing to pay for a fast upto-date CPU,
>> but not of course whatever came out just last week,
>> which will soon drop in price & will still need some bugs sorting out.
>> I don't have to choose between a good CPU & a good SSD
>> & expect to get a competitive price from Canada Computers, as before.
>>
>> Any further thoughts re Intel vs AMD wb very welcome.
>>
>> --
>> ,,
>> SUPPORT ___//___,   Philip Webb
>> ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
>> TRANSIT`-O--O---'   purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
>>
>>
> You'd definitely get more bang for your buck out of AMD, especially
> with Gentoo.  It might even be worth waiting for AMD's piledriver-core
> CPUs depending on how much of an improvement they actually give,
> though I'm not sure when those are supposed to be out.  And paying for
> a top-of-the-line AMD CPU is still much cheaper than Intel.
>
> This is a very broad generalization of course, but a lot of it comes
> down to multi-threaded (lean towards AMD) vs single-threaded (lean
> towards Intel).  Honestly I don't think you'd notice the difference
> anyway on a general desktop.  I'd pick AMD, and very likely one of
> their APUs if you don't need intense graphics, as they seem to be able
> to handle most things well and even some light gaming.
>
>

I did some checking when I built my rig.  If I recall correctly, just a
comparable Intel CPU would have cost as much as my AMD CPU *and* the
mobo.  After you put down some bucks for the CPU, you still have to buy
a mobo which seem pricey to me as well.  Between those two parts, you
can spend a lot of money for Intel based stuff. 

Seriously, for desktop use and budget, go with AMD.  Spend the money you
save on your SSD or a really nice video card.  After all, the video card
is what you really see anyway. 

I'm not saying Intel is bad but AMD is a great CPU and much cheaper. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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you interpreted my words!

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : (1) which CPU ?

[Alecks Gates]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Philip Webb  wrote:
> 120720 Dale wrote to me as OP:
>> If you need help with this, i'd be glad to help you pick parts
>> for your build.  The biggest thing is to make sure things work together.
>
> Thanks for the offer & the other advice from everyone so far.
> I built machines successfully in 2000 2003 2007
> & am still using the last  2 , tho' the 2007 mobo failed (ASUS)
> & its replacement is showing minor bugs (glad I got in-store warranty).
> Therefore, I'm not looking for basic advice how to put a box together.
>
> I'm also willing to pay for a fast upto-date CPU,
> but not of course whatever came out just last week,
> which will soon drop in price & will still need some bugs sorting out.
> I don't have to choose between a good CPU & a good SSD
> & expect to get a competitive price from Canada Computers, as before.
>
> Any further thoughts re Intel vs AMD wb very welcome.
>
> --
> ,,
> SUPPORT ___//___,   Philip Webb
> ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
> TRANSIT`-O--O---'   purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
>
>

You'd definitely get more bang for your buck out of AMD, especially
with Gentoo.  It might even be worth waiting for AMD's piledriver-core
CPUs depending on how much of an improvement they actually give,
though I'm not sure when those are supposed to be out.  And paying for
a top-of-the-line AMD CPU is still much cheaper than Intel.

This is a very broad generalization of course, but a lot of it comes
down to multi-threaded (lean towards AMD) vs single-threaded (lean
towards Intel).  Honestly I don't think you'd notice the difference
anyway on a general desktop.  I'd pick AMD, and very likely one of
their APUs if you don't need intense graphics, as they seem to be able
to handle most things well and even some light gaming.

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : (1) which CPU ?

[Philip Webb]

120720 Dale wrote to me as OP:
> If you need help with this, i'd be glad to help you pick parts
> for your build.  The biggest thing is to make sure things work together.

Thanks for the offer & the other advice from everyone so far.
I built machines successfully in 2000 2003 2007
& am still using the last  2 , tho' the 2007 mobo failed (ASUS)
& its replacement is showing minor bugs (glad I got in-store warranty).
Therefore, I'm not looking for basic advice how to put a box together.

I'm also willing to pay for a fast upto-date CPU,
but not of course whatever came out just last week,
which will soon drop in price & will still need some bugs sorting out.
I don't have to choose between a good CPU & a good SSD
& expect to get a competitive price from Canada Computers, as before.

Any further thoughts re Intel vs AMD wb very welcome.

-- 
,,
SUPPORT ___//___,   Philip Webb
ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
TRANSIT`-O--O---'   purslowatchassdotutorontodotca

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : (1) which CPU ?

