goanet-digest V1 #3988
goanet-digest Monday, May 20 2002 Volume 01 : Number 3988 - In this issue: [Goanet] 20 MAY: GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS! -- RELIGION V/S ANIMISM SURVEY [Goanet] NGO for ban on Hepatitis B vaccine. Re:[Goanet] Scientific Method Re: [Goanet] Scientific Method See end of digest for information on subscribing/unsusbcribing. -- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:24:22 +0530 From: "Joel D'Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] 20 MAY: GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS 20 May 2002 ONLY BJP TEAM CAN DELIVER GOODS: Union Law Minister Arun Jaitley yesterday stated that Goa's principal issue of underutilized potential could be effectively tackled by a better quality of polity comprising clean and principled politicians wedded to stability and well being of the people. (GT) RANE ACCUSES CM: Senior Congress party leader and former Speaker, Pratapsing Rane, on Sunday, told reporters that he had asked Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar to take trouble to tell us who burnt the Soccoro mosque. "The Chief Minister has hatched a conspiracy to instigate communal violence before Congress chief, Ms Sonia Gandhi's visit," Mr Rane charged. (H) FONSECA'S APPEAL TO SIOLIM VOTERS: Communist Party of India candidate Christopher Fonseca appealed to Siolim voters to give him one opportunity to work for the development of the Siolim constituency, while addressing a meeting at Raiant-Siolim on Saturday. (GT) BJP WOULD BE THE LARGEST PARTY: The BJP has an overwhelming advantage in 18 constituencies. The Congress, despite the challenge from the rebels, has an edge in 15 constituencies. The outcome in seven constituencies would depend on the percentage of voting, and other factors A three-way division of the minority votes between the Congress, NCP and UGDP has made the BJP's job easy. (Nandkumar Kamat in Glimpses-NT) ELECTION WORK FOR MARKS? A former teacher of a prominent college in South Goa who is a candidate for a party, has engaged some of the students to write the voters' cards and assured them of certifying in their booklets that they had done an assignment. (GT) YOUTH TRAINING WORKSHOP: A Youth Training Workshop was conducted by World Wide Fund for Nature-India, in collaboration with the Directorate of Extra Mural Studies and Extension Services of Goa University under the United Nations Development Programme recently at the Goa University. (H) REPORT ON AGING: The Research Institute for Women, Goa, on May 16, in Panjim, released its report titled "Age and Wisdom undervalued: An inquiry into the social process of aging in Goa at the turn of the third millennium", at the hands of Dr Jolly Mascarenhas, former professor of Goa Medical College. The report studies the conditions of the elderly persons in Goa, gauges the changes in the status of senior citizens and analyses the cause of such changes. The report surveys the conditions of retirement homes in Goa, which is dismal, and makes specific detailed recommendations to the government, panchayats, other local bodies, NGOs, religious organisations and families. (NT) CONVOCATION: The convocation ceremony for VI Portuguese Condensed course, "Portugues Sem Fronteiras" recently conducted by Indo-Portuguese Friendship SocietyGoa, and Fundacao Cidade de Lisboa, Portugal, will be held at Hotel Solmar, Panjim, today at 6 pm. The certificates and prizes will be distributed by Prof Elsa Barros, directora em Goa do Centro de Lingua Portuguesa do Instituto Camoes. PHOTO, PAINTING EXHIBITION: A photography and painting exhibition by Ajaykumar Lotlikar and Hitesh Pankar respectively, is being organised at the Kala Academy art gallery, from May 21 to 23. (NT) DROWNED OFF BAGA BEACH: A resident of Mayem, Purshottam Karbotkar, aged 45, got drowned off Baga beach around 8.30 am yesterday. He had gone along with his family to the beach for bath. (H) NEW SUPERIOR GENERAL: Sr Perpetua Vaz, the headmistress of Little Flower of Jesus High School, Calangute, has been elected the new Superior General of the Congregation of the handmaids of Christ. She hails from Naikavaddo, Aldona. (GT) S P O R T S FC SIOLIM ENTER LAST FOUR: FC Siolim thrashed Benny Union, Mapusa, 4-0 to storm into the semi-finals of the Saligao Villagers Trophy soccer tournament, at Adarsh grounds, Saligao. (H) DBO VETERANS CLINCH TITLE: In an exciting match DBO Veterans outplayed Young Blood 9-2 to win the all-Goa DBO flood-lit rink hockey tournament, at Don Bosco Oratory outdoor basketball courts. (H) BHATLEM CC CHAMPS: Bhatlem Cricket Club, Bhatlem emerged winners of the first Association cup 2002 tennis ball cricket tournament, defeating Carambolim Cricket Club, at Old Goa. (H) BENNY XI PIP CALANGUTE: Benny XI defeated Calangute Association 5-4 via the
[Goanet] NRNR Account is to be converted to NRE A/c. upon maturity.
Dear One Goans, This may be a very helpful information to all Goans who are having NRNR Accounts. Thanks Egbert Correia Reserve Bank of India vide A.P.(DIR Series) Circular No 28 dtd March 4, 2002 have notified the closure of NRNR and NRSR schemes w.e.f. 1st April, 2002 2.01 From 1st April, 2002 NRNR ( Non Resident Non Repatriable ) deposits are fully repatriable. 2.02 Existing balances of NRNR deposits will be allowed to be continued upto the date of maturity and upon maturity the same shall be credited to the person's Non Resident (External) Account. Natural consequence is that banks will not open any NRNR account from 1st April, 2002 being a renewal or a fresh deposit. 3.01 It is also proposed to discontinue NRSR (Non Resident (Special) Rupee) account schemes w.e.f. 01/04/2002. . 3.02 Existing NRSR maturing before 30th September, 2002 shall not be renewed.As re: existing NRSR accounts [other than fixed deposits ] as on 30th September,2002,an NRI will have option to close the account and transfer the balance to his NRO account.Otherwise Banks will be required to close such accounts on 30th September,2002 and transfer the balance to NRO account. 3.03 Re. deposits maturing on or after 30th September, 2002,upon maturity, account holder will have an option to close the account and transfer his balance to NRO account. 4.04 As in case of NRNR deposits, no new NRSR account will be opened from 1st April, 2002 by way of renewal or as a fresh deposit. Source : www.nribanks.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=- To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet == For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Some music-related sites from Goa
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Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS! -- RELIGION V/S ANIMISM SURVEY
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS! -- RELIGION V/S ANIMISM SURVEY >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:50:22 EDT > >In response to the above, I humbly submit: What doth it profit a (wo)man if >(s)he gains the whole world, but suffers the loss of his/her soul? > >There is no point in trying to twist Ash's poignant prophesy for any >generalizations. Religion (from 'religare') is designed to "bind us back >from >jungle rule. IMHO, without religion, Goans would fit the computer prompt of >Goons :( Speak for yourself if you like. To generalise with all Goans is to insult their sensibilities terribly. Additionally, please note that the North West of Pakistan actually follows organised religion to the T and are famous for jungle rule or tribal law. Incidentally it is believed that "the evil one" - Osama is currently in hiding there. And the current barbarism we see emanating out of Pakistan is also a product of organised religion. And Buddha actually went to the jungles to meditate and get enlightened. If all were like Buddha then violence would not have any place in the world.so jungles are not that bad after all. :-) And don't forget that it is in the name of organised religion that the the Church murdered millions and rendered thousands homeless in their quest to convert Goans to Christianity. And it is the efforts of the VHP to actually make Hinduism into an organised religion which is resulting in the current Hindu militancy and violence. And how can I forget to mention the current ogre of Islamic terrorism...I won't bother with details. Incidentally if you think religion made anyone civilized there is enough proof to link it with the worst barbarism in the world. It is education, culture, human values, and society which makes one civilised. Simply going to a church or temple and following priests blindly (even though they may be paedophiles or drug addicts) does not make one civilized or get one out of the "jungle" mentality. In fact, it is the other way round. If you actually look at the custodians of organised religion you will find a whole horde of perverts ranging from paedophiles and child/female abusers to drug addicts to violence recommenders to revenge fanatics to racists to basic cheats and liars and egoistic chauvinists. And most people actually follow them blindly in the name of Jesus, Allah, Ram and whoever. I tell you people have forgotten Jesus, Allah and Ram. Instead, Satan and the devil reigns supreme with current religious bodies with the horns showing prominently. >I would like to initiate a survey of all Goanetters on the following >question: > >Are you "for" or "against" religion? And what's that going to achieve other than prove that religion is popular or not among the goanetters ? That does not mean it is good or bad. After all alchohol is also popular and so is smoking. But whether it is good or bad is another question. Incidentally, if organised religion was not popular I would not have to write so many yarns against it. ;- ) >Let us plan to close this survey at midnight, Friday, May 31, 2002. > >Hopefully some computer wizard will volunteer to tabulate and provide the >results :-) Here's my vote : against organised religion of course. Now why did I even bother ? ;-) Cheers, Sunila _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS! -- RELIGION V/S ANIMISM SURVEY
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS! -- RELIGION V/S ANIMISM SURVEY >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:50:22 EDT > >In response to the above, I humbly submit: What doth it profit a (wo)man if >(s)he gains the whole world, but suffers the loss of his/her soul? > >There is no point in trying to twist Ash's poignant prophesy for any >generalizations. Religion (from 'religare') is designed to "bind us back >from >jungle rule. IMHO, without religion, Goans would fit the computer prompt of >Goons :( Speak for yourself if you like. To generalise with all Goans is to insult their sensibilities terribly. Additionally, please note that the North West of Pakistan actually follows organised religion to the T and are famous for jungle rule or tribal law. Incidentally it is believed that "the evil one" - Osama is currently in hiding there. And the current barbarism we see emanating out of Pakistan is also a product of organised religion. And Buddha actually went to the jungles to meditate and get enlightened. If all were like Buddha then violence would not have any place in the world.so jungles are not that bad after all. :-) And don't forget that it is in the name of organised religion that the the Church murdered millions and rendered thousands homeless in their quest to convert Goans to Christianity. And it is the efforts of the VHP to actually make Hinduism into an organised religion which is resulting in the current Hindu militancy and violence. And how can I forget to mention the current ogre of Islamic terrorism...I won't bother with details. Incidentally if you think religion made anyone civilized there is enough proof to link it with the worst barbarism in the world. It is education, culture, human values, and society which makes one civilised. Simply going to a church or temple and following priests blindly (even though they may be paedophiles or drug addicts) does not make one civilized or get one out of the "jungle" mentality. In fact, it is the other way round. If you actually look at the custodians of organised religion you will find a whole horde of perverts ranging from paedophiles and child/female abusers to drug addicts to violence recommenders to revenge fanatics to racists to basic cheats and liars and egoistic chauvinists. And most people actually follow them blindly in the name of Jesus, Allah, Ram and whoever. I tell you people have forgotten Jesus, Allah and Ram. Instead, Satan and the devil reigns supreme with current religious bodies with the horns showing prominently. >I would like to initiate a survey of all Goanetters on the following >question: > >Are you "for" or "against" religion? And what's that going to achieve other than prove that religion is popular or not among the goanetters ? That does not mean it is good or bad. After all alchohol is also popular and so is smoking. But whether it is good or bad is another question. Incidentally, if organised religion was not popular I would not have to write so many yarns against it. ;- ) >Let us plan to close this survey at midnight, Friday, May 31, 2002. > >Hopefully some computer wizard will volunteer to tabulate and provide the >results :-) Here's my vote : against organised religion of course. Now why did I even bother ? ;-) Cheers, Sunila _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS! -- RELIGION V/S ANIMISM SURVEY
