[Goanet]Re: Cheerleaders for GoaNet
Maybe if newbies knew somehow that their numbers are increasing on goanet (without identifying them by name) then that would be enough encouragement and song-and-dance routines could be precluded.
[Goanet]Re: Air India Express
[Goa's Pride goa-world.com, Apr 28] This beautifully underlines the need for mobilising public opinion on issues of vital importance to Goa. However, in this internet era, the two decades which Keralites spent is practically an eternity which we cannot afford! The mobilisation of public opinion has to be and can be speeded up. Utt Goenkars (or whatever)!
[Goanet]The Wisdom of Crowds
Freds candle appears to have drawn some new faces into Goanets Living Room! However, unlike newspapers where the editorial policy illumines what types of candles can be brought into and lit at Goanet, everyone is encouraged to bring and light their own candles. Over the years, we have seen all kinds of candles take the stand. Some so small, they only highlight the label authenticating Place of Origin. Others so tall, they keep spiders awake 24/7. And there are some that give out more smoke than light, or laboriously fluctuate between emitting white smoke and black smoke. And there are some that get easily blown away and others quite the contrary. Occasionally, a candle becomes inflated on arrival and subsequently so oversized that you cant get it out the door, and have no other recourse but to wait for it to burn its course. Even less occasionally, a candle gets glaringly out of control and requires someone from the Goanet Admin team to have it towed away! This does not mean that those who are silent, or who habituate in the more obscure parts of the Goanet household have no candles of their own. They certainly do, and when they do come out, their light is so overwhelming that those who find themselves on the receiving end of the illumination, swiftly wish they had gone about the household like sacristans with a brass extinguisher on a pole rather than in their self-anointed, stretchable miters! On the other hand, if everyone lit a candle, we may end up with too much light, summoning the need to pull down the blinds or reach for goggles and in that creepy setting, bump into the very ones we had contemptuously sworn ourselves never to run into! Dom Martin
[Goanet]TOWARDS A NEW SOCIETY
TOWARDS A NEW SOCIETY "Education should lead students to critical thinking and acquisition of values" - said Fr. Felix Koikara, delivering the keynote address at the three day Faculty Enrichment Programme at St. Xavier's College, Mapusa, held recently, with the them "Towards a New Society". Mr. Lucindo Faria, the Managing Director of Lagoa Azul Resort and alumnus of the College, presided as the Chief Guest. The Principal, Prof. Newman Fernandes welcomed and introduced the Chief Guest and the resource person - Fr. Felix Koikara. He stressed that each one of us is a component of the society and change has to begin with oneself, which can bring about a wholesome change in the society. The Chief Guest recollected his nostalgic memories of College life and said that what students remember of teachers, is not what they taught as subject teachers but their personality and character. The resource person, Fr. Felix Koikara, in his keynote address, stressed that Man is a Mystery and to say that one is expert at any subject concerning human beings, is indeed foolish. He said that the programme schedule would focus on 3 ideas - acquisition of knowledge, acquisition of skills and building new attitudes. He also highlighted that teachers are facilitators in inculcating values in students. The session began with the reflection exercise wherein teachers were given a questionnaire which provided an opportunity for short reflection on one's own values and ideas about value education. The questionnaire also focused on the role of teachers in imparting values and the need for a clear value system for students. The next session saw the introduction of the personal and professional value housie game card. Each teacher was given one value for self and a game card containing 24 professional and personal values. Each teacher had to ask the other teachers with different values to sign in the respective box on the game card. The session was interesting and interactive and was enjoyed by all the participants. The teachers were further asked to identify 10 values from the 24 values on the game card which they considered the most important and rank them on a scale from 1 to 5. The participants were then asked to give reasons for the choice of the first three important values. The teachers were divided into groups of 8 to 9 members and each group was asked to draw a profile of a true professional teacher. The profile made by each group was integrated to have a consensus. The following was the value consensus profile: Belief in God, Character, Self confidence, Love, Dynamism, Cooperation, Justice, Knowledge, Hardwork and Honesty. Each teacher made a self evaluation with respect to each of the 10 profile values on scale of 1 to 5, where 1 is weak and 5 is strong. Each teacher was made to identify their weak points and strengthen them. On the second day Fr. Felix Koikara discussed the value crisis faced by the young generation during adolescence. He made a mention of how media portrays a hypothetical world of infidelity and beauty which leads them to choose undesirable values. He also stressed on the teachers' role in promoting values among students and the various alternative methods like trial and error, reward and punishment, nagging and others were discussed. It was found that each method has its own drawbacks. Hence value clarification approach gained importance. He said that value is a stance that the self takes to the total environment as expressed through its behaviour, ideas, body, feelings and imagination. The process of valuing has 7 criteria which can be divided into 3 categories - choosing, prizing and acting. After the tea break the participants were given a simple appreciation exercise titled "The Gift You Are". Each teacher was made to describe 5 most important characteristics, behaviours and attitudes that their friends and peers would judge were the guiding principles of their lives and from which they drew inspiration and would strive to emulate. The teacher was also asked to identify the underlying values. This exercise stressed that we need to take time to appreciate ourselves and only then can we learn to appreciate others. The afternoon session dealt with an introspective exercise on social justice. This questionnaire highlighted the many evils in society that create gender bias and discrimination. The resource person stressed on the need to be aware of our rights and to be actively involved in preserving them and fighting against the violations. This was followed by another session on 'marriage and the choice of an ideal life partner'. The main objective of this exercise was to decide on the qualities of an ideal life partner (spouse) and to reflect on the qualities the spouse expects from me. Since marriage is fraught with difficulties, uncertainties and demands a continuous process of adjustment, it is important that one choses one's life part
[Goanet]Mumbai: First Jerry Nite was a spectacular show
The maiden Nite by Jerry was a spectacular show with the packed crowd clapped and clapped for each and every item and song presented during the show. The Nite was organised by Maharashtra Konkan Association at St. Vincent De Pallotti church grounds of Marol, Vijaynagara in Mumbai on 23rd April 2005. Jerry though a disabled person proved that he will create his own history in the Konkani music world through his variety of songs that caught the attraction of the audience. Though a very short person he also reached the same height of the top Konkani music stars through his melodious voice. "The leading Konkani organization of today in Maharashtra is Maharashtra Konkan Association" said the chief guest Mr. Albert W. D'Souza, managing director of Printannia offset. "When we had organised 'Konkan Daiz Yatra' in Mumbai they got more than 800 crowd for the show. They have kept Konkani alive in Mumbai by their continuous Konkani programmes" he added. He also urged Konkani people to attend every Konkani programmes in their locality and also to speak Konkani at home and teach it to their children. Jerry spoke on this occasion and thanked the almighty, holy trinity, mother Mary, Maharastra Konkan Association and all those who helped him to stage his maiden Nite. During the programme Fr. Baptist Pais (music), Mr. Harry Boy (theatre), Mr. Ancy Paladka (literature) were honoured by Mr. Albert W. D'Souza by fruits, flowers, shawl and a momento. Also Mrs. Lilly Goveas hounoured by Lona Sanctis as a symbol of honouring our Konkani mother. In the beginning there was a cutting of the cake. Mr. & Mrs John G. Mendonca, Mr. Benedict Rebello, Mr. B. C. Alva were appointed to this task as they celebrated their 25 years wedding, 75 years of birthday and 50 years of birthday respectively. Cake was then distributed to the packed audience. Fr. Baptist Pais, Fr. Thomas (Parish priest), Fr. Michael, Fr. Benji Fernandes and Fr, Marcel Raj, Walter D'Souza(President of MKA) and Leo Fernandes(Chairman of MKA) were also present at the dias. Then Jerry came up with his exciting numbers one after the other namely, Soirik sodhun kazar zalom (Jerry), Papa Sodun Gelo(Fr. Baptist Pais), Piri Piri Paus(Jerry and group), Daddy(Flavian), Kurdo(Denis Gonsalves), Flvie(Vinay Lewis), Moga Rony(Lavina Fernandes), Kogulle(children: Kogulle song by Watson, Karon, Lona, Dion, Kalissa & Melissa), Sunami(Vinay Lewis), Stree Sanghatton(Noel & Lavina), Manest Ayillo(Priya Cabral), Illem Illem dista(Gents groups), Chodd zata(Girls group), Bavtto(Boys and girls group) and Baila sung by Jerry. Judy Pereira, Nalini Anchan, Keran Santis, Navin and Noel too extended their voice during group singing. Popai, Bombil Mary and Taka Taka Dum were the three hit numbers by Kenny. In the begining Mrs. Benedicta Rebello welcomed the crowd. Chairman Mr. Leo Fernandes gave introductory address. Tresurer Mr. Cyril Castelino, Leo and Jerry beautifully compared the show. There was a hilarious comedy from Peter, John, Leo and group. Complete photo album of the Nite is available at http://ancy.fotopic.net/c518227.html Report By: Ancy Paladka ___ Ancy Salvadore D'Souza Paladka E2-139 Diwan Apt III, Vasai Road East, Thane Dist - 401 210, Maharashtra, INDIA Tel: 0250-2390225 / 95250-2390225 Cell : 0 9422 4922 41 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Url: http://www.konkanifoundation.com/ancy/
[Goanet]In the defence of Gilbertian Defence Scams!
According to the affidavit, the ministry has so far been able to scrutinise its files for five transactions carried out on the pretext of the Kargil war. Findings on all but the tgm transaction have been made available to Tehelka. It turns out that three of these four transactions had been cleared DIRECTLY by the then Defence Minister George Fernandes and in all three cases serious procedural lapses were noted. The transactions date to the period after the Kargil conflict began in May 1999. At the time the defence ministry, with Fernandes approval, issued an order envisaging modifications in the procurement procedure applicable for the duration of Operation Vijay for items specifically required for OP Vijay. The contract for ammunition for t-72 tanks was signed in June 1999 at a cost of Rs 116.83 crore. Files relating to this deal revealed that the said ammunition was in production by the Ordnance Factory and hence there was NO NEED to import ammunitions. However, by placing reliance on the Kargil conflict, a proposal was mooted to buy the ammunitions for Kargil. The RM (Raksha Mantri) has approved the purchase for ammunition 02.07.1999 in view of the prevailing circumstances. According to the cag report, t-72 tanks could not have been deployed at high altitudes. The case has been recommended to the cbi. Similarly with regard to the Rs 402.76-crore ammunition contract approved by Fernandes, the pre-delivery inspection was waived. No formal request for proposal was issued, which is contrary to usual practice. Moreover, Kargil and OP Vijay became the reason for import of this ammunition. It is clear that the supplier delivered old ammunition. Further, the files have revealed that the Directorate General of Quality Assurance (dgqa) had approved/certified the ammunitions stating that they had residual shelf life of three years, even though the ammunition was very old and their shelf life and (sic) already expired by that time. The said inspection of dgqa is very suspect one. This case has also been referred to the cbi. Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.com * TGF at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d-list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: Query about website for Konkani songs...
