Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
> > > The thing I'm confused about is how I can get anything back to the > > > laptop when it won't even have an OS on it. I could boot a LiveCD but > > > I don't think I'll be able to connect to the wireless network. > > > > Hum...that's pretty much a show stopper. In that case, setting up a > > wired network (if they have wlan, these machines would have wired lan as > > well, no?) or buying that 2.5" IDE adapter is probably the least hassle. > > Do you think it's a lost cause anyway since after a format/reinstall > the system still detects errors on the disk? > > - Grant Grant, At this point if you cannot get a clean bill of health for this drive from 2 or 3 different tools then it seems the drive is shot and needs to be replaced. I cannot imagine that it is a good use of your time installing Gentoo only to have it fail in the middle of the install or worse yet a day or two after you finish and start using the machine again. Are laptop hard drives really that expensive or hard to replace? I should think that you could get a small computer shop to drop something in for under $100, depending on your needs of course. Anyway, don't fight the trend. It seems this drive, or possibly this laptop but probably the drive, needs to be fixed. Without a solid laptop foundation your Gentoo building will soon come crashing down. Thanks to everyone for helping me out here. I do think the drive is damaged. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
On 1/28/07, Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The thing I'm confused about is how I can get anything back to the > > laptop when it won't even have an OS on it. I could boot a LiveCD but > > I don't think I'll be able to connect to the wireless network. > > Hum...that's pretty much a show stopper. In that case, setting up a > wired network (if they have wlan, these machines would have wired lan as > well, no?) or buying that 2.5" IDE adapter is probably the least hassle. Do you think it's a lost cause anyway since after a format/reinstall the system still detects errors on the disk? - Grant Grant, At this point if you cannot get a clean bill of health for this drive from 2 or 3 different tools then it seems the drive is shot and needs to be replaced. I cannot imagine that it is a good use of your time installing Gentoo only to have it fail in the middle of the install or worse yet a day or two after you finish and start using the machine again. Are laptop hard drives really that expensive or hard to replace? I should think that you could get a small computer shop to drop something in for under $100, depending on your needs of course. Anyway, don't fight the trend. It seems this drive, or possibly this laptop but probably the drive, needs to be fixed. Without a solid laptop foundation your Gentoo building will soon come crashing down. Just my 2 cents, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
On 28 January 2007 19:15, Grant wrote: > > > The thing I'm confused about is how I can get anything back to the > > > laptop when it won't even have an OS on it. I could boot a LiveCD but > > > I don't think I'll be able to connect to the wireless network. > > > > Hum...that's pretty much a show stopper. In that case, setting up a > > wired network (if they have wlan, these machines would have wired lan as > > well, no?) or buying that 2.5" IDE adapter is probably the least hassle. > > Do you think it's a lost cause anyway since after a format/reinstall > the system still detects errors on the disk? A lost drive rather than a lost case. ;-) (Well, it could also be the controller. So you better let the people where you have bought the box check it.) Get a new harddrive. After that, you might still be able to get your data back. Neil suggested earlier today to use a LiveCD that supports madwifi - Knoppix would do. If that is too much of a hassle, how difficult can it be to get your hands on a crossover cable? If you can't crimp one yourself, buy one for approximately $2.99. I can do that even here in Africa. Shouldn't be too big a problem whereever you live. Uwe -- A fast and easy generator of fractals for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/iwy-1.0.tar.bz2 Proof of concept of a TSP solver for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/epat-0.1.tar.bz2 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
> The thing I'm confused about is how I can get anything back to the > laptop when it won't even have an OS on it. I could boot a LiveCD but > I don't think I'll be able to connect to the wireless network. Hum...that's pretty much a show stopper. In that case, setting up a wired network (if they have wlan, these machines would have wired lan as well, no?) or buying that 2.5" IDE adapter is probably the least hassle. Do you think it's a lost cause anyway since after a format/reinstall the system still detects errors on the disk? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
Hi Grant, on Saturday, 2007-01-27 at 09:34:47, you wrote: > The thing I'm confused about is how I can get anything back to the > laptop when it won't even have an OS on it. I could boot a LiveCD but > I don't think I'll be able to connect to the wireless network. Hum...that's pretty much a show stopper. In that case, setting up a wired network (if they have wlan, these machines would have wired lan as well, no?) or buying that 2.5" IDE adapter is probably the least hassle. cheers! Matthias -- I prefer encrypted and signed messages. KeyID: FAC37665 Fingerprint: 8C16 3F0A A6FC DF0D 19B0 8DEF 48D9 1700 FAC3 7665 pgpvLs5zulXqZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:05:31 -0800, Grant wrote: > > The same way you copied it from the laptop in the first place: boot > > from a live CD and copy it with rsync or that tar+ssh hack. > > The problem with booting into the LiveCD is I can't get on the > network. I don't have a crossover cable to connect to the Gentoo > router (although I'm ordering a switch), and I don't think the LiveCD > supports madwifi since it doesn't have a net.ath0 interface. I had > just booted normally and copied /dev/hda3 over before. I mentioned "a live CD" not "the live CD". It doesn't have to be a Gentoo install CD, and Knoppix includes madwifi. -- Neil Bothwick If you got the words it does not mean you got the knowledge. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
