Re: [Goanet] Gandhi
--- Bhandare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George Pinto has now qualified his response. So according to him, war is exempt. So it is ok for America to kill vietnamese civilians by napalm, as long as it is war. Or poor afghans by predator drone attacks. Quite interesting! No, that is not what I wrote or meant. I wrote war is a separate issue meaning the discussion of killing innocent innocents has to be done against the backdrop of a just and unjust wars. The current Iraq war, the Vietnam war were unjust, hence the killing of innocents is not only wrong, but also the killing of fighting personnel too. George Bush is guilty for the deaths of 3,000+ USA military personel and 150,000 innocent Iraqi civilians. Regards, George
[Goanet] Viva Carnival..Viva
This year Samba dancers added more thrillers to fun and frolic of Goan Carnival. So much so that these Samba dancers even created mesmerizing waves on our chief minister, minister for tourism, Chair person of Panaji Corporation, Director of Tourism, and vice-chairman of Goa Tourism Development Corporation to such an extend that neither of them paid any attention to hoisting our Nation Flag upside down on Samba tableau. In a happy mood chief minister flagged off the carnival parade in Panaji along with his grand son without even bothering to have a look on the tableau and on national flag which was hosted on tableau up side down for he was more glued with samba dancers rather than anything else. Will Goa government take cognizance of this grave mistake and fix the person responsible for depicting Goa's disrespect to national flag. This action is required to be initiated only because that depiction has been carried world wide. As it is Goa's name is sinking because of dirty politics and politicians! Viva Carnival Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] Where are all the Parrikar baiters, haters gone?
Anil Desai wrote: It is now three days since Manohar Parriker threw down the gauntlet. He asked our Digambar Chief Minister to substantiate the allegation that, he, Parriker had held a meeting with SEZ promoters in Mumbai and plotted the downfall of the Congress government. Comment: Wouldn't it be better if Anil or other BJP supporters obtained an affidavit from MP stating that he will resign and retire from public life if the allegation is proved? MP has a record of not keeping his word. Remember his statement before the elections that he would not bid for office unless his party secured a majority on its own. No later than a few months after the Congress took office, there he was at his pet game of toppling an elected government with scant respect for the verdict of the electorate. Marshall Mendonza
[Goanet] Daily Haiku #4
DAILY HAIKU #4: __ COP _ soro at lunch ek glass panch, cop at night fully tight. __ Aunty, Famous Indians, Haiku, Churchill cartoons, etc: http://2008goanconvention.com/blog/index.php _
[Goanet] Fwd: Re: EDITORIAL: Mopa Through
The real fact is that South Goa Tourism Industry will dry up once Mopa comes up, and the people in S. Goa in the industry directly and indirectly will became paupers! Not only busines in N. Goa but Pernem and Sindhudurg specially will benefit strongly to the wholesale detriment of persons who have invested so much in the industry in South GoaThat is why we must develop Dabolim on a war footing and get the Navy out of there TOMORROW and send them to 'Sea Bird' which is what was planned and designed for the Navy!!...Reform should and must mean, getting the Navy out of Dabolim; they already have 'Sea Bird' close by! And Dabolim is already here; it's not that Goa does not have an Airport, is it? Dabolim can be developed at a fifth of what it would cost to build Mopa, and the Navy would also benefit by having all their training facilities and Naval Dockyard at the one place at 'Sea Bird' in Karwar. This is ECONOMY all round and Convenience all roundIs it so hard for the Navy to give up on Goan girls/ women to attend their Annual Navy Day Dinner Dance in December? They could 'bus' them, Goan men and women to Karwar and still have the good Social Life that Goa and Goans are famous forVIVA GOA! VIVA DABOLIM! Mop Up MOPA, for the better future of All of GOA! Nasci Caldeira (Lover of Goa and Good Things Indian). That in a nutshell is the rejoinder to the NT Editorial. My response: 1. This may be the best deal Goa can get: Dabolim continues as before and Mopa goes ahead. 2. The South Goa hoteliers lobby (HASG) has not expressed any problem with the Navy at Dabolim except on two counts: (a) part with 100 acres instead of the 35 allotted to AAI at present and (b) consolidate the runway crossings at one point instead of the present two. HASG. It has of course also asked the Navy to shift some (unspecified) activities to Karwar. But it has given a clean chit to slot guzzling flight training activities! So which naval activities is HASG talking about? 3. The HASG's main problem is with competition. Are they in the hotel business or in the business of making a quick buck? They should let the people of Goa know. Cheers.
[Goanet] Reporting suspicions, sensationalism/voyeurism and journalistic responsibilities.
