[Goanet]ROSARY FERNS NEW DRAMA.
ROSARY FERNS NEW DRAMA. Renowned Goan stage artiste, singer and playwright Rosary Ferns who is the author of writing and staging of highest number of dramas amongst the Goan expatriates artistes will stage his 19th Konkani Drama in Kuwait. The drama titled  Bhurgim Mai-Paichem Sukh written and directed by Rosary Ferns will be staged on 12th August this year at Hawally A/C Hall, Opp. Mubarakiya Hospital, starting at 4.00 p.m. This is a new drama and maiden show will be in Kuwait as most of his earlier dramas. The visiting artistes coming from Goa to participate in this drama are ace comedians Prince Jacob, comedy supremo Humbert, Pearl of Konkani Stage Annie Quadros and Tragedy Queen Antonette de Calangute. The topmost local artistes are Querobina Carvalho, Marcus Vaz, Sylvester Vaz, Laurente Pereira, Sanny de Quepem, Bab Agnelo, Xavier Furtado, Lawry M., Manuel de Santa Cruz, Conchita Cardoso, Adrian, Michael DÂSilva, Martha and others. Music by Denise, Philip, Faustin and troupe. All lovers of Konkani dramas should not miss this opportunity of seeing this show since the story is nicely woven with very important issue of current development in our society and family life while the side songs will surely mesmerize the audience by listening to beautiful solos, duos, duets, trios and quartels. Everyone will surely enjoy the fabulous feast of songs. A. Veronicaf Fernandes, Kuwait. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet] George Pinto's patently faux story .....
Joe Vaz is maliciously mischaracterizing my posts in response to which he plagiarized the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia and Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, by calling them "gruesome attacks" or "vociferous attacks" on "Christian beliefs". Please see the following links to all my posts on miracles in the context of which he committed his act of plagiarism: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goanet/message/17751 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goanet/message/17791 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goanet/message/17826 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goanet/message/17879 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goanet/message/17880 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goanet/message/17910 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goanet/message/17915 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goanet/message/17922 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goanet/message/17928 If you read the above posts from the 2001 archives, you will see that nowhere have I mentioned any "games" or "tricks". What he is referring to, and deliberating predating, fudging, distorting and mischaracterizing is what I said in the following post, posted almost a year later, in 2002: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goanet/message/21833 Please see the limited context, in which I referred to these miracles as "games", not "tricks", as he falsely and maliciously states. Please also see the following upthread links to understand the full context of this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goanet/message/21818 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goanet/message/21822 I stand by my contention that these and other miracles, as well as miracles of any other religion, are NOT historical facts. I would not call them "games" outside the lighter context of the above-referenced post of mine, but I have no reason to believe that such supernatural events are real. I would also like to state that Joe Vaz is clearly lying when he says that he "included references where available" in his plagiarized posts on miracles in 2001. If you read those posts, it is plainly obvious that he did no such thing. Those three posts of his were entirely plagiarized long excerpts from the above-mentioned encyclopedias, and he deceptively avoided telling us that. Cheers, Santosh > >FYI, it was one of those incidents when Christian >beliefs were vociferously attacked on Goanet, with >reference to miracles performed by Christ which were >being termed (by a Goanetter) -- as some games and >tricks -- and not real occurrences as are historically >recorded. > >Hence, I had to do research from historical archives >to refute his charge, and included references where >available. > > > He gladly let those gruesome attacks by his friend >go bye, without a word. >
Re: [Goanet]Trustworthy surnames
--- eric pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stop, Cecil, not even in jest, we should not pick on > dear Veronica over pickled english - his is the real > thing - Frisian, the Dutch coastal dialect that > floated over the Channel to Britain. Near identical > to english, its spoken by a quarter of a million > people: the link to Veronica - he was raised in Goa > on Frisian Girl condensed milk, shipped in during > his 'decades of nostalgia'. For those who remember > St.Pauli Girl beer - it is the name of Bremen's red > light district! eric. > Mario replies: "His"? "Veronica" is a "he"? That's a first for me. And, Eric, stay away from Bremen. You know a little too much about it's geography, if you know what I mean!
[Goanet]Re: Sorry State of the Goan Press
Cajetan I do not know Sujay Gupta and have met Manohar Parrikar twice. I am a neutral party in this matter. Having said that, I fail to see how Sujay's non-acceptance of YOUR invitation warrants the subject line "Sorry State of the Goan Press." Is Sujay the entire Goan press? I think a public forum with the leaders of ALL parties would be a good idea, including editors of all major newspapers. That would be democracy at work and a true public forum and a service to the people. Currently, your proposal strikes me as limited at best, at worst a verbal boxing match where nothing will be gained. Regards, George --- Cajetan Rego <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here is a post from Rajan Parrikar on > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.indian.goa?hl=en > > > > A couple of weeks ago I wrote to Shri Sujay Gupta, Editor of Gomantak Times > and one of ex-CM > Manohar Parrikar's vociferous and strident critics. All these months
Re: [Goanet]Thousands mob beach in 'diamond' rush
On 30/06/05, Peter D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay folks, I stand corrected: An 'acres of diamonds' story can indeed > cause grievous harm to society. > > Very sincerely, > > Peter D'Souza > > Thousands of people have been flocking to a beach in > > India's financial hub in a manic diamond rush, but > > police said Wednesday the stones were fakes and warned > > them to stay away after one treasure hunter was drowned. RESPONSE: I applaud you for seeing the light and having courage to say sorry. Better late than never! -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Goanet News Bytes * June 30/29, 2005 * Panic-stricken BJP MLAs air-dash to Bangalore
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[Goanet]Making business work for development
id21 insights -- http://www.id21.org/insights -- is a publication of the Institute of Development Studies at the University of Sussex. Probably one of those many attempts by the former colonial powers to make amends for having under-developed large areas of the planet through their policies and politics on which the sun never set. At least for some decades/centuries. This issue is called 'Making business work for development: Rethinking corporate social responsibility'. It says: "Business is everywhere. Some is crucial to development, while some is implicated in poverty, human rights abuses and environmental destruction. In recent years there has been an upturn in corporations taking responsibility for development challenges. Research shows this is a mixed blessing while development practitioners and policy makers could engage more critically to ensure real benefits for development." In Goa's context, one sees hardly any involvement of corporates in social responsibility. Just this afternoon, a friend was mentioning how little one local thriving group had done to help the area. Apart from a few token scholarships, and colleges run in their name (which, in any case, have their huge salary bill paid from taxpayers' monies) very little comes across in Goa by way of corporate social responsiblity. Mining firms are notorious for their environmental record, nevermind the constant green-washing they do through newspapers they own. In the past, one heard about Sesa Goa's work on restoring the ravaged environment in the mining areas of interior Goa. But with the changing of hands from the Italians to the Japanese, one wonders how much this firm is doing now. Some useful weblinks: www.wbcsd.org World Business Council for Sustainable Dvpt www.eldis.org/csr Eldis CSR Resource Guide www.business-humanrights.org Business and HR Resources www.nottingham.edu.my/business/csrasia Univ of N'ham BSch www.csr-asia.com CSR in Asia www.singleplanet.blogs.com/csrchina CSR in Asia www.csrwire.com CSR newswire service www.unglobalcompact.org UN Global Compact www.oecd.org/dataoecd/32/18/31557724.pdf OECD Principles of Corporate Governance www.ethnicaltrade.org Ethical Trading Initiative www.cepaa.org/index.htm Social Accountability Int'l www.corporate-ccountability.org/docs/unrisd_guideCSR.pdf UN Research Institute for Social Development www.foe.co.uk/campaigns/corporates Friends of the Earth www.globalwitness.org Global Witness www.amnesty.org/pages/ec-index-eng Amnesty International www.international-alert.org/policy/business.htm Intl Alert www.maquilasolidarity.org Maquila Solidarity Network www.christian-aid.org.uk/indepth/0401csr/index.html Xtian Aid Source Niamh Garvey -- Frederick Noronha (FN) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Independent Journalist
[Goanet]Nocturnal Barks - Vixen Melody !
