Re: [Goanet] Voice Of The Exploited
Gilbert seems to have difficulty differentiating between personal freedom of expression and government sanctioned propaganda. First of all, contrary to what Gilbert claims, the KKK, Aryan Nation and other white supremist groups are free to express their opinions in the United States - and thankfully so. There is nothing in the US constitution that prevents them from expressing their ideas so long as they do not engage in physical or verbal threats against other entities. In fact, such organizations have used their rights to public access to enable them to broadcast their propaganda on TV (check your local public access TV - they are quite amusing to watch and make the BJP's Goa's Freedom Struggle propaganda crap look very upscale). Furthermore, libel laws in the US are very weak and have rarely been successfully used to prosecute such individuals. In most cases, individuals from these various organizations have been found guilty of specfic crimes which has resulted in successful legal action being filed against them. This cannot be compared to state sanctioned propaganda, such as the BJP's Goa's freedom struggle video. Conversely, the movie Sins cannot be clubbed with the above because it has no government involvement. Furthermore, just because a few right wing christian extremists may find this movie offensive, does not make it communal either. This behavior is not too different from that of the Sh*t Sena who have opposed the release of movies they considered offensive to their culture or religion. Is there really a difference between them and Gilbert's attitude? Marlon --- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GL responds to Santosh: The KKK in the USA used to put out in word, in print and in movies a lot of fictional material about blacks and Jews. No amount of responses, civil protests and civil-right laws could end the hatred and the violence - similar to India. --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilbert, To what part of my post are you responding? Are you comparing fiction writers with KKK members? Are writers who base their fiction on factual situations concerning living individuals and existing institutions no different from racist bigots? I must say that I am more confused than ever about what exactly it is that you are saying with regard to your original claim that fiction writing should not be based on factual situations involving living individuals or existing institutions. I also do not know whether you want unpleasant facts about them to be reported at all or not. I hope you could clarify these points before raising new ones. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet]Goa Cabinet to decide on fresh date for trust motion
Cabinet to decide on fresh date for trust motion NT News Service He further said that todays event proved that the BJP did not care for the law and the Constitution and that its leadership could go to any extent to hang on to power. By hook or by crook! now its crystal clear, why they want to cling on to power They know alot of skeletons are about to come from their cupboard once the CBI is brought back into the state... Its time to throw the thieves out! yes you heared it right, thieves!! who make merry on tax-payers cost. Cheers, Seb
[Goanet]Budget and Aviation
1. http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=65642 Patel hints at lowering ATF tax For the big hopes that had been built prior to the Budget, the sector received only a minor reprieve with the government deciding to treat ATF as a deemed export item for designated carriers flying abroad. - 2. http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=84019 Waiver on withholding lease rentals welcome CAPT GR GOPINATH . the finance minister's decision to extend the exemption, from withholding taxes, on lease rentals is a welcome step.. However, we would have been happier if the finance minister had chosen to extend this exemption beyond September 30 --
Re: [Goanet] Caste and Gender Preference
--- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There appear at least two schools of political philosophical thought in these matters. The first, is 'politics of envy' which suggests that those who fight for justice should disclose their own background so others can see if they are motivated by envy... .. The 'politics of justice' which I favor is Rawlsian (as in the late John Rawls who used to teach at Harvard). It suggests that those who fight justice do so because that is what the principles of justice require. George, There is also the Politics of Guilt. The brahmin fights casteism because he feels guilty and responsible for what he has wrought on the dalits. Perhaps, it diminishes his fight, and brings it in parity with that of the latter. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Small Mercies indeed!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are indeed fortunate. We at least have a choice about which set of thieves to pick to rule over us! Tonybab, well said. Sad but true. Between a Rock and a Hard Place. Between those who thief 957 crores and those who thief 1000 crores. Atleast there is a choice. and Hope. That this time around They will thief only 900 crores and leave 57 crores more for a few roads, road lights etc cheers jc _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet]Re: Will the anti-casters identify thems
Dear Alf, Thanks for the vital info. You see I was born in Ponje, and during my days in Ponje caste was rarely discusssed. My dad was a social and he got along with all. Hindu and Cathloics ani matti gobor. I am learning about the casta only on these lists. B. Colaco But just touching about 'Zuamkars': 'zuem', the Portuguese 'jus' means an islet/island. Hence, the term refers to the inhabitants of islands: St. Estevao/Chorao, Divar, Comarjua, Rachol and a few others. Alfred de Tavares, Stockholm, Sweden. 0046 8 759 6214
Re: [Goanet] Voice Of The Exploited
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GL responds to Santosh: The KKK in the USA used to put out in word, in print and in movies a lot of fictional material about blacks and Jews. No amount of responses, civil protests and civil-right laws could end the hatred and the violence - similar to India. Gilbert, To what part of my post are you responding? Are you comparing fiction writers with KKK members? Are writers who base their fiction on factual situations concerning living individuals and existing institutions no different from racist bigots? That is why we do not see KKK in USA. My perception is different from yours. I hear of KKK rallies being held in many towns in the U.S. quite regularly. Just last month there were news reports about KKK recruitment efforts in Indiana. As I am typing this there is reporting on CNN about a white supremacist who is alleged to have been involved in the murder of the parents of a judge in Chicago. I must say that I am more confused than ever about what exactly it is that you are saying with regard to your original claim that fiction writing should not be based on factual situations involving living individuals or existing institutions. I also do not know whether you want unpleasant facts about them to be reported at all or not. I hope you could clarify these points before raising new ones. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]East Bengal end first phase on top
East Bengal end first phase on top March 01, 2005 20:38 IST East Bengal scored a hard-fought 2-1 victory over Sporting Clube De Goa in a 11th round match of the National Football League, at the Nehru stadium in Margao, Goa, on Tuesday. After a barren first-half, which saw both teams miss chances, East Bengal took the lead in 55th minute when Climax Lawrence guided the ball home from close after Bhutia provided the ball to him. Sporting then equalized through their star striker Dudu Omagbemi in the 61st minute through a penalty. The goal took Omagbemi's individual goal tally to seven, the same as Baichung Bhutia and Climax Lawrence. Dempo's Ranty Martins is the leading scorers with eight goals. The penalty was awarded by referee Rizwan-ul-Haq after Earnest Jeremiah bought down by Adewusi Adebayo, who had advanced with the ball into the box. Bhutia, who missed at least four chances, was instrumental in the second goal also when he provided the ball to Jeremiah, who slotted the it home following a flag-kick taken by Alvito D'Cunha from the left. East Bengal, who finished the first phase of their league engagements, lead the table with 24 points from 11 matches, four ahead of second-placed Dempo. Sporting Clube, who are placed sixth, have 13 points from seven matches.
[Goanet]Cecil and Gender Preference
From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] In principle I agree. For example despite being straight I am a great supporter of gay and lesbian rights. But the quandary I face is that by identifying myself as being straight am I in some way suggesting I am 'superior' to someone who is gay? From Naresh Fernandes, Mumbai Jazz Goes To Bollywood I also did an interesting interview with Emiliano DCruz, who played Latin American music in several Mumbai nightclubs with a group that initially called itself Emiliano and his Gay Caballeros until the leader, whose grasp on English slang was only tenuous because hed grown up speaking Portuguese, finally realised the implication of the adjective. Kitem mhuntai re Tio Alfredo de Sveridge? jc http://www.colaco.net PS: just read George Pinto's posting on caste. A very interesting post. Makes ample sense to me. Let's see what the responses will be _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet]Re: Will the anti-casters identify themselves?
--- Teotonio R. de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Gabriel, No amount of education is ever too much. Your reaction sounds more like cognitive dissonance of someone who hates to hear what hurts his / her feelings or what threatens his/her well-being. Let us not forget that there are many others who would benefit from more knowledge. The great problem with many of our discussions is lack of sufficient knowledge. More respect can follow from more knowledge / education, never from less knowledge or ignorance about the other. Your father / you deserve more credit if you respected some individuals despite their inherited social labels. That is how we need to move. Teotonio R. de Souza Dear Teotonio and others, My outburst was a result of pent-up feelings. A couple of days ago, I had to explain to a relation why I was friends with a person of not exactly of a high-class parentage. I hope this explains that I am not fed up with the discussion per se, but with the existence of such class demarcations that come in the way of developing relationships between peoples of different backgrounds. IMHO, knowledge of another person's inherited social label is irrelevant in this world. It is what one does (the quality of work, not the type of work itself) that is to be valued, not by what label or surname one has inherited. Please don't misunderstand me on this statement. And as you affirm, the way one ought to move is to respect a person regardless of his social status, inherited or otherwise. Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Goa: I took oath as Speaker, says Sardinha
I took oath as Speaker, says Sardinha NT Staff Reporter Panaji March 1: The pro-tem Speaker, Mr Francisco Sardinha today observed that he had full powers of Speaker and said that he had been administered oath as Speaker. Mr Sardinha, who took charge of the office today morning, started functioning from his office as chairman of the budget committee. He then went to chamber of the Speaker along with the legislature secretary, Mr Sudhir Narvekar and occupied it. Mr Sardinha told the reporters that he had full powers of the Speaker. He even cited provision to the effect as laid down in the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of the Goa Legislative Assembly. Rule 13 of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct of the Goa Legislative Assembly describes the powers of deputy speaker and presiding member as: Deputy Speaker or any member of the Assembly, when presiding over the assembly shall have the same powers as the Speaker when so presiding and all reference to the Speaker in these rules shall be deemed to be references to the Deputy Speaker or to the member so presiding, as the case may be. The Speaker ordered the assembly secretariat staff to take inventory of the documents, files and other items in the chamber. He told the reporters that this was being done to ensure that every thing were recorded to avoid any controversy in view of the allegations by the Bharatiya Janata Party that attempt was made to ransack the office of the Speaker yesterday. Replying to a question whether any disqualification petition was filed against the Cortalim legislator, Mr Mathany Saldanha, he said that he had not received any such petition. Mr Sardinha further said that he would see that the House functioned as per the norms. I will ensure that discipline and decorum of the House is maintained, he added.