Dears, Whether this is a frame up against the priest for some other reason or, the rather unlikely event of it being the truth in this case, can only be deternmined by a DNA test. The Herald has ended its report thus: When contacted late night, Inspector General of Police Kishan Kumar said, All this doesn't look right. We are trying to find out why the incident has come to light now. I am looking into the matter. According to other newspapers the woman is 36 years old, lived in a flat/apartment, became an unwed mother in February 2007, is now married to a Greek man and the rape is supposed to have occurred on 08 June, 2006 [more than 18 months ago]. I do not know what medical examination of a woman who has borne a child and has been married for quite some time would reveal about the alleged rape after 18 months. Such information is virtually revealing the identity of the victim of sexual offence that is prohibited by Indian law. I wonder if the many vocal women's organisations will take up this issue of the breach of law, whether the alleged rape is proved or not. The NT identifies the priest as native of Kunjebettu, Udupi, Karnataka, who was attending to the ailing mother of the rape victim [note NOT alleged rape victim] and the woman was in her apartment [not home] and is now married to a Greek national Whether rightly or wrongly, the priest stands defamed by the newspapers. Sufficient leads are given as to his identity through mention of his work place, native place, non-Diocesan order, etc. The GT report banner headlines report on front page identifes the complainant as 36 years old woman and the accused as 35 year old priest affiliated to Mapusa and Xellim-Canacona Monastary and from Udupi-Karnataka. The alleged crime scene is her flat. The opening disclaimer Strange and shocking it may seem. would rightly describe the positioning of the report rather than the allegation by the said woman! The Herald has carried a page 3 report which is produce verbatim below. It seems to have some sense of balance in an era when senstionalism is the rule rather than the exception. When you put the words 35 years old, priest, Mapusa and Xelli, Monastary and Udupi together it is not difficult to find who the priest from the Monastary at Peddem-Mapusa is. There are very few young priests in that religious order. The words flat, Karaswada-Mapusa, 36 years old, sick mother, hospitalised, child born in February 2007, and Greek husband do not leave the identity of the rape victim,supposedly protected by Indian law, to any doubt. Not eveyone marries a Greek national. Anyone marrying as late in life as 35 years is the talk of the town ...specially if she is an unwed mother!! Goa is not a metropolis where one can be incognito. Everyone knows everyone else and her uncle. Some time back, one English newspaper had carried a slanderous report about the parents of a girl hacking her to death with a coito, but now the police case is that it was her sister-in-law's paramour who did it. Many people unnecessarily doubted the aged parents from Nachinola only because of the police leak and the newspaper front page report. I wonder what the reporters/editors would do if someone talked losely about their parents or siblings, if they have any. We need to show some responsibility. Mog asundi. Miguel Rape case against priest BY HERALD REPORTER PANJIM, FEB 2 - The Women's Police Station in Panjim Saturday registered a rape case against a priest, who is shockingly alleged to have fathered a one-year-old child. Even as a top police officer said the priest had been arrested, the same could not be ascertained before going to the press. It is however known that the priest (from a certain religious order), who hails from Udupi, Karnataka, was serving in an institution in Mapusa. The woman, who has charged the priest of allegedly raping her, hails from Karaswada in Mapusa. Sources said the woman bore a child on February 14, 2007 and has held the priest responsible for the birth of the baby. When contacted late night, Inspector General of Police Kishan Kumar said, All this doesn't look right. We are trying to find out why the incident has come to light now. I am looking into the matter. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
[Goanet] New Milestone for Konkani
New Milestone for Konkani Tomazinho Cardozo It was a moment of pride and honour for every Konkani loving person to see on 27th January 2008 at 10 p.m. , Mandd Sobhann, a cultural organization from Mangalore under the leadership of Shri. Eric Ozario and other choral groups singing harmoniously and continuously for 40 hours in the unique programme Konkani Nirantari' and breaking the existing world record of 36 hours created by 'Comunidade Evangelica Luterna Sao Paulo, Brazil on July 3rd and 4th in 2004. For the first time, in the history of Konkani language, Konkani - its song and music - found a deserving place in the Guinness Book of World Records. Hats off to Shri. Eric Ozario, his team of dedicated artistes and the cultural organization, Mandd Sobhann. I was a witness to this great event. I was pleasantly surprised to see a flawless presentation with foolproof coordination that adhered to all the rules and regulations set by the Committee of the Guinness Book of World Records. The Guinness Book of World Records, an annual publication since 1955, lists records for a wide variety of sports, stunts and other natural phenomena. Each record must be verified by the investigator before it can be included. The very existence of Guinness Book generates a great number of attempts to establish records of feats that few people would otherwise attempt. Some of the important norms of making an effort to enter the Guinness Book of World Records through choral singing are:- ? Each singing group should have not less than 30 singers