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS! -- RELIGION V/S ANIMISM SURVEY >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:50:22 EDT > >In response to the above, I humbly submit: What doth it profit a (wo)man if >(s)he gains the whole world, but suffers the loss of his/her soul? > >There is no point in trying to twist Ash's poignant prophesy for any >generalizations. Religion (from 'religare') is designed to "bind us back >from >jungle rule. IMHO, without religion, Goans would fit the computer prompt of >Goons :( Speak for yourself if you like. To generalise with all Goans is to insult their sensibilities terribly. Additionally, please note that the North West of Pakistan actually follows organised religion to the T and are famous for jungle rule or tribal law. Incidentally it is believed that "the evil one" - Osama is currently in hiding there. And the current barbarism we see emanating out of Pakistan is also a product of organised religion. And Buddha actually went to the jungles to meditate and get enlightened. If all were like Buddha then violence would not have any place in the world.so jungles are not that bad after all. :-) And don't forget that it is in the name of organised religion that the the Church murdered millions and rendered thousands homeless in their quest to convert Goans to Christianity. And it is the efforts of the VHP to actually make Hinduism into an organised religion which is resulting in the current Hindu militancy and violence. And how can I forget to mention the current ogre of Islamic terrorism...I won't bother with details. Incidentally if you think religion made anyone civilized there is enough proof to link it with the worst barbarism in the world. It is education, culture, human values, and society which makes one civilised. Simply going to a church or temple and following priests blindly (even though they may be paedophiles or drug addicts) does not make one civilized or get one out of the "jungle" mentality. In fact, it is the other way round. If you actually look at the custodians of organised religion you will find a whole horde of perverts ranging from paedophiles and child/female abusers to drug addicts to violence recommenders to revenge fanatics to racists to basic cheats and liars and egoistic chauvinists. And most people actually follow them blindly in the name of Jesus, Allah, Ram and whoever. I tell you people have forgotten Jesus, Allah and Ram. Instead, Satan and the devil reigns supreme with current religious bodies with the horns showing prominently. >I would like to initiate a survey of all Goanetters on the following >question: > >Are you "for" or "against" religion? And what's that going to achieve other than prove that religion is popular or not among the goanetters ? That does not mean it is good or bad. After all alchohol is also popular and so is smoking. But whether it is good or bad is another question. Incidentally, if organised religion was not popular I would not have to write so many yarns against it. ;- ) >Let us plan to close this survey at midnight, Friday, May 31, 2002. > >Hopefully some computer wizard will volunteer to tabulate and provide the >results :-) Here's my vote : against organised religion of course. Now why did I even bother ? ;-) Cheers, Sunila _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
goanet-digest V1 #3989
goanet-digest Monday, May 20 2002 Volume 01 : Number 3989 - In this issue: [Goanet] Gold Box [Goanet] NRNR Account is to be converted to NRE A/c. upon maturity. [Goanet] Some music-related sites from Goa Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS! -- RELIGION V/S ANIMISM SURVEY Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS! -- RELIGION V/S ANIMISM SURVEY See end of digest for information on subscribing/unsusbcribing. -- Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 23:55:45 -0700 (PDT) From: JoaquimAlmeida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Gold Box The story goes that some time ago, a man punished his 3-year-old daughter for wasting a roll of gold wrapping paper. Money was tight and he became infuriated when the child tried to decorate a box to put under the Christmas tree. Nevertheless, the little girl brought the gift to her father the next morning and said, "This is for you, Daddy." He was embarrassed by his earlier over reaction, but his anger flared again when he found the box was empty. He yelled at her, "Don't you know when you give someone a present, there's supposed to be something inside it? The little girl looked up at him with tears in her eyes and said, "Oh, daddy, it's not empty, I blew kisses into the box. All for you, daddy." The father was crushed. He put his arms around his little girl, and he begged for her forgiveness. An accident took the life of the child only a short time later and it is told that the man kept that gold box by his bed for many years and whenever he was discouraged, he would take out an imaginary kiss and remember the love of the child who had put it there. In a very real sense, each of us as humans, have been given a gold container filled with unconditional love and kisses from our children, friends and family. There is no possession more precious. __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:04:56 +0400 From: "Egbert Correia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] NRNR Account is to be converted to NRE A/c. upon maturity. Dear One Goans, This may be a very helpful information to all Goans who are having NRNR = Accounts.=20 Thanks Egbert Correia Reserve Bank of India vide A.P.(DIR Series) Circular No 28 dtd March 4, = 2002 have notified the closure of NRNR and NRSR schemes w.e.f. 1st = April, 2002=20 2.01 From 1st April, 2002 NRNR ( Non Resident Non Repatriable ) deposits = are fully repatriable.=20 2.02 Existing balances of NRNR deposits will be allowed to be continued = upto the date of maturity and upon maturity the same shall be credited = to the person's Non Resident (External) Account. Natural consequence is = that banks will not open any NRNR account from 1st April, 2002 being a = renewal or a fresh deposit.=20 3.01 It is also proposed to discontinue NRSR (Non Resident (Special) = Rupee) account schemes w.e.f. 01/04/2002. . 3.02 Existing NRSR maturing before 30th September, 2002 shall not be = renewed.As re: existing NRSR accounts [other than fixed deposits ] as on = 30th September,2002,an NRI will have option to close the account and = transfer the balance to his NRO account.Otherwise Banks will be required = to close such accounts on 30th September,2002 and transfer the balance = to NRO account.=20 3.03 Re. deposits maturing on or after 30th September, 2002,upon = maturity, account holder will have an option to close the account and = transfer his balance to NRO account.=20 4.04 As in case of NRNR deposits, no new NRSR account will be opened = from 1st April, 2002 by way of renewal or as a fresh deposit.=20 Source : www.nribanks.com=20 -- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 10:43:15 +0530 (IST) From: Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Some music-related sites from Goa http://www.justjazz.8m.com http://www.obligato.8m.com http://www.bluespower.8m.com -- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:42:07 +0400 From: "Sunila Muzawar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS! -- RELIGION V/S ANIMISM SURVEY >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS! -- RELIGION V/S ANIMISM SURVEY >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:50:22 EDT > >In response to the above, I humbly submit: What doth it profit a (wo)man if >(s)he gains the whole world, but suffers the loss of his/her soul? > >There is no point in trying to twist Ash's poignant prophesy for any >generalizations. Religion (from 'religare') is designed to "bind us back >from >jungle rule. IMHO, without religion, Goans would fit the computer prompt of >Goons :( Speak for yourself if you like. To generalise with all Goans is to insult their sensibilities terr
[Goanet] ANALYSIS: Greenwash -- politicians all the same for Goa's environment
GREENWASH: POLITICIANS ALL THE SAME FOR GOA'S ENVIRONMENT ** Hardhitting stories, news-that-matters, perceptive analysis: http://www.freenewsgoa.net ... a journalists' cooperative for news ** Be it the Congress, Bharatiya Janata Party, Maharashtrawadi Gomantak Party or any other party in the State, the environment and ecology in Goa has been reduced to dust and rubble, reports Julian D'Costa in the Herald. The will to implement a gamut of environment related legislation passed by the Goa Legislative Assembly in the last few months and years has been merely superficial and cosmetic. No doubt, environmental movement has gained moment during recent times, however much is left to be desired. Plastics, garbage, mining rejects, bio-medical waste, are some of Goa's worst environmental problems and demands attention in the form of structured ecological controls from every government. The BJP government headed by Manohar Parrikar showed a responsive attitude towards some environmental issues like garbage disposal. Initially, the government also took into confidence some NGOs to discuss burning issues. But issues were not carried to the logical conclusion. Being a technocrat-chief minister, the environment-conscious citizens had high hopes from Parrikar but he didn't rise to their expectations. CRZ regulations continue to be blatantly violated mainly along the North Goa coast and despite complaints, the government apparently is hand-tied. On the other hand in South Goa particularly in Cutbona and some other areas in Salcete, illegal constructions were demolished credit for which also goes to upright officers like sub-divisional magistrate, Sanjit Rodrigues. Conversion of thousands of hectares of land was sanctioned by the town and country planning department. Garbage: No government has made any headway in evolving a proper garbage management system, except for providing a legislation, the implementation of which is yet to see the light of day. For instance in 1999 the Sardinha government launched with great fanfare the anti-plastic drive and introduced a ban on use of plastic bags upto 20 microns. However this failed to make an impact. A second attempt commencing with a ban on use of plastics upto 40 microns is scheduled to commence on June 1 this year. "And if things don't work out we will be forced to extend the ban upto 100 microns," Dr Claude Alvares of Goa Foundation said. The government has claimed that "a major drive" was undertaken to collect and dispose off plastic garbage which subsequently remained only on paper. If not for non-governmental organisations, Goa would be laced with garbage litter, plastic waste and untreated sewerage. The People's Movement For Civic Action (PMCA) based in Panjim and led by Patricia Pinto has done yeoman service through garbage management committees in the capital city and surrounding areas. So also have groups in other cities taken the initiative of setting up such committees. But what still remains to be taken care of are the garbage dumping sites, in Curca and Sonsodo, which are fast deteriorating. Environmentalists point out that garbage has now become a very serious problem in Goa having far reaching consequences on the environment. After the BJP government took over, the Mapusa municipality stopped dumping garbage on the Assagao hillock as it was affecting residents of Ganeshpuri. Trucks used to go all the way to Sonsodo for some time until they were given permission by the PMC to dump garbage at Curca. Realising the need to have a comprehensive garbage disposal site and a treatment plant, the government has been trying to locate one at Pilerne for North Goa while the Mapusa municipal council has identified land at Assagao. While pointing out to the two garbage sites in Goa, Sonsodo and Curca, which would soon cease to exist, Dr Alvares has expressed fears that the new garbage dumping site at Assagao will not offer any relief. "The haste in which the Mapusa Municipal Council has been trying to take over the land and commence dumping of garbage would create further problems," he revealed. According to Dr Claude the new site does not fulfill the requirements under the garbage management rules and in such case will violate the Environment Protection Act. "And if there is no proper management of garbage and its disposal at the new site which is supposed to last for 25 years, we will oppose the setting up of the garbage site at Assagao," he said. "At the higher level, the government is willing to co-operate but not at the lower level," says Dr Claude adding further, "at the lower level, the local self governing bodies don't want the involvement of citizens and they don't want to do proper work either." Coastal Regulation Zone violations: What also seems baffling is that CRZ violations continue to acquire the patr
[Goanet] Don't create communal tension, Parrikar warns Congress
Don't create communal tension, Parrikar warns Congress The Chief Minister, Mr Manohar Parrikar has warned the Congress against creating communal tensions to further their prospects in the forthcoming elections, and said that complaints had been filed with the police against certain such attempts. Disclosing this at a press conference here on May 18, Mr Parrikar said that, as the state's Home Minister, he had taken the matter seriously and that his government would act strongly against those people who were planning to create ``artificial communal violence.=92=92 He said that these unscrupulous elements within the Congress could do things like defacing religious structures and put the blame on the BJP=92s doorsteps. He had information that these incidents could take place after the Congress leader, Ms Sonia Gandhi=92s forthcoming visit to the state. ``I am saying this with all sense of responsibility," he reiterated. He said that some of the places that could be targeted by the Congress to create communal disturbance are Valpoi, Aldona, Bicholim, Mormugao and Sanguem. He said the Congress was so desperate that it could stoop to any level to win the election. The desperation of the Congress was also reflected in the manner it was trying intimidatory tactics. Congress workers were following BJP vehicles during campaigning in an aggressive manner, he said. Mr Parrikar informed that, on one occasion, when he had gone to address a meeting at Poinguinim, the Congress candidate=92s election vehicle actually came to th= e meeting site and had to be removed by the police. He said these moves demonstrated that the Congress had no issues to place before the people. Commenting on the statement of a Congress observer that the BJP=92s promise on eradicating unemployment could not be taken seriously, Mr Parrikar said that the people of Goa knew well whom to trust. The BJP had kept many of its promises and there was no reason to believe that it would not honour them in the coming days. He informed that the BJP had promised employment opportunities to 5000-6000 persons, and that promised had been kept. He said if the party returned to power, the BJP would wipe off unemployment in the state by 2005. The Chief Minister said that there was a surge across the state in support of the BJP. ``A wave is building up in our favour. All our campaign material is exhausted and we have ordered for more. The rivals are worried and therefore on the defensive,=92=92 he said. He said party workers from other camps had begun to join the BJP in large numbers and added that the media would know of the details as campaigning goes on. Talking of the good work done by the government, work that had been considered "impossible", Mr Parrikar said the government completed in a flat 28 days pumping of water from river Sal to Amthane. Water problem in many parts of north Goa has been resolved, he pointed out. PLEASE VISIT US www.goabjp.com FOR MORE ARTICLES & COLUMNS. THANK YOU. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