It would scare us, children then, but i miss the long, almost mournful call of the fox we heard from distant hills when growing up in Assagao. Grandmother did not care for the midnight raids on her chicken coop, but then she did not of the Croydon solution - Annie Lobo, 70, does a twenty minute bus ride every week, in Kent, to shop for cheaper beef for her backyard wards. I hope for the sake of sanity, and so Cecil and i can slumber in peace, that the bark from Kuwait loses its bite and perhaps even celebrates life as Annie does in her adopted home so far from our shores.eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Fusion Energy and ITER
Hello Goanetters, This has been the headline in most of the world! Nothing on Goanet as yet! The International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor is to be built and located in the South of France. Six participating nations decided after much deliberations, in Moscow, on the location from the two contenders, namely France and Japan for hosting the Reactor for Fusion Energy. As soon as the fine print of the agreement is accepted and signed by the participating countries, the construction of the facility will start by the end of this year. The six countries are the EU, Russia, Japan, South Korea, China and the USA. The site in France in the EU has been chosen, for a host of reasons, including the fact that there already is a typical facility there; and is close to France's second largest city, and the ideal and pleasant climate in the region. It will take a long time to complete and the results of the successful research/ experiment will only be available in 2010 or so for commercial use in power generation etc. Google for more detail news and keep informed. This sort of co-operation and enthusiasm on the part of six nations' technology coming together, to explore the 'energy reality of the future' is simply phenominal, being a united effort towards a common goal of clean and limitless energy; Some understanding has been arrived at with Japan as the other 'Host Nation', who lost out, on the location decision. The six nations have come together on the basis of their technology and advanced knowledge in this field. No mention of India even as a future interested nation. So where is India??? Is India only concentrating on IT software? China, I believe is far ahead of India in IT hardware; and has proved itself in other technologies. Yet the Preident of India tried to boast that Indians should think of themselves as a developed Country. As for Goa the situation is much worse! The Govt. depatment is still trying to learn how to handle electric power and distribute the same. What an advance this is! Then we invite the foreign tourists and give them candles and torches to cope with loss of power! The frequency of power failures in Goa may be elligible for Guiness World Record! And then Parrikar has told us that Goa has a surplus of power; as a result the lights go dim during the evenings and damages all round ! Hindutva at its best! Hah Ha! I wonder what the IITians have learnt! Only theory without the knowledge to implement? Roads and Bridges to serve one season? Parrikar please 'Hang Down Your Head' in shame and exile yourself into the Ocean. Good riddance of bad rubbish! Nasci Caldeira Melbourne Down Under
Re: [Goanet] How did science begin?
Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Fr. Ivo, [...] 2. You conveniently gloss over the fact that the Bible and traditional Christian theology contain beliefs and explanations about natural phenomena that modern science has shown to be completely wrong. Santosh, What explanations of natural phenomena are you referring to? Peter
[Goanet]Re: George Pinto's patently faux story .....
Joe Vaz's post may be the longest ad hominem personal attack in Goan cyberhistory. So he admits he plagarized material without actually saying so and wasting bandwidth. I think he has a serious comprehension deficiency compounded by his religious insecurity. My post on Kenneth's wasted bandwidth referred to Kenneth posting BLANK messages on certain forums where he forwards attachments with no text and since attachments are not allowed (Goa-Goans d-list for example) , all we get are BLANK messages and wasted bandwidth. Now we see Joe trying to defend the indefensible (BLANK messages!). He should have the courage to come out and say he does not like Santosh and me for challenging his right-wing fundamentalism. I respect people who disagree with me, not fudge. Regards, George --- Joe Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The educator of ethics has spoken again, this time with even more fury and > vengeance in his malevolent post. I can clearly see where hes coming from.
[Goanet]Re: Antonio's question
Hello Antonio, I can offer two responses to the question you posed below: a) yes it is possible for a bamon to become an anti-casteist. b) this may not be terribly likely, especially in Goa, and it is probably what a sceptic would wish to hear! There are examples where people have swung from one position to another e.g. from being a racist to an antiracist or vice versa. Regards, Cornel - Original Message - From: "Antonio Menezes" RE Senhor Alfredo Francisco Antonio Luis de VASCONCELOS CUNHA e TAVARES The question , therefore, should be : '' Can a bamon ever become an anticasteist ? '' Antonio
Re: [Goanet]Barks from the dark
--- Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think Helekar is a 'time waster' on this > list. I think he is a valuable asset to this list. > Mario replies: Though I frequently disagree with Santosh, I have to agree with Cecil. I nominate Santosh as Goanet's Chief of Hoax-Police and Head Fact Detector, and I am confident he will turn down these titles but continue to diligently serve these functions. The opinions that flow from those facts are a separate matter which is what debate is all about.
[Goanet]Ubuntu Linux Cds Avalable in Goa for Free
Just a quick word of endorsement regarding Clinton Vaz's Linux CD offer: Ubuntu Linux is one of the finest operating systems around. I have been using Ubuntu Linux as my primary OS and am very pleased--no worries about Windows spyware, Windows viruses and the like. I'd dump Windows altogether if I didn't require it for work. So call Clint and pick up your Ubuntu Linux CDs today. There's a 'LiveCD' which lets you test Linux without even having to install Linux on your PC. And there's the "Hoary Hedgehog" CD which does allow you to install Linux on your PC hard drive. Peter D'Souza -- Clint Vaz wrote: Just a short note to inform everybody that I have a few Ubuntu Linux Cds that can be given out for free to anybody that desires. The Free Cds will be made available at my shop in Margao for those who are interested. Mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call me at 9822123535 before you decide to collect your cds. Clinton..