and no singer can participate in more than one group. ? No song can be repeated. ? The time gap between the end of one song and the beginning of the other song cannot exceed 30 seconds. ? No song should be of duration of less than three and half minutes. ? Singers of age less than 14 years cannot participate in this programme while those between the ages of 14 to 18 years have to get written permission from their parents. ? Prelude of the song must be as brief as possible and no interlude is allowed during the rendition of the song. ? Humming in the course of singing the song is banned. ? No solo or duet singing is permitted while different voices - alto, tenor, etc. - are encouraged to make the song pleasant and harmonious. ? The whole programme should be recorded and must be conducted in the presence of the Adjudicator deputed by the Committee of the Guinness Book of World Records. 'Konkani Nirantari' which was inaugurated by Rev. Dr. Aloysius Paul D'Souza, Bishop of Mangalore Diocese on 26th January 2008, sharp at 5.45 a. m., got to its flying start at 6.00 a.m. sharp with 'SRA Sisters' - a troupe consisting solely of nuns, making an impressive presentation of melodious singing. In fact the existing record of 36 hours was broken on 27th January, the next day at 6.00 p.m. when the jam-packed Kala Angann Theatre gave a standing ovation to Mandd Sobhann for achieving a unique feat at the international level. This mega event saw 43 singing troupes perform, out which 37 were from Mangalore Diocese itself. Two troupes from Goa , two from Bombay and one from Bangalore and Mysore each also participated in the event. The total number of singers who participated in the event was 1711 who rendered 645 different songs in Konkani. Each troupe presented about 14 to 15 songs within a period of approximately 60 minutes. The next song started within a time gap of 5 to 10 seconds. The change over from one group to another was meticulously planned and that too took place within 5 to 10 seconds. On the whole, the singing was impressive and well-coordinated with different voices blending harmoniously together. The Adjudicator, Mr. Keith Pullin, who was deputed by the Committee of the Guinness Book of World Records, observed everything that was happening with his eagle like eyes. When I contacted him after about 23 hours of singing and asked for his comment on the performance he remarked, The show is excellent. The organizers have taken care of the smallest of the small things to ensure fool-proof organizational professionalism. If the same trend continues till the end, I shall be handing over to them the prestigious certificate from the Committee of the Guinness Book of World Records. And the marathon 40 hours singing by multiple singers ended at 10 p.m. on 27th January without any flaws. A new record was established. The flag of Konkani rose to the highest level due to the untiring efforts of our fellow brothers in Mangalore. A feat of such a magnitude was possible only because of the love the Mangaloreans have towards their mother tongue, Konkani. It was possible because of the unity among the Konkani-loving people in Mangalore. They strengthened their unity by maintaining the script of their choice, Kannada, for their mother tongue, Konkani. In unity, they resisted and defeated all the moves of vested interests to impose
Re: [Goanet] Where are all the Parrikar baiters, haters gone?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anil Desai wrote: It is now three days since Manohar Parriker threw down the gauntlet. He asked our Digambar Chief Minister to substantiate the allegation that, he, Parriker had held a meeting with SEZ promoters in Mumbai and plotted the downfall of the Congress government. Comment: Wouldn't it be better if Anil or other BJP supporters obtained an affidavit from MP stating that he will resign and retire from public life if the allegation is proved? MP has a record of not keeping his word. Remember his statement before the elections that he would not bid for office unless his party secured a majority on its own. No later than a few months after the Congress took office, there he was at his pet game of toppling an elected government with scant respect for the verdict of the electorate. Marshall Mendonza RESPONSE: I think you are not aware of the numbers of 2007 Goa assembly elections. No party was voted to form government nor congress was voted to form govt. Congress-NCP alliance which was formed before elections got altogether 19 seats( 16-Congress, 3-NCP) which is not majority at all. Also it is the duty of opposition party whoever it may be to raise voices against non-performing government. looking at the past 7 months of DK govt, i think it is at its worst and no one needs to prove it. It seems DK his company seems more interested in admiring semi-nude beauty in Carnival than providing shelter, clothing to the much needed aam admi aam aurat. Regards, Kamalaksh
[Goanet] Representation by Utt Goenkara to political parties
To Goanet - A few weeks ago, the activists of Utt Goenkara made a representation to all the major political parties in Goa. Their statement may be downloaded from - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/utt-goenkara.pdf More information on Utt Goenkara at - http://www.uttgoenkara.org/ They can be contacted directly at - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, r Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[Goanet] Kerkar Art Complex: Kathak dance performance
Kerkar Art Complex organizes concerts of Indian Classical Dance and Music every Tuesday from 6:45 to 8:30 p.m. during the tourist season. This is the only place in Goa where concerts of Indian Classical Dance and Music are organized on a regular basis. On Tuesday, 5th February 2008 there will be a Kathak dance performance by Mamta Husain. She will be accompanied by Amit Bhosle and Vishwas Chari. This will be followed by a Sitar concert by Manab Das. He will be accompanied by Maruti Kurdekar on Tabla. Goanet AE http://www.goanet.org