Grant wrote: === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED Well - although says its passed - if you run any of the self-tests I would expect to see a change to 'failed'. You might want to run the 'short' or 'long' tests (-t short or -t long) and see what happens but given the state indicated below... I'd conclude 'She's dead Jim' at this point and start looking for another disk (also check the warranty for your laptop). 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 100 100 047Pre-fail Always - 3006 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 124838871047 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 091 091 000Old_age Always - 10 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 092 092 000Old_age Offline - 16 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count0x003e 200 196 000Old_age Always - 143 200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x000f 100 100 060Pre-fail Always - 28028 These indicate things are not well. Error 868 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 12653 hours (527 days + 5 hours) Well yes - 868 actual errors ... not good. The last disk I got replaced under warranty did not have a SMART report as bad as this (4 offline uncorrectable and 10 read errors) regards Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
I did a fresh format and install with the GTK installer from a LiveCD and on the second boot errors are detected in the file system. I guess it's over for this drive? If its within its warranty, send it back and ask for a replacement. Make sure try get a technical explanation of what exactly is wrong with it. -- Kent -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
On 1/28/07, Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I haven't checked the laptop drive yet. Can I make a smartmontools package for the x86 laptop on the amd64 desktop? How can I do that? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list ... that could also possibly explain why vim is dying, if you've compiled amd64 in 64 bit mode some of your 32bit apps might complain. ;) -- /
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
On 1/28/07, Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I did just try chrooting into my laptop's /dev/hda3 copy on my desktop system with: chroot /home/grant/hda3 /bin/bash and the vi command always seg faults. Does that mean the /dev/hda3 image is done-for and I should just start the laptop over from scratch and import my /etc/ and /home/ directories when it's re-installed? You may have neglected to setup /dev /proc and /sys for the chroot environment. The gentoo install handbook will *should* show you how to get these going. -- Kent -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
>> >> >> > and the vi command always seg faults. Does that mean the >> /dev/hda3 >> >> >> > image is done-for and I should just start the laptop over from >> >> scratch >> >> >> > and import my /etc/ and /home/ directories when it's >> re-installed? >> >> >> >> >> >> I would try putting it all back and re-emerge everything (emerge >> -vaD >> >> >> --emptytree world). It would fix if anything bad happened to the >> >> compiled >> >> >> things and you could start using the things which survived sooner. >> >> > >> >> > I tried re-emerging vim from within the chroot and I got: >> >> > >> >> > /usr/portage/eclass/vim.eclass: line 342: make: command not found >> >> > >> >> > What do you think? >> >> > >> >> >> >> Have you checked the laptop drive? If it is faulty then >> re-installing is >> >> just wasting your time. >> >> >> >> I would recommend checking the drive with smartmontools before >> going any >> >> further. Given the problems outlined above, I would make a package for >> >> it on your desktop and do a binary install of the result on the >> laptop. >> > >> > I haven't checked the laptop drive yet. Can I make a smartmontools >> > package for the x86 laptop on the amd64 desktop? How can I do that? >> > >> > >> >> Actually, I just noticed that smartmontools is installed on the livecd, >> so just use that! Post the output of '/usr/sbin/smartctl -d ata -a >> /dev/hda' - (assuming that your hard drive *is* /dev/hda of course...) > > That command takes less than a second to complete and there is a lot > of output. One thing that jumps out at me is: > > ATA Error Count: 868 > > Is there anything else I should post? > Hmmm - sounds like its seen 868 read/write errors. However to advise you better we need to see the output. I suspect it is huge because there are error details for each of the 868 errors. How about post the first 200 lines of the smartctl output to the list? I did a fresh format and install with the GTK installer from a LiveCD and on the second boot errors are detected in the file system. I guess it's over for this drive? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
> All of the laptop's data has now been moved to the desktop system over > the network. I still don't see how I can move the data back to the > laptop after reformatting it. The same way you copied it from the laptop in the first place: boot from a live CD and copy it with rsync or that tar+ssh hack. The problem with booting into the LiveCD is I can't get on the network. I don't have a crossover cable to connect to the Gentoo router (although I'm ordering a switch), and I don't think the LiveCD supports madwifi since it doesn't have a net.ath0 interface. I had just booted normally and copied /dev/hda3 over before. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
