[Goanet]Home is where the heart is/Melinda Coutinho Powell
Mario Goveia wrote"While I fully agree that "Home is where the heart is", I'm getting a little fed-up with the sly sentimentality and the snide insinuations obviously aimed at those of us who have our primary homes elsewhere. ___ Mario, Im must confess to being sentimental but not sly.I dont think it is a bad thing to be sentimental. No snide insinuations were made,just some "straight from the heart" talk.Nothing is aimed /obviously aimed at those who have primary homes else where.My brother &sister have migrated to Canada,My husband's entire family have migrated to the U.S.People's decisions have to be respected.There is always nostalgia when one talks about "home".Im quite sure that Australia,UK.,U.S.A.,etc have great things to offer and people who have primary homes there are happy where they are. __ "Anyone who finds a resemblance between heaven and Goa's stifling heat and humidity in summer, not to mention the height of the monsoon season, is either kidding themselves or has no other options."___ The reality is far from being heaven,Goa is hot as hell.,at the moment.The monsoons havent begun as yet,and the humidity level is high.The monsoon is not too bad,actually Goa is beautiful in the rains. Sometimes people have options,they may not choose to take those options for whatever reason. ___ "Why would anyone who has a choice pick just one place to call "home"? This is 2005, and the world is a much smaller place than it used to be." Yes Mario,air travel is also becoming a lot more affordable.Ive just returned from a 2 month vacation in Seattle,which is my secondary home. I choose to call "Goa" home because Ive relcoated here,I do have a "home' here.It is just convenient to call just one place "home". Cheers , to friendship on Goanet, not war Melinda
[Goanet]Re: *** Goanet Reader -- Goan society, its future direction...
[June 15] You have identified five mega problems -- environmental degradation, unscrupulous politicians, inward migration, deterioration in education and drug abuse. Does everybody agree on these five or are there others which should also be included? Once we have a master list we have to prioritise them and then figure out cause-effect relationships (including linkages) and comprehensive action plans for each. Anybody want to kick things off?
Re:[Goanet] Some pure baloney in American revisionist history
--- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >You are free to believe any version you please, just >don't try to ram it down my throat when there are >other competing versions that I choose to believe >which make more sense to me. > Who is ramming anything down your throat? I do not just believe anything, if it is not backed by facts. I always choose to remain agnostic. I ask you, Why do you choose to believe certain versions and not others? Why do they make more sense to you? > >Your question about European historians being biased >against their own kind is just plain silly. > Why is it silly? > >Europeans are not monolithic, nor do they all have >similar opinions. > I am talking about facts, not opinions. What facts convince you that some European historians are biased, and why? > >There are some Europeans who are still trying to claim >that Hitler's holocaust never happened. > What distinguishes these people from those who claim that the Amerindian holocaust (mass killing of defenseless people of a different kind) never happened? > >I just don't believe there was any systematic mass >killing of defenseless people by the European >settlers in North America, any more than than there >was mass killing of defenseless people in any >historical expansionist period, going back to Roman >and Greek and Ottoman times, and even the Huns and >Barbarians. > Do you have any facts to back your assertions? Or is this also what you choose to believe because it makes sense to you? Do you deny the Armenian genocide committed by the Turks, as well? > >The point is that there were expansionist periods >throughout history. The Roman Empire and Alexander >ring a bell? Obviously those who were conquered were >treated "unfairly". > I am sorry, I still don't see any point being made here. Are expansionism and mass killing of defenseless people of a different kind (genocide/holocaust) mutually exclusive? > >What I am objecting to is revisionism being applied >to the settling of North America, with incendiary >terms like "genocide" and "holocaust" and incredible >claims of small pox infected blankets. > Please provide some facts (not opinions) to back your claims of revisionism, and the incredibility of small pox infected blankets (in the specific case of General Amherst, Colonel Bouquet and Captain Ecuyer). > >For this to make sense all the Europeans would have >to have had small pox. > Not true at all. Only the soldiers involved in distributing the blankets need to have had small pox. Moreover, it has been documented that because of frequent epidemics nearly 90% of the susceptible population of the Old World had already suffered from small pox. Please also note that the most severe form of small pox had a mortality rate of 25 to 30% in all exposed populations, including the European population (for the less severe form it was 1%). In contrast, in the Amerindian population mortality from this disease was considerably higher (perhaps, more than 50%). The Amerind population of Dominican Republic, for instance, declined from 3 million to just 125 in a very short period of time because of small pox. > >As I said before, believe such stuff if you want to. >I just think that such claims are pure baloney. > As I said above, I do not just believe anything, if it is not backed by facts. I always choose to remain agnostic. I ask you again, what facts convince you that such claims are baloney? Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]LOW COST CARRIER BREAKS THRU PUNE"S DEFENCE CORDON
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1141962.cms Pune gets first no frill airlines SIDDHARTHA KASHYAP TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ TUESDAY, JUNE 14, 2005 03:58:07 PM ] Spice Jet flies to Goa too (since May 27) but the local media have not been able to come up with a similar coverage of their move. Utt, guys!
[Goanet]RO - RO for cars
Re:[Goanet] In America, the crows stick to the garbage
--- Peter D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SH: > Who according to you is opposed to a free Iraq? One > who disagrees with the policies of the present U.S. > administration? > > PD'S: > This is not "according to me", sorry. Those opposed > to a free Iraq were very > vocal in opposing America and Britain's desire for > a regime change in Iraq. Those who > supported a free Iraq choose to put their money > where their mouth is by sending > troops and other help in the effort to toople > Saddam and his evil Baathist regime. --> Personally, I dont give a hoot that people in Iraq may have been suffering under Saddam's rule, just I do not really care about the the genocide in Sudan or the fact that women are being raped over there. This is specially true when it comes to the bankrupt government spending my tax money on this. Obviously, the US agrees with me that the mass rapes in Dafur, Sudan are not a big deal either as the US (and most of the world)has only given lip service to this issue. Evil is all relative. I am sure there are many of us (me included) who would not hesitate to legally work with the Saddam regime if we could profit from it. Even Rumsfeld wheeled and dealed with him some time ago! Marlon
[Goanet]Konkani Ring Tones -update 2
Receive 5 more today. Itlo temp tumi khuim aslim??? I hve not sent any ring tones to any one after the first 12. Please bear with me (very busy) u must be knowing why? Plus, it takes time to relocate sim card into another (older)phone etc TANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, A CUSTOMER SERVICES AGENT WILL BE WITH YOU SHORTLY. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]One state, one rate...
BPL, the mobile company, is offering local dialling facilities within Maharashtra and Goa regions. So, making a call to anywhere in Maharashtra is just like making a local (mobile) call. While the lower rates are welcome, I guess the slogan it advertises under, 'One State, one rate' is unlikely to win BPL friends in Goa -- at least among the non-mergerist majority who always thought Goa was, and should remain, a separate state ;-) This ad came up in The Indian Express in its issue dated May 23, 2005. Or maybe, we're not in the 1960s, so it doesn't matter any more. Every politician is out to feather his/her own nest, with whomever s/he finds a suitable partner ;-) FN .. Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490| http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.net ..
[Goanet]Complain about B.S.N.L. billing strategy.
Hello, I am Anand P. Verlekar, r/o. Prabhuwaddo, Calangute, Bardes, Goa. I would like to share my bad experience while dealing with BSNL Authorities. I have my residential telephone bearing no.2279162. The line is in my dad’s name. On 2t9 Apr’05 I had submitted an application with “Customer Service division of B.S.N.L.” in Mapusa requesting for a sulabh plan on our residential line. After regular follow up, the outgoing calls were disconnected from 8th May’ 05. The situation means that I will have to pay normal telephonic rent from Apr’05 to 7th May’05 ( the billing cycle being bi-monthly from Apr’ to May’ 05 & so on..) & from 8th May’05 my rentals will be as per sulabh plan. Yesterday I have received the bill for the month of Apr’05 to May’05, needless to say as usual the rent for both months is charged at the normal rate, without even considering rentals which should be charged for sulabh plan from 8th May’05. I enquired with their customer service center on 2252500 in Mapusa, & was replied that even when the sulabh is applied on 8th May’05, rental billing is done on monthly basis, so there is no provision of billing on prorata basis. Now my question here is that, if rental is charged on monthly basis, then when the connections are given or the lines are shifted in the middle of the month, then B.S.N.L. charges for the rate on prorate basis? I think this is cheating on part of B.S.N.L. There can’t be double mind in deciding the rentals. There might many of such B.S.N.L. customers, who just due to fear of wasting valuable time, may not be giving much attention to these dirty tactics by B.S.N.L. I think the time has come, where the B.S.N.L. Authorities should properly handle such situations. Regards, Anand.
Re: [Goanet]DVD's/VCD's/Video
There are some movies available at www.goa-world.com Anyone having the original video can convert the same to VCD, in this way one can have a clear copy. I also understand there are some softwares for converting audio cassettes into CD's. Some time back I had suggested the old Mandos' cassettes/CD's to be converted into Karaoke music as many konkani lovers will be able to sing along with the music. Manfa music are u listening? Regards Eddie Verdes Chinchinim/KSA From: "joao manuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Since several Goans all over the world are interested in possessing > the copies of all the original Konknni movies produced in the 60's, > and 70's, could you let me know the guaranteed sources where one can > acquire them and at what price. > > Thanks, > > (Joao Manuel Pereira) > >
RE: [Goanet]Willy without portfolio ??
Carlos, << Willy will be the next CM of Goa and he will be a good one >> Could you please justify your statement with true premises? Your statement appears to be based either on assumptions well known to you or logical inconsistency. Further, I will appreciate your description of so-called "a good one". Personally, I do not have any dispute with either Carlos or Dr. Willy - my dispute is with Carlos' statement. Just curious! Cip -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 16 June 2005 01:00 Vivian, Just watch. Willy will be the next CM of Goa and he will be a good one. Carlos -Original Message- From: Vivian D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Goanet]Willy without portfolio ?? Maybe now that he has hit bottom, he will re-infvent himself and become a full-fledged Congressmen, or if spurned will then become a full fledged saffronite ? It is obvious that this person is not committed to any ideology or principles. Chameleons ! Lets see what unfolds in the next few days or hours.
Re: Subject: Re: [Goanet]Engelbert Humperdinck - where is Santosh when we need him
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario, I heard Zubin Mehta also wants to be a Goan. What qualifications are reqd to be a Goan? Carlos Maybe a nanny who was a Goan? At least a school-teacher? What about having had a holiday in Goa three decades ago? After all, ZM is not just about any poverty-striken migrant who is coming in for drudge work and physical labour. And, we Goans do have differing strokes for differing folks -- in a word, discriminatory standards. FN .. Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490| http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.net ..
