[Goanet]'CANNES' YOU BELIEVE THIS?
Yesterday's TIMES OF INDIA (May 20) had this piece titled All style, no substance by Anil Dharker. It says: Even Cannes, the most star struck festival of them all is about films and India's contribution this year reads like this: Films in competition: Nil. Films officially listed to be shown outside competition: Nil. Films in the Critics' Week: Nil. Films in the Directors' Fortnight: Nil. In fact the only Indian film to be seen anywhere outside the market screenings is a 50 year old one, being shown precisely because of its golden anniversary, Satyajit Ray's Pather Panchali. If this is how we come across in international festival venues then you can imagine the absolute hash we make of our own IFFI at home. If our IFFI organisers (in Delhi and Goa) dont wise up by October 2005 then we may have to re-christen the festival the Indian Foolishness Festival of Goa!
[Goanet]RE: Five thoughts for double-digit inclusive growth -
Can India achieve double-digit growth? Yes, we most certainly can. Indeed, we must if we want to make India a Developed Nation by 2020. Should this growth be inclusive? Yes, it has to be; otherwise imbalances in development will create more problems. What is needed for India to achieve double-digit inclusive growth? A culture of cooperation between the government and the opposition, a culture of partnership between the government, business community and people's organisations, and above all, commitment to good governance.[Goanet/Carlos, May 20] Why do I get the feeling that with a few unavoidable changes this advice could have been given by a leader of any big developing country -- China, Brazil, Indonesia, Mexico etc. Even as regards India, this would have been as valid 50 years ago as it is today and perhaps 5 years hence! What really is new in it? It is a development formula that might do any academic proud. But, as the saying goes, the proof of the pudding is in the eating!
Re: [Goanet]Goanet Reader -- Unassuming giant, Felicio Cardoso
Mr. Cota, A true freedom fighter would not send Goans into a quagmire. Please stop brain washing Goans. We do not need it. Cardoso may have been a doyen in Concani a freedom fighter no. B. Colaco - Goanet Reader goanet@goanet.org wrote: FROM THE KONKANI WORLD: TRIBUTE TO FELICIO CARDOSO -- THE UNASSUMING GIANT By Xavier Cota [EMAIL PROTECTED] The tragic death of Felicio Cardoso a year ago on May 17, 2004 brought down the curtains on a great man who walked most unassumingly amongst us. ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Santosh is not anti-religion or anti-Catholic - for goodnes sake
I am baffled as to how thoughtful, intelligent people can construe that Santosh is anti-Catholic or anti-religion. Questioning established beliefs does not constitute ANTI anything. I know Santosh. We grew up in the same neighborhood. He is transparent as one can be. We may disagree with is positions and arguments; but to call him ANTI is preposterous. I did not think I needed to add my voice to this unpleasant conversation, but I am honor bound to speak up because I know him and consider him FRIEND. I will not respond to any commentary on this post. Basilio Monteiro
[Goanet]Re: Dr. Helekar is pro-science, not anti-religion
Mario Goveia wrote: As any regular Goanetter would know, Dr. Helekar and I agree on very little and studiously refuse to disclose what little we do agree on. However, in my never humble opinion, he is NOT anti-Catholic or anti-religion. If anything, he is pro-science, and lets the chips fall where they may. I will let you in on a secret about me. I take criticism much better than praise. Frankly, I am embarrassed by this adulation. I tried to hide my face from my computer for the past couple of days, and did not respond to any personal emails. I am more embarrassed than usual with the present instance of acclaim because the pristine adversarial relationship I held with Mario Goveia is sullied forever. I cannot refute his proposals with the same zeal as I did before because, to let you in on another secret, I can only be objective about facts, not personalities. I am much nicer to people who are nice to me, and I staunchly guard my loyalty towards my friends and acquaintances. My embarrassment is compounded by the fact that I underestimated this Super Mario. His description of my position vis-à-vis science and religion is absolutely on the mark. He has defended my position as well as anybody, and frankly, that is the last thing I could have expected from a man who wastes a great deal of time defending the indefensible. I am amazed that he was even able to catch the nuances and the quirkiness that I have carefully assimilated in my casual-speak to reflect the fact that my beliefs and opinions, as far as possible, are shaped by nothing other than objective facts and scientific evidence. So even though I have to swallow both my pride and my embarrassment I sincerely thank Mr. Goveia for his liberality towards me. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Re: My Catholic stand
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marlon, A couple of days ago, your close-by neighbor called me something like: More Catholic than the pope. So I guess, I am doing something right!:=)) Mario observes: Since Gilbert is the only Catholic who is not a cafeteria Catholic, I guess this puts him ahead of the Pope on the Holiness scale. Either that, or first on the questionable self-description scale. I think Pope Benedict XVI was WRONG to fast-track Pope JP-II towards sainthood. This fast-track process was fine for Mother Theresa, who was obviously a living saint, by universal acclamation, but dilutes the meaning of sainthood when used willy nilly for just anyone. JP-II, for all his good deeds, had so many failures of omission and blind spots regarding the pedophile priest issue, as my posts listed right after his death, that there was NO NEED to rush to beatify him, in my never humble opinion. We don't need saints who were soft on pedophiles and completely ignored the victims.
Re: [Goanet]Some of my best friends are Canucks
Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am with you on this one, Mario, as I doubt you have made a single friend in the US. Mervyn3.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: [Goanet]Ganesha label on beer bottle
My dear fellow, Are you an Indian? Your question betrays a kind of smugness. There is no Hindu religion as Christians and Muslims understand it. There is no prophet, no revelation, no real divine book, no organised body, not even actually a priesthood to which entry is regulated. You, if you are brown skinned, could drape youself in a dhoti, smear some ash on your forehead, mumble something which sounded lik Sanskrit and be in business. It is amorphous, which is both its weakness and strength. It is remarkably accepting which is also both a weakness and strength. Perhaps this from te last thousand years of history, when must Hindus were ruled by Muslim and Christian rulers, perhaps it was always like that.. Essentially Hinduism, whatever it means , was no position to compete in military terms wi either Christianity or Islam and Islamic and Christian armies always won overwhelming victories against Hindu kings and armies. This history perhaps is the cause of your smug superiority, but I acknowledge it is also true... As for Mnohar Parrikar, do what the guy did, sue him in Indian courts or English courts. Being a cry baby does not help... --- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20/05/05, halur rasho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ganesha is a fun loving God, and I am sure he would enjoy a cold beer after a hard day. This Guy should lighten up, but perhaps it is the good old american way, you know the beer company will try to settle for few hundred thousand RESPONSE: Thanks for the enlightenment; please inform me, in the Hindu Religion do you have many Gods? Is there one Chief God and lesser Gods? I attended a wedding in Toronto and the Priest was supposed to be from the Kali temple. Is Kali a fierce Goddess, she was depicted as such. That aside it is to the credit of the Beer company, they immediately withdrew the commercial, as it offended the religious sentiments of the Hindus. They sought no justification, just withdrew unquestionably. Compare this with Shri Manohar Parrikar, who wanted to know what aspects of his, not too old, DVD did the Catholics feel offended about! cheers. Gabe Menezes. London England. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Better service , please
Dear Sancharnet ISP, The internet and email service on sancharnet during the last fifteen days has been terrible. I am losing mail contact , and thereby work contracts, due to the poor service. Kindly do the needful at the earliest. Thanking you, Miguel Braganza Mapusa-Goa. 9822982676 From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Problems with Sancharnet.in Sancharnet.in users like Cecil and Diana, please note. Emails to you are not getting through. You may want to call your service provider. Mario.
[Goanet]Re: Abuse by priests is excusable
Love does whatever is needed for the common good. Love with fear is imperfect. Love genuinely and you will avoid hell in this life and afterwards... Ivo da C.Souza --- halur rasho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every god fearing catholic Why do we have to fear God? Is loving him (her?) not enough? Mario replies: Arre, yaar, Halur, loving him (her?) may make YOU feel good, but don't you understand that God can decide to send one to HELL for all eternity? If THAT doesn't scare the HELL out of you, then I don't know what will!
