Re: portable music players

2008-10-14 Thread Jesse Lazar
I ended up purchasing the sansa clip (2gb). I'm real happy with it, though I
am still in the process of setting it  my computer up.  Part of the reason
I like it so much is because I have not had any digital music player before
and for $50 this makes stacking wood out back a whole lot more fun.

When I was researching what I wanted I was seriously considering something
that I could load rockbox onto, but when I looked at the rockbox site it
looked to me like it is not possible to get a new player that will work. At
best you could but the sansa e200 and take a gamble on the firmware version?
Moot point now...

Over the weekend I was only able to add songs to it in such a way that I the
artist and album tags are lost (so I just loaded albums that would have been
on one playlist) and it worked fine.  Last night I upgraded the firmware,
and I have found that I can load albums in .ogg format with the artist and
 album tags preserved.  What I need to do for this to work is set the player
to MSC mode.  I think I will now find I can use playlists.

One problem that I am having is that I can only see the player if I plug it
in before I boot.  I do not have this problem with my flash memory drive.
Could anyone give me some tips on figuring this out?

The thing is it will only recognize the player if is there when the machine
boots.  It will recognize the player in either MTP or MSC mode. If I unmount
the drive and plug it back in, or if I plug the player in after I boor it
will not be recognized.  How do you manually boot a usb device???

I use Ubuntu hardy 8.04.


Thanks

Jesse Lazar
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Re: portable music players

2008-10-11 Thread Mark E. Mallett
BTW last week's FLOSS Weekly was about Rockbox.  I listened to it
with rockbox of course..

  http://twit.tv/floss43

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Re: portable music players

2008-10-06 Thread Ted Roche
Ben Scott wrote:

 
   YMMV.
 
   Haven't gotten around to trying Rockbox on my iPod yet, but it does
 seem really cool.
 

Yes, I hope to buy a player on their supported list. Coincidentally,
Paul Louden of Rockbox is interviewed on this week's FLOSS podcast on
twit.tv. That might provide a bit of additional background, perhaps a
little push to get you or others to try it:

http://twit.tv/floss43

Strangely, their podcast is only available in MP3 format...

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Re: portable music players

2008-10-06 Thread Travis Roy
 Yes, I hope to buy a player on their supported list. Coincidentally,
 Paul Louden of Rockbox is interviewed on this week's FLOSS podcast on
 twit.tv. That might provide a bit of additional background, perhaps a
 little push to get you or others to try it:

 http://twit.tv/floss43

 Strangely, their podcast is only available in MP3 format...

Why do you say that's strange? Out of the 20 or so podcasts I listen
to, only one is not sent in mp3 format, and that's sent in some apple
format so that you get chapter ticks on your iPod when listening to it
(it also changes the coverart for each section). That podcast
(Quackcast) does offer MP3, but you have to go manually download it.

Fact is, for better or worse, mp3s can be played by basically
anything. If you want the widest audience the default is going to be
mp3.
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Re: portable music players

2008-10-06 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 09:24 -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
 On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Travis Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Strangely, their podcast is only available in MP3 format...
 
  Why do you say that's strange?
 
   only

In other words, lots of truly floss podcasts also come in an ogg
flavor, because of mp3 being patent-encumbered and whatnot.


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Re: portable music players

2008-10-06 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Travis Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Strangely, their podcast is only available in MP3 format...

 Why do you say that's strange?

  only

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Re: portable music players

2008-10-06 Thread Travis Roy
That's for streaming, not for podcasts.

It is cool that they offer it in a bunch of different formats.

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:30 PM, John Abreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 WBUR.org has theirs in a bunch of formats including vorbis:

http://www.wbur.org/listen/feed/ogg.m3u



 On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Travis Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, I hope to buy a player on their supported list. Coincidentally,
 Paul Louden of Rockbox is interviewed on this week's FLOSS podcast on
 twit.tv. That might provide a bit of additional background, perhaps a
 little push to get you or others to try it:

 http://twit.tv/floss43

 Strangely, their podcast is only available in MP3 format...