[Goanet]Going off Goanet
If mail from your inbox is bouncing, you could stop receiving Goanet. This happens because your address is shifted to the 'no-mail' list. If this happens to your address, please write in an tell us -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we'll switch you back. FN .. Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490| http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.net ..
[Goanet]Home is where the heart is
Mario Goveia wrote: While I fully agree that "Home is where the heart is", I'm getting a little fed-up with the sly sentimentality and the snide insinuations obviously aimed at those of us who have our primary homes elsewhere. Cecil: My sincere apologies if what I wrote came across that way. I was merely stating my singular opinion that I love having Goa as my home. Different people have different tastes, and priorities. No offense was meant to anyone who chooses to have his home elsewhere. But as far as 'sentimentality' goes what's wrong with that? Perhaps Mario is suggesting we do away with 'Goa nostalgia' postings too on GoaNet and instead concentrate on USA, Saddam, homosexuality, hidden AIDS needles and suchlike? --- Mario: Why would anyone who has a choice pick just one place to call "home"? This is 2005, and the world is a much smaller place than it used to be. Cecil: Finances for one. Children's studies for another. Job... Not everyone has a choice of having homes in different countries. -- Mario: I love Goa, bought property there recently, and visit every year to bask in the warmth of friends and family - all when the weather is still bearable. Then we head for more pleasant climes for the rest of the year. Cecil: I am happy for you that you have such a choice. Please keep in mind that there is a difference between a home and a 'holiday home' Mario: Anyone who finds a resemblance between heaven and Goa's stifling heat and humidity in summer, not to mention the height of the monsoon season, is either kidding themselves or has no other options. Cecil: Possibly you are right. But weather is not the only reason for choosing one's home. In fact if weather was the only factor then even more reason for choosing Goa as your home. You should come down and spend time in the monsoons here Mario. It's not heaven, but it's close. Cheers! ==
Re: [Goanet]Konkani Ring Tones -update 2
Dear Joe, Kindly return my demand draft no. 00965-9489431 of Rs 5 (Rupees five only)immediately. What is this? Fottoi?fottoi. How long I have to wait for your ring-tone? I am afraid. This is not a new SCAM Patience naslolo, Lino --- JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Receive 5 more today. Itlo temp tumi khuim aslim??? I hve not sent any ring tones to any one after the first 12. Please bear with me (very busy) u must be knowing why? Plus, it takes time to relocate sim card into another (older)phone etc TANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, A CUSTOMER SERVICES AGENT WILL BE WITH YOU SHORTLY. http://www.goa-world.com/goa/poems http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=gulf-goans_yahoogroups_com&restrict=&exclude=&words=Lino+B.+Dourado __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [Goanet]Willy without portfolio ??
It seems, I may be wrong, that you have not followed what Willy said about Congress being more communal than BJP. In other words, BJP wants Willy to be CM by supporting NCP. By doing so, BJP will have a say in the day to day functioning of the government which is secondary to Parrikar's plan. The primary focus, as far as Parrikar is concerned, is to starve the BJP traitors, the infamous five, by keeping them away from juicy portfolios. Willy will behave like "a good one" in fresh saffron robes. Avelino Bastora/Kuwait ___ Cip Fernandes wrote: Carlos, << Willy will be the next CM of Goa and he will be a good one >> Could you please justify your statement with true premises? Your statement appears to be based either on assumptions well known to you or logical inconsistency. Further, I will appreciate your description of so-called "a good one". Personally, I do not have any dispute with either Carlos or Dr. Willy - my dispute is with Carlos' statement. Just curious! Cip ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 16 June 2005 01:00 Vivian, Just watch. Willy will be the next CM of Goa and he will be a good one. Carlos Vivian D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Maybe now that he has hit bottom, he will re-infvent himself and become a full-fledged Congressmen, or if spurned will then become a full fledged saffronite ? It is obvious that this person is not committed to any ideology or principles. Chameleons ! Lets see what unfolds in the next few days or hours.
[Goanet]Migration: Opportunities for children or wanderlust
Cecil wrote: Just for the sake of friendly debate, which will perhaps leave all of us better informed, could you qualify the statement that you made of your children having an "advantage of choice as far as choice of careers go".. __ Just have a go at any of the Australian Universities, and see the choice for yourself. And mind you, you do not need a grand distinction to gain entry, and mind you, these are very good centers of learning, far better than what is on offer in Goa. click here for more details: http://www.unimelb.edu.au/ http://www.latrobe.edu.au/ http://www.rmit.edu.au/ http://www.swin.edu.au/ http://www.monash.edu.au/ http://www.deakin.edu.au/ Now these are only a few universities in a small place like Melbourne. Go through the sites and see what is there on offer. Besides university degrees, there are also options of courses like TAFE etc., and like I said earlier, our children do have a better advantage as far as choice of careers go. If we were in Goa, we only had Goa University, and I do not have to say more. By the way, Goa is also bigger than Melbourne. So the question of choice is far bigger than you can imagine. I do not want to let our beloved Goa down, but sometimes we do need to make hard decisions for the sake of our loved ones. We were doing well in Goa, and were very comfortable, but had to leave it all behind for the sake of our children. Mind you, it did hurt a lot making that decision, but we just had to do it, and today we know we did not make a mistake. I agree that education here is very costly as compared to Goa, but there are Government subsidies to enable the young ones to afford whatever they need by way of education, and payback is slow on low interest terms, mainly deducted off your income, based on your income earned, when you earn it. In Goa, we have to rely on the banks, and I need not go into those details now. Incidentally, there are scores of Indian students including Goans ones studying independantly in Universities over here. Many opt to stay on after completion of their courses, but still many do opt to return to India, and I am not surprised with their decision in that regard. If my children decide to return to India, they will have my support too, in that decision. Your friend may have had different reasons for his migration, but then we all have our own very reasons too. For some it may be wanderlust, but not for all. By the way, I still love my Goa, and care a lot about what is going on there. Nothing can change or diminish the Goa that is in my heart. best, salus
Re:[Goanet] In America, the crows stick to the garbage
--- Peter D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >No. I did not say that they are "very conservative". >Conservatives are recovering liberals (most of us >anyway). > If some liberals like you recovered to being conservatives than at least some liberals must be open-minded. Are you now as a conservative open-minded enough to switch back to being a liberal? > >people who liken George Bush to Hitler > How about people who liken a Democratic president to Stalin? Are they America-haters? > >popular entertainers who criticise America on foreign >soil > By "criticise America", do you mean criticise the policies of a Republican administration? Is the democratic right to dissent confined within the U.S. borders? > >people weren't happy when Saddam Hussein was captured >(many of whom were actually sad, for fear that it >would translate to election losses for the Democrat >party), > Was capturing Saddam Hussein part of a political strategy to win the election for the Republican party? If so, are these people America-lovers? > >Personally, I disagree with the present administration >on many issues, but I love this country dearly. > What are your disagreements? > >There are others who disagree with the present >administration instinctively, I've identified some of >them above. > I assume that you do not instinctively label as America-haters those who instinctively disagree with the present administration. > >Those opposed to a free Iraq were very vocal in >opposing America and Britain's desire for a regime >change in Iraq. > Are you open-minded enough to consider the possibility that these people disagreed that military invasion was the only option? Are you now opposed to a free North Korea or a free Saudi Arabia? > >Non, monsieur. You can hate everyone and still be >truly French, n'est-ce pas? > Are you France-hater? Do you think it is appropriate to use the word French as a derisive epithet? If so, why? Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]NIO, on the Goa March 2005 oil spill
http://210.212.160.230/jsp/oilspill.jsp 23 March 2005 oil spill off Goa, India Oil has been spilled from an anchored vessel MV Maritime Wisdom on 23 March 2005 at around 1:30 am, Lat 15° 24'N; Long 73° 43'E. Initial position of the spill is shown in the figure below. A barge carrying iron ore collided with the vessel resulting in development of a 3x6" wide hole. The hole was plugged at about 04:00 am and until then about 110 tons of bunker oil has been spilled. Coast guard is in operation to monitor using aircraft. They are also working on control of spread of the spill by using booms and dispersants. What is a bunker oil? It is a heavyweight material that is difficult to pump and requires preheating for use. This fuel oil may be heavier than water, is not likely to dissolve, is difficult or impossible to disperse, and is likely to form tar balls, lumps, and emulsions. It has a low volatility and moderate flash point See URL above for details, and also http://www.nio.org Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org
RE: [Goanet]Konkani Ring Tones -update 2
Linobab, Please don't loose your patience; it's a beautiful gift. Joe, I believe, is busy scanning and uploading old as well as new photographs of tiatr personalities. Joebab, any more delay with the ring tone might have adverse effect on "Aitaracheo Kaskuleo". So, please leave everything and send the ring tone to Linobab; unless you want to read "Aitaracheo Kaskuleo - Fottoi, Fottoi..." -:) Avelino Bastora/Kuwait __ lino dourado wrote: Dear Joe, Kindly return my demand draft no. 00965-9489431 of Rs 5 (Rupees five only)immediately. What is this? Fottoi...fottoi. How long I have to wait for your ring-tone? I am afraid. This is not a new SCAM Patience naslolo, Lino __ --- JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Receive 5 more today. Itlo temp tumi khuim aslim??? I hve not sent any ring tones to any one after the first 12. Please bear with me (very busy) u must be knowing why? Plus, it takes time to relocate sim card into another (older)phone etc TANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, A CUSTOMER SERVICES AGENT WILL BE WITH YOU SHORTLY. http://www.goa-world.com/goa/poems http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=gulf-goans_yahoogrou ps_com&restrict=&exclude=&words=Lino+B.+Dourado __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]THE DA FONSECA CODE
Igorjen bamon teca kelo ani vodlo bamon to zalo punn igorz nagoili connem ? padr vigaran ? chett ! to devache bhiranticho munis So how come mostly bamon families prospered during the Porguguese regime. Is there a symbologist among Goan catholics who could crack open a Pandora's box , I mean da Fonseca code ? And what is this code, it is not in a painting but is an old age saying : Padricho sermaum , vhonienc nuim . Antonio
[Goanet]NRIs' Dual Citizenship dream is now a reality
NRIs' Dual Citizenship dream is now a reality PTI[ THURSDAY, JUNE 16, 2005 04:51:35 PM ] NEW DELHI: The Union Cabinet on Thursday gave its approval for amending the Citizenship Act 1955 to enable all persons of Indian origin who migrated to other countries after January 26, 1950 to acquire overseas citizenship of India. The cabinet meeting, chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, also gave its approval to amend the Allocation of Business Rules and to allow Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs to issue notifications under Section 7B (1) of the Citizenship Act and issue smart cards to registered Overseas Citizens of India. However, the amendment would not be applicable to all persons of Indian origin, their children and grand children, who migrated to Pakistan and Bangladesh after January 26, 1950. Read full text at: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1143960.cms forwarded by Eddie Verdes
[Goanet]Subject: Re: Can we dump the legend, and keep the message
(Mario Goveia wrote: ?Santosh, While no one should support spreading something that is false (there goes Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny), would it be possible for you to use your impressive ability to separate fact from fiction to not just debunk urban legends that may conclude with a socially redeeming message or suggestion, but to find for us alternative truthful anecdotes that may support the same message, realizing that this may not be possible in each and every case.?) Is there really a need to present a fictional story as a fact to inspire, motivate and guide others? Did not Gandhi acknowledge the profound effect the ?Bhagvat Gita? and the ?Sermon on the mount?, have on his life? Has not religion, which admittedly is not based on facts, inspired and motivated millions of its followers, either for the better or for the worse? I think the point Dr. Helekar is making is quite clear: why should an anecdote, which can tend to be inspiring by itself, be exaggerated and fabricated and then be presented as fact? Can we not call a legend a legend, a tale a tale, a myth a myth and a true story a true story? Why is there a need then to resort to falsehoods? On a related note, a funny incident happened a few days back. While we, a group of friends, were having a discussion, one friend got up and remarked that ?Swami Vivekananda?, while meditating, used to float in the air. We all had a hearty laugh. Fabrications and exaggerations can lead to otherwise sensible people thinking in such a ridiculous manner. (Mario, you will find a lot of truthful anecdotes and authentic stories about ordinary Indians who, through their intense struggle, perseverance and dedication, have now become role models in society at the link http://www.goodnewsindia.com ) __ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html
Re: [Goanet]Is Zubin Mehta really a Goan?
