[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender
On 2012-03-14, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 12 Mar 2012 18:34:37 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2012-03-12, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: No, I simply meant that if you use Postfix you don't have to use anyone else's SMTP server, If you've got a static IP address, a domain, an MX record, and whatever other requirements a lot of sites are now placing upon senders of mail. I used to use my own SMTP server, 10 years ago it worked fine. More recently, too many destinations wouldn't accept mail from me -- so I had to start using mail relays. Perhaps your mail address was blacklisted? Many ISPs IP address blocks are blacklisted these days. I know that was sometimes the case from the rejection message sent by the destination SMTP server. Even though I had a static IP address and an valid MX entry for the sending machine's hostname, some sites wouldn't accept mail because my static IP addres was in a block used for DSL customers (of which I was one). Also some ISPs are blocking ports (like 25 and 2525) to minimise spam sent out of compromised boxen. They would typically allow you to relay through their mailservers though. I've never run into that, but I know people who have. In either case, I wouldn't advise anybody to try using their own SMTP server to deliver mail directly to destinations unless they have their own domain, their own IP block, and the time+skills require to fight with the problems. Anybody with the requisite resources and skills probably wouldn't be asking questions here about how to use Gmail's SMTP server. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I Know A Joke!! at gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-03-14, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 12 Mar 2012 18:34:37 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2012-03-12, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: No, I simply meant that if you use Postfix you don't have to use anyone else's SMTP server, If you've got a static IP address, a domain, an MX record, and whatever other requirements a lot of sites are now placing upon senders of mail. I used to use my own SMTP server, 10 years ago it worked fine. More recently, too many destinations wouldn't accept mail from me -- so I had to start using mail relays. Perhaps your mail address was blacklisted? Many ISPs IP address blocks are blacklisted these days. I know that was sometimes the case from the rejection message sent by the destination SMTP server. Even though I had a static IP address and an valid MX entry for the sending machine's hostname, some sites wouldn't accept mail because my static IP addres was in a block used for DSL customers (of which I was one). Yeah, I can't even send email to my gmail account from my Comcast public IPv4 address. Also some ISPs are blocking ports (like 25 and 2525) to minimise spam sent out of compromised boxen. They would typically allow you to relay through their mailservers though. I've never run into that, but I know people who have. In either case, I wouldn't advise anybody to try using their own SMTP server to deliver mail directly to destinations unless they have their own domain, their own IP block, and the time+skills require to fight with the problems. Anybody with the requisite resources and skills probably wouldn't be asking questions here about how to use Gmail's SMTP server. My workaround involved relaying my network's outgoing email through my VPS node's email server. (My VPS provider, prgmr.com, doesn't seem to be on any blocklists, etc.) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender
On Thursday 15 Mar 2012 14:51:10 Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-03-14, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps your mail address was blacklisted? Many ISPs IP address blocks are blacklisted these days. I know that was sometimes the case from the rejection message sent by the destination SMTP server. Even though I had a static IP address and an valid MX entry for the sending machine's hostname, some sites wouldn't accept mail because my static IP addres was in a block used for DSL customers (of which I was one). Yeah, I can't even send email to my gmail account from my Comcast public IPv4 address. Have you tried using port 587? Comcast should accept relaying on that port IIRC with your customer username/passwd. Or are you saying that Google will not accept incoming mail from Comcast addresses/IP blocks? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 15 Mar 2012 14:51:10 Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012-03-14, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps your mail address was blacklisted? Many ISPs IP address blocks are blacklisted these days. I know that was sometimes the case from the rejection message sent by the destination SMTP server. Even though I had a static IP address and an valid MX entry for the sending machine's hostname, some sites wouldn't accept mail because my static IP addres was in a block used for DSL customers (of which I was one). Yeah, I can't even send email to my gmail account from my Comcast public IPv4 address. Have you tried using port 587? Comcast should accept relaying on that port IIRC with your customer username/passwd. Researched that, but I ultimately didn't go that route because I couldn't find any good documentation on the appropriate settings. Or are you saying that Google will not accept incoming mail from Comcast addresses/IP blocks? Not saying that; to my knowledge, Gmail accepts relay through Comcast's relay points, but I haven't tested that. I've only tested direct connections. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender
On Thursday 15 Mar 2012 20:07:54 Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Have you tried using port 587? Comcast should accept relaying on that port IIRC with your customer username/passwd. Researched that, but I ultimately didn't go that route because I couldn't find any good documentation on the appropriate settings. OK, have a look at this in case it helps. http://www.linuxha.com/other/sendmail/index.html -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 15 Mar 2012 20:07:54 Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Have you tried using port 587? Comcast should accept relaying on that port IIRC with your customer username/passwd. Researched that, but I ultimately didn't go that route because I couldn't find any good documentation on the appropriate settings. OK, have a look at this in case it helps. http://www.linuxha.com/other/sendmail/index.html Cool beans. I'm not likely to change things (for now), but I'll remember where I saw it, if I need it. :) -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender
On Monday 12 Mar 2012 18:34:37 Grant Edwards wrote: On 2012-03-12, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 12 March 2012, at 14:59, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 02:22:34PM +0100, Andr??s Cs??nyi wrote: On 11 March 2012 13:49, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 10 March 2012, at 20:56, Andr??s Cs??nyi wrote: ??? I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu, and the email address is sayusi.a...@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the sender email address. ??? ??Do you know any solution for this? Use a different SMTP server. I don't believe there's any alternative. Have you considered Postfix? What do you mean when you say Postfix? I think Stroller may have confused gee-mail and queue-mail. The only reason I looked at this thread was becaue 'g' and 'q' do look similar, and I thought it might be about qmail. qmail is a mailer program, like Postfix, sendmail, and so on, whereas gmail is a mail domain, like yahoo, hotmail, etc. No, I simply meant that if you use Postfix you don't have to use anyone else's SMTP server, If you've got a static IP address, a domain, an MX record, and whatever other requirements a lot of sites are now placing upon senders of mail. I used to use my own SMTP server, 10 years ago it worked fine. More recently, too many destinations wouldn't accept mail from me -- so I had to start using mail relays. Perhaps your mail address was blacklisted? Many ISPs IP address blocks are blacklisted these days. Also some ISPs are blocking ports (like 25 and 2525) to minimise spam sent out of compromised boxen. They would typically allow you to relay through their mailservers though. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender
On 2012-03-12, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 12 March 2012, at 14:59, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 02:22:34PM +0100, Andr??s Cs??nyi wrote: On 11 March 2012 13:49, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 10 March 2012, at 20:56, Andr??s Cs??nyi wrote: ??? I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu, and the email address is sayusi.a...@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the sender email address. ??? ??Do you know any solution for this? Use a different SMTP server. I don't believe there's any alternative. Have you considered Postfix? What do you mean when you say Postfix? I think Stroller may have confused gee-mail and queue-mail. The only reason I looked at this thread was becaue 'g' and 'q' do look similar, and I thought it might be about qmail. qmail is a mailer program, like Postfix, sendmail, and so on, whereas gmail is a mail domain, like yahoo, hotmail, etc. No, I simply meant that if you use Postfix you don't have to use anyone else's SMTP server, If you've got a static IP address, a domain, an MX record, and whatever other requirements a lot of sites are now placing upon senders of mail. I used to use my own SMTP server, 10 years ago it worked fine. More recently, too many destinations wouldn't accept mail from me -- so I had to start using mail relays. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! My polyvinyl cowboy at wallet was made in Hong gmail.comKong by Montgomery Clift!
[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender
On 10/03/12 22:56, András Csányi wrote: Dear All, I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu, and the email address is sayusi.a...@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the sender email address. Doesn't the verification email always go to the From: address rather than the Sender: address? Doesn't make sense otherwise, since the address you want to subscribe to the list is the From: one, not the Sender: one.