Luzette, Are you interested in Konkani music in general or the specific artists you mentioned ?? Are you interested only in the 70s, 60s genre ?? Best wishes - Bosco Toronto, Canada FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DATE: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:42:37 - SUBJECT: goan songs Hi Does anyone know a website where we can download goan songs from the 70s or 60s, by singers, : c. alvares, anthony mendes, alfred rose... etc. --- Goanet - http://www.goanet.org - Goa's premier mailing list is 10 years old
[Goanet]Re: What are we fighting for...
Thanks for the detailed and thoughtful response. The subject of social capital is new to me (as is the phenomenon of mailing lists!) though I am familiar with the term "intellectual capital" and assume there is something similar. But I agree it would be worth building and hence I will try to help in any way I can. For starters I would point out that in your post you seemed to emphasise "process", that it is not easy, no fool proof ways, not visible etc and then suddenly popped the issue of "content" viz negative social capital! Also, is social capital tied in some way to our (competing!) concepts of "Goa" to which you alluded at the start of your post? So we seem to have both a squishy content and a squishy process on our hands! I guess it makes for "interesting times" in the Chinese sense. Regarding the eyeballs built up over the years, it would be interesting to have some figures about this (aside from the word that there are 7000-plus goanetters out there). What we probably want to focus on the "fingers" which take the trouble to post on goanet (assuming one finger typing like mine!), whether they are increasing or decreasing each month, how many are new to goanet etc. Finally, pls call me Phil as "prof" makes me uncomfortable!
[Goanet]Midweek ramblings.....
GABE: Irrespective of the effects, the War on Iraq was illegal. Hopefully Pope Benedict XVI will reiterate this to President Bush, the main protagonist. RESPONSE: And what would be achieved by that ?? GABE: it is hoped that the British voters will show their disdain to the Iraq War which was illegal. RESPONSE: Illegal as per whom ?? When has a war been legal. It's either necessary or unnecessary. But (il)legal ?? Has the newspaper Guardian always been anti-Blair (Labour) through his years in office ?? Which newspaper in the UK is pro-Labour ?? GABE: Manmohan of India, has rescinded the move to apply value added tax on Diesel fuel, he saw Bush's embrace of the Saudi Prince and thought; hey, thank God for this Gay President. RESPONSE: Is the Saudi Prince the only person Dubya has hugged ?? Can the Saudis, Kuwaitis, oil producers really do something tangible to bring down the price of oil ?? Are you suggesting our oil analysts are feeding us baloney about supply and demand ?? MARIO: You have been castigating Bush for liberating Iraq from a brutal dictator, who is credited with being responsible for the deaths of over a million Iraqis, Iranis and Kuwaitis, then you turn around and demand that he interfere in another country's affairs by demanding parity in terms of practising religion in Saudi Arabia. RESPONSE: Err...Marioweak argument - Bush can be accused of interfering in Iraq's affairs. Nahi challega mein !! MARIO: if "all" that the US is interested in is oil, then why did they leave all that oil and return home in 1991, when they had total control of Kuwaiti oil and could have taken all the Iraqi oil as well. RESPONSE: Don't be timid to admit that the surge/decline of an economy is dependent on the price of oil (to a certain degree).we haven't seen the "shock" yet because the economy can handle the price of oil at close to $60/-. Consumers have helpedand since most world economies have survived almost unscathe for so long with such high prices, expect the sheiks to continue licking their lips to the sound of "ka-ching", "ka-ching". All that extra cash should find it's way to keep the job unemployment data low in the US defence industry. Go figure!! In 1991, US policy mandated that it appear as "liberator", freedom-fighter - all this in the immediate post-communism period. In 2001, US policy mandated assertive interference. 9/11 was incidental to this policy, not a precursor or result of it. It's only incidental that somebody named Bush was President at both times. The President has got to do, what the President has got to do - follow US policy in the interests of the US. MARIO: This is what Gabe Menezes, who lives in the land of Elton John and the "English proclivity" thinks is an intelligent posting, while calling ME a "Devils Advocate", and one who is not "chosen". --- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.borowitzreport.com/ > > BUSH TO WED SAUDI PRINCE > Impending Nuptials Alter President's Gay Marriage > Stance RESPONSE: Mario, you should read the Borowitz Report more often maybe even subscribe to it. The National Press Club Award recipient can bring a smile on some days. Nothing necessarily intelligent about it.BTWwhat's wrong with EJ ??I mean Sir EJ!! He is a musician/artiste first for millions. MARIO: the Peoples Republic of Canuckistan, aka Canada, still pretends to be a democracy, so it will be left alone.and we will send a couple of policemen from upstste NY to come and rescue you. RESPONSE: the people of Canuckistan await your next visit to this vast land of ours.we shall meet you, greet you, and we shall honor you by raising you to the top of a tall-tall totem pole..I hope the "upstate NY" officers are better than their big-city cousins, coz the men in uniform from NYC have a rep to go after the wrong people..tch-tch-tch!! Enjoy the rest of the week.sunny days ahead !!! Best wishes - Bosco --- Goanet - http://www.goanet.org - Goa's premier mailing list is 10 years old
[Goanet]IIT graduates get US recognition
Deccan Herald  National  Detailed Story IIT graduates get US recognition DH News Service Washington: The US House of Representatives has passed a resolution honouring contributions of Indian Americans to economic innovation and society. The resolution, sponsored by Republican Congressman Tom Davis, made a special reference to graduates of Indian Institutes of Technology, who have been active in different professions and disciplines. The resolution ârecognises the valuable and significant contributions of Indian Americans to American society, honours the economic innovation of Indian Institutes of Technology graduates and urges all Americans to recognise their contributions and have greater appreciation of their role in helping to advance American society.â Congressman Davis said the Indian Institutes of Technology have produced thousands of talented graduates who have sought and achieved highest levels of professional success in United States. âMost Silicon Valley firms have at least one IIT graduate among their top executives. IIT graduates are wonderful ambassadors of their homeland, and continue to strengthen friendship between India and US,â he said. This recognition comes before the Global IIT Alumni Conference to be held here next month. This biennial conference will attract participants from North America, India and other parts of the world. Arjun Singh, Minister for Human Resources Development, and IIT directors are expected to address the conference. Other speakers will be Jack Welch, former Chairman of GE, Bob Brown, Provost, MIT, Ramani Aiyer, Chairman and CEO, Hartford, and K V Kamath, CEO, ICICI. -- Jai Hind! Carlos
[Goanet]Women Catholic priests..................
Brilliant idea to have women priests. I can see the future. My crystal ball shows female and male Jesuits, Franciscans and Maryknoll missionaries, living in their own communes with little Jesuits and little Franciscans and Maryknollians running around. No more convents or monasteries. No more worries about falling vocations. I was born a few decades too early !! Goanet is is certainly an incubator for futuristic ideas. Someone wondered why we have a large but loyal silent membership. It is the entertainment value one gets from reading some of the posts on this Forum. Get it ?? Vivian A. D'Souza (soaking up the Feni in Goa)
Re: [Goanet]Goanet News Bytes * Apr 28, 2005 * IFFI comes to Goa again
> o Re-float River Princess on time, Governor S C > Jamir tells the company >working on the ship marooned off the Candolim > coast for the past >five years. (H) That's something positive ... Look forward to when the dead Princess finally leaves the Candolim shores. > o Governor says efforts on to streamline Hospicio > hotel. (H) I presume you mean the hospital, not hotel? BTW, isn't saying Hospicio Hospital a double on the same word, akin to saying Hospital Hospital? Can someone elucidate? Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Air India Express
From:"K.V. Shamsudheen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject:Air India Express [input] [input] [input] To: Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter, www.goa-world.com (Attention: Mr. Gaspar Almeida/Mr. Ulysses Menezes) Dear Sir, The starting of Air India Express is a success of NRIs, it proved that if we raise our sound as one voice definately there will be result forall issues. NRIs were demanding last two decades to reduce theairfare in Gulf sector. At last Air India is compelled to start a budgetairline in this sector. We take this opportunity to thank all media who support NRIs on high issue. If govenment of Kerala starts the Kerala Budget Airlines under the leadership of capable IAS officer like Mr. Kurien, the venture will be a success. The company must be with equity participation of maximum number of NRIs. All NRIs must feel it is their company. We have full confident that raising the capital will not be a problem at all. Currently I'm in India becasue of the demise of my cousin. My contact number is 00914872532006 With regards K V Shamsudheen, Chairman Pravasi Bandhu Welfare Trust Post Box No. 940, Sharjah, U.A.E.