[Goanet] Gandhi
Dears, Great classification Chinmay Bhandare, Adolf Hitler is now the world's best known PATRIOT. Perhaps Rockfeller Institute or Fundacao Gulbenkian will honour him one of these days. Through his untimely death, he missed the Nobel Prize for Medicine, bitter though it was ;-) The Nobel Prize is not given posthumously. I wonder why the HJS Dharmatej folks felicitate mini-patriots like Rajendra Subhash Velingker, whose patriotism is limited to breaking and/or defacing name plaques of streets in Fontainhas? Small people have small minds and get small thrills, huh? For their sterling performance, such patriots should at least be given the state's Yashdamini Awards. That will have to await the change in dispensation. One set of misguided patriots that I can recall are those patriot missiles George Bush used in Iraq. ;-) Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:57:29 -0800 (PST) From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Gandhi Wow! All the murderers, including suicide bombers, of this world will be pleased to know they aremisguided and not criminal. I am sure victims should feel better they were not killed by humananimals like Godse, but merely misguided folk. Regards, George --- Bhandare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His [GANDHI'S] assasin, nathuram Godse, too was not a criminal. I would classify him as a misguided patriot. -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] People's Opposition - a Wake up call for Goa's Political Leadership
PEOPLE'S OPPOSITION - A WAKE UP CALL FOR GOA'S POLITICAL LEADERSHIP When a mother is stripped of her dignity, her charms crudely paraded and turned into a saleable commodity, then, it is the bounden duty of every true son and daughter of the family to join forces and pull together to protect the beleaguered mother's honour. Goa is our motherland. And Goans are a family bound together with ties that stem from a common identity, culture, history and sense of community. That is why Chief Secretary J.P. Singh feels that we over participate in democracy, while Governor Jamir patronizingly advises us to shed our negative mindset. The latest to unleash a barrage on this front has been Chief Minister Digambar Kamat, who articulated his opinion that there is no point in simply opposing everything. It is high time that Goans made up their mind on whether they want industries to set shop in the state. On top of the Government's wish list apparently, is a compliant, docile public, who will unprotestingly accept the sarkar's unilateral vision of development. That the people have said yes to industry has been made abundantly clear by now, through their sacrifices in giving up their precious land, acquired by the Government of Goa for the various industrial estates that have sprouted like festering sores all over the state. Today decades down the line, painful reality has hit home, and a once trusting populace has realized that the faith has been betrayed time and again by the custodians of the collective assets of the community. Industries have been permitted offering no desirable employment to Goans. All that the locals have received is rampant, unchecked pollution of the environment, rapacious plundering of community resources like groundwater, because a government cannot deliver on its promises of water supply to these establishments. And to add to the distress of the people is an overwhelming change in the demographic profile and the inevitable swamping of the local culture in the villages. Unfulfilled promises and unrealized aspirations are all that this development has brought the people. The constant opposition to development projects in Goa should serve as a wake up call to the political leadership of the state, because it points to the fact that elected Governments are no longer trusted by the people whose representatives they claim to be. The lack of transparency when initiating and implementing projects certainly provides ample scope for suspicion. And the administration seems to have cold bloodedly abdicated its responsibility of carrying the people along with it in its thought processes. When democracy degenerates into mere tokenism, then a government loses its moral legitimacy in the eyes of the people. It was only the people's protest that saved Goa from destruction through the Regional Plan 2011. Again, in the case of SEZs, it is only when the people came out in the streets to assert their collective will that the Chief Minister cared to sit up and make a study of the issue and its implications for Goa and Goans. Even today, an insensitive and unresponsive Government has not cared to institute an independent, objective inquiry and address the concerns of the citizens who have filed an FIR against GIDC Directors, who allegedly squandered public assets entrusted to their care and flouted rules and procedures. With such a blatant lack of accountability in the administration, and corruption levels at an all time high, trust in the Government and public servants has sunk to such abysmal levels, that any project or policy decision is looked upon with suspicion and mistrust by the people. Development projects must be envisaged keeping in mind the local environment, the social cost to the people and the cost benefit ratio that will accrue. What is the people's concept of development? What is the price they are prepared to pay for it? Is the bottom line only economics and money? Are the people prepared to sacrifice their identity, culture, community spirit, indeed, their way of life for the Government's idea of development? Can the Government of the day advocate and promote development that will result in our future generations not being able to afford a tiny corner of land to call their own? But most of all, do any of the political parties have a long term vision for Goa that will stand up to the scrutiny of the people? For we are told time and again, that development is for the benefit of the people. Elected representatives can no longer presume that they and they alone know what's best for the people and the place. Because the Portuguese left Goa some 46 years ago. Diana Pinto