Carlos, At the risk of starting a new urban legend, I have heard that Zubin Mehta is already a bhatkar from Sangolda (just kidding, folks). --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Mario, > > I heard Zubin Mehta also wants to be a Goan. What > qualifications are reqd to be a Goan? > > Carlos > > -Original Message- > >From: Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: goanet@goanet.org > >Sent: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:50:35 -0700 (PDT) > >Subject: Re: [Goanet]Engelbert Humperdinck - where > is Santosh when we > need him > > >Santosh, > >Would you please confirm or debunk these urban > >legends, please, before they get out of hand. Now > >Englebert who does not even acknowledge he is an > >Indian, as far as I know, and used to be an > >Anglo-Indian from Chennai, has become a Goan from > >Cuncolim. > > > >
[Goanet]Dual Citizenship: When ?
Cabinet nod for dual citizenship` June 16, 2005 15:57 IST The Union Cabinet on Thursday gave its approval for amending the Citizenship Act 1955 to enable all persons of Indian origin who migrated to other countries after January 26, 1950 to acquire overseas citizenship of India. The cabinet meeting, chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, also gave its approval to amend the Allocation of Business Rules and to allow Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs to issue notifications under Section 7B (1) of the Citizenship Act and issue smart cards to registered Overseas Citizens of India. However, the amendment would not be applicable to all persons of Indian origin, their children and grand children, who migrated to Pakistan and Bangladesh after January 26, 1950. It will benefit people who were eligible to become citizens on this date or belonged to the territories, which became part of India after August 15, 1947 to acquire overseas citizenship "as long as their home countries allow dual citizenship in some form or the other". These were among the various proposals approved by the cabinet, Information and Broadcasting Minister Jaipal Reddy told reporters after the meeting. Rediff [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Home is where the heart is/Melinda Coutinho Powell
--- melinda Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Im must confess to being sentimental but not sly.I > dont think it is a bad thing to be sentimental. > No snide insinuations were made,just some "straight > from the heart" talk.Nothing is aimed /obviously > aimed at those who have primary homes else where. > Mario replies: I apologize for the extraneous adjectives, which were inappropriate, and I see nothing wrong with some balanced sentiment and nostalgia, but for you and others to emphasize the obvious about Goa where you live, for no apparent reason, did have a smidgen of an insinuation, in my never-humble opinion. Maybe I'm wrong. Having said that, my reaction may have had something to do with the fact that I have met many expatriate Indians, mostly older ones, who carry tremendous sentimental baggage about having abandoned India, are never sure where they "belong", where they want to be cremated or interred, and other similar assorted sentiments. The younger ones seem to have no such qualms; the whole world is their oyster in 2005. The sentimental baggage can be harmful when living abroad, setting people apart, making those same people seem "strange" or "different" to the locals among whom they live, and then leading to complaints of not being made welcome, not being accepted, etc. People who are happy to live wherever they do, project that sentiment through their positive attitude and infectious outlook, and never seem to have any acceptance problems.
[Goanet]RE: My mobile no. 00965-9489431(atanch pattoi)
Atanch baim marlier atanch udok eta?? Atanch pattoi muntlear antanch pattounk eta? You pl wait for your turn. i have now put you last in the 'Q' Refund?? There is a cancellation charge of Rs.10 So you still want your Rs.5 back? if so, send me another Rs.5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Ghazals... on NPR
NPR (National Public Radio, of the US) had this interesting programme with Kiran Ahluwalia on ghazals. Kiran went on to explain the meanings of her Urdu verse, suddenly extending the audience for an ancient form of music that is otherwise known only in north India, Pakistan and maybe Iran. Or among expat Indian audiences of a certain (probably elderly) age-group. Perhaps it's time for Konkani too to package itself for wider audiences, instead of being restricted to the traditional market-share. And, by this, I don't mean changing it irrecognisably. But simply going in for explanations of the form and content, translations of literature and more... that would make it comprehensible to many more. Tomazinho Cardozo made an interesting point the other day, when he spoke about the so-far limited audiences of the tiatr and Konkani films of the past (mainly popular among Catholic audiences in Goa and, to a lesser extent, among the diaspora). It probably underlines the point. Incidentally, Kiran's group was using an acoustic guitar, not a sitar or sarangi! She argued that the guitar has been used in Indian music for the last 30-40 years. Guess she wasn't looking at it's longer role in Goan music, even if All India Radio sometimes (almost dismissively) terms it as "Western-style Konkani music". FN .. Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490| http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.net ..
[Goanet]From around the Goanworld.
>From around the GOANWORLD.
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What's ON
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01. 10AM. Saturday 18, June: [Global Aid Committee]
GAC Walk-a-thon [Ile Charon - see map]
The early birds are welcome to join in the GAC
Walk-a-thon. [A good warm-up]. Please donate
genoursly as all the money [every cent] raised is
given to deserving charities. The attached map may be
use to find the walkers. It is also in the vicinity of
the picnic area.
[ See Att: GAC_walk_050618-e.jpg ]
02. 11AM. Saturday 18, June: [Quebec Goan Association]
QGA Father's Day Picnic
A message from the honorary secretary:
Date: Saturday, June 18, 2005
Place: Boucherville Park
Time: Starting at 11 a.m.
For the potluck lunch - bring one dish. Dessert îs
optional. A Mass will be celebrated at the site at
5.00 p.m.
We have reserved a spot for the QGA - GRANDE RIVIERE
(BIG RIVER) Members should tell the attendants at the
entrance that they are part of a group. Adults will
be $3.00 each and children 6-17 years $1.00 each. 1
Adult with Children $5.00
2 Adults with Children $7.00
Park Admission Rates Per Vehicle (Includes Parking
Fee) Directions: Highway 25 (continuation of highway
20) exit 1, near Lafontaine Tunnel. Park des Iles de
Boucherville
Illes St. Marguerite
P.O.Box 310
Boucherville, Qc. Tel: 450-928-5089
Complete directions available at www.yellowpages.ca
03. 11AM. Saturday 20, August:[Quebec Goan
Association]
World Goa Day - 2005 Picnic
?The day for (world-wide) Goan solidarity.?
SPECIAL INVITATION - TO ALL GOANS AND THEIR FRIENDS
You are invited to the World Goa Day 2005 picnic.
Venue: Parc Agrignon, Lasalle. Date: Saturday, 20 Aug,
Time: 11.00am - 6.00pm
Pot-Luck Lunch. Bring a dish {Goan cusine, if
possible), your drinks, chairs, umbrellas, etc. etc.
[all your picnic stuff]. Prizes and lots of fun.
Please Note:
For details check [07] WORLD GOA DAY - 2005 [for
details]
http://www.piczo.com/felixhabari?g=10656859
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Best Regards,
Felix D'Sa
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Subject: Goinkars Own Academy Celebrate Parents Day &
World Goa Day 2005
Dear All,
The Goinkars Own Academy will be celebrating Parents
Day / World Goa Day 2005 on 16th/17th July at Al-Syed
Farm. For details contact the following Committee
Members:
Deborah Santamaria
- President
Melba Pinto
- Secretary
Rose Fernandes
Asst Secretary
Gertie DSilva
- PR Secretary
Marie Anna Croning
Asst Ent Secretary
Gavin Dlima
Security Advisor
Since invitations are limited. Please give in your
names ASAP to any committee members.
(See attached file:
Parents Day World goa day - 2005
Deborah Santamaria
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Attachment: Parents Day World goa day - GOA 2005.ppt]
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G.O.A.Toronto
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23RD JULY 2005
VIVA GOA DAY -
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Thanks to Goanet admin and its members for their
support and the use of Goan et * Umbrella * organist
ion , WORLD GOA DAY is now known all over the
GOANWORLD , it is a day of GOAN SOLIDARITY.
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Just a reminder to what Fred wrote earlier :
** It all depends what you, its members, want to make
of it. Goanet is an umbrella, and there's a lot of
space under that umbrella (regardless what some of
our critics keep complaining about).
Some interesting initiatives have come about from
Goanet (Internet node in Goa, computers project,
annual reunions, inspiring of many other Goa-related
mailing list, building up a whole new set of voices
from Goa and the diaspora, getting people together
etc). Now, it's up to everyone to take the idea
forward.
*** Resources seem to be available. So is the talent.
What's missing is the magic to bring everything
together. Maybe someone reading this will
have the vision and determination more than the rest
of us, to make something happen!
CAN WE WORK TOGETHER ?