Hmmm - sounds like its seen 868 read/write errors. However to advise you better we need to see the output. I suspect it is huge because there are error details for each of the 868 errors. How about post the first 200 lines of the smartctl output to the list? Here are the first 91 lines. After that it looks like error specifics. Please let me know what you think or if you need more info. smartctl version 5.36 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce Allen Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Fujitsu MHT2xxxAT/MHU2100AT series Device Model: FUJITSU MHT2040AT Serial Number:NN50T481446T Firmware Version: 0022 User Capacity:40,007,761,920 bytes Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] ATA Version is: 6 ATA Standard is: ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 3a Local Time is:Sat Jan 27 15:47:38 2007 UTC SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED General SMART Values: Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity was never started. Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled. Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed without error or no self-test has ever been run. Total time to complete Offline data collection: ( 293) seconds. Offline data collection capabilities:(0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate. Auto Offline data collection on/off support. Suspend Offline collection upon new command. Offline surface scan supported. Self-test supported. Conveyance Self-test supported. Selective Self-test supported. SMART capabilities:(0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering power-saving mode. Supports SMART auto save timer. Error logging capability:(0x01) Error logging supported. No General Purpose Logging support. Short self-test routine recommended polling time:( 2) minutes. Extended self-test routine recommended polling time:( 40) minutes. Conveyance self-test routine recommended polling time:( 2) minutes. SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 100 093 046Pre-fail Always - 169149 2 Throughput_Performance 0x0005 100 100 030Pre-fail Offline - 15663104 3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003 100 100 025Pre-fail Always - 0 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032 099 099 000Old_age Always - 1012 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 024Pre-fail Always - 8559870279687 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 100 100 047Pre-fail Always - 3006 8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0005 100 100 019Pre-fail Offline - 0 9 Power_On_Seconds0x0032 075 075 000Old_age Always - 12656h+03m+48s 10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0013 100 100 020Pre-fail Always - 0 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 926 192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 103 193 Load_Cycle_Count0x0032 066 066 000Old_age Always - 340716 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 100 070 000Old_age Always - 43 (Lifetime Min/Max 13/66) 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 100 100 000Old_age Always - 4244 196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - 124838871047 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 091 091 000Old_age Always - 10 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 092 092 000Old_age Offline - 16 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count0x003e 200 196 000Old_age Always - 143 200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x000f 100 100 060Pre-fail Always - 28028 203 Run_Out_Cancel 0x0002 100 100 000Old_age Always - 433780032038 SMART Error Log Version: 1 ATA Error Count: 868 (device log contains only the most recent five errors) CR = Command Register [HEX] FR = Features Register [HEX]
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 23:09:22 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: > The same way you copied it from the laptop in the first place: boot from > a live CD and copy it with rsync or that tar+ssh hack. And as your laptop's drive may not be trustworthy, I'd run rsync a second time, immediately after the first. If it tries to copy any files again, something is most likely amiss with the drive. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 17: Clearly misunderstood signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:38:23 -0800, Grant wrote: > All of the laptop's data has now been moved to the desktop system over > the network. I still don't see how I can move the data back to the > laptop after reformatting it. The same way you copied it from the laptop in the first place: boot from a live CD and copy it with rsync or that tar+ssh hack. -- Neil Bothwick Suicide is the most sincere form of self-criticism. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Grant wrote: >> >> > and the vi command always seg faults. Does that mean the /dev/hda3 >> >> > image is done-for and I should just start the laptop over from >> scratch >> >> > and import my /etc/ and /home/ directories when it's re-installed? >> >> >> >> I would try putting it all back and re-emerge everything (emerge -vaD >> >> --emptytree world). It would fix if anything bad happened to the >> compiled >> >> things and you could start using the things which survived sooner. >> > >> > I tried re-emerging vim from within the chroot and I got: >> > >> > /usr/portage/eclass/vim.eclass: line 342: make: command not found >> > >> > What do you think? >> > >> >> Have you checked the laptop drive? If it is faulty then re-installing is >> just wasting your time. >> >> I would recommend checking the drive with smartmontools before going any >> further. Given the problems outlined above, I would make a package for >> it on your desktop and do a binary install of the result on the laptop. > > I haven't checked the laptop drive yet. Can I make a smartmontools > package for the x86 laptop on the amd64 desktop? How can I do that? > > Actually, I just noticed that smartmontools is installed on the livecd, so just use that! Post the output of '/usr/sbin/smartctl -d ata -a /dev/hda' - (assuming that your hard drive *is* /dev/hda of course...) That command takes less than a second to complete and there is a lot of output. One thing that jumps out at me is: ATA Error Count: 868 Is there anything else I should post? Hmmm - sounds like its seen 868 read/write errors. However to advise you better we need to see the output. I suspect it is huge because there are error details for each of the 868 errors. How about post the first 200 lines of the smartctl output to the list? Cheers Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