[Mick]

On Friday 20 Jul 2012 13:13:41 Michael Mol wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 7:40 AM,   wrote:
> >   Hello!
> > 
> > On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 03:24:42 -0400
> > 
> > Philip Webb  wrote:
> >> I plan to build a new machine in the next few months:
> >> it wb for regular desktop use, but performance is as important as
> >> price.
> >> 
> >> A quick look at what was available in April suggested
> >> an Intel Ivy Bridge i7 ( 22 nm ) ; Phoronix said it works with Kernel
> >> 3.2
> >> + an Intel Z77 mobo (I usually buy ASUS) & that power/watt was
> >> excellent.
> >> 
> >   If you are considering to buy an Intel CPU, I'd recommend you to pay
> > 
> > some attention to such Intel' technologies as this one:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge#Intel_Insider_and_remote-contr
> > ol because it doesn't looks like an advantage to the end user, but rather
> > as a security (or privacy) hole in one's system.
> 
> We went through this on this list a couple months ago.
> 
> That tech has been part of business-grade laptops and workstations for
> a while. It's intended as a tool for a corporate IT department, not
> the direct user of the machine.
> 
> I'm not saying it's something I'd necessarily like to have on my
> personal devices, just that it's not exactly new.

I didn't know my laptop came with this  'Intel rootkit' feature until I 
posted here a few weeks ago.  I haven't done any research on this, but found 
these spooky pages:

http://communities.intel.com/community/vproexpert/blog/2012/01/19/configuring-
intel-vpro-with-linux-in-user-control-mode

http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/download-the-latest-intel-amt-open-
source-drivers/

I'm not sure how vulnerable my machine may be as supplied by Dell - I assume 
that unless the system is enabled first no out-of-band attempts will work.
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 20.07.2012 20:50, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
> 
> I really don't know, since I don't use LVM. However,
> "After=remount-rootfs.service", and "Before=gdm.service" sound like
> good candidates.

I have success with:

Requires=systemd-udev-settle.service
After=systemd-udev-settle.service

That service-file has been renamed from "udev-settle.service" to
"systemd-udev-settle.service" ... as it seems.

Booted and logged in successfully now.

Now for the network-config ;-)

Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger  wrote:
> Am 20.07.2012 20:20, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger  wrote:
>>> Am 20.07.2012 19:34, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
 systemctl --all --full --no-pager
>>>
>>> See attachment.
>>>
>>> That LVM-thing seems to be the solution.
>>>
>>> Added my lvm.service from back then when I first played with systemd.
>>> That file was like the one listed here:
>>>
>>> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Systemd#Services
>>>
>>> But there is no udev-settle.service anymore.
>>
>> No, it was removed.
>
> So what would "Requires" and "After" have to be like then?
>
> Without these lines it doesn't work correctly ... just tested.

I really don't know, since I don't use LVM. However,
"After=remount-rootfs.service", and "Before=gdm.service" sound like
good candidates.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 20.07.2012 20:20, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger  wrote:
>> Am 20.07.2012 19:34, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
>>> systemctl --all --full --no-pager
>>
>> See attachment.
>>
>> That LVM-thing seems to be the solution.
>>
>> Added my lvm.service from back then when I first played with systemd.
>> That file was like the one listed here:
>>
>> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Systemd#Services
>>
>> But there is no udev-settle.service anymore.
> 
> No, it was removed.

So what would "Requires" and "After" have to be like then?

Without these lines it doesn't work correctly ... just tested.

>> So the trick might be to correctly edit this lvm.service file (get the
>> dependencies right).
> 
> Yeah; put it in /etc/systemd/system; I do that with rc-local.service,
> for example (since it is not available in gentoo).

I have it there but it isn't correct yet, see above.

>> In general I prefer to have openrc still at hand:
> 
> Then pleaso do not use my overlay. It's only purpose is to get rid of
> OpenRC in a Gentoo system.

Yep.

>> Thanks! Stefan
> 
> Glad to know it is working.

same here, thanks ;-)

S

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger  wrote:
> Am 20.07.2012 20:05, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
>
>>> I *assume* it has to do with LVM:
>>
>> Whoa. What partition you do have on LVM? If it's home, it is available
>> after GMD has showed up? (can you change to a virtual terminal with
>> Ctrl-Alt-F3, for example, and as root see the contents of /home with
>> ls?)
>>
>> LVM is not a damon, one of the reasons why /etc/init.d/lvm is a bad
>> idea. /etc/init.d/lvm sets the devices using LVM; systemd does not
>> need that, it does it by itself using udev (or so I heard, I don't use
>> LVM).
>
> see my previous mail (hasn't showed up here yet).
>
> It's not /home but the LV with my dropbox-data.

It was slowing down Nautilus. That explains it.

> Right now I look for the correct dependencies for lvm.service

I think you can remove udev-settle and that's it.

