Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding up GIMP
On 03/02/2011 03:43 AM, Carol Spears wrote: On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 03:02:30AM -0800, Carol Spears wrote: On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 09:30:30AM +0200, Jeremy Nell wrote: What ways or tips will help speed up GIMP and maximise performance? Obviously, loads of RAM is a start, I guess. And a decent graphics card (for rendering), yes? What other tips or tricks does anyone have? brush outline can slow painting down even on fast computers. gimp-1.2 on my 486 painted much much faster than gimp-2.4 - gimp-2.6 on this dual processor giga-something ram thing. brush outlines are the culprit there. i was going to append this to tell how to turn off the brush outlines but instead, i am going to ask you to do something. can you tell me how long it takes you to determine how to turn off the brush outlines? it will be interesting to see what the gui experts man hours has gotten for us. Yay! I found it! I kept looking for it everywhere that had something to do with brushes. It's under Image Windows! How unintuitive. It's took me about 5 minutes after already knowing it existed. I don't normally use large brushes being more of a painterly guy, (I often use a 3 or 5 or 7 pixel brush), so I haven't run into this slowdown. Patrick ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding up GIMP
On 03/02/2011 09:07 AM, Stefan Maerz wrote: My computer doesn't have a problem with it unless I'm going very fast and have the spacing at its lowest. I don't know, but I don't use brushes that fast. And if I did, it would be hard to control the brush (quickly responding or not). That's just because you don't do gestural drawing with large brushes (or perhaps at all). Others do, and it's a valid use case. Patrick ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding up GIMP
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 08:30, Jeremy Nell jeremyn...@gmail.com wrote: Obviously, loads of RAM is a start, I guess. Yes, loads of RAM is a good start. And a decent graphics card (for rendering), yes? No, graphics card aren't that important. Every normal modern card should do. What other tips or tricks does anyone have? A fast CPU is important and for loading, savings of images and startup a fast hard disk. perhaps even a SSD. Regards, Tobias ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding up GIMP
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 03:02:30AM -0800, Carol Spears wrote: On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 09:30:30AM +0200, Jeremy Nell wrote: What ways or tips will help speed up GIMP and maximise performance? Obviously, loads of RAM is a start, I guess. And a decent graphics card (for rendering), yes? What other tips or tricks does anyone have? brush outline can slow painting down even on fast computers. gimp-1.2 on my 486 painted much much faster than gimp-2.4 - gimp-2.6 on this dual processor giga-something ram thing. brush outlines are the culprit there. i was going to append this to tell how to turn off the brush outlines but instead, i am going to ask you to do something. can you tell me how long it takes you to determine how to turn off the brush outlines? it will be interesting to see what the gui experts man hours has gotten for us. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding up GIMP
If the generated brush outline is too complex, turning it off for that brush only, or somehow simplify more complex brush outlines would be a better solution than disabling it altogether in the program settings. I have created deliberately a brush, which outline slows down Gimp when drawing. Is it OK to attach it (below 100 Kbytes)? 2011/3/2 Carol Spears ca...@gimp.org On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 03:02:30AM -0800, Carol Spears wrote: On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 09:30:30AM +0200, Jeremy Nell wrote: What ways or tips will help speed up GIMP and maximise performance? Obviously, loads of RAM is a start, I guess. And a decent graphics card (for rendering), yes? What other tips or tricks does anyone have? brush outline can slow painting down even on fast computers. gimp-1.2 on my 486 painted much much faster than gimp-2.4 - gimp-2.6 on this dual processor giga-something ram thing. brush outlines are the culprit there. i was going to append this to tell how to turn off the brush outlines but instead, i am going to ask you to do something. can you tell me how long it takes you to determine how to turn off the brush outlines? it will be interesting to see what the gui experts man hours has gotten for us. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding up GIMP