[Goanet]Re: Two Goans among the Four Indian students - won the Intel ISEF awrds
Miguel Braganza speaks kanadda. Does he become a kanadiga? Carlos u must be a stud that's why you got voted. B. Colaco Regarding Konkani, if we want Konkani to survive, more and more people need to speak Konkani, including neo Goans. Regards, Carlos
[Goanet]Untouchables in Goa
Hi Marie, Having followed this thread about caste among Goans and especially Catholics, I fell off the chair (laughing) with your response to 'Untouchables Among Catholics'. I am glad that belatedly we are trying to find some anwers. If no one contradicts you, then along with JC, I would assume there are no untouchables among Catholic Goans. Now as far as the Goan Catholics you describe: Are these that you have described, Untouchables? or Are they Mortal Enemies whom if only looks could kill? :=) How do you handle 'Pad Podom' ? Regards, Gilbert Lawrence. Marie D'Souza Reply: Yes there are Untouchables among the catholics in Goa who will not even enter the house of a person they have had a quarrel with. - mush less drink a glass of water from their hands. and there there are Untouchables among the hindus in Goa who will not even enter the house of a person they have had a quarrel with, besides those of a lower class from whom they will not touch any eatables. Cornel asked: Are there untouchables among the Catholics or indeed among the Hindus normally resident in Goa today?
[Goanet]Five thoughts for double-digit inclusive growth - India
http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/may/18cii.htm Advani's 5-point plan for double-digit growth May 18, 2005 18:05 IST - Rediff India could break the chains of under-achievement and begin attaining higher rates of economic growth in the 1990s only after it discarded the influence of that Soviet model, said Bharatiya Janata Party President L K Advani at the CII's Annual Session and National Conference in New Delhi on Wednesday. He also laid down a roadmap to achieve double-digit GDP growth rate for the country. Following is the partial text of his speech: Friends, I did not want my address today on a business platform to have political overtones. But I had to place the theme of my address -- 'How to Achieve Double Digit Inclusive Growth' -- in its proper national context. Now I turn, briefly, to presenting five specific thoughts. One, both the central and state governments must continue to focus on rapid expansion and modernisation of our infrastructure. We must especially consolidate our gains in information technology and other areas of the knowledge economy. The work on ambitious infrastructure projects such as the National Highway Development Project, the Pradhan Mantri Gram Sadak Yojana, the Indian Railways' Rashtriya Rail Vikas Yojana, modernisation of our airports and construction of greenfield airports, the Sagar Mala project for the modernisation of our ports infrastructure, the many initiatives on urban renewal, implementation of power sector reforms as per the Electricity Bill 2003, strengthening of our Science Technology infrastructure -- all this must receive strong, focused and sustained attention. I am sorry to say that the implementation of many of these projects has slowed down, especially the power sector reforms. If the alarming situation in Mumbai and Maharashtra is any pointer, then we must realise that we cannot live in the past and continue with old attitudes about the role of the private sector in electricity generation, transmission, and distribution. Two, not just physical infrastructure but also our social infrastructure needs similar strong, focused and sustained attention. In particular, the needs of our SC, ST and OBC brethren must become our collective priority. Faster economic growth without social justice is an affront to our Constitutional ideals. Here, learning from past experience, we must admit that the capability of government agencies to implement social sectors programmes and deliver results does not inspire confidence. Therefore, I am all for the widening and deepening the scope for public-private partnerships in education, health-care, drinking water supply, sanitation, housing for the poor and middle-classes, slum rehabilitation, etc. Three, a big area of much-needed reforms is agriculture. Your incoming President has made a name for himself on agricultural issues and I hope that in his Presidency, CII will promote reforms in agriculture, marketing, technology transfer, food processing, etc. I am aware that agriculture is a state subject and states have to take the lead. I am pleased that Madhya Pradesh, a BJP-ruled state has been leading the reforms in agriculture marketing. Four, another important issue is to promote good governance reforms, both at the Centre and in states. I've long held that Swaraj in India was not followed by Su-Raj. I understand that CII has recently done some brainstorming workshops on this subject of state-related reforms. This is important, and you must push as hard for reforms in states as you did for economic reforms at the Centre in the last twelve years. We need to make state governments -- the executive, the legislature, and the judiciary -- realise the importance of faster reforms. In this context, you will be pleased to know that earlier this month we organised a three-day training workshop near Mumbai for all the ministers of the BJP-ruled states -- Gujarat, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Orissa and Nagaland (our party is a coalition partner in the last two states). It was the first of its kind for any political party in the country. While on the point of good governance, I must emphasise that this should not be confined only to Raisina Hill; it is also needed in Nariman Point. Corporate India must also follow the relevant norms and rules of good corporate governance -- both in letter and in spirit. Five, the imperative of achieving high growth with employment and equity has to be a common commitment for both governments and the business community. India's overwhelmingly young population needs adequate opportunities for rewarding employment and for realising their increasingly ambitious dreams. The informal sector and the Small and Medium Enterprises (SME) sector have the highest potential to generate employment. Therefore, there is an urgent need to remove the difficulties being faced by these sectors. In
[Goanet]Silence and Vision
Cecil Pinto wrote to Santosh Helekar: Please note that GoaNet is not a democratic institution that is run by popular vote. As Fred has clearly stated it is run as a 'benevolent dictatorship' towards a 'vision'. Of course who is the dictator and what is the vision has never been clarified. -- Bosco responds as GoaNet Admin Team Member 1) Goanet is a mailing list, an on-line forum with a website. It may grow but at this point in time I too don't see it as an institution. 2) What Fred has clearly stated is being miscontrued above. Please refer to Fred's own message: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2005-April/027432.html Fred has not characterized Goanet as above. As far as 'vision' is concerned, he has clearly referred to Cybermatrimonials - Fred's own initiative to unite Goans from the last century. Cecil: I have read and re-read Fred's original statement. I still believe he is referring to GoaNet being run as a 'benevolent dicatorship' and not just Cyber Matrimonials. But Bosco how come you have decided that Fred's statement is being misconstrued? Can't the normally verbose Fred speak for himself and clarify? His silence is totally uncharacteristic. - Bosco: Furthermore, Fred began his message with My personal view is that Net-based ventures ... Are we to assume here that because Fred is a member of Goanet Admin he is not permitted to have a personal view and opine on any issues? Or are we to assume here that everything Fred opines is also the dictat of Goanet Admin? No! Neither of the above is true. If any Goanet Admin member is corresponding as a member of Goanet Admin, they will nearly always have Goanet Admin at the end of the message, like I have below. Cecil: Well said. So can I assume that Fred's statement about the 'benevolent dictatorship' is not shared by the other Admin Team Members? Or is it? - Bosco: As far as Goanet being democratically run..there have been issues that Goanet Admin have acted on their own initiative and there are issues that Goanet Admin have acted on based on public and personal feedback from Goanet members. The results are never always pleasing to everybody. Cecil: I agree. One can't please everyone. And specially when one has a 'vision', as Fred stated. Which, incidentally is a query that you skirted Bosco. What is this vision? Whose vision is it? Shouldn't the subscribers know? - Bosco: Goanet has a defined set of Rules and Guidelines. If members followed those Rules and Guidelines, there would be no need to moderate Goanet or to question whether Goanet is run like a democratic institution. Cecil: That is illogical! Every country has a constitution which is much more comprehensive than the GoaNet guidelines. But still we have the Police and the Judiciary because of various ways of interpreting the Law, and subsequent conflicts. Bosco: On behalf of Goanet Admin, I say to Goanet members, speak up and be heard. If there is an ongoing debate you don't like or have a point of view, share it!! Don't not be afraid that other Goanetters will attack your point of view. Our own points of view is what we are made ofso we have to stand-up for them. Cecil: I agree. One can't lurk around and then complain to the Admin Team that things are going bad. Speak up, join in! Don't criticise from your anonymous perch in the audience. Bosco: All members of Goanet Admin and Goanet volunteers have real-world jobs and pursue other real-world pursuits..other than Goanet. It is Goa that draws us to Goanet - whether as members or Goanet Admin. Cecil: Rather redundant. All subscribers too have real-world jobs and pursuits. I presume. I do have a substantial real world existence. - Bosco: While we make every effort to satisfy all points of view, it is impossible to keep everybody happy. All that is being provided is an avenue for Goans to come together and chit-chat on various issues, from the mundane to the intellectual. While we may disagree on many issues, there is no need for animosity amongst us as some of the recent debate indicates. We are after all, GOANSwe are communicating with our own. Cecil: To the best of my knowledge membership and participation in GoaNet was not restricted to Goans only. Have the rules been changed? - Bosco: ...we are all in this together for Goa and Goans whether in Goa or the DiasporaThere is no need for us to bite each others heads off. Cecil: Agreed. And also if there is a 'vision' that the Admin Team is working towards then it should be shared so we do not work at cross purposes. And Fred should clarify what he meant (as an individual or as a Admin Team Member) instead of asking others to interpret his statements. Bosco: On a personal note, Goanet has enriched my knowledge of Goa, Goans and the world about us on a number of issues. Cecil: Same here. Bosco: It has also facilitated me to renew old friendships and make new friends, like Cecil Pinto and Fred Noronha.