>> >> > and the vi command always seg faults. Does that mean the /dev/hda3 >> >> > image is done-for and I should just start the laptop over from >> scratch >> >> > and import my /etc/ and /home/ directories when it's re-installed? >> >> >> >> I would try putting it all back and re-emerge everything (emerge -vaD >> >> --emptytree world). It would fix if anything bad happened to the >> compiled >> >> things and you could start using the things which survived sooner. >> > >> > I tried re-emerging vim from within the chroot and I got: >> > >> > /usr/portage/eclass/vim.eclass: line 342: make: command not found >> > >> > What do you think? >> > >> >> Have you checked the laptop drive? If it is faulty then re-installing is >> just wasting your time. >> >> I would recommend checking the drive with smartmontools before going any >> further. Given the problems outlined above, I would make a package for >> it on your desktop and do a binary install of the result on the laptop. > > I haven't checked the laptop drive yet. Can I make a smartmontools > package for the x86 laptop on the amd64 desktop? How can I do that? > > Actually, I just noticed that smartmontools is installed on the livecd, so just use that! Post the output of '/usr/sbin/smartctl -d ata -a /dev/hda' - (assuming that your hard drive *is* /dev/hda of course...) That command takes less than a second to complete and there is a lot of output. One thing that jumps out at me is: ATA Error Count: 868 Is there anything else I should post? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
Grant wrote: >> > and the vi command always seg faults. Does that mean the /dev/hda3 >> > image is done-for and I should just start the laptop over from scratch >> > and import my /etc/ and /home/ directories when it's re-installed? >> >> I would try putting it all back and re-emerge everything (emerge -vaD >> --emptytree world). It would fix if anything bad happened to the compiled >> things and you could start using the things which survived sooner. > > I tried re-emerging vim from within the chroot and I got: > > /usr/portage/eclass/vim.eclass: line 342: make: command not found > > What do you think? > Have you checked the laptop drive? If it is faulty then re-installing is just wasting your time. I would recommend checking the drive with smartmontools before going any further. Given the problems outlined above, I would make a package for it on your desktop and do a binary install of the result on the laptop. I haven't checked the laptop drive yet. Can I make a smartmontools package for the x86 laptop on the amd64 desktop? How can I do that? Actually, I just noticed that smartmontools is installed on the livecd, so just use that! Post the output of '/usr/sbin/smartctl -d ata -a /dev/hda' - (assuming that your hard drive *is* /dev/hda of course...) Cheers Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
>> > and the vi command always seg faults. Does that mean the /dev/hda3 >> > image is done-for and I should just start the laptop over from scratch >> > and import my /etc/ and /home/ directories when it's re-installed? >> >> I would try putting it all back and re-emerge everything (emerge -vaD >> --emptytree world). It would fix if anything bad happened to the compiled >> things and you could start using the things which survived sooner. > > I tried re-emerging vim from within the chroot and I got: > > /usr/portage/eclass/vim.eclass: line 342: make: command not found > > What do you think? > Have you checked the laptop drive? If it is faulty then re-installing is just wasting your time. I would recommend checking the drive with smartmontools before going any further. Given the problems outlined above, I would make a package for it on your desktop and do a binary install of the result on the laptop. I haven't checked the laptop drive yet. Can I make a smartmontools package for the x86 laptop on the amd64 desktop? How can I do that? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Grant wrote: > and the vi command always seg faults. Does that mean the /dev/hda3 > image is done-for and I should just start the laptop over from scratch > and import my /etc/ and /home/ directories when it's re-installed? I would try putting it all back and re-emerge everything (emerge -vaD --emptytree world). It would fix if anything bad happened to the compiled things and you could start using the things which survived sooner. I tried re-emerging vim from within the chroot and I got: /usr/portage/eclass/vim.eclass: line 342: make: command not found What do you think? Have you checked the laptop drive? If it is faulty then re-installing is just wasting your time. I would recommend checking the drive with smartmontools before going any further. Given the problems outlined above, I would make a package for it on your desktop and do a binary install of the result on the laptop. Good luck Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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> and the vi command always seg faults. Does that mean the /dev/hda3 > image is done-for and I should just start the laptop over from scratch > and import my /etc/ and /home/ directories when it's re-installed? I would try putting it all back and re-emerge everything (emerge -vaD --emptytree world). It would fix if anything bad happened to the compiled things and you could start using the things which survived sooner. I tried re-emerging vim from within the chroot and I got: /usr/portage/eclass/vim.eclass: line 342: make: command not found What do you think? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Hello, On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 10:51:48AM -0800, Grant wrote: > and the vi command always seg faults. Does that mean the /dev/hda3 > image is done-for and I should just start the laptop over from scratch > and import my /etc/ and /home/ directories when it's re-installed? I would try putting it all back and re-emerge everything (emerge -vaD --emptytree world). It would fix if anything bad happened to the compiled things and you could start using the things which survived sooner. Hope it works well for you -- Anyone seen smoking will be considered on fire and will be put out immediately. Michal 'vorner' Vaner pgpKQ6oWmT4fO.pgp Description: PGP signature
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> All of the laptop's data has now been moved to the desktop system over > the network. I still don't see how I can move the data back to the > laptop after reformatting it. Is buying the laptop hard drive adapter > the only way? Please try not to top post in this ML. Sorry about that. In another stroke of bad luck my desktop's mouse stopped working at the same time my hard drive started acting up so I've been tabbing around firefox and using Gmail's "Quick Reply" which (predictably) top-posts. The mouse is working again now. Boot your laptop using a Linux LiveCD. Mount your hard drive (e.g. mount /dev/hda /mnt/hda. Start sshd. Go to your desktop and run something like: cat archive_file.bz2 | ssh -c blowfish [EMAIL PROTECTED] "cd /mnt/hda ; tar -xjpvf archive_file.bz2" I guess my problem is getting the laptop back on the wireless-only network with a madwifi card when the LiveCD doesn't have a net.ath0 interface. I did just try chrooting into my laptop's /dev/hda3 copy on my desktop system with: chroot /home/grant/hda3 /bin/bash and the vi command always seg faults. Does that mean the /dev/hda3 image is done-for and I should just start the laptop over from scratch and import my /etc/ and /home/ directories when it's re-installed? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Saturday 27 January 2007 16:38, Grant wrote: > All of the laptop's data has now been moved to the desktop system over > the network. I still don't see how I can move the data back to the > laptop after reformatting it. Is buying the laptop hard drive adapter > the only way? Please try not to top post in this ML. Boot your laptop using a Linux LiveCD. Mount your hard drive (e.g. mount /dev/hda /mnt/hda. Start sshd. Go to your desktop and run something like: cat archive_file.bz2 | ssh -c blowfish [EMAIL PROTECTED] "cd /mnt/hda ; tar -xjpvf archive_file.bz2" WARNING: I haven't tried it out, but you could adjust/adapt it and experiment with it. -- Regards, Mick pgp6fABzGBWIL.pgp Description: PGP signature
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> I really appreciate all the advice. I have about 11 of 12 GBs copied > >from the laptop to the desktop system now via the tar|ssh method so I > guess I'll let that complete. Once it's done, how can I move the data > back over the network to the reformatted laptop? Well, tar|ssh simply done the other way round should do the trick. But Kashani has a point---if your connection is unstable, rsync has a big advantage over tar, so better just try his commandline. The thing I'm confused about is how I can get anything back to the laptop when it won't even have an OS on it. I could boot a LiveCD but I don't think I'll be able to connect to the wireless network. The laptop's card is a madwifi/ath0. When booted into the LiveCD, lspci does recognize the card but there is no net.ath0 interface. I don't have any ethernet connectivity to the Gentoo router since I don't have a crossover cable. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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All of the laptop's data has now been moved to the desktop system over the network. I still don't see how I can move the data back to the laptop after reformatting it. Is buying the laptop hard drive adapter the only way? - Grant On 1/26/07, Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I really appreciate all the advice. I have about 11 of 12 GBs copied from the laptop to the desktop system now via the tar|ssh method so I guess I'll let that complete. Once it's done, how can I move the data back over the network to the reformatted laptop? - Grant On 1/26/07, Matthias Bethke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Grant, > on Friday, 2007-01-26 at 09:47:51, you wrote: > > My laptop is currently still copying everything to my desktop system > > via tar and ssh. > > That's good. dd would be easier on the HD in case it's breaking but if you > have a filesystem > error you'd still have to fix that after copying back. If the HD is not > about to die, tar (or rsync as Neil mentioned) is much better. > > > When I ran rc this morning, I saw that ssh started so it must have > > stopped some time overnight as it usually does. The laptop was still > > running the tar | ssh command I had started the night before. Could > > the desktop be missing some of the laptop's data since the desktop > > wasn't running ssh all night, or would it "catch up" now that ssh is > > running? > > If the connection didn't break on the laptop side (ssh|tar reporting a > broken pipe), you should be fine. > > cheers! >Matthias > -- > I prefer encrypted and signed messages. KeyID: FAC37665 > Fingerprint: 8C16 3F0A A6FC DF0D 19B0 8DEF 48D9 1700 FAC3 7665 > > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