[Goanet]Power shutdown arranged in Salcete taluka for pre-monsoon works (NT News Service)
Power shutdown arranged in Salcete taluka NT News Service Margao April 27: The electricity department, Margao, has arranged a power shutdown on various feeders of Salcete taluka to smoothly carry out the pre- monsoon works. In a press release, the assistant engineer, Mr N N Reddy stated that the shutdown will be effective from April 29 to May 6, 2005 from 8 a.m. to 2 p.m. On April 29, a shutdown has been arranged on Curtorim feeder affecting areas of Bhagbhat, St Xavier ward of village panchayat Raia, Curtorim village panchayat, Macazana and Rohinibhat of Guirdolim. The areas of village panchayat Loutolim and part of village panchayat Camurlim will have no power supply on May 3, 2005. The feeder at Raia will remain de-operationalised from 8 a.m. to 12 noon on May 7, 2005 affecting the residents of Nirbhaga of village panchayat Camorlim. On May 4, 2005, a shutdown is arranged on Goa Carbon feeder and as such the residents in the areas of Goa Carbon, Nessai, Mughali, Igorjeche Bhatt, Viabhat, Camarxet, Raitolem of village panchayat Curtorim will have no power supply. On May 5, 2005, the industrial areas of St Jose De Areal and village panchayat Paroda will have no power supply. All areas of Guirdolim, Chandor and Eklat and Novowaddo in Curtorim will have no power supply on May 6, 2005. - Forwarded by AlmeidaG(ji), http://www.goa-world.com
[Goanet]Oil
Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > if "all" that the US is interested in is oil, then > why > did they leave all that oil and return home in 1991, > when they had total control of Kuwaiti oil and could > have taken all the Iraqi oil as well. Mario, The US were forced to leave. The Saudi's told them to do so. The hugging and holding hands in Texas is only a glance of what happened between the oil men. Mervyn3.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: [Goanet] Cafeteria - a brief response to Gilbert
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > To Santosh: A fanatic / fundamentalist in my view > may be going against the second commandment of > Jesus (the first commandment was from Moses) which > is: Love your neighbor as thyself. > Gilbert, I think you are wrong about that. Ironically, the person you describe would be a Cafeteria Catholic. Remember that a Cafeteria Catholic is one who picks and chooses which doctrines and commandments to follow, and which to ignore. A Fundamentalist Catholic, on the other hand, would follow all commandments and doctrines in letter and spirit without asking any questions. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]10-a-side under-14 KFC Football Tournament:
10-a-side under-14 KFC Football Tournament: A One Day 10-a-side Soccer Tournament for under 14 Boys was organized by Kuwait Football Club (KFC) on a league cum knock-out basis and was held on Friday, April 22nd, 2005 at the Soor Grounds, Kuwait City. The tournament was sponsored by NGEECO-Siemens. Three Indian teams and the organizers, KFC team participated in the tournamant. In the ensuing proceedings, KFC beat all the teams to move ahead. In the finals, KFC stunned Santos Football Club 7:0. Paradesio was the second runners-up, while the fourth place to Paradesio Juniors. The KFC team played liked a well trained and a word of appreciation goes to their coach. With a brief awards ceremony, the tournament was concluded with a short speech by the chief guest, Mr. Carl-Otto-Klermund, General Manager of NGEECO- Siemens. The winners trophy was presented by the chief guest. The first Runners-up trophy was presented by Irkan Fidan, Petroleum Engineer of Halliburton. Mrs. Elke Klermund gave away the second runners-up trophy. Fidelis Fernandes, KIFF Referees Administrator, was called upon to give the trophy to the Paradiso Juniors. The man of the match was awarded to Arman of KFC and was presented by Philip Ferrao, Coach of Curtorcares United and the first scorer of the finals award was presented by John Towell to KFC's Papis. Prizes for the man of the match and gifts for the officiating referees were sponsored by GWS President Carmo Santos. The proceedings were compered by Salvador Dias, President of Curtorcares United. A vote of thanks was proposed by Irkan Fidan.View Pictures at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulf-goans/message/5749 - Exclusive Report by http://www.goa-world.com Team Goa-World.Com Associate, Gaspar Almeida, contributed to this report. (This report also appears in Kuwait's popular English daily, Arab Times of 28 April 2005).
[Goanet]Steel plant to pollute the Western ghats - ecological disaster
ECOLOGICAL DISASTER IN FORM OF UP COMING SPONGE IRON PLANT IN THE WESTERN GHATS - LONDA FOREST,BELGAUM DISTRICT, KARNATAKA BELGAUM DISTRICT Well! the recent news is about new steel plant coming up in the ecologically sensitive and most fragile western ghats - just close to Londa Railway station , surrounded by the thick forest in the Belgaum district - the group is from goa Kundil Ispat Ltd - township of nearly 25000 population is going to established in the dense forests around here - which is going to being immensely damaging to the environment and forest around. The area has been already under consideration for BHIMGAD WILDLIFE SANCTUARY and the Ministry of Enviornment and forest New Delhi is already looking towards declaring the same area as eclogically sensitve area. There is already case going with the centrally empowered commmittee of the Hon'ble Supreme Court with regard to provide protection to this area and to looking into the declining forest cover in the ghats. please send information about the Kundil Ispat ltd of Goa and other d detail we really want to know more. On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 sebastian Rodrigues wrote : > > >> Residents of Bicholim town in North Goa today evening organised road blokade at the Bicholim Bus stand. Some of them belonged to a group called MARG- Movement towards Amity to Roads in Goa. The demand was to stop dust dust pollution due to transportation of iron ore through trucks inside the city. 50 People from Bicholim grouped together at 4.pm at the bus stand and then started stopping the mining trucks that were not covered properly by the tarpoline.
[Goanet]OVERSEAS INDIAN CITIZENSHIP
Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs OVERSEAS INDIAN CITIZENSHIP The Minister of State (Independent charge) for Overseas Indian Affairs, Shri Jagdish Tytler told the Rajya Sabha today that the Citizenship Act, 1955 was amended in 2003 to provide for registration of Persons of Indian Origin from 16 specified countries who fulfill specified criteria as Overseas Citizens of India. These countries are: Australia, Canada, Finland, France, Greece, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Netherlands, New Zealand, Portugal, Republic of Cyprus, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom and United States of America. The Minister further told that the Ministry of Home Affairs has received nearly 2000 applications from the concerned Missions/Posts. However, the application form and the procedure for the Overseas Indian Citizenship Certificate are being revised/simplified by the Ministry of Home Affairs. Hence it has been decided to put the scheme on hold to enable all the applicants to avail of the revised application form and the simplified procedure. This information was given by Shri Tytler in reply to a question by Sh. Santosh Bagrodia, Sh. R.K. Anand & Sh. Harish Rawat. AK/SK/JA (courtesy: Press Information Bureau, Government of India) - Forwarded by http://www.goa-world.com/ WHAT'S ON AROUND WITH THE GOANS IN THE GULF: MAY BALL 2005 Date: 12-05-05Organized by Goan Welfare Society (GWS)-Kuwait Venue: Safir Palace Hotel, Riggea Band: Stepping Stones Highlights: Crowning of the MAY QUEEN 2005. YGC BAHRAIN MAY QUEEN BALL Date: 05-05-05Organized by: Young Goans Club, Bahrain Venue: Palace Inn Hotel Highlights: The YGC May Queen Contest ANNUAL MAY QUEEN BALL Date: 05-05-05Organized by Goan Welfare Associate(GWA), Qatar Venue: The Diplomatic Club. Highlights: Crowning of the May Queen. UPCOMING EVENT IN GOA: FRUIT FEST 2005 http://www.goa-world.com/goa/fruitfest/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]The TWO RUPEES Andaman story which makes intriguing reading
Two rupee tsunami aid "THIS WAS DONE AS PER OUR RULES"! Villagers in India's Andamans and Nicobar Islands have denounced 'paltry' tsunami compensation relief they have received from the local government. One woman received a cheque of just TWO RUPEES (less than five US cents) for damage to her coconut crops. The islands' chief administrator has now conceded that "ridiculous" cheques have been sent out to tsunami victims. Thousands of islanders were killed in the 26 December Indian Ocean tsunami and many survivors were made homeless. India's central government promised millions of dollars worth of aid to the Andamans after the tsunami. Scores of villagers in the worst hit Nicobar group of islands say they have been issued with cheques for small amounts of money. The BBC has seen a cheque for two rupees sent to Charity Champion, who lives in the village of Nancowrie, an island in the worst hit Nicobar group. more at BBC "This was done as per our rules fwd sans comment by JC for TGF Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.com * TGF at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d-list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] The War was Illegal.
--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Irrespective of the effects, the War on Iraq was >illegal. > The effects are not very pleasing either, unless all one cares about is a nominal democracy under foreign military occupation. Here are the titles, relevant excerpts and links of a couple of recent articles in the same newspaper that might give some critical insight into the situation on the ground: THIS IS OUR GUERNICA Ruined, cordoned Falluja is emerging as the decade's monument to brutality by Jonathan Steele and Dahr Jamail Wednesday April 27, 2005 RELEVANT EXCERPT: "In the 1930s the Spanish city of Guernica became a symbol of wanton murder and destruction. In the 1990s Grozny was cruelly flattened by the Russians; it still lies in ruins. This decade's unforgettable monument to brutality and overkill is Falluja, a text-book case of how not to handle an insurgency, and a reminder that unpopular occupations will always degenerate into desperation and atrocity." http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1471011,00.html IRAQ INSURGENCY GATHERS PACE Attacks on increase after lull, says US general by Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington Thursday April 28, 2005 RELEVANT EXCERPT: "Washington had hoped that the elections would serve as a turning point for Iraq and that the high turnout at the ballot box would bring some stability. But the Pentagon's figures suggested that while US troops have suffered fewer casualties in recent weeks, the overall level of violence remains the same as last year notwithstanding the spikes in Najaf and Falluja. The past week has seen a rise in attacks to 50 or 60 a day: bombings, shootings, rocket and mortar attacks." http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1471801,00.html Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Canada's "humanitarian ethics"
Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mervyn, > If the shoe fits then your friends should wear it. > If it doesn't, then I was not referring to them. So, Mario, you admit you may or may not have been refering to my friends? > Some of my debating adversaries on Goanet are now > cyber-friends because of this, even though they > may disagree with me on almost everything. Now I get it. Your friends are those who disagree with you :-) Mervyn3.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: [Goanet]Can the new POPE BENEDICT XVI make a change ???
--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Comment: President George Bush, while hugging, kissing and then taking the Saudi Prince by hand; should have requested parity in terms of practising ones religion. Alas all that President Bush is interested in, is oil and for that he is willing to go to bed with the Saudis! > Mario replies: Perhaps you are jealous and would like to join all the hugging and kissing going on. You are one of those who want to have it both ways. You have been castigating Bush for liberating Iraq from a brutal dictator, who is credited with being responsible for the deaths of over a million Iraqis, Iranis and Kuwaitis, then you turn around and demand that he interfere in another country's affairs by demanding parity in terms of practising religion in Saudi Arabia. Then you jump to your other facetious claim that "all" that Bush is interested in is oil, while the fact is that the US is less dependent on middle-east oil than several major European and far eastern countries, and if "all" that the US is interested in is oil, then why did they leave all that oil and return home in 1991, when they had total control of Kuwaiti oil and could have taken all the Iraqi oil as well.