[Goanet]IndianFootball.Com Club Ranking - May 2005
IndianFootball.Com Press Release | May 20, 2005 IndianFootball.Com Club Ranking - May 2005 The latest IndianFootball.Com Club Ranking has been released and there are a few surprises in the ranking. Calcutta giants East Bengal Club still tops the second edition of the IndianFootball.Com Club Ranking, although losing two points. Goa's Dempo SC has moved up three spots to take second place, while Mahindra United, Mumbai remains third. Lajong SSC from Shillong is the biggest mover of the latest ranking, climbing 13 places into 52nd position through their good qualifier campaign in the 2.Division. Several clubs have entered the IndianFootball.Com Club Ranking for the first time and the next edition will see further movements due to the final rounds of the National Football League, the 2nd Division NFL in full swing and the Kerala Football League being played. The IndianFootball.Com Club Ranking Top 20: No. TEAM CITY, STATE Pts 01East Bengal Club Calcutta, West Bengal 520,0 02Dempo SC Goa 339,5 03Mahindra United Mumbai, Maharashtra 334,0 04Mohun Bagan ACCalcutta, West Bengal 333,0 05Salgaocar SC Goa 324,0 06JCT Mills Phagwara, Punjab279,0 07Churchill Brothers SC Goa 276,0 08Vasco SC Goa 274,5 09Sporting Clube de Goa Goa 262,5 10Tollygunge Agragami Calcutta, West Bengal 205,5 11Mohammedan Sporting Club Calcutta, West Bengal 188,5 12Fransa FC Goa 186,5 13Assam State Electricity Board Guwahati, Assam 179,0 14EverReady Sports Assn Calcutta, West Bengal 158,0 15Hindustan Aeronautics SC Bangalore, Karnataka148,5 16Air-India Mumbai, Maharashtra 134,0 17Border Security Force Jalandhar, Punjab 126,0 18State Bank of Travancore Trivandrum, Kerala 124,0 19Punjab Police Jalandhar, Punjab98,5 20Hindustan ClubDelhi93,0 The complete May ranking (Top 100) can be found at: http://specials.indianfootball.com/ifcclubranking/ Arunava Chaudhuri IndianFootball.Com Editor-in-Chief India's Premier Football Site [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: +49 160 4819749 Buy books, CDs, DVDs, etc at AMAZON through IndianFootball.Com: http://www.indianfootball.com/amazon.html
[Goanet]Keeping Music Alive
Keeping Music Alive Music is the art of expression in sounds, in melody and in harmony. Music has no boundaries, no religion and no nationality. Music is universal. Today we are threatened by divisive forces in the name of region, religion, language, etc. To face this challenge, I think, music is the best weapon. Only music has the power of bringing all men and women together from any quarters of the world. Therefore, it should be our priority to teach music to our children. During the Portuguese rule, way back in the middle of the 19th century, the then Portuguese Government, introduced Parochial Schools or Church schools in Goa. These schools taught the 3 Rs and music to the students The aim of these schools was to equip the students to deal with day to day problems and make them capable of singing and playimg music in the church. The teacher was known as Mestri. The Mestri, being a musician himself took a lot of interest in the teaching of music. This resulted in producing hundreds of great musicians who excelled not only in Goa but throughout India and in the world too. During the last twenty years, this beautiful tradition of teaching music in the churches has totally stopped. This is mainly because there is a dearth of music teachers. Although today we see musicians and musical groups mushrooming in Goa, the unfortunate part is that most of them cannot read and write music. The few surviving musicians, who have proper knowledge of music, hesitate to take the assignment of teaching because the payment is meagre. Concrete efforts are needed in this direction. By neglecting this aspect we are neglecting our own culture and everything that is associated with it. The Government of Goa introduced a very good scheme in the schools in order to revive the musical heritage of Goa through the Art and Culture Department According to this scheme, each school was given a grant of Rs. 20,000/- to purchase musical instruments. A provision of Rs. 4,500/- for every month was made to pay the salary of two teachers from the date of the beginning of the musical classes. According to the need of the schools, some schools started teaching Indian music only, some Western music only and some Indian as well as Western music. Those schools which opted for Indian music or Western music only, used the services of both the teachers to teach that stream. The schools which opted for Indian as well as Western music used the services of one of the teachers for Indian Music and the other for Western music. Surprisingly, the Department of Art Culture issued a Circular in March 2005 stating that both types of music i.e. Indian as well as Western cannot be taught under this scheme and that the school has to opt either for Indian Music only or Western Music only. The circular threatened the school managements that the salary of the teachers will not be paid if the instructions are not obeyed. I felt that the very purpose of providing opportunity for the students to learn music is defeated by this circular. If one analyses the situation, one finds that (a) there is no mention of teaching Indian music only or Western music only in the scheme. (b) The Government has made provision for two teachers hence there is no extra financial burden on the part of the Government. Then where was the need to issue such a circular? We should know that the school is the centre of all types of activities. Different parents have different likes and dislikes. Accordingly a school will have parents who would like their children to learn Indian music while there can be parents in the same school who would encourage their children to learn Western music. The circular sent by the Art Culture Department will satisfy one set of parents and disappoint others. The circular will become the cause of creating ill feelings in some parents which can adversely affect the school. Hence there is an immediate need to withdraw the said circular and allow the schools to conduct music classes as per their needs. Let the art of expression in sound, in melody and in harmony prevail in the school campus in the true sense of the word. Tomazinho Cardozo Candolim, Goa
Re: [Goanet]Ganesha label on beer bottle
On 20/05/05, halur rasho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ganesha is a fun loving God, and I am sure he would enjoy a cold beer after a hard day. This Guy should lighten up, but perhaps it is the good old american way, you know the beer company will try to settle for few hundred thousand RESPONSE: Thanks for the enlightenment; please inform me, in the Hindu Religion do you have many Gods? Is there one Chief God and lesser Gods? I attended a wedding in Toronto and the Priest was supposed to be from the Kali temple. Is Kali a fierce Goddess, she was depicted as such. That aside it is to the credit of the Beer company, they immediately withdrew the commercial, as it offended the religious sentiments of the Hindus. They sought no justification, just withdrew unquestionably. Compare this with Shri Manohar Parrikar, who wanted to know what aspects of his, not too old, DVD did the Catholics feel offended about! cheers. Gabe Menezes. London England.