[Goanet]Re: Caste and Gender Preference
--- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... being straight I am a great supporter of gay and lesbian rights. But the quandary I face is that by identifying myself as being straight am I in some way suggesting I am 'superior' to someone who is gay? Am I being condescending in my approach? On the other hand if I don't clearly indicate my gender preference will my 'voice' be less convincing as I am not stating my personal preference in these matters? Cecil and others There appear at least two schools of political philosophical thought in these matters. The first, is 'politics of envy' which suggests that those who fight for justice should disclose their own background so others can see if they are motivated by envy. This theory is often used by those in power or who like the status quo to question the motives of those who oppose them. We have seen this when the rich oppose tax increases by saying it's them envious poor folks who want our money. In the caste situation, Teotonio and others asked the anti-casteists to disclose their caste so one can tell if they were really the so-called low-castes and therefore opposed (were envious of) the so-called high-castes. This is somewhat similar to the theory in literary criticism which suggests it is important to know the author's background to see where he/she is coming from, which presumably helps to better understand the literary work. The 'politics of justice' which I favor is Rawlsian (as in the late John Rawls who used to teach at Harvard). It suggests that those who fight justice do so because that is what the principles of justice require. I am very much simplifying his view here and will ignore the justification of how he got there - the Original Position and Veil of Ignorance. It pays no attention to who is fighting for justice but solely to the issue. Men can fight sexism, etc. We have seen in recent times, some white people in the USA oppose racism as much as African-Americans do. Having chosen a principle of justice (discrimination is wrong), they stand for it regardless of whether they are white, black, men, women, gay, straight, etc. One can go a step further - the white person's fight for justice is no more noble than the African-American's fight for justice which is unlike the 'politics of envy' which suggests that the brahmin's anti-caste crusade is more significant than the dalit's anti-caste crusade since the brahmin has something to lose and the dalit something to gain. In your example, it does not matter whether one is straight or gay in the fight for sexual equality. Clearly my bias is 'politics of justice'. Regardless of who we are, we need to oppose discrimination and fight for justice. This is one reason why I refused to answer Teotonio's caste question. This is why it should not matter if you are straight or gay in your fight for sexual justice. There is another twist - what if someone was bi-sexual, the 'politics of envy' does not work using your gay/straight dicotomy, but the 'politics of justice' does, another reason to adopt the latter. Regards, George
RE: [Goanet] Small Mercies!
Tony Correia-Afonso, which set of thieves Do you really think this sort of language is appropriate? Could you please re-phrase it? Cip UK -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01 March 2005 22:47 We are indeed fortunate. There are millions of people around the world living under tyranical regimes who have no choice about the people who rule over them. We at least have a choice about which set of thieves to pick to rule over us! ---Tony Correia-Afonso.
[Goanet]Another chaos in Goa drama (TOI)
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1037504.cms Another chaos in Goa dramaAdd to Clippings TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ TUESDAY, MARCH 01, 2005 10:49:00 PM PANAJI: The political imbroglio in Goa took an interesting turn when employees of the assembly secretariat and the Speaker's office frantically hunted for the keys of the Speaker's table's drawer in his chamber. Around 5.30 pm, the drawer was broken open in the presence of police officials and the secretariat staff. On Monday, governor S C Jamir had appointed Francisco Sardinha as pro tem Speaker, after former Speaker and his deputy resigned.
[Goanet]Voice Of The Exploited
GL responds to Santosh: The KKK in the USA used to put out in word, in print and in movies a lot of fictional material about blacks and Jews. No amount of responses, civil protests and civil-right laws could end the hatred and the violence - similar to India. In the USA, this has stopped now! Because the civil right movement and the Jewish lawyers went after these groups with libel law suits. They went after not the perpetrators of the violence (the house-burners, the lynchers, gun slingers etc.). They went after their civil leaders and those that produced the fictional material and the movies. They won big - money wise! That is why we do not see KKK in USA. That appears to be the civilized way to stop invented story and crimes based on hate and imaginary tales put out by those under 'freedom of expression'. Pay for your expression with MONEY! Don't you love it? :=)) Can all those who hate the caste and religious violence in India join and do/support something similar. Yes, RSS! They can be confronted - in the court of law! Sooner or later they (leaders) will have to pay with jail and / or money. Regards, GL Santosh: That is a question to be asked of lawyers who specialize in libel law. I do not know how to answer it. But I think any professional fiction writer can seek legal help before publishing his/her fictional stories to ensure that they are not subject to litigation under libel law. Gilbert Lawrence wrote: Hi Santosh, But you did not answer my honest question. Where does fiction end and libel begin?
Re: [Goanet]Landing feet first!
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:21:06 -0500, Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Natacha Romao wrote: hi goan friends i'm natacha and i'm from portugal. ... Natacha: I felt at home and since then i wish to go linving in goa, i was saving money and i have already my plane ticket without date. Cecil: This is a very tricky issue. Please contact Eddie Fernandes and Gabe Menezes regarding a date on your ticket. Tourist Visas don't allow you to stay for more than four weeks. Cheers, RESPONSE: I believe one can obtain a three month Visa, i.e. the Visa has to be availed within three months. This visa is good for a stay of 6 months - again this is a guess on my part. This Visa is good if travel is made by a scheduled Air line. If travelling by Charter Air line then the Visa although good for 6 months is superseded by Indian Government Law which stipulates a stay of not more than 4 weeks. I hope what I have written is correct -if not I shall stand corrected Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]RE: Landing feet first - easy now!!!!
From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tourist Visas don't allow you to stay for more than four weeks. Dear Cecil, Your posting was very amusing indeed. I hope Natacha read it as such. If she is new to this forum and/or if she isn't aware that Cecil Pinto is a brilliant humourist, she just might become hyper-anxious with the above statement from Cecil Pinto. Natacha, if you are reading this message: Tourist Visas to India are available for a MAXIMUM of 6 months stay at a time. Most scheduled Airlines (including Air India) have specially priced return tickets valid for 120 days stay. regards jc http://www.colaco.net _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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Police raid houses of BJP leaders in Goa (LEAD)
http://in.news.yahoo.com//050301/43/2jwxe.html
Panaji, March 1 (IANS) The Goa police Tuesday raided the houses of
Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) legislator Sadanand Shet, party
general-secretary Satish Dhond and Rajendra Janu in connection with
a case of forgery. None of them could be arrested since they were
not at home.
All three are accused of forging Deputy Chief Minister Filipe Neri
Rodrigues' signature on a membership form of the BJP. Rodrigues, an
independent legislator, was disqualified from the Goa assembly
membership Monday under anti-defection laws.
Rodrigues had earlier filed a police complaint stating that his
signature was forged on the BJP membership form and that he was
never a member of the party. He had also named several BJP leaders
in his complaint.
o Sardinha named pro-tem Speaker
o It's still advantage Congress, says Gomantak Times. Paper
says there is a general belief that for once the BJP's
think-tank has slipped up ... (to commit) a virtual hara-kiri
of sorts.
o Cong, BJP in war of allegations. BJP says Sardinha and deputy
CM Filipe Neri Rodrigues, accompanied by his advocate Mahesh
Sonak, attempted to enter the Speaker's office and
ransack the documents pertaining to the disqualification of Neri.
Interim Speaker Sardinha denied he had even gone anywhere
near the office. Congress' Isidore Fernandes said he did
not rule out the possibility of the outgoing Speaker removing
documents pertaining to the forgery case filed by Neri against
BJP leaders. (GT)
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ISSUES THAT MATTER TO GOA
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o Garcina Indica, the bin'na (or kokum) fruit will be the subject
of a national seminar in Goa on March 4-5. Some campaigners like
Dr Ajit Shirodkar (alumni, Purdue) have been long promoting Goa
as a place with a lot of potential for the humble bin'na that grows
wild on the hillsides in the summers.
o Goa's local history seminar will be held at the Goa archives on
March 4-5. The first day will focus on 'Women of Goa through the
ages', with the second taking a look at 'Currency and coins of
Goa'. Venue Goa Archives, Conference Hall, near Fundacao Oriente/
People's High School in Fontainhas/Mala. (Source Nandkumar Kamat)
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VILLAGE GOA
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o ALDONA saw the body of 60-year-old Agnelo Rumaldo Lobo lying
near his residence in Quitula. (GT)
o AMONA-KHANDOLA bridge has been thrown open to the public.
It will make Sanquelim 8 kms closer to Panjim, a thousand
vehicles are expected to ply daily on the Rs 30 crore bridge. (H)
o BANDORA to host legal aid camp on March 5. (GT)
o CALANGUTE has invited tenders for lifting of garbage,
sweeping, cleaning and washing the existing market; and also
cleaning of the street starting from the Bandodkar Statue
upto the Calangute panchayat, in front of and around the
Shanta Durga Temple, and Saturday market.
o CHINCHINIM zilla parishad between centered around
sitting member Joseph Assis Dias and former Chinchinim
sarpanch Valentino Caitano Barreto. (GT)
o POINGUINIM (comprising of Cotiga, Loliem-Polem and
Poinguinim villages) is seeing sitting ZP member
Pranali Bhat optimistic of getting re-elected. (GT)
o ST ANDRE (Goa Velha) village panchayat has announced that
agents of ads/hoardings have to pay their current taxes. Failure
to do so in 15 days will lead to the boards removal. (GT)
o VERNA village panchayat has advertised for 100 street lights,
40 watt single tube fixtures with tube choke and starter of
'Eyelite' make -- strange to see tenders called for brand names!
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PEOPLE IN THE NEWS
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o DR EMIDIO AFONSO's fourth memorial lecturial will be held on
March 6, 10 am at Mandovi
[Goanet]Landing feet first!