> I don't see the ebuild containing the unitfiles in portage anymore .. ?

No, service files belong in their respective packages. I only have a
couple of them in /etc/systemd/system.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 20.07.2012 20:05, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:

>> I *assume* it has to do with LVM:
> 
> Whoa. What partition you do have on LVM? If it's home, it is available
> after GMD has showed up? (can you change to a virtual terminal with
> Ctrl-Alt-F3, for example, and as root see the contents of /home with
> ls?)
> 
> LVM is not a damon, one of the reasons why /etc/init.d/lvm is a bad
> idea. /etc/init.d/lvm sets the devices using LVM; systemd does not
> need that, it does it by itself using udev (or so I heard, I don't use
> LVM).

see my previous mail (hasn't showed up here yet).

It's not /home but the LV with my dropbox-data.

Right now I look for the correct dependencies for lvm.service

I don't see the ebuild containing the unitfiles in portage anymore .. ?

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger  wrote:
> Am 20.07.2012 19:34, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
>> systemctl --all --full --no-pager
>
> See attachment.
>
> That LVM-thing seems to be the solution.
>
> Added my lvm.service from back then when I first played with systemd.
> That file was like the one listed here:
>
> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Systemd#Services
>
> But there is no udev-settle.service anymore.

No, it was removed.

> For testing I simply removed the 2 lines "Requires" "After" and started
> lvm.service manually.
>
> This started the LVs correctly now and I am able to log into Gnome now
> (writing from that very session).
>
> So the trick might be to correctly edit this lvm.service file (get the
> dependencies right).

Yeah; put it in /etc/systemd/system; I do that with rc-local.service,
for example (since it is not available in gentoo).

> In general I prefer to have openrc still at hand:

Then pleaso do not use my overlay. It's only purpose is to get rid of
OpenRC in a Gentoo system.

> Thanks! Stefan

Glad to know it is working.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger  wrote:
> Am 20.07.2012 19:34, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
>
>> First get GNOME 3 + systemd to work; my overlay is experimental.
>
> ok, rolling back then ...
>
>> The only possible problem I see is
>>
>> (nautilus:5655): libnotify-WARNING **: Failed to connect to proxy
>> ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on
>> :1.14:/org/freedesktop/Notifications: dbus.exceptions.DBusException:
>>
>> What version of libnotify are you using? I have 0.7.5 installed.
>
> Same here.
>
>>> Do I need rtkit or not?
>>
>> I don't have it installed; never had.
>
> ... removed it as well.
>
>> Could you please attach the output of:
>>
>> systemctl --all --full --no-pager
>
> Will do asap, have to reboot into systemd again.
>
> I *assume* it has to do with LVM:

Whoa. What partition you do have on LVM? If it's home, it is available
after GMD has showed up? (can you change to a virtual terminal with
Ctrl-Alt-F3, for example, and as root see the contents of /home with
ls?)

LVM is not a damon, one of the reasons why /etc/init.d/lvm is a bad
idea. /etc/init.d/lvm sets the devices using LVM; systemd does not
need that, it does it by itself using udev (or so I heard, I don't use
LVM).

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 20.07.2012 19:34, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:

> First get GNOME 3 + systemd to work; my overlay is experimental.

ok, rolling back then ...

> The only possible problem I see is
> 
> (nautilus:5655): libnotify-WARNING **: Failed to connect to proxy 
> ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on 
> :1.14:/org/freedesktop/Notifications: dbus.exceptions.DBusException:
> 
> What version of libnotify are you using? I have 0.7.5 installed.

Same here.

>> Do I need rtkit or not?
> 
> I don't have it installed; never had.

... removed it as well.

> Could you please attach the output of:
> 
> systemctl --all --full --no-pager

Will do asap, have to reboot into systemd again.

I *assume* it has to do with LVM:

the dropbox-data of my user is stored in an LV ... and the VG/LV is not
correctly available when I boot with systemd.

Didn't find any "lvm.service" in the installed files, gotta build one
myself, I assume.

This might make the session wait for that directory becoming available.

I could check with a fresh user without a dropbox.


S

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : (1) which CPU ?

[Dale]

OP,

If you need help with this, i'd be glad to help you pick parts for your
build.  The biggest thing is to make sure things work together.  If the
mobo only has SATA drive connectors, a IDE hard drive will not work. 
You have to make sure the memory will work with the mobo you have picked
too. Mobo, CPU and memory certainly are critical to work together. 

If you want help, let me know.  I'm sure others will chime in too. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

-- 
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you interpreted my words!