[Goanet]vintage newspapers and old manuscripts
This is ref the post by Cecil Pinto about the bound newspapers. If 40-year-old newspapers are in danger of disintegration (even allowing for their relatively more frequent handling than, say, material that is 100 or 150 years old) then the condition of the older material in the Central Library and the Archives too, by the same token, is likely to be in worse shape. Intentions to professionally conserve and then digitise collections in both centres have, to my knowledge, been turned into proposals and discussed and promised, in one form or other, for about four years. Every monsoon adds to the damage and another is upon us. I do feel strongly that sans a citizens' initiative - one that claims the collections as being held in trust for us and on behalf of the generations to follow - to push for a carefully considered (not politically expedient) solution nothing is likely to happen in time to prevent further ruin. More comment, perception and ideas on this matter would be most welcome. Regards, Rahul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goa, India : +91 9321027684 / +91 832 2417847
Re: [Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC Religion posts
From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC Religion posts Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:07:24 -0700 (PDT) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GL Hi Santosh, Thanks for your last post on this thread. Below YOU make my EXACT POINT - Precisely and Approximately.:=)) You bash / lambaste religion because of any crack-pot post that covers any of the following subjects that you have outlined below. And unfortunately there are many of those crack-pot posts which our moderators cannot or do not want to restrict. Most are benign and reflects someone's private belief. My dear Mario, Neither do I vouchsafe my opinions humble. I think Santosh and George are doing us, Catholics, indeed, very proud. By their levelheaded comments they considerably help us, believers, from going astray towards the ludicrous. I am sure, even the good Jesus, would have avoided the path that led his evangelists and followers towards scorn. Alfred de Tavares, Stockholm All the physician-posters I can think of are at least as obnoxious as I am, which is saying a lot, but I try to be specific, and even my barbed references are narrowly targeted and precisely crafted, in my never humble opinion of course. The victims, er, debating opponents, I'm sure, will disagree. _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
Re: [Goanet]Some of my best friends are Canucks
--- Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off I don't buy Mario's assertion that he refers to Canada as Canuckistan affectionately because he has not had a single good thing to say about Canada. Mario replies: Oooh! Touched a raw nerve, have we? By the way, I have many good things to say about your beautiful country, but you are not going to hear them when I'm responding to vicious, truth-twisting attacks on everything American, that have no context or perspective. Bosco, you should know better than anyone else that all this started with the vicious, sadistic, bogus and completely delusional attacks on everything US by your fellow countryman in Toronto, Mervyn. His post on this very subject, complete with references to his in-laws (how did THEY get into this?) will show once again what I mean, and is beneath contempt. Anyone listening to him would think that Canada is an important world power rather than a left leaning country struggling to establish an identity under the shadow of a benign neighboring superpower, which they do not understand how it got there, and so are reduced to attempted ridicule, which makes them look just plain silly. Bosco writes: Secondly as far as addressing a Canadian as a Canuck...Mario probably is referring to Johnny Canuck the Canadian alter-ego of the US Uncle Sam. Yes there is a Vancouver Canucks NHL hockey team.and there are the Washington Redskins and the Cleveland Indians and the Atlanta Bravesand they all carry 'baggage' of racial overtones. Mario replies: This assertion turns logic on it's head. No sports team in their right mind would pick a mascot or team name that has baggage and racial overtones. That is the left-wing spin, where false indignation is used as a political weapon. Teams choose names that create esprit de corps, team spirit and inspire their players and their fans, not ones that make them look silly or foolish. The native-Americans references are used to emulate the mythical toughness, strength and noble qualities of native-Americans, not to ridicule them. That notion defies logic and common sense. Bosco writes: http://kpearson.faculty.tcnj.edu/Dictionary/canuck.htm Canuck seems to be a sticky term. Used by Canadians, the word is acceptable in virtually all applications. Used by an outsider, however, it has the potential to take on an offensive or derogatory tone. Mario replies: How did the College of New Jersey, which I never heard of until this post, become the authority on what is appropriate? There are also some American college professors who believe the use of native-American team names is offensive, which is patently absurd. Even then, the good professor says, Used by Canadians, the word is acceptable in virtually all applications. So what's with all the angst, if it is acceptable when used by Canadians? What kind of logic makes a term acceptable or unacceptable based on who is using it? This is simply a left-wing political tactic. Grow up guys. Bosco writes: So Mario, while I can't speak for everybody.you can continue to call me a Canuck especially if it makes you feel good.I am after all a GOAN CANADIAN! Mario replies: Thanks for the permission, Bosco. So, according to you and your professor at the College of New Jersey, I guess it is then perfectly acceptable for me or another Canadian to call you a Goan Canuck?
[Goanet]Full day school in Goa, makes sense?
The decision of the Goa Governor, S.C. Jamir, to implement full day school for students beginning this academic year stating that it will improve the overall development of the student is hasty and unjustified. Full day schools in other states of India may be acceptable due to the infrastructure in place. However, the infrastructure and transport situation is chaotic in Goa the present time. The main reason why Goa is among the three most literate states in India, are that in Goa the standard of teaching is high and there are strong bonds between the teachers and students. Why then, do we need to stretch the overall amount of teaching time. The Governor, before deciding to implement the full day scheme, should have first checked if the teachers are mentally and physically equipped for the task. He should have surveyed the schools to see if they had the infrastructure to carry out full day school. In particular, canteens, toilets, clean drinking water and recreational facilities should have been assessed. We have to also consider the monsoon and heat factors. Would children be able to concentrate in the afternoon heat ? Give our teachers a break, they too are human and need to recharge their batteries as they are working in a very stressful environment. Since the late sixties, Education in Goa has been going through a metamorphosis witnessed in no other state in India -- English replacing Portuguese, later on Hindi made a compulsory , S.S.C.L. being replaced by the higher secondary board, the scrapping of English in primary schools (the biggest error, now accounting for high number of school drop-outs), raising the age bar for admission into school and the plans of the dismissed Parrikar government to make major changes in the education pattern after standard eight. Its to the credit of the teachers and students that they have 'adapted' so well to these changes whilst still keeping Goa among the top three literate states in India. Nevertheless, all these changes may have had some slight detrimental effect on the quality of teaching and the performance of the students, as our literacy levels which were nearly 90% in the 1990 census remain the same even after a period of fifteen years. There has been no explanation for this from our Education Ministers and Politicians as to why we haven't yet achieved 100% literacy. In fact, persuading the Goa Governor to implement full day school could perhaps be the idea of the caterers and retailers, who see this as an golden opportunity to expand their businesses, but can the Governor guarantee the quality of the school mid-day meals? If developed countries in Europe are having to deal with junk mid day school meals, food poisoning, obesity and spread of various diseases most commonly diabetes type 2 not to forget bullying what do we expect from our state government, where worms are even found in drinking water supplied to homes. Full day school could be implemented to counter the growing number of coaching classes in our state. I support the coaching classes because some students fall behind or do not fully understand their teachers. Moreover these classes are not free, and if students wish to pay and improve their skills, I don't see why they shouldn't have the advantage of coaching classes, so many have gained by them. Percy Ferrao Navelim, Salcete,Goa Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet]Sancharnet problems
Apparently the 'incoming mail' problem at Sancharnet has been solved. Right now a few subscribers are facing an outgoing mail problem. They have been advised to change the Outgoing Mail Server in their E-mailing Software from smra.sancharnet.in to nmra.sancharnet.in ===
[Goanet]I want one plant!