goanet-digest V1 #3990
goanet-digest Monday, May 20 2002 Volume 01 : Number 3990 - In this issue: Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS! -- RELIGION V/S ANIMISM SURVEY [Goanet] Don't create communal tension, Parrikar warns Congress [Goanet] ANALYSIS: Greenwash -- politicians all the same for Goa's environment See end of digest for information on subscribing/unsusbcribing. -- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:42:07 +0400 From: "Sunila Muzawar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS! -- RELIGION V/S ANIMISM SURVEY >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Goanet] MESSAGE TO ALL GOANS! -- RELIGION V/S ANIMISM SURVEY >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 00:50:22 EDT > >In response to the above, I humbly submit: What doth it profit a (wo)man if >(s)he gains the whole world, but suffers the loss of his/her soul? > >There is no point in trying to twist Ash's poignant prophesy for any >generalizations. Religion (from 'religare') is designed to "bind us back >from >jungle rule. IMHO, without religion, Goans would fit the computer prompt of >Goons :( Speak for yourself if you like. To generalise with all Goans is to insult their sensibilities terribly. Additionally, please note that the North West of Pakistan actually follows organised religion to the T and are famous for jungle rule or tribal law. Incidentally it is believed that "the evil one" - Osama is currently in hiding there. And the current barbarism we see emanating out of Pakistan is also a product of organised religion. And Buddha actually went to the jungles to meditate and get enlightened. If all were like Buddha then violence would not have any place in the world.so jungles are not that bad after all. :-) And don't forget that it is in the name of organised religion that the the Church murdered millions and rendered thousands homeless in their quest to convert Goans to Christianity. And it is the efforts of the VHP to actually make Hinduism into an organised religion which is resulting in the current Hindu militancy and violence. And how can I forget to mention the current ogre of Islamic terrorism...I won't bother with details. Incidentally if you think religion made anyone civilized there is enough proof to link it with the worst barbarism in the world. It is education, culture, human values, and society which makes one civilised. Simply going to a church or temple and following priests blindly (even though they may be paedophiles or drug addicts) does not make one civilized or get one out of the "jungle" mentality. In fact, it is the other way round. If you actually look at the custodians of organised religion you will find a whole horde of perverts ranging from paedophiles and child/female abusers to drug addicts to violence recommenders to revenge fanatics to racists to basic cheats and liars and egoistic chauvinists. And most people actually follow them blindly in the name of Jesus, Allah, Ram and whoever. I tell you people have forgotten Jesus, Allah and Ram. Instead, Satan and the devil reigns supreme with current religious bodies with the horns showing prominently. >I would like to initiate a survey of all Goanetters on the following >question: > >Are you "for" or "against" religion? And what's that going to achieve other than prove that religion is popular or not among the goanetters ? That does not mean it is good or bad. After all alchohol is also popular and so is smoking. But whether it is good or bad is another question. Incidentally, if organised religion was not popular I would not have to write so many yarns against it. ;- ) >Let us plan to close this survey at midnight, Friday, May 31, 2002. > >Hopefully some computer wizard will volunteer to tabulate and provide the >results :-) Here's my vote : against organised religion of course. Now why did I even bother ? ;-) Cheers, Sunila _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -- Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 00:38:02 -0700 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Don't create communal tension, Parrikar warns Congress Don't create communal tension, Parrikar warns Congress The Chief Minister, Mr Manohar Parrikar has warned the Congress against creating communal tensions to further their prospects in the forthcoming elections, and said that complaints had been filed with the police against certain such attempts. Disclosing this at a press conference here on May 18, Mr Parrikar said that, as the state's Home Minister, he had taken the matter seriously and that his government would act strongly against those people who were planning to create ``artificial communal viol
[Goanet] Scientific method
Dear Santosh, Bald factual claims such as those relating to the missing corpse of the historical Jesus, or the subsequent response of his disciples to persecution, have never been unfalsifiable. Let historical scholarship aided by increasingly sophisticated technology continue to refute any falsehoods, so that nobody need be deceived. Like you, I am happy for individuals to choose whatever they wish to believe. However, I try not to cast aspersions on their choice (just as I would nor "commit nuisance" in their drinking water). You write of religious belief: "something to cling to in spite of contrary evidence" As far as my own religious belief goes, I suggest that you first present some contrary evidence, then decide whether I cling or not. Until then, I am inclined to dismiss such statements as mere prejudice. True, there are many aspects of religious belief (if not also everyday opinion) that are beyond science, in the sense of being unfalsifiable: particularly those deriving from personal experience of love or prayer. To the many who delight in their religion, and are more concerned about living than talking about life, I have a message: Ignore claims that science is incompatible with religion. Both, at their best, keep us firmly rooted in reality. Religion and prayer also "reach the parts that science cannot reach", helping us lead a more meaningful, fuller and happier life. Regards, Joel Almeida __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Sunila's MESSAGE
Sunila writes: "If you actually look at the custodians of organised religion you will find a whole horde of perverts ranging from paedophiles and child/female abusers to drug addicts to violence recommenders to revenge fanatics to racists to basic cheats and liars and egoistic chauvinists. And most people actually follow them blindly" I fully agree with Sunila that we should not overlook the failings of the custodians of organized religion. I do not have access to survey findings on these questions, but my hunch is that the incidence rate of sin among them is no lower than in the general population. When it comes to strong behavioural predispositions such as child abuse, such people might plausibly even gravitate towards positions of trust in society (scout leaders, teachers, doctors, therapists of various sorts, priests etc.) Let's not put any human being on a pedestal. Sunila also wrote: "if all in India gave up their religion, everyone would focus on real issues like the economy, education, infrastructure, health, sanitation, and development" Politicians are supposed to focus on such real and important issues (I would add law and order at the top of the list, if Sunila permits). However, even anti-religious politicians could include: "perverts ranging from paedophiles and child/female abusers to drug addicts to violence recommenders to revenge fanatics to racists to basic cheats and liars and egoistic chauvinists." Rum thing, human nature. Hope for the best and be alert to the worst. Cheers, Joel Almeida __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
Re: [Goanet] Scientific method
-- Original Message -- From: "J. Almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 08:29:03 -0700 (PDT) >Dear Santosh, > >Bald factual claims such as those relating to the >missing corpse of the historical Jesus, or the >subsequent response of his disciples to persecution, >have never been unfalsifiable. Let historical >scholarship aided by increasingly sophisticated >technology continue to refute any falsehoods, so that >nobody need be deceived. > Conversely, the claims made about Jesus and his disciples - much of it forming the basis of christianity have not been proven either. Furthermore, based on current state of the art, much of it would be very difficult to prove, thus making some of the foundations of christianity very shaky indeed. Perhaps this could change in the future. Until this is done however, I do not believe much of the fundamentals of christianity passes the test of the scientific method as practiced today. One should add however that nothing is solid or well defined in the world of science either. Newtonian mechanics was deemed to be "the law" until the theory of relativity came along. In retrospect, we now know that the observations that were made during the newtonian era while passing the criteria of the scientific method during that period, were found to be subsets of laws as defined by relativity, and therefore not fully accurate. On the otherhand, this too is part of the scientific method, a back door exit strategy if you will in which once something is "proven" valid, it can then be proven to be invalid when something better comes along. This is in a sense an acknowledgement by science that that there is no "eternal truth" and that human observation/data collection/interpretation is not perfect. This is in many ways eloquently, but subtly suggested in Heisenberg's "uncertainty principle" which puts limits to the accuracy and/or quantity of information that can be obtained through the scientific process. Perhaps if some of the people of the various religions of the world accepted this principle, this world would be a much better place today. Marlon Germany: 2002 World Cup Champions (now this is an absolute) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
Re: [Goanet] Scientific method
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "J. Almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >You write of religious belief: > >"something to cling to in spite >of contrary evidence" > >As far as my own religious belief goes, I suggest that >you first present some contrary evidence, then decide >whether I cling or not. Until then, I am inclined to >dismiss such statements as mere prejudice. > Joel, you do indeed use the word prejudice in an unusually liberal and, I venture to say, in a transparently self-serving way. I hope you realize that summarily dismissing a fairly innocuous statement as prejudice might also be construed by some as prejudice. When I say a belief based on faith is held in spite of contrary evidence, I am referring to the undeniable fact that countless people everyday believe in all sorts of religiously inspired "miraculous" events, such as Ganesh idols drinking buckets of milk, or weeping statues, or stigmata, or Satya Sai Baba materializing Seiko watches. All these events have been repeatedly demonstrated to be false by investigation. But people, even some prominent Indian scientists, continue to believe in some of them based purely on faith. I have no prejudice against them. To me faith and scientific evidence have equally positive emotional appeal. But it is important to keep them separate. > > Ignore claims that science is incompatible with religion. Both, at >their best, keep us firmly rooted in reality. > Science is incompatible with religion if these two systems of thought attempt to encroach on each other's domain. That is why it is futile to apply the scientific method to basic religious beliefs, and to teach religious ideas in a science classroom. > >Religion and prayer also "reach the parts that science cannot reach", >helping us lead a more meaningful, fuller and happier life. > A sizable minority of people can and do live a "meaningful, fuller and happier life" in the absence of religion and prayer, and in some cases especially after having freed themselves from their particular brand of religion. And that is a dispassionately stated fact, not a prejudice. Regards, Santosh =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Birth of a new nation