I didn't even know you could turn off brush outlines. I took it as a mini-challenge to see if I could work it out. BTW, to create some context for my experience I have been using GIMP since 2003, and designing / architecting web sites since 1994. Here's what I found :) - I first went to the *brushes dialog* and looked all the options (refresh, delete, duplicate, etc). No luck there... - I tried right clicking on the *brushes tab* and all I got was a list of the other docked tabs (Brushes, patterns, Gradients, Fonts, etc). No luck there... - I then went to the *tools menu* and scanned through the options listed there. Nothing. - Then I went to the *Preferences dialog box* from the Edit menu. Scanning through the sections listed on the left, I first tried tool options, Nothing. - Then I went to *Google *and typed in *turn off gimp brush outlines*. The second result was the one I chose, a link to chapter 11 of the GIMP manual, *Pimp my GIMP*. After doing a text search on the page for *brush out*, I scrolled up to see what section of Gimp was being referred to and found that you can turn off brush outlines in the *Image Windows *section of the *Edit / Preferences *menu. If you look under *Mouse Pointers*, you will see an option allowing you to do this... Not the most intuitive approach, but I did learn something new about the GIMP, though :) Thanks On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 14:01, Szabolcs Hideg negi...@gmail.com wrote: If the generated brush outline is too complex, turning it off for that brush only, or somehow simplify more complex brush outlines would be a better solution than disabling it altogether in the program settings. I have created deliberately a brush, which outline slows down Gimp when drawing. Is it OK to attach it (below 100 Kbytes)? 2011/3/2 Carol Spears ca...@gimp.org On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 03:02:30AM -0800, Carol Spears wrote: On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 09:30:30AM +0200, Jeremy Nell wrote: What ways or tips will help speed up GIMP and maximise performance? Obviously, loads of RAM is a start, I guess. And a decent graphics card (for rendering), yes? What other tips or tricks does anyone have? brush outline can slow painting down even on fast computers. gimp-1.2 on my 486 painted much much faster than gimp-2.4 - gimp-2.6 on this dual processor giga-something ram thing. brush outlines are the culprit there. i was going to append this to tell how to turn off the brush outlines but instead, i am going to ask you to do something. can you tell me how long it takes you to determine how to turn off the brush outlines? it will be interesting to see what the gui experts man hours has gotten for us. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding up GIMP
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 02:51:08PM +0200, M@thew Green wrote: I didn't even know you could turn off brush outlines. I took it as a mini-challenge to see if I could work it out. BTW, to create some context for my experience I have been using GIMP since 2003, and designing / architecting web sites since 1994. Here's what I found :) - I first went to the *brushes dialog* and looked all the options (refresh, delete, duplicate, etc). No luck there... - I tried right clicking on the *brushes tab* and all I got was a list of the other docked tabs (Brushes, patterns, Gradients, Fonts, etc). No luck there... - I then went to the *tools menu* and scanned through the options listed there. Nothing. - Then I went to the *Preferences dialog box* from the Edit menu. Scanning through the sections listed on the left, I first tried tool options, Nothing. - Then I went to *Google *and typed in *turn off gimp brush outlines*. The second result was the one I chose, a link to chapter 11 of the GIMP manual, *Pimp my GIMP*. After doing a text search on the page for *brush out*, I scrolled up to see what section of Gimp was being referred to and found that you can turn off brush outlines in the *Image Windows *section of the *Edit / Preferences *menu. If you look under *Mouse Pointers*, you will see an option allowing you to do this... Not the most intuitive approach, but I did learn something new about the GIMP, though :) i have personally lost touch with the meaning of the word intuitive so intuitive approach is even less without meaning. i suspect that the approach was the intuition and the gui is not so intuitive. familiarity comes by use. gimp-1.2 on a dual processor is impressive, btw. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding up GIMP
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 01:01:33PM +0100, Szabolcs Hideg wrote: If the generated brush outline is too complex, turning it off for that brush only, or somehow simplify more complex brush outlines would be a better solution than disabling it altogether in the program settings. I have created deliberately a brush, which outline slows down Gimp when drawing. Is it OK to attach it (below 100 Kbytes)? this list has historically not been a place where resources are transfered. the gimp-2.7 that i am using (it calls itself the master branch) brings with it some brushes whose size and complexity clearly slow painting down, so making a brush to show this has actually already been accomplished. thank you anyways, carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding up GIMP