[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender
On 2012-03-10, Andr??s Cs??nyi sayusi.a...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu, and the email address is sayusi.a...@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the sender email address. Indeed it does. AFAICT, there's nothing you can do about it. If I would like to subscribe for a mailing list with this email address and the email is sent from my local machine the respond always comes to my gmail address which used to authenticate. That's how gmail works. It always forces the from address to be your gmail account. IIRC, there's supposed to be a way to set the reply-to address to a different address as long as that address is one of the one's you have authenticated. I have tried to set up my gmail account but doesn't matter what the setup is the sender always will be overwrite. Do you know any solution for this? I don't think there is a solution other than use a different SMTP server. -- Grant
[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender
On 11/03/12 16:41, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2012-03-10, Andr??s Cs??nyisayusi.a...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu, and the email address is sayusi.a...@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the sender email address. Indeed it does. AFAICT, there's nothing you can do about it. If I would like to subscribe for a mailing list with this email address and the email is sent from my local machine the respond always comes to my gmail address which used to authenticate. That's how gmail works. It always forces the from address to be your gmail account. It doesn't. It works OK here. I think the OP means the Sender, not the From: address.
[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender
On 11/03/12 16:49, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Mar 11, 2012 3:59 AM, András Csányi sayusi.a...@gmail.com mailto:sayusi.a...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu http://sayusi.hu, and the email address is sayusi.a...@sayusi.hu mailto:sayusi.a...@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the sender email address. If I would like to subscribe for a mailing list with this email address and the email is sent from my local machine the respond always comes to my gmail address which used to authenticate. I have tried to set up my gmail account but doesn't matter what the setup is the sender always will be overwrite. Do you know any solution for this? Thanks in advance! András See my email address? It's actually sent from Gmail. BUT, I have my own hosted website (with its own SMTP server). Without your own SMTP server, Gmail will always send your email as some...@gmail.com mailto:some...@gmail.com on behalf of some...@yourdomain.com mailto:some...@yourdomain.com. That's also wrong. I use From: addresses that don't have any SMTP associated with them. GMail only touches the Sender: address, not the From: address.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender
On Mar 11, 2012 10:08 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/03/12 16:49, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Mar 11, 2012 3:59 AM, András Csányi sayusi.a...@gmail.com mailto:sayusi.a...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu http://sayusi.hu, and the email address is sayusi.a...@sayusi.hu mailto:sayusi.a...@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the sender email address. If I would like to subscribe for a mailing list with this email address and the email is sent from my local machine the respond always comes to my gmail address which used to authenticate. I have tried to set up my gmail account but doesn't matter what the setup is the sender always will be overwrite. Do you know any solution for this? Thanks in advance! András See my email address? It's actually sent from Gmail. BUT, I have my own hosted website (with its own SMTP server). Without your own SMTP server, Gmail will always send your email as some...@gmail.com mailto:some...@gmail.com on behalf of some...@yourdomain.com mailto:some...@yourdomain.com. That's also wrong. I use From: addresses that don't have any SMTP associated with them. GMail only touches the Sender: address, not the From: address. Yes, header-wise, the From: is not changed. But, client-side, especially on Thunderbird and Outlook/Outlook Express, the *display* From: will look like that. Rgds,
[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender
On 11/03/12 17:18, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Mar 11, 2012 10:08 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com mailto:rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/03/12 16:49, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Mar 11, 2012 3:59 AM, András Csányi sayusi.a...@gmail.com mailto:sayusi.a...@gmail.com mailto:sayusi.a...@gmail.com mailto:sayusi.a...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu http://sayusi.hu http://sayusi.hu, and the email address is sayusi.a...@sayusi.hu mailto:sayusi.a...@sayusi.hu mailto:sayusi.a...@sayusi.hu mailto:sayusi.a...@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the sender email address. If I would like to subscribe for a mailing list with this email address and the email is sent from my local machine the respond always comes to my gmail address which used to authenticate. I have tried to set up my gmail account but doesn't matter what the setup is the sender always will be overwrite. Do you know any solution for this? Thanks in advance! András See my email address? It's actually sent from Gmail. BUT, I have my own hosted website (with its own SMTP server). Without your own SMTP server, Gmail will always send your email as some...@gmail.com mailto:some...@gmail.com mailto:some...@gmail.com mailto:some...@gmail.com on behalf of some...@yourdomain.com mailto:some...@yourdomain.com mailto:some...@yourdomain.com mailto:some...@yourdomain.com. That's also wrong. I use From: addresses that don't have any SMTP associated with them. GMail only touches the Sender: address, not the From: address. Yes, header-wise, the From: is not changed. But, client-side, especially on Thunderbird and Outlook/Outlook Express, the *display* From: will look like that. There is no display from. I use Thunderbird and it reports the from correctly (that is, it says the mail did not come from GMail.) All mail clients do that. They use the From: address. It's a standard specified in an RFC.