Re: [Goanet]Trustworthy surnames
--- Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A. Veronica Fernandes wrote: > The Bhembros, the Mauzos, the Kelekars, the > Shivdases and others are not to be trusted anymore. > This is my firm opinion. > > Dear Veronica, > > 1) Should we stop trusting all people with these > surnames? > Mario asks: Veronica, surely you can't be serious. Please reconsider your firm opinion. Indicting, nay convicting, entire families in the court of public opinion? You can't do that without becoming part of whatever problem you are accusing them of. Are these entire families running around physically assaulting people? Or are they simply excercising their freedom of speech? Without knowing any of them I am willing to bet they are entirely "trustworthy", regardless of how objectionable their opinions may be.
Re: [Goanet]Re: Liberation theology , Marxism
--- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mario, > The majority of the people here are Catholic. > The last sentence above was unnecessary. (Just a > couple of years ago they executed about 25 > journalists and political opponents for Christ's > sake.) > > If you want to use such language in your posts, I > suggest that you join other groups that will be more > receptive to your low standards. > > Mervyn3.0 > There comes a time when a Catholic has got to stand > up and be counted. > Mario replies: Goanetters, I apologize for taking Christ's name in vain. Having said that, who describes himself as a Catholic but is a staunch supporter of Fidel Castro, has the nerve to bring up my mistake, while saying NOT ONE WORD about the people who were executed in Cuba simply for opposing this brutal communist dictator.
[Goanet]Thousands mob beach in 'diamond' rush
Okay folks, I stand corrected: An 'acres of diamonds' story can indeed cause grievous harm to society. Very sincerely, Peter D'Souza -- > From: Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050629/od_nm/india_diamonds_dc_1 > > An excerpt from the article above: > > Thousands of people have been flocking to a beach in > India's financial hub in a manic diamond rush, but > police said Wednesday the stones were fakes and warned > them to stay away after one treasure hunter was drowned.
RE: [Goanet]Willie, a casteist ? What BULL.........!
From: Antonio Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet]Willie, a casteist ? What BULL.! Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:07:28 +0530 Senhor Alfredo Francisco Antonio Luis de VASCONCELOS CUNHA e TAVARES calls himself 1) an unabashed brahmin Not call myself, old chap. I am, have always been and always shall be. I see no reason why I should burden myself with unnescessary guilt who is 2) determinedly fighting the detriments of casteism in our society. Quite true. Have always done so. No need to render satisfaction to anyone. My record, in Goa, will always speak for itself and many will whole heartedly testify to the same: while the beneficiaries of my efforts, most laudably, the others equally acerbically. Arch Bamons, from Loutulim inclusive, have branded me a "traidor". But, bless their 'high-born' souls they have never cut me off socially, never refrained from inviting me to all their weddings and occasions of joy and sorrow; and I am sure, would not have disdained my hand had I offered it to one of their (our) fairborn. para 1) proclaims to be an abashed one, when all other bamons are quite unwilling to do so in our society. Whish Bamons, dear confused boy are "unwilling to do so?" and what/which is "our society". You must be quite explicit in such matters, in Goa. viz., 'a nossa gente', 'entre nós', 'boas familias' ad infinitum. para 2) '' intention to fight determindedly the detriments of casteism in our society '' is rather doubtful. Why would Senhor Alfredo have the the lesser mortals know that his grandmother hailed from the Vasconcelos family and his mother from Cunha family ? I don't understand which/what negative complex compels you to thus, self-flagellantly, brand yourself "the lesser mortal". And what has my ancestry to do anything with this? And how can you purport to know lineage? My late (maternal) grandmother was not Vasconcelos. She was a daughter of the distinguished Sousas of Quitula, Aldona. She, Willie's grandfather, Tom's (Hongkong) grandfather, quite a a dozen of them were sibblings. She married into the Vasconcelos Cunha family, from Ucassaim and Arpora. I still get along very well with my Arpora relatives, from the noble house of Sebasteao Pinto. However, though I enjoy placing Goans by 'sobre nome', you, Antonio, I fail to. Off hand I might have questioned if you were related to Lulu, but apparently your not. You don't quite belong to Divar. Incidentally Lulu was another of the crypto freedom fighters who never sought acclamation. He did used his political clout on one single occasion: To save the hide of his intrepid brother-in-law, Mario Cabral e Sa, upon his maverick return (1962) from Lisbon, from the wrath of the Azad Gomantak Dal's Prabhakar Sinari & co. The question , therefore, should be : '' Can a bamon ever become an anticasteist ? '' Antonio Your question, my good Antonio, has been amply answered by our peers during the past couple of days and, hopefully, you are ingesting the gist of their unequivocal message. Myself I compare your querry to the mini-skirt that neither hides nor reveals. However, while the tiny rainment remains deliciously tantalizing you, my dear fellow, tends to be a tad tedious. Concluindo, Sr Antonio, sempre serei Vosso valente Ba'mmon, Alfred de tal e tal, etc. Stockholm, 2005-06-30 0046 8 759 6214
Re: [Goanet]State of Health Infrastructure in Goa - Part 1
--- GOACAN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Director of Health Services, Dr Salelkar attributed > the sorry state of > affairs of the Sanatorium building to delay in > preparing the estimates. > Dr. Salelkar, why did you have to wait until the building is near collapse to perform even remedial repairs? Do you look after your house in the same way? Do you wait until your ceiling is about to collapse before you do anything about it? Sheer negligence on your part is all I can say. Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Trustworthy surnames
Stop, Cecil, not even in jest, we should not pick on dear Veronica over pickled english - his is the real thing - Frisian, the Dutch coastal dialect that floated over the Channel to Britain. Near identical to english, its spoken by a quarter of a million people: the link to Veronica - he was raised in Goa on Frisian Girl condensed milk, shipped in during his 'decades of nostalgia'. For those who remember St.Pauli Girl beer - it is the name of Bremen's red light district! eric. --- Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A. Veronica Fernandes wrote: > The Bhembros, the Mauzos, the Kelekars, the > Shivdases and others are not to be trusted anymore. > This is my firm > opinion. > > > -- > > Dear Veronica, > > 1) Should we stop trusting all people with these > surnames? > 2) Can you provide us with a list of surnames that > identify trustworthy people? > 3) Is it a coincidence that the surnames you mention > are also the surnames > of stalwarts of the Konkani movement? > 4) Your attacks on the English language are well > appreciated. But surely > there must be some better way of advancing the > Konkani cause rather than > just by attacking English the way you do in your > writings. > > Cheers! > > Cecil > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]RE: RE: Trustworthy surnames
(Cecil Pinto wrote: Your attacks on the English language are well appreciated. But surely there must be some better way of advancing the Konkani cause rather than just by attacking English the way you do in your writings.) Cecil, attack is too mild a word in this case. 'Butchering' is more appropriate. Btw, could someone tell me whether Veronica is a musculine or feminine name. Or some hybrid type, in which case such names shouldn't be trusted either. Cheers, RKN _ NRIs, Choose the best solution. http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/citibankrca/rca_msntagofline.htm With Citibank Rupee Checking Account!