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger  wrote:
> Am 20.07.2012 18:08, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
>
>> Not really "mix and match". I run systemd/udev/GNOME3  in ~amd64,
>> that's all, and I don't unmask any hard masked package. It's been
>> working fine like that since, oh I don't know, when they removed the
>> mask on GNOME 3?
>
> Thanks for motivating me!
>
> I will try to use your overlay ...

First get GNOME 3 + systemd to work; my overlay is experimental.

>> Again, Stefan has probably a valid problem, and we need more info to
>> nail it down (hence the petition for $HOME/.xsession-errors).
>
> See attachment.

The only possible problem I see is

(nautilus:5655): libnotify-WARNING **: Failed to connect to proxy
ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on
:1.14:/org/freedesktop/Notifications: dbus.exceptions.DBusException:

What version of libnotify are you using? I have 0.7.5 installed.

> Do I need rtkit or not?

I don't have it installed; never had.

> I also had added the USE-flag "systemd" and re-built every package
> having that useflag.

Could you please attach the output of:

systemctl --all --full --no-pager

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 20.07.2012 18:08, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:

> Not really "mix and match". I run systemd/udev/GNOME3  in ~amd64,
> that's all, and I don't unmask any hard masked package. It's been
> working fine like that since, oh I don't know, when they removed the
> mask on GNOME 3?

Thanks for motivating me!

I will try to use your overlay ...

> Again, Stefan has probably a valid problem, and we need more info to
> nail it down (hence the petition for $HOME/.xsession-errors). 

See attachment.

Do I need rtkit or not?

I also had added the USE-flag "systemd" and re-built every package
having that useflag.

> Just
> unmasking everything and hoping that will solve the issues is usually
> not the best practice; specially since the Gentoo developers haven't
> decided how to handle the merge of udev/systemd.
> 
> Some want to provide a virtual/udev that systemd satisfy, and others
> want to keep things as they were before the merge, with the udev
> ebuild simply not installing the systemd parts.
> 
> Given that they haven't reached an agreement, I would *highly*
> recommend not trying yet systemd/udev >= 186.

OK, fine, thanks so far.

S

/etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
localuser:sgw being added to access control list
/etc/gdm/Xsession: Setup done, will execute: /usr/bin/dbus-launch 
--exit-with-session /usr/bin/ssh-agent -- gnome-session
GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-uskBGJ
GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-uskBGJ
GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-uskBGJ
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-uskBGJ/ssh
GPG_AGENT_INFO=/tmp/keyring-uskBGJ/gpg:0:1
GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-uskBGJ
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-uskBGJ/ssh

(gnome-settings-daemon:5621): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x0 (keycodes:  
130)  with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0)  has no usable modifiers (usable 
modifiers are 0x14ed)

(gnome-settings-daemon:5621): common-plugin-WARNING **: Key 0x0 (keycodes:  
236)  with state 0x0 (resolved to 0x0)  has no usable modifiers (usable 
modifiers are 0x14ed)
Initializing tracker-store...
Initializing tracker-miner-fs...
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Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Peter Alfredsen
 wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés  wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger  wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone use systemd on gentoo, with gnome3?
>>>
>>> Would someone share a tarball of /etc/systemd/system with me (off-list)
>>> so I could figure out what services and stuff are needed?
>>>
>>> Tried to follow the wiki-pages, but somehow after logging into gdm the
>>> session hangs ...
>>
>> I'm running GNOME 3 with, systemd 44 and udev 186, the first from my overlay:
>>
>> https://github.com/canek-pelaez/gentoo-systemd-only/
>>
>> However, the ebuilds in my overlay just change some dependencies so I
>> don't need to install OpenRC. Otherwise, they are identical to the
>> ones in the official tree. As Peter, I have the line
>>
>> -sessionoptionalpam_systemd.so
>>
>> in /etc/pam.d/system-auth. However, I still have consolekit started
>> (no problems whatsoever).
>
> There were some integration issues in upstream Gnome where most
> distros changed abruptly from using consolekit to systemd-logind which
> affected me when I went from systemd-44 to -185 because I ran into
> some race condition with -44. I imagine using consolekit will probably
> work in ~arch with no unmasks if you don't run into those race
> conditions on -44. But you gotta admit, it will probably be easier to
> follow the way Redhat is doing it than starting mixing and matching,
> because you will know that at least your combination works somewhere.

Not really "mix and match". I run systemd/udev/GNOME3  in ~amd64,
that's all, and I don't unmask any hard masked package. It's been
working fine like that since, oh I don't know, when they removed the
mask on GNOME 3?

Again, Stefan has probably a valid problem, and we need more info to
nail it down (hence the petition for $HOME/.xsession-errors). Just
unmasking everything and hoping that will solve the issues is usually
not the best practice; specially since the Gentoo developers haven't
decided how to handle the merge of udev/systemd.