Let's not argue semantics here - you know what I mean :) There should be a degree of the obvious when interacting with an interface. In other words, it should, as far as possible, be obvious as what to click on, in order to facilitate some action. This is far from the case here. Granted, there is only one truly intuitive interface - the nipple. Everything else is a mimicry. On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 15:11, Carol Spears ca...@gimp.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 02:51:08PM +0200, M@thew Green wrote: I didn't even know you could turn off brush outlines. I took it as a mini-challenge to see if I could work it out. BTW, to create some context for my experience I have been using GIMP since 2003, and designing / architecting web sites since 1994. Here's what I found :) - I first went to the *brushes dialog* and looked all the options (refresh, delete, duplicate, etc). No luck there... - I tried right clicking on the *brushes tab* and all I got was a list of the other docked tabs (Brushes, patterns, Gradients, Fonts, etc). No luck there... - I then went to the *tools menu* and scanned through the options listed there. Nothing. - Then I went to the *Preferences dialog box* from the Edit menu. Scanning through the sections listed on the left, I first tried tool options, Nothing. - Then I went to *Google *and typed in *turn off gimp brush outlines*. The second result was the one I chose, a link to chapter 11 of the GIMP manual, *Pimp my GIMP*. After doing a text search on the page for *brush out*, I scrolled up to see what section of Gimp was being referred to and found that you can turn off brush outlines in the *Image Windows *section of the *Edit / Preferences *menu. If you look under *Mouse Pointers*, you will see an option allowing you to do this... Not the most intuitive approach, but I did learn something new about the GIMP, though :) i have personally lost touch with the meaning of the word intuitive so intuitive approach is even less without meaning. i suspect that the approach was the intuition and the gui is not so intuitive. familiarity comes by use. gimp-1.2 on a dual processor is impressive, btw. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding up GIMP
I've tested working with outlines both on and off, and there really isn't much of a difference (other than not knowing my brush size), and I'm using an i7 quad core. GIMP is great and I'm getting used to it (after moving from Windows to Ubuntu and adopting GIMP instead of Photoshop), and it has some functions that Photoshop should get, but - sadly - Photoshop wins in the category of real-time rendering speeds. With 600MB of RAM allocated to Photoshop, I was able to have faster real-time rendering than with GIMP (with 3GB of RAM allocated to it). Simple comparison: An A4 page, 300DPI, open in both applications. Grab a paint brush and and increase its size considerably. Paint across the canvas and watch how much GIMP lags; the rendering of the strokes trails the brush, while in Photoshop, it's almost immediate. This means that system resources play a role, but so does the actual rendering engine inside GIMP. For web design, you don't notice this, but for DTP, you certainly do. Apparently, though, this won't change for another few releases. :( On 02/03/2011 15:11, Carol Spears wrote: On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 02:51:08PM +0200, M@thew Green wrote: I didn't even know you could turn off brush outlines. I took it as a mini-challenge to see if I could work it out. BTW, to create some context for my experience I have been using GIMP since 2003, and designing / "architecting" web sites since 1994. Here's what I found :) - I first went to the *brushes dialog* and looked all the options (refresh, delete, duplicate, etc). No luck there... - I tried right clicking on the *brushes tab* and all I got was a list of the other docked tabs (Brushes, patterns, Gradients, Fonts, etc). No luck there... - I then went to the *tools menu* and scanned through the options listed there. Nothing. - Then I went to the *Preferences dialog box* from the Edit menu. Scanning through the sections listed on the left, I first tried tool options, Nothing. - Then I went to *Google *and typed in "*turn off gimp brush outlines*". The second result was the one I chose, a link to chapter 11 of the GIMP manual, *Pimp my GIMP*. After doing a text search on the page for *brush out*, I scrolled up to see what section of Gimp was being referred to and found that you can turn off brush outlines in the *Image Windows *section of the *Edit / Preferences *menu. If you look under *Mouse Pointers*, you will see an option allowing you to do this... Not the most intuitive approach, but I did learn something new about the GIMP, though :) i have personally lost touch with the meaning of the word intuitive so "intuitive approach" is even less without meaning. i suspect that the approach was the intuition and the gui is not so intuitive. familiarity comes by use. gimp-1.2 on a dual processor is impressive, btw. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding up GIMP
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 03:23:51PM +0200, Jeremy Nell wrote: Simple comparison: An A4 page, 300DPI, open in both applications.nbsp; Grab a paint brush and and increase its size considerably.nbsp; Paint across the canvas and watch how much GIMP lags; the rendering of the strokes trails the brush, while in Photoshop, it's almost immediate.br br This means that system resources play a role, but so does the actual rendering engine inside GIMP.nbsp; For web design, you don't notice this, but for DTP, you certainly do.br br Apparently, though, this won't change for another few releases.nbsp; do you run Photoshop on Windows or on Ubuntu? carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding up GIMP