[Goanet]Lumen Sylvester DeSouza
=== From: "Lumen Sylvester DeSouza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-to: "Lumen Sylvester DeSouza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Everybody, Thanks so much for all the prayers. The operation went very well and Dad, while still in a lot of pain (which is normal), is recovering fine. Please keep him in your prayers as he has to fully recover within 6 weeks as his next operation on the other kidney will be on August 15th and so he'll need to be ready for that. I will write more when I have a chance. Thanks and God Bless you all, Neil === >From Neil - Sylvester's son. FWD Rene Barreto __ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html
[Goanet]Books, bikes... and trains
Was reading the Hindustan Times (New Delhi) issue of June 27, and a few issues struck me. Delhi has apparently put "the brakes" on its "ill-conceived" plan to close down its 40-year-old Darya Ganj book market, says the HT, citing a report in its paper as having helped to propel this decision. Incidentally, Goa lacks its own footpath-sales of books. The closest that one could get to this is lower-than-usual prices of outlets like Broadways. But, even then, there's little scope here for sale of hand-me-down second-hand books. Most bookoutlets sell books at marked prices, even if these are outdated books, the kind of which would be simply junked after lying unsold on the shelves in the West! Maybe someone should take the bold step of launching a second-hand books market. And while on the subject, here's something that was rather interesting and heart-warming (though I wonder how much true it is in a consumerist and entertainment-dominated Goa?): * Indians 'world's biggest readers' * Indians are the world's biggest readers at 10.7 hours a week - twice as long as Americans, a new survey says. Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/-/2/hi/south_asia/4626857.stm Another story that caught one's attention was titled 'Boy, do these girls set pulses racing'. It is about girls who love to ride bikes in Delhi. Goa has seen this for ages. So, what's new? A third article was titled 'Rajdhani stoppage at Kollam (Kerala) demanded'. Reminds one that some of the fast trains passing through Goa, apart from stopping at Margao, also tend to stop at Canacona. Now, politicians like Sanjay Bandekar might have done their job well (both in supporting the Konkan Railway Corporation and being on the right side of who rules Goa). But surely, there are more important stations that deserve a halt rather than the smaller-sized Canacona. And this is no reflection of any bias against Canacona or Canconkars (a great place, and always a relaxing drive away from urbanised Goa). Though our friend Tony Martins (who has been silent for long) would tend to disagree. FN
[Goanet]Fw: Goa SEZ and my views............
- Original Message - From: Dr. U. G. Barad (M. Pharm., Ph. D.) To: goasuraj Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 6:18 PM Subject: Goa SEZ and my views Goa SEZ: Boon or Disaster!! SEZ for Goa can be a boon as well as a total disaster. Goans are already witnessing dying industries in decaying industrial estates existing in Goa. Government should realize that it is talking about Special Economic Zone (SEZ) under Central SEZ policy and not about State SEZ under State SEZ policy (which we don't have) nor it is talking about re-energizing the collapsed 20 point program. Government should realize that the success of SEZ depends, besides other factors, on where it is planned to be located, what it is planned for, how it is planned and most importantly, who will be the ultimate beneficiaries of this SEZ. The first on the list of considerations is: SEZ where? Considering the area requirements for setting-up a SEZ is 1000 hectares, which cannot be compromised, nor can it be thought that special relaxation will be granted for Goa alone, Verna appear to be out of question and/or the consideration, though it is closer to the airport and the harbor. In this context Pernem appears to be nicely fitting into the policy. Moreover Pernem will have an airport (MOPA) of international standards. Considering the area constraints, Verna also could have been fitting in as the SEZ area for ' Very Specialized Products' (VSPs), but than, the additional requirement of having port/airport within that SEZ area is out of question for Verna. From this view point if Pernem is considered, then many other infrastructural activities such as wide roads, power generation etc. will have to be created at hopping costs. As regards what the SEZ is planned for, Goa government has still not finalized as to which industries it is aiming at, in the SEZ area. Will it be 'general industries' or 'IT' and 'pharmaceuticals' and allied industries? When SEZs are being started almost in every major state e.g. Navi Mumbai, Amritsar, etc., can Goa think of attracting major industries without offering several major additional sops which are not being offered by other SEZs? Has any one thought about these special attractive incentives that will have to be given in order to attract these industries? And can Goa afford to offer such attractive incentives at the cost of the Goan exchequer? How it is planned (at least projected/proposed) is still a big question here in Goa and to Goans. But business houses are euphoric about SEZ in Goa, but no one, till date, knows what shape it will take, planning wise and/or how it will be structured. Everyone is busy firing their shots about SEZ without even going through the actual requirements of SEZs. Who are going to be the ultimate beneficiaries of this SEZ in Goa is yet another big question by itself. Certainly the net beneficiaries of Goa SEZ, if at all we have one, will not be Goans but non-Goans, and that is for sure. Even the business houses will be mostly non-Goan. As regards employment, Goa has educated class labor including top management personalities. But one thing is certain that 80 % of the labor force including top management will be non-Goans and the balance 20 % will be goans, employed to do altu faltu jobs , that too at a very meager salary, just to show that Goans are employed. This picture will be exactly the same as we see today in industries existing in Goa. Therefore, from all these angles, it is crystal clear that the ultimate beneficiaries of Goa's SEZ will be non-Goan business houses, that too at the cost of the Goan exchequer. Therefore the moot question is: "Do we need such SEZ for Goa?" This is the question that Goans must ask themselves and come out with the "Yes" or "No" answers. Dr. U. G. Barad 600- Vasanti Niwas, Borda, Margao - Goa Tel 2731639
[Goanet]WORLD GOA DAY 2005 - Help and support
00 Hello Everybody, As part of our World Goa Day program, that includes 5 days, we have a Movie Evening that includes a conference. We wanted to expose problems related with ambient in Goa. I would like to know if anybody has a film, a documentary and images that we could show on this evening, If they are files or MPEG or any format on computer, please send them directly to me. If you know about a documentary and somebody who has the same please send me their contact so I can send them a request. Please also send us contacts on NGO organizations related to problems in Goa. If also somebody has a old movie in file format or DVD, or VCD or VHS, please send us this information, as we would like to include it in our program and your information would be a great help in this accomplishment. As we are so far away in Portugal it is extremely difficult for us to have the right contacts who can help us protect and divulgate our Heritage. We are putting up a tremendous effort and whatever small help you can give us with the material, we will produce A BIG IMPACT. Thank You, Leão Fernandes. = __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]FRIDAY BALCAO:Should Goa have a Special Economic Zone (SEZ)
-- Welcome to the FRIDAY BALCAO Read the Balcao Synopsis on the website http://www.goadesc.org/balcao/ -- Dear Cybergaokars on GoaNet, We continue with FRIDAY BALCAO on 8th July from 4pm. to 6pm. at Goa Desc Resource Centre No. 11, Liberty Apartments, Feira Alta, Mapusa Goa Ph. 2252660 TOPIC:Should Goa have a Special Economic Zone (SEZ) SPEAKER: Open Discussion We invite you to express your viewpoint by attending the Friday Balcao event but if you cannot attend, then please send your views and action plan suggestions by post to FRIDAY BALCAO Post Box 78, Mapusa 403 507 or by email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] best wishes, Roland Martins - Don't miss out on the discussion. Get the BALCAO Synopsis monthly for Rs.100/- Information is power, Share it equitably. Lets make things happen in Goa !! -- The FRIDAY BALCAO BOOKLET is available for RS.70/- only Buy your personal copy and gift one to your relatives, neighbours and friends. The information handbook that is a must in every Goan home. -- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy ===
[Goanet]Ashes to ashes...