[Goanet]Re: Wisdom of crowds - another perspective
All, Every now and then Fred raises the issue of silent goanetters and social capital. I believe he is genuinely interested in both and cannot think of any other cyberGoan who is more e-involved. As far as silent goanetters, I presume most are adults and will speak for themselves if they find the need to. They are probably the same who were silent in class, don't speak up at work or other public places. That's fine. At a personal level their silence may be costing them a promotion in the workplace or a good grade at the university. As long as no one is putting a gun to their head to be silent, I don't see a problem here although it would be simply nice to hear from them. Regarding social capital (or social deficit), I suppose it happens. Like branches on a tree, it grows inspite of our intentions. Perhaps there is a way to cultivate it, but I would not loose any sleep over this. Regards, George
[Goanet]HATCH, MATCH and DISPATCH
Viviana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mervyn - this is a very nice idea! I was named after > my deceased sister, how about you?? And, what is > your baby's name and how did you come about it? Viviana, My suggestion was aimed mainly at those who have not written here yet. However, if this is going to start the ball rolling, here is the reason we named our baby ELORA DAWN LOBO My wife and I decided to give our girl names that would: 1) Rhyme with the surname Lobo. 2) Give meaning to the surname (wolf.) 3) Be easy to holler, when calling her in for dinner. Her middle name, Dawn, was an easy choice. My name is difficult for Tanzanians to pronounce and most of them butcher it. Thus I tell them, Call me anything you want, but dont call me early in the morning. Keeping this in mind, I thought it would be a good idea to name the baby early in the morning :-) Arriving at the first name was more of a challenge. We looked up all, and I mean all, the names in English, Swahili, Konkani, French and Spanish and we could not agree on a name. Desperate, we consulted Cecil Pintos name da baby service. While Cecil came up with a few good ideas, he was unaware of the ex list of names that where not permissible. We were coming down to the wire when the name Elora was suggested. Elora Gorge is a scenic/fishing/camping spot close to Toronto. The entire gorge is a peaceful quite place, with mist rolling thru it in the morning. This is where I took my wife fishing on our first date in Canada. This is also the place, I am now told, that she decided to reel me in.. Mervyn3.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: [Goanet]The War was NOT Illegal.
Here is a key passage from the Guardian article: "The attorney general warned Mr Blair that Britain might be able to argue it could go to war on the basis of past UN resolutions, but only if there were "strong factual grounds" that Iraq was still in breach of its disarmament obligations." UN Resolution 1441 did not require any further authorization if Saddam did not comply. The attorney general was only opining on the "safe" legal course. Safe, for whom, for Saddam Hussain and the murderous Sunni Baathists, thats whom.. --- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Irrespective of the effects, the War on Iraq was > illegal. Hopefully > Pope Benedict XVI will reiterate this to President > Bush, the main > protagonist. > > http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2005/04/27/Iraq_legal_advice_.pdf > > Also:- > http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1471977,00.html > > Revealed: the government's secret legal advice on > Iraq war > > · Attorney general feared court challenge > · Weapons evidence was crucial > · Warnings never given to cabinet > > > -- > Cheers, > > Gabe Menezes. > London, England > >
[Goanet]Cafeteria Catholics and Cafeteria Goans
Hi Bosco: Here are some responses to many points raised in several posts. I reply to one logic (train of thought) and the other zings me from a different direction. Usually your posts are pretty sensible and unlike other posts there is consistency i.e.. rarely do they talk from sides of the mouth. However your comments baffle me right from the go. Here is your first statment. >I concede it could be unfortunate for "the kids" but tell us what is "wrong" And you go on to blame the church for annulling the divorced marriage. So I will save myself from trying to respond to the rest of your comments because I do not see a consistent perspective, but rather random thoughts which make it difficult to know whether you are for or against cafeteria (anything). Please you and others who are so inclined suggest to your own family that let's switch to cafeteria rules in your home from tomorrow. In two weeks perhaps you can end this sterile / theoretical debate by telling us your experience. Should I put a smiley face and give you that as an option / wriggle room? To Santosh: A fanatic / fundamentalist in my view may be going against the second commandment of Jesus (the first commandment was from Moses) which is: Love your neighbor as thyself. To Mario's question: If we all were pure /rigid Catholics we would be Saints. But we are not. But at least we should try. When we fail, we should be guilty of our failure. A cafeteria person thinks it is his/her right to go a la carte in the cafeteria with his/her own menu. He/She is on the pulpit saying look at me. And the rest of us say, "Smart Person or Great Chef.":=)) To George's and Bosco's questions about reforms. Nothing wrong with reform. But just practical experience in USA tells me that by most parameters, the practice of religion and Catholicism has declined post-reform. And some of the ones promoting reform IMHO appear to do so just to show their shallow interest and loyalty. George fits this category especially after making a great case during the election of the Pope. I pointed this about-face, so I will not repeat it again. As far as women priests, the women have ample opportunities to serve Christ, which is the fundamental reason to be a priest or nun. In the past women have done a splendid job of serving Christ and like men, the Church has awarded them with Sainthood. Today, unfortunately not enough women or men have vocations. And that to me is the biggest issue which women-priest will not address. It is my understanding that there is a greater interest / calling to join Mother Theresa order in the USA than to join the priesthood or other nunneries, which are far ahead in comfort and everything else that is worldly. IMHO changing the liturgy to native language has helped the average catholic and the church. Beyond that very little in the reforms has helped religion including the church being lax in the garb that nuns and priests wear. There are the unintended consequences of reforms that none of the pro-reformers seen to understand or care. Change for the sake of change results in, "I concede divorce could be unfortunate for the kids but tell us what is wrong" attitude. Regards "Bosco D'Mello" Gilbert Lawrence wrote: > Being a non-cafeteria Catholic or a non-cafeteria Goan does not make one a > fanatic. There is nothing wrong with being and staying married and going to > Sunday Church. There is something wrong with being divorced. Ask the kids. +++ I concede it could be unfortunate for "the kids" but tell us what is "wrong" with being divorced. And don't preach from a moral pulpit!! This is the 21st century!! Be practical !! The Catholic Church itself has annulled thousands of marriages.
[Goanet]Welfare of the aged retired tiatrists
Welfare of the aged retired tiatrists If anyone thinks about death which may come at any moment. I think surely no one would like to create enemity among ourselves. In my dramatic career I have acted, sung and composed numerous songs. I am proud of myself to do so. But I would like to tell my fellow tiatrist a death is waiting for us, which will end every part of our life, what remains is whatever good you do in this world to others, where you will always be remembered by the masses. Now coming to Kuwait Goa Tiatristanchi Sonvstha. This sonvstha was formed by a few dedicated tiatrists for the benefit of the aged and retired tiatrists. Till date these few tiatrist have worked for eight hours at their workplace and another 4 hours they have worked for the old and retired tiatrists begging with every Goans who love the art of tiatr, for helping our tiatrists back at home, tell me my Kuwait Goan brothers are these tiatrists wrong in any way??? I salute them as the President of this Sonvstha. God has given power to the devil to create evil among mankind, which the devil is all set to do. The Kuwait Goa Tiatristanchi Sonvstha is in the forefront with their hard work and sweat, they are all out to work for our needy brothers back at home. They have created history among any organization in Kuwait and the cheats and selfish people do not like the good work being done for others, their jealous motives will see the end soon. Devache bodiec avaz assonam After every show this sonsvtha sends money to these needy tiatrist for which the needy tiatrist are most grateful to the Kuwait Goa Tiatristanchi Sonvstha. We should not boast about ourselves but pray to the Almighty creator to give us strength understanding and good faith to carry on with the good work. An open letter was addressed to me by one Comedian Ben maybe a year ago. I would like to tell you Ben we at KGTS work for unity among Goan tiatrists and every Goan who loves tiatr art is welcome to this fold and we are not for division. Your open letter to me had no meaning cause whatever you had written on that open letter had no sense. Learn to earn your leaving for eight hours with hard work and than teach others your doctrine. We at KGTS are working and sweating for eight hours and even after our hard days works we are thinking about our needy tiatrist in Goa, our motherland. I have come to know about your evil thinkings on KGTS. God forbid one day you may need this sonvstha, of which you are ill thinker, dont get carried away by evil. For your information I have seen in front of my eyes young tiatrists like Francis de Parra, Bernand de Aldona, Bab Peter, Young Mendes who were wonderful singers bloomed and faded away. May God grant their souls eternal rest. Pride has a fall which I want you to remember always, you say Jesus loves you, but on the other hand you are trying to create evil. You cannot serve two masters at one time, either honour the Almighty God the creator of mankind or serve your true master that is the devil. Please come to your senses Ben because one day we all surely have to die. May the Almighty help us to work in the right direction. LONG LIVE KGTS LONG LIVE GOA. FRANCIS DE VERNA [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Supermarkets & Bazaars
Victor Rangel-Ribeiro wrote: "Fred Noronha wants to know why some of us don't contribute to this forum. I have a different question: Why don't some of us, who cannot argue reasonably and civilly, just shut up? " Dear Victor, I understand you and others who want civil debate and discussion on GoaNet, but I am also intrigued by why one does not see mass un-subscribe requests, if indeed this was as bad a place as it is made out to be. Just today I read a quote comparing Hollywood and Bollywood that rings a bell. Think of a supermarket and bazaar. At a supermarket everything is neatly organised and you can get exactly what you want. In a bazaar everything is noisy and messy and prices can always be negotiated. There's plenty of heat and dust and loud noises. Perhaps GoaNet is like a noisy bazaar? It is as important as a supermarket. And definitely more colourful and exciting. And people visit both, don't they? Cecil
[Goanet]Shouldn't our children be adequately informed?