(This text is being separately posted in Portuguese to the Goa-Portuguese mailing list) At zero hours of today - local time (18h30 of the 19th in India and 14h00 also of the 19th in Portugal) a new nation was born: the Democratic Republic of East Timor (Republica Democratica de Timor-Leste). The island of Timor measures about 470 x 100 km with an area of 32,300 sq km and a population of around 1,400,000. The Portuguese reached the island somewhere between 1512 and 1516. In 1651 the western half of the island (with the exception of Oecussi-Ambeno) was conquered by the Dutch and, when Indonesia attained independence in 1945, was integrated in this country. East Timor + Oecussi-Ambeno, with an area of 18,900 sq km, remained under Portuguese domination until the Fretilin freedom movement made an unilateral declaration of independence on November 25, 1975. This independence was not recognised by any country and ten days later Indonesia marched in, forcefully occupied the territory and later annexed it as its 27th province. However, this occupation and annexation were also not recognised (except by Australia) and the United Nations continued to classify it as a Portuguese territory under foreign occupation. The East Timorese continued to fight for their freedom and finally an internationally supervised referendum held late August 1999 dictated by an overwhelming majority (around 78%) its secession from Indonesia. Horrible killings, destruction and pillages followed, at the hands of Timorese "militia" supported by Indonesian military people. Between 1942 and 1945 East Timor faced Japanese occupation, during which a few thousands of the local population died. In mid-1975, two thousand died as a result of pre-indepence struggles among three freedom movements then existing, and in the long period of about 24 years of Indonesian domination (December 1975 - October 1999) the population is estimated to have been decimated of about 220,000 persons. (Present population of East Timor: approx. 800,000). Indonesian domination was followed by an interim administration by the United Nations. Two years after the referendum, on August 30, 2001, a Constituent Assembly was elected and Fretilin, the majority party, formed an interim government headed by Mari Alkatiri, with Nobel Peace Prize Co-awardee Jose Ramos Horta as Minister of Foreign Affairs. In April this year Xanana (Jose Alexandre) Gusmao, contesting as a candidate of nine parties, was elected President of the future country with over 85% of votes. The Assembly, meanwhile, voted to continue to function after independence, now as a regular Parliament. Yesterday, May 19th, there was about to be a major diplomatic incident when six Indonesian warships entered East Timorese territorial waters (and one of them even went as far as berthing at the port of the capital) without seeking prior clearance, allegedly to render protection to their President Ms Megawati Sukarnoputri when she later came to attend the independence ceremonies. They were ordered out and, fortunately, obeyed. Besides elaborating and voting the constitution, the Constituent Assembly also approved the national flag and anthem and decided that Portuguese and the local Tetum would be the national languages of East Timor. The venue selected for the independence ceremonies was a place 8 km distant from the capital city of Dili, by name of Taci Tolo (= Three Lagoons) which is now to be renamed to honour the country's martyrs, many of whose dead bodies were "buried" by the Indonesians in these lagoons. By 20h30 of the 19th (local time) an open-air Holy Mass was attended by a crowd estimated at over 200,000. The main celebrant was the Vatican's permanent representative at the United Nations Archbishop Renato Martino, at the special invitation of Mgr. Carlos Filipe Ximenes Belo, Administrator Apostolic of the diocese of Dili and co-awardee (with Ramos Horta) of Nobel Peace Prize. The celebrant was sided by Bishop Belo and by the Administrator of East Timor's only other diocese (Baucau) Bishop Basilio do Nascimento. I could not count the number of cardinals, bishops and priests present. One could see in a prominent place a statue of Our Lady of Fatima offered to Timor by the Portuguese Marian Sanctuary and flown in from Portugal a few days before. The Mass, interspersed with traditional religious songs in Tetum and dances, was celebrated in Portuguese and lasted for about two hours, with the reading of a message from Pope John Paul II as the last item. An inter-religious celebration joining Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists and Muslims then took place. These religious celebrations were followed, for another three hours, by cultural programmes from East Timor's thirteen districts and the small island of Atauro (which is in front of Dili). At zero hours the UN flag was lowered while Barbara Hendricks sang "Freedom". The Secretary-General of the United Nations Mr. Kofi Anan then made a speech in English (immedi
[Goanet] Know your candidate - from John Gomes
> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 10:41:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: John Gomes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Know your candidate > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Meeting at Azad Bhavan,Alto Betim on Sat 25th May02 from 5PM to6.30PM.All the >candidates standing from the Aldona Constitutency namely from the >BJP,Congress,MGP,NCP and Suraj party have been invited,and requested to ensure they >come in time since this is intended to be a short controlled session where each >candidate tells the citizen why they should vote for him, about the party manifesto, >and then will follow a question and answer session. > > It is high time the voter gets involved to change the trends of defections and >election of self serving or communal politicians.They must stop voting for >personalities based on caste or religion and vote based on competency and >developmental issues.Here is a chance for the voters of Porvorim and surrounding >areas to see and know their candidates latest views and have a say.He will be >listened to, at least before elections.PCAF has taken the initiative to organise this >in public interest and hopes all concerned will make it convenient to attend. > > PCAF is a non governmental apolitical registered body working for the welfare of >citizens and is open to all residents of Porvorim and surrounding areas..It has >already taken up improvement of water supply with the PWD,security and traffic >control with the Porvorim police.The need of the hour is for all NGOs in GOA to >network,and become a force to monitor and help each other to keep the elected >representatives on the correct path in public interest and the interests of GOA. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Rostad Candidate - Rostad Voters.
ROSTAD CANDIDATES ROSTAD VOTERS I. Only 10 more days are left for the Goa election and yet none of the defector candidates openly and publicly announced their intention of never again to defect. This means none of them will remain faithful to their parties, in other words once they are elected they will surely defect to any party that gives them highest bribe. In this case voting Congress party means voting for defectors. Voters should be careful, defection is become the best culture of Congress and those who promote, support and elect defector candidates of this party are really rostad because they will allow the rostad candidates to do rostadpon once they are elected. Surprisingly not even the fresh candidates of Congress have promised that they will not defect. It is a challenge to the Goan voters to punish Congress Party in the coming election. No doubt they will use all their financial powers to buy and bribe the voters but voters should accept everything but while voting should desist from voting Congress which is a party of defectors, traitors, crooks and sexters. Church leaders must increase their pace of awakening not only in the Church but also outside the Church area to educate the innocent voters. This is the time now for all the Legionaries, Charismatics and Night Vigilists to take up on their shoulders the great responsibility to educate the voters how and whom to vote in the coming election. By doing this job they will do their real Christian duty. Congress leadership said BJP is the communal party. Yes I do agree with it but like BJP, Congress Party is also full of communal elements and as such Congress Party is also communal party. To elaborate this point when BJP formed its Government, Congressmen who are now contesting the coming election on Congress tickets were a part of BJP and since this is the case Congress is filled with communal elements. In view of this all the secular persons should reject Congress. According to latest information when Congress leaders came to Goa for finalizing the candidates for the coming election, they were not only given money, gold and other precious ornaments but also wives of some of the defectors. This is the culture of Congress and also of defectors. Precisely because of this attribute Congress defectors once they are elected and occupied ministerial berths they make Goan especially Christian girls as their concubines with the promise of lollipops. These Congressmen will turn Goa into a big brothel for this reason every religious authority not only Christian will have greater responsibility to guide its followers to vote in the right direction and avoid voting sexters and pimps. VOTING CONGRESS DEFECTORS MEANS VOTING SEX MANIACS VOTING SEX MANIACS MEANS TURNING GOA INTO A BROTHEL VOTING CONGRESS MEANS VOTING COMMUNAL PARTY . CONGRESS AND BJP ARE TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN The greatest traitor of Goa is Maharastrawadi Gomantak Party. It is in the hands of Criminals, Shashikala is one such otherwise up to now why the murderer of her brother Siddarth and only son of Dayananda Bandodkar not exposed? How a young man Siddartha Bandodkar died? Who killed him and for what purpose? Why the case of this murder shelved? Who used the influence to shelve this case? Since the truth is not disclosed by the concerned people, it is left for the public to assume that Shashikala and her late husband who was living separately alone at Porvorim are guilty. Their guilt is such that in order to hush up the whole matter and to take protection from further exposure Shashikala befriended Congress for a shortwhile by joining Congress. Going to such an extent that is even leaving her own MGP, joining Congress, trying to disband MGP and merge it with Congress for her own convenience shows how guilty she was. It is MGP that was responsible to communalise Goa soon after Bharat annexed Goa in the name of liberation and imposed its own cruel, criminal and dirty culture on decent and virgin Goa. The culture and history of Goa before 1961 was much-much purer and cleaner than that of those who infiltrated into Goa from 1961. It is these infiltrators who polluted Goan ways of life, it is these infiltrators who disgraced Goan political life. In late sixties and early seventies Shashikala when MGP was in power was so communal that even in her normal talk she was vomiting fury against Christians and Christian leaders. She was during that period was so Marathik that in every sentence of her while sopeaking in Konkani consisted of Marathi idiom or word. Because of her and MGPs communal attitudes finally MGP joined hands with BJP in the last election. It is MGP that is more responsible to allow BJP to sow its communal seeds. In the coming election all the secular forces should join together and not only defeat BJP & MGP but also
[Goanet] Rostad Candidates - Rostad Voters - II
ROSTAD CANDIDATES ROSTAD VOTERS II. Goans are known to be secular and peace loving people by nature. It is MGP first and now BJP that is sowing the seeds of communalism in Goa, leave asisde elsewhere in India. How deep rooted communal BJP can be is known if you see the latest carnage at Gujarat. It is not only days and weeks but months now that is killings innocent Muslims in Gujarat. Because of such communal violence India was once partitioned. Second partition of India is already in offing. First partition came into being out of fear by the minority muslims in undevided India. The second partition will come also because of the fear of minorities in India who are not given adequate protection not only by the majority community but also by the Government headed by majority community. The seeds of second partition is alredy put in Gujarat and from there it will spread elsewhere. Indian Muslims will have to unite firmly and fortify their position as a homogenous group, they should refrain from splitting among themselves. BJP will never give them peace. BJP is a disgrace not only on Hindu religion but also on entire Indian culture. What BJP is doing in Gujarat is unHindu act for which natural calamity will befall on all those who are committing crimes against innocent children, women and aged people. After the beginning of Gurajat carnage the first election test of BJP is Goa. Goans now must show their wisdom and power by rejecting BJP thereby showing to the whole world that the negative vote in Goa for BJP means negation of BJPs actions in Gujarat. It is Goan voters who can show to the world that Gujarat killings with the help of BJP Government is a direct slap on BJPs communal attitide. ELECTING BJP MEANS ELECTING COMMUNALISTS. ELECT BJP AND SOON TURN GOA INTO ANOTHER GUJARAT . SUPPORT BJP AND HELP SECOND PARTITION OF INDIA Which is the best party having best candidates without any black spot of defection and cunningness? From the available records we are convinced that GOA SURAJ PARTY is having upright and clean candidates. Fine, these candidates may not have bales of notes to bribe the voters but they have bales of goodwill and integrity to do good for Goa and Goans. This is the only party as I know having ingrained in its manifesto non defection clause. No other party talks of non defection as far as I know. Goa Suraj Party is in the hands of able leadership, I know from my personal experience that its leadership is very sincere to Goa and Goan causes. Thru practical experience I know the leadership of this party when approached immediately came to the help of distressed Gulf Goans. They are ready to help any good cause of Gulf Goans and expatriate Goans if proper approach is made to them. Besides having the backing of Goan expatriate pillar and strong Goa lover Agnelo Gomes from USA, Gulf Goans in particular and Expatriate Goans in general can count on Goa Suraj for the protection of expatriate Goans. In view of this all the Gulf Goans and Expatriate Goans should request their relatives in Goa to vote for the candidates of Goa Suraj Party without any reservation. This is my view. VOTING FOR GOA SURAJ PARTY IS VOTING FOR THE PROTECTION OF GOA AND GOANS ". " VOTING FOR OTHER PARTIES IS VOTING FOR DEFECTION, CORRUPTION, BRIBERY AND SEXUAL MOLESTATION OF GOAN WOMEN As a matter of interest in the coming election by not voting Congress/BJP/MGP you will lose nothing, on the contrary you will gain much-much more by way of dumping the defectors and parties that are promoting defections. In the coming election there is no great issue to fight like Konkani and Statehood. In the past by concentrating on these twin issues Congress gained our confidence and MGP gained confidence of anti-Goan and Marathivadi elements. All these three parties are known to heavily rely on defectors and for this reason none of their members so far confessed that they will not defect. All these three parties are having in their fold top defectors and only the voters can teach these "Rostad" defectors a very good lesson if voters are not Rostad. The candidates of these three parties will give lot of assurances of doing this and that but finally they will do nothing. They will promise lot of job opportunities to our educated youngsters but finally whatever jobs and benefits are available in Goa they will give them only to their nearest and dearest. For others they will accept bribes in lakhs of rupees. In this case what is the fate of ordinary and poor person? From where he/she will go to bribe your MLA and Minister to get a job or ordinary favour? Poor and ordinary people must unite now to knock the candidates of Cong/BJP/MGP parties and in doing so you will lose nothing because even by electing them you will gain nothing. These three parties