Alfred Tavares wrote:
How would you then explain the admonishment we receive after
our carnival orgies, from the Rev. on Ash Wednesday:
From ashes thou came; and to ashes shall thou return...
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Dear Alfred,
Please note that the lines you have quoted above (reminding us of our
mortality on Ash Wednesday) are often assumed to be from the Bible. In fact
they are not. Although they are based on Genesis 3:19 ("By the sweat of
your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from
it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.").
The full quote is
"Earth to earth, ashes to ashes, dust to dust; in sure and certain hope of
the Resurrection into eternal life", which is taken from the Book of Common
Prayer.
The Book of Common Prayer is one of the major works of English literature.
Since its introduction in the mid-1500's it has exerted enormous influence
on the religious and literary lives of all who speak the English language.
The Book of Common Prayer has gone through a number of editions, not only
in England where it originated, but in all the places where the various
Churches of the Anglican communion are now active.
http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/1559/BCP_1559.htm
is as good a place as any other to read about The Book of Common Prayer.
Below are some other oft-used quotes for The Book of Common Prayer
- "With this ring I thee wed, with my body I thee worship, and with all my
worldly goods I thee endow"
- "A joyful and pleasant thing it is to be thankful"
- "To have and to hold from this day forward, for better for worse, for
richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, till
death us do part"
- "There was never anything by the wit of man so well devised, or so sure
established, which in continuance of time hath not been corrupted"
In fact I read somewhere that the phrase used at the beginning of the
wedding nuptials, "Dearly beloved, we are gathered here together ... " is
also from The Book of Common Prayer.
Interesting is it not that we Catholics use so many quotes from an Anglican
prayer book.
Cheers!
Cecil
(Virtual Biblical Scholar)
P.S.
Other relevant instances of ashes and dust in the Bible are:
- Tamar put ashes on her head and tore her long-sleeved garment which was
on her; and she put her hand on her head and went away, crying aloud as she
went. (2 Samuel 13:19)
-When Mordecai learned all that had been done, he tore his clothes, put on
sackcloth and ashes, and went out into the midst of the city and wailed
loudly and bitterly. (Esther 4:1)
- Therefore I retract, and I repent in dust and ashes." (Job 42:6)
- They will cast dust on their heads, They will wallow in ashes. (Ezekiel
28:18)
- So I gave my attention to the Lord God to seek Him by prayer and
supplications, with fasting, sackcloth and ashes. (Daniel 9:3)
- Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles had
occurred in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented
long ago in sackcloth and ashes. (Matthew 11:21)
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[Goanet]Re: George Pinto's patently faux story .....
"George Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: --- Joe Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: George, Does your following post fit your idea of conserving bandwidth? Arent you leading by example -- by the stuff you post, which is (also) wasted bandwidth? George: No, it is not wasted bandwidth. Do you believe your cut and paste posts below were wasted bandwidth? The educator of ethics has spoken again, this time with even more fury and vengeance in his malevolent post. I can clearly see where hes coming from. This abrasive and malicious message, that my posts are cut&paste and his are not, is notoriously ludicrous. The posts George is referring to were posted in 2001. Am I amazed that the Rip Van Winkle has just awakened? Did we see a George Pinto on the cc list of the advance post? FYI, it was one of those incidents when Christian beliefs were vociferously attacked on Goanet, with reference to miracles performed by Christ which were being termed (by a Goanetter) -- as some games and tricks -- and not real occurrences as are historically recorded. Hence, I had to do research from historical archives to refute his charge, and included references where available. Whenever there is an article of interest, (particularly of an educational nature,) I do send the post in its entirety along with due credit to its known author. Many have appreciated such inspirational and educational posts. We didnt see George addressing the miracles issue in 2001 when that discussion was on, --- after all Pinto is a devote loyalist. He gladly let those gruesome attacks by his friend go bye, without a word. Interestingly, a man who does not believe in (or care for) miracles was expecting one during his visits to the Vatican. This so called guardian of truth did not object to the fallacious post by his friend, who said that the miracles such as Jesus raising the dead man Lazarus to life were nothing but games and tricks; yet he never hesitated to insolently attack and express objections to harmless inspirational stories, such as the Acres of Diamonds, posted on Goanet. George, you need to be 100% accurate before making your fallacious accusations, and not base them on your own biases. Your open attacks on the Vatican/Catholic Church in many instances were grossly biased, unfounded, unsubstantiated, malicious and derogatory in nature. Many netters brought it to your notice that your biases were excessively ridiculous. Unfortunately, those who did so are probably on your bad-books, so you can drive a personal vendetta against them. Just interested to know, what motivates you to propagate such dislike (or hate) towards the Vatican? Was it all because the Vatican politely showed you the backdoor, when you were advocating your case using a pompous posture? Interestingly, you do not want to discuss it. My earlier remark was in specific reference to the wasted bandwidth, which you mentioned in your following post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote referring to: --kenneth fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Re: ABC of Marriage Good heavens, is the pot now calling the kettle black? Don't know if the two of you are related with the same last name, but certainly in the cut & paste department you are. You may want to take those groups of your list and spare us all the wasted bandwidth. So, aint your case befitting the pot calling the kettle black situation? The question is: Are you claiming exclusive rights to the bandwidth, so that you may monopolize the forum? Instead of pointing fingers and castigating others with your claim that they are wasting the bandwidth (and belong to the cut&paste department,) I suggest you please look into the mirror and you will find the person who is doing exactly the same. George, as educator of ethics, shouldnt you hold yourself to the same ethical standards that you profess. Your biases are deafening and badly letting you down, as can be seen from your amply rampant and sadistic posts on Goanet, and many netters have specifically brought that to your attention. Sadly, you have not shown any effort or intent to change that attitude. George, I am perfectly capable of authoring my own posts and rebuttals, without outside-the-forum consultations and help from any support-group; also I dont feel the need to gang-up on netters to browbeat them by all means. This reminds me of the school bully who thrived on intimidating his victims -- who were too afraid to encounter him. I am not deterred by bullies and intimidation and tackle them head-on. Finally, as you can see I have sufficient skills to respond to your spurious posts, so stop using the cut&paste delusion. Joe Vaz PS: I will not resort to pasting links to posts containing your biases that were ridiculed by netters on this forum, as also posts that contained cut&pastes. Be sure you dont forget to consult with your team members, to c
[Goanet]Barks from the dark
Bernado Colaco wrote: Truth is hard to swallow. Antonio Veronica is writing the truth. Besides Helekar you are a time waster on the list! Dear Bernado (or whatever), I don't think Antonio Veronica knows what he is talking about, and the seriousness of the absurd communal allegations he is making. I don't think Helekar is a 'time waster' on this list. I think he is a valuable asset to this list. And at least Helekar and Veronica are men enough to clearly identify who they are. Dogs that bark from the dark don't deserve a response. Cheers! Cecil
Re: [Goanet] How did science begin?
