[gentoo-user] Re: OT: webserver reccomendations
On 28/06/15 07:45, Bill Kenworthy wrote: Hi all, over the years when I need a web-server I have just used Apache. I am in the process of consolidating my separate services VM's for various things into LXC containers and am looking for something a bit lighter if its worthwhile. I am currently using Apache for internal and external http/https static pages, webdav and radicale (dav/wsgi calendar) sometimes using vhosts. Is there something else much lighter weight than Apache for (each) of these tasks? - doesn't have to be the same application as I want to separate the tasks rather than have one huge complex Apache configuration serving an extremely light load. Nginx is an alternative for radicale (is it worth changing from one large application to one almost as heavy?) but what else can do wsgi/dav? BillK I use Debian 7 with Apache, Dovecot, etc. as Web, Mail, DNS, FTP server with 3 domains administered by ISPconfig running in a VirtualBox on top of Gentoo. Installation, configuration and maintenance is a piece of cake. Have a look at www.ispconfig.org. ISPconfig used to support Gentoo. Should work on Gentoo if appropriate symlinks are created to emulate Debian or Ubunto.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: is purchasing a usb blu ray a good idea?
On 27/06/2015 23:34, walt wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2015 18:18:45 -0400 gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: My new (dell E7450) laptop will be a slimline with no internal optical drive. So I want to purchase an external optical drive. My first thought was to get a drive that is both a blue ray READER and a dvd writer I naively thought that USB is USB so any such drive would work. However googling (especially linux sites) shows pages devoted to DRM issues. Although I do not intend to rip or write a blu-ray, the number of pages devoted to DRM seem to indicate more pain than gain for the few times I might read a blu ray. I have zero experience with blu-ray, so obviously I'm compelled to have an opinion instead :) Blu-ray feels to me like a technology that was obsolete when it hit the market as a consumer product. I remember being hot to buy the hardware when it was introduced, but it was way too expensive back then. By the time the price became reasonable, I realized that I wasn't using even the dvd burners I already owned because disk space was so cheap I was archiving to disk (redundantly, of course) instead of to dvd. One use-case I've never needed, though, is to burn 25 gigs of stuff so I can hand it or snail-mail it to someone instead of sending it over the internet. I just don't need it. I can imagine being required to use blu-ray by an employer or customer, though. My experience is similr to yours I have a blu-ray reader, plugged into my Kodi machine. It's never had a BR disk in it, instead, it plays CDs! On the very few times I've needed to do something with that many gigs of data, I've used a memory stick instead with the benefit they don't need optical hardware. I'd have to do this quite a few times to offset the cost of the hardware. I've also concluded that apart from movie studios and maybe niche markets, BR was dead when it hit the street -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: webserver reccomendations
On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:28:27 +0100, Mick wrote: I am using apache, nginx, thttpd, boa. I have also used lighttpd in the past. Why did you stop using lighttpd? -- Neil Bothwick Give me ambiguity or give me something else. pgppl1jOa8so8.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: is purchasing a usb blu ray a good idea?
On Sun, Jun 28 2015, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:10:54 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I have a blu-ray reader, plugged into my Kodi machine. It's never had a BR disk in it, instead, it plays CDs! I have a Blu-Ray reader in my desktop, it's a nice fast DVD-RW drive :) Thank you all. The consensus seems clear. allan
[gentoo-user] Re: PPPoE ADSL modem choice
On 22/06/15 20:41, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: fritzbox There are all other modems/router and then there are fritzbox versions. With very good security. Updates. And lots of niceuseful features. 2015-06-22 12:08 GMT+02:00 Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk mailto:pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk: On Monday 22 Jun 2015 02:49:24 I wrote: PPPoA is not used here in the UK as far as I know. I think I may have this backwards. -- Rgds Peter Bought last year a $300.-- FritzBox 7490. Returned the first one because it did not sync with my ISP. Returned the replacement because GRC Shieldsup (https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2) test showed 100's of open ports. FritzBox Australia claimed this is normal and is not a security risk. The supplier refunded the purchase price, Using now a $78.-- TP-Link TD-VG3631 with Voip. Not as fancy. Just works and has no open ports that can't be closed. Hans
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: is purchasing a usb blu ray a good idea?
thank you alan and walt. allan
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: is purchasing a usb blu ray a good idea?