Re: [Goanet] Noise Pollution
The demand for legitimizing 'Noise Pollution' in the State. After the Transport (bus and truck) operator's deadline to the government to scrap the speed regulators or else.. the GTEA along with the political parties are drumming support for increased noise pollution. One cannot but marvel at the gall these guys have. I am the general secretary of 'Goa Environmental Action Group' a NGO established in 1997 mainly to fight wide-spread and indiscriminate noise pollution in the state caused by funnel or horn speakers. I am also the general secretary and the co-founder of the Goa Su-Raj Party established in the year 2000 with the main objective - to prove that 'politricks', which is the common fare dished out today, is not 'politics' that should be, and that politics need not be dirty, it can also be clean. I am also on the citizen's committee (North Goa) constituted by the High Court of Bombay at Goa which is exploring ways and means to contain the noise pollution in general which is on the increase. I have gone to the High Court in suo moto writ Petition No. 97 of 1997 on noise pollution and since then I have been fighting tooth and nail to get redress. I have restrained myself from going into 'Contempt of Court' so far. But that situation could change. Slow but steadily the awakening has come to the people of Goa about the ill effects of noise pollution on children, students, the sick and the elderly, but the pro-noise forces are becoming ever so emboldened due to the lax implementation of the laws and rules in force. I have been shouting from roof-tops all this while that Madhya Pradesh Control of Loud Music (one page) Act is inadequate for a State like Goa whose people grow up with music in their blood, and that it should be replaced with a more stringent indigenous Act which will protect our culture which goes hand in hand with music, and at the same time protect us from the crippling noise pollution. Prior to my going to Court in 1997, I had approached Dr. Wilfred D'Souza, the long serving medicine man turned legislator, literally begging him to introduce a 'private member's bill' in the Goa Legislative Assembly to bring the noise pollution menace, which was getting out of hand, to order. His response to me was you draft the required bill and I will have it passed He had also made the following statement in the presence of others at his residence. When my neighbour is enjoying, who am I to tell him to stop? To that I had asked the good doctor Your neighbour is enjoying himself at ungodly hour by tying a horn speaker to the highest tree, at what cost? And in frustration I had told him If Goa's 40 MLAs cannot bring in a piece of legislation which Goa badly needs to save its sanity as well as its music loving culture and instead has to rely on a one page imported lame Act from Madhya Pradresh, it is a shame I am sad to say that the same Dr. Wilfred D'Souza, having failed to bring in amendment to the 10 p.m. deadline for playing of loud music in public and open spaces, is today dancing to the tune of 'noise polluters' who want to make money at the cost of the peace and sanity, in the name of tourism. There are a lot of arguments put forth in favour of increasing the dead-line from 10 p.m. to 12 p.m. One such argument is about Christian weddings, Church, Temple functions etc. I am a son of Goa and I have grown up in Goa to weddings, Church and Temple functions et al. At that time there were no amplifying systems by virtue of there being no electricity. We used to have weddings, dances, tiatrs just a well and everyone entertained themselves to the hilt without there being complaints. On the contrary these were eagerly looked for and it used to be a pleasure to dance to the sweet natural music striking the whole night long upto 4-5 a.m. As a teenager, I remember having come home at 6 in the morning from wedding and dances. 'Alwaratzs' (special musical interludes) where brass bands used to strike at 4 a.m. on local church feast days with no one complaining. Enter civilization through electrification, we got funnel speakers blaring out distorted amplified bajaans and devotional/film songs day in and day out from 4 a.m till 2 a.m especially during festive seasons. I could write a book on my struggle with the funnel speakers. The Rural Development Agency (RDA) made it worse by dishing out this noise generating units at subsidized rates to generate employment where 2 funnel speakers and an amplifier could be had by anyone owning a bicycle so that this could be rented out for local functions. Thus the proliferation of religious functions and noise to destroy the unique peace and tranquility of pristine villages of Goa. As according the Dr. Wilfred D'Souza, it is okay if someone wants to enjoy music or wants to test his/their tonsils over the microphone with no consideration for the neighbour, because he needs their votes. Most often, I found the inmates of the respective
[Goanet] Konkani Amchi Mai, Konkani Amkam Zai [KAMKAZ]