Dears, Read this interesting piece from Fred, the man who created the free websites for BSGgreening the minds! There are many plant nurseries registered with the Directorate of Agriculture which sell genuine plants. Buy plants from one of them and obtain a bill. Upto five years later, you can complain if the plant is not what you were told it was. That is the guarantee that a registered nursery has to give. The bill is your guarantee. Ensure that it has details of the variety and type of plant you buy. Below is an idicative list of nurseries. Viraj Nursery, opp.Binani, Karaswada/ Colvale. Ph.5623013 Vikas Nursery, NH-17 Dhargal/Porvorim Ph.5622088, 9326105043 Mr.Farmer , NH-17, GuirimPh.9822100498 Kakoda Farms/Goa Horti Centre, behind MMC Bldg. Margao Rodney's Roses Garden Centre, Nr.Rly.Station, Seraulim Ph.2780696,9822122974 Aadhya Nursery, Margao East-West Nursery, Ambaji, Nr.KTC Bus stand, Margao. Nisarg Nursery, Verem-Candolim Road, Verem Ph. Green Triangle, Opp.Post office,Arpora-Saligao Jn.,Parra Viva Goa Miguel Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:17:55 +0530 (IST) From: Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want one plant, Riza (6) insisted the other day when at the Konkan Fruit Fest, organised by livewire Goanetter Miguel Braganza and his team of teams. Its strange how kids can help us see the world in a new perspective. It has been ages since one purchased anything to take home and plant. More to make her happy (or keep her quiet), one picked up a pretty flowery plant of her choice. What was surprising was that it was priced at just Rs 30. Since then, some of our evening cycle rides have been spent looking at the plants available on sale in different parts of Bardez. You'll be surprised how many there are. Along the Porvorim (actually, Socorro) highway which links Panjim to Mapusa near Guirim, the Friends Holiday Farm and Nursery (phone 2240153 or 2240245 and email vinusis at yahoo.com ) has a wide range of reasonably priced plants. A chickoo costs Rs 50, and a small rose that Riza fancied, Rs 30. In Saligao itself, the Eden Garden (near the Saligao Junction, on the CHOGM Road) is somewhat pricey, but has a wide range of fruit and flowering plants. Love apples, tiny plants but with a small fruit on it, costs around Rs 125. Custardapple plants Rs 75, 'black' guavas Rs 60, pommegranate Rs 60 and the 'onze horas' (eleven oclock flowers, which bloom just before noon). If you know of any other interesting places where fruit plants are available, please share it with Goanet. FN .. Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490| http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.net ..
[Goanet]RE: [The Goan Forum d-list] RE: Gilbert's accusations et al
Hey JC, U should not worry who got bcc or cc or to. as u speak ur heart out its clear... there is saying i remember here. when u cant dance they blame the floor for its irregularity... so GL and wife keep up for the good book you have come out with not caring what ever any 1 says live life ur way let them live their way.. that is how this word critics has worked its self into a critic department. Cheers! Cynthia _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]I hope you enjoy these as much as I did!
Will Rogers, who died in a plane crash with Wylie Post in 1935, was probably the greatest political sage this country has ever known. Enjoy the following: 1. Never slap a man who's chewing tobacco. 2. Never kick a cow chip on a hot day. 3. There are 2 theories to arguing with a woman...neither works. 4. Never miss a good chance to shut up. 5. Always drink upstream from the herd. 6. If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. 7. The quickest way to double your money is to fold it and put it back in your pocket. 8. There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves. 9. Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. 10. If you're riding' ahead of the herd, take a look back every now and then to make sure it's still there. 11. Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier'n puttin' it back. 12. After eating an entire bull, a mountain lion felt so good he started roaring. He kept it up until a hunter came along and shot him. The moral: When you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut. ABOUT GROWING OLDER... First ~ Eventually you will reach a point when you stop lying about your age and start bragging about it. Second ~ The older we get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for. Third ~ Some people try to turn back their odometers. Not me, I want people to know why I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved. Fourth ~ When you are dissatisfied and would like to go back to youth, think of Algebra. Fifth ~ You know you are getting old when everything either dries up or leaks. Sixth ~ I don't know how I got over the hill without getting to the top. Seventh ~ One of the many things no one tells you about aging is that it is such a nice change from being young. Eighth ~ One must wait until evening to see how splendid the day has been. Ninth ~ Being young is beautiful, but being old is comfortable. Tenth ~ Long ago when men cursed and beat the ground with sticks, it was called witchcraft. Today it's called golf. And finally ~ If you don't learn to laugh at trouble, you won't have anything to laugh at when you are old. Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, Canada ps. You know what happens when atheists pray (as all people are wont to do when faced with imminent, unexpected death, if there's time)? All hell breaks loose! /ks
[Goanet]Central Library
Came across this long back query and thought to respond. - QUERY OVER WHAT GOA FORMERLY CALLED ITS PUBLICA LIVARIA: Julieta Dias Fisher writes in thanking the Goanet network for the interesting article on Goa's library. She says: As a librarian I wondered if any of the old newspapers are digitized and if not, are there any plans on preserving them? I am interested in the social history of Goa from the 1800's to the present and have been thinking of coming to Goa to do research. Can you let me know the hours of operation of the library and what I would need to do to be able to access its resources? Contact her at borboleta at att.net - Dear Ms. Fisher, 1) The old newspapers at the Central Library are not digitized. When I was doing some research there about a year back I was not allowed to access some old bound copies of Navhind Times (1963-64) more than twice - that too on consecutive days. The reason given to me was that the papers were fragile and were not to be handled. I have often wondered whether archival material that cannot be handled, nor has been digitized, has place in a library or in a museum. 2) I forget the exact hours of operation of the Library (9 to 1.30 and 2.30 to 5.30 I think) but about fifteen minutes before closing time (lunch and evening) the shutdown process starts and can be quite unnerving. Like at a crowded restaurant where other customers are just standing near your table and waiting for your to finish and leave. 3) Of course this has been my individual experience and of some others I know. But I have seen how some other researchers have had the red carpet thrown down for them and they claim the staff was very cooperative. One such researcher told me that it is a question of being properly introduced by the right person and also having the right appearance (speaking Portuguese and/or having a fair skin or European accent is immensely useful) and approach. Also if your research findings will find mention is some International journal, with due credit to the 'helpful management' (proper names included) at the Central Library, then you can sure you will be given very good treatment. Don't let my disillusionment effect you. I am sure you will have a pleasant researching experience. Cheers! Cecil ==
Re: [Goanet]Re: Dr. Helekar is pro-science, not anti-religion
--- Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The BIGGEST SHOCK of my life, after I'm dead will be a non-entity! Mario replies: Actually you'll be lucky if all you are is a non-entity. Your certitude sounds no different than the fundamentalist who read the Bible as if it were dictated by Christ, in English. Kevin writes: ps. As for your reply with SUGGESTIONS FOR THE FUTURE OF INDIA... the booms in the automotive and tourism industries would be the heralding sound of imminent collapse of a basically agrarian society barrelling towards industrial annihilation. It is amazing how differently we view the situation and the solutions. We will not be here to hear the booms but maybe our children and definitely our grandchildren will if we don't do something about it now. Mario replies: I'm not sure why we view the situation and the solutions so differently, with all the evidence of what works economically for the most people and what doesn't. Unless you believe the left-wing theories that the developed countries got there by luck or chicanery, and the less developed countries got there by exploitation by the more developed countries. I find it ironic when anyone thinks that the same kinds of policies that developed the first world, will create imminent collapse and industrial annhilation in a third world country like India already struggling to evolve from the millstone of socialism imposed on it in its first 50 years. Especially when this comes from someone who chooses to live in a first world country - OK, second world in the case of Kevin - rather than in the two tier confusion of India, which Kevin visualizes as an idyllic agrarian society, where the poor are provided for (with resources coming from where, one might ask), and wise elites manage the entire economy with vision and efficiency. This is precisely what India is trying desperately to get the hell away from.
Re: [Goanet]Re: No conflict between Science and Bible???