Some want to provide a virtual/udev that systemd satisfy, and others
want to keep things as they were before the merge, with the udev
ebuild simply not installing the systemd parts.

Given that they haven't reached an agreement, I would *highly*
recommend not trying yet systemd/udev >= 186.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : (2) HDD or SSD ?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am Freitag, 20. Juli 2012, 03:31:44 schrieb Philip Webb:
> My regular machine has a Seagate SATA 320 GB ( 3 Gb/s 16 MB ).
> 
> Have SSDs reached the point where they are reliable & long-lasting ?
> Should I perhaps install an SSD for some uses + an HDD for others ?
> Is it viable to use an SSD for Portage ?
> 
> Apart from Portage + a few everyday files,
> there isn't much churn among the stuff I have on my existing HDD (above).
> 
> I saw a recent thread on this topic, but further thoughts are welcome.

forget the i7. Buy something a lot cheaper and invest the money into a nice, 
fat SSD like Vertex3.

Money well spent. 

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Peter Alfredsen]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés  wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone use systemd on gentoo, with gnome3?
>>
>> Would someone share a tarball of /etc/systemd/system with me (off-list)
>> so I could figure out what services and stuff are needed?
>>
>> Tried to follow the wiki-pages, but somehow after logging into gdm the
>> session hangs ...
>
> I'm running GNOME 3 with, systemd 44 and udev 186, the first from my overlay:
>
> https://github.com/canek-pelaez/gentoo-systemd-only/
>
> However, the ebuilds in my overlay just change some dependencies so I
> don't need to install OpenRC. Otherwise, they are identical to the
> ones in the official tree. As Peter, I have the line
>
> -sessionoptionalpam_systemd.so
>
> in /etc/pam.d/system-auth. However, I still have consolekit started
> (no problems whatsoever).

There were some integration issues in upstream Gnome where most
distros changed abruptly from using consolekit to systemd-logind which
affected me when I went from systemd-44 to -185 because I ran into
some race condition with -44. I imagine using consolekit will probably
work in ~arch with no unmasks if you don't run into those race
conditions on -44. But you gotta admit, it will probably be easier to
follow the way Redhat is doing it than starting mixing and matching,
because you will know that at least your combination works somewhere.

/Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : (2) HDD or SSD ?

[Paul Hartman]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Philip Webb  wrote:
> Is it viable to use an SSD for Portage ?

My nearly decade-old laptop, with a crappy Chinese brand of PATA SSD
blows away my i7 desktop which has a  fast HDD and 12GB of RAM when it
comes to emerge --sync and portage searches. Not to mention the laptop
boots to graphical login prompt in less than 5 seconds after I choose
Linux in the GRUB menu. Less heat and power usage, too.

So I think any modern computer with modern SSD should really fly. :)

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger  wrote:
>
> Does anyone use systemd on gentoo, with gnome3?
>
> Would someone share a tarball of /etc/systemd/system with me (off-list)
> so I could figure out what services and stuff are needed?
>
> Tried to follow the wiki-pages, but somehow after logging into gdm the
> session hangs ...

I'm running GNOME 3 with, systemd 44 and udev 186, the first from my overlay:

https://github.com/canek-pelaez/gentoo-systemd-only/

However, the ebuilds in my overlay just change some dependencies so I
don't need to install OpenRC. Otherwise, they are identical to the
ones in the official tree. As Peter, I have the line

-sessionoptionalpam_systemd.so

in /etc/pam.d/system-auth. However, I still have consolekit started
(no problems whatsoever).

All in all, I run systemd+GNOME3 very close to the official tree, as I
said. I have been doing it since last year; usually I don't have any
problem. A little more info would help; what does
$HOME/.xsession-errors says?

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Peter Alfredsen]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger  wrote:
> Am 2012-07-20 15:54, schrieb Peter Alfredsen:
>
>> Yeah udev is incorporated into later versions of systemd on gentoo and
>> the reason it is masked is because you have to do some
>> package.provided magic to get it all to work.
>
> sounds as if all this is still to much "beta" for me to make it worth
> the effort.

Nah, it's perfectly stable once you get over the first hurdles. It's
just not integrated into Gentoo at the moment.

/Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 2012-07-20 15:54, schrieb Peter Alfredsen:

> Yeah udev is incorporated into later versions of systemd on gentoo and
> the reason it is masked is because you have to do some
> package.provided magic to get it all to work.

sounds as if all this is still to much "beta" for me to make it worth
the effort.

Thanks, Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] VFAT problem

[Simon]

This is just a vague idea but maybe it is formated as FATX or exFAT which
may be seen like FAT16 or FAT32 on linux, but windows recognises the real
fs type?  It's a wild guess...  You could try to reformat it in Linux and
try using it after in the GPS to see if it will work.