George Pinto wrote: "Men, in their desire to dominate women, are dealing with their own sexual issues and adequacies (since this is a family-friendly forum I won't say more)." Dear George, It is unfair of you to make a controversial statement like that and keep it hanging in mid-air under the pretext of this being a 'family friendly' forum. If there are male 'issues and adequacies' that make men want to dominate women then we should know about them so we can bring up our children to be less gender biased. Cecil
[Goanet]Cheerleaders for GoaNet
Newbies rarely get words of encouragement or support -- Goanet probably needs Cheerleaders! Pat Dear Pat, I totally agree with you. In fact I urge the GoaNet Admin Team to have a Cheerleader Section with photos of GoaNet Cheerleaders and we can then have a vote for the best Cheerleaders. I could assist in composing some songs for the Cheerleaders to sing and we could rope in some choreographer to give his/her services free. Here's my initial draft for a Cheerleading anthem welcoming newbie GoaNetters. "We welcome you with open arms Even if you forward junk As Vivian said -You cant win, A pissing match with a skunk! There's vigilantes and tyrants here And the occasional vulture. Fair maiden fear thee not Don't remain a lurker" You try getting something to rhyme with 'lurker''!! Cecil
[Goanet]MARG to protest for policy on transport & traffic situation in Goa
- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ --- - MARG to hold sit-in protest on May 19 - The Movement for Amity towards Roads in Goa (MARG) has decided to hold a sit-in protest in Panaji on May 19, pressing for the need to formulate a proper policy on transport and traffic situation in state. Addressing a gathering of activists at Curchorem, the MARG convenor, Mr Gurunath Kelekar warned the administration that no cosmetic measures would serve the purpose of arresting road accidents and usher in discipline among road users. "A proper rational policy needs to be formulated and the people need to be taken into confidence," he said. Mr Kelekar charged all the past governments of having behaved in the most brutal and callous manner in this connection. Mr Kelekar felt that it was time for NGOs like MARG to come forward and accept the challenge. It was decided that MARG after the day-long dharna at Panaji would submit a memorandum to the authorities pointing out the 302 deaths reported on Goan roads, last year. The meeting further decided to make an appeal to senior officers in the state administration pertaining to roads including the Collectorate, PWD, transport, traffic, health and the municipality to personally interact with the citizens, where it is possible, on road transport issue. Mooting the need for rules and regulations to govern bicycle riders, MARG resolved to request municipal authorities in the state to immediately introduce some set of rules and regulations for safety of riders and pedestrians. It also demanded immediate action over the issue of roadside hoardings, which distract the attention of the drivers. Appreciating the work undertaken by the PWD of widening roads, blacktopping, channelising and marking of highways, the MARG called upon the authorities to install proper road signals which are badly needed. The former deputy superintendent of police (traffic), Mr Gurudas Juwarkar and Dr Tanaji Harlankar along with Mr Shailesh Sansgiri were among those who spoke on the occasion. -- The Navhind Times 28/4/05 page 5 -- --- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- an initiative of GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE to promote civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goacan.org ---
[Goanet]Query about website for Konkani songs...
Luzette, I'll forward your query to Goanet, asking if anyone could offer some help. FN PS: Please also copy your reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DATE: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:42:37 - SUBJECT: goan songs Hi Does anyone know a website where we can download goan songs from the 70s or 60s, by singers, : c. alvares, anthony mendes, alfred rose... etc. _ _/ \Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa \ __\/\ India T +91.832.2409490 M +919822 122436 | | | | \ http://fn.swiki.net http://goabooks.swiki.net |__| |___| / http://www.bytesforall.net http://www.bytesforall.org \/ - If you are related to the field of IT (or even if not) please visit http://www.bytesforall.org, a network on how computers can help the commonman, and http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bytesforall_readers
Re: [Goanet]HATCH, MATCH and DISPATCH
Mervyn - this is a very nice idea! I was named after my deceased sister, how about you?? And, what is your baby's name and how did you come about it? Viviana Mervyn Lobo wrote: Folks, In the quest for more participation from the ‘silent’ members here, may I suggest the following? One of the other nets I subscribe to, has a heading called “Hatch, Match and Dispatch” reserved for announcements of births, marriages and deaths. Births and marriages are surely happy occasions. In some birth announcements, people also write on how they went about getting the baby’s name. The announcement of a death is usually supported by a description/synopsis of the life lived. An email address in the message also allows those who feel like it, to congratulate/condole the person directly. How about giving this a try here, with the silent rule that no one attacks any posting with this heading? Mervyn3.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
[Goanet]Goanet News Bytes * Apr 28, 2005 * IFFI comes to Goa again
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] G o a n e t - N e w s B y t e s APRIL 28, 2005 DATELINE: GOA ... . ... .. ... .||.Founded in 1994 || || .| '|. '' .|| || || .|...|| || by Herman |'' || || .|' || || || || || Carneiro '. '|..|' '|..'|' .||. ||. '|...' '|.' http://www.goanet.org .|' To unsubscribe from this list, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you find this ezine useful, please recommend it to your friends and others from Goa. To sign-up http://newsfromgoa.swiki.net [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] IN TODAY'S EZINE: Governor Jamir confirms that India's next international film festival will be held in Goa again, this year-end. Among the news, a story of long-delayed compensation for an expat death in Kuwait -- thanks to bureaucratic indifference? Also, an update of what's showing in the cinema and on the tiatr stage, Dr Cornel DaCosta's review of what Goanet is discussing, and tips on how to sprout your beans from the Noronhas of Chorao GOA TO HOST IFFI this year too, Governor Jamir told journalists in Margao. (H) o Common Entrance Test, for students seeking entrance to professional exams, will be held on April 30 and May 2. This has proven to be a controversial decision to implement. (NT) o Margaret Alva says 'elections' for Luizinho Faleiro's successor as Goa Congress chief will happen on April 29 or 30. (NT) o Re-float River Princess on time, Governor S C Jamir tells the company working on the ship marooned off the Candolim coast for the past five years. (H) o Lady police sub-inspector offers to quit in Vasco, citing harassment.(H) o Amona-Khandola ferry withdrawn, as a bridge has been built there. (H) o Governor says efforts on to streamline Hospicio hotel. (H) o BJP's Sahakar Bharti is making a determined bid to take control of the Rajya Sahakar Sangh, a state-level cooperative body. MLA Harish Zantye and MGP chief Pandurang Raut's panel are battling over the Bicholim Urban Cooperative Bank. (H) o Goa University alters admission procedures for some courses. Graduates from affiliated colleges will not have to answer entrance exams, excepting in MSc in Chemistry and Master of Financial Services. (H) o Big Foot is organising a children's art camp from May 2 to 4, 2005. Maendra Alvares of Loutolim has been working really hard on his project. o Low turn-out for Jamir's Margao visit. (H) o Assolna deputy sarpanch Antonette Dias has been elected the new sarpanch of the village, in place of Mario D'Souza who quit last month. She was the lone nominee to the post. (H) KUWAIT COMPENSATION TO GOAN FAMILY CAUGHT UP IN OFFICIALDOM: Compensation of Rs 19.95 lakh awarded in Kuwait is yet to be paid to the family of Goan expat Benedict Socorro Fernandes (57) of Divar, who worked in Kuwait for some 23 years. He was waiting for a colleague in a lane where traffic is prohibited, when a racer car driven by a shaikh's son hit him and dragged him a distance of 10 metres. A draft for cash payment was sent to the North Goa collectorate in December 2004. But the family says they have been running from pillar to post to collect it. Officials said they had "cleared" the file, but were unaware why the payment was pending for so long. The Goan Welfare Society played a role in helping with this case. (Gilbert D'Mello in Herald) DEMO AND WORKSHOP of Korg Keyboards on April 28 and 29 at Pro Acoustic Centre, Sodder's City Castle, Khorlim, Mapusa. BRIBES OFFERED TO CONVERT COMUNIDADE LAND: Eric Godinho, attorney of the Nerul comunidade, said plans for afforestation was met with some disagreement. "A few people did not agree with this (afforestation) project. They had ideas to give the land for real estate, urging me that we could make some money also," he says. (Andrew Pereira, reporting in Herald) SOCORRO RESIDENTS FLAY WATER-SELLING BY TANKERS: Residents of Ambirna-Socorro have complained that water from a well at Ambirna is being drawn and sold by tankers, in violation of the Goa Ground Water Regulation Act, 2002. They said that tankers GDX 232 and GDX 50 are being used for the transportation of the water. (H) - DEATHS & OBITUARIES - CURCA: Antonio Fernandes Brito Da Costa, ex AIR. Son of late Estevao and late Furtunata. Husband of Mary. Father/in-law of Jaqueline/Francis, Deborah/Roy, Savio/Shirley. Grand-dad of Kevin, Kieran, Jonathan and Crystal. TIVIM: Paulo Marcal de Melo of Cansa, b 1924. Husband of Maria Piedade de Melo (Filomena), father/in-law of Savia/Benjamin (ex-Muscat), I
[Goanet]From Diocesan Centre for Social Communications Media
GOA CELEBRATES THE NEW POPE In pursuance of the Circular of the Archbishop of Goa and Daman, dated 20th instant, a Solemn Pontifical Mass, presided over by the Archbishop, will be held in the Cathedral Church of Old Goa tomorrow, Saturday, to thank God for the gift of the new Pope, Benedict XVI. All the Priests, Religious and Catholic faithful of Goa have been encouraged to participate in this celebration in great numbers, while people of other faiths are welcome to join in. The Solemn Mass, which will begin at 10 a.m., will be preceded, at 9.30, by a Prayer Service and by an audio-visual presentation on the new Pope. A special feature at the end of the Mass will be the Te Deum, a traditional Latin Hymn of Solemn Thanksgiving, sung in Gregorian Chant. Before the dispersal of the congregation, the people will be invited to stand while the Papal Anthem is played on the sound system. PRESS NOTE Work Timings at Archbishop's House While the Offices at Archbishop's House, Altinho, will be closed tomorrow, 30th instant, the Day of the Mass for the Pope at Old Goa, they will remain open, throughout the month of May, only in the morning time, i.e. from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m. Fr. J. Loiola Pereira Secretary, DCSCM
[Goanet]HATCH, MATCH and DISPATCH
Folks, In the quest for more participation from the silent members here, may I suggest the following? One of the other nets I subscribe to, has a heading called Hatch, Match and Dispatch reserved for announcements of births, marriages and deaths. Births and marriages are surely happy occasions. In some birth announcements, people also write on how they went about getting the babys name. The announcement of a death is usually supported by a description/synopsis of the life lived. An email address in the message also allows those who feel like it, to congratulate/condole the person directly. How about giving this a try here, with the silent rule that no one attacks any posting with this heading? Mervyn3.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
[Goanet]Sporting Clube hit by injuries
Sporting Clube hit by injuries April 28, 2005 16:57 IST Sporting Clube De Goa's aspirations to clinch their maiden National Football League title suffered a blow after their in-form players Edeh Chidi and Joseph Pereira raced against time to be fit for Friday's match against Vasco. The two players suffered ankle injuries during the match against Tollygunge and are doubtful starters against Vasco. "It is a deliberate attempt to injure our key players so as to keep the Goan teams out of the title," Sporting Clube President Peter Vaz said on Thursday. "The injuries to Chidi and Joseph Pereira are a major concern as both are doubtful starters. The return of Medio Adebayo Adwusi and defender Vincent Peres will add solidity to the team, who need to win this crucial match to be in stay for the title along with East Bengal and Dempo", he said. Vaz, however, made it clear that his team would go all out to win tomorrow's match. "Vasco's confidence has been raised after their win against Fransa Pax and they will be going all out to win their remaining matches to keep their hopes alive. Our boys are prepared for it and will go all out for a win," Vaz said. Sporting at 39 points from 19 matches are on par with East Bengal, and are placed on top of the league table for having scored more number of goals than East Bengal. Dempo are a close third with 38 points from 18 matches. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
[Goanet]Baina beach needs urgent attention
- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ --- --- Baina beach needs urgent attention -- The Baina beach of Vasco needs urgent attention from the state administration. Due to the flesh trade, which stopped after evacuation and demolition of sex cubicles, it was totally neglected by the citizens. However, post-demolition it is slowly buzzing with people's presence and could be developed as one of the major tourist spots in Goa.Cultural programmes and other social activities were held soon after the evacuation, however, the pace of holding such programmes has slowed down considerably. The Mormugao Municipality had planned various projects for the upgradation of this beach, but none of those could be materialised due to unstable council. When this reporter contacted some of the citizens on the beautification issue, they opined that this is possible only with the combined efforts of citizens as well as the concerned authorities. A senior journalist and an employee of Mormugao Port Trust (MPT), Mr Shyam Kaskar stated that the beach has been neglected and needs beautification. He further said that after the demolition of the cubicles the beach was opened for public and some organisations arranged entertainment events. But thereafter it has remained idle most of the time, he added. Mr Kaskar said the government and the local authorities should motivate the social and cultural organisations to hold entertainment programmes. "If the open area is not developed immediately, again the slums and other illegal structures will come up with the blessings of politicians and nobody will stop them," he observed adding such things happened in the past at Mangor Hill as well as at Baina. A young businessman, Mr Narayan Surlkar stated, "The Baina beach, our only prized possession was in the clutches of our dreaded politicians and corporators who helped to develop it as a commercial sex centre for vote bank." "We are thankful for the efforts of social organisations, dynamic citizens, besides the Bombay High Court's Goa bench in particular for its landmark judgment," he added. The beautification of Baina beach will bring in lot of tourists and it will be like a boon to the people of Vasco for their evening walks and their other social gatherings, he said. The cleaning and beautification process will go a long way in bringing Vasco on the tourist map of India. The people displaced due to this process should be given rightful alternate accommodation or land. When contacted, Ms Balika Chodankar, a 62-year-old woman from Sasmolem-Baina, said the beach is a must for bathing during the summer as the people get reprieve from certain diseases. She also said that the concerned authorities should take care of the beach. The Navhind Times 28/04/05 page 3 === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy ===
[Goanet]RE: Goanet News Bytes * Apr 27, 2005 * Take care of your money...