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[Goanet]Amazing love story
Dear Friends, This is a beautiful story... a bit long but worth the read.. If no time to read, print it and read it when time permits. Thanks for your patience. Cynthia (Happy Weekend) -- On my wedding day, I carried my wife in my arms. The bridal car stopped in front of our one-room flat. My buddies insisted that I carry her out of the car in my arms. So I carried her into our home. She was then plump and shy. I was a strong and happy bridegroom. This was the scene of ten years ago. The following days were as simple as a cup of pure water, we had a kid, I went into business and tried to make more money. When the assets were steadily increasing, the affections between us seemed to drop. She was a civil servant. Every morning we left home together and got home almost at the same time. Our kid was studying in a boarding school. Our marriage life seemed to be enviably happy. But the calm life was more likely to be affected by unpredictable changes. Dew came into my life. It was a sunny day. I stood on a spacious balcony. Dew hugged me from behind. My heart once again was immersed in her stream of love. This was the apartment I bought for her. Dew said, you are the kind of man who best draws girl's eyeballs. Her words suddenly reminded me of my wife. When we just married, my wife said, Men like you, once successful, will be very attractive to girls. Thinking of this, I became somewhat hesitant. I knew I had betrayed my wife. But I could not help doing so. I moved Dew s hands aside and said, you go to select some furniture, O.K.? I've got something to do in the company. Obviously she was unhappy, because I had promised her to go and see with her. At the moment, the idea of divorce became clearer in my mind although it used to be something impossible to me. However, I found it rather difficult to tell my wife about it. No matter how mildly I mentioned it to her, she would be deeply hurt. Honestly,she was a good wife. Every evening she was busy preparing dinner. I was sitting in front of the TV. The dinner was ready soon. Then we watched TV together. Or, I was lounging before the computer, visualizing Dew's body. This was the means of my entertainment. One day I said to her in a slight joking way, suppose we divorce, what will you do? She stared at me for a few seconds without a word. Apparently she believed that divorce was something too far away from her. I could not t imagine how she would react once she got to know I was serious. When my wife went to my office, Dew had just stepped out. Almost all the staff looked at my wife with a sympathetic eye and tried to hide something while talking with her. She seemed to have got some hint. She gently smiled at my subordinates. But I read some hurt in her eyes. Once again, Dew said to me, He Ning, divorce her, O.K.? Then we live together. I nodded. I knew I could not hesitate any more. When my wife served the last dish, I held her hand. I have got something to tell you, I said. She sat down and ate quietly. Again I observed the hurt in her eyes. Suddenly I didn t know how to open my mouth. But I had to let her know what I was thinking. I want to divorce. I raised a serious topic calmly. She did not seem to be much annoyed by my words, instead she asked me softly, why? . I m serious. I avoided her question. This so-called answer turned her angry. She threw away the chopsticks and shouted at me, you are not a man! . At that night, we didn t talk to each other. She was weeping. I knew she wanted to find out that had happened to our marriage. But I could hardly give her a satisfactory answer, because my heart had gone to Dew. With a deep sense of guilt, I drafted a divorce agreement which stated that she could own our house, our car, and 30% stake of my company. She glanced at it and then tore it into pieces. I felt a pain in my heart. The woman who had been living ten years with me would become a stranger one day. But I could not take back what I had said. Finally she cried loudly in front of me, which was what I had expected to see. To me her cry was actually a kind of release. The idea of divorce which had obsessed me for several weeks seemed to be firmer and clearer. A late night, I came back home after entertaining my clients. I saw her writing something at the table. I fell asleep fast. When I woke up, I found she was still there. I turned over and was asleep again. She brought up her divorce conditions: she didn t want anything from me,but I was supposed to give her one month s time before divorce, and in the month s time we must live as normal life as possible. Her reason was simple: our son would finish his summer vacation a month later and she didn t want him to see our marriage was broken. She passed me the agreement she drafted, and then asked me, He Ning, do you still remember how I entered our bridal room on the wedding day? This question suddenly brought back all those wonderf
Re: [Goanet]Konkani Ringtone-update
Hi My cellphone number is 9422064895. Please send me the ringtone Moga zalem tem zaum... Thanks a lot. Richard Cabral - Original Message - From: JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: [Goanet]Konkani Ringtone-update > > Total requests so far 16 (including from Lino DADA) > > 12 were sent last night. > > Those already got.. > Please settle my bill asap. > > kindly draw cheque/Demand Draft for Rs.5 (Rupees five only) payable to joegoauk. > > If not 'recovery action' will be taken at your cost. > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > for Goa & NRI related info... > http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ > > For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) > http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday > snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com >
[Goanet]Re: All Goa Computer Teacher's Assoc.
Our Ref: GSRP/EM/LF/GOG/06/05 June 16, 2005 To: Mr. Luizinho Faleiro, Education Minister, Government of Goa, Secretariat, Porvorim - Penha de Franca, Goa. MOST IMMEDIATE Dear Mr. Faleiro, Subject: All Goa Computer Teacher's Association - AGCTA. At the outset, the undersigned, on behalf of the Goa Su-Raj Party congratulates you on being appointed as the Education and Industries Minister in the newly formed coalition government of Goa, expressly on the demise of the erstwhile repugnant coalition government led by the BJP, after the bye-elections to the five constituencies of Goa. We do hope and pray that these two very important ministries have found a leader in you, who will do the maximum justice where justice was not seen for a long time, rendering these two ministries decadent, to say the least. The agitation resorted to by the computer teachers of Goa has been a concern to this party, all the while, during their peaceful protests through chain-hunger-strikes, which have been ongoing for a long time. But the latest high-handedness meted out to them, first, by the Chief Minister of Goa Mr. Pratapsing Rane and then, by the Goa police is deplored in most certain terms and vociferously objected to by this party. Mr. Rane, the Chief Minister of Goa, must well know that the people Goa has cleared the Chief Minister's Official Residence of a virtual Hitler, and do not expect, nor will they tolerate any more Hitler's rule by proxy, having noted with gross dislike the way Mr. Rane has behaved himself, being a Congressman, and the leader of the Opposition, during the erstwhile BJP rule in Goa. Mr. Rane's remarks to the agitating teachers, when they approached his official residence are obnoxious, vile and most condescending. Mr. Rane must realize that he is occupying the post of the Chief Minister at the pleasure of the people. This Party is of the opinion that the teachers would not have resorted to the "Rasta Rokho" on June 14, if it was not for Mr. Rane's uncouth behaviour with them. Does Mr. Rane think that these teachers are unwanted babies that get stuffed into the garbage bins? For God's own sake, these are Goa's cream and Goa's welfare depends on their well being. This party believes that contract employment is the most vilest thing a government of the people can force on its working class. In the words of Mr. Manmohan Singh, the Prime Minister of India, there is nothing like 'Job Insecurity' that can do to the health of the body and mind of a person. And we at Goa Su-Raj Party believe that he is right on target for saying that. As the Education Minister, Sir, we know you are utmost concerned and fully aware of what you must do in this case. The world will not come to an end if the new contract tenders, for whatever reasons they have been entertained, are cancelled forthwith and a plan is drawn-up to re-instate these agitating computer teachers permanently, preferably in batches, giving due representation to their male-female numbers. Let the AGCTA be given the task to agree to who will be the first ones to be taken in, on priority and need basis. Needless to say that if you and/or your government do not improvise on this problem, you will be responsible for this ever widening and festering sore, which this party will wholeheartedly sympathize with, until better sense prevails. The Goa Su-Raj Party believes that the government of the people which lacks the impetus to work for the betterment of its people is no government at all. This party also believes that your coalition government will have to, in due hurry, solve your own internal problems of bickerings within the rank and file for self glorifications, so that it is free to look at the problems of the people. Thanking you, Yours faithfully, for Goa Su-Raj Party. Sd/- (Floriano C. Lobo) President. Copy to: AGCTA. Copy to: The Chief Minister of Goa. Copy to: Press.
[Goanet]The 1st GreenGoa Newsletter is Out!
Hello everybody at Goanet! The first GreenGoa newsletter is out. What is GreenGoa and this newsletter about? GreenGoa is an online forum open to anybody and everybody that care for Goa's environment. Here you can meet and talk, discuss and learn from each other and get closer in working towards the long term goal of keeping Goa Green, and Clean by recycling, fighting pollution, raising awareness and teaching others to help protect our environment. Believe me, even you can! Its quite simple actually! GreenGoa is another of my e-groups and has been in existence since August 2004, with a sizable population of 111 members. At the moment we are talking about dealing with household waste disposal. As for the newsletter, its a mini publication by GreenGoa that will come out roughly every three months. What does the newsletter contain? News, Articles, Pictures, comments from GreenGoans and ALL content is related to the Goan Environment! The GreenGoa newsletter is available in all three formats. PDF, Word Document and plaintext. Should you like to read the newsletter in any of the three formats, do write to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask for the version you wish for! I'll leave you with the editorial and contents page of the newsletter. Have a great day! Clinton.. GreenGoa Moderator * -> The GreenGoa Newsletter! <- Vol. 2005.01 * Thursday, June 16, 2005 I'm happy! The reason being that this newsletter has finally come out, after lots and lots of delays. I initially was working towards putting it out on 5th of June, which was World Environment Day, but then changed my mind. I didn't want GreenGoa to be another environmental gimmick. Now days, it seems that people remember the environment only once a year, and on that day, we have government servants pictures in huge advertisements asking us to save the environment, mining company executives posing for photographs of them planting a solitary sapling. The word 'environment' is splashed all over. Street Morchas by some, but then the day comes to an end. Come 6th June, all is forgotten. We in Goa have a serious Garbage management programme, and even though the newspapers go on and on about mounting garbage, the ministers promise one unrealistic scheme after the other, and we complain that the government isn't doing enough, solutions lie squarely in front of us! Staring at us in the face! But we must work ourselves, get our hands dirty, use the present facilities that are provided to us by the government and I'll show you, in the next few weeks, how you can manage you garbage. Till then, read though this first newsletter and let me get your positive and negative feedback! -Clinton.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- What's In This Edition! -- 1. 21 Tips to Conserving Energy At Home -by Sarfraz Hayat 2. Comments & Observations on the Draft of the National Environment Policy of India -by Averthanus D'Souza 3. Margao's Wholesale Fish Market Needs Urgent Attention -by Fermino Faleiro 4. Do You Feel The Chill Near Sangolda? Why Goa Needs to Re-plant Trees -by Paul Fernandes 5. Mining, Dust Pollution and a Protest from Bicholim -by Sebastian Rodrigues 6. In The News (Environmental News from the Local Papers) 7. Readers Write -- Join GreenGoa for free! send a blank e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet]Indigo a new Indian budget Airline?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4098906.stm Airbus wins $6bn order from India Fledgling Indian budget airline IndiGo has ordered 100 A320 jets from Airbus, the European planemaker said. Although Airbus did not reveal the agreed price, the catalogue value of the planes is $6bn (£3.29bn). IndiGo is not yet flying. Airbus said the new airline has "high-quality executives" and was sure to be "a successful new player". Airbus also received orders for 20 A320s from Brazil's TAM and a further 10 from Mexico's ABC Aerolineas. TAM also signed a non-binding commitment for 10 of the group's A350 planes which it hopes to launch later this year. But, Indian airlines have emerged as big buyers at this year's Paris Air Show placing orders worth roughly $12bn. India's strong economic growth has boosted the market for internal travel - both business and leisure - and the budget airline business model is catching on rapidly there. New battleground Industry analysts believe the India's aviation market is poised for 20% annual growth as private airlines multiply. Both Airbus and rival US planemaker Boeing have benefited from big Indian orders at the Paris Air Show. Boeing won an order from Jet Airways for at least 20 planes with a catalogue value of $2.8bn, made up of 737-800s and 777s. Kingfisher, another low-cost carrier backed by beer magnate Vijay Mallya, ordered 15 aircraft worth up to $3bn from Airbus. IndiGo is being backed by travel company InterGlobe Enterprises, and by entrepreneur Rakesh Gangwal, who was president and chief executive of US Airways until 2001. "IndiGo is the result of extensive analysis and planning by very experienced airline executives and we're convinced it will be a successful new player," said Airbus chief executive Noel Forgeard. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Centenary Brochure Unveiled
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[Goanet]Air Sahara to Fly to London.