 Why do you say that's strange? Out of the 20 or so podcasts I listen
 to, only one is not sent in mp3 format, and that's sent in some apple
 format so that you get chapter ticks on your iPod when listening to it
 (it also changes the coverart for each section). That podcast
 (Quackcast) does offer MP3, but you have to go manually download it.

 Fact is, for better or worse, mp3s can be played by basically
 anything. If you want the widest audience the default is going to be
 mp3.
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Re: portable music players

2008-10-05 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Jesse Lazar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What are others using?

  Rob Anderson -- the fearless leader of the SLUG (Durham) sub-group
-- has a couple of Sansa devices running the Rockbox third-party
firmware, and claims to be quite happy with them.  He put on a demo a
while back.  More features than an iPod (e.g., FM tuner, volume
leveling), in a smaller package, for less money.  The UI wasn't quite
as smooth as Apple's, but it did quite a bit more, so that might be
unavoidable.

  YMMV.

  Haven't gotten around to trying Rockbox on my iPod yet, but it does
seem really cool.

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portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Jesse Lazar
Hey,

Is ipod the way to go for portable music player within Linux. My
understanding is that it can be done easily, however I am curious as to what
others use...

Yes, I am shopping for a portable player and have never owned one!

Also, I am strictly interested in playing music, not so much videos or
whatever else it is they do...

I run Ubuntu and the default player is rhythmbox. By default this creates
ogg files when I import a cd into my collection. I am sure that I could
either install another player (or maybe configure this to create mpg files).
I would try to stick with the ogg as my understanding is that it is FOSS.

I am aware that other companies manufacture these players and my
understanding is that some can play ogg files...

What are others using?

Are you happy with it, what are the shortcomings?


Thanks
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Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Brian Chabot


Jesse Lazar wrote:
 Hey,
  
 Is ipod the way to go for portable music player within Linux. My 
 understanding is that it can be done easily, however I am curious as to 
 what others use...

Speaking from a Mandriva perspective... (YMMV in other distros)

Syncing an iPod in Mandriva 2008.1 is not plug-and-play, but isn't too 
difficult.  RTFM and follow the directions and you'll be fine.

Moving files back and forth IS trivial and Plug-and-Play if you use 
Amarok as your Linux side music player.

For true simplicity, I like RCA's line of inexpensive mp3 players.  They 
connect as simple USB drives and require no drivers in any OS.  Sync is 
by your preferred method of file moving/copying/etc.  I got one from 
Walmart a few years ago with an SD card slot and more recently for a 
(now amicably ex-)girlfriend.  Both require no drivers.

Good luck and let us know what you end up doing.


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Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Travis Roy
You could get an iPod and install RockBox on it.

http://www.rockbox.org/

I played with it a few years ago and was actually impressed. I thought
it was going to be a bit hackish but it wasn't.

I did go back to the normal Apple firmware because I use iTunes and
have purchased music that I can't play otherwise. Well, my wife bought
music that I like.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Jesse Lazar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey,

 Is ipod the way to go for portable music player within Linux. My
 understanding is that it can be done easily, however I am curious as to what
 others use...

 Yes, I am shopping for a portable player and have never owned one!

 Also, I am strictly interested in playing music, not so much videos or
 whatever else it is they do...

 I run Ubuntu and the default player is rhythmbox. By default this creates
 ogg files when I import a cd into my collection. I am sure that I could
 either install another player (or maybe configure this to create mpg files).
 I would try to stick with the ogg as my understanding is that it is FOSS.

 I am aware that other companies manufacture these players and my
 understanding is that some can play ogg files...

 What are others using?

 Are you happy with it, what are the shortcomings?


 Thanks

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Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Šarūnas
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Jesse Lazar wrote:
 Hey,
  
 Is ipod the way to go for portable music player within Linux. My
 understanding is that it can be done easily, however I am curious as to
 what others use...
  
 Yes, I am shopping for a portable player and have never owned one!
  