I was greatly interested in the segment about Goa's history and was glad to find some valuable confirmation for a (very!) few of my nascent impressions about Goa! Thanks.
[Goanet]Re: Women Priests
Mario Gouveia wrote: There are millions of Catholic women who don't suffer the same angst as you seem to be suffering on their behalf. That dear Mario, may perhaps be because half those millions of Catholic women have been brainwashed since birth that they are only entitled to be second class citizens in the Church and the other half, clearly see the system as it is and don't really care to be part of it. Diana
[Goanet]What are we fighting for...
"Philip Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On goanet we sure do seem to be fighting over SOMETHING! What it is I dont know yet. Let me suggest an answer (a thousand answers?), though I could be wrong: o Over your vision versus mine about Goa's history, geography (aqui e Portugal, Goa Indica, an independent country?), culture, language, definition of what it means to be a Goan... and the like o For attention, notice, our place in the sun, the craving for recognition. o Over the right way to run a mailing list. Your definition doesn't tally with mine o Over the last word o Over eyeballs, built up over 10 years, and now could be misused as a sitting duck for anyone wanting to package a party, product or whatever. I am also not sure what social capital is being built. But, hey, good luck with the efforts! Frankly, neither am I very sure, Prof Thomas. But then, building social capital isn't a very easy job. From my understanding, there is no fool-proof way of doing it. One never knows when one is getting there... or whether the 'social capital' being built is of a negative kind! Anyway, we value readers like you who have consistently given us interesting inputs, never grumbled (about what *others* are doing) and have consistently added value to Goanet. While on this issue, Prof. I would be personally grateful if you could kindly lead a discussion on the issue of social capital, what goes into building it, and whether at all we could hope to achieve something via a Net-based mailing list such as this (or whether ours is only a pipe dream!) FN _ _/ \Frederick Noronha * Freelance Journalist * Goa \ __\/\ India T +91.832.2409490 M +919822 122436 | | | | \ http://fn.swiki.net http://goabooks.swiki.net |__| |___| / http://www.bytesforall.net http://www.bytesforall.org \/ - If you are related to the field of IT (or even if not) please visit http://www.bytesforall.org, a network on how computers can help the commonman, and http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bytesforall_readers
[Goanet]Goanet News Bytes * Apr 27, 2005 * Take care of your money...
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] G o a n e t - N e w s B y t e s APRIL 27, 2005 DATELINE: GOA ... . ... .. ... .||.Founded in 1994 || || .| '|. '' .|| || || .|...|| || by Herman |'' || || .|' || || || || || Carneiro '. '|..|' '|..'|' .||. ||. '|...' '|.' http://www.goanet.org .|' To unsubscribe from this list, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you find this ezine useful, please recommend it to your friends and others from Goa. To sign-up http://newsfromgoa.swiki.net [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] IN TODAY'S EZINE: Take care of your money! NBFCs are back again... Faleiro resigns as head of the Congress party apparatus in Goa. Interesting career options for nursing and medicine in Bangalore. Links to what our readers say, and much more. NON-BANKING FINANCE COMPANIES (NBFCs) are back in Goa to swindle gullible investors. Many of the companies who had duped Goans upto Rs 50 crore (Rs 500 million) are slowly re-entering the Goan market in a new 'avataar', selling off their property, duping investors once again by not returning their money, and getting off scot-free with no action being taken to bring them to book. (Gary Azavedo in the Herald) o Luizinho Faleiro resigns at Goa Pradesh Congress Ctee chief. (NT) Sonia Gandhi accepts Faleiro's resignation. (GT) Ponda MLA Ravi Naik is favourite for the post. Known to be a major leader of the Bahujan Samaj (middle and lower castes), Naik has also found acceptance among the majority of the Congress leaders who were consulted by the High Command over the presidentship of the party.(H) o Government yet to decide on 'Goa evening' at Cannes festival. (NT) o Worker dies on board River Princess, no case booked yet. (GT) o Matanhy Saldanha, concerned about sprouting of illegal constructions in his Cortalim constituency, urges Governor to demolish illegal structures and avoid unplanned growth of 'shanties'. (GT) o Politicians sabotage razing of 50 illegal huts in Colva. (H) o Goa's boxing coach Praveen Shirodkar not paid for almost a year. (H) o Fans get taste of bull-fight; spectator gored at Benaulim. (H) o Kolkata couple attempt suicide at Old Goa hotel. (H) o All road digging must end by May 15, says North Goa collector. (H) TEACHER'S HOME, TEMPLE OF EARNING? In a blatant violation of the Goa Coaching Classes (Regulation) Act, teachers charge and willing parents pay as much as Rs 15,000 per subject. Teachers of government and government-aided schools, who have been banned from taking private tuition, take these classes. There is no regulation of the fees charged or the conditions in which these coaching shops operate. (GT) o GOOD NEWS FOR CONSUMERS: Goa government has clarified that the newly implemented Value Added Tax (VAT) is NOT payable over and above the Maximum Retain Price (MRP) marked on packaged communities. Says the Commissioner of Commercial Taxes, "The MRP marked on the packaged commodities is inclusive of all taxes, and as such, no VAT can be charged by a dealer over and above MRP, as MRP includes VAT." Only in the case of medicines which allow 'local tax extra' VAT is chargeable at 4%. For ages, consumers in Goa too have been over-charged, with receipts seldom issues against cash paid, causing huge tax leakages. - DEATHS & OBITUARIES - CAMURLIM: Charles D'Cunha of Maina Patto. Son of Martin/Patsy, brother of Joseph, Eddy, Sr Melba, Anne, Angela, Julie, Francis Rita. Funeral to St Rita's Church on April 28. MARGAO: Marcus D'Costa, son of Rosa A Aguiar D'Costa and late Julio D'Costa. Brother/in-law of Divina/James, Filu. Funeral on April 27, directly to Grace Church. Expired on April 19. No condolence visits please. MARGAO: Jose Inacio Crasto (Bakar) of Madeel Pequeno. Husband of late Maria Joana, father/in-law of John/Inacinha, Rosario (MPT), Socorina, Cathy/Henry (Goa Shipyard), late Socorina. b 1930. QUEPEM: Martha M Dias of Bombay/Quepem. Wife of late Anthony P Dias (ex-ANZ Grindlays, Bombay), mother/in-law of Aretha/Fideles (Kuwait), Peter/Dumiana (Canada), late Gwyneth/Nicholas (Kuwait) and Eldrich/Loretta (Bombay). Grandmum of Muriel, Gloyne, Karen, Winrich, Gwyneth, Nicole, Godwin, Avril and Shannon. Funeral at Quepem, April 28. SANGUEM: Paulo Rapoz of Dabal. Husband of Pascalin, father/in-law of Gabriel/Rufin, Oscar, Concy/Percy Fernandes, Sheryl/Leo Gonsalves. VEREM: Reginald 'Reggie' D'Silva of Reis Magos, 84 years old. Husband of Mary, father of Alfred/Joyce, Cassandra/Alfred, late Teresa/Avelino, Mario/Fatima, John/Valencia and Kenneth/Lovel
[Goanet]The War was Illegal.
Irrespective of the effects, the War on Iraq was illegal. Hopefully Pope Benedict XVI will reiterate this to President Bush, the main protagonist. http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2005/04/27/Iraq_legal_advice_.pdf Also:- http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1471977,00.html Revealed: the government's secret legal advice on Iraq war · Attorney general feared court challenge · Weapons evidence was crucial · Warnings never given to cabinet -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]U.K. elections May 5th.