Natacha Romao wrote: hi goan friends i'm natacha and i'm from portugal. Cecil: Hi Natacha. Welcome to GoaNet. I live in Miramar and work in Panjim, Goa. But I'm originally from a village in Bardez. But Fred Noronha, who is an Administrator on this list, says if I mention my village and my surname I am trying to reveal my caste. Since I am a non-practicing Catholic I find this most amusing. I have teamed up with Mario Alvares who has a genealogy website (www.goan.name). We are adding a subsection where you just enter your surname and your original village and your caste is revealed. We have a subsection for about-to-be-married people where for a fee we will change your caste. We Goans will play football, work and fornicate with people of all castes but only at the time of marriage does caste become all-important. Do you have a caste? Are there castes in Portugal? -- Natacha: In the 2003 i was in goa and it was the most beautifull place that i ever seen. Cecil: Nothing much has changed in two years - except for Governors and Chief Ministers. It still is the most beautiful place in the world. But then I'm hardly qualified to comment as I've not been anywhere outside of India. And I spend most of my life in Bardez and Tiswadi. Is there a difference between people from North Portugal and South Portugal like we have here between North And South Goans? Do you know I can become a Portuguese Citizen if I want to - but I don't want to. - Natacha: I felt at home and since then i wish to go linving in goa, i was saving money and i have already my plane ticket without date. Cecil: This is a very tricky issue. Please contact Eddie Fernandes and Gabe Menezes regarding a date on your ticket. Tourist Visas don't allow you to stay for more than four weeks. Besides as a foreign national you will be charged double of what Indians are charged in India. And if you're planning to live in South Goa you can't even hire a motorcycle pilot without the Tourist Taxi Drivers threatening to bash you up. Do you have tour operators who cheat in Portugal? Do you have motorcycle pilots in Portugal? Do the Portuguese regret bringing the Caju plant (hence Feni) to Goa instead of taking it to Portugal and enjoying the Nectar of Life themselves? -- Natacha í'm trying to find a job or a project where i can feet because i want to do more then just staying, i really want to make a life there. Cecil: Well there's Big Foot in Loutolim. And of course all the major footwear brands - Nike, Bata, Adidas, Liberty... have official distributors here in Goa. I'm not sure if they're recruiting but I can ask around. Why this obsession with feet though? -- Natacha: i'm a journalist in portugal but when i was in india i was doing social work at CYDA in Pune. if someone has something for me please let me know. iu are so lucky to be from a so beautifull spot as goa is. Cecil: If you send me more details about yourself and your preferences I would be glad to help you find a position here. Please post it directly here on GoaNet so that others too an help you in your search. - Natacha: regards and kisses. Natacha Romao [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cecil: Namaste and cheers! Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] = *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Re: ZATHI ANI KATHI GOEMKARAM MODEM
Re: ZATHI ANI KATHI GOEMKARAM MODEM Literally the title translated into English as 'Caste Colour Among Goans', this article by Sanny Vaz, ex-Monte de Guirim student (also well known as Sanny de Quepem) is very enlightening and focused on the subject from the chambers to the .. ! Hope as suggested in your penultimate paragraph he/they get the message. Specially those who churn out litanies to reflect their vent on their own follies of not 'liberating' their thoughts into 'actions' and bitterly lamenting that they are the victims of their times (pre and post Portuguese era) for not owning a 'cycle', gets a 'luxurious' round wheeling around the whirlpool of Sanny Vaz's writing abilities and clarity in thought, instead of the sapatoes he/they have been encountered with in not so houseful situations! Sanny Vaz, keep up the good work. I liked the penultimate paragraph: Quote: . zaum thodem xinkop assa tuka, tujea dusman sezarea thaim respedan vagonk xink, tanem dukor (pig) marla mhunon tum vagh (tiger) marunk chintinaka, anik zorui tor hem tuje laguim godonam zalear tum xinkon bruth (ignorant). Sanny Vaz. VIVA GOA ANI VIVA KONKANI. Unquote. Hopefully a virus fender-bandit will shun the ungrateful and wayward attitude in the real Christian spirit of the Lent season. Already I have feelers that he/they are categorized into the 'Kimasao' group for the postings forwarded. Khorench! AlmeidaG(ji) www.goa-world.com *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
Re: [Goanet]New research on * Goan MP's in the Portuguese Parliament*
Dear Teotonio, Purxotoma Quenim was never a resident of Portugal, where he came only (or mostly) during the functioning of the Assembleia Nacional (Portuguese Parliament). As such, he had nothing to do with the Comissariado do Estado da India which, as you know, was instituted by Salazar after the integration of Goa, Daman and Diu in the Republic of India, while (see later) Quenim relinquished his membership of the Portuguese Parliament at the time of that integration in 1961. Quenim did his secondary studies at the Liceu of Panjim, studied law privately and obtained a lawyer's licence, but at the same time took care of his family's commercial and industrial affairs. In 1955 he was made member of the Legislative Council of Portuguese India, where his voice was heard with much interest by the other members and by the Governor General, until in 1958 he became one of the two representatives of Portuguese India at the Parliament in Lisbon. In this organ also his arguments about the administration and on behalf of the development of those territories were much appreciated. He ceased those functions of Deputado upon the takeover of Goa, Daman and Diu by India in December 1961. - Together with his brother, father and uncles he built the Hotel Mandovi in Panjim, concluded in 1952. - Taken ill to Bombay late in 1977, he died there on the night from the 13th to the 14th of March, 1978. The funeral was held in Panjim e constituiu uma sentida manifestacao de pesar, as related then in a Portuguese-language magazine which was then published in Panjim. Jorge - Original Message - From: Teotonio R. de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 11:24 AM Dear Jorge / Livia, Thanks for clarifying how the candidates for Estado da India were chosen from Portuguese Africa, even after it was liberated in 1961. Was Purxottam Quenim already one of the half dozen Hindus like Coissoró settled in Portugal before 1961? *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
RE: [Goanet]JOB VACANCY - IN DUBAI
hi is there any vacany for IT support personnel or computer administrator thanks Avinash Carneiro *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Caste and Creed
Having read the recent discourse,I am posting this article for the benefit of all.We need to move beyond our caste and creed. Caste is an accident of birth. Jesus did not believe in caste or division.On the contrary,he reached out to the downtrodden and the outcastes.So it lies in each one of us to move towards a casteless society. Vasant Baliga Moving Beyond Definitions Over-Identifying With Labels As humans, we possess the tendency to name and categorize things. This applies to everything from plants and animals to styles to ourselves and others. Everyone who walks the earth carries or has carried some label, such as white, old, artist, animal lover, parent, child, or liberal, that either they themselves or others used to define them. While labels can help us form useful first impressions, they can also act as a thick filter between the world and ourselves. Expectations are derived from labels. When we begin to define others in terms of their profession, looks, wealth, or political background, it becomes harder to accept them unconditionally. And when we define ourselves with strict labels, we limit ourselves and our potential by effectively pigeonholing our identities. The challenge lies in finding a balance between that which defines us and our evolving natures. We first learn who we are when we are children. Identity is forged by society, which labels us so-and-so's children, a boy or a girl, a reader or a jock, or shy or outgoing. This is natural, considering that characterizing others upon first meeting is an automatic process. But when we regard these initial impressions as unchangeable, we deny the fact that we are all blessed with roles that can change from one day to the next or exist simultaneously with other roles. It is possible to be both a parent and an artist and a runner and a businesswoman. If you were to choose a single role, such as artist, it would limit the paths you could take. If you were, however, to say, I am a creative person, though that creativity is sometimes blocked, it would open new avenues of exploration because you could express your creativity in many ways. People are so much more than what they do or what they have done and all people are potentially capable of taking on a new identity or letting go of an old one because of emotional or environmental factors. You may choose to be a strong-willed executive in one moment in time and a nurturing parent in another. Yet you remain wholly you. Though labels can be a good stepping off point, they are no substitute for understanding who we really are. If everyone was encouraged to look beyond labels, open-mindedness and tolerance would be the inevitable result. *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Police raid houses of BJP leaders in Goa
Police raid houses of BJP leaders in Goa (LEAD) --Indo-Asian News Service Panaji, March 1 (IANS) The Goa police Tuesday raided the houses of Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) legislator Sadanand Thanawade, party general-secretary Satish Dhond and Rajendra Janu in connection with a case of forgery. None of them could be arrested since they were not at home. All three are accused of forging Deputy Chief Minister Filipe Neri Rodrigues' signature on a membership form of the BJP. Rodrigues, an independent legislator, was disqualified from the Goa assembly membership Monday under anti-defection laws. Rodrigues had earlier filed a police complaint stating that his signature was forged on the BJP membership form and that he was never a member of the party. He had also named several BJP leaders in his complaint. The developments followed the dramatic resignation of Speaker Vishwas Satarkar and his deputy Narhari Haldankar Monday when Chief Minister Pratapsing Rane's government was to prove its majority on the floor of the house. Both Satarkar and Haldankar are affiliated to BJP. Now the Congress party of Rane has to bring back Rodrigues if it has to win the trust vote. Both the Congress and the BJP have 17 members each in the house and with the Congress' Francisco Sardinha taking over as speaker Monday, the former would be in a minority. The Congress also wants United Goans Democratic Party (UGDP) member Matanhy Saldanha disqualified so it can have a clear victory in the trust vote. Saldanha is backing the BJP while the party is with the Congress. UGDP chief Radharao Gracias has filed a petition for disqualification against Saldanha for backing the BJP against the party's wishes. The Goa governor, a Congress leader from the northeast, had dismissed the BJP government of Manohar Parrikar Feb 2, after it won a test of strength by one vote in the absence of a legislator who was asked out of the house by the speaker just before voting. Indo-Asian News Service For clarifications/queries, please contact IANS NEWS DESK at 2616-5778/8546, 2617-3369 or mail us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. Konkani Drama NOORA by Micheal D'Silva under the auspices of United Friends Club-Kuwait on 8th April 2005. For details, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pick of the week: http://www.goa-world.com/goa/pintofamily/ *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Small Mercies!
We are indeed fortunate. There are millions of people around the world living under tyranical regimes who have no choice about the people who rule over them. We at least have a choice about which set of thieves to pick to rule over us! ---Tony Correia-Afonso. *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Death by the River Sal
The text below has details of a murder that took place recently. Please do not read further if you are squeamish about corpses. -Clinton.. Pulvaddo, Benaulim, Goa - India 01st March 2005 10.45pm Across the river Sal, two bridges span its banks linking the city of Margao to Benaulim. It was under one of these two bridges at around 2.30 this afternoon when a construction worker was shocked to discover that a smelling gunny bag contained a human corpse! The police were at the scene soon, but the 'show' that it had become, only started at 5.30pm. By then there was a crowd of people all around the scene as a group of Margao Colva police tried to regulate traffic and prevent people from disturbing the evidence. We watched the proceedings going on below, from the unused bridge, many curious to have a look at a gruesome sight. Road accidents and death have some morbid fascination to us Indians. Down below, the policemen and news photographers had gathered around the bag. In the typical autocratic attitude of Indian police, two hired migrant labourers to cut open the gunny bag and spread out the body. I was shocked, not to see the corpse in a fetal position but to see that the workers were working with no gloves or protective clothing. The police stood at a distance, shouting instructions to unbutton the shirt of the copse, and move stiff limbs in the hope of finding the cause of death and related clues. From what I gathered, the corpse was estimated to have been there for more than 2-3 days, and victim to be in the age group of 30-40. While most of the body was intact, the face seems disfigured, probably intentionally. There were marks of impact on the rear side of his neck while a chord was found around his neck, which could possibly suggest strangulation. He seemed to have come from a decent background as he was found wearing a gold watch, long sleeved checked shirt, dark pants, belt and sports shoes. Thought the murderer was not known, a person in the crowd seemed to suggest that the person was from Vasco and was involved in a fight with a bus conductor in Margao a few days ago. The police debated the possibility of gathering further clues at the scene of evidence or at the morgue. They joked that perhaps the limbs would come apart in the process of moving the body, so they instructed the two workers to fetch water from the river to wash of maggots as they looked from a distance. It all seemed like a farce, and I felt for the labourers in the stench and maggots. Among the crowd watching from above, I thought to myself, would he ever be identified? Would the murderer be caught? But most importantly, what about dignity for the poor lost soul? I guess the Police perhaps were so used to such scenes that they did not realize that they were poking fun at an unfortunate victim. For the people watching, it was a cheap show that provided them entertainment for the day, for the two labourers, some money to drink away the memories and smell of the job, and for me, an experience to reflect on and remind myself of the harsh realities of the societies I live in. Clinton.. Benaulim, Goa -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 2/28/2005 *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
Re: [Goanet]Re: Will the anti-casters identify themselves?