I really appreciate all the advice. I have about 11 of 12 GBs copied from the laptop to the desktop system now via the tar|ssh method so I guess I'll let that complete. Once it's done, how can I move the data back over the network to the reformatted laptop? - Grant On 1/26/07, Matthias Bethke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Grant, on Friday, 2007-01-26 at 09:47:51, you wrote: > My laptop is currently still copying everything to my desktop system > via tar and ssh. That's good. dd would be easier on the HD in case it's breaking but if you have a filesystem error you'd still have to fix that after copying back. If the HD is not about to die, tar (or rsync as Neil mentioned) is much better. > When I ran rc this morning, I saw that ssh started so it must have > stopped some time overnight as it usually does. The laptop was still > running the tar | ssh command I had started the night before. Could > the desktop be missing some of the laptop's data since the desktop > wasn't running ssh all night, or would it "catch up" now that ssh is > running? If the connection didn't break on the laptop side (ssh|tar reporting a broken pipe), you should be fine. cheers! Matthias -- I prefer encrypted and signed messages. KeyID: FAC37665 Fingerprint: 8C16 3F0A A6FC DF0D 19B0 8DEF 48D9 1700 FAC3 7665 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
Hi Grant, on Friday, 2007-01-26 at 09:47:51, you wrote: > My laptop is currently still copying everything to my desktop system > via tar and ssh. That's good. dd would be easier on the HD in case it's breaking but if you have a filesystem error you'd still have to fix that after copying back. If the HD is not about to die, tar (or rsync as Neil mentioned) is much better. > When I ran rc this morning, I saw that ssh started so it must have > stopped some time overnight as it usually does. The laptop was still > running the tar | ssh command I had started the night before. Could > the desktop be missing some of the laptop's data since the desktop > wasn't running ssh all night, or would it "catch up" now that ssh is > running? If the connection didn't break on the laptop side (ssh|tar reporting a broken pipe), you should be fine. cheers! Matthias -- I prefer encrypted and signed messages. KeyID: FAC37665 Fingerprint: 8C16 3F0A A6FC DF0D 19B0 8DEF 48D9 1700 FAC3 7665 pgpTrJ4JAcT3V.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:47:51 -0800, Grant wrote: My laptop is currently still copying everything to my desktop system via tar and ssh. I generally have to run rc on the desktop system periodically to make sure network-dependent services are still running as the desktop sometimes loses the wireless connection temporarily. When I ran rc this morning, I saw that ssh started so it must have stopped some time overnight as it usually does. The laptop was still running the tar | ssh command I had started the night before. Could the desktop be missing some of the laptop's data since the desktop wasn't running ssh all night, or would it "catch up" now that ssh is running? Use rsync to make sure the copy contains an exact copy of the laptop's files. Please use rsync. The idea of that tar ssh nonsense makes my head hurt especially if it's getting interrupted often. rsync has the ability to walk the filesystem and then only transfer the things that are missing in incomplete. I'd use some variation on this command line rsync -avz -e "ssh -c blowfish" /src [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/dst/ The Blowfish encryption requires the least CPU in my experience and that may make things faster. You can also buy a standard IDE to laptop harddrive converter cable for under $10. Plug you laptop hard drive into your desktop, start you desktop, mount the laptop drive, and rsync away between your disk. kashani -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Grant wrote: > How should I copy the data from the desktop system back to the laptop? > After the data is copied to the desktop, I'll make new filesystems on > the laptop's partitions, so how can I get the data back to the laptop? You could use netcat, as was previously suggested. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFumOXhOwpC65EoKARAnzEAJ9xi/vVfqUf7euLIETRX1ORs/GelwCgujfz C/qlrbj7BVqoBKsxjceRMqI= =K0Vs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:47:51 -0800, Grant wrote: > My laptop is currently still copying everything to my desktop system > via tar and ssh. I generally have to run rc on the desktop system > periodically to make sure network-dependent services are still running > as the desktop sometimes loses the wireless connection temporarily. > When I ran rc this morning, I saw that ssh started so it must have > stopped some time overnight as it usually does. The laptop was still > running the tar | ssh command I had started the night before. Could > the desktop be missing some of the laptop's data since the desktop > wasn't running ssh all night, or would it "catch up" now that ssh is > running? Use rsync to make sure the copy contains an exact copy of the laptop's files. -- Neil Bothwick "Be strict when sending and tolerant when receiving." RFC 1958 - Architectural Principles of the Internet - section 3.9 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