goanet-digest V1 #3991
goanet-digest Monday, May 20 2002 Volume 01 : Number 3991 - In this issue: [Goanet] Scientific method [Goanet] Sunila's MESSAGE Re: [Goanet] Scientific method [Goanet] Birth of a new nation See end of digest for information on subscribing/unsusbcribing. -- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 08:29:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Scientific method Dear Santosh, Bald factual claims such as those relating to the missing corpse of the historical Jesus, or the subsequent response of his disciples to persecution, have never been unfalsifiable. Let historical scholarship aided by increasingly sophisticated technology continue to refute any falsehoods, so that nobody need be deceived. Like you, I am happy for individuals to choose whatever they wish to believe. However, I try not to cast aspersions on their choice (just as I would nor "commit nuisance" in their drinking water). You write of religious belief: "something to cling to in spite of contrary evidence" As far as my own religious belief goes, I suggest that you first present some contrary evidence, then decide whether I cling or not. Until then, I am inclined to dismiss such statements as mere prejudice. True, there are many aspects of religious belief (if not also everyday opinion) that are beyond science, in the sense of being unfalsifiable: particularly those deriving from personal experience of love or prayer. To the many who delight in their religion, and are more concerned about living than talking about life, I have a message: Ignore claims that science is incompatible with religion. Both, at their best, keep us firmly rooted in reality. Religion and prayer also "reach the parts that science cannot reach", helping us lead a more meaningful, fuller and happier life. Regards, Joel Almeida __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:23:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Sunila's MESSAGE Sunila writes: "If you actually look at the custodians of organised religion you will find a whole horde of perverts ranging from paedophiles and child/female abusers to drug addicts to violence recommenders to revenge fanatics to racists to basic cheats and liars and egoistic chauvinists. And most people actually follow them blindly" I fully agree with Sunila that we should not overlook the failings of the custodians of organized religion. I do not have access to survey findings on these questions, but my hunch is that the incidence rate of sin among them is no lower than in the general population. When it comes to strong behavioural predispositions such as child abuse, such people might plausibly even gravitate towards positions of trust in society (scout leaders, teachers, doctors, therapists of various sorts, priests etc.) Let's not put any human being on a pedestal. Sunila also wrote: "if all in India gave up their religion, everyone would focus on real issues like the economy, education, infrastructure, health, sanitation, and development" Politicians are supposed to focus on such real and important issues (I would add law and order at the top of the list, if Sunila permits). However, even anti-religious politicians could include: "perverts ranging from paedophiles and child/female abusers to drug addicts to violence recommenders to revenge fanatics to racists to basic cheats and liars and egoistic chauvinists." Rum thing, human nature. Hope for the best and be alert to the worst. Cheers, Joel Almeida __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:38:11 -0700 From: "Marlon Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Scientific method - -- Original Message -- From: "J. Almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 08:29:03 -0700 (PDT) >Dear Santosh, > >Bald factual claims such as those relating to the >missing corpse of the historical Jesus, or the >subsequent response of his disciples to persecution, >have never been unfalsifiable. Let historical >scholarship aided by increasingly sophisticated >technology continue to refute any falsehoods, so that >nobody need be deceived. > Conversely, the claims made about Jesus and his disciples - much of it forming the basis of christianity have not been proven either. Furthermore, based on current state of the art, much of it would be very difficult to prove, thus making some of the foundations of christianity very shaky indeed. Perhaps this could change in the future. Until this is done howev
[Goanet] Rudy Otter on The UK Asian Chaplaincy. From The Universe.
I am forwarding Ciril de Quadros post as he had problems doing so. Your attention is drawn to the plight of the nurses here in the UK who have been recruited from India. Ciril is attempting to obtain more details. Eddie Fernandes. This is an article which appeared in 28th April issue of the Catholic weekly 'THE UNIVERSE', which I felt would be of interest to Goans everywhere, and especially those based in the UK. The Asian Chaplaincy quarterly magazine 'CONTACT' as mentioned in the article provides a good mixture of interesting stories, cooking recipes, pilgrimages, matrimonials etc. For info please get in touch with Fr Oliver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] best wishes Ciril de Quadros Raia & Slough = Article for The Universe . by Rudy Otter "I wish," said Fr Oliver Antao of the UK's Asian Chaplaincy, "that we could have a place of our own. I'd like to set up an advice centre -- this is our most pressing need." We were sitting in a small basement office at St Augustine's Priory, Hammersmith, insulated by two doors from the rumble of Fulham Palace Road's incessant traffic. As we spoke, Fr Oliver's secretary, Olga Carvalho, a volunteer worker, took a stream of calls from people wanting to renew their £5 annual subscriptions for the Asian Chaplaincy's quarterly magazine, Contact, which goes to 2,000 people across the world, who in turn, widen its circulation by passing it on to an estimated 8,000 readers.. Many callers asked to see 33-year-old Fr Oliver privately for his advice on marital or family problems, or wanted to invite him to this or that event. The office is crammed with bookshelves displaying such titles as Prayer for World Peace, Our Lady of Massabielle, Jesus of Nazareth and the Catholic Directory. It also houses an altar, a donated computer, filing cabinets, and a couple of chairs for visitors. There are more religious books stored in a cabinet in the narrow passageway leading up to ground level. Rented from St Augustine's at £225 a month, the accommodation includes use the church and church hall to hold the chaplaincy's monthly English and Konkani (Goan language) services, and for the congregation to meet socially afterwards. The Asian Chaplaincy started life in the early 1980s when the late Cardinal Basil Hume felt there was a need for such an organisation to help integrate the then influx of refugees from Burma, India, Pakistan, Malaysia, the Philippines and Sri Lanka into British society. Refugees needed help and advice with securing jobs and accommodation as well as social matters, and the Asian Chaplaincy, founded by Fr Arthur Moraes in its former premises in Victoria, central London, "played a tremendous role in fulfilling those needs," said Fr Oliver. Fr Oliver took over the Asian Chaplaincy in August 2001 from Fr Andrew Fernandes (who had succeeded Fr Anthony Furtado) and served seven years in the post, moving to Purley, Surrey, as assistant parish priest to help spread the Christian message in local schools. In his farewell message in Contact, Fr Andrew wrote that running the Asian Chaplaincy was a "very important chapter in my life, spiritually and socially...a bewildering mixture of joy and sad moments." A total of £4,000 a year is contributed by Westminster and Southwark dioceses to help fund the Asian Chaplaincy, which continues to look after Asian immigrants' needs. Money is also raised through Asian Chaplaincy's pilgrimages which this year will span Fatima, Bruges, Knock, Paris's Rue du Bac, Beauraing in Belgium, Krakow in Poland, Kevelaer in Germany and Aylesford. Raffles and bring-and-buy sales held in Hammersmith help boost funds, although one of the main source of income is the magazine 'CONTACT', which is edited and produced by Francisco D'Souza who has a printing business. One of the volunteers, Michael Lobo, comes in to help computerise the chaplaincy's manual records. Previously a redundant accountant, he decided to keep in touch with the working world and offered his services free to Fr Oliver. Now he is back in an accountancy job but still pops in to help. Fr Oliver's duties include going to Liverpool and Southampton once a month to hold Masses in English for Asian Christian ship workers, as well as to Swindon where there is a large Asian community, for Konkani Masses. He also attends meetings with around 20 other ethnic religious communities every three months to exchange ideas and experiences. He is looking forward to the 17th annual multi-cultural mass on May 26, followed by a party in which various Asian countries will provide ethnic fare, complete with singing and dancing entertainment. Fr Oliver, an accomplished singer, is expected to join in the fun. One of the chaplaincy's commitments is to work towards a "better and fuller integration of the Asian community into their local churches," and provide "pastoral and spiritual care". A case he is concerned with involves six qualified nurses from In
[Goanet] Subject: Free Business cards From Hilario D'souza
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goanet-digest V1 #3992
goanet-digest Monday, May 20 2002 Volume 01 : Number 3992 - In this issue: Re: [Goanet] Scientific method [Goanet] Know your candidate - from John Gomes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Goanet] Rostad Candidate - Rostad Voters. [Goanet] Rostad Candidates - Rostad Voters - II See end of digest for information on subscribing/unsusbcribing. -- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:07:13 - From: "santoshhelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Scientific method - --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "J. Almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >You write of religious belief: > >"something to cling to in spite >of contrary evidence" > >As far as my own religious belief goes, I suggest that >you first present some contrary evidence, then decide >whether I cling or not. Until then, I am inclined to >dismiss such statements as mere prejudice. > Joel, you do indeed use the word prejudice in an unusually liberal and, I venture to say, in a transparently self-serving way. I hope you realize that summarily dismissing a fairly innocuous statement as prejudice might also be construed by some as prejudice. When I say a belief based on faith is held in spite of contrary evidence, I am referring to the undeniable fact that countless people everyday believe in all sorts of religiously inspired "miraculous" events, such as Ganesh idols drinking buckets of milk, or weeping statues, or stigmata, or Satya Sai Baba materializing Seiko watches. All these events have been repeatedly demonstrated to be false by investigation. But people, even some prominent Indian scientists, continue to believe in some of them based purely on faith. I have no prejudice against them. To me faith and scientific evidence have equally positive emotional appeal. But it is important to keep them separate. > > Ignore claims that science is incompatible with religion. Both, at >their best, keep us firmly rooted in reality. > Science is incompatible with religion if these two systems of thought attempt to encroach on each other's domain. That is why it is futile to apply the scientific method to basic religious beliefs, and to teach religious ideas in a science classroom. > >Religion and prayer also "reach the parts that science cannot reach", >helping us lead a more meaningful, fuller and happier life. > A sizable minority of people can and do live a "meaningful, fuller and happier life" in the absence of religion and prayer, and in some cases especially after having freed themselves from their particular brand of religion. And that is a dispassionately stated fact, not a prejudice. Regards, Santosh -- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 10:48:38 +0200 From: Viviana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Know your candidate - from John Gomes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 10:41:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: John Gomes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Know your candidate > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Meeting at Azad Bhavan,Alto Betim on Sat 25th May02 from 5PM to6.30PM.All the >candidates standing from the Aldona Constitutency namely from the >BJP,Congress,MGP,NCP and Suraj party have been invited,and requested to ensure they >come in time since this is intended to be a short controlled session where each >candidate tells the citizen why they should vote for him, about the party manifesto, >and then will follow a question and answer session. > > It is high time the voter gets involved to change the trends of defections and >election of self serving or communal politicians.They must stop voting for >personalities based on caste or religion and vote based on competency and >developmental issues.Here is a chance for the voters of Porvorim and surrounding >areas to see and know their candidates latest views and have a say.He will be >listened to, at least before elections.PCAF has taken the initiative to organise this >in public interest and hopes all concerned will make it convenient to attend. > > PCAF is a non governmental apolitical registered body working for the welfare of >citizens and is open to all residents of Porvorim and surrounding areas..It has >already taken up improvement of water supply with the PWD,security and traffic >control with the Porvorim police.The need of the hour is for all NGOs in GOA to >network,and become a force to monitor and help each other to keep the elected >representatives on the correct path in public interest and the interests of GOA. -- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:01:35 + From: "A. Veronica Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Rostad Candidate - Rostad Voters. ROSTAD CANDIDATES ROSTAD VOTERS I. Only 10 more days are left for the Goa election and yet none of the defector candidates openly and publicly announced their intention of never again to defect. Th