Nice try, Teotonio, but you seem determined to obfuscate the entire issue and put obstacles in the path of any progress by continuing to introduce notions that have no relevence to the issue of stamping out the caste system that I can see. In fact it caters to those that support this diabolical system or are luke warm to its abolition. What about the caste system being an integral part of the Hindu way of life versus the contradiction between Christianity and caste don't you understand? And what standing do I, as a Goan Catholic, have, to preach the abolition of the caste system to Hindus, when we have so much work to be done in our own community? I have no problem with supporting Santosh and Radhakrishnan and providing them with solidarity in any attempt they make in their community, but for you to fail to see the need to prioritize and make sequential progress is to miss the whole point, which you seem so steadfastly determined to do. My problem with Basilio's approach is that it sits back and hopes someone has enough of a change of heart to come to him for counseling. What's the big deal in that? I see this approach as a missed opportunity to be pro-active and speak out, because he has the moral authority and standing in the community and the Church, which most of the rest of us don't. --- Teotonio R. de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mario / Basilio, Perhaps I should not have joined both in the same reply, because you both have very different points of view and strategies. But I am joining the two precisely because of that. Mario wants to handle the problem of the Catholics first, and leave it to Santosh, Radhakrishnan Nair, etc to solve the problem of their Hindu community. But I believe and agree with Basilio that we have a common inheritance and the two communities still live in the same house that we call Goa, day-in and day-out! It is truly a challenge to look at it as our common problem and tackle it together. Catholic paroquial approach appears to me as doomed from the start. My second point of disagreement with Mario is his language and repeated expression driving stake in the heart. From the Catholic Inquisition that burnt persons at stake, have we now progressed to this new phase of Catholic violence? Luckily for Christ he was not a Christian, nor a Catholic! These are post-Christ inventions. Christ´s strategy is presented more truthfully by Basilio in the last three lines of his posting below. Christ preferred to expose his nakedness and to be nailed on the cross. That is where lies the power of his ressurection, not in the stakes invented by Catholic Christianity. Teotonio R. de Souza -- Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:10:27 -0800 Teotonio, Through the fog of all that feni it is beginning to dawn on me that we may be on the same page. However, while you are looking at the entire problem, I have chosen to prioritize in order to focus and make some identifiable progress. While I abhor any and all forms of discrimination based on color, caste and creed, the reason I focus on Catholic Goans is that it is this community in which I have membership and standing, and it is where I choose to take a stand. Furthermore, the caste system is at odds with the teachings of Christ and Christianity, whereas it is an integral part of the Hindu way of life. Thus, while I may abhor and denounce casteism among Hindus, I choose to leave it up to our Hindu coleagues like Santosh Helekar and Radhakrishnan Nair, who are eminently capable polemicists, to deal with their casteism. As you have seen, we have a big enough task to stamp out this insidious and destructive system in our own community. Mario Govea Three Cheers to the activists! More power to them! But do not demonize those who may ask the activists to show their cards. There are some disgruntled individuals who have taken up the cause of ³fighting caste.² Unfortunately, their disgruntlement disqualifies them as bonafide leaders to battle the scourge of caste, otherwise a worthy cause. Vociferous debates decorated with virulence do not solve anything or advance any cause. At best they provide self-gratification, and public adulation in some quarters. Vociferous discussions are not robust or intellectually rigorous. Condemnations and LOUD condemnations are exercises in pontification. My contribution to the battle against the caste: facilitate personal transformation. I only sow the seed; it is for the Lord to reap the fruits. I fully expect to be pilloried for what I have written. So be it. I may post some further thoughts if I think I have, at some point, something useful to say. Basilio Monteiro *** * G * O * A * N
[Goanet]Open wells, harvesting water
This isn't quite related to Goa, but it's simply too important to ignore. Check out these articles http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=enq=Deccan+Herald+rainwaterclub.orgmeta= on rainwater harvesting from the Bangalore-based newspaper Deccan Herald http://www.deccanherald.com/ which I once worked for. This Tuesday's article (March 1, 2005) focussed on using open wells for harvesting rain water. It said: One well can recharge ground water from 1000 sq mts of area, which means one million litres of water. It also made other relevant points. For instance, over the last 3000 years, open wells have been one of the single largest providers of water to villages and towns. Over the last 40 years, their role has got diminished thanks to the bore well culture and the unsustainable exploitation of ground water. Further facts: * As long as water was drawn by hand, the demand and withdrawal of water from the dynamic water table was sustainable * Pumping of water through electric and diesel pump-sets withdraws such large quantities that water in these wells vanish. * Once dry, the wells become garbage dumps, further polluting ground water. Here's the way forward: * Open wells have a major role to play in the artificial recharge of ground water * Rooftop rainwater and surface water flowing in storm water-drains can be filtered, the silt removed and allowed to recharge open wells * Existing wells are ideal structures for recharge. Deccan Herald says digging a new well costs Rs 8-12,000 depending on diameter and depth. Guess that should be more in a costly place like Goa. Their advice: Look for a concrete ring maker in your neighbourhood, and he should put you in touch with a well digger. Make sure contaminated water is not allowed to be recharged. For more tips, check out the Rainwater Club http://www.rainwaterclub.org/ or even talk to S Vishwanath at 23 64 16 90 or 23 53 24 35 in Bangalore. FN-Saligao, Goa d8b d8b db Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa India 88' 888o 88 f r e d @ b y t e s f o r a l l . o r g 88ooo 88V8o 88 http://www.bytesforall.org * http://fn.swiki.net 88~~~ 88 V8o88 Phone 0091.832.2409490 Mobile 09822 122436 88 88 V888 784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Sonarbhat Saligao Goa 403511 YP VP V8P Writing ... with a difference, on issues that matter *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
Re: [Goanet] Evolution (contd)
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Here are links to three articles discussing quite convincingly a creationist view point. Orlando, There is a lot of self-published pseudoscientific literature on creationism on the web and in print. It appears convincing only to believers, lay people or people who do not want to spend the time and effort to critically examine what they are saying. I give below links to scholarly articles that refute the basic arguments presented in the following articles that you provided. World Population Since Creation by Lambert Dolphin http://www.ldolphin.org/popul.html Population of the PreFlood World by Tom Pickett http://www.ldolphin.org/pickett.html Both the above articles are based on Henry Morris's flawed equations and assumptions. Here are the papers that refute them. 1. Creationists, Population Growth, Bunnies, and the Great Pyramid by David H. Milne http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/8828_issue_14_volume_4_number_4__6_23_2003.asp#Creationists,%20Population%20Growth,%20Bunnies,%20and%20the%20Great%20Pyramid 2. More on Population Growth and Creationism by James S. Monroe http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/823_issue_18_volume_6_number_2__4_29_2003.asp#More%20on%20Population%20Growth%20and%20Creationism Speed of Light Slowing Down? by Chuck Missler http://www.ldolphin.org/speedo.html The article on the speed of light as a constant (?) is specially interesting. Good food for thaught in the currentcontext. The fallacies in the above proposal are discussed in the following paper. Does the Speed of Light Slow Down Over Time? by Ronald Ebert http://www.magicdave.com/ron/Does%20the%20Speed%20of%20Light%20Slow%20Down%20Over%20Time.html Cheers, Santosh *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Caste, Communidade and Gaum Devi
Interestingly enough the Aldona Church was one of the first to unite the two caste based confrarias into one. This same progressive village though has two communidades. One for the Brahmins and one for the Chardos. They both have grandiose sounding names. I forget which is which. And all efforts to unite them meet with stiff opposition. I have often been asked to take up a position on the Committee of the Communidade but refused on principle. In conversation with a Sociology professor recently I asked him whether I could get my name stricken from the Communidade register as a protest against the caste distinction between the two. He said that there was no such thing as striking one's name off but one could just stop collecting one's zonn (Rs. 14/- in 1984 when I last collected!). And even if I did manage to strike my name off my children (and further descendants) could still reclaim the right. So it is not an alienable right, unlike say my share of the family property (if there is any!) which I can irrevocably sign off. Any comments on this? Are there ways of getting completely rid of any possible caste connections (such as Communidade mebership) permanently? On a related note. This sudden interest in discussing matters of caste openly on GoaNet is a good sign. I would suggest that interested people should not just go looking for their caste (for that just tell Fred your surname and village!) but rather go deeper and search for their gaun-devi (village goddess). Once you have identified her then pay her due obeisance and then perhaps your confused soul will be at peace. And if you say you are a Catholic and don't believe in a 'gaun-devi' then you're probably many generations removed from Goa. Most of us have at some time experienced contact with the 'gaun-devi'. For example when her name is evoked to 'remove disht' (disht kadta) even in the most staunch Catholic households. Did you seriously believe that was a Catholic religious practice? - *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Caste and Gender Preference
George Pinto makes an interesting point: Justice means we do not need to be women to fight sexism, senior-citizens to fight ageism, chardo to fight the caste system, etc. - In principle I agree. For example despite being straight I am a great supporter of gay and lesbian rights. But the quandary I face is that by identifying myself as being straight am I in some way suggesting I am 'superior' to someone who is gay? Am I being condescending in my approach? On the other hand if I don't clearly indicate my gender preference will my 'voice' be less convincing as I am not stating my personal preference in these matters? -- *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]A quick reply to your reply
Hi Gilbert, I get the distinct impression that you have taken to shouting rampantly from the rooftops at those taking an honest and conscientious anti-casteist position among Catholic Goans. Shouting is really not necessary, my good man, if one has something to say that is worthwhile. And now some responses to you: 1. Re your nearly all sasumais speak ill of their daughter-in law, irrespective of caste, please supply hard evidence/research for your statement. After all, you always, yes always, ask others to do this, so here is your chance to practice what you preach! 2. Re your daft suggestion that somehow I should like to be buried next to my parents, please note that the graves of my grandfather and father were turned over in Goa with absolutely no notification nor residual trace, in order to make space for the more recently deceased. I don't feel strongly about this at all but am clear, however, that I have a preference for cremation, anywhere I die on this good earth of ours, ideally, purged of the utter evil of man made caste which you seem to want to retain. 3 Re your point about African American self pride in their race, please note that you are totally wrong. They seek pride as a people and not as a racialized group as was strongly so in the past. Some of them also have a good inkling about how racist many South Indians are in the USA, as per my conversations with some of them on this issue, and also, that casteism is unmitigated racism. I am sure that research on these issues is in the pipeline. And yes, like the African Americans, I am proud to be a Goan but definitely without being casteicised by anyone. How an American in New York could be so wide off the mark re the African Americans and require correction from a mere Londoner (as depicted in your post) might, hopefully, make you more reflective. I would have liked a response to two points I raised for you i.e. how one can reconcile Catholic belief with Hindu belief, and why casteists need the crutch of caste when others do not. However, I really don't think I could expect an intelligible reply. Mudslinging from you does not seem to take much purchase as it is incredibly lightweight, and also, all over the place. However, let me leave a thought with you. What does it profit a man to deal with cancer in the human body but retain the cancer of caste in the soul? Regards from that fellow across the pond! Cornel DaCosta, London. *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
Re: [Goanet]Caste and effects of debate.
D'Souza, Avelino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The rationale of the debate is tricky to comprehend. Mario replies: Avelino, what about the fact that many of us want to abolish the diabolical caste system, starting with our own Goan Catholic community, do you find tricky to comprehend? I don't get it. *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Re: Will the anti-casters identify themselves?