On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:10:54 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I have a blu-ray reader, plugged into my Kodi machine. It's never had a BR disk in it, instead, it plays CDs! I have a Blu-Ray reader in my desktop, it's a nice fast DVD-RW drive :) On the very few times I've needed to do something with that many gigs of data, I've used a memory stick instead with the benefit they don't need optical hardware. I'd have to do this quite a few times to offset the cost of the hardware. Blu-Ray never took off to the extent that BD-ROM became useful as a distribution method. I've also concluded that apart from movie studios and maybe niche markets, BR was dead when it hit the street Even there it's dying. 25/50GB discs may have seemed like a good idea when they first started on them, but by the time it became commercially availably HD movie streaming was not only possible but for more convenient for many. -- Neil Bothwick furbling, v.: Having to wander through a maze of ropes at an airport or bank even when you are the only person in line. -- Rich Hall, Sniglets pgpdQHDBHnrbM.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: webserver reccomendations
On Sunday 28 Jun 2015 05:23:01 Jean-Christophe Bach wrote: * Bill Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au [28.06.2015. @05:45:37 +0800]: Hi all, over the years when I need a web-server I have just used Apache. I am in the process of consolidating my separate services VM's for various things into LXC containers and am looking for something a bit lighter if its worthwhile. I am currently using Apache for internal and external http/https static pages, webdav and radicale (dav/wsgi calendar) sometimes using vhosts. Is there something else much lighter weight than Apache for (each) of these tasks? - doesn't have to be the same application as I want to separate the tasks rather than have one huge complex Apache configuration serving an extremely light load. Nginx is an alternative for radicale (is it worth changing from one large application to one almost as heavy?) but what else can do wsgi/dav? BillK Hi Bill, I am self-hosting a lighttpd server with a cal/card dav sever: Baikal [1]. I also added a web (js) interface for it, in case of I would need it: CalDavZAP [2] and CardDavMATE [3] which were unified by InfCloud [4]. I chosed lighttpd because Apache became to heavy and to complex to admin for a simple personal server. Hope it will help you, JC [1] http://baikal-server.com [2] https://www.inf-it.com/open-source/clients/caldavzap/ [3] https://www.inf-it.com/open-source/clients/carddavmate/ [4] https://www.inf-it.com/open-source/clients/infcloud/ I am using apache, nginx, thttpd, boa. I have also used lighttpd in the past. For speed and features I would go with nginx. Small footprint single threaded boa is also extremely fast. YMMV. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] eix
Am 28.06.2015 um 23:12 schrieb James: eix arg use to match the arg string against all three: (1) gentoo tree /usr/portage (2) the /var/lib/layman/ overlays I had installed and manage with layman (3) my /usr/local/portage local ebuild placed in /usr/local/portage/ Now, only option (1) shows the embuilds I can manully part (2) as they are still kept in /var/lib/layman/ and see all the overlay (ebuilds) Likewise, I can manually part (3) /usr/local/portage any a vast collection of ugly ebuilds reside, fat dumb and happy to not be published, ATM. but no matter what I try eix shows nothing from (2) or (3) like it use to with the only requirement to match the string of the arg. Now I have read all the news items, the new docs like (https://cgit.gentoo.org/dev/ultrabug.git) and everything else I can google. How do I fix this so a simple (alias if necessary) shows all three sources of ebuilds on my system like it use to. Note I have updated eix to app-portage/eix-0.30.11 I have all the files in /etc/portage/repos.conf: gentoo.conf java.conf layman.conf local.conf cat layman.conf [DEFAULT] main-repo = gentoo [alunduil] priority = 50 location = /var/lib/layman/alunduil layman-type = git auto-sync = yes sync-uri = git://anongit.gentoo.org/dev/alunduil.git sync-type = laymansync [java] priority = 50 location = /var/lib/layman/java layman-type = git auto-sync = yes sync-uri = git://anongit.gentoo.org/proj/java.git sync-type = laymansync [sunrise] priority = 50 location = /var/lib/layman/sunrise layman-type = git auto-sync = yes sync-uri = git://anongit.gentoo.org/proj/sunrise-reviewed.git sync-type = laymansync [ultrabug] priority = 50 location = /var/lib/layman/ultrabug layman-type = git auto-sync = yes sync-uri = git://anongit.gentoo.org/dev/ultrabug.git sync-type = laymansync [xmw] priority = 50 location = /var/lib/layman/xmw layman-type = git auto-sync = yes sync-uri = git://anongit.gentoo.org/dev/xmw.git sync-type = laymansync I'd deeply appreciate a wee_bit of insight into this, with particular attention on the java repos and getting the latest java codes the devs are making available in the java repo, but not the gentoo tree. TIA, James and you use eix-sync? You did eix-update?