New Milestone for Konkani Tomazinho Cardozo It was a moment of pride and honour for every Konkani loving person to see on 27th January 2008 at 10 p.m. , Mandd Sobhann, a cultural organization from Mangalore under the leadership of Shri. Eric Ozario and other choral groups singing harmoniously and continuously for 40 hours in the unique programme Konkani Nirantari' and breaking the existing world record of 36 hours created by 'Comunidade Evangelica Luterna Sao Paulo, Brazil on July 3rd and 4th in 2004. For the first time, in the history of Konkani language, Konkani - its song and music - found a deserving place in the Guinness Book of World Records. Hats off to Shri. Eric Ozario, his team of dedicated artistes and the cultural organization, Mandd Sobhann. I was a witness to this great event. I was pleasantly surprised to see a flawless presentation with foolproof coordination that adhered to all the rules and regulations set by the Committee of the Guinness Book of World Records. The Guinness Book of World Records, an annual publication since 1955, lists records for a wide variety of sports, stunts and other natural phenomena. Each record must be verified by the investigator before it can be included. The very existence of Guinness Book generates a great number of attempts to establish records of feats that few people would otherwise attempt. Some of the important norms of making an effort to enter the Guinness Book of World Records through choral singing are:- ? Each singing group should have not less than 30 singers and no singer can participate in more than one group. ? No song can be repeated. ? The time gap between the end of one song and the beginning of the other song cannot exceed 30 seconds. ? No song should be of duration of less than three and half minutes. ? Singers of age less than 14 years cannot participate in this programme while those between the ages of 14 to 18 years have to get written permission from their parents. ? Prelude of the song must be as brief as possible and no interlude is allowed during the rendition of the song. ? Humming in the course of singing the song is banned. ? No solo or duet singing is permitted while different voices - alto, tenor, etc. - are encouraged to make the song pleasant and harmonious. ? The whole programme should be recorded and must be conducted in the presence of the Adjudicator deputed by the Committee of the Guinness Book of World Records. 'Konkani Nirantari' which was inaugurated by Rev. Dr. Aloysius Paul D'Souza, Bishop of Mangalore Diocese on 26th January 2008, sharp at 5.45 a. m., got to its flying start at 6.00 a.m. sharp with 'SRA Sisters' - a troupe consisting solely of nuns, making an impressive presentation of melodious singing. In fact the existing record of 36 hours was broken on 27th January, the next day at 6.00 p.m. when the jam-packed Kala Angann Theatre gave a standing ovation to Mandd Sobhann for achieving a unique feat at the international level. This mega event saw 43 singing troupes perform, out which 37 were from Mangalore Diocese itself. Two troupes from Goa , two from Bombay and one from Bangalore and Mysore each also participated in the event. The total number of singers who participated in the event was 1711 who rendered 645 different songs in Konkani. Each troupe presented about 14 to 15 songs within a period of approximately 60 minutes. The next song started within a time gap of 5 to 10 seconds. The change over from one group to another was meticulously planned and that too took place within 5 to 10 seconds. On the whole, the singing was impressive and well-coordinated with different voices blending harmoniously together. The Adjudicator, Mr. Keith Pullin, who was deputed by the Committee of the Guinness Book of World Records, observed everything that was happening with his eagle like eyes. When I contacted him after about 23 hours of singing and asked for his comment on the performance he remarked, The show is excellent. The organizers have taken care of the smallest of the small things to ensure fool-proof organizational professionalism. If the same trend continues till the end, I shall be handing over to them the prestigious certificate from the Committee of the Guinness Book of World Records. And the marathon 40 hours singing by multiple singers ended at 10 p.m. on 27th January without any flaws. A new record was established. The flag of Konkani rose to the highest level due to the untiring efforts of our fellow brothers in Mangalore. A feat of such a magnitude was possible only because of the love the Mangaloreans have towards their mother tongue, Konkani. It was possible because of the unity among the Konkani-loving people in Mangalore. They strengthened their unity by maintaining the script of their choice, Kannada, for their mother tongue, Konkani. In unity, they resisted and defeated all the moves of vested interests to impose Devnagori script for Konkani on them. They are happy and are prospering
[Goanet] Ivana completes hattrick, Anirudh first in Boys!
Double World Under 8 Champion Ivana Furtado created another record by winning the Goa Under 9 Girls category for the third consecutive time. In the last round which was played at the BPS Club Margao, she beat Gauri Hadkonkar to finish with a perfect score of 5 out 5 possible points. Gauri had to remain content with the second place in this keenly contested event. Ivana was felicitated on the occasion by reputed table tennis coach Subodh Shevde and presented a cash award as well. She will now represent Goa along with 4 other girls - Gauri Hadkonkar (4 pts), Riya Sawant (4 pts), Saloni Bandekar (4 pts) and Sakshi Prabhu (3 pts) - in the upcoming National Under 9 Girls Chess Championship to be played in New Delhi from the 28th of April. Riya Sawant, who stood in the top 10 in two National Championships in the same year, was also felicitated at the prize distribution and given a cash award. In the Boys section, it was Anirudh Bhat of Margao with 6 points who stood first after drawing with Ritviz Parab in the crucial last round. Anirudh built up a strong position and actually was slightly better when Ritviz offered him a draw. He gleefully accepted as he knew that half a point would suffice to give him the title. The boys team that will represent Goa in the upcoming Nationals includes Anirudh Bhat, Ritviz Parab (5.5 pts), Saish Bandodkar (5.5 pts) and Snehil Shetty (5 pts). The tournament was jointly organised by the Curchorem Chess Club and BPS Sports Club. Santosh George, who is the Secretary of BPS Sports Club, was the Chief Guest for the Prize Distribution. Dattaram Pinge and Avinash Malvankar were the chief arbiters and Standrik Colaco did the pairings. Incidentally, both the winners - Ivana and Anirudh - are being coached by Dronacharya awardee Raghunandan Gokhale. SOURCE: Sameer Salgaocar - President - GSCA