http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/jun/16sahara.htm Air Sahara to fly UK from Sept June 16, 2005 11:20 IST Air Sahara on Thursday announced its plans to fly daily services between Delhi and London from September-October this year and operate two Boeing-777s on this route. Air Sahara CEO Rono J Dutta signed an agreement for dry-leasing two 777-200 ER (extended range) aircraft with US-based leasing company ILFC at the Paris Air Show on Wednesday. The lease is valid for eight years, an Air Sahara spokesperson told PTI in New Delhi. The two aircraft would have personal videos on every seat and will operate GE engines. Six sets of Indian and expatriate pilots will be operating these aircraft, she said. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Airbus A380 for Kingfisher; Goa to London?
http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/jun/16mallya.htm Kingfisher to buy five A380s BS Corporate Bureau in New Delhi | June 16, 2005 09:41 IST Indian carriers grabbed the limelight at the Paris air how for the second consecutive day on Wednesday with Vijay Mallya's Kingfisher Airlines placing firm orders for five Airbus A380s, the largest aircraft ever made. This is despite the fact that no Indian airport is equipped to receive this aircraft. Also, its price is yet to be disclosed. The company also ordered 10 other Airbus aircraft -- five A350-800 and A330-200 each -- in a deal totalling $3 billion. ATR, a sister company of Airbus, announced a $90 million deal with Air Deccan for spare parts and maintenance services for a new fleet of 30 ATR 72-500s for five years in India. On Tuesday, the second day of the air show, Indian carriers had placed orders, firm and options, for 40 aircraft with a total list price of over $8 billion. The Paris air show was largely expected to be dominated by Chinese carriers. At earlier editions of the show, European and American carriers used to be the main buyers. Kingfisher will use its A330s on regional routes, including flights to Europe, while the A350 and A380 are destined for longer non-stop flights, such as to the United States. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Goanet News Bytes * June 15, 2005 * Monsoons... and GMC alumni
][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] G o a n e t - N e w s B y t e s JUNE 15, 2005 DATELINE: GOA / d8 Founded in 1994 e88~88e e88~-_/~~~8e 888-~88e e88~~8e _d88__ by Herman 888 888 d888 i 88b 888 888 d888 88b 888 Carneiro "88_88" | e88~-888 888 888 __888 888 --- / Y888 ' C888 888 888 888 Y888, 888 Cb "88_-~ "88_-888 888 888 "88___/ "88_/ b Y8""8D http://www.goanet.org [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] In today's issue: Monsoons may be heavier, say officials... Congress-NCP cold war continues unsorted... GMC alumni meet, both in Goa and in the UK... Goa gets a new nursing college at Margao... School children in Bardez schools get mid-day 'meals' too. Review of a research journal from an unusual place, Quepem. o Monsoons to be heavier than last year, say Met officials in Goa.(NT) o NCP may ask Willy to quit Rane cabinet, but rules out withdrawing support. (PTI from New Delhi) o Goa regional meteorological centre to be upgraded to forecasting office.NT o Delay in monsoon onset won't affect paddy crop, says agri dept (NT) o Ambassador of Croatia Dino Debeljuh visited Goa. (NT) o Alumni of Goa Medical College and Escola Medico-Cirurgica de Goa invited to a meet on June 16 at 3 pm at GMC Bambolim, for the launch of the Alumni of GMC and EMCG. Dr R Wiseman Pinto, Dr Savio Rodrigues, Dr CP Das. o Kishore Naik elected new chairperson of the Ponda Municipal Council.(NT) o New consultant to prepare Margao's sewerage report. Rs 2 million spent earlier on Mecon goes waste. (H) o Electricity bill computerisation to get priority, says Digambar Kamat.(H) o Hi-tech cameras to scan traffic violations being worked out. (H) o Elephants on the prowl in Sanguem again. (H) o Workshop on crime prevention held in city. (H) o Subodh Kantak is back as Goa's advocate general. He replaces Mario Bruto da Costa, who was appointed AG during president's rule. (H) o Lathi-charge against computer teachers, after the teachers blocked the Patto bridge. (GT) o Baina, a year later: GT and Herald take a look at what's happening at Baina, one year after the demolition of the red-light area there. o Re-survey of land records likely to be completed by 2007. (GT) o UGDP condones Matanhy Saldanha after backing motion to oppose BJP's "communal politics". (GT) Nursing College: Victor Medical & Research Foundation launches a college of nursing at Margao. It will offer a four-year B.Sc Nursing degree course. Tel 272 Malbhat. St Anthony: The image of St Anthony would be taken in a procession, with the devotees chanting for the rain to come, to the sea or a nearby well. The lower part of the image would be dipped in the water and quite often a hard rainfall would follow, say elders. This age-old custom has slowly faded. On June 13 this year too, there was hardly any rain. Francis Rodrigues writes about a tradition the word over. (GT) Good news: Mid-day meals spread to more schools in Goa. This could help students study better, specially those who are poor or from the lower-middle-classes. And there are many in need in Goa, despite the excellent statistics on paper. (Goanet) - Deaths and obituaries - Poonam Pundalik Pilgaokar, in her early thirties, was bludgeoned to death at her residence at Chimulda, Revora in Bardez. She lived with her 11-year-old school-going daughter, who was shocked to find her mother lying in a pool of blood. Her husband Pundalik Pilgaonkar works at Sharjah at the United Arab Emirates. (NT) Another woman labourer was murdered at Porvorim, in the third such case under the Porvorim police station in three months. (H) MARGAO: Bela Fernandes of Mungul. Wife of Glorio. PARRA: Sylvestor Celestino Fernandes, of Arradi ex Taj staff. - Goa sports - o Cuncolim Union drubbed ICSC Paroda 4-0 to lift the Ambelim panchayat cup at Ambelim. (H) o Cuncolim Union won a slender 1-0 win over Adarsh Yuvak Sangh at Nerul grounds to enter the Nerul panchayat cup finals. (H) o Cross Boys of Carmona defeated Leela Taxi Association of Mabor 2-1 in a quarters match of the First Connien Memorial at Cavelossim(H) o Sangolda Lightening Thunders entered the semis of the Abranches Soccer at Verna Panchayat Grounds, defeating Agassiam SC by 4-0. (H) o Parish Youth Nuvem defeated Davorlim SC 5-4 via tie-breaker in the Frensa Su
Re: [Goanet]Is Zubin Mehta really a Goan?
Mario, Most boys of the early 50`s who attended the Jesuit school St> Mary`s (Mazagaon) in Mumbai definitely know him as an alumni of that school and a member of the Parsi community.. After his music career shot him to conductorships in Europe ..he became conductor of the famed Los Angeles Philharmonic Orchestra. Any Parsee will soon disabuse you fot hat idea that he`s a goan While many Parsees like other wealthy Punjabis or Sindhis may have bought property in the othe form of old goan ancestral homes and even classy new bungalows on the mandovi or other villagesi`m sure that recent acquisition of real-estate in any village qualifies you to be called a " true Goan " twiga. Quoting Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Carlos, > At the risk of starting a new urban legend, I have > heard that Zubin Mehta is already a bhatkar from > Sangolda (just kidding, folks). > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Mario, > > > > I heard Zubin Mehta also wants to be a Goan. What > > qualifications are reqd to be a Goan? > > > > Carlos > > > > -Original Message- > > >From: Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: goanet@goanet.org > > >Sent: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:50:35 -0700 (PDT) > > >Subject: Re: [Goanet]Engelbert Humperdinck - where > > is Santosh when we > > need him > > > > >Santosh, > > >Would you please confirm or debunk these urban > > >legends, please, before they get out of hand. Now > > >Englebert who does not even acknowledge he is an > > >Indian, as far as I know, and used to be an > > >Anglo-Indian from Chennai, has become a Goan from > > >Cuncolim. > > > > > > > > > > > >
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on the blink again.
I have today got bounced emails from Sancharnet.in email addresses. Poor Goenkars having to put up with all this and incredibly slow speeds as well. Today I had a cold call from an Indian BPO offering me Bulldog's ( Cable and wireless) incredible 8 MB Broadband. I already have 1.5 MB Broadband, supplied by fiber cable line, which also supplies my phone and T.V., which is more than ample for my requirements. What sort of Broadband speed is now available in Goa? -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Re: Home is where the heart is
Revisiting this debate again, I don't quite agree with the Goa-is-best argument (or, subtle suggestion). If this were true, the general perception of the Goan Catholic (particularly) wouldn't see such a yawning gap between what we proclaim and what we practice. We wouldn't have had so many people migrating all over the globe, and so many back home just waiting to go abroad -- whether by way of a Portuguese passport or whatever. Migration offers greener pastures. It depends on how one defines 'greener' though. On the other hand, I also accept that migration comes with a heavy price. As a returned-migrant at the age of two, one understood early the double-alienation of a migration. The first time when one is trying to cope in an alien and distant setting; and the second time round when one returns 'home' and realises the reality of the place one dreamt of as 'home' doesn't tally with the imagined picture. Of course, there are other aspects to this debate. Where you live and what you do also depends on your priorities in life. For a materially superior lifestyle, and the possibility to accomplish more, clearly there is currently only one option in the current global scenario at least: go West. But then, others might have different priorities. For me, staying on in Goa works (at this point of time at least). Being in a context one understands and feels some affinity to, also enables you to feel you're doing relevant work. It's a trade-off, but might work. For instance, I have spent days or weeks in big cities (Berlin, Stockholm, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur) and it's a bit scary to live as a digit, whose existance (or lack of it) hardly means anything to anyone else out there. Maybe staying on changes the situation; but it's not easy for all either. We should stop believing that the grass is greener on the other side; and instead make the most of wherever we're based. In today's world, it could be argued that the 'brain drain' of the past doesn't have as serious affects as it once did. You could contribute to Goa from wherever you are; the world is smaller. Like Alwyn and Lisa in Chorao, VM de Malar and others, you might actually decide to return back to Goa early. And everyone could be richer for your experience. Who knows what life has in store? Incidentally, isn't the title of this topic misleading? If we adopt a Goa-is-best approach, then shouldn't the title line read 'Home is where our ancestors roots are'? We need to acknowledge that our links with Goa are just the result of a series of historical (or genetic) accidents. If our ancestors had adopted a differing migration path (from Africa or wherever) would we still have been calling ourselves proud Goans? In any case, as one has argued here earlier, Goa is a melting pot of various peoples and genetic groups ... let's accept the differences, try to understand each other, and live in peace and tolerance for a positive tomorrow. .. Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490| http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.net ..