 Also, I am strictly interested in playing music, not so much videos or
 whatever else it is they do...
  
 I run Ubuntu and the default player is rhythmbox. By default this
 creates ogg files when I import a cd into my collection. I am sure that
 I could either install another player (or maybe configure this to create
 mpg files). I would try to stick with the ogg as my understanding is
 that it is FOSS.
  
 I am aware that other companies manufacture these players and my
 understanding is that some can play ogg files...
  
 What are others using?
  
Meizu M3 Music Card. Plays OGG, FLAC and a variety of other audio
formats. Appears as USB storage, where audio files can be simply
copied to.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/02/meizus-m3-music-card-unboxed

Šarūnas


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Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Travis Roy
 Meizu M3 Music Card. Plays OGG, FLAC and a variety of other audio
 formats. Appears as USB storage, where audio files can be simply
 copied to.

 http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/02/meizus-m3-music-card-unboxed

Have you used one of these? A former coworker got an iPod knockoff.
It looked great, had some great features and seemed solid.

Until after about a month. The headphone jack broke. He managed to
open it up to take a look since it was useless anyway. The inside was
substandard. Bad solder joints, crappy plastic. That's what ended up
being the problem. The headphone jack wiggled lose on the inside and
basically snapped off the board.

I'd be careful. I like looking for deals to, but with something that
gets banged up like portable music players do, it might be worth it to
go name brand, or at least that's been around long enough to have a
bunch of people use it.
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Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Thomas Charron
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Travis Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You could get an iPod and install RockBox on it.
 http://www.rockbox.org/
 I played with it a few years ago and was actually impressed. I thought
 it was going to be a bit hackish but it wasn't.

  Warning on that.  The new iPods now have encrypted firmwares, and
CANNOT run Linux anymore.  So if you want to try it out, make sure to
check the model to ensure it's supported.

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Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Stephen Ryan
On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 11:04 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote:
 On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Travis Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You could get an iPod and install RockBox on it.
  http://www.rockbox.org/
  I played with it a few years ago and was actually impressed. I thought
  it was going to be a bit hackish but it wasn't.
 
   Warning on that.  The new iPods now have encrypted firmwares, and
 CANNOT run Linux anymore.  So if you want to try it out, make sure to
 check the model to ensure it's supported.
 

There are other models from other companies that do work with a version
of Rockbox. Sandisk actually requested a port to the Sansa e200 series,
and donated player(s?) to the Rockbox team for it.  I'd report on how
well it works, but my Sansa e260 is currently a nice-looking
paperweight, thanks to the efforts of my cat (he dropped it in his water
bowl one night) :-(

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Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Šarūnas
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Travis Roy wrote:
 Meizu M3 Music Card. Plays OGG, FLAC and a variety of other audio
 formats. Appears as USB storage, where audio files can be simply
 copied to.

 http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/02/meizus-m3-music-card-unboxed
 
 Have you used one of these? A former coworker got an iPod knockoff.
 It looked great, had some great features and seemed solid.
I own M3 8GB for 1.5--2 years by now I think. Don't use too often
though, only while on a bus/plane.

 Until after about a month. The headphone jack broke. He managed to
 open it up to take a look since it was useless anyway. The inside was
 substandard. Bad solder joints, crappy plastic. That's what ended up
 being the problem. The headphone jack wiggled lose on the inside and
 basically snapped off the board.
Nothing has broken/gone bad so far. Didn't have a chance to take a look
inside :) Exterior quality is inferior to that of an iPod, IMO.

 I'd be careful. I like looking for deals to, but with something that
 gets banged up like portable music players do, it might be worth it to
 go name brand, or at least that's been around long enough to have a
 bunch of people use it.
I have skimmed through http://www.meizume.com forums before buying and
wasn't scared away. Plays OGG, mounts via USB, no management software
required, small, laconic design --- those were the criteria in my case.