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: webserver reccomendations
On 29/06/15 02:46, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:27:57 +0100, Mick wrote: Why did you stop using lighttpd? I avoided offering much explanation in my previous response because, well ... I would feel uncomfortable doing so without a pint in my hand. :-)) So this is turning into a pub argument about which web server is best? :) All these are good servers for particular use cases. My use case for the lighttpd was an embedded system with a 266Mhz SoC and 32MB of RAM. I tried thttpd, lighttpd, apache and nginx on it. - lighttpd was heavier on memory usage, although not as bad as apache. - nginx was light, fast and full of features. - thttpd was very basic but got the job done with relatively low burden on resources. Slower than ligthttpd. - apache just about worked, but brought the little thing to its knees. Don't ask me for benchmarks please, because this was done some years ago. I went with nginx because it was faster and kept the CPU% and MEM% lowest among competitors. The task in hand was to serve some simple web pages with MRTG graphs on them. Thanks for the explanation, it appears I owe you a pint if you're ever in my neck of the woods... same here! I decided to start with lighttpd and it seems to do the job. Will look at Nginx next. Thanks, BillK
[gentoo-user] eix
eix arg use to match the arg string against all three: (1) gentoo tree /usr/portage (2) the /var/lib/layman/ overlays I had installed and manage with layman (3) my /usr/local/portage local ebuild placed in /usr/local/portage/ Now, only option (1) shows the embuilds I can manully part (2) as they are still kept in /var/lib/layman/ and see all the overlay (ebuilds) Likewise, I can manually part (3) /usr/local/portage any a vast collection of ugly ebuilds reside, fat dumb and happy to not be published, ATM. but no matter what I try eix shows nothing from (2) or (3) like it use to with the only requirement to match the string of the arg. Now I have read all the news items, the new docs like (https://cgit.gentoo.org/dev/ultrabug.git) and everything else I can google. How do I fix this so a simple (alias if necessary) shows all three sources of ebuilds on my system like it use to. Note I have updated eix to app-portage/eix-0.30.11 I have all the files in /etc/portage/repos.conf: gentoo.conf java.conf layman.conf local.conf cat layman.conf [DEFAULT] main-repo = gentoo [alunduil] priority = 50 location = /var/lib/layman/alunduil layman-type = git auto-sync = yes sync-uri = git://anongit.gentoo.org/dev/alunduil.git sync-type = laymansync [java] priority = 50 location = /var/lib/layman/java layman-type = git auto-sync = yes sync-uri = git://anongit.gentoo.org/proj/java.git sync-type = laymansync [sunrise] priority = 50 location = /var/lib/layman/sunrise layman-type = git auto-sync = yes sync-uri = git://anongit.gentoo.org/proj/sunrise-reviewed.git sync-type = laymansync [ultrabug] priority = 50 location = /var/lib/layman/ultrabug layman-type = git auto-sync = yes sync-uri = git://anongit.gentoo.org/dev/ultrabug.git sync-type = laymansync [xmw] priority = 50 location = /var/lib/layman/xmw layman-type = git auto-sync = yes sync-uri = git://anongit.gentoo.org/dev/xmw.git sync-type = laymansync I'd deeply appreciate a wee_bit of insight into this, with particular attention on the java repos and getting the latest java codes the devs are making available in the java repo, but not the gentoo tree. TIA, James
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: webserver reccomendations
On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:27:57 +0100, Mick wrote: Why did you stop using lighttpd? I avoided offering much explanation in my previous response because, well ... I would feel uncomfortable doing so without a pint in my hand. :-)) So this is turning into a pub argument about which web server is best? :) All these are good servers for particular use cases. My use case for the lighttpd was an embedded system with a 266Mhz SoC and 32MB of RAM. I tried thttpd, lighttpd, apache and nginx on it. - lighttpd was heavier on memory usage, although not as bad as apache. - nginx was light, fast and full of features. - thttpd was very basic but got the job done with relatively low burden on resources. Slower than ligthttpd. - apache just about worked, but brought the little thing to its knees. Don't ask me for benchmarks please, because this was done some years ago. I went with nginx because it was faster and kept the CPU% and MEM% lowest among competitors. The task in hand was to serve some simple web pages with MRTG graphs on them. Thanks for the explanation, it appears I owe you a pint if you're ever in my neck of the woods... -- Neil Bothwick Feminism: the radical notion that women are people. pgp4lIsL97WHe.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: webserver reccomendations