We are to go to the elections on 5th May 2005 here in the U.K. Although it is widely assumed that the Labour Party will get in once again, it is hoped that the British voters will show their disdain to the Iraq War which was illegal. It is intended that the voters will deliver a bloody rebuke. P.M. Tony Blair misled Cabinet, Parliament and the People in his quest to ride with President Bush. Quote;- Crucial warnings Blair kept from MPs TONY Blair suffered a devastating blow last night as it emerged that the legal advice he had been given before the Iraq war bore little resemblance to the summary he presented to parliament. Full article: http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=452952005 [82.43.157.207] Unquote. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Foreign Tourists (TOI)
Today's TOI had a graphic about state-wise foreign tourists in 2003. Goa with 314 thousand is placed 8th neck and neck with Kerala with 295 thousand. Immediately ahead is AP with 479 thousand. The demand for foreign tourism to Goa may be pent up and would easily double or even triple if Goa simply had proper aviation facilites and connections. Currently over 90% of seasonal charter flights to India are accounted for by Goa.
[Goanet]Dayanand Social Security scheme. (DSSS)
Just wondering if all the Goan senior citizens (Rich & Poor) are entitled to Rs.500/month pesion or just the deserving ones.. Once, while I was having a chat with a Goan (London) I asked him whether he regularly sends money to his Mom back home (Goa). He sends 100 pounds (Rs.8200) once in 3 months plus his mother gets Govt.Pension Rs.500 per month. plus they have a property to live on. In an other case, in Goa, a well to do family, Father being retired Seaman, One son in the US (wife in Goa), one son works in Gulf, 2 other sons work for Goan hotels etc Retired seaman get their pension and on top Govt. Pension. When asked one the the sons said the local MLA helped them (who also belongs to the same caste 'Charddo' or 'Gaumkars') It looks like half the pension fund goes to the rich or to the friends and family of MLAs, Sarpanchas, panchas etc Both congress and BJP assured that the pension would be raised to Rs.700pm if come back to power. Both also assured starting of 'dole' payment to unemployed youth. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: Perks (TOI)
Headline: "CSD may have to live with VAT hangover" [TOI, Apr 28] Excerpt: < In Delhi ..prices have gone up by 10 to 15% on different items with liquor prices showng the sharpest hike of 20% ... Officers and jawans . remain furious that the government has altered their sevice conditions [perks]suddenly ... With a network of around 3500 canteens and a turnover of Rs 5200 cr, CSD caters to around 4.5 million serving and retired personnel> Question: How many military personnel are estimated to be based in Goa?
Re: [Goanet]Can the new POPE BENEDICT XVI make a change ???
On 27/04/05, Elvin Godinho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It has been widely published that the new Pope is keen to have a dialogue > with Muslims. Through this dialogue we hope & pray that foremost the new > pope can bring about a genuine change the way Christians are treated in > Muslim Nations.Riyadh: Saudi Arabia has detained 40 > Pakistani Christians for holding prayers at a house in the kingdom, where practising any religion other than Islam is illegal... Comment: President George Bush, while hugging, kissing and then taking the Saudi Prince by hand; should have requested parity in terms of practising ones religion. Alas all that President Bush is interested in, is oil and for that he is willing to go to bed with the Saudis! Sources inform that President Bush's closest friends are caught in a bear stranglehold. They have gone short on oil, while that big Goldman Sachs (Jewish) Investment Bank has gone very long and is squeezing them till it squeaks. Manmohan of India, has rescinded the move to apply value added tax on Diesel fuel, he saw Bush's embrace of the Saudi Prince and thought; hey, thank God for this Gay President. Hopefully the oil price might come down. In the meantime the Oil price stubbornly won't come down below 50 USD. The longer we stay at these levels the better the chances of a spike upwards. No doubt, President Bush will be scratching his head ( like he is want to do) - 'heck I kissed and hugged the Guy what else do you want me to do?' Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London England.
Re: [Goanet]Re: Cafeteria Catholics & women priests
Victor, Good one ! But who are those ? .. * SOME OF US * let .7000 plus or so , tell us. rene --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Here we are again, fellow Goanetters, not discussing > issues that raised > so much heat and dust in the past, and once again > some of us are > throwing dirt at the others. "You are this" and "You > are that" and who > knows what else. > When will some of us ever stop throwing stones > at other people? > Fred Noronha wants to know why some of us don't > contribute to this > forum. I have a different question: Why don't some > of us, who cannot > argue reasonably and civilly, just shut up? > Regards to one and all, even the > stonethrowiers--- > Victor Rangel-Ribeiro, Porvorim and New York > > -Original Message- > From: George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: goanet@goanet.org > Sent: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:56:52 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [Goanet]Re: Cafeteria Catholics & women > priests > > --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > George, > > You, too, need to relax and let me find out the > official reasons, if > any, > before continuing > > this drumbeat of accusations. > > Do not assume because you do not know the "official > reasons" that > others like me > are ignorant > about this topic and are simply making accusations. > All the fancy > latin phrases > and "doctrinal & > theological" reasons are not convincing. But do not > let me stop you > from your > own education in > these matters. > > > > Since when did you become such an expert on > Catholic doctrine and > practice > that > > you "know" everything with such certainty? > > As I have mentioned before, I know very little, I am > an expert on > nothing, and > have never claimed > to know everything (or anything) with certainty. I > am happy to be > corrected > with facts, logical > arguments and hope to learn something. Eventually I > hope to impress my > neighbor's dog as no one > else is impressed. It should not be too difficult as > the dog does not > seem to > know what is going > on most of the time and I think I can fool it. > > > > If your mind is closed, that is quite another > matter. > > Just this morning I tried to open my mind but it > started to rain and I > did not > want it to get wet. > I will try again tomorrow but the weather people > have predicted > sunshine. > However, like the > Vatican higher-ups, they have been known to be wrong > before. > > Regards, > George > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Jamboulam seeds
Jambul seed powder (Vaccum dried and spray dried) fortified with Chromium Picolinate (from Brewers Yeast) and Two natural and most potent Herbs- Garcinia cambogia and Ginseng) , can be obtained from Mr Bennie Dsouza (Food Technologist) Tel 022-28478150 (Mobile) 9819477847 - Mumbai, India. Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] He has his factory at Sawantwadi (Maharashtra) near Goa. Price was Rs75/-for 100 gm packet. Anyone interested may write to Mr Bennie on his aforesaid email address. Joseph Fernandes Mumbai India Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony
[Goanet]Re: Zambllam
re-sent In salcette, we have two varieties TelZambllam (these are good and are available in market for sale) Dhodde (Zambllam) these are stone shaped (deformerd) and usually with worms inside. I also remember, we were advised not to drink water after eating zambllam and still dont know why? Punn udok piot zalear matxem fugasao (orxen) koxen zatalem, this could be the reason? Ever tasted 'Zambllamchi xerop' syrup? Hoboda lagta. Ever heard that old Story of 'Kolmama & Kolmami'? Where Kolo-mama aplea bhonkak puspusun zambllam udoita...? Kolmamaceh ghor Xennachem ani Kolmamichem ghor mennachem? Zambllam mitt laun matxe Votak galunk zai, magir kitem lagtat zannam? Zambllanchem khot (Stain) ropak (clothes) lagot zalear koxench vochona. Zambllam khailear, jib (tongue) zambllikorachi zata and it stays that way for many hours. for NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ for SFX Expo & cheap Goa flights info.. http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/LetsGotoGoa/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]RE: Wisdom of Crowds
Repeating once again I asked some of my friends why they dont post on Goanet? Their answer was: Ek Sanglear, dha aikpak poddta? (If you say one, have to listen 10) One thing I like about this forum is...You cannot post any crap here... Even if you do..you have to be ready for an answer. Regards Eddie Verdes > Vivian D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > So to keep one's self respect, it is better to refrain > from "ad nauseum " arguments. That is why so many of > us on this forum prefer to remain silent. >>
[Goanet]Goanet Reader -- Let a thousand Konkani(s) bloom
LET A THOUSAND KONKANI(S) BLOOM Of "myths", hegemony, dominant groups and language in Goa In mid-April 2005, the Jesuit priest-linguist Pratap Naik sj of the Thomas Stevens Konknni Kendr at Alto Porvorim raked up a big debate with his talk titled 'Konkani: Myths and Facts'. At Goanet's request, he posted the summary to cyberspace. See http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2005-April/026860.html Goa University sociologist Alito Siqueira responds with his personal views on the issue, in a letter to Dr Naik. This post raises crucial, yet often neglected, issues of caste, and de-legitimisation of certain forms of Konkani, among other issues. It also continues an eager debate already underway on the specialist Goa-Research-Net mailing list. Numbers in the text refer to Dr Naik's arguments available at the URL above. Dear Pratap, I enjoyed your presentation on Friday, April 15 (2005) as you competently confronted more or less popular perceptions of Konkani with established proposition from the domain of linguists. As you ended, like one of the persons who reacted to you, I too wondered: You have identified and spoken on some tress, but where is the forest? I was a bit taken aback by the strength and passion you stimulated in your audience though not so much by the substantive issues raised. I have been thinking about all this since. This letter to you is catharsis of sorts for me and much more than that too. I cannot but take you seriously also because I have empathy with your concern and demand that a thousand Konkanis should bloom and that in the current dispensation Sashti, Malwani, Romi, etc. have been short-changed. I identify with you when you began with explaining 'myth' expressing some fundamental 'truth' (meta reality) and so also that they nevertheless represent interests, political interests. On the other hand 'myth' is also opposed to 'fact' (reality). 'Myth' therefore elicits highly ambivalent meanings. Myth can mean an utter falsehood and, on the contrary, a sacred truth. It is this deep and profound play between that which is not real and is at once meta real (yet to be real?) that gives myth its power -- an indispensable necessity for human aspiration and survival. In your presentation you chose to limit yourself to only one meaning of myth i.e. the Myth of Konkani as opposed to the Facts of Konkani. What was the proposition that informed the construction of most of the 'myths' you identified? It seems to me your underlying thesis -- correct me if I am wrong -- is that "Konkani has been and is an instrument of Saraswat hegemony". I go along with that too. However to me the many myths you identified that support the hegemony proposition are as much myths in the more profound (meta reality) sense and not in the sense that they are contrary to facts. Let me explain with some illustrations: Myth IV.7 is 'Shenai Goybab awakened in us the Konkani identity'. You challenge this by arguing that Goybab's influence was on only one particular community. Valid as this is, it is also true that once the Saraswats aligned their own identity with Konkani, like any dominant group they also sought to create a pan-Goan Konkani identity by offering their language dialect as the most refined marker of that identity. That is, at a time when the politics of creating geographical boundaries demanded unique cultural identity markers it is precisely the Saraswats who used their Konkani to win the support (arrive at a consensus or compromise) of non-dominant groups around Konkani as language and culture of the region. This was indeed a movement of resistance against the effort to erase any identity for this region by submerging it in Maharashtra. Clearly it was the dominant community that had to lead such a movement of resistance and it was done rather successfully. Today Goa as political and cultural entity -- however much contested and unfinished it may yet be -- owes its existence in large measure to the construction of Konkani as a language and culture and the origins of this lie in the works of Goybab. (The seminal works of Orientalists such Cunha Riviera or Dalgado important as they have been, seem to have lacked an organic relationship to the community that could have exercised such dominance). Hence Goybab emerges as the icon of this identity. The fact that Goybab may not be popular and that his writings are unfamiliar even to some of best known Konkani writers is simply not at issue. (How many of the workers who died for communism read Karl Marx or for that matter how many of those who swear by Christ read the Bible or even the New Testament for that matter). An icon's ideas are diffused through the people even while the people may never know
Re: [Goanet]HERALD: Update on Mopa ... and miscellany
Philip, Our plans for creating a Goa Airlines is in serious trouble. As many readers may know, Air India has decided to acquire several Boeing aircraft, not to mention the 777 200LR. This will hopefully enable direct flights from America's west coast to Bombay. Marlon --- Philip Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Headline: "Bangalore, Hyderabad airports approved: > Patel" [April 27]. > > Excerpt: minister said State > Governments had proposed to build airports in view > of increased number of > tourists at ... MOPA (GOA) [emphasis in original], > Chakan [code name for > Pune greenfield a/p] and Navi Mumbai > (Maharashtra)... However permission had > been granted only to Bangalore and Hyderabad > airports to be taken up by > respective joint venture companies.>
[Goanet]HERALD: Update on Mopa ... and miscellany
Headline: "Bangalore, Hyderabad airports approved: Patel" [April 27]. Excerpt: Pointers: 1) Goa government has communicated its approval for Mopa. 2) The Civil Aviation Minister will take the final decision about going ahead with Mopa 3) The Chakan a/p is slated to cost a mere Rs 550 cr while Navi Mumbai might chime in at a whopping Rs 3,230 cr. These compare with Rs 1,400 cr each for Bangalore and Hyderabad. 4) Chakan bears close watching in Goa because it may be a fall out over the dispute between local industry and the IAF about restrictions at the existing military controlled Pune airport. The Air Chief late last year even hinted at joint management of the "national asset". Updates on this tussle would be appreciated vis a vis Goa's problem at Dabolim.