[Goanet]Casimir Effect
From: Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: [GoenchimXapotam] Re: Casimir Effect > > Dear Dr.Santosh, Sorry for the delay in replying, because I had no access to Internet since June 5. I was confused by being bombarded by Goenchim Xapotam... > > The amounting to nothing simply refers to the fact that the total > energy of the universe is zero. That is to say that there is equal > amounts of positive and negative energy in the universe at all times > (in the beginning, in the end and in between). I have simply expressed > this mathematical physical possibility in a dramatic way using > ordinary English language. *--Your answer is biased. It is not an answer to my question. You accuse me of quibbling with scholastic words. You are quibbling with your scientific jargon. I repeat that this is not creation, but fluctuation and change. The mirror phenomenon explains the working of the Universe, but not its origin "out of nothing". Scholastic Philosophy is not outdated in its first, self-evident principles, which are also being used by empirical science. But the question of the ultimate meaning of the Universe and the origin of everything, together with the time, cannot be explained by empirical Science. > Let me also reiterate that this is merely a plausible untested > hypothesis at the present time. My objective is simply to show that > there is a coherent theoretical scientific basis for the origin of our > universe by spontaneous creation ex-nihilo. *--Let us wait till it becomes tested. Theory is a model. We can use different models... >>...all I am trying to do here is to show how spontaneous creation of > the universe is a plausible and parsimonious scenario according to > modern physics. Whether this scenario is true or not in all its > details will have to await verification by objective evidence. > However, some elements of the scenario, such as vacuum energy (Casimir > Effect) have already been confirmed by such evidence. > *--Creation of the Universe cannot be proved empirically... Ivo da C.Souza
Re: [Goanet]Willie, a casteist? What BULL----!
Dear Mr da Costa, I have refrained from replying you so far because a lot of views were coming in on the issue in hand. Since the flow has now abated, please allow me to respond you. From: "cornel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: Subject: Re: [Goanet]Willie, a casteist? What BULL! Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:39:06 +0100 Dear Mr Alfred de Tavares, I reckon you were awake, but only partially so, when you responded to my post on Dr. Willie de Souza! Your reckoning, I assure you, is very much flawed. When I deal with issues i consider serious I never let somniloquence tarnish my eloquence. And honour, family honour, for me, is a very serious matter, indeed. I say this because you failed to: a) respond to my earlier email to you, specifically asking for an explanation for referring to the anti-casteists as "fighting like buffaloes." There is a saying in Konkni: Redd'o padd'o zoggotta, xadlar kao. The caste arguments pursued by the "intellectuals" in these forums far too often ignore existing social realities in favour of quixotic remedies. These realities have existed, however degeneratingly, far too long to be deleted with the pressing of an "intellectual" button. There is no doubt they are demeaningly anachronistic and have to be fiercely combated. But, at root. Not through whimsy academic dessertations. b) note that I did not, repeat not, refer to Dr. Willie as a casteist. What I had said was that he believed in caste. One would have to be a 1000 carat moron to refute the existance of caste in all it magnificent sordidness! Please check the post. This fact about Dr. Willie's known belief was available in written form a little while ago. Thus, I was merely reiterating this specific point in my email to Jose. I happened to find it useful for an explanation regarding why I felt Dr. Willie may not have opted to leave Goa. Perhaps, my explanatory view was too intellectually demanding for you and why you had to read into my post something that was simply not there. Please allow me to disabuse you: I am not, ever, intimidated by intellectual antics. My saturation with copiously grey-celled company since my crib-age has inured me to professed intellect. Rather than finding it "demanding" I find such professions embarrassingly demeaning. I could never countenance intellectual narcissisim. The values inculcated into us, brahmanically or jesuitically, to hide our lights under an adequate bushel guide me in this area and benignly save me from making a pompous ass of myself c) that the good doctor is perfectly capable of replying to me if he is in the least bit unhappy about my comment and view. Oh, yes! The man is not yet a fruit cake. Is quite in control of his faculties, pretty stupendous they. The matter that baffles you is a question of gentlemanliness and accrued attributes. To stand by a friend. Especially so when calumny is unwarrantedly directed at him. He would unstintedly do as much, and more, if I were at the receiving end of the bilge. Practical, as against windmill, chivalry has not yet totally abandoned Goa. Finally, please note that I think it is unhelpful to ask someone else to ask me something on your behalf. Your known command of the English language should definitely not deter you from responding directly to me via Goanet. I fail to surmise from wherein you have fetched the damnable thought of I ever seeking extraneous aid to fight my battles. God forfend. Belay the thought forwith. And I promise you that I will not bite your head off! My "head" is copyrighted. If you wish to add to your "intellect" please apply elsewhere. I am sorry if you feel that I am rocking the boat on the issue of caste among the Catholic Goans. However, I believe that somebody has to do it and that it is time this happened fearlessly and with tenacity. If this makes you uncomfortable, so be it! Rock away...rock away... I hardly grudge you that felicity! and, I hasten to add that I hardly grudge you the tenacity in your endeavours. None other than limpets manifest greater steadfast tenacity. They, poor "fearless" things only end up in destroying the hulls they so tenaciously addhere to. And...the ship ... she founders ever so helplessly. Yours, with ever subdued intellect, Alfred Francisco Antonio Luis de Vasconcelos Cunha e Tavares, An unabashed brahmin determinedly fighting the detriments of casteism in our society. Stockholm, Sweden 0046 8 759 6214; 0046 70 295 4091 Regards, Cornel - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Willie, a casteist? What BULL! >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet]Willie, a casteist? What BULL! Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 03:24:43 +0530 Dear Alfred, Perhaps you meant to say that Dr. Willy might have many faults, but casteism is definitely
[Goanet]Free Masons in Vatican
Dear (Mogal) Goencars, On 14 June an article appeared in which he said that he was doing a research on Catholicism and came across infiltration of Masons in the Vatican. I would like to point out that Masons in the Vatican exists and is rife as of today. They are racist therefore there is no chance of an Asian or African becoming a Pope. Also Indian Cardinals do not know what Free Masonry is any way, if they do they do not know what the implications are. Free Masons killed Pope John Paul I, they poisoned him and cremated his body to hide DNA evidence. First ever Pope to be cremated in the history of the Vatican Pomposity. People on this net say there is too much of un-Christian on anti-Christian topic going on. Catholic motto is: Ignorance is bliss. but an Educated motto is: Ignorance is no excuse. Have you heard of Roberto Calvi? - No? Well go to google dot com and type "god's banker" or "vatican's banker" or "vatican's hanged banker". This is just what is in the public domain, I have not made it up. If it is there you should know. Vatican said he hanged himself under the Black Friers bridge in London. It has been confirmed that he was murdered by the Free Masons.(Tell tale signs). Free Mason and Muslim faith have one thing in common, ABONDON our faith AND be KILLED. Now, the question arises 'how much of your Sunday Collection goes to the Free Masons?'. Do the Indian Cardinals know? Jesus toppled tables and chairs in the Temple, we all know that. But why? Because they were dealing with foreign currency, Visa and American Card? (sort of - yes). If he came down today will be be doing the same at the Vatican? Vatican have their own Currency, postage stamps, Army etc. Or, would Jesus say COOL! Have you heard about the Sex scandal within the Vatican Army? Have you heard about the staff at the vatican being happy for Benedict, because their jobs are now safe, and secondly an insider has been promoted to the top job. Well - Ignorance is Bliss. (what you don't know does not hurt). Forget about Fr Agnelo and Pdr. Jose Vaz, they are not the favourite of the Free Masons, AND your Sunday Collection does not reach them, and if it does, it is not enough to - KANAN GALINK. I think I have said enough for now, hope I have not offended you too much. do not take this as un-Christian or anti -Chatholic, just pointing out the facts. Knowledge is Power. Sincerely, Gwen Precila White. _ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger 7.0 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk
Re: [Goanet] Finally, some rational dialog on America
--- Marlon Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Likewise, your bunching of groups into two political > categories, viz, liberals and conservatives is > overly simplistic. There are many of us who would > like to see social security, welfare, medicaid and > other excuses for excessive government spending > abolished. We would like to see unfettered free trade > and an end of immigration quotas to allow the import > of unlimited labor from abroad to allow industry to > reduce its labor costs and to use the best the world > has to offer. Coversely, we do not want a big, > intrusive government imposing its moral values on us > or telling us how to behave or think. > > While the conservative crowd has generally been pro > business (although this is not a hard and fast rule, > specially wrt open immigration), it has an > increasing component of the intolerant religious > right. > Mario opines: Marlon, you have listed a bunch of philosophically pure ideas from "many of us", all of which you will find in the libertarian end of the "conservative" agenda and nowhere in the "liberal" agenda. Therefore, while you are absolutely right that there are many shades of political philosophy, it essentially boils down to the 2 broad categories for the practical purposes of getting elected, because no credible and viable political party exists to represent each shade. The tight balancing act of getting elected, without which nothing can be accomplished, is what dictates the devils that lie in the details. Someone once said that watching a democracy in action is like watching sausage being made. Winston Churchill once said, "Democracy is a terrible form of government, except for all the other forms of government out there." Regarding immigration, I support a "liberal" guest worker program for those that can and want to work here, who can later go back home or apply for immigration if they wish, plus much tighter border security. This is also supported by the 3 most popular conservative opinion makers, Limbaugh, Hannity and O'Reilly, but the politicians are dragging their feet, mainly out of fear of the Hispanic lobby, which seems to support total immigration anarchy. Right now the bad guys may be strolling across both big borders along with the good guys every day of the week. The problem for this issue as well as unfettered free trade, which I also support as beneficial to most Americans, is that both viable parties have begun to depend on small shifts in the immigration and labor lobbies to get elected, and so end up pandering to them. Regarding the intrusiveness of Uncle Sam, the door gets pushed open for the politicians when citizens demand involvement by the government in the economic sphere, and then it depends on who is in power and whose ox is getting gored. One is left to choose, always on balance, which side's intrusiveness one can live with. The intolerant secular left can be just as intrusive as the intolerant religious right, depending on one's personal point-of-view, and it is up to the rest to keep both of them in control. I think the checks and balances built into the US model of government have done a good job so far, with very few exceptions.