[Goanet] re: Scientific Method
Dear Santosh, You write: "countless people everyday believe in all sorts of religiously inspired "miraculous" events, such as Ganesh idols drinking buckets of milk, or weeping statues, or stigmata, or Satya Sai Baba materializing Seiko watches." Give as many examples as you like to those concerned, I have no objection. What has all that got to do with my religious belief? I do object to being tarred with the same brush you use for them. Why generalize from the particular examples to characterize religious belief? It is the generalization that I object to as prejudice and stereotyping. I know of many sexually promiscuous industrialists. However, I do not imply that being an industrialist requires sexual promiscuity. Similarly, although I know many illogical believers, religious belief does not require me to abandon scientific method or to cling to beliefs which have been refuted by evidence or logic. If you are not attempting to generalize about religious belief from such examples, then I happily withdraw allegations of prejudice and stereotyping and apologise for misunderstanding you. Regards, Joel Almeida __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] indianfootball.com AWARDS - final Round starts!
Dear Friends, The votes from the preliminary Round of the first-ever indianfootball.com Awards have been counted. For those who have voted in the preliminary Round of the first-ever indianfootball.com Awards: Thanks for participating! Now the votes have been counted and the final round of the indianfootball.com Awards start! The three most playerschoosen in the categories: player, foreign player & rookie plus the five most named coaches and wanted clubs are now open to be voted for. The vote will be open until early-June, so use your vote! Sadly this year, the AWARDIES will only be named on the site but maybe in future, with the help from sponsors or donations we can really carry out an AWARD evening... The Categories: PLAYER of the year FOREIGN PLAYER of the year ROOKIE (NEWCOMER) of the year COACH of the year TEAM of the year Cast your votes at the http://www.indianfootball.com website or send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ! (Everyone can cast only one vote!) bye, Arunava Arunava Chaudhuri - [EMAIL PROTECTED] webmaster http://www.indianfootball.com/ alternative server: http://www.indianfootball.de/ IIFS 2002 - International Indian Football Series home: http://iifs.indianfootball.com mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] NEWS: Minister moots massage on air, A-I says 'no oil'
inister moots massage on air, A-I says "no oil" By Deepshikha Ghosh, Indo-Asian News Service New Delhi, May 20 (IANS) Trying to catch up with world class in-flight services, India's flagship carrier Air-India (A-I) wants to start giving massages to its long-suffering clients, but it does not know how. A-I officials Monday reacted cautiously to Civil Aviation Minister Syed Shahnawaz Hussain's reported plan to introduce the much sought after Kerala massage on board. Hussain's plan features a Kerala-style Ayurvedic message that would have masseurs giving the whole body treatment with herbal oils. The minister reportedly targeted at an experience unmatched by any other airline. The idea is also to upstage the Virgin Atlantic airline that recently introduced a massage in a range of services aimed at treating the customer like a king. But A-I officials say oil and anything close would be a complete no-no on any aircraft. "If it is the Kerala massage that the minister is talking about, then it is impossible on flight as it would spread a stink in the whole aircraft," an A-I official told IANS from Mumbai. But he said the airline could contemplate the Virgin-style massage. "That is a dry treatment, which only has masseurs applying pressure with their fingers. I don't see how we can try to be different from that." So A-I officials were Monday making several calls to clarify matters from the office of the minister, who is currently touring the Gulf. "We need to see what the minister has suggested an accordingly go about it. He has also talked about trained masseurs from Kerala, but we don't know what exactly is the plan," the official remarked. Since Hussain says his proposal had the hearty approval of the cabinet and MPs - who are mandated to take the A-I for their foreign tours -- the airline may have to start its groundwork soon. The airline also plans to introduce "slumberette" or 180 degree reclining seats and personal televisions for passengers. An airline spokesman also said the menu, criticised most often by hapless commuters, was being completely revamped. Dubbed the "Maharaja' for its famous mascot, A-I has been in the financial doldrums with mounting losses due to lack of fleet, fuel-guzzling ageing Boeing aircraft, excess wage bill and employee benefits. Poor in-flight services have also placed it on the bottom of the scale. After failing to attract buyers to offload a part of its stake in the airline, the government is trying to rejuvenate the airline. --Indo-Asian News Service =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
goanet-digest V1 #3993
goanet-digest Monday, May 20 2002 Volume 01 : Number 3993 - In this issue: [Goanet] Subject: Free Business cards From Hilario D'souza [Goanet] Rudy Otter on The UK Asian Chaplaincy. From The Universe. [Goanet] re: Scientific Method [Goanet] indianfootball.com AWARDS - final Round starts! [Goanet] NEWS: Minister moots massage on air, A-I says 'no oil' See end of digest for information on subscribing/unsusbcribing. -- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:06:38 +0200 From: Viviana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Subject: Free Business cards From Hilario D'souza > Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:40:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Hilario D'souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Free Business cards > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Just though I would let you guys know that if anyone > is interested in free personal or business cards check > this site out http://www.vistaprint.com. > > Should I bill them for Advertising? :) > > Hilario -- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:05:44 +0100 From: "Eddie Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Rudy Otter on The UK Asian Chaplaincy. From The Universe. I am forwarding Ciril de Quadros post as he had problems doing so. Your attention is drawn to the plight of the nurses here in the UK who have been recruited from India. Ciril is attempting to obtain more details. Eddie Fernandes. This is an article which appeared in 28th April issue of the Catholic weekly 'THE UNIVERSE', which I felt would be of interest to Goans everywhere, and especially those based in the UK. The Asian Chaplaincy quarterly magazine 'CONTACT' as mentioned in the article provides a good mixture of interesting stories, cooking recipes, pilgrimages, matrimonials etc. For info please get in touch with Fr Oliver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] best wishes Ciril de Quadros Raia & Slough = Article for The Universe . by Rudy Otter "I wish," said Fr Oliver Antao of the UK's Asian Chaplaincy, "that we could have a place of our own. I'd like to set up an advice centre -- this is our most pressing need." We were sitting in a small basement office at St Augustine's Priory, Hammersmith, insulated by two doors from the rumble of Fulham Palace Road's incessant traffic. As we spoke, Fr Oliver's secretary, Olga Carvalho, a volunteer worker, took a stream of calls from people wanting to renew their £5 annual subscriptions for the Asian Chaplaincy's quarterly magazine, Contact, which goes to 2,000 people across the world, who in turn, widen its circulation by passing it on to an estimated 8,000 readers.. Many callers asked to see 33-year-old Fr Oliver privately for his advice on marital or family problems, or wanted to invite him to this or that event. The office is crammed with bookshelves displaying such titles as Prayer for World Peace, Our Lady of Massabielle, Jesus of Nazareth and the Catholic Directory. It also houses an altar, a donated computer, filing cabinets, and a couple of chairs for visitors. There are more religious books stored in a cabinet in the narrow passageway leading up to ground level. Rented from St Augustine's at £225 a month, the accommodation includes use the church and church hall to hold the chaplaincy's monthly English and Konkani (Goan language) services, and for the congregation to meet socially afterwards. The Asian Chaplaincy started life in the early 1980s when the late Cardinal Basil Hume felt there was a need for such an organisation to help integrate the then influx of refugees from Burma, India, Pakistan, Malaysia, the Philippines and Sri Lanka into British society. Refugees needed help and advice with securing jobs and accommodation as well as social matters, and the Asian Chaplaincy, founded by Fr Arthur Moraes in its former premises in Victoria, central London, "played a tremendous role in fulfilling those needs," said Fr Oliver. Fr Oliver took over the Asian Chaplaincy in August 2001 from Fr Andrew Fernandes (who had succeeded Fr Anthony Furtado) and served seven years in the post, moving to Purley, Surrey, as assistant parish priest to help spread the Christian message in local schools. In his farewell message in Contact, Fr Andrew wrote that running the Asian Chaplaincy was a "very important chapter in my life, spiritually and socially...a bewildering mixture of joy and sad moments." A total of £4,000 a year is contributed by Westminster and Southwark dioceses to help fund the Asian Chaplaincy, which continues to look after Asian immigrants' needs. Money is also raised through Asian Chaplaincy's pilgrimages which this year will span Fatima, Bruges, Knock, Paris's Rue du Bac, Beauraing in Belgium, Krakow in Poland, Kevelaer in Germany and Aylesford. Raffles and bring-and-buy sales held in H
[Goanet] May Queen Ball in Dubai
You are invited to attend a May Queen Ball in Dubai : Date : Wednesday - 22 May, 2002 (tomorrow) Timing : 8.30 pm Venue : Hotel Renaisance Ballroom Dress Code : Strictly formal Band : "ARCHIES" - from Goa (they are "ex-Syndicate") Host : UPDESH all the way from Goa and De Dom Tickets : Dirhams 110/- per person or Dirhams 200/- per couple Call Telephone no. 050-4949032 for further information or to purchase tickets. Have fun !!! _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] re: Scientific Method
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "J. Almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Give as many examples as you like to those concerned, >I have no objection. What has all that got to do with >my religious belief? I do object to being tarred with >the same brush you use for them. > Dear Joel: It is not my intention to tar anybody. When I say that religious beliefs, such as the ones I had listed in my last post, are based on faith in spite of contrary evidence, I am not making that statement to cast aspersions on people who hold these beliefs. I thought I had made this fact clear. I do not use the phrase "belief based purely on faith" in a pejorative sense. In fact, I strongly object to your comparing (perhaps unwittingly) these folk, some of whom are my dear friends, with "sexually promiscuous industrialists", as you do below. > >I know of many sexually promiscuous industrialists. >However, I do not imply that being an industrialist >requires sexual promiscuity. Similarly, although I >know many illogical believers, religious belief does >not require me to abandon scientific method or to >cling to beliefs which have been refuted by evidence >or logic. > >From my personal experience I know that many of these illogical religious believers have also not abandoned their scientific method. They merely keep their religious beliefs separate from their scientific ideas, and do it amazingly effectively. > >If you are not attempting to generalize about >religious belief from such examples, then I happily >withdraw allegations of prejudice and stereotyping and >apologise for misunderstanding you. > I am certainly attempting to generalize about religious belief from the examples I gave, but I am doing it without any kind of prejudice. I feel thoroughly justified in doing that because I am yet to be convinced by you or anybody else that religious belief of any sort is based on evidence. In fact, I must say that I have never met a person who has claimed that their religious beliefs are based on scientific evidence. The closest that somebody has come to saying something like that are VHP types who have claimed that Vedas contain scientifically accurate statements, such as the exact value for the speed of light. I would like this to be my last post on this thread. Please don't take offense if I do not respond to your reply to this post. It was fun having this dialogue with you. Regards, Santosh =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] REPORT ON AGEING IN GOA:Copies now available.