I used Ctrl+Alt+Fn to determine that the sizes of the copied directories on the desktop system do seem to correspond with their original sizes on the laptop so that's good. How should I copy the data from the desktop system back to the laptop? After the data is copied to the desktop, I'll make new filesystems on the laptop's partitions, so how can I get the data back to the laptop? - Grant On 1/26/07, Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My laptop is currently still copying everything to my desktop system via tar and ssh. I generally have to run rc on the desktop system periodically to make sure network-dependent services are still running as the desktop sometimes loses the wireless connection temporarily. When I ran rc this morning, I saw that ssh started so it must have stopped some time overnight as it usually does. The laptop was still running the tar | ssh command I had started the night before. Could the desktop be missing some of the laptop's data since the desktop wasn't running ssh all night, or would it "catch up" now that ssh is running? The laptop doesn't run sshd and X is not working so I can't make a comparison of the data on the two systems. - Grant On 1/25/07, Kent Fredric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > dd if=/dev/hda3 bs= | bzip2 | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] "cat > > > /suitable/path/to/hda3.img.bz2" > > > > Or, if you can mount the partition, you can use tar: > > > > tar -cjvf - /mount/point/ | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] "cd /some/path ; tar -xjvf -" > > > > you could also use netcat to transfer the files instead of ssh, would > probably be closer to the speen of the lan and have less CPU overhead > > Target: > nc -l -p 5999 > hda3.img > Source: > dd if=/dev/hda3 | nc 192.168.your.ip 5999 > > > if your hard drive is trashed like you say it is, you may want to use > ddrescue ( sys-fs/ddrescue ) > > And make sure for the love of sanity the drive you are copying is > _NOT_ currently mounted, at least not in write mode, or the image you > produce could be crufted. > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
My laptop is currently still copying everything to my desktop system via tar and ssh. I generally have to run rc on the desktop system periodically to make sure network-dependent services are still running as the desktop sometimes loses the wireless connection temporarily. When I ran rc this morning, I saw that ssh started so it must have stopped some time overnight as it usually does. The laptop was still running the tar | ssh command I had started the night before. Could the desktop be missing some of the laptop's data since the desktop wasn't running ssh all night, or would it "catch up" now that ssh is running? The laptop doesn't run sshd and X is not working so I can't make a comparison of the data on the two systems. - Grant On 1/25/07, Kent Fredric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > dd if=/dev/hda3 bs= | bzip2 | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] "cat > > /suitable/path/to/hda3.img.bz2" > > Or, if you can mount the partition, you can use tar: > > tar -cjvf - /mount/point/ | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] "cd /some/path ; tar -xjvf -" > you could also use netcat to transfer the files instead of ssh, would probably be closer to the speen of the lan and have less CPU overhead Target: nc -l -p 5999 > hda3.img Source: dd if=/dev/hda3 | nc 192.168.your.ip 5999 if your hard drive is trashed like you say it is, you may want to use ddrescue ( sys-fs/ddrescue ) And make sure for the love of sanity the drive you are copying is _NOT_ currently mounted, at least not in write mode, or the image you produce could be crufted. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
dd if=/dev/hda3 bs= | bzip2 | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] "cat > /suitable/path/to/hda3.img.bz2" Or, if you can mount the partition, you can use tar: tar -cjvf - /mount/point/ | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] "cd /some/path ; tar -xjvf -" you could also use netcat to transfer the files instead of ssh, would probably be closer to the speen of the lan and have less CPU overhead Target: nc -l -p 5999 > hda3.img Source: dd if=/dev/hda3 | nc 192.168.your.ip 5999 if your hard drive is trashed like you say it is, you may want to use ddrescue ( sys-fs/ddrescue ) And make sure for the love of sanity the drive you are copying is _NOT_ currently mounted, at least not in write mode, or the image you produce could be crufted. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
On Thursday 25 January 2007 19:28, Grant wrote: > Matthias, > > I just realized that I still have a network connection with the laptop > so I should be able to move its data to my desktop machine across the > network as you suggest. Can you recommend the best way to move > /dev/hda3 and /dev/hda1 across the network to the desktop for later > restoration to the laptop? The following assumes you have sshd running on the target box, and ssh available on the source box. If you want to copy whole partitions, you can use dd over ssh: dd if=/dev/hda3 bs= | bzip2 | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] "cat > /suitable/path/to/hda3.img.bz2" Or, if you can mount the partition, you can use tar: tar -cjvf - /mount/point/ | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] "cd /some/path ; tar -xjvf -" Hope this helps. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
I ran 'fsck -t ext3 /dev/hda3' and it detected and corrected a bunch of stuff. After that, /bin/bash was missing so I copied it from a LiveCD and now it's behaving exactly as it was before I ran fsck. Do you know of any way to try and bring the hard drive in its current form back to full usability? Is emerge -e world possibly worth a try? If I can't bring the drive back to life as it is now, it sounds like I should use tar, split, and cdrecord to save /home/grant/, build a new system either on the same drive or a new one, and copy in /home/grant/. Does anyone know of a way to find out if the hard drive is usable without just installing a new system on it and seeing if it works? I can't find any information on the Fujitsu site. - Grant On 1/25/07, Thomas Lingefelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Grant wrote: > Hello, I woke up this morning and turned on my laptop to find that it > no longer boots. It initially hung on starting hald, and once I > prevented hald from starting it hung on gdm, and once I prevented gdm > from starting I could log in as root but vi failed with a "Bus error". > I booted a LiveCD, mounted /dev/hda3, and chrooted, but running > env-update then caused all kinds of drive errors. > > I'd