[Goanet]What should Goa's strategy be?
http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage.php?hpFlag=Y&chklogin=N&au tono=187334&leftnm=lmnu5&lselect=0&leftindx=5 New urban options Business Standard / New Delhi April 28, 2005 A flood of foreign direct investment in real estate is expected, now that the government has eased the restrictions in this sector. .. ... ... .. ... ... It is not easy to change the existing landscape, but new vistas beckon because India can build small new cities next to congested old cities. .. ... ... .. ... ... But if new towns are to develop speedily, states have a vital role to play in changing the laws that have led to urban disaster and in taking all the necessary steps that facilitate private investment. For instance, state governments must help acquire the land for development projects that aim for critical mass, allowing infrastructure costs to be amortised within the overall costs. .. ... ... ---
[Goanet]Demand to include Kannada and Roman script during Akademy Awards.
Mangalore: Demand to include Kannada and Roman script while giving Akademy awards. "We will continue Kannada script in Karnataka as before. But in this era of globalization we need to go along with the happenings of this world. As a large number of our people have migrated from their native place and they keep migrating, use of internet and mobile sms have become the part and parcel of our life and also our people opt to take up education in English medium we find a need of learning a additional Roman script in order to keep continue to communicate in Konkani. That is the reason we find the need of learning Roman script now" said Dr. Edward Nazareth secretary of Karnataka Konkani Writers Forum (Regd) a organization that has more than hundred reputed Konkani writers who use Kannada script for their writings. He was giving an introductory address during a seminar to learn Roman script jointly organised by Karnataka Konkani Writers Forum(regd) and Samanvaya(regd) Mangalore. The seminar was held on 17th April 2005 at Sandesha, Bajjody Mangalore. Rev. Fr. Pratap Naik the Director of Thomas Stephen Konkani Kendr was the main resource person. The dynamic young politician and the South Canara District Vice president of Congress, Mr. Ivan D'Souza was the chief guest. Dr. Gerald Pinto read a memorandum that was urging to recognize Kannada as well as Roman script while considering Sahitya Akademy awards and handed over to Mr. Ivan D'Souza to submit it to the central govt. and to fight for the cause. Accepting the memorandum Mr. Ivan said "I will extend my whole hearted support to the cause of Konkani. I will submit this memorandum to the central Sahitya Akademy and interact with the government in this regard." assured Mr. Ivan. "All the communication of Karnataka Konkani Sahitya Akademy is held only in Kannada. Thus Karantaka Konkani Sahitya Akademy too should extend its full support for this noble cause." he pleaded. "We also need to fight for giving us a Konkani speaking registrar for Konkani Sahitya Akademy and also we need to pressurize the government to publish Konkani news and Mangalore Akashavani" he continued. The forum also mentioned in its memorandum that there are highest number of over 25 literary periodicals in Kannada script which has also the highest readership in Konkani. The devnagiri script has least readership. The books published in Kannada script are of high quality while most of the books of Devnagiri script are published through akademy grants. Still the Akademy is continuously neglecting the quality literature produced in Roman and Kannada scripts. It also publishes books only of Devnagiri script which in fact doesn't reach to the vast Konkani readership. Also the Akademy distributes only devnagiri books in various libraries under government schemes. It accused that though no mention of script was made while including Konkani in the eigth schedule the Sahitya Akademy has continuously played injustice to the writers of Kannada and Dev Nagiri script. Raknno editor Rev. Fr. Eric Crasta inaugurated the seminar. "We have more than 25 literary periodicals in Kannada script. All our periodicals have a very strong subscriber base. Hence we cannot migrate from Kannada script to any other script for Konkani. Hence it is a need of learning Roman script as an additional script for Konkani. He also praised the efforts of Karnataka Konkani Writers forum in this regard." The director of Sandesha Rev. Fr. Denis D'Sa requested to work hand in hand for the cause of Konkani. To make the task of teaching Konkani easy a committee was formed during the occasion to prepare text books. The text book committee members selected are Mr. Dolphy Lobo (President), Dr. Edward Nazareth (Secretary), Rev. Fr. William Barboza, Rev. Fr. Pius Fidelis Pinto, Rev. Fr. Valerian Fernandes, Smt. Lily Miranda, Mr. Ancy Paladka, Sr. Hilda Gaurd and Mr. Richard Alvaris. Sandesha director Rev. Fr. Denis D'Sa, Samanvaya Managing Director Rev. Fr. Pius Fidelis Pinto, TSKK director Rev. Fr. Pratap Naik, Raknno Editor Rev. Fr. Eric Crasta, Politician and Advocate Mr. Ivan D'Souza, Writers Forum President Mr. Dolphy Lobo, Writers Forum Secretary Dr. Edward Nazareth were present at the Dias. Rev. Fr. Pratap Naik gave a seminar on various writings methods of Konkani in Roman script. President Mr. Dolphy Lobo welcomed the crowd. Secretary Dr. Edward Nazareth gave vote of thanks. Treasurer Mr. Marcel D'Souza (Machcha Milar) beautifully compared the programme. Report by: Ancy Paladka http://www.konkanifoundation.com/ancy/ E2-139 Diwan Apt III, Vasai Road East, Thane Dist - 401 210, Maharashtra, INDIA Tel: 0250-2390225 / 95250-2390225 Cell : 0 9422 4922 41 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet]Can the new POPE BENEDICT XVI make a change ???
It has been widely published that the new Pope is keen to have a dialogue with Muslims. Through this dialogue we hope & pray that foremost the new pope can bring about a genuine change the way Christians are treated in Muslim Nations. Can the Pope be made aware of the recent below incident ??? We are Hopeful that the new Shepherd of Christians POPE BENEDICT XVI will protect his sheep !! 40 Pakistani Christians held for holding prayers Reuters Riyadh: Saudi Arabia has detained 40 Pakistani Christians for holding prayers at a house in the kingdom, where practicising any religion other than Islam is illegal, newspapers said yesterday. A group of men, women and children were attending the service in the capital Riyadh when police raided the house, Al Jazeera newspaper said. It said authorities also found Christian tapes and books. Another Saudi daily, Al Yaum, said the raid took place on Friday while a Pakistani preacher was delivering a sermon. It was not clear what measures might be taken against the group. Saudi authorities were not immediately available to comment. There are around six million foreigners in the conservative kingdom, which has a population of 23 million, including many Christians from Europe, North America, Asia and other Arab states.
Re: [Goanet]Re: Cafeteria Catholics & women priests
Here we are again, fellow Goanetters, not discussing issues that raised so much heat and dust in the past, and once again some of us are throwing dirt at the others. "You are this" and "You are that" and who knows what else. When will some of us ever stop throwing stones at other people? Fred Noronha wants to know why some of us don't contribute to this forum. I have a different question: Why don't some of us, who cannot argue reasonably and civilly, just shut up? Regards to one and all, even the stonethrowiers--- Victor Rangel-Ribeiro, Porvorim and New York -Original Message- From: George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Goanet]Re: Cafeteria Catholics & women priests --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: George, You, too, need to relax and let me find out the official reasons, if any, before continuing this drumbeat of accusations. Do not assume because you do not know the "official reasons" that others like me are ignorant about this topic and are simply making accusations. All the fancy latin phrases and "doctrinal & theological" reasons are not convincing. But do not let me stop you from your own education in these matters. Since when did you become such an expert on Catholic doctrine and practice that you "know" everything with such certainty? As I have mentioned before, I know very little, I am an expert on nothing, and have never claimed to know everything (or anything) with certainty. I am happy to be corrected with facts, logical arguments and hope to learn something. Eventually I hope to impress my neighbor's dog as no one else is impressed. It should not be too difficult as the dog does not seem to know what is going on most of the time and I think I can fool it. If your mind is closed, that is quite another matter. Just this morning I tried to open my mind but it started to rain and I did not want it to get wet. I will try again tomorrow but the weather people have predicted sunshine. However, like the Vatican higher-ups, they have been known to be wrong before. Regards, George