[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender
On 2012-03-11, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: There is no display from. I use Thunderbird and it reports the from correctly (that is, it says the mail did not come from GMail.) All mail clients do that. Outlook never used to. It always used to display the on behalf of stuff. They use the From: address. It's a standard specified in an RFC. Oh, well Microsoft has never violated an RFC, so I'm sure you're right. -- Grant
[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender
On 11/03/12 18:14, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2012-03-11, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@gmail.com wrote: There is no display from. I use Thunderbird and it reports the from correctly (that is, it says the mail did not come from GMail.) All mail clients do that. Outlook never used to. It always used to display the on behalf of stuff. They use the From: address. It's a standard specified in an RFC. Oh, well Microsoft has never violated an RFC, so I'm sure you're right. GMail does not generate an on behalf of header either. I just tested it. I've sent an email through GMail's SMTP. Here are the relevant headers of the email that arrived. my_other_address is what I used as From: Return-path: rea...@gmail.com Envelope-to: my_other_address Sender: Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com From: my_other_address The OP mentioned that the problem is that he wants to subscribe to a mailing list, but that list sends the verification mail to the Sender: address rather than the From: address. Which sounds very weird to me. If you want to subscribe the From: address to a list, why would they want to verify the Sender: address instead? Makes no sense.
[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender
On 2012-03-11, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/03/12 18:14, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2012-03-11, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@gmail.com wrote: There is no display from. I use Thunderbird and it reports the from correctly (that is, it says the mail did not come from GMail.) All mail clients do that. Outlook never used to. It always used to display the on behalf of stuff. They use the From: address. It's a standard specified in an RFC. Oh, well Microsoft has never violated an RFC, so I'm sure you're right. GMail does not generate an on behalf of header either. I just tested it. I've sent an email through GMail's SMTP. Here are the relevant headers of the email that arrived. my_other_address is what I used as From: Return-path: rea...@gmail.com Envelope-to: my_other_address Sender: Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com From: my_other_address Ah! Apparently gmail has fixed the sender problem. According to wikipedia, they now allow you to use somebody else's SMTP server: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmail#On_behalf_of That's not what you're doing? If they have indeed fixed it so you can send mail using Google's SMTP server and have something other than your gmail address show up in the sender field, then it's time to celebrate. The OP mentioned that the problem is that he wants to subscribe to a mailing list, but that list sends the verification mail to the Sender: address rather than the From: address. Which sounds very weird to me. If you want to subscribe the From: address to a list, why would they want to verify the Sender: address instead? Makes no sense. Dunno. I didn't relly understand what the OP was saying. I was confirming (erroneously), the gmail would always put the gmail address in the sender header, which then triggered Outlook to display the on behalf of stuff. That issue has apparently been fixed. -- Grant