Dear Avelino, If the subject has gained a roller coaster impact on so many readers who have intervened, including even Bernado Colaco, with unlimited quantity and differing contents, it is because it touches a very sensitive social issue for Goans. If you could already fore-cast an obstinate and shocking finish , it implies that you have been following it much better than many of us! You and other exhausted readers you mentioned should promptly start a more interesting thread which may not lead to any fresh roller coaster impact! Teotonio R. de Souza --- Tue, 01 Mar 2005 04:22:43 -0800 The readers of the caste system thread are experiencing the effects of a roller coaster ride. The unlimited quantity and differing contents of posts have virtually exhausted readers like me. I find difficult to understand, ponder and come to a conclusion about the pros and cons of caste system. The debate on the caste system has come to a standoff and has all the signs of obstinate and shocking finish. The rationale of the debate is tricky to comprehend. Avelino Bastora/Kuwait *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Goan and caste
Hi PD Perhaps you missed my post. I did request an English and Reader's Digest version of the article you are referring to. So you have some work to do. :=)) Also, I sign off my post as GL. But my e-mail address has my full name. Can you oblige? It is also a requirement from GoaNet administration. Regards P D Makhan bhazi or flattery? Could not find any such indication from the portion of reproduced excerpt. Come into my parlour, said the spider to the fly? Try responding to Sammy Vaz's ZATHI ANI KATHI :) GL responds: Teotonio thanks for your compliments and you liking my analogy of caste-identification *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
RE: [The Goan Forum d-list] Re: [Goanet]Re: Will the anti-casters identify thems
From: Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [The Goan Forum d-list] Re: [Goanet]Re: Will the anti-casters identify themselves? Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:43:37 + (GMT) In my life I was not tutored about the casta in Goa. Recently and because of this vociferous activity on the lists, I bothered to ask and was told that we were zuamkars from a place called Xorao! Teo does the word zaum mean anything to you? B. Colaco Bernado, With your, otherwise, wide knowledge of things 'Bharathi* et all I am surprised that you confess to such poor knowledge of castes-system. I have not so far, nor will I now go into the matter you all are trashing with such ineffective buffaloes. But just touching about 'Zuamkars': 'zuem', the Portuguese 'jus' means an islet/island. Hence, the term refers to the inhabitants of islands: St. Estevao/Chorao, Divar, Comarjua, Rachol and a few others. While Divar is predominantly Bhramin of varyibg shades, Menezes, Gonsaves, Cabral e Sa and others, in Chorao Brahmins are a minority, among them my cousins, the Lima Fernandes and good friends, Stephen Pereiras. Others, the Monsorrates and many other dear friends are Chardos, highly educated, industrious and gentle. To be a guest of any Chorao family is to be treated like royalty, they will go all out. A better title, more akin to your origin, Bhramin, Chardo or otherwise, is 'Bhendecar', growers of lady-fingers, for which the 'Ilha Verde' iused to be famous and I sincerely hope, still continues to be. Alfred de Tavares, Stockholm, Sweden. 0046 8 759 6214 Respect everyone, no matter if they work in the fields or own a house in prime Altinho. I learnt this early on from my father, who showed a great deal of respect to his musicians. And I try to follow his example. Cheers, Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
Re: [Goanet]Want to move to Goa
I am told, the hotel industry in Goa is hiring foreigners in front-office jobs. They also hire foreigners in areas such as customer relations, liason with tour operators in the West etc. Once you get to Goa, you could directly approach the upscale hotels and see where your skills fit in. Alternatively, you could also try contacting them via their web sites. Jim Fernandes. New York. -- Original message from NATACHA ROMAO goanet@goanet.org: -- hi goan friends i'm natacha and i'm from portugal. ... ... if someone has something for me please let me know. iu are so lucky to be from a so beautifull spot as goa is. regards and kisses. Natacha Romao [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Landing feet first!
Natacha Romao wrote: hi goan friends i'm natacha and i'm from portugal. Cecil: Hi Natacha. Welcome to GoaNet. I live in Miramar and work in Panjim, Goa. But I'm originally from a village in Bardez. But Fred Noronha, who is an Administrator on this list, says if I mention my village and my surname I am trying to reveal my caste. Since I am a non-practicing Catholic I find this most amusing. I have teamed up with Mario Alvares who has a genealogy website (www.goan.name). We are adding a subsection where you just enter your surname and your original village and your caste is revealed. We have a subsection for about-to-be-married people where for a fee we will change your caste. We Goans will play football, work and fornicate with people of all castes but only at the time of marriage does caste become all-important. Do you have a caste? Are there castes in Portugal? -- Natacha: In the 2003 i was in goa and it was the most beautifull place that i ever seen. Cecil: Nothing much has changed in two years - except for Governors and Chief Ministers. It still is the most beautiful place in the world. But then I'm hardly qualified to comment as I've not been anywhere outside of India. And I spend most of my life in Bardez and Tiswadi. Is there a difference between people from North Portugal and South Portugal like we have here between North And South Goans? Do you know I can become a Portuguese Citizen if I want to - but I don't want to. - Natacha: I felt at home and since then i wish to go linving in goa, i was saving money and i have already my plane ticket without date. Cecil: This is a very tricky issue. Please contact Eddie Fernandes and Gabe Menezes regarding a date on your ticket. Tourist Visas don't allow you to stay for more than four weeks. Besides as a foreign national you will be charged double of what Indians are charged in India. And if you're planning to live in South Goa you can't even hire a motorcycle pilot without the Tourist Taxi Drivers threatening to bash you up. Do you have tour operators who cheat in Portugal? Do you have motorcycle pilots in Portugal? Do the Portuguese regret bringing the Caju plant (hence Feni) to Goa instead of taking it to Portugal and enjoying the Nectar of Life themselves? -- Natacha í'm trying to find a job or a project where i can feet because i want to do more then just staying, i really want to make a life there. Cecil: Well there's Big Foot in Loutolim. And of course all the major footwear brands - Nike, Bata, Adidas, Liberty... have official distributors here in Goa. I'm not sure if they're recruiting but I can ask around. Why this obsession with feet though? -- Natacha: i'm a journalist in portugal but when i was in india i was doing social work at CYDA in Pune. if someone has something for me please let me know. iu are so lucky to be from a so beautifull spot as goa is. Cecil: If you send me more details about yourself and your preferences I would be glad to help you find a position here. Please post it directly here on GoaNet so that others too an help you in your search. - Natacha: regards and kisses. Natacha Romao [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cecil: Namaste and cheers! Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] = *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
Re: [Goanet]Respect everyone?
Fred, Since you are playing devil's advocate, let me play angel's advocate. 1. Why is the mention of workers in the field versus Altinho residents biased in itself? Don't some people in Goa work in the fields and generally live in the villages, while others more affluent live in Altinho? Have we come to a point of political correctness where simple and obvious statements of fact are considered biased? 2. While the language in the second example is perhaps stronger than necessary it reflects Gabriel's disgust at the perceived attempt to obfuscate the attempt to stamp out the caste system among Goan Catholics by introducing various red herrings that have no relevence to what is being attempted. 3. What about Gabriel's point, that everyone, regardless of whom they are, should be treated with respect, is so hard to understand without nit-picking and over-analysing his phrases? --- Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to play devil's advocate, this stand would seem to be biased in itself. If they work in the fields and owning a house in prime Altinho would have certain caste connotations. Or wouldn't it? It shows how deeply influenced our minds are by a reality like caste, even if we say otherwise. Would the following statement would be equally acceptable: Why bother if you're trying to fight the bias about caste? I've had enough of this nonsense. Respect everyone, no matter if they slog away for a living in the fields (and produce food for everyone else too!) or if they continue to just be parasites and live off the work of others Of course, nothing contained above is targeted at Gabriel, but rather just meant for the purpose of debate... FN Why bother if you're trying to educate people against casteism? I've had enough of this nonsense. Respect everyone, no matter if they work in the fields or own a house in prime Altinho. I learnt this early on from my father, who showed a great deal of respect to his musicians. And I try to follow his example. Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! *** *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Cecil's family portrait
Cecil, Your wife and children turned out great in the pictures, but you looked like you were ready to kill that photographer with that low browed, heavy lidded look :) Dan PS: Seriously, GREAT pictures. I'm sure they'll be the envy of everyone in Aldona :) *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Goa Scholars call for the Battle
My immense thanks to all those responded to my earlier e-mail ' Horror at Goa University'. My thanks also to those who met me personally and offered solidarity, to those who called up and expressed support. I also aknowledge those who supplied oxygen to this candle of resistence to Academic torture in Goa University. My sincere thanks also to those former research scholars at Centre for Latin American Studies(CLAS), Goa University who accepted my invitation and participated in a meeting on 27th February 2005 in Siolim, Goa. Also I aknowledge the moral boosting support of the families of the research scholars and members of the public who participated in the meeting- got shocked at the state of affairs at CLAS and avowed their support to the cause. After the meeting; here goes the clarion call for the Battle. Sebastian Rodrigues SCHOLARS' CALL FOR THE BATTLE By Sebastian Rodrigues My Battle is Battle of generation of tortured scholars. Unless we are healed we will never cease our momentum in mission. With guts and courage we will march on, whatever may be difficulties, victory will be ours. For we have nothing more to loose; for our dignity violated; human essence raped by system Prof. V. Shivkumar of CLAS at Goa University traumatized us all. Oh, those silent come join us, be courageous and speak out! Oh, fence-sitters you have to understand and take sides soon! This is the terror launched on research students, this is the Battle we were least interested to take on; It is the war that is interested in us; forcing us to respond. We have no option but to join together and organise resistence; the resistence of generation of scholars. To restore our dignity to reclaim our human essence to heal our collective trauma to restore normalcy in our lives. For these to launch a relentless battle; Our clarion call to one and all. STATUS REGARDING MY FELLOWSHIP Over Rs. 18,000/- not yet released. Here is the chronology as to how the event unfolded in the past one week. On 18th February 2005 Prof. Shivkumar told me that Registrar wants to claim back my fellowship money from his salary; and he is psychologically prepared to pay Rs. 18,000/- to Registrar. Since that amount is not a big amount for him considering that he pays income tax several times more than that! And Registrar has blocked my fellowship since he enjoys bad blood with the Registrar. He was invisibily ordering me to be meek and submisive to his demoralising strategy. Then on 19th February he told me on phone that he is going to sign my file as incomplete and return to Registrar. Also he told me, he had no access to finance section of Goa University and he will not do anything about my fellowship. His arrogance touched climax when he told me to Do what You can. Then when I posted the horror story on World wide web on 21st February 2005, he called me up at my house and told me that he is going to sent reminders about my fellowship to Registrar as well as to Vice- Chancellor every week! Prof. V. Shivkumar in an e-mail on February 23, 2005 - response to my mail out - 'Horror at Goa University' says Today we had sent to the Registrar and the VC a note urging them to immediately to clear your pending dues to enable you to complete your research work. As you are aware the centre had been taking up the matter of your fellowship with the administration right from 2002. We do hope the remaining amount of fellowship will be disbursed to you soon. Some key questions rise up at this juncture: if it takes nearly 3 years to release my sanctioned amount of Rs. 36,000/- for juniour research fellowship- that too 50% yet to released- and I have to launch an international offensive to get it released- Just how much time does it takes to clear over 40,000/- a month as his salary and fellowship to his wife? How much time does it takes for Prof. Shivkumar to clear his travel allowances when he goes for conferences across the country? And he never forgets to include Rickshaw and taxi charges of his supposed travel within respective city like Delhi etc. How much time does it takes for him to clear his medical bills- both genuine as well as fake- from Goa University? Director of CLAS at Goa University instead of thinking and Planning the orientation and direction of research in Latin American Studies for the next 30 years is scheming all his time as to how best to torture young Research students/Scholars and driving them towards demoralising state. Since 1992, the Director of CLAS has sidelined exixting scholars of Latin American Studies within Goa. This strategy of Director has succeeded in preventing rooting of CLAS in Goa. And then the Director claims in publication 'Centre for Latin American studies, Goa University- An Overview 1992-2003 that the Centre does not have adequate
RE: [Goanet]Want to move to Goa
Natacha, Are you of Goan origin; If either that or, basically Portuguese, I feel I could render you some helpfull guidance. Com abraços, Alfred de Tavares, Stockholm, Sweden. Tel: 0046 8 659 6214 From: NATACHA ROMAO goanet@goanet.org Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet]Want to move to Goa Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:04:41 -0500 hi goan friends i'm natacha and i'm from portugal. In the 2003 i was in goa and it was the most beautifull place that i ever seen. I felt at home and since then i wish to go linving in goa, i was saving money and i have already my plane ticket without date. í'm trying to find a job or a project where i can feet because i want to do more then just staying, i really want to make a life there. i'm a journalist in portugal but when i was in india i was doing social work at CYDA in Pune. if someone has something for me please let me know. iu are so lucky to be from a so beautifull spot as goa is. regards and kisses. Natacha Romao [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! *** _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]G.O.A Rolling Trophy Draw
G.O.A Rolling Trophy Draw The draw of the prestigious 'GOA Rolling Trophy' soccer tournament being organized by Goan Overseas Association (Kuwait) will be held at the Village Inn Restaurant in downtown Kuwait City on 2nd March 2005 at 7:00pm sharp. The 12th edition of this major tournament is once again being sponsored by Bassem International Trading Company (Mr. Charles D'Sa) and will be played under the auspices of KIFF and all affiliated members are invited to send their representatives to attend the draw. For further information, please log on to www.goa-maroons-kwt.org or give us a call on 9519439 or 9816065. Julio Cardoso *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Vajpayee's advice On Goa!