Re: [Goanet] what's ur problem
Dears, Attaboy Pravin! Now everyone knows where the matter stands. #The Goa Police have no courage to convert the SVM complaint of October, 2007, into a FIR ...even after a demonstration in the Police HQ. #Manohar-bab is yet to file a police complaint or a defamation case against CM and others if he has watertight alibi for what he was doing in Mumbai by cancelling his scheduled programmes in Goa. # SVM baiters are yet to understand what is happening on the ground. [Their armchairs are too comfortable ...and there is the broadband connectivity!] #SEZ is another ball game altogther. One needs a ball to play it. ;-) #Walking is a healthy exercise and an alternative to keep the lungs and minds healthy. # As Dr. Oscar Rebello wrote in the GT today, the world is not divided into the Saffron V/s Rest of the World teams. # Parrikar haters do not necessarily go to bed with Diggu, with whom he has shared a Political bed of convenience till January, 2005! Dr. Anand, Anil and others seem to conveniently forget all that. Viva Carnival. Mog asundi. Miguel -- From: Pravin Sabnis Dear Anil First things first, I am not a supporter of the SVM, I am an Activist of the SVM who talks less in the media and more on the ground. Even on ground when I talk,I target Rane, Alex, Luzinho, GIDC, GCCI and Digambar -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
[Goanet] Shri Saptkoteshwar temple of Opa
from www.goapluses.com Shri Saptkoteshwar temple of Opa Rohit R Phalgaonkar Anant-urj Desh during the Kadamb period, and later called the Antruj Mahal during AdilShahi period, is today's Ponda taluka. This taluka has great historic significance as many deities chose to reside in this taluka after the 16th century. The Kadambs, the Vijaynagar, the Bahamani had their sway over this taluka. Later, the Portuguese acquired this taluka from Adilshah of Bijapur and added it to the list of Nova Conquistas. In this taluka, on the banks of River Khandepar, lies the untouched village of Khandepar, named after the river. The village finds a place in many copperplate inscriptions. Traversing through the village, one will come across a small temple complex in the small hamlet of Opa. Here, a striking exposed laterite stone temple of Shri Saptkoteshwar overlooks the River Khandepar. The temple is built on a beautiful Ghaat. The temple has no recorded history. No references to any king or queen building this temple or ordering it to be built in particular are found on any copperplates or inscriptions. However, deity Shri Saptkoteshwar's name is found inscribed on every record of the Kadamb dynasty. Copperplates and gold coins of Kadamb Kings like Tribhuvanmall and Jaikeshi; Degamve stone inscription of Kadamb King Shivchith and his Queen Kamladevi makes a special mention of this deity. Shri Saptkoteshwar was the family deity of the Kadamb dynasty who was invoked on every occasion. The copperplates of Vimn Mantri (1348 AD) also make a mention of this temple. He was then called as Saptnath. Dr. Mitragotri opines that the temple was renovated during the Vijaynagar period. The Vijaynagar dynasty seems to have introduced the art of building domes in Goa. Domes similar to this temple are found on the gateways of Hampi. Architecturally, the overall temple displays a strong Vijaynagar influence. The temple is a 3-tier structure crowned with a small dome. The 'Kallas' is in the shape of a bud. Two laterite stone 'Nandis' and elephants are placed on each corner below the dome. They appear to guard the temple in all four cardinal directions. Such sculptures are seen placed on the roofs of South Indian temples. Very few laterite stone sculptures of that era are available in Goa. Laterite being unsuitable for carving was avoided by sculptors. Nevertheless, efforts were made by a few to carve images out of laterite. The niches on the walls of the water tank of Shri Saptkoteshwar in Diwar, built during the Kadamb period, are carved out of laterite stone. The temple of Shri Madhav Ganpati in Shiroda also has a laterite stone image lying outside. It is seen that Shri Saptkoteshwar temple of Opa Khandepar is the only temple in Goa having sculptures of animals placed on its roof. The temple has a very small Sabhaamandap. A stunning image of a Nandi, probably of Talco chlorite schist, is placed right in the centre of the Sabhaamandap. The doorjambs of the sanctum are carved of Talco chlorite schist stone and have Kadamb motifs. Shri Saptkoteshwar is worshipped in the form of a 'Ling'. The temple being situated in a low-lying area gets half submerged in river water during the monsoons. Due to this, a lot of moss and plants are seen growing on the walls of the temple; these plant roots have the ability of penetrating deep inside the walls and damaging them. The temple is a protected monument by the Department of Archives and Archaeology, Goa. As Goans, we should be concerned about our heritage and should not allow it to perish.
Re: [Goanet] Pamphlet Circulated for Hindu Dharmajagruti Sabha - protest against MF Husain !!