--- Kevin Saldanha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had to add my $0.02Cdn here for the record. Currently there have been 2 bills introduced in the US that flout this very subject line. The Christian fundamentalist movement has been bolstered by the current political climate to attempt to confuse school children with a false impression that the 'Intelligent Design' Theory (newspeak for Creationism) is a valid alternative to the Fact of Evolution. Mario replies: Kevin, with all due respect, you need to be careful of adding anything in C$. There are some issues that real and faux scientists cannot get away from, notwithstanding the work of Stephen Hawking and the staunch defense thrown up by some on Goanet and elsewhere. a) Intelligent Design Theory is not newspeak for Creationism, because it acknowledges the obvious science on evolution, but believes a superior being was responsible for starting the evolutionary process, and because they believe that DNA is far too complex to have just evolved. b) The theory that time began with the Big Bang cannot be proven conclusively by science, according to many reputable and open minded scientists. The closed minded scientists have the same attitude as the Christian fundamentalists who think the Bible was personally dictated by Christ in English. c) Intelligent Design cannot be conclusively proven either since it's evidence is circumstantial. As I said in another post, we will find out soon enough, right after we die, whether and which religious types were right, and whether you atheists were either right or are in for the shock of your lives. So let's all chill, man, as we say in the 'hood. The controversy is not going away and the hapless kids in the US will muddle through OK, as we all did. BTW, how come you Canadian Goanetters are so obsessed on what goes on in the US? I never see anything about the evolving political and social mess in Canada, and the left-wing brainwashing of the school kids over there?
[Goanet]RE: Gilbert's accusations et al
From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gilbert Lawrence has accused Santosh Helekar of 'bashing' only the Catholic religion, and not Hindu and other religions. Over the years I have observed that Santosh has been even-handed in criticising all religions and irrational beliefs. There are archived records of this on many Goan Internet forums including this one. I feel Gilbert owes Santosh a public apology for making this false accusation. Cecil My dear Gilbertbab, Let me commence by saying how RELIEVED I was at not seeing HERE the abusive filth Cecil wrote earlier this morning to (at least) the two of us. God alone knows who got bcc 1. I'd strongly recommend that Gilbert retracts that anti-Santosh remark. 2. Please convey my personal Thank You to your dear wife for the effort she put into the Book EFFORT. Never mind that the effort was scoffed at on this list. Please do ask her to accept my apologies for that scoffing. It is my belief that only those who take the time to do, will be scoffed at. You saw it with Goa Sudharop getting an unnecessary hit, you saw it with your book effort. Just imagine, would you not be better off doing absolutely nothing! good wishes and a good week end to all jc _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Hell?
Mario Goveia wrote: Arre, yaar, Halur, loving him (her?) may make YOU feel good, but don't you understand that God can decide to send one to HELL for all eternity? If THAT doesn't scare the HELL out of you, then I don't know what will! Dear Mario, What exactly is HELL? Please give me your concept and description of HELL, and why one should be so scared of it. And where did you get this concept of HELL, to which God can banish one for all eternity, from anyway? Cecil
[Goanet]Gilbert's accusation
Gilbert Lawrence has accused Santosh Helekar of 'bashing' only the Catholic religion, and not Hindu and other religions. Over the years I have observed that Santosh has been even-handed in criticising all religions and irrational beliefs. There are archived records of this on many Goan Internet forums including this one. I feel Gilbert owes Santosh a public apology for making this false accusation. Cecil
Re: [Goanet]Dr. Helekar is pro-science, not anti-religion
On 19/05/05, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario adds: As any regular Goanetter would know, .. Finally, I suggest everyone relax and not get too carried away by their beliefs. All these mysteries will soon be cleared up the minute we die, when we religious types will discover whether we placed our faith unwisely and wasted plenty of time and money in return for some temporal peace of mind, or whether the atheists are in for the shock of their lives and discover to their dismay that TIME did not begin with the BIG BANG. RESPONSE: I do not understand the above para.'When we die the religious types will discover whether we placed our faith unwisely and wasted plenty of time and money in return for some temporal peace of mind'. If there is nothing after life what the hell will we discover - sure that will be it, finito! Furthermore the only outcome would be, if there is an after death existence. In that case the non believers and their kind will be in a flux. The question is whether they will be judged for their beliefs on Earth, or whether everyone is expected to believe come what may. May I add I am a believer. Amen cheers. Gabe Menezes. London England.
Re: [Goanet]WAR ON IRAQ
Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are so totally uninformed about the US and the situation in Iraq that I don't know where to start. Het Mario, Not only do you have serious comprehension skills but you also have strange propagation skills (that you do not seem to be aware of.) Nobody knows if you are serious when you write or if you write in jest! You either don't know that Saddam had and used WMDs The Globe and Mail reports that Saddam did indeed have WMD. Saddam bought the mustard gas from the US. or have no explanation for what happened to them. Saddam used the gas on the Kurds. In fact, it invaded Iraq only when it was sure that there was no gas left. Thats the reason for the 10 year gap :-) Mervyn3.0 Toronto, Canada __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: [Goanet]Re: INDIA : CASTE AND THE FUTURE
Smart people do not live in sewage like conditions. B. Colaco Ah the good old sublimal sub - text which has been used for a 1000 years. Indians are not fit to rule, the elites (whatever that means in a one man one vote democracy) do not have leadership quality. So India is best ruled by foreigners who are more capable and just. The only problem is that Indians are smarter today and will teach people who advocate such nonesense a lesson they will not forget should they attempt to bring foreign rule to India. ___ Yahoo! Messenger - want a free and easy way to contact your friends online? http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: Goanet - Cornel Goan Voice U.K.
Gabe, Many thanks for the correction. Cornel - Original Message - From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org; cornel DaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:38 PM Subject: Goanet - Cornel Goan Voice U.K. http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/newsletter/2005/May/issue3/ RECENT ITEMS OF PARTICULAR INTEREST ON GOANET. BY CORNEL DACOSTA F. Noronha's brief article titled Goa, Comintern and Old Records, indicated that there should be useful records about Goan anti-colonialists in the archives of the former Soviet Union. However, access to them has not been available and therefore it is worth asking if any Goan and other researchers have found ways and means of indeed accessing such records. In material presented by Gabe Menezes, we are told about thousands of farmers in India who have committed suicide because of the detrimental effects of western nations backing free trade policies devised by the IMF and World Bank. This is well worth reading about because the USA and Britain have played pivotal roles in imposing market forces on people barely able to feed themselves... The difficulties existing from the Indian end about sending surplus books from UK libraries and other sources to educational institutions in Goa and elsewhere have been highlighted by several Goanetters. The continuing discussion on the bashing of Catholicism in Goa has gained increased momentum. It would be useful for Goan Voice (UK) readers to provide some fresh insights to this topic. A long article by Margaret Mascarenhas provides considerable detail on the problems facing those keen to purchase real estate in Goa. The use of Portuguese law, decades after the liberation of Goa, has not helped very much to the many from outside Goa seeking homes in Goa and for whom, the article must become essential reading. The movie Bride and Prejudice has provoked much discussion about how Indian men seek light-skinned partners for marriage. Well, is this true or a figment of the imagination? Well worth finding out through Goanet. Please visit the Goanet archives at http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/ To subscribe to Goanet send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comment: I wish to correct, that the post on farmers committing suicide was posted by Mario Goveia - I only had my say regarding this. Always my policy give the Devil his due! -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet]UEFA CUP Final tonight - Lisbon