http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnewsid=78937 Democracy murdered in Goa, hold elections: Vajpayee: [India News]: New Delhi, March 1 : Former prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee Tuesday demanded fresh elections in Goa, which has been plunged into political turmoil over the sacking of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) government Feb 2. After a meeting of parliamentarians of his Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), Vajpayee accused Goa Governor S.C. Jamir of murdering democracy and creating a ludicrous situation in the state. A democratically elected government has been murdered in Goa. Democracy has been murdered - the governor has crossed the limits of his powers, Vajpayee said. This is an issue of serious concern for democracy. The assembly should be dissolved and fresh elections should be held. The BJP parliamentary party resolved to aggressively take up the issue in parliament by moving an adjournment motion and not to allow normal functioning unless the Goa developments were taken cognisance of. However, Vajpayee was apparently at odds with the party over the decision on moving an adjournment motion. The Goa governor dismissed the BJP government of Manohar Parrikar Feb 2, after it won a test of strength by one vote in the absence of a legislator who was asked out of the house by the speaker just before voting. The Congress, which took power immediately, was to prove its strength Monday, but the resignation of the speaker and the deputy speaker plunged the fractious 40-member assembly into fresh turmoil. In an increasingly delicate situation, both parties are keeping their flock under strict watch in Goa to prevent any further crossovers. Vajpayee, who is also the chairman of the BJP-led National Democratic Alliance (NDA), said: Whatever is happening there is ridiculous not only for democracy but also for the country. What kind of a democracy is this? The Congress has backed the governor, stating the speaker had attempted to artificially create a majority by turning out a dissident legislator who was bound to vote against the BJP government. Asked whether the speaker's actions were proper, Vajpayee said: If there are grievances against the speaker, the solution has to be found within the house - not outside. The remedy is not for the governor to provide. The BJP had Monday demanded the dismissal of the Congress government of Pratapsinh Rane and restoration of the BJP government in the state. --Indo-Asian News Service -- Comment: My advice to the Congress would be: Francisco Sardinha use your powers as speaker to rescind the previous speaker's expulsion of Felipe Neri. Don't go by precedence. Let the Courts decide if you are wrong! Both the previous speaker and one other who forged Felipe Neri's signature have brought the House into disrepute. Both should be expelled. If you are wrong let them seek recourse through the Courts. After that call for a floor test. If the BJP resign en masse, so be it. After that the Congress and allies may continue in Government. In six months time call for bye elections all BJP seats and those of the recent resignations. The ones in the House do not need to seek re-elections. In the six months breather have an audit of the previous Government done. Please pay heed to this - very important for survival. Put up strong candidates to stand against the BJP party and whip them so that we may never have communalism again in our beloved Goa. If you succeed, please do the honourable thing and rule Goa, do not look to start filling your boots again! Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
Re: [Goanet] Evolution (contd)
- Original Message - From: Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: 28 February, 2005 6:41 PM Subject: [Goanet] Evolution (contd) Elsewhere in this post I have explained the seeming consistency in an evolutionist's belief that man might have existed for millions of years and yet might have been reduced to a population of 2 (two) as of about 6,000-10,000 years ago. My point in mentioning my friend and his luminary mentor shows that you can be a committed Hello, Here are links to three articles discussing quite convincingly a creationist view point. World Population Since Creation by Lambert Dolphin http://www.ldolphin.org/popul.html Population of the PreFlood World by Tom Pickett http://www.ldolphin.org/pickett.html Speed of Light Slowing Down? by Chuck Missler http://www.ldolphin.org/speedo.html The article on the speed of light as a constant (?) is specially interesting. Good food for thaught in the current context. Orlando *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Caste and effects of debate.
The readers of the caste system thread are experiencing the effects of a roller coaster ride. The unlimited quantity and differing contents of posts have virtually exhausted readers like me. I find difficult to understand, ponder and come to a conclusion about the pros and cons of caste system. The debate on the caste system has come to a standoff and has all the signs of obstinate and shocking finish. The rationale of the debate is tricky to comprehend. Avelino Bastora/Kuwait *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Re: Will the anti-casters identify themselves?
Dear Gabriel, No amount of education is ever too much. Your reaction sounds more like cognitive dissonance of someone who hates to hear what hurts his / her feelings or what threatens his/her well-being. Let us not forget that there are many others who would benefit from more knowledge. The great problem with many of our discussions is lack of sufficient knowledge. More respect can follow from more knowledge / education, never from less knowledge or ignorance about the other. Your father / you deserve more credit if you respected some individuals despite their inherited social labels. That is how we need to move. Teotonio R. de Souza --- Teotonio R. de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Vidyadhar, As I had mentioned in an earlier posting, it is not difficult to trace the caste in Goa if we know the surname and the original village of the person. Why bother if you're trying to educate people against casteism? I've had enough of this nonsense. Respect everyone, no matter if they work in the fields or own a house in prime Altinho. I learnt this early on from my father, who showed a great deal of respect to his musicians. And I try to follow his example. Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Re: Will the anti-casters identify themselves?
Dear Mario / Basilio, Perhaps I should not have joined both in the same reply, because you both have very different points of view and strategies. But I am joining the two precisely because of that. Mario wants to handle the problem of the Catholics first, and leave it to Santosh, Radhakrishnan Nair, etc to solve the problem of their Hindu community. But I believe and agree with Basilio that we have a common inheritance and the two communities still live in the same house that we call Goa, day-in and day-out! It is truly a challenge to look at it as our common problem and tackle it together. Catholic paroquial approach appears to me as doomed from the start. My second point of disagreement with Mario is his language and repeated expression driving stake in the heart. From the Catholic Inquisition that burnt persons at stake, have we now progressed to this new phase of Catholic violence? Luckily for Christ he was not a Christian, nor a Catholic! These are post-Christ inventions. Christ´s strategy is presented more truthfully by Basilio in the last three lines of his posting below. Christ preferred to expose his nakedness and to be nailed on the cross. That is where lies the power of his ressurection, not in the stakes invented by Catholic Christianity. Teotonio R. de Souza -- Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:10:27 -0800 Teotonio, Through the fog of all that feni it is beginning to dawn on me that we may be on the same page. However, while you are looking at the entire problem, I have chosen to prioritize in order to focus and make some identifiable progress. While I abhor any and all forms of discrimination based on color, caste and creed, the reason I focus on Catholic Goans is that it is this community in which I have membership and standing, and it is where I choose to take a stand. Furthermore, the caste system is at odds with the teachings of Christ and Christianity, whereas it is an integral part of the Hindu way of life. Thus, while I may abhor and denounce casteism among Hindus, I choose to leave it up to our Hindu coleagues like Santosh Helekar and Radhakrishnan Nair, who are eminently capable polemicists, to deal with their casteism. As you have seen, we have a big enough task to stamp out this insidious and destructive system in our own community. Mario Govea Three Cheers to the activists! More power to them! But do not demonize those who may ask the activists to show their cards. There are some disgruntled individuals who have taken up the cause of ³fighting caste.² Unfortunately, their disgruntlement disqualifies them as bonafide leaders to battle the scourge of caste, otherwise a worthy cause. Vociferous debates decorated with virulence do not solve anything or advance any cause. At best they provide self-gratification, and public adulation in some quarters. Vociferous discussions are not robust or intellectually rigorous. Condemnations and LOUD condemnations are exercises in pontification. My contribution to the battle against the caste: facilitate personal transformation. I only sow the seed; it is for the Lord to reap the fruits. I fully expect to be pilloried for what I have written. So be it. I may post some further thoughts if I think I have, at some point, something useful to say. Basilio Monteiro *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
Re: [Goanet]Caste and all the cacophany: some thoughts
Basilio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caste and all the cacophony: some thoughts My contribution to the battle against the caste: facilitate personal transformation. I only sow the seed; it is for the Lord to reap the fruits. I fully expect to be pilloried for what I have written. So be it. I may post some further thoughts if I think I have, at some point, something useful to say. Mario replies: This response is not to pillory you but to lament the fact that such a luke-warm and sanguine attitude from one in a position of moral influence as yourself is one reason that the abomination known as the caste system has survived for so long among Catholics in complete contradiction of everything our religion is supposed to stand for. Personal transformation may fit your comfort zone and convenience, but it is hardly sufficient when confronting such a blight on our community. I also think it is unfair to pass the buck to the Lord when he has put us here presumably to make a difference. I lament the fact that you have not chosen to take a more forceful and pro-active approach. Surely you have seen the victims and family ruins all around you, and I submit that those who perpetrate such an atrocity in this day and age are unlikely to make themselves available to you for your personal transformation. *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
Re: [Goanet]Re: Will the anti-casters identify themselves?
Gabriel, This is precisely the point I've been trying to make. However, it seems like it is taking a lot longer than I thought to sink in to the psyche's of some Goanetters. Some are attempting to deny that it even exists, and others think that ignoring it will make it go away. Bravo and amen and kudos to your father who was obviously ahead of his time. Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why bother if you're trying to educate people against casteism? I've had enough of this nonsense. Respect everyone, no matter if they work in the fields or own a house in prime Altinho. I learnt this early on from my father, who showed a great deal of respect to his musicians. And I try to follow his example. *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
Re: [Goanet]Re: Will the anti-casters identify themselves?