On Sunday 28 Jun 2015 16:05:41 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:28:27 +0100, Mick wrote: I am using apache, nginx, thttpd, boa. I have also used lighttpd in the past. Why did you stop using lighttpd? I avoided offering much explanation in my previous response because, well ... I would feel uncomfortable doing so without a pint in my hand. :-)) All these are good servers for particular use cases. My use case for the lighttpd was an embedded system with a 266Mhz SoC and 32MB of RAM. I tried thttpd, lighttpd, apache and nginx on it. - lighttpd was heavier on memory usage, although not as bad as apache. - nginx was light, fast and full of features. - thttpd was very basic but got the job done with relatively low burden on resources. Slower than ligthttpd. - apache just about worked, but brought the little thing to its knees. Don't ask me for benchmarks please, because this was done some years ago. I went with nginx because it was faster and kept the CPU% and MEM% lowest among competitors. The task in hand was to serve some simple web pages with MRTG graphs on them. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: PPPoE ADSL modem choice
On Sunday 28 Jun 2015 16:07:30 Hans wrote: On 22/06/15 20:41, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: fritzbox There are all other modems/router and then there are fritzbox versions. With very good security. Updates. And lots of niceuseful features. 2015-06-22 12:08 GMT+02:00 Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk mailto:pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk: On Monday 22 Jun 2015 02:49:24 I wrote: PPPoA is not used here in the UK as far as I know. I think I may have this backwards. -- Rgds Peter Bought last year a $300.-- FritzBox 7490. Returned the first one because it did not sync with my ISP. Returned the replacement because GRC Shieldsup (https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2) test showed 100's of open ports. FritzBox Australia claimed this is normal and is not a security risk. The supplier refunded the purchase price, Using now a $78.-- TP-Link TD-VG3631 with Voip. Not as fancy. Just works and has no open ports that can't be closed. Hans Are you sure it was actually showing open ports? It would show closed ports, rather than stealth if your firewall uses '-j REJECT' instead of '-j DROP' packets. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] eix
On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 23:39:35 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: eix arg use to match the arg string against all three: (1) gentoo tree /usr/portage (2) the /var/lib/layman/ overlays I had installed and manage with layman (3) my /usr/local/portage local ebuild placed in /usr/local/portage/ Now, only option (1) shows the embuilds I can manully part (2) as they are still kept in /var/lib/layman/ and see all the overlay (ebuilds) Likewise, I can manually part (3) /usr/local/portage any a vast collection of ugly ebuilds reside, fat dumb and happy to not be published, ATM. but no matter what I try eix shows nothing from (2) or (3) like it use to with the only requirement to match the string of the arg. Run eix-remote when you run eix-update Do eix -R pattern to search all overlays. RTFM for how to make this the default again. By running eix-remote, eix is able to search even overlays you do not have installed. -- Neil Bothwick There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult -C.A.R. Hoare pgpQEC4AXJyOl.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: webserver reccomendations
On Sunday 28 Jun 2015 14:26:06 Bill Kenworthy wrote: On 29/06/15 02:46, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:27:57 +0100, Mick wrote: Why did you stop using lighttpd? I avoided offering much explanation in my previous response because, well ... I would feel uncomfortable doing so without a pint in my hand. :-)) So this is turning into a pub argument about which web server is best? :) All these are good servers for particular use cases. My use case for the lighttpd was an embedded system with a 266Mhz SoC and 32MB of RAM. I tried thttpd, lighttpd, apache and nginx on it. - lighttpd was heavier on memory usage, although not as bad as apache. - nginx was light, fast and full of features. - thttpd was very basic but got the job done with relatively low burden on resources. Slower than ligthttpd. - apache just about worked, but brought the little thing to its knees. Don't ask me for benchmarks please, because this was done some years ago. I went with nginx because it was faster and kept the CPU% and MEM% lowest among competitors. The task in hand was to serve some simple web pages with MRTG graphs on them. Thanks for the explanation, it appears I owe you a pint if you're ever in my neck of the woods... same here! I decided to start with lighttpd and it seems to do the job. Will look at Nginx next. Thanks, BillK If I were to count the pints I owe you over the years for your kind help, the first round is definitely on me! :-) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: webserver reccomendations
Been happy with nginx ever since it wasn't 1.0 yet. Curious about YAWS :)