See here if you're curious:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table#FATX

Simon

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Mark Knecht  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Helmut Jarausch
>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a Garmin GPS with a 32GB SD card.
> > If I attach my device to the USB port, a directory listing looks totally
> > scrambled.
> > A listing of the smaller (2GB) 'internal' storage device is just fine.
> > And I am sure the listing of the bigger SD card has been fine earlier
> > when less storage was used.
> >
> > The funny thing, looking at the same SD card from Windows7 (running in
> > VirtualBox)
> > gives a perfect listing (about 28 GB are used).
> >
> > What am I missing?
> >
> > Many thanks for a hint,
> > Helmut.
> >
>
> Hi Helmut,
>Sorry for the problems. No real good ideas here, but assuming the
> Win 7 VM is on the same Gentoo machine then it appears to be something
> missing from Gentoo. I'd start by using the Win 7 disk tools:
>
> Control Panel -> System & Security -> Create & format hard disk partitions
>
> and look to see what Win 7 believes it's talking to.
>
>Also, make sure if you have the VM running that it isn't
> automatically mounting the Garmin which would make the SD unavailable
> to Linux. Handle that in the Virtualbox->Device menu.
>
>Best of luck. Sounds like an interesting problem, if that's possible.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Peter Alfredsen]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger  wrote:
> Am 2012-07-20 14:43, schrieb Peter Alfredsen:
>> (I am assuming that you are using systemd-186 -- all earlier releases
>> I checked have bugs I ran into)
>
> thanks for all the information ... added those pam.d-lines, no success
>
> Unmasking systemd-186 brought up dependencies like udev .. I hesitate to
> go bleeding edge there as well.
>
> So maybe I just cancel this for now.

Yeah udev is incorporated into later versions of systemd on gentoo and
the reason it is masked is because you have to do some
package.provided magic to get it all to work.

/Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 2012-07-20 14:43, schrieb Peter Alfredsen:
> (I am assuming that you are using systemd-186 -- all earlier releases
> I checked have bugs I ran into)

thanks for all the information ... added those pam.d-lines, no success

Unmasking systemd-186 brought up dependencies like udev .. I hesitate to
go bleeding edge there as well.

So maybe I just cancel this for now.

Thanks, anyway, Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Peter Alfredsen]

(I am assuming that you are using systemd-186 -- all earlier releases
I checked have bugs I ran into)

If it's right after logging in, then I would suspect some PAM
deficiency. I wrote a bit about this on G+ yesterday:
"For anyone battling the trifecta of PAM, systemd and gnome on Gentoo,
take note that once you've gotten rid of consolekit, you need to add
the line:
-sessionoptionalpam_systemd.so
to system-auth, system-login and system-services in /etc/pam.d
The first two are documented elsewhere but the last one ensures that
gdm-welcome registers with systemd-logind, which fixed reboot from gdm
and gnome not working for me."

And, you need to get USE=-consolekit and mask consolekit, and you need
to get pulseaudio rebuilt after installing systemd and you need to get
>=polkit-0.107 working. That last bit was a bit hairy for those who
lived through it, but now I think it should do to:
chown -R polkitd:polkitd /var/lib/polkit-1

Generally, as long as you start services the right way:
systemctl start gdm.service (for example)
and they start without error, the dependency checking should get all
the dependencies started also.

FWIW, here's the output of "find /etc/systemd/system", but those are
all symlinks to /usr/lib/systemd/system
/etc/systemd/system/
/etc/systemd/system/bluetooth.target.wants
/etc/systemd/system/bluetooth.target.wants/bluetooth.service
/etc/systemd/system/default.target
/etc/systemd/system/graphical.target.wants
/etc/systemd/system/graphical.target.wants/rtkit-daemon.service
/etc/systemd/system/graphical.target.wants/gdm.service
/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants
/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/remote-fs.target
/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/ntpd.service
/etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/NetworkManager.service
/etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants
/etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty@tty1.service
/etc/systemd/system/dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service
/etc/systemd/system/local-fs.target.wants
/etc/systemd/system/sysinit.target.wants
/etc/systemd/system/network.target.wants
/etc/systemd/system/network.target.wants/NetworkManager-wait-online.service

/Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] mounting samsung galaxy S III (android ics)

[Aaron Russell]

Desksms also lets you send texts form your computer. but uses gtalk i
believe.