In my life I was not tutored about the casta in Goa. Recently and because of this vociferous activity on the lists, I bothered to ask and was told that we were zuamkars from a place called Xorao! Teo does the word zaum mean anything to you? B. Colaco Respect everyone, no matter if they work in the fields or own a house in prime Altinho. I learnt this early on from my father, who showed a great deal of respect to his musicians. And I try to follow his example. Cheers, Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
Re: [Goanet]Re: New research on * Goan MP's in the Portuguese Parliament
Dear Teo, I am not a genio like you to publish fake history. My Portugues does not go alem da quarta classe. But thank deus you are now changing. We now need the Portugas innit? B. Colaco P.S.: I had intentions of writing a story called 'Um besta da historiador'. I have now called it off. --- Teotonio R. de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Bernado, Your reply is once again of the usual flippant nature, pretending that you have already read everything. Instead of making a generic statement that there we many on goanet who wrote on the issue of slavery, could you name one single contributor who was as bold (atrevido as the Portuguese would say) as to say that We were all slaves for 5 centuries (quoting your message of 23 Feb 2005 on goanet)? We and all implies something very different from the existence and traffic of slavery. As for slavery in Goa till its official abolition in the mid 19th century, I presume that you have already read about it in my writings! If you did not, you are one of those ignorantes atrevidos. As to what I have to say about slavery today, I would leave it to non-historians like you. I did not know also that historians need to defend any truth as you seem to suggest. They can only help to reconstruct the past to the best of their ability and limitations of evidence available. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
RE: [Goanet]Goa Speaker's resignation.
From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet]Goa Speaker's resignation. Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:28:17 + http://www.ndtv.com/topstories/showtopstory.asp?slug=Goa+Speaker+resigns%2C+sparks+latest+crisisid=16393 NDTV Correspondent Monday, February 28, 2005 (Panaji): Goa's infamous for its defection politics and topple game and after the BJP's latest moves, it's clear that Goa's political crisis is far from over. Comment: The BJP are liars - giving credit to Pramod Mahajan for this latest move. I wrote on Goanet on !st Feb under the subject heading ' Governor thorws down the book' Quote Comment: What happens if the speaker resigns his position as speaker of the House? Unquote. Give credit where credit is due! -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England My entire cardiac apparatus hastens to lavish unstinted congratulation upon you. You have emerged a veritable seer. Alfred, etc _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Our Family Portrait session with Alex Fernandes at Portrait Atelier
I first met Alex Fernandes sometime last November when he was in the process of setting up his portrait studio, Portrait Atelier. A nice natured easygoing guy, Alex had retired young from his job at Kodak in Kuwait where he set up and managed a high end professional portrait studio, and was very enthusiastic about his project - a specialist portraits-only service here in Goa. Alex had honed his craft over the last twenty years with stints that included training at Broncolor in Switzerland and as faculty for portrait and lighting workshops conducted for Kodak. Going through his brochure in-the-making I realised that this was no flash in the pan idea and that Alex had carefully outlined exactly what services he would provide and how much he would be charging. At that time I found his rate of Rs. 3,000/- for a 'basic' portrait session a bit expensive. He would be giving only 3 prints of 8 x 12 size. But then Alex explained that he would be also giving the client a CD with high resolution JPG files of the entire shoot and so one could take as many prints as one wanted later. But still too expensive for my liking. Like most amateur photographers I didn't see the point in paying someone for professional services when I could do quite a good job myself with my rudimentary camera. In mid-Feb I met up with Alex again and he insisted that I bring the family over to his studio for a photo-shoot. Too expensive!, I said. He was running a promotional campaign in February where he would shoot you free of cost and you paid only for the prints of the frames you selected. Alex uses a high end Nikon Digital SLR. I spoke to my wife Beatrice and she was keen on the idea. You see we have friends and relatives all over the world and they send us beautiful portrait photos of their families shot in professional studios and all we have is our amateur photos to send back. And a nice big framed studio portrait would look nice in the apartment too. At least it would take away from little Fabian's crayon scribbling on the wall. So I fixed up an evening date with Alex at his studio in close by Caranzalem. We decided to go in casual clothes. I phoned Alex to find out if this was ok. He said we could bring in a change of formal clothes too if we wanted. He has converted an apartment next door to his shop into a studio with ample place for changing etc. After a lot of discussion Beatrice and me decided that we would just get ourselves shot in casual clothes. We took a change of tops for ourselves and the boys and trooped of for our studio date with Alex. Beatrice: Why don't you put some powder on? Cecil: Why? I'm not ashamed of being dark! Beatrice: But you sweat so much and your face shines and looks oily. Cecil:I'm not ashamed to be oily. What's wrong with oily? This is a portrait. If I'm oily I'm oily. That's the way I look. And your brother is darker than me. There! Beatrice:He's not dark. He's just tanned. Unlike you his works is mostly outdoors. Cecil:Sure! If he's tanned then I'm tanned too. See my buttocks. They're fair. Look! Beatrice: Cecil! The children are around. Stop being stupid! Cecil:Ok! Who cooks in the house? Beatrice:I do. So what? Cecil:You use too much oil while cooking. That's why my face looks oily. Beatrice: I do not! You were oily when I first met you! Cecil:I should have married Tina. She doesn't make oily biryanis Beatrice:You should have married a plastic surgeon! Cecil:Sure! Beatrice: Well I'm putting some lipstick though. Cecil:Besides dark people look like ghosts when they put on powder Beatrice: U. U. Forget the powder thing dear. Cecil:And some dark people even glow purple when they use too much powder. Beatrice: U. U. Cecil:Did you see Lily Aunty's daughter at Danny's wedding? She had so much powder on that she looked like a anaemic Russian. Beatrice:That's not powder. That's foundation. Cecil:Whatever. She had too much of it on. Totally artifical! Talking of artificial how old is that Marge's daughter. Didn't she just answer her SSC. Isn't she rather big built for her age? Beatrice: Are you going where I think you're going? Cecil: Nh! Let's not go there again. Fabian! Don't remove those sandals. And Desmond you get that helmet off now. Right now! So there we were, a few minutes later, at Alex's studio, Portrait Atelier, which I think means 'portrait workshop' in French. No sooner we entered our brats Desmond and Fabian started their antics of wanting to go home. Quick as a shot Alex conjured up some chocolates and offered them to our greedy imps and sure enough the trick worked and they were his friends for life! Alex Uncle could tell them to hold still while he did his settings and they would do it. Dada could yell his lungs out and they just ignored him. For two Cadbury chocolates. Talk about loyalty to parents! Alex posed us, adjusted his studio lights and started shooting. It was quite a pleasant experience with Alex
[Goanet]Respect everyone?
Just to play devil's advocate, this stand would seem to be biased in itself. If they work in the fields and owning a house in prime Altinho would have certain caste connotations. Or wouldn't it? It shows how deeply influenced our minds are by a reality like caste, even if we say otherwise. Would the following statement would be equally acceptable: Why bother if you're trying to fight the bias about caste? I've had enough of this nonsense. Respect everyone, no matter if they slog away for a living in the fields (and produce food for everyone else too!) or if they continue to just be parasites and live off the work of others Of course, nothing contained above is targeted at Gabriel, but rather just meant for the purpose of debate... FN Why bother if you're trying to educate people against casteism? I've had enough of this nonsense. Respect everyone, no matter if they work in the fields or own a house in prime Altinho. I learnt this early on from my father, who showed a great deal of respect to his musicians. And I try to follow his example. Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]NEWS JUST NOW: BJP members storm into well,Rajya Sabha
BJP members storm into well, RS adjourned till 1400 hrs New Delhi, Mar 1, 2005 (UNI) The Rajya Sabha was today adjourned for about three hours following uproarious scenes by the BJP-led opposition demanding restoration of Parrikar government in Goa. The Opposition members, especially the BJP members, not only indulged in some vociferous slogan shouting but also stormed into the well of the House. As the House assembled for the day, the BJP-led NDA members were on their feet raising slogans like ''Parrikar Sarkar bahal karo (restore Parrikar government)'', Goa mein Loktantra ki hatya nahi chalegi (Down with the murder of democracy in Goa)'' and ''Congress ki Soniashahi, Loktantra ki kare Tabahi (Soniaism in Congress is detrimental to the democracy)''. Chairman Bhairon Singh Shekhawat tried to pacify the agitated members and said one of the leaders may speak on the issue. As Ms Sushma Swaraj (BJP) started to speak, she was interrupted by the treasury bench members followed by a din in the House. As the members trooped into the well of the House and continued with the slogan shouting for about 20 minutes, the Chairman adjourned the House till 1400 Hrs. In the meanwhile, a member from the treasury bench showed a clipping of a newspaper making comment on the BJP leadership. The Chair prevented him from doing so and said papers were not allowed to be shown in the House. - Forwarded by www.goa-world.com __ Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
Re: [Goanet] Evolution (contd)
Hi Peter, Your latest post under the above thread did appear on Goanet (Please see the archives). Therefore, I am posting this reply. Here are my responses to your points. Peter D'Souza wrote: You are incorrect in stating that he assumed a constant_ growth rate. In fact, this is what he did say: although it is obvious that the present rate of growth (2%) could not have prevailed for very long in the past, it does seem unlikely that the long-time growth rate could have averaged significantly less than (1/2)%. I don't know whether you have a mathematics background or not. But if you tried to understand the math behind how you calculate a population change based on a variable growth rate (i. e. positive growth as well as negative growth or decline) then you would realize that the formula used by Morris assumes only a constant positive growth rate. He also assumes a constant average growth rate from 1800 to all the way back to the origin of man. You cannot simply average positive and negative growth rates, and use the average in the formula. There are good estimates that in the last 2000 years there were at least two periods when there was a negative growth rate (decline). Nobody has the slightest idea of the directions of population changes during the 4000 years prior to that. It is very likely that because of high infant mortality rates there was 0% growth or negative growth during some phases of this era. A real scientist with knowledge about the math involved would never have attempted to do the type of calculation that Morris attempted. One cannot derive a formula for this because one has absolutely no knowledge of when the population increased and when it decreased, and by how much, before 200 B.C. It is next to impossible to derive a realistic combination formula for variable increases during some variable periods and variable decreases at other variable periods. People have written hundreds of papers using all kinds of mathematical models on this subject. He seems to believe that one man or couple might have been in existence 8,000/10,000/6,300 years ago and that such a man's contemporaries were destroyed. This seems rational, given his mindset. I'm surprised that you wouldn't agree but choose to dispute population growth rate instead. Please read your first Goanet post on your friend's argument. What you stated in that post emphasizes the 2% population growth, and mentions that your friend's estimate is an extrapolation based on that growth rate, allowing for some natural disasters. This original argument is similar to that of Morris, and is mathematically flawed, as shown above. It does not appear to me to be a genuine scientific argument at all. Perhaps, you misunderstood what your friend was saying. If you tell me his name, I could check if he has published his calculation in any scientific journal. If he has not published it, it is unlikely to be a serious, well-researched argument. I would not use the words real and estimates in the same sentence. I mean real scientific estimates as opposed to the pseudoscientific estimate of Morris. The same table says that the world population grew at 0% (zero percent) and stayed at exactly 5 million for a period of 3,000 (three whopping thousand)years. Are these guys serious? This was before the condom was invented. There is nothing unusual about 0% growth rate. I am sure you know that growth rate is birth rate minus death rate. If these two rates are equal then you have zero growth. If the death rate is more than birth rate then you have a decline or negative growth. In the old days the death rate was very high, especially the infant mortality rate. The latter rate was in some cases higher than 500 per 1000 live births. At this rate one needed a very high birth rate (more than 8%) in order to prevent extinction of mankind. This was very hard to do before large residential communities were established. People's life expectancy was also very low perhaps, in the twenties. So the reproductive life span was also very short. The people who contributed the data in the table provided by the U.S. Census Bureau are the worlds experts on population theory, history and statistics. They are certainly more knowledgeable and qualified than Morris. Please do not prejudge them without reading and understanding their research papers cited at the bottom of that table. If your friend has published a paper like that, please let me know. I can read his and their papers, try to understand and compare them, and see whose estimates make more sense. Radiocarbon dating, which depends on the steady decay of carbon-14, becomes less and less reliable once the artefact under study gets older than about 16,000 years. is what Dr. Chris Stringer, Natural History Museum, London, Radiocarbon dating is only one of many methods used for dating fossils and artifacts today. There are a whole bunch of other methods such as potassium-argon dating, geological dating,
[Goanet]If U2 are an AUDIO SLAVE like me....