Is there by any chance a pointer here for Sporting Clube de Goa. They are supposedly on the verge of annexing the NFL. Will they do one better than their illustrious namesake or follow in their footsteps? Tomorrow is their day of reckoning. Three teams are in the running for the coveted title, East Bengal, Dempo and Sporting Clube. At the moment both the tension and the stakes are gradually mounting in Goa. All three matches are scheduled at the same time. Two in Goa and one at Siliguri. At Fatorda Sporting Clube de Goa will fight it out with Mumbai's Mahindra and at Vasco Dempo will cross swords with Tolly. At Siliguri East Bengal will wrestle with Vasco. At the end of the penultimate round Sporting has 44 points, Dempo has 43 and East Bengal has 42. For the first time in the history of the NFL there is tremendous excitement at the top. Richard Cabral - Original Message - From: de Quadros, Ciril [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:27 PM Subject: RE: [Goanet]UEFA CUP Final tonight - Lisbon I am sure Sporting Club de Goa will join me and other Goans wishing Sporting Club de Portugal best of luck! Paulo Colaco Dias. Paulo, Sadly this wasn't to be. After a pretty good first half and with a goal to boot, I thought that the second half would go well. Probably the Portuguese should not agree to play in a cup final at home (remember Euro 2004 and Greece). Brilliant goal from Rogerio for Sporting though. We can however probably take pride in Jose Marinho's achievement with Chelsea. warm regards Ciril de Quadros 'no one is so poor that he cannot give, and no one is so rich that he cannot receive' Fr Tony Lopes Visit our website at http://www.halcrow.com The contents of this email do not give rise to any binding legal obligation upon Halcrow Group Limited unless subsequently confirmed on headed business notepaper sent by fax, letter or as an e-mail attachment. Please note that emails supplied are as found and there's no guarantee that the messages contained within the body of the email have not been edited after receipt. If you receive this email in error, please contact the sender and delete the message. Thank you. -
[Goanet]Goanet Reader -- Unassuming giant, Felicio Cardoso
FROM THE KONKANI WORLD: TRIBUTE TO FELICIO CARDOSO -- THE UNASSUMING GIANT By Xavier Cota [EMAIL PROTECTED] The tragic death of Felicio Cardoso a year ago on May 17, 2004 brought down the curtains on a great man who walked most unassumingly amongst us. A man for whom Truth was an uncompromising credo but who, ironically was often accused of being anti-religious! A generous soul whose left hand did not know what his right hand had given and who could yet be charged with being un-Christian! A true freedom-fighter who despite suffering years of brutal imprisonment for his beliefs, never made a fetish of it, nor wore his scars on his sleeve. A teacher who never stopped learning. A chef par excellence, a dramatist, a magician who had mastered hypnotism. A linguist with fluency over English, Portuguese, Kannada, Hindi and Marathi but who prided in most often speaking only his mother-tongue Konkani which he served with brilliant distinction. A writer with mastery over several literary genres, but who nevertheless chose the difficult path of Roman-script Konkani journalism when all that we had at the time were a handful of gossipy weeklies and monthlies in rundown, anaemic, Konkani, and a religious weekly catering to a very limited readership Felicio, though virtually penniless and in indifferent health after his long stint at the infamous Aguada Jail, managed to string up the finances and almost single-handedly launched a high quality Konkani weekly GOENCHO SAD in tabloid format in the Roman script. It was to become the first Konkani weekly in Liberated Goa. From the inception, there were articles of high standard written by eminent Goan writers, both Catholic and Hindu. Felicio Cardoso's contribution to the standardization of written Konkani and the introduction of pure Konkani and Antar-Bharati or pan-Indian vocabulary to Goans in general and the Catholic community in particular is unparelleled. He did it with the flair of a natural teacher as he gradually introduced more and more sophisticated syntax and terminology with the colloquial word in parenthesis. These were subsequently gradually withdrawn. GOENCHO SAD, which hit the news stands early on Sunday morning became a weekly habit for thousands of Goans from the well-educated to the semi-educated. With its mix of bold, accurate reporting, informed comment, poems and creative literature, sports and quizzes, puzzles and competitions, GOENCHO SAD was a success. With the readership clamouring for more, Felicio was emboldened to transform it into a daily within a year. Thus, was born SOT. Continuing the Goencho Sad tradition, a host of top Goan writers wrote for it. Goa's Poet-Laureate Manohar Rai Sardessai contributed a poem every day! Inspired by this, young Goan writers tried their hand at poetry and prose and SOT provided a platform for their creativity. They were heady times. During the four years of its life, SOT played a heroic role in exposing corruption and above all in safeguarding Goa from merger with Maharashtra during the Opinion Poll and for the recognition of Konkani. Later he trained his guns on the Deputationists -- the colonial-type bureaucrats from across the border who were lording it over the Goans in the Goa administration and looting Goa. It would be no exaggeration to say that though GOENCHO SAD and SOT lasted for only half a decade, the standards they set for responsible journalism, bold exposure, informative comment and uncompromising adherence to Truth, is a beacon for Goan journalism for all time -- that too on antiquated machinery and a shoe-string budget! However, unknown to most readers, publishing the SOT was a daily struggle for its editor-publisher who had to sell off the few family heirlooms (that still remained unlooted by his relations and others during his sojourn in jail), to finance it. His uncompromising love for Konkani and his intolerance of corruption and injustice inevitably placed him in the bad books of the powers that be. Corrupt businessmen irked at his espousal of the cause of labour, even hired hoodlums to beat him up as he cycled home one night. Unmindful of the pain, he heroically brought out the next day's edition! Stung by his exposures, the then MGP Government shut off government ads to the fledgling paper. As the red ink mounted, well-wishers mooted what appeared to be a good idea -- the merger of the struggling SOT with A VIDA the Portuguese daily (which, after Liberation found its circulation dwindling), to produce DIVTTI the first broad-sheet Konkani daily with a page in Portuguese. But the chemistry was not right. Unyielding Truth is not a sought-after commodity especially for the establishment to whom some of the new partners belonged. After a few months, Felicio quit rather than compromise his editorial independence. After his departure, DIVTTI sputtered on for
[Goanet]Thinkquest...
This sounds like a great idea. Maybe someone should think of implementing it in Goa too... http://www.apc.org/english/hafkin/2004/finalists.shtml?cmd[810]=x-797-30735 The ThinkQuest Uganda contest is an annual national contest open to Schools. Students work in teams of two to four- from different schools, search for information from civil society organisations (content) - to build websites on issues that affect community directly such as HIV/AIDs,Environment and electronic dumping, reproductive health, poverty, arts and culture, etc; in english and local languages. The websites are compiled on CDs and are used as learning tools by other students and teachers. Reasons for it as as follows: Despite connectivity in schools, approximately 500 Schools in Uganda, there are no local programs / projects taking learners beyond the computer curricula. Schools, teachers and learners haven't had an opportunity to fully utilise the resources to build capacity amongst themselves for better preparation against social and community challenges. Another interesting point they're making is: The computer education / curricula of Uganda from primary, high school to university, is based on classroom problem solving learning, offering no room for learning with reference to the challenges in the field ... Graduates are at a complete loss when they get faced with real world challenges in the field. .. Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490| http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.net ..
[Goanet]SANSAD completes one more year, Notice for the AGM
SANSAD (South Asian Network for Secularism and Democracy) is a good group. Any Goans in Vancouver? Please consider attending and supporting SANSAD. George Dear members, supporters, and friends of SANSAD: One more year has gone by. Once again, it has been an eventful year, with meaningful engagement with a vast range of issues that concern the South Asian Diaspora. The challenges these issues pose for us are big. There have been moments of frustration, of anguish. But such moments are inevitable when struggling for social justice, economic wellbeing, peace, and for human and national dignity, because the forces against us are powerful and entrenched. But we, as a Collective, as an Organization, have persevered, and our commitment has not wavered. We are pleased to be engaging in matters of vital significance for our community. Our strength and our inspiration come from the enormous support we have received, and continue to receive, from diverse sections of our community, and from friends in the larger society. The Executive Committee and Members-at-Large of the Board of Directors are grateful for the confidence bestowed upon them. It is now time for us to report back to the members and friends. We invite you to the Annual General Meeting of SANSAD Sunday, June 19, 2005 3.00 pm-6.00 pm Collingwood Neighborhood House 5288 Joyce Stree, Vancouver (Close to Joyce Street Sky Train Station) Agenda * President's Report * Secretary's Report * Treasurer's Report * Brief Updates Reports (on some of the matters of current concerns and engagements): - India-Pakistan Peace process - Civil War in Nepal - Islamists in Bangladesh - Hindutava in India - 1984 Massacre of Sikhs, Nanavati Commission Report - Caste based oppressions - Human Rights in Kashmir and elsewhere in the Region - Tsunami Relief Efforts - Peace Process in Sri Lanka - Continental Linkages against Genocide in India - South Asian Youth Alliance - Religious Arbitration and Family Law, Ottawa Conference - Campaign to Regularize Undocumented immigrants - Campaign Against Starbuck's discriminatory policies - Anti-war, anti-imperialist engagements * Elections for the new Executive Committee, and Members-at-Large * Any other Business * Vote of thanks Coffee and snacks will be served. * SANSAD South Asian Network for Secularism and Democracy Suite 435, 205 - 329 North Road, Coquitlam, BC, Canada. V3K 6Z8 phone : (604) 420-2972; FAX: (604) 420-2970 Electronic mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Incorporated in British Columbia under the Society Act as a Non-Profit Society, # S-31797]
[Goanet]BYE ELECTIONS OR BI-ELECTIONS?