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Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Šarūnas
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Šarūnas wrote:
 Travis Roy wrote:
 Meizu M3 Music Card. Plays OGG, FLAC and a variety of other audio
 formats. Appears as USB storage, where audio files can be simply
 copied to.

 http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/02/meizus-m3-music-card-unboxed
 Have you used one of these? A former coworker got an iPod knockoff.
 It looked great, had some great features and seemed solid.
 I own M3 8GB for 1.5--2 years by now I think. Don't use too often
 though, only while on a bus/plane.
 
 Until after about a month. The headphone jack broke. He managed to
 open it up to take a look since it was useless anyway. The inside was
 substandard. Bad solder joints, crappy plastic. That's what ended up
 being the problem. The headphone jack wiggled lose on the inside and
 basically snapped off the board.
 Nothing has broken/gone bad so far. Didn't have a chance to take a look
 inside :) Exterior quality is inferior to that of an iPod, IMO.
I meant to say isn't inferior.

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Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Tom Buskey
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Jesse Lazar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey,

 Is ipod the way to go for portable music player within Linux. My
 understanding is that it can be done easily, however I am curious as to what
 others use...

 Yes, I am shopping for a portable player and have never owned one!

 Also, I am strictly interested in playing music, not so much videos or
 whatever else it is they do...

 I run Ubuntu and the default player is rhythmbox. By default this creates
 ogg files when I import a cd into my collection. I am sure that I could
 either install another player (or maybe configure this to create mpg files).
 I would try to stick with the ogg as my understanding is that it is FOSS.

 I am aware that other companies manufacture these players and my
 understanding is that some can play ogg files...



The 1st thing is to figure out what you need and then find the player that
matches that.


 What are others using?

 Are you happy with it, what are the shortcomings?



I wanted an MP3 player that could hold all my music (40+ GB) that would sync
with Linux.
I put all my music in MP3 so I could play on anything.  I had an older MP3
player that used CF cards.

I ended up going with an iPod 80GB 5.5th generation.  There are fewer
choices when you get to 40 GB.  An iPod 80 GB had growing room and ended up
a bit cheaper then other brands.  Plus *everyone* makes iPod accessories.

I tried rhythmbox but now I use Amarok on Ubuntu.


Your Mileage Will Vary from mine, I'm sure.
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Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Heidi A. Strohl
I have an iPod nano, and I can't believe I fell for the iPod schtick again.
In retrospect, I should have known: my fiancee has bought me a new iPod
every year for the past four years. I have never had an Apple device that
lasted more than 1 year before malfunctioning. My nano has set a new record
by failing to allow me to access playlists, now 8 months in. Since the iPod
won't let you just drag and drop music, I use Floola, which works great (at
least for the first year); I found that Rhythmbox and Banshee worked fine at
first but didn't prove compatible with all features.

The kicker is, I bought my fiancee a version 1 Sandisk Sansa (version 2 only
supports Microsoft formats) for Xmas last year. He immediately installed
Rockbox; it works flawlessly and we expect it will continue to. He can just
drag and drop, since like many other mp3 players it appears as a USB drive.

As far as design and styling go, I find that the iPod user interface is
slightly more intuitive and that my iPod was significantly thinner and
somewhat sleeker. That is where the advantages end. The Sansa was slightly
less expensive and, obviously, has proven a better value. Further, he can
add memory to his Sansa by purchasing an inexpensive MSD card; my iPod is
stuck at 4 GB, of which I can only use a portion without causing
malfunction. Sadly, I think we'll have to wait for Christmastime before
Sandisk comes out with a new model which might support non-Microsoft
formats.

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Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Mark E. Mallett
On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 11:15:16AM -0400, Stephen Ryan wrote:
 
 There are other models from other companies that do work with a version
 of Rockbox. Sandisk actually requested a port to the Sansa e200 series,
 and donated player(s?) to the Rockbox team for it.  I'd report on how
 well it works, but my Sansa e260 is currently a nice-looking
 paperweight, thanks to the efforts of my cat (he dropped it in his water
 bowl one night) :-(

I'm a reasonably happy e260/rockbox user.  The stickiest drawback is
that you have to boot into the original firmware to use the USB
interface.  Rockbox will even generate a scroblog file that you can
use to update track info to last.fm - a friend wrote a qd python
script which I use for that.  (me on last.fm: www.last.fm/user/revmem).  