ARE YOU A MELOMANIAC ?
If U2 are an AUDIO SLAVE like me, you will NO DOUBT agree when I say that
some bands have OUTLANDISH names. COUNTING CROWS, CRASH TEST DUMMIES,
DASHBOARD CONFESSIONALS, THREE DOORS DOWN are such amusing and breathtaking
names that after listening to them, one sure needs some AIR SUPPLY! RIGHT
SAID FRED?
To XZIBIT the animal lover in me, let me express to you that I adore
GORILLAZ, ATOMIC KITTENS, EAGLES and BEATLES but I am pretty scared of
WHITESNAKE, SCORPIONS and their STING. Music is my OASIS, my FUEL and SOUL
ASYLUM. For me, THE GYPSY KING{s}, QUEEN and PRINCE reign SUPREME{s}. My
OFFSPRINGS dote on SEPULTURA, AEROSMITH and METALLICA and show NO MERCY when
I plead for organized sound. I tell them that my RESTLESS HEART needs some
TLC.
Life passes by in a BLUR and the FOUR SEASONS come and go. When I PRAY FOR
THE RAIN and days get WET WET WET, I don my CARDIGAN{s} and have a cup of
HOT CHOCOLATE. Sometimes, I do feel BLUE especially, when I am in DIRE
STRAITS for I know that just
50 CENT wouldn't get me a MEAT LOAF, BLACK EYED PEAS or PEARL JAM but it may
just fetch me some KORN, VANILLA ICE and probably some CRANBERRIES too.
When I am faced with a CODE RED situation in my life, I just call 911 and
THE POLICE come knocking on THE DOOR{s}. They are the MEN AT WORK while
working UNDERCOVER.
If you are in awe of the feminine species, I'm certain you will enjoy DIXIE
CHICKS, SPICE GIRLS, BARE NAKED LADIES, BLONDIE and GOO GOO DOLLS. Believe
me, you are sure to have a CROWDED HOUSE.
This is a CRAZY TOWN and strange things can happen. If you ever have THE
CALLING for a party with THE ROLLING STONES, I plead for an invitation and B
{o} Y GEORGE, I shall be there.
I don't keep CHEMICAL BROTHERS, MATCHBOX 20 and BIOHAZARD{s} together on my
shelf, for fear of an ERUPTION. I wouldn't like having a FIRE HOUSE on my
hands.
VILLAGE PEOPLE don't quite gel with FOREIGNERS and the WEST LIFE but they
don't mind starting a CULTURE CLUB of their own.
Though I am like ALICE IN CHAINS I dream of being rich and famous someday.
If I had JOHNNY's CASH and CHARLIE's PRIDE, I could easily be an ENIGMA.
MY WASTED YOUTH was spent with GUNS AND ROSES and a VELVET REVOLVER. Now I
attain NIRVANA by listening to GOOD CHARLOTTE.
I have the yearning to listen to MUSIKMAN and WHITE ZOMBIE before I go SIX
FEET UNDER with NINE INCH NAILS in my coffin made by THE CARPENTERS. If the
SPIN DOCTORS don't come up with THE CURE, I pray that MAXI PRIEST or MANIC
STREET PREACHER will be there to say THE CREED for me. I hope that I will be
laid on ICED EARTH in LINKIN PARK or SAVAGE GARDEN but not in BASEMENT JAXX
for I can't TAKE THAT. TRUTH HURTS but I'm sure by then my foes will be
celebrating SMASHING PUMPKINS and riding on AIRWAVES while I sleep in
ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT. Look out for my OBITUARY in TOMORROW'S EDITION.
Before I take that trip on my STARSHIP into the GALAXY, I would like to
impart with the famous words of William Shakespeare If music be the food
of love, play on. {578 words}
THE END
SHARBELLE FERNANDEZ
Hubli
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[Goanet]Goan Art on the Net - WebQuest column in Goa Today (repeat of an old posting)
Goan Art on the Internet The grand Fontainhas Heritage Festival (archived at www.goaheritage.org/events_fountainhasfest.htm ) has sparked off a renewed interest in Goan Art. Here's a synopisis of what's available for lovers of Goan Art on the Internet. Official Sites The Goa Tourism website (www.goatourism.nic.in/fcolart.htm) has this to say about Goan Art Goan art colourfully illustrates the unity in diversity of Goan heritage. Various art forms pertaining to different religious beliefs and life styles have mingled into one unique identity that has developed into Goan art. Thus we find Hindu artists chiseling out Christian images in villages and cities. Goan art, developed around religious requirements, represents this process of assimilation, interdependence and mutual acceptability. The official website of Kala Academy (www.kalaacademy.org) says The changing colors of history have left their multiple shades on the Goan life. And folk art has not been an exception to it. The traditional folk music and dances have continued uninterruptedly, while the influence of the Portuguese music and dance on the local culture has helped to evolve new forms. This happy blending and co-existence of cultural traditions gives Goa unique character. It is in this context that the Academy's aims, objects and activities are directed at fostering and developing dance, drama, music, literature and other arts and also promoting through them the cultural unity. The Goa State Museum is featured at http://goamuseum.nic.in/. The museum at present has the collection of about 8000 objects, which includes Stone Sculptures, Wooden objects, Bronzes, Paintings, Manuscripts, numismatic collection, anthropological objects, clay models etc. Many of these objects are viewable at the site though there is not much descriptive text. All time greats The historical development of Goa has dictated the predominance of different art forms and the diverse influence of Greco-Latin art and the indigenous Goan culture has found a combined expression in the paintings of contemporary artists from Goa. www.indiaprofile.com/art-crafts/goa-artists.htm has an interesting profile of two great Goan artists Laxaman Pai Francis Newton D'Souza. Pai is strongly attached to his environment. He finds in nature and its creation a perennial source of inspiration. Goa, its verdant landscapes, its joyful, fun-loving people, its culture of colorful festivals have probably spoken through his cheerful carefree style. He constantly returns to his native land for symbols of expression The influence of Goan culture has found its place in Souza's work in a number of ways. Natives of Goa, fisherwomen, children, priests have all been subjects in his paintings. The churches and homes of Goa in his landscapes. On a different plane, primitive Goan traditions and beliefs have been used as symbols to express a spiritual conflict. . A profile of Francis Newton D'Souza by by Joel D'Souza Alexyz can be found at www.goacom.com/goanow/2002/apr/greatgoa.html. Reminiscences of an interview by Ben Antao with D'Souza 40 years ago are archived at www.colaco.net/1/BenFN.htm Contemporary Art Collectives The Goan Art Forum - an artist collective, constituted of artists, art educators and art theoreticians - were perhaps the first to showcase their works on the Net (http://www.goenkar.com/com/gaf/). Consisting of some extremely talented Goan artists, The Goan Art Forum was very active in the promotion of Goan Art in the 1990's. Unfortunately one doesn't hear much about their activities now. Last year Cymroza Art Gallery in Mumbai had an exhibition of Goan Art. At www.cymroza.com/Goa/about.htm one can find small profiles of the artists who exhibited. Though some nitpickers may question the 'Goan-ness' of some of these artists it does have some big names from the Goan Contemporary Art world - Subodh Kerkar, Harshada Kerkar, Viraj Naik, Santosh Morajkar, Sonia Rodrigues Sabharwal, Sajal Sarkar, Chaitali Morajkar, Pradip Naik, Sonja Weder, Theodore Mariano Mesquita, Shireen Mody, Liesl Cotta De Souza Querozito De Souza. The notably well designed www.arthouse-india.com/htmpg/artists.htm features interesting profiles and works of many noteworthy Goan artists who have exhibited in the ArtHouse India gallery at Calangute. The concept is kept very simple: the exhibits are contemporary art... paintings, drawings, art photography, video art, installations and sculptures, mainly by Indian artists Individual pages Mario Miranda has been profiled by Wellington Dias at http://www.goa-world.net/cartoons/mariomiranda/. Mario Miranda, in my opinion, is a living legend and needs no introduction from me. One only wishes he would have a website of his own where we could all appreciate his genius. As in the print media, Mario's cartoons have been used to embellish many websites but rarely with his official permission. I spoke with Mario
[Goanet]Goa is indeed blessed............
I am so glad that there are so many public sprited indivuals who want to serve the public in Goa by getting themselves elected to office. And once elected, their public spirit and their desire to serve the public is so great, that they will allow themselves to be held hostage and separated from their families and steep down to any depth, to hold on to their seats and their power, so that they can continue their good deeds, despite their relatively paltry salaries. Goa is blessed with such wonderful people. God bless all the politicians in Goa, who keep us poor folks entertained, and our minds off our empty stomachs. We are indeed a blessed lot. *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]RE: GOANS AND CASTE
GL responds: Teotonio thanks for your compliments and you liking my analogy of caste-identification Makhan bhazi or flattery? Could not find any such indication from the portion of reproduced excerpt. Come into my parlour, said the spider to the fly? Try responding to Sammy Vaz's ZATHI ANI KATHI :) *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
[Goanet]Birthdays from 28th Feb - 5th Mar 2005
Wishing you all a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY on behalf of GoaNetters to 28-Feb Nancy Medeira Kuwait 28-Feb Agnelo Fernandes 1-Mar Joyce Fernandes Aldona/Dubai 1-Mar SuzaneMapusa/Bahrain 2-Mar Frank D'SilvaNew Zealand 5-Mar Maria Makdani Kuwait Thanks, Vincente. Please do notify if your e-mail address has been changed, for cc'ing B'day wished to your e-mail address. NOTE: Please send your Birthday's details for those who haven't done so far to the following e-mail address([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with subject as Birthday/Birthday details as per below format. Birth Day/Month NameBirth/Current Place *** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! ***