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Willie WY Wong wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 07:29:57AM +0200, Penguin Lover J. Roeleveld
> squawked:
> > Aside from installing an FTP-server, you can also install "AirDroid", it
> > lets you control the phone via a webbrowser over a WIFI-connection.
> >
> > It lets you backup nearly everything from your phone, including the
> > applications you installed. When downloading multiple files at once, it
> > zips them first.
> >
> > I also like the option to transfer the clipboard to/from the phone and
> > type text messages (SMS) in a webbrowser to be sent out by the phone.
> >
>
> Wow! New found capabilities for my droid. Thanks!
>
> W
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : (1) which CPU ?

[Florian Philipp]

Am 20.07.2012 14:06, schrieb Dale:
> 
> v...@ukr.net wrote:
>>   Hello!
>>
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 03:24:42 -0400
>> Philip Webb  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> However, I'm quite willing to look at AMD or consider waiting a bit
>>> till something newer from Intel reaches the regular market.
>>   Speaking of AMD processors, I remember one of my friends told that
>> their A10-series a good. I didn't study any details of it, but if you
>> are interested, you can check them out as well.
>>
>> Regards, Vladimir -  
> 
> I built my rig with a AMD CPU and I like it.  I prefer AMD since it has
> a lot of bang for less bucks.  Mine is this one:
> 
> AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor
> 
> I went from 12 to 14 hours building LOo on my older AMD 2500+ single
> core to about a hour or so on my new rig. 
> 
> One thing I have learned over the years when money is tight.  Always buy
> parts that are about 2 to 3 notches below the latest release.  My
> current CPU is 3.2Ghz which is about two notches below the fastest they
> had at the time.  I think the fastest was 3.4Ghz or something.  I saved
> a lot of money but most likely wouldn't be able to see the difference in
> speed.  You can do the same for mobos and such too. 
> 
> Also, with Linux, older hardware has more stable drivers than newer
> stuff.  If you buy a brand new mobo with all new chipsets, you can run
> into stability issues until the drivers get sorted out.  If you buy one
> that has been out a year or so, you have a MUCH better chance of getting
> good stable drivers. 
> 
> As always, your mileage may vary. 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 

+1 for AMD, especially if you consider integrated GPUs. If you want to
be sure you get a good deal, look for FLOPS per Dollar charts or similar
benchmarks. For example this [1].

[1] http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html

Regards,
Florian Philipp



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Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : (1) which CPU ?

[Michael Mol]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 7:40 AM,   wrote:
>   Hello!
>
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 03:24:42 -0400
> Philip Webb  wrote:
>
>> I plan to build a new machine in the next few months:
>> it wb for regular desktop use, but performance is as important as
>> price.
>>
>> A quick look at what was available in April suggested
>> an Intel Ivy Bridge i7 ( 22 nm ) ; Phoronix said it works with Kernel
>> 3.2
>> + an Intel Z77 mobo (I usually buy ASUS) & that power/watt was
>> excellent.
>>
>   If you are considering to buy an Intel CPU, I'd recommend you to pay
> some attention to such Intel' technologies as this one:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge#Intel_Insider_and_remote-control
> because it doesn't looks like an advantage to the end user, but rather
> as a security (or privacy) hole in one's system.

We went through this on this list a couple months ago.

That tech has been part of business-grade laptops and workstations for
a while. It's intended as a tool for a corporate IT department, not
the direct user of the machine.

I'm not saying it's something I'd necessarily like to have on my
personal devices, just that it's not exactly new.
-- 
:wq

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : (1) which CPU ?

[Dale]

v...@ukr.net wrote:
>   Hello!
>
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 03:24:42 -0400
> Philip Webb  wrote:
>
>
>> However, I'm quite willing to look at AMD or consider waiting a bit
>> till something newer from Intel reaches the regular market.
>   Speaking of AMD processors, I remember one of my friends told that
> their A10-series a good. I didn't study any details of it, but if you
> are interested, you can check them out as well.
>
> Regards, Vladimir -  

I built my rig with a AMD CPU and I like it.  I prefer AMD since it has
a lot of bang for less bucks.  Mine is this one:

AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor

I went from 12 to 14 hours building LOo on my older AMD 2500+ single
core to about a hour or so on my new rig. 

One thing I have learned over the years when money is tight.  Always buy
parts that are about 2 to 3 notches below the latest release.  My
current CPU is 3.2Ghz which is about two notches below the fastest they
had at the time.  I think the fastest was 3.4Ghz or something.  I saved
a lot of money but most likely wouldn't be able to see the difference in
speed.  You can do the same for mobos and such too. 

Also, with Linux, older hardware has more stable drivers than newer
stuff.  If you buy a brand new mobo with all new chipsets, you can run
into stability issues until the drivers get sorted out.  If you buy one
that has been out a year or so, you have a MUCH better chance of getting
good stable drivers. 