* Documented by Goa Desc Documentation Service & circulated by Goa Civic & Consumer Action Network (GOA CAN)<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * - REPORT ON AGEING IN GOA:Copies now available. - At a function organised by the Research Institute for Women, Goa, on 16th instant at Panjim, its report entitled "Age and Wisdom undervalued -An inquiry into the social process of ageing in Goa at the turn of the third millennium" was released at the hands of Dr. Jolly Mascarenhas, former professor of Goa Medical College. The report studies the conditions of the elderly that prevails at the moment in Goa, gauges the changes in the status of senior citizens and analyses the causes of such changes. The report also surveys the conditions of retirement homes in Goa which is dismal and makes specific recommendations to the Government, Panchayats, other local bodies, NGO, religious organizations and families. The release of the report was followed by two interesting talks one by Dr. Ajoy Estibeiro who spoke about the need for planning for a secure old age and another by Architects Dean D'Cruz and Ritu who spoke on the ways of conserving the character of Panjim city and enhancing its quality of life. Prof. Isabel Vas welcomed the guests and Dr. Zinia da Silva compered the function. - Copies of the above mentioned report are priced at Rs. 150 - Copies can be ordered from the Research Institute for Women, Goa at the following email: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> or phone no. 230538 during working hours - === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
Re: [Goanet] Sunila's MESSAGE
>From: "J. Almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Goanet] Sunila's MESSAGE >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:23:10 -0700 (PDT) > >Sunila writes: >"If you actually look at the custodians >of organised religion you will find a whole horde of >perverts ranging from >paedophiles and child/female abusers to drug addicts >to violence >recommenders to revenge fanatics to racists to basic >cheats and liars and >egoistic chauvinists. And most people actually follow >them blindly" > >I fully agree with Sunila that we should not overlook >the failings of the custodians of organized religion. >I do not have access to survey findings on these >questions, but my hunch is that the incidence rate of >sin among them is no lower than in the general >population. When it comes to strong behavioural >predispositions such as child abuse, such people might >plausibly even gravitate towards positions of trust in >society (scout leaders, teachers, doctors, therapists >of various sorts, priests etc.) Let's not put any >human being on a pedestal. I am glad you said that. And that is exactly why I don't believe in organised religion. I have no problem with people following Jesus, Krishna or Allah. But why does a person following Jesus need to swear allegiance to the Vatican Church ? Why does a person following Krishna allow himself to be brainwashed by the VHP ? And why does a persona following Allah become a terrorist ? Christ said I am the only way. Krishna said leave everything including your race & religion and surrender to me. Buddha said there is only one path and that is what I preach. Why do we think they are separate entities ? Why can't we believe that they are the same Almighty manifesting in different forms at different times ? After all, all religions preach that God is one !!! Why is there a need to create rigid structures and construct huge walls to divide society in order for a group or groups of people to attain power by using religion as a tool, until the whole thing becomes a sordid affair sogged with violence, murder, plunder and crime ? >Sunila also wrote: >"if all in India gave up their religion, everyone >would >focus on real issues like the economy, education, >infrastructure, health, >sanitation, and development" > >Politicians are supposed to focus on such real and >important issues (I would add law and order at the top >of the list, if Sunila permits). However, even >anti-religious politicians could include: I don't agree with you Joel. Politicians like priests are a reflection of society. They will only deal with issues that they think are dear to people. Religion, caste, and such communal divides have a lot of emotional appeal. The politicians exploit this emotional appeal to create vote banks and to gain power. How can we expect them to focus on important issues instead of religion and caste when we allow them to manipulate us in this way? It is only when we give importance to issues like corruption, law and order (I agree with including that :-)), education, health, etc. and when elections are fought on such issues that we will see better governance. A recent example is unfolding in Goa. There is absolutely no doubt that Manohar Parrikar's Govt. has been the best Govt. we have had in the last thirty years at least. He has achieved a lot in a year. Many of us including myself do think that he could have achieved more, but it is a fact that he has achieved much more than others. Nobody can deny that. One cannot regard him as communal. His party, the BJP is an openly communal party. But then the Congress is also a communal party although it does so covertly. And the MGP and the other political parties are overwhelmingly communal and casteist. Almost all the Congress candidates are habitual defectors, totally corrupt and incompetent. But many people are ready to ignore that and bring them back to power because of their religious and communal leanings and fears. How can we then expect these elected candidates to give us better governance when we have not voted them to power to give us precisely that ? Why can we not actually ignore the political parties and vote for the right candidate ? Why can't we ignore religious leanings and communal and casteist divides and vote for better governance ? But if one says that, one is accused of siding with the saffron. But whether one sides with the saffron or the green (assuming the Congress colour is green), is not the question. The question is better governance, better living standards, and better opportunities. Why don't we think like that ? Cheers, Sunila _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === F
Re: [Goanet] Sunila's MESSAGE
>From: "J. Almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Goanet] Sunila's MESSAGE >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:23:10 -0700 (PDT) > >Sunila writes: >"If you actually look at the custodians >of organised religion you will find a whole horde of >perverts ranging from >paedophiles and child/female abusers to drug addicts >to violence >recommenders to revenge fanatics to racists to basic >cheats and liars and >egoistic chauvinists. And most people actually follow >them blindly" > >I fully agree with Sunila that we should not overlook >the failings of the custodians of organized religion. >I do not have access to survey findings on these >questions, but my hunch is that the incidence rate of >sin among them is no lower than in the general >population. When it comes to strong behavioural >predispositions such as child abuse, such people might >plausibly even gravitate towards positions of trust in >society (scout leaders, teachers, doctors, therapists >of various sorts, priests etc.) Let's not put any >human being on a pedestal. I am glad you said that. And that is exactly why I don't believe in organised religion. I have no problem with people following Jesus, Krishna or Allah. But why does a person following Jesus need to swear allegiance to the Vatican Church ? Why does a person following Krishna allow himself to be brainwashed by the VHP ? And why does a persona following Allah become a terrorist ? Christ said I am the only way. Krishna said leave everything including your race & religion and surrender to me. Buddha said there is only one path and that is what I preach. Why do we think they are separate entities ? Why can't we believe that they are the same Almighty manifesting in different forms at different times ? After all, all religions preach that God is one !!! Why is there a need to create rigid structures and construct huge walls to divide society in order for a group or groups of people to attain power by using religion as a tool, until the whole thing becomes a sordid affair sogged with violence, murder, plunder and crime ? >Sunila also wrote: >"if all in India gave up their religion, everyone >would >focus on real issues like the economy, education, >infrastructure, health, >sanitation, and development" > >Politicians are supposed to focus on such real and >important issues (I would add law and order at the top >of the list, if Sunila permits). However, even >anti-religious politicians could include: I don't agree with you Joel. Politicians like priests are a reflection of society. They will only deal with issues that they think are dear to people. Religion, caste, and such communal divides have a lot of emotional appeal. The politicians exploit this emotional appeal to create vote banks and to gain power. How can we expect them to focus on important issues instead of religion and caste when we allow them to manipulate us in this way? It is only when we give importance to issues like corruption, law and order (I agree with including that :-)), education, health, etc. and when elections are fought on such issues that we will see better governance. A recent example is unfolding in Goa. There is absolutely no doubt that Manohar Parrikar's Govt. has been the best Govt. we have had in the last thirty years at least. He has achieved a lot in a year. Many of us including myself do think that he could have achieved more, but it is a fact that he has achieved much more than others. Nobody can deny that. One cannot regard him as communal. His party, the BJP is an openly communal party. But then the Congress is also a communal party although it does so covertly. And the MGP and the other political parties are overwhelmingly communal and casteist. Almost all the Congress candidates are habitual defectors, totally corrupt and incompetent. But many people are ready to ignore that and bring them back to power because of their religious and communal leanings and fears. How can we then expect these elected candidates to give us better governance when we have not voted them to power to give us precisely that ? Why can we not actually ignore the political parties and vote for the right candidate ? Why can't we ignore religious leanings and communal and casteist divides and vote for better governance ? But if one says that, one is accused of siding with the saffron. But whether one sides with the saffron or the green (assuming the Congress colour is green), is not the question. The question is better governance, better living standards, and better opportunities. Why don't we think like that ? Cheers, Sunila _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === F