Re:[Goanet] Some pure baloney in American revisionist history
Santosh, I don't have any more facts than you do on the settlement of North America. I'm sure you know that opinions are not just determined by facts, but by the weight one puts on each fact and on one's context and perspective. So, if you believe that historians, European or otherwise, are any more objective than anyone else, well, good luck. Please feel free to believe whatever you choose to.
Re: [Goanet] In America, the crows stick to the garbage
Marlon Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Peter, The logs also reveal that Chris Vaz made some rather racist comments on the Arab community in Michigan. I'm sure you dont agree with those comments of his! Marlon, If my memory serves me correctly, Chris used the term "ilk" in what seemed like a pejorative use of the word. He could have just as easily substituted another word or phrase (such as "the Arab comunity in Michigan" or whatever) to make his point without giving Tariq or anybody else an opportunity to take offense. He seemed to be making a generalisation, and generalisations as a rule are based on common reality. I do not use the word "racist" lightly and would not call Chris Vaz a racist for his remarks. Many people on this forum object more to the messenger than the message and will allow deliberately twisted logic to attack the messenger when they have no real counter argument. When I mentioned Chris Vaz, it was in the context of Cornel's allegation that Mario doesn't agree with anybody else on the forum. Likewise, your bunching of groups into two political categories, viz, liberals and conservatives is overly simplistic. There are many of us who would like to see social security, welfare, medicaid and other excuses for excessive government spending abolished. We would like to see unfettered free trade and an end of immigration quotas to allow the import of unlimited labor from abroad to allow industry to reduce its labor costs and to use the best the world has to offer. Coversely, we do not want a big, intrusive government imposing its moral values on us or telling us how to behave or think. Marlon, you are absolutely correct in this. I have, in fact, simplified the issue. When I was talking about conservatives I was thinking of "hawks" and cultural/social conservatives, I should have specified. While the conservative crowd has generally been pro business (although this is not a hard and fast rule, specially wrt open immigration), it has an increasing component of the intolerant religious right. I am disinclined to associate immigration *policy* with business policy. I am very pro-immigrant and think that President Bush's proposals are about the most clever, decent, compromise on the subject. It illustrates a respect for the intent of the law while making a slight compromise on the letter of the law. Conservatives are often divided on the subject of imigration. You will find folks like Tamar Jacoby writing in favour of the Bush plan on the pages of the Wall Street Journal, and other like Michelle Malkin writing on Townhall.com in favour of coming down hard on illegal residents. There is more debate among conservatives than most people are willing to admit. Your remark about the "intolerant religious right" (IRR) is entirely misplaced. Please spend some time with people whom you believe are part of this religious right. Perhaps you are associating Christian Nation hate groups and the KKK with the religious right? Let me tell you something: I live in deeply conservative country. The city I live in has several mega-churches, including the third largest church in the USA. There is a church on almost every corner. It is what most opinionated social and political liberals might describe as a bastion of right wing fundamentalist Christians (on a good day) or the IRR. There's another side to this city and it's more rural neighbourhoods, though: it has a large Klan presence and on at least one occasion I have had some of that hate directed at me. In fact, the assistant Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan in America lives about three miles from my home. You might think, therefore, that all this makes it a hotbed of religious intolerance. But this isn't the case, it most definitely is not. This is the friendliest town that I've lived in, I love it here. I attend an evangelical church with about 350 people you'd probably label as being part of the IRR--and I happen to be the only non-white adult there--but I've never been in a friendlier church. My kids are among the most loved by parents and other kids. It is comfortable, even for people whom you might think are perfect targets for intolerance. People outside of churches are also very friendly. My hunch is that you have heard that term used liberally in the media and seriously believe that a large voting bloc of intolerant people do exist. The media are frequently disconnected from reality, which you probably know. I heard of a case where a fellow asked a roomful of about 30 journalists whether any of them personally knew somebody who was homosexual, to which everybody raised their hands. He then asked if anybody personally knew an evangelical Christian, to which three of the journalists present raised their hands. So there you have it, they're thoroughly acquainted with a tiny minority of the population and completely disc
Re:[Goanet] In America, a balanced perspective on debt
--- Marlon Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Personally, I dont give a hoot that people in Iraq > may have been suffering under Saddam's rule, just I > do not really care about the the genocide in Sudan > or the fact that women are being raped over there. > This is specially true when it comes to the bankrupt > government spending my tax money on this. > Mario opines: I'm sorry to hear that it's all about you, Marlon. What's the old adage, "All it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing." BTW, where did you get the idea that the US government is bankrupt? Debt, even huge debt, does not equal bankruptcy, without considering assets. Click on the following links to see a reasoned analysis on the subject: http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050301facomment84201/david-h-levey-stuart-s-brown/the-overstretch-myth.html Summary of the article above: The United States' current account deficit and foreign debt are not dire threats to its global position, as would-be Cassandras warn. U.S. power is firmly grounded on economic superiority and financial stability that will not end soon. http://www.house.gov/budget/msrslide4bgt071703.pdf Comments on the chart above: The US deficit as a percentage of GDP is lower than it was during the Reagan years, when government revenues doubled during his administration, inflation dropped from the mid-teens to the mid-single digits and interest rate dropped from the 20% range to the 8% range. Mario continues: In my never-humble opinion, worrying about the US deficit without considering the fundamental strength of the US economic system relative the the rest of the world, is like worrying that Donald Trump is in financial jeopardy because he had to restructure some of his liabilities recently. The reason we are not in dire straits, Marlon, in my opinion, is that foreign investors see few safe alternatives to invest their surplus funds than right here in the good ole USA. The USA has from day one benefitted from other people's brains and other people's money, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
Re: [Goanet]Subject: Re: Can we dump the legend, and keep the message
--- sandeep heble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the point Dr. Helekar is making is quite > clear: why should an anecdote, which can tend to be > inspiring by itself, be exaggerated and fabricated > and then be presented as fact? Can we not call a > legend a legend, a tale a tale, a myth a myth and a > true story a true story? Why is there a need then > to resort to falsehoods? > Mario replies: Hey, Sandeep, calm down, man. I did not disagree with what Santosh said. However, all I asked was for the baby to not be thrown out with the dirty bathwater, if at all possible. And most child psychologists will tell you that the "falsehoods" we tell our children growing up, like the Santa Claus and Easter Bunny "urban legends", are actually good for their development, or at least not harmful. During the AIDS-infected needles fiasco, the purists were all bent out of shape over the hoax, to the point of enunciating a hoax of their own that I was defending the original hoax which was almost immediately exposed by George Pinto, which I never did as the archives will show. If they hadn't been so self-righteous they would have known that I did not perpetuate the original hoax, and would have had no reason to oppose the common-sense suggestion I continued to make that people should watch where they sit in a public place, because the fact that the probability of infection from such needles is "low", this does not mean the possibility is "no, and the consequences and lengthy testing are horrendous, even if it turns out there is no infection.
Re: [Goanet]Amazing love story
On 16/06/05, Cynthia Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > This is a beautiful story... a bit long but worth the read.. When I passed the floral shop on the way, I ordered a bouquet for my wife which was her favorite. The salesgirl asked me to write the greeting words on the card. I smiled and wrote, I ll carry you out every morning until we are old. Comment: Did Cecil get the biz? Was it a wonderful bouquet? -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Malaria, Africa ... and Goa
United Nations Radio in New York is talking about malaria and Africa's attempt to fight the disease. There's some good news from there, and apparently there are chances of attaining some targets under the Roll-Back Malaria Programme. One might be wrong, but in Goa, the issue of malaria seems to have gone off the radar of public concern. Even the enthusiasm that was visible in the early and mid 'nineties seems to have vanished. Can we afford to be complacent over this? FN BTW June 16 is the day of the African Child. Large numbers die of malaria each year, and many get orphaned by AIDS. .. Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490| http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.net ..
Re: [Goanet] Third-party innuendo
From: Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Third-party innuendo Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:20:04 -0700 (PDT) First of all, an anti-American Goan trying to insult me in such puerile fashion is like being called ugly by a frog. Frogs, personification of ugliness, Mario? You sorely disappoint me. I love the things and never hesitate to kiss them without harbouring an ulterior motive of hoping/expecting them to metamorphose as a royal boy or girl. I eat them too, with a relish that easily belie aesthetic prejudice. And... pray ponder how you will hurt the poor frenchies with your prejudice. Alfred _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Acres of Diamonds
*Santosh Helekar asked: * Peter, Do you think there is any harm in pointing out that this "inspiring" story is an urban legend? Do you think we should let people forward fake chain letters to public forums without being corrected? Santosh, The 57-cents story truly warms the cockles of my heart. You didn't harm anybody by pointing out the errors, and neither did Cynthia's letter harm anybody. I'm sorry that you wasted much emotion in doing so. Peter
Re: [Goanet]Indigo a new Indian budget Airline?
This is absolutely nuts. Are we seeing another dot com like craze before a bust? I cannot imagine India's current or proposed aviation infrastructure will be able to handle such a rapid rise in aircraft load. As for the person leading Indigo, is it not the same person who was blamed for and booted out of US Airways for leading it to the ground? Airbus seems to be getting into a lot of questionable deals with a lot of airlines in India and abroad that dont yet exist or have questionable underlying financials. Marlon --- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4098906.stm > > Airbus wins $6bn order from India > > > Fledgling Indian budget airline IndiGo has ordered > 100 A320 jets from > Airbus, the European planemaker said. > Although Airbus did not reveal the agreed price, the > catalogue value > of the planes is $6bn (£3.29bn). > IndiGo is not yet flying. Airbus said the new > airline has > "high-quality executives" and was sure to be "a > successful new > player".