Fr. Ivo, I provide below answers to some of your questions, and a list of problems and questions with what you wrote: 1. Modern science is rational, theoretical and empirical in nature. 2. You conveniently gloss over the fact that the Bible and traditional Christian theology contain beliefs and explanations about natural phenomena that modern science has shown to be completely wrong. 3. The assertion "Hence for him (agnostic) Science explains the whole reality (the "absolute truth")" is a confused attempt at redefining absolute truth. The reality which Science explains is the reality of the natural universe and natural phenomena. It has nothing do with absolute truth, which no true scientist or agnostic claims to know. 4. How does theology know there is life after death? Why should anybody believe in such a mere assertion? 5. Objective evidence refers to physical facts about the natural universe, which can be independently verified and evaluated by any observer. They enable us to distinguish between fantasy and reality. You have conveniently avoided telling me how your theology distinguishes between fantasy and reality. 6. What are the rational grounds for your dogma? Why can this dogma not be regarded as fantasy? 7. You repeat once again: "Whatever is witnessed by our universal experience is not fantasy". You dont tell me why. Your assertion is obviously false. Dreams, illusions and hallucinations are also witnessed by our universal experience. What we experience in them cannot be regarded as real. 8. How do you know that the things that are contained in ancient texts "are immutable truths", that they reveal "immutable truths about human existence"? We already know that these texts contain many assertions about the natural universe and natural phenomena that are completely false. 9. Any discipline that does not follow the scientific method is not regarded as a science in the modern context. That is why theology and religion are not sciences. 10. All fields that describe the natural universe and provide explanations for natural phenomena can be subjected to experimentation or observation. The scientific method can be applied to them. 11. I think your definition of ideology applies quite nicely to religion. Religion is "a system of concepts, convictions, interpretative patterns and norms of action, which --mostly governed by particular interests--, produces a distorted picture of the reality of the world." 12. Agnosticism is not intolerance. Agnosticism refers to a lack of knowledge. An agnostic recognizes the unknown, that there are many things that s/he does not know. S/he also does not believe in anything without reason and physical evidence. Intolerance comes from people who believe in immutable truths and dogma, whether they are religious or non-religious. 13. Your long unwaranted anti-scientific and anti-technological rant seems to me as an exposition of a religionist ideology mixed with some postmodernism. 14. In response to your question: "Could you point out to a tenet of Catholic faith which to your mind should be changed?", I would say, I am not the one who claimed that theology seeks truth afresh, and renews its understanding through "reflection" and "discernment". I dont think any religion or theology is interested in seeking truth afresh, or renewing anything. They believe, as you do, that their ancient texts contain "immutable truths". It is therefore you who have to tell me which tenets you would renew by "reflection" and "discernment", or as you now say "re-think and re-affirm in the light of the Gospel values, taking into account also what modern Science has discovered". Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Sorry State of the Goan Press
Here is a post from Rajan Parrikar on http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.indian.goa?hl=en A couple of weeks ago I wrote to Shri Sujay Gupta, Editor of Gomantak Times and one of ex-CM Manohar Parrikar's vociferous and strident critics. All these months Shri Gupta's diatribes against Manohar Parrikar have been shrill and bereft of substance. In my email, I expressed the opinion that a vigilant and free press was crucial to the functioning of a healthy democratic government, and that I did not consider Manohar Parrikar or his government to be beyond the ambit of criticism. That a responsible press ought to hold the government's feet to the fire. But the press should not be exempt from criticism either, particularly when an editor masquerades as a dispassonate critic when in truth he is a partisan blowhard and an intolerant hack. Gupta's screed in the Gomantak Times has struck me as juvenile, and his lack of knowledge and historical perspective of the Goan political landscape appalling. I proposed to Shri Gupta that I would organise a public debate between him and Manohar Parrikar in Panjim in the month of July when I will be in Goa, at a place and time of his (Gupta's) choosing. I suggested that this would preferably be an unmoderated forum, but if he so desired we could have 2 moderators, one named by Shri Gupta and the other nominated by Manohar Parrikar. The idea was to make it a fair & level playing field where (hopefully) a substantive exchange of ideas and opinions would be registered. The only stipulation was that this be a civil, dignified affair, without personal attacks or smears. My role would be that of an organiser, with responsibility for arranging the entire event and defraying all expenses related to it. All Gupta had to do was show up at the auditorium (likewise for Manohar Parrikar). Sujay Gupta wrote back to me and we exchanged 2 or 3 emails. After the initial round of hemming and hawing, he questioned my "secular" credentials, then called me a "stooge" of Manohar Parrikar. I pointed out that "secular" is itself a Christian notion and that I was proud to be "non-secular" on that count. Manohar Parrikar comes from the collateral branch of our family, his father and my father were very good friends, but I have only a passing acquaintance with Manohar-bab. We have met just once, 2 years ago at an airport, and our interaction was limited to exchanging pleasantries. I presented this information to Shri Gupta and asked whether he had any evidence that I wasn't aware of to prove that I was Manohar Parrikar's "stooge." I asked him if he, an editor of a major Goan daily, would similarly smear every Goan supporter and voter of the BJP as a "stooge" of Manohar Parrikar. It was abundantly clear that Shri Gupta, who is a tiger behind his Editor's desk, had suddenly turned chicken when called upon