I run Photoshop on Windows (my old PC) and GIMP on Ubuntu (my new PC). Photoshop is slower, in general, but its real-time rendering (on an old P4 with minimal RAM) is still faster than GIMP's real-time rendering on an i7 quad core when doing identical painting on an A4 canvas at 300DPI. This speed problem is, for me, the single most frustrating aspect about GIMP. (I can live with its inferior text tools, but real-time rendering should be beefed up.) On 02/03/2011 16:49, Carol Spears wrote: On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 03:23:51PM +0200, Jeremy Nell wrote: Simple comparison: An A4 page, 300DPI, open in both applications.nbsp; Grab a paint brush and and increase its size considerably.nbsp; Paint across the canvas and watch how much GIMP lags; the rendering of the strokes trails the brush, while in Photoshop, it's almost immediate.br br This means that system resources play a role, but so does the actual rendering engine inside GIMP.nbsp; For web design, you don't notice this, but for DTP, you certainly do.br br Apparently, though, this won't change for another few releases.nbsp; do you run Photoshop on Windows or on Ubuntu? carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding up GIMP
On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 03:19:01PM +0200, M@thew Green wrote: Let's not argue semantics here - you know what I mean :) There should be a degree of the obvious when interacting with an interface. In other words, it should, as far as possible, be obvious as what to click on, in order to facilitate some action. This is far from the case here. when mac users started to have an input on things, the order of the buttons changed. [OK][NO] -- the ones that always get used (whatever they are now). it took a very long time for me to change. now, i have gimp-1.2 again and changing back is no big deal. i don't think that there is such a thing as intuition, it is what you are used to or it is not what you are used to. it is mostly interesting how so many years of gui research and not much came out of it. not really. it should be interesting to see how long the linux corps support this, redhat, fedora, ubuntu and debian. it seems that only the threat of Apple being sold to Micro$oft makes the linux voting blocks respond. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding up GIMP
This speed problem is, for me, the single most frustrating aspect about GIMP. (I can live with its inferior text tools, but real-time rendering should be beefed up.) As usual, easier said than done. Simple comparison: An A4 page, 300DPI, open in both applications. Grab a paint brush and and increase its size considerably. Paint across the canvas and watch how much GIMP lags; the rendering of the strokes trails the brush, while in Photoshop, it's almost immediate. My computer doesn't have a problem with it unless I'm going very fast and have the spacing at its lowest. I don't know, but I don't use brushes that fast. And if I did, it would be hard to control the brush (quickly responding or not). -Stefan Maerz ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding up GIMP
Not very fast at all. Use a brush with a soft edge (hardness set quite low) and colour in parts of an A4 canvas. Standard colouring in motion (using a stylus), which GIMP handles poorly. On 02/03/2011 19:07, Stefan Maerz wrote: This speed problem is, for me, the single most frustrating aspect about GIMP. (I can live with its inferior text tools, but real-time rendering should be beefed up.) As usual, easier said than done. Simple comparison: An A4 page, 300DPI, open in both applications. Grab a paint brush and and increase its size considerably. Paint across the canvas and watch how much GIMP lags; the rendering of the strokes trails the brush, while in Photoshop, it's almost immediate. My computer doesn't have a problem with it unless I'm going very fast and have the spacing at its lowest. I don't know, but I don't use brushes that fast. And if I did, it would be hard to control the brush (quickly responding or not). -Stefan Maerz ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Speeding Up Gimp on WinXP Computer
Hi, Gene Heskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday 23 January 2004 14:29, Marc Dver wrote: Can someone recommend ways of speeding up Gimp on a WinXP Pro machine? I'm using GTK+ 2.0 and the stable version of Gimp (the development version won't install on my machine because it has a AMD K6-2 450 processor). When I use the bucket tool, it takes a fw minutes before it fills, during which it freezes. It never crashes, but takes a while to perform the operation. That sounds like you are out of memory and using the swap to me. I've had it occur here with half a gig of ram. How much ram to you have? A very important question that should always be looked at when it comes to memory is: What is your setting for the tile-cache size?. If you don't choose a reasonable value here, GIMP cannot make optimal use of the available memory. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