Things like this are also nice grandfather devices.  By which I mean
I can carry images around on it instead of (or in addition to) having
wallet photos :)  And I can put podcasts on it to listen to during
the down-time while babysitting.

Ever in geezer mode,
mm
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Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Travis Roy
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 13:32 -0400, Heidi A. Strohl wrote:
 I have an iPod nano, and I can't believe I fell for the iPod schtick
 again. In retrospect, I should have known: my fiancee has bought me a
 new iPod every year for the past four years. I have never had an Apple
 device that lasted more than 1 year before malfunctioning.

 In contrast, I've got two iPods, one four and a half years old (3rd-gen,
 greyscale, click-wheel), one three years old (first video model), and
 both continue to work flawlessly. As does my wife's three year old nano.
 My brother still has his first-generation 5GB iPod, and only recently
 replaced it due to long-since outgrowing the capacity (he got a 32GB
 iPod Touch).

My wife's BW iPod (the one just before the photo) just died last
year, and it still kinda works.

My 5G video got wet and the battery shorted out, replaced the battery.
Then I left my sunroof open and it got rained on, bought a new board
and clickwheel on ebay and replaced those myself. No problems since.
(I have a bad history with iPods and water).
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Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 13:32 -0400, Heidi A. Strohl wrote:
 I have an iPod nano, and I can't believe I fell for the iPod schtick
 again. In retrospect, I should have known: my fiancee has bought me a
 new iPod every year for the past four years. I have never had an Apple
 device that lasted more than 1 year before malfunctioning.

In contrast, I've got two iPods, one four and a half years old (3rd-gen,
greyscale, click-wheel), one three years old (first video model), and
both continue to work flawlessly. As does my wife's three year old nano.
My brother still has his first-generation 5GB iPod, and only recently
replaced it due to long-since outgrowing the capacity (he got a 32GB
iPod Touch).

Now that my older iPod has more or less been supplanted by an iPhone, I
think I'll throw Rockbox 3.0 on it for giggles, since its been quite a
while since I've played with it (it was in its infancy and frankly
sucked the last time I tried it out, but that has to be three years ago
now).



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Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Oct 3, 2008, at 09:49, Jesse Lazar wrote:

 What are others using?

 Are you happy with it, what are the shortcomings?


I was expecting to replace my iPod (5GB) with my n810, so I bought an  
8GB memory card for it, but I haven't given up the iPod yet.  I  
simply haven't found (nor written) any decent software for playback  
and updating on the n810.  The hardware is perfect, 802.11g and a  
built-in speaker (plus headphone  bluetooth).  It should just sync  
the podcasts directly or via an rsync job, but nobody has taken the  
time to build a nice solution yet.

FWIW, my iPod has had its battery replaced once (it's getting to  
needing it done again - the cold exaggerates the loss) and I re- 
soldered the firewire connector back to the mobo a few months ago:

   http://pictures.mcgonigle.us/main.php?g2_itemId=4990
   (ob. geek porn)

It'll be 7 years old next month and holds the podcasts.  The Rockbox  
3 bootloader won't find its software image on this device, so it's on  
the (now ancient) Apple firmware at present.

-Bill


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Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Travis Roy
 I
 simply haven't found (nor written) any decent software for playback
 and updating on the n810.

Canola (http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/) doesn't fit the bill?

I'm hopefully getting a n810 this Christmas.
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Re: portable music players

2008-10-03 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Oct 3, 2008, at 18:43, Travis Roy wrote:

 Canola (http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/) doesn't fit the bill?

On paper it does.  In software it doesn't actually work.  Yet (they  
say).   Due out Q12008!

 I'm hopefully getting a n810 this Christmas.


They have one with a cell modem coming out - might be worth looking  
into.

-Bill

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