to publicly account for the bilge he has been pouring out in newsprint for a while now. My invitation to him still stands: debate Manohar Parrikar in public. If July is uncomfortably close, let us schedule an event later this year in December. I am attaching my final email to Sujay Gupta below. I will soon be getting in touch with Manohar Parrikar and telling him about Gupta, the Chicken-in-Chief of Gomantak Times. Warm regards, r -- Dear Shri Gupta, Thank you for your response. Your continued name-calling and wild assertions lay bare the poverty of your case. You have no arguments to offer; the best you can do is call me a "stooge" of Manohar Parrikar. Are all the people who support and vote for Mr. Parrikar and the BJP his "stooges" as well? You are no less intolerant than the people you love to despise. With each email, you have strenghtened my charge that you have NOTHING on Mr. Parrikar, but only ad hominems to offer your readers. The current strength in the Goa Assembly is 21-19. In other words, a couple of seats can swing the tide either way. Is this your idea of a wipe-out? If you study the recent election results, you will understand that the aggregate votes the BJP received remain unchanged (I don't have the figures handy right now, but you can find them easily) and the core BJP vote-bank remains undiminished. It is not Parrikar's "arrogance" that lead to the BJP defeat, as your simplistic 'analysis' has it. There are a host of other factors. But far be it from me to stand in the way of you and your woolly fantasies. Finally: you cannot call me a "stooge" and at the same time claim that you have nothing personal against me. It is clear that you are intolerant of people who hold and express political views different than the ones you cherish. This says more about YOU than it does about ME. In summation, as I mentioned earlier, you want to hide behind the safety of your edito
[Goanet]Not in my backyard: two villages and a garbage problem
- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ --- Not in my backyard: two villages and a garbage problem CALANGUTE/SALIGAO: It's a classic tale of two neighbouring villages and a common dispute that has divided them garbage. While Calangute - the epicenter of tourism in Goa - generates several tons of garbage per day, the village panchayat dumps its trash in an unused quarry that required its garbage trucks to wind through the picturesque neighbouring village of Saligao. The villagers have risen in protest ever since the dump started functioning in 1994 and claim that its presence if a threat to their wellbeing.The Bombay High Court at Goa ruled in favor of continued dumping at the site despite petition filed against garbage dumping. "The biggest problem is that the garbage is affecting the underground water table," says a prominent activist from the area who preferred to remain unnamed, "There are other ancillary problems such as the smell from the trucks that inconvenience a small amount of people." The activist adds, "Health is also a big issue because the dogs and crows tend to strew the garbage over a larger area. There is also a large colony of stray dogs at least 200 of them who populate the site and risk setting off a rabies epidemic." Calangute Sarpanch Joseph Siqueira, however sought to allay fears saying, "We are conducting our work in the most systematic way as prescribed by the High Court order. These allegations being leveled against us are false and baseless." Garbage collection in Calangute is being conducted on a door-to-door basis by the panchayat, Siqueira says, and the garbage is taken to the dumpsite where it is segregated. When queried about the recent showdown where a member of the Saligao panchayat led his supporters to block the entry of the garbage trucks, Siqueira relied that it was only a move to "divert attention" and that he had subsequently filed a petition before the High Court. Meanwhile, even as Saligao has been protesting Calangute's dumping, the village panchayat's own garbage collection system is under a cloud. Local residents say that they are not aware where the panchayat-appointed contractor is dumping Saligao's garbage and alleged that the village Sarpanch was not forthcoming with an answer. When GT contacted Saligao Sarpanch Mary Fernandes, she referred this reporter to her brother Lucas Remedios saying, "He will be in a better position to answer your questions." Remedios could not be reached telephonically to comment. Tired of the Panchayat's lackadaisical attitude the Saligao Civic and Consumer Cell (SCCC) initiated its own efforts to tackle the village garbage. The organisation, about five years ago, started a door-to-door garbage collection programme manned by volunteers who dedicated their time and money to solve the issue. SCCC would then pass the garbage on to contractors in Mapusa who would dispose off it accordingly. According to Joaquim D'Mello of SCCC, the volunteer group has re-started its efforts on a smaller scale with a new initiative to introduce Japanese Effective Microorganism (EM) technology. EMs are the so-called good bacteria that break down waste into compost that is used as organic fertilizer. "We are using the Saligao church as the center of our activities. We have put a big drum where people can dump their non-bio degradable garbage in," D'Mello explained, "The biodegradable material is put in two pits built in the church compound and sprayed with EMs before being covered with plastic. The waste is then converted into organic fertilizer over a period of time." The church experiment, though largely ignored by the Panchayat, is being emulated by the nearby Our Lady of Lourdes convent, which has set up its own EM system, D'Mello says. VOICES Carlos D'Sousa Businessman, Calangute "Earlier there was a garbage problem but it has reduced substantially. I have kept my own waste bins outside my supermarket where all the waste and garbage is collected. The panchayat contractor who makes it a point to collect it regularly. The earlier contractor was very irregular. I am not aware where they dump the garbage as long as my area and surroundings are clean." Joaquim D'Mello Retired Banker, Saligao "Garbage is gold and you can make money out of it. Everybody should adopt new technologies like EM on whatever scale they can afford. It is also time for the government to use such technology." Salvita Fernandes Housewife, Calangute "We do not much of a problem where garbage is concerned. The contractors are quite prompt." Fr Francis Atiad
[Goanet]Dangers posed to the third world countries.