[Goanet] 21 MAY: GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS 21 May 2002 A CART-LOAD OF PROMISES: The Congress manifesto carrying 27 point developmental strategies for the State was released in Panjim yesterday. Withdrawal of all notifications levying exorbitant land revenue, development of knowledge based industries, banning of communal organisations, setting up of a full-fledged high court in Goa, periodical disclosure of the discretionary powers of ministers and pursuing the amendment of Anti-Defection Law are the key issues in the Congress manifesto. (GT) THE CONGRESS PACKAGE: The Congress in Goa seems to have tried to tackle the malaise of defections in its own way by obtaining a pledge from all its candidates for 30 May mid-term assembly elections saying that they would be loyal to the party and in the event of any serious differences with it in respect of its policies and programmes, they would quite their membership of the House and seek re-election. (Edit in GT) PARRIKAR WILL BE CM, SHRIPAD DEPUTY: While speaking to a sizeable crowd at the public meeting in Panjim yesterday, BJP stalwart Pramod Mahajan said that Mr Manohar Parrikar will be the chief minister and Shripad Naik his deputy. "Goa desperately needs a stable government and BJP is the only party which can give stable, good and corruption free governance," he said. (H) SHRIPAD JUSTIFIES: Does he (Shripad Naik) agree with Mr Advani's statement to defeat the tainted men even if they are in the BJP? "Yes, I fully agree with him but in the BJP there are no tainted men," he says initially but then he concedes that defection is also a taint. He shifts gears by saying, "We give them a chance to change from bad to good." He admits that there are a few tainted men in his party, defection or corruption-wise, but not as many as in the other parties like the Congress. (Ervell E Menezes in NT) CLAIMS UNFOUNDED: Nationalist Congress Party state president Wilfred told reporters yesterday that the Congress propaganda that a split in votes in a triangular contest, involving the two parties and the BJP would help the latter, was unfounded. He said the BJP's image had sunk low in the wake of the Gujarat carnage and a church circular appealing for a vote against communal forces would affect it (and Shiv Sena) further. (GT) COMMUNAL OR CORRUPT: Because the national executive meet was held in Goa, locals became conscious and aware of the BJP's fanaticism Post Gujarat or to be more specific post national convention of the BJP in the State, the conviction has been, Parrikar himself may be a good man but there is no way anyone can support the BJP for the gross insensitivity it has displayed in Gujarat. (Edit in Herald) CONVICTED FOR SALE OF ADULTERATED EDIBLE OIL: The judicial magistrate first class, Mapusa, has convicted Gregorio D Noronha, a shopkeeper from Mapusa, under the Prevention of Food Adulteration Act, 1954. (NT) ELECTROCUTED IN CURCHOREM: According to reliable sources, Dyaneshwar Tanaji Keni of Bhoma-Ponda climbed up an electricity pole to tie a banner of a party candidate, when he came in contact with live wires and died on the spot. However, Curchorem police have officially recorded that Keni was "chit-chatting along with the village boys and was leaning on the electric pole, when he got a shock and fell down". (H) CHECKS DYKES: The Chief Secretary, Mr Baleshwar Rai, inspected the construction of dykes on Chapora river and the pumping station at Sal meant for drawing additional raw water to the Amthane reservoir. (NT) BB BORKAR AWARD: "Pangara", a collection of Marathi short stories by Ms Rekha Mirajkar, has been awarded the BB Borkar Prize, instituted by Pragatik Vichar Manch. (NT) PORTUGUESE COURSE: The Xavier Centre of Historical Research will hold a Portuguese language course for beginners from 10 June to 26 July (Monday to Friday) from 6.30 to 8.30 pm. Tel: 417772. (GT) THE AGUADA BAR: The Captain of Ports has notified that until further notice the Aguada Bar shall remain closed for all Inland Traffic Vessels with effect from midnight of May 21. It is also notified that the Lighthouses of Malim, Campal, Tejo Front and Tejo Rear, Reis Magos and Aguada Beacon will cease functioning with effect from midnight of June 1, until further notice. This is due to the period of foul season in Goa from the midnight of May 21 to September 15. MOTHER TERESA MAY BE BEATIFIED WITHIN A YEAR: Mother Teresa of Calcutta could be beatified as soon as next spring, "Il Messaggero" reported, quoting unnamed sources at the Vatican's congregation for the cause of saints. (H) RESERVE BANK OF INDIA vide A.P.(DIR Series) Circular No.28 dtd March 4, 2002 have notified the closure of NRNR and NRSR schemes w.e.f. 1 April, 2002. From 1 April, 2002 NRNR (Non-Resident Non Repatriable) deposits are fully repatriable. Existing balances of NRNR deposits will be allowed to be continued upto the date of maturity and upon maturity the same shall be cre
Re: [Goanet] re: Scientific Method
>From: "santoshhelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Goanet] re: Scientific Method >Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 05:24:29 - >The closest that somebody has come to saying something like >that are VHP types who have claimed that Vedas contain scientifically >accurate statements, such as the exact value for the speed of light. Actually the VHP only parrots what others say. Nobel prize winners like Romain Rolland have said a lot about the Vedas and whatever. Let me ask you have you ever read the Vedas ? Do you know Sanskrit ? Also, all this talk about logic and science and proof. There are so many things in this world which science hasn't yet discovered. But that does not mean it does not exist. Intuition, gut feeling, sixth sense and whatever else you may call it does exist but unfortunately science lacks in being able to prove it. Similarly, there are some things which are beyond proof. They are simply there you cannot deny it. To quote someone I love and respect dearly : "Its the logic that instills the faith! Its the logic that breaks the faith! e.g. One has faith in antibiotics for curing illness based on the logic, since it did so in the past. Also the same faith is broken by the logic again when one knows that antibiotics are harmful in the long run for the body. There is another type of faith that transcends logic. This comes from the gut feeling, which no logic can make or break. It is from a deeper dimension of Existence." Jesus was asked to prove that he is the son of God. He said nothing. Does that mean he wasn't the son of God ? Somethings are beyond proof and this is just one of them. Also why should the son of God try to prove that he is the son of God if he does not desire to do so ? If a person has a deep pain in his leg and is asked to prove it, can he do so without a reasonable doubt ? So does that mean he does not have the pain ? Somethings just exist because they simply do. All this talk of logic and science is a failure because it is all based on assumptions. When the assumptions crumble the scientific theorams crash. So what then is the worth of all this ? Yes, it is worth a lot. But not everything. There is something beyond and that is God. And God cannot be caged by organised religion or science. Now have I let loose the flood gates for a whole barrage of flames from science supporters or organised religion supporters ? ;-) Cheers, Sunila _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
Re: [Goanet] re: Scientific Method
>From: "santoshhelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Goanet] re: Scientific Method >Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 05:24:29 - >The closest that somebody has come to saying something like >that are VHP types who have claimed that Vedas contain scientifically >accurate statements, such as the exact value for the speed of light. Actually the VHP only parrots what others say. Nobel prize winners like Romain Rolland have said a lot about the Vedas and whatever. Let me ask you have you ever read the Vedas ? Do you know Sanskrit ? Also, all this talk about logic and science and proof. There are so many things in this world which science hasn't yet discovered. But that does not mean it does not exist. Intuition, gut feeling, sixth sense and whatever else you may call it does exist but unfortunately science lacks in being able to prove it. Similarly, there are some things which are beyond proof. They are simply there you cannot deny it. To quote someone I love and respect dearly : "Its the logic that instills the faith! Its the logic that breaks the faith! e.g. One has faith in antibiotics for curing illness based on the logic, since it did so in the past. Also the same faith is broken by the logic again when one knows that antibiotics are harmful in the long run for the body. There is another type of faith that transcends logic. This comes from the gut feeling, which no logic can make or break. It is from a deeper dimension of Existence." Jesus was asked to prove that he is the son of God. He said nothing. Does that mean he wasn't the son of God ? Somethings are beyond proof and this is just one of them. Also why should the son of God try to prove that he is the son of God if he does not desire to do so ? If a person has a deep pain in his leg and is asked to prove it, can he do so without a reasonable doubt ? So does that mean he does not have the pain ? Somethings just exist because they simply do. All this talk of logic and science is a failure because it is all based on assumptions. When the assumptions crumble the scientific theorams crash. So what then is the worth of all this ? Yes, it is worth a lot. But not everything. There is something beyond and that is God. And God cannot be caged by organised religion or science. Now have I let loose the flood gates for a whole barrage of flames from science supporters or organised religion supporters ? ;-) Cheers, Sunila _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
goanet-digest V1 #3995
goanet-digest Tuesday, May 21 2002 Volume 01 : Number 3995 - In this issue: Re: [Goanet] Sunila's MESSAGE Re: [Goanet] Sunila's MESSAGE Re: [Goanet] re: Scientific Method See end of digest for information on subscribing/unsusbcribing. -- Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:12:53 +0400 From: "Sunila Muzawar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Sunila's MESSAGE >From: "J. Almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Goanet] Sunila's MESSAGE >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:23:10 -0700 (PDT) > >Sunila writes: >"If you actually look at the custodians >of organised religion you will find a whole horde of >perverts ranging from >paedophiles and child/female abusers to drug addicts >to violence >recommenders to revenge fanatics to racists to basic >cheats and liars and >egoistic chauvinists. And most people actually follow >them blindly" > >I fully agree with Sunila that we should not overlook >the failings of the custodians of organized religion. >I do not have access to survey findings on these >questions, but my hunch is that the incidence rate of >sin among them is no lower than in the general >population. When it comes to strong behavioural >predispositions such as child abuse, such people might >plausibly even gravitate towards positions of trust in >society (scout leaders, teachers, doctors, therapists >of various sorts, priests etc.) Let's not put any >human being on a pedestal. I am glad you said that. And that is exactly why I don't believe in organised religion. I have no problem with people following Jesus, Krishna or Allah. But why does a person following Jesus need to swear allegiance to the Vatican Church ? Why does a person following Krishna allow himself to be brainwashed by the VHP ? And why does a persona following Allah become a terrorist ? Christ said I am the only way. Krishna said leave everything including your race & religion and surrender to me. Buddha said there is only one path and that is what I preach. Why do we think they are separate entities ? Why can't we believe that they are the same Almighty manifesting in different forms at different times ? After all, all religions preach that God is one !!! Why is there a need to create rigid structures and construct huge walls to divide society in order for a group or groups of people to attain power by using religion as a tool, until the whole thing becomes a sordid affair sogged with violence, murder, plunder and crime ? >Sunila also wrote: >"if all in India gave up their religion, everyone >would >focus on real issues like the economy, education, >infrastructure, health, >sanitation, and development" > >Politicians are supposed to focus on such real and >important issues (I would add law and order at the top >of the list, if Sunila permits). However, even >anti-religious politicians could include: I don't agree with you Joel. Politicians like priests are a reflection of society. They will only deal with issues that they think are dear to people. Religion, caste, and such communal divides have a lot of emotional appeal. The politicians exploit this emotional appeal to create vote banks and to gain power. How can we expect them to focus on important issues instead of religion and caste when we allow them to manipulate us in this way? It is only when we give importance to issues like corruption, law and order (I agree with including that :-)), education, health, etc. and when elections are fought on such issues that we will see better governance. A recent example is unfolding in Goa. There is absolutely no doubt that Manohar Parrikar's Govt. has been the best Govt. we have had in the last thirty years at least. He has achieved a lot in a year. Many of us including myself do think that he could have achieved more, but it is a fact that he has achieved much more than others. Nobody can deny that. One cannot regard him as communal. His party, the BJP is an openly communal party. But then the Congress is also a communal party although it does so covertly. And the MGP and the other political parties are overwhelmingly communal and casteist. Almost all the Congress candidates are habitual defectors, totally corrupt and incompetent. But many people are ready to ignore that and bring them back to power because of their religious and communal leanings and fears. How can we then expect these elected candidates to give us better governance when we have not voted them to power to give us precisely that ? Why can we not actually ignore the political parties and vote for the right candidate ? Why can't we ignore religious leanings and communal and casteist divides and vote for better governance ? But if one says that, one is accused of siding with the saffron. But whether one sides with the saffron or the green (assumin