[Goanet]In America, the crows stick to the garbage
/Marlon Menezes writes:/// Personally, I dont give a hoot that people in Iraq may have been suffering under Saddam's rule, just I do not really care about the the genocide in Sudan or the fact that women are being raped over there. [deletia] Evil is all relative. I am sure there are many of us (me included) who would not hesitate to legally work with the Saddam regime if we could profit from it. [deletia] Marlon, I really wish I didn't know this about you. Peter
Re: [Goanet] Can we dump the legend, and keep the message
Mario Goveia wrote: Santosh, >would it be possible for you to use your impressive >ability to separate fact from fiction to not just >debunk urban legends that may conclude with a >socially redeeming message or suggestion, but to find >for us alternative truthful anecdotes that may support >the same message, realizing that this may not be >possible in each and every case. sandeep heble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I think the point Dr. Helekar is making is quite >clear: why should an anecdote, which can tend to be >inspiring by itself, be exaggerated and fabricated >and then be presented as fact? > Hi Sandeep, Thanks for this, and your earlier endorsement of my position. Let me clarify why I choose to debunk the urban legends that are forwarded to this mailing list. I do not read every junk email or mailing list post that I receive in my email trash box (Yes, I have made sure these emails are automatically directed to my trash folder). Whenever I happen to skim through any of these emails, I put them through my home-made Morombim Filter and also through an Urban Legend Filter. If my filters tell me that these emails contain crackpot material or fabrications, I just send in a short response debunking them, simply out a humble sense of duty towards by fellow "evolutures". I have no interest or desire to post copied and pasted, or plagiarized material on Goanet, even if it is factual and inspiring. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet]Casimir Effect
--- "Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >*--Your answer is biased. It is not an answer to my >question. > Fr. Ivo, What is your question? > >I repeat that this is not creation, but fluctuation >and change. > Why does a fluctuation or change from zero matter, zero energy and zero space/time to positive and negative energy, and finite space/time, not amount to spontaneous creation of something from nothing? > >The mirror phenomenon explains the working of the >Universe, but not its origin "out of nothing". > Why? What justifies such a mere assertion? > >Scholastic Philosophy is not outdated in its first, >self-evident principles, which are also being used by >empirical science. > Scholastic philosophy is a rediscovery and revision of Aristotlean philosophy by Christian theologians of the Middle Ages. What principles that are unique to this philosophy, are used by modern science? > >But the question of the ultimate meaning of >the Universe and the origin of everything, together >with the time, cannot be explained by empirical >Science. > Why? What facts and rationale convince you that you are right regarding this mere assertion? > >*--Let us wait till it becomes tested. Theory is >a model. We can use different models... > Are you willing to change your mind about your theological beliefs if empirical tests showed that something might in fact have emerged from nothing spontaneously? Or are you going to redefine "nothing", or move the goal post further in some other way? > >*--Creation of the Universe cannot be proved >empirically... > Why? What justifies such a mere assertion? Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet]Re: Home is where the heart is
"Frederick Noronha (FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Incidentally, isn't the title of this topic misleading? If we adopt a Goa-is-best approach, then shouldn't the title line read 'Home is where our ancestors roots are'? > Mario replies: Fred, you were doing fine until you decided to go a step too far. The answer to your question about the title being misleading is, "No, it isn't". How does the sentiment, by itself, say that "Goa is best"? All it says is that the person expressing the sentiment has his or her heart in Goa. I commend those who know where their heart is, regardless of where that is, and are comfortable with their sentiment.
Re: [Goanet]Why can't Zubin Mehta be a "Goan"?
Twiga, Are you really saying that people who don't have Goan ancestry will never be "Goans", even if they emigrate to Goa and own property there? I thought it was only "colored" immigrants to traditional western countries who had this chronic complaint that they would always be considered "outsiders" no matter how long they lived there. Are native Goans now becoming xenophobic? Perish the thought. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While many Parsees like other wealthy > Punjabis or Sindhis may have > bought property in the othe form of old goan > ancestral homes and even > classy new bungalows on the mandovi or other > villagesi`m not sure > that recent acquisition of real-estate in any > village qualifies you to > be called a " true Goan " > > twiga. > > > > > > > > > Quoting Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Carlos, > > At the risk of starting a new urban legend, I have > > heard that Zubin Mehta is already a bhatkar from > > Sangolda (just kidding, folks). > > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Mario, > > > > > > I heard Zubin Mehta also wants to be a Goan. > What > > > qualifications are reqd to be a Goan? > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > >From: Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: goanet@goanet.org > > > >Sent: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:50:35 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Subject: Re: [Goanet]Engelbert Humperdinck - > where > > > is Santosh when we > > > need him > > > > > > >Santosh, > > > >Would you please confirm or debunk these urban > > > >legends, please, before they get out of hand. > Now > > > >Englebert who does not even acknowledge he is > an > > > >Indian, as far as I know, and used to be an > > > >Anglo-Indian from Chennai, has become a Goan > from > > > >Cuncolim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [Goanet]Ghazals... on NPR
Radio Macau has already played Concani Music in its Portuguese section. Unfortunately we have very limited talent. Who can take over from Lorna? B. Colaco ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: *** Goanet Reader -- Goan society, its future direction...
First off all we have got into a basket of rotten eggs since 61. Can we get out of it? Many Goans do not want to accept the truth! B. Colaco > > You have identified five mega problems -- > environmental degradation, > unscrupulous politicians, inward migration, > deterioration in education and > drug abuse. Does everybody agree on these five or > are there others which > should also be included? Once we have a master list > we have to prioritise > them and then figure out cause-effect relationships > (including linkages) and > comprehensive action plans for each. Anybody want to > kick things off? > > > > ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Is Zubin Mehta really a Goan?
Zubin then went on to study at St.Xaviers College in Bombay, where he dropped out after the first year. His dad's goal for him was med-school, his public excuse was he disdained dissecting frogs, but it is known that he clashed with a Spanish Jesuit on staff, and has since turned down invitations to visit and offers of citations. St. Marys has more humble origins: an orphanage for the children of Irish sodiers. Mrs. Nesbitt(Nesbitt Road! ), who paid for the structures, did not want them raised in the Anglican Church. eric. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Mario, > Most boys of the early 50`s who attended the > Jesuit school St> Mary`s > (Mazagaon) in Mumbai definitely know him as an > alumni of that school and a > member of the Parsi community.. After his music > career shot him to > conductorships in Europe ..he became conductor > of the famed Los > Angeles Philharmonic Orchestra. Any Parsee will > soon disabuse you fot hat > idea that he`s a goan >While many Parsees like other wealthy > Punjabis or Sindhis may have > bought property in the othe form of old goan > ancestral homes and even > classy new bungalows on the mandovi or other > villagesi`m sure > that recent acquisition of real-estate in any > village qualifies you to > be called a " true Goan " > > twiga. > > > > > > > > > Quoting Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Carlos, > > At the risk of starting a new urban legend, I have > > heard that Zubin Mehta is already a bhatkar from > > Sangolda (just kidding, folks). > > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Mario, > > > > > > I heard Zubin Mehta also wants to be a Goan. > What > > > qualifications are reqd to be a Goan? > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > >From: Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: goanet@goanet.org > > > >Sent: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:50:35 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Subject: Re: [Goanet]Engelbert Humperdinck - > where > > > is Santosh when we > > > need him > > > > > > >Santosh, > > > >Would you please confirm or debunk these urban > > > >legends, please, before they get out of hand. > Now > > > >Englebert who does not even acknowledge he is > an > > > >Indian, as far as I know, and used to be an > > > >Anglo-Indian from Chennai, has become a Goan > from > > > >Cuncolim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Willy without portfolio ??
Avelino, What Willy said about Congress may be right. Especially true, when the president of Goa Congress and CM are both non-catholics. Why did Congress not select a Catholic for one of these positions? Are Catholic votes taken for granted by Congress? It sure seems like. It appears to me, it is OK if Congress discriminates against Catholics, but it is not OK if BJP does it. Lets be fair and measure both these parites with the same yardstick. If Parrikar supports Willy for CM, then we can get the best of both worlds. The history shows that they were the best CM's of Goa. Regards, Carlos -Original Message- From: D'Souza, Avelino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:00:11 +0300 Subject: RE: [Goanet]Willy without portfolio ?? It seems, I may be wrong, that you have not followed what Willy said about Congress being more communal than BJP. In other words, BJP wants Willy to be CM by supporting NCP. By doing so, BJP will have a say in the day to day functioning of the government which is secondary to Parrikar's plan. The primary focus, as far as Parrikar is concerned, is to starve the BJP traitors, the infamous five, by keeping them away from juicy portfolios. Willy will behave like "a good one" in fresh saffron robes. Avelino Bastora/Kuwait ___ Cip Fernandes wrote: Carlos, << Willy will be the next CM of Goa and he will be a good one >> Could you please justify your statement with true premises? Your statement appears to be based either on assumptions well known to you or logical inconsistency. Further, I will appreciate your description of so-called "a good one". Personally, I do not have any dispute with either Carlos or Dr. Willy - my dispute is with Carlos' statement. Just curious! Cip ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 16 June 2005 01:00 Vivian, Just watch. Willy will be the next CM of Goa and he will be a good one. Carlos Vivian D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Maybe now that he has hit bottom, he will re-infvent himself and become a full-fledged Congressmen, or if spurned will then become a full fledged saffronite ? It is obvious that this person is not committed to any ideology or principles. Chameleons ! Lets see what unfolds in the next few days or hours.
[Goanet]THINK TANK: THE CHALLENGE
[Goanet Newsbytes, June 14] This works out to a healthy average of 50 posts per day. If a significant number of them have to be "think tank" type (i.e. future oriented) then we need about 8 posts daily which are about (or applicable to) Goa in a broad gauged fundamental sense. If half of these can be taken as given that leaves us with a gap of about 3 or 4 per day which needs to be bridged. Its as simple as that - and (more likely) as 'tough' as that! How many goanetters are there who are "obsessed" about shedding light on Goa's fundamental problems? Note that defining a problem correctly may be half the battle won.
Re: [Goanet] Acres of Diamonds
--- Peter D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >You didn't harm anybody by pointing out the errors, >and neither did Cynthia's letter harm anybody. I'm >sorry that you wasted much emotion in doing so. > Peter, I think you are confused with regard to your disposition towards my exposure of Cynthia's recycled urban legend, on two accounts: 1. On the one hand you claim that my pointing out of the errors do not harm anybody, and on the other hand you also claim that Cynthia's letter did not harm anybody, despite containing those errors, which by the way, constituted almost three-quarters of that copied and pasted material, in the form of exaggerations, distortions and fabrications. >From my standpoint, perpetuation of falsehoods under any guise causes grave harm to society, and a gratuitous defense of it adds insult to injury. At the very least, it tells people that it is OK to plagiarize and propagate half-truths and lies, as long as they are packaged in a sentimental, inspiring, or politically correct message, or one that conforms to their preferred ideology or religion. 2. You fail to see the simple fact that stating that I did no harm in pointing out the errors, is at odds with your claim that I wasted much emotion in doing so. I don't think you can read my emotions, if for nothing else then for the well-recognized difficulty of doing so across the gaping electronic void of cyberspace. The irony of it is that if you had not tried to be gratuitously and pointlessly defensive about this urban legend, from a habitual and exclusive purveyor of such myths, the matter would have ended, as far as I am concerned, with my rather bland and clearly unemotional first response on this thread. So I ask you, why did you invest your time (not emotion, because I cannot tell) into this? Was it worth it? Or was it a waste of your time? Are you open-minded enough to recognize that you are wrong about defending urban legends, even inspiring religious ones? Cheers, Santosh