BYE ELECTIONS OR BI-ELECTIONS? Will the bye-elections scheduled on 2nd of next month turn out to be bi elections for many of the contestants? It looks so. Party affiliations of many of the contestants especially those who are re-seeking their seats will be just like masks but their individual charisma, money and muscle powers will be their forte and on the basis of these attributes they will get elected. Once they get elected, whom they will support in the Legislative Assembly? When MGP came into being its main aim was to cut the power base and influence of Christians and for this reason MGP first tried to introduce Marathi into Goa as an official language thereby deny the Christians of all the jobs in the Government sector. In order to cut Christians of their economic source MGP even preferred Maharastrians but by all means demolish Christians from Goa was their motto. The hero of this scheme was none other than the late Dayananda Bandodkar who destroyed not only the interest of Christians but he destroyed in the bargain the interest of Goa. Good that he died early otherwise his power and influence in Goa would do immeasurable damage to Goa Goans in general and to Christians in particular. All those who show their affiliations to non Goans are not genuine Goans, their roots are somewhere beyond the borders of Goa. Incidentally most of the hard-core MGP stalwarts are expired or gone into oblivion, this is something good for the Goa lover Goans. But men like Prataphsingh Raoji Rane who is a hard core MGP and whose ancestry rooted beyond the boundaries of Goa is still going strong. During his tenure as Chief Minister, in an organized and systematic manner the interest of Goa and genuine Goans scientifically with mathemematical calculation hampered. His non-Goan wife played strong role in influencing him to deGoanise Goa. Thru back door Rane inducted many of the anti-Goan and anti-Konkani elements in Goa. These elements put a heavy brake on the development of genuine Goans. Ranes style of functioning was like a dictator which habit he acquired from later stage Bandodcar. Bandodkar during the early stages was like a rat but later on became a real Lion thru which he started acting like a Salazar. Many concluded that in his blood lot of traces of Zalarism found. During the language agitation the Policemen who used to lathi charge us the Konknni activists were the products of Ranes employment policy of giving more opportunities in Police force to non-Goans who had hatred for Goans and Konkani and for this reason they used to brutally lathi charge the Konknai activists and Konkani agitationists. Even otherwise Rane is a pure communal though to remain in power externally he showed that he is a secular. One thing one must bear in mind that no MGP sympathizer or supporter or a member can be a true secular. MGP and secularism will never go together. Manhohar Parrikar the former BJP Chief Minister had deep roots in communalism and to prove this he as reported recently in the media went to Ayodya to be a part of the communal gang that demolished the Babri Masjid. Worst part of it was that he took pride and pleasure in this dirty mission. During his tenure he safronised Goa Police force and many other Government sectors. While he was doing this he received total support and blessings from all his Cristao colleagues in the Legislative Asembly who like slaves bended their knees and heads in front of Parrikar. Babush Monsurate, Isidore, Mickey Pacheco and Mathany Saldanha are the worst criminals who committed worst crimes by aligning with communal Parrikar. Recently somebody said that if I had Papal power, I would excommunicate all of them for helping BJP in damaging Christianity and Christian interest in Goa. In the coming bye elections the chances of all the Cristao contestants are not gloomy. But the voters in their respective constituencies must bring a heavy pressure on these Aya Rams and Gaya Rams not to affiliate them with Parrikar once they are elected. The Church must play a very important role in this direction in educating the voters and moralizing their contestants. Church is duty bound to take corrective steps against those who are disgracing morality in political life in Goa. Moral degradation is galloping in Goan politics and because of this total morality in Goa is getting damaged. The defectors are polluting the moral fabric of Goan life. When this type of immorality is going on in Goa, Goan Church which is a very mighty organization cannot remain a silent spectator. Unfortunately, in the past thru the silent nod of the Church, some of the Church members supported BJP candidates and for this reason Goa had to suffer. If Aldona Church had to take the correct stand, we would not have a sex maniac in Goan politics who seduce innocent girls especially Cristao girls. This sex maniac I understand is having a Diary with
[Goanet]Fortune cookies
Folks, This one is from today's, The Globe and Mail. Mervyn3.0 Betting on numbers recommended in fortune cookies, 110 Chinese food patrons won between $100,000 and $500,000 each in a multi state U.S. Poweball lottery, organizational director Charles Strutt said yesterday. By the laws of statistical probability, there should have been only four or five winners among the 10 million ticket buyers but there were nearly 20 times that many. When the winners of the prize came forward to claim the prize, state lottery official had instructions to grill them, Mr. Strut said. The first hint came from Tennessee where the first three winners said they took numbers from fortune cookies - a story repeated across the country. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
[Goanet]PARADIGM SHIFTS
http://www.agencyfaqs.com/news/stories/2005/05/20/11510.html Fire Starters THE ECONOMIC TIMES Vinod Mahanta The managing director of Air Deccan has become the latest to join a band of unusual businessmen who have changed the rules of the game, or to use the more academic phrase, brought about a paradigm shift in the industries they operate in. The august company includes entrepreneurs like Kishore Biyani, Rajesh Hukku, CK Ranganathan, Karsanbhai Patel, KV Kamath and Ajay Bijli among others. Each one entered an industry and reshaped it. .. Over time, consumers tend to take paradigm shifts for granted, often forgetting how things used to be before a fire starter came and revolutionised things. Take banking, for example. Does anyone remember the time when the ATM was considered a top-end, value-added service offered by transnational banks to high-networth customers? -- Keep your eyes peeled for a paradigm shift in Goan aviation!! It just may be an idea whose time has come.
[Goanet]Re: Canuck is not name calling
Cornel wrote: Hi Mario, I'd like to see if there are some Canadian or other responses regarding the word Canuckistan. I'd be happy to concede the point to you if you are indeed right. Cordially, Cornel - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Canuck is not name calling Cornel, Canuck is now name-calling? Au contraire, mon ami. Wherever did you get the notion that the word Canuck is derogatory? It is no more derogatory than the word Brit. RESPONSE: First off I don't buy Mario's assertion that he refers to Canada as Canuckistan affectionately because he has not had a single good thing to say about Canada. All he has repeatedly done is to compare Canada to the USSR and other unfriendly places in our world that rhyme with Canuckistan. Imagine Canada like the USSR, where state institutions like the KGB wrecked the lives of millions of people. Secondly as far as addressing a Canadian as a Canuck...Mario probably is referring to Johnny Canuck the Canadian alter-ego of the US Uncle Sam. Yes there is a Vancouver Canucks NHL hockey team.and there are the Washington Redskins and the Cleveland Indians and the Atlanta Bravesand they all carry 'baggage' of racial overtones. Nevertheless I'd like to refer to a US institution as that's the standard Mario supposedly follows. Everything American is Yay; everything else is Nay! So I picked the following from The College of New Jersey in Ewing, NJ http://kpearson.faculty.tcnj.edu/Dictionary/canuck.htm Canuck seems to be a sticky term. Used by Canadians, the word is acceptable in virtually all applications. Used by an outsider, however, it has the potential to take on an offensive or derogatory tone. So Mario, while I can't speak for everybody.you can continue to call me a Canuck especially if it makes you feel good.I am after all a GOAN CANADIAN! Best wishes - Bosco