I am sending the enclosed article to bring to the notice of a peculiar type of danger posed to the third world countries. I have no (repeat no) intention of highlighting the religious analogies used. In fact, I do not know why the author felt the need to do so. I think the author is definitely NOT a supporter of the Hindu fundamentalists in India. However, the points that she otherwise makes has much merit. Sachin Phadte THE SECOND COMING OF COLUMBUS VANDANA SHIVA - Our struggle is against all forms of colonization. ON 17TH APRIL, 1492, Queen Isabel and King Ferdinand granted Christopher Columbus the privileges of "discovery and con- quest". One year later, on 4th May, 1493, Pope Alexander VI through his "Bull of Donation" granted all islands and mainlands "discovered and to be discovered, one hundred leagues to the West and south of the Azores towards India" and already not occupied or held by any Christian king or prince as of Christmas of 1492, to the Catholic monarchs, Isabel of Castille and Ferdinand of Aragon. Walter Ullmann has stated in Medieval Papalism: "The Pope as the victor of God commanded the world, as if it Were a tool in his hands; the Pope, supported by the canonists, considered the world as his property to be disposed according to his will." Acts of piracy were thus transformed into divine will by charters and patents. The peoples and nations which were colonized did not belong to the Pope who "donated" them to the European monarchs. However, this canonical jurisprudence made the Christian monarchs of Europe rulers of all nations, "wherever they might be found and whatever creed they might embrace." The Papal Bull, the Columbus charter and the charter-patents granted by European monarchs laid the juridical and moral foundations for the colonization and extermination of non-European peoples. The Native American population declined from 72 million in 1492 to less than 4 million in a few centuries. The principle of "effective occupation" by Christian princes, the alleged "vacancy" of the targeted lands, the "duty" to incorporate the "savages" into civilization were components of the charter-patents. Wherever they might be found, whatever knowledge they might embody, patents and intellectual property rights (IPRS) today are no different from the "patentes" and "charters" issued by European monarchs to merchants of their era. FIVE HUNDRED YEARS after Columbus, a more secular version of the same project of colonization continues through patents. The Papal Bull has been replaced by the GATT treaty. The principle of effective occupation by Christian princes has been replaced by "effective occupation" by modern-day rulers, the transnational corporations. The vacancy of targeted lands" has been replaced by "the vacancy of targeted life-forms" and species manipulated by the new biotechnologies. The duty to incorporate savages into Christianity has been replaced by the duty to incorporate local and national economies into the global marketplace, and to incorporate non- Western systems of knowledge into the reductionism of commercialized Western science and technology. The creation of property through the piracy of others' wealth remains the same as it was 500 years ago. The freedom that transnational corporations are claiming through intellectual property rights protection in the GATT agreement on Trade Related Intellectual Property rights (TRIPs) is the freedom that European colonizers have claimed since 1492 when Columbus set precedence in treating the licence to conquer non- European peoples as a natural right of European men. The land titles issued by the Pope through European kings and queens were the first patents. The colonizer's freedom was built on the slavery and subjugation of the people with original rights to the land. This violent takeover was rendered "natural" by defining the colonized people as savages, thus denying them their humanity and freedom. Locke's treatise on property effectually legitimized this same process of theft and robbery during the enclosure movement in Europe. Locke clearly articulates capitalism's freedom to build on the freedom to steal; he states that property is created by removing resources from nature through mixing with labour. But this "labour" is not physical labour but labour in its spiritual" form as manifest in the control of capital. According to Locke, only those who own capital have the right to own natural resources; a right that supersedes the common rights of others with prior claims. Capital is thus defined as a source of freedom, but this freedom is based on the denial of freedom to the land, forests, rivers and biodiversity that capital claims as its own and to others whose rights are based on their labour. Peasants and tribals who demand the return of their rights and access to resources are regarded as thieves. THESE EUROCE
[Goanet]Trustworthy surnames
A. Veronica Fernandes wrote: The Bhembros, the Mauzos, the Kelekars, the Shivdases and others are not to be trusted anymore. This is my firm opinion. -- Dear Veronica, 1) Should we stop trusting all people with these surnames? 2) Can you provide us with a list of surnames that identify trustworthy people? 3) Is it a coincidence that the surnames you mention are also the surnames of stalwarts of the Konkani movement? 4) Your attacks on the English language are well appreciated. But surely there must be some better way of advancing the Konkani cause rather than just by attacking English the way you do in your writings. Cheers! Cecil
[Goanet]OFFTOPIC: Indias 'world's biggest readers'
* Indians 'world's biggest readers' * * Indians 'world's biggest readers' * Indians are the world's biggest readers at 10.7 hours a week - twice as long as Americans, a new survey says. Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/-/2/hi/south_asia/4626857.stm
RE: [Goanet]Willie, a casteist ? What BULL.........!
Antonio, >From your comments it's crystal clear that you are not a 'Bamon'. So, the next most natural thing to do is bash all the 'Bamons'. Having done that, could you clarify where in the caste hierarchy you belong? Oh yes, you are a 'Catholic' so there are no 'caste-baggage' you carry, but your forefathers did, right? Let's say you are some where below the 'Bamon' in caste hierarchy. If we go by your logic and rhetoric, than the folks below your caste have the right to question your casteist approach just like you question the Bamons, right? So that makes you a casteist just like you perceive all Bamons as casteist. Unless, you occupy the lowest part of the caste hierarchy along with 'Marrs'. So, as a 'Catholic' does it give you a right to make such weird statements? Of course, if one is smoking some weird stuff, than it's all a different matter. You will agree that as a 'Catholic' you cannot make such statements against other human beings. If you wish to standby your rhetoric, than you can't be a 'Catholic'. The choice is yours! Avelino Bastora/Kuwait __ Antonio Menezes wrote: Senhor Alfredo Francisco Antonio Luis de VASCONCELOS CUNHA e TAVARES calls himself 1) an unabashed brahmin who is2) determinedly fighting the detriments of casteism in our society. para 1) proclaims to be an abashed one, when all other bamons are quite unwilling to do so in our society. para 2) '' intention to fight determindedly the detriments of casteism in our society '' is rather doubtful. Why would Senhor Alfredo have the the lesser mortals know that his grandmother hailed from the Vasconcelos family and his mother from Cunha family ? The question , therefore, should be : '' Can a bamon ever become an anticasteist ? '' Antonio
[Goanet]D'souza set to rock Hollywood
Any Goan connection?...Eddie Verdes D'souza set to rock Hollywood With the music videos of Sukbhir, Silk Route and Bombay Vikings to his credit, music video director Anthony D'souza is now ready to rock Hollywood. He's set to jazz things up a bit for teen popstar Avril Lavigne and guitar maestro Carlos Santana. "Well. I'm going to Los Angeles to meet with the record label RCA who saw a video I had done and thought it was good. I don't know where it will go from there," said D'Souza. Latest venture Back home his latest directorial venture is upcoming singer Sarosh's new music video Hey Ya. For Sarosh, who began his musical journey at quite an early age, it was quite a break. "It was fabulous working with Tony. He is very clear about what he wants unlike most directors and he does just that and nothing more," said Sarosh. "I am nervous about an international venture but its ok. It just means I have to do my homework better and be more professional," said D'souza. This is D'souzas second international stint from directing the real life wonders of Ripleys Believe It or Not to some real rock and roll and if all goes well, he may be asked for some encores. source: http://www.ndtv.com/ent/musicnew/story_ie.asp?section=Music&slug=D%27souza+s et+to+rock+Hollywood&id=3730
Fwd: [Goanet]Freedom Fighters.
A. Veronica Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "sadly I was surprised there were no hindus from Goa);" . Let it be known to everyone and to everywhere in the Goan World >that for the good cause of Goa only the Christians worked and fought hard though the benefits of their hard work and hard >fought battles were enjoyed by those who were watching from distance silently. -- First of all, I am not surprised to see this hate mail against the majority community of Goa. Let it be known that if the majority community were not tolerant or agreeable to the demands made by the minority community (30% of Goans), Konkani or Statehood would not have happened. We have Konkani and Statehood because majority of Goans (Hindus, Catholics and others) wanted it. Regards, Carlos