As always, your mileage may vary. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

-- 
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how 
you interpreted my words!

Re: [gentoo-user] mounting samsung galaxy S III (android ics)

[Willie WY Wong]

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 07:29:57AM +0200, Penguin Lover J. Roeleveld squawked:
> Aside from installing an FTP-server, you can also install "AirDroid", it
> lets you control the phone via a webbrowser over a WIFI-connection.
> 
> It lets you backup nearly everything from your phone, including the
> applications you installed. When downloading multiple files at once, it
> zips them first.
> 
> I also like the option to transfer the clipboard to/from the phone and
> type text messages (SMS) in a webbrowser to be sent out by the phone.
> 

Wow! New found capabilities for my droid. Thanks!

W 

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : (1) which CPU ?

[v_2e]

  Hello!

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 03:24:42 -0400
Philip Webb  wrote:

> I plan to build a new machine in the next few months:
> it wb for regular desktop use, but performance is as important as
> price.
> 
> A quick look at what was available in April suggested
> an Intel Ivy Bridge i7 ( 22 nm ) ; Phoronix said it works with Kernel
> 3.2
> + an Intel Z77 mobo (I usually buy ASUS) & that power/watt was
> excellent.
> 
  If you are considering to buy an Intel CPU, I'd recommend you to pay
some attention to such Intel' technologies as this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge#Intel_Insider_and_remote-control
because it doesn't looks like an advantage to the end user, but rather
as a security (or privacy) hole in one's system.


> However, I'm quite willing to look at AMD or consider waiting a bit
> till something newer from Intel reaches the regular market.
  Speaking of AMD processors, I remember one of my friends told that
their A10-series a good. I didn't study any details of it, but if you
are interested, you can check them out as well.

> My current box dates from 2007 & my stand-by from 2002 :
> the former has an Intel Core2 Duo, the latter an AMD Athlon XP 2500+ .
> 
> I don't want to pay a premium price for a bleeding-edge device
> which wb available at a more normal price a few months later.
> I wb buying it from the local store (Canada Computers), not on-line.
> 
> Does anyone have thoughts or advice ?
> 

  Regards,
Vladimir

- 
 

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Samuraiii]

Hi,
I would be also interested in such configuration preview.
S

On 2012-07-20 11:56, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Does anyone use systemd on gentoo, with gnome3?
>
> Would someone share a tarball of /etc/systemd/system with me (off-list)
> so I could figure out what services and stuff are needed?
>
> Tried to follow the wiki-pages, but somehow after logging into gdm the
> session hangs ...
>
> Thanks, Stefan
>

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[gentoo-user] systemd and gnome3

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Does anyone use systemd on gentoo, with gnome3?

Would someone share a tarball of /etc/systemd/system with me (off-list)
so I could figure out what services and stuff are needed?

Tried to follow the wiki-pages, but somehow after logging into gdm the
session hangs ...

Thanks, Stefan

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : (2) HDD or SSD ?

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 03:31:44 -0400, Philip Webb wrote:

> Have SSDs reached the point where they are reliable & long-lasting ?

Yes.

> Should I perhaps install an SSD for some uses + an HDD for others ?

That depends on how much storage you need. For large file storage,
especially things like video and ISO images where speed is less
important, a hard drive is good.

> Is it viable to use an SSD for Portage ?

Yes.


-- 
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[gentoo-user] new machine : (2) HDD or SSD ?

[Philip Webb]

My regular machine has a Seagate SATA 320 GB ( 3 Gb/s 16 MB ).

Have SSDs reached the point where they are reliable & long-lasting ?
Should I perhaps install an SSD for some uses + an HDD for others ?
Is it viable to use an SSD for Portage ?

Apart from Portage + a few everyday files,
there isn't much churn among the stuff I have on my existing HDD (above).

I saw a recent thread on this topic, but further thoughts are welcome.

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[gentoo-user] new machine : (1) which CPU ?

[Philip Webb]

I plan to build a new machine in the next few months:
it wb for regular desktop use, but performance is as important as price.

A quick look at what was available in April suggested
an Intel Ivy Bridge i7 ( 22 nm ) ; Phoronix said it works with Kernel 3.2
+ an Intel Z77 mobo (I usually buy ASUS) & that power/watt was excellent.

However, I'm quite willing to look at AMD or consider waiting a bit
till something newer from Intel reaches the regular market.
My current box dates from 2007 & my stand-by from 2002 :
the former has an Intel Core2 Duo, the latter an AMD Athlon XP 2500+ .

I don't want to pay a premium price for a bleeding-edge device
which wb available at a more normal price a few months later.
I wb buying it from the local store (Canada Computers), not on-line.

Does anyone have thoughts or advice ?

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