like to save the hard drive so I don't have to buy a new one and > build a new system on it, but if that's not possible I'd definitely > like to save my personal data from the drive. I'm busy/stupid enough > to have made no backups and all of my photos etc. are on the drive. > > I successfully wrote an iso of some important files after booting up > normally (minus hald, X, and vi) so that's good. Is there a utility I > can run on the disk to see if there is permanent damage? Should I try > re-emerging packages that are having trouble or should I try to emerge > -e world? > > I suppose I should see if I can write and burn iso's of everything in > /home/grant/ right away. Is there a good way to get a bunch of data > into multiple iso's that are each no larger than 650MB? Also, I've > read man mkisofs and experimented before with trying to preserve > filenames perfectly but it never comes out quite right. Can anyone > recommend mkisofs options for preserving filenames perfectly? > > Thanks for your time. > > - Grant This _may_ help... http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page but I've never used it in this case. I would defiantly try to put the HDD in another computer and make an image of it with ddrescue. Other than that I would say to make a tarball of your home dir and use split to break it down into CD size pieces if you can. That would take care of the file name preservation. Plus you could use gzip to compress. This is of course if you have room to work with the files. If you could hook a removable HDD to the laptop that would be spiffy. Checking the disk for problems? I would use the manufactures proprietary utilities for that. Something you can put on a bootable CD or floppy. Thomas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFuOdIUej1z0ta0fkRCCYuAJ96Faf8h2LSZ6icqB9JBm6IKyZ3QwCfUceR t4ml8r+okhEfW0TD4uq9mQ0= =7VZt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
Hi Grant, on Thursday, 2007-01-25 at 08:20:37, you wrote: > I successfully wrote an iso of some important files after booting up > normally (minus hald, X, and vi) so that's good. Is there a utility I > can run on the disk to see if there is permanent damage? Should I try > re-emerging packages that are having trouble or should I try to emerge > -e world? As Thomas said, use the manufacturer's tools. Maybe smartmontools if you don't have anything more specialized. > I suppose I should see if I can write and burn iso's of everything in > /home/grant/ right away. Is there a good way to get a bunch of data > into multiple iso's that are each no larger than 650MB? Also, I've > read man mkisofs and experimented before with trying to preserve > filenames perfectly but it never comes out quite right. Can anyone > recommend mkisofs options for preserving filenames perfectly? I'd recommend trying it over a network or USB/IEEE1394 to another disk if at all possible. If the HD is dying anyway, writing ISOs to it while reading many files from another region of the disk at the same time will kill it very quickly. Same thing with a damaged file system: the more you write, the greater the damage. I'd try to connect an external HD or export a partition on some machine on the net, mount the partition read-only and back it up using tar. Then it's at least reformat/restore if not swap HD/format/restore. good luck! Matthias -- I prefer encrypted and signed messages. KeyID: FAC37665 Fingerprint: 8C16 3F0A A6FC DF0D 19B0 8DEF 48D9 1700 FAC3 7665 pgpnMX5166Ika.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard Drive Crash - Please Help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Grant wrote: > Hello, I woke up this morning and turned on my laptop to find that it > no longer boots. It initially hung on starting hald, and once I > prevented hald from starting it hung on gdm, and once I prevented gdm > from starting I could log in as root but vi failed with a "Bus error". > I booted a LiveCD, mounted /dev/hda3, and chrooted, but running > env-update then caused all kinds of drive errors. > > I'd like to save the hard drive so I don't have to buy a new one and > build a new system on it, but if that's not possible I'd definitely > like to save my personal data from the drive. I'm busy/stupid enough > to have made no backups and all of my photos etc. are on the drive. > > I successfully wrote an iso of some important files after booting up > normally (minus hald, X, and vi) so that's good. Is there a utility I > can run on the disk to see if there is permanent damage? Should I try > re-emerging packages that are having trouble or should I try to emerge > -e world? > > I suppose I should see if I can write and burn iso's of everything in > /home/grant/ right away. Is there a good way to get a bunch of data > into multiple iso's that are each no larger than 650MB? Also, I've > read man mkisofs and experimented before with trying to preserve > filenames perfectly but it never comes out quite right. Can anyone > recommend mkisofs options for preserving filenames perfectly? > > Thanks for your time. > > - Grant This _may_ help... http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page but I've never used it in this case. I would defiantly try to put the HDD in another computer and make an image of it with ddrescue. Other than that I would say to make a tarball of your home dir and use split to break it down into CD size pieces if you can. That would take care of the file name preservation. Plus you could use gzip to compress. This is of course if you have room to work with the files. If you could hook a removable HDD to the laptop that would be spiffy. Checking the disk for problems? I would use the manufactures proprietary utilities for that. Something you can put on a bootable CD or floppy. Thomas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFuOdIUej1z0ta0fkRCCYuAJ96Faf8h2LSZ6icqB9JBm6IKyZ3QwCfUceR t4ml8r+okhEfW0TD4uq9mQ0= =7VZt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