I have made my protest clear on the comments page. This has been going on for some time now, but for NDTV to promote MF Hasain is an insult to all Hindu-practicising peoples also those of other religions. To debase another person's God or other deities is not a decent thing to do. I can well imagine what blasphemy laws would be brought out the culprit charged imprisoned (or hanged or stoned to death) in some countries. But to nominate this so-called artist a prize for this disgusting work is sheer lunacy. I find his (where the subjects ARE clothed, who just happen to be his relatives or those of other faiths, except those who are Hindu deities, which for whatever wharped reasoning he has painted all in the nude, in various poses, which are tantamount to being lunacy on his part), his paintings not at all done well, NDTV will not be a News channel I will follow or watch while this alien nomination is still valid. John Monteiro
[Goanet] Certificate 18 videos from Amchem Sobit Goem
Dear Goanetters, WARNING : A) The videos below contain graphic violence and strong language ( including Konkani 4 letter words for nostalgic effects ) B) Reproduction of any content in several different forms is likely to recur and freely permissible during Congress rule in Goa . http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ayapBdx998 http://youtube.com/watch?v=xJgpiWzASqc Not one Congress MLA or minister has made a statement to date condemning the politician involved . The CM is still studying the issue ( following which he will form an apolitical committee to study the issue following which he will publish a white paper following which he will drag his battered coccyx to Madam Sonia for further therapy following which he will a) either do nothing or b) more likely , reward the politician with a lucrative ministry ) Contrast this with how these Congress corrupticians were lining up in droves to castigate Matanhy Saldanha for his tourists stay away statement. Perhaps we should glue down the gluteal regions of this CM and his congress chums to their kodels with ARALDITE or some similar stuff and forget all about Amchem Sobit Goem . luv and regards , anand ( Dr Anand Virgincar ) _ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com
[Goanet] P Sainath: Visible Work, Invisible Women flyer
The Sainath exhibition described below will be taking place from 4th-7th February in KALA ACADEMY, GOA, as part of the D.D. Kosambi celebrations. Sainath himself will be speaking on the 6th February. www.sais-jhu.edu/programs/asia/southasia/sa_events/sa_event_flyers/p_sainath_flyer_photo_exhibit.pdf Visible Work, Invisible Women When thousands of women, mostly landless labourers, queued up in Vizag city in India to see a photo exhibition less than 40 months ago, it was an unusual one on their own lives. Consisting of about 70 black and white photographs with text, the exhibition is on Women Work in Rural India. It is titled Visible Work, Invisible Women... The pictures, shot in ten states across the country by journalist P. Sainath, show the astonishing labour that poor women put in every day of their lives and the gigantic -- yet unacknowledged -- contribution they make to the national economy. A contribution worth, literally, tens of billions of dollars. Each of ten panels deals with different kinds of work that women do. The text details the scope, significance and centrality of that labour to the Indian economy, particularly to agriculture. The exhibition has so far been seen by over half a million people in several venues in the east, west, north and south of India. One set has also toured over 20 venues in the United States and Canada. It was shown at the Asia Society, New York in November 2002. In this time, it has collected 29 notebooks full of comments in nine languages from all over India. Hundreds of pages with literally thousands of comments. It was inaugurated in Vizag city in late November 2001 by four of the landless women agricultural labourers who figure in the photographs. They sang a song of working women from the fields and declared it open. ... -- Question everything -- Karl Marx
[Goanet] Goa news for February 5, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Goa carnival kicks off with Samba beats - CNN-IBN BN, India - [Feb 3, 2008] Big Chill, a music festival with a difference is coming to India for the first time and heading straight to Goa. Panaji In Goa, the celebrations have begun. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://www.ibnlive.com/news/goa-carnival-kicks-off-with-samba-beats/58045-3.htmlcid=1127491293ei=Dq6nR6hHk6CrA-iw3ZUN *** I-League Preview: Sporting Club de Goa JCT - Goal.com [13 hours ago] I-League Preview: Sporting Club de Goa JCT JCTs away record in hasnt been upto the mark and they hope to get it right when they meet Sporting Club de ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://www.goal.com/en-india/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=573285cid=1128308224ei=Dq6nR6hHk6CrA-iw3ZUN *** Militant reveals plans to trigger explosions in Karnataka, Goa - Hindustan Times [Feb 3, 2008] PTI A suspected militant arrested last month has told police that he was to carry out bomb blasts in 11 places in Karnataka and Goa, including IT campuses ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindustantimes.com/Redir.aspx?ID=52cd2212-9628-41d3-b9c8-587c8643cf1acid=1127822493ei=Dq6nR6hHk6CrA-iw3ZUN *** Mumbai, Goas beaches, Gujarat were terror targets - Daily News Analysis [19 hours ago] Riyazuddin Nasir and his henchmenhad also planned to set off a series of blasts on Goas beaches, when they are crowded with tourists. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1149009cid=1128368969ei=Dq6nR6hHk6CrA-iw3ZUN *** Cadets bring laurels to Karnataka and Goa - Hindu [Feb 3, 2008] BANGALORE: The joy of these cadets knew no bounds, forthey were able to uphold the traditions of the Karnataka and Goa National Cadet Corps (NCC) ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/2008/02/04/stories/2008020455920500.htmcid=1128502754ei=Dq6nR6hHk6CrA-iw3ZUN *** Plans for serial blasts in Bangalore, Goa foiled - CNN-IBN BN, India - [Feb 3, 2008] THE BEST-LAID PLANS: Three men suspected of being LeT terrorists have been nabbed for planning blasts in Goa and Bangalore. BJP, Cong, SP blame each other ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.ibnlive.com/news/plans-for-serial-blasts-in-bangalore-goa-foiled/58063-3.htmlcid=0ei=Dq6nR6hHk6CrA-iw3ZUN *** Islamist terrorists planned blasts in Goa - Hindu [Feb 1, 2008] HYDERABAD: Islamist fundamentalists planned serial blasts on the Goa beaches, interrogationof Hyderabad resident Raziuddin Nasir has revealed. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/2008/02/02/stories/2008020259721200.htmcid=0ei=Dq6nR6hHk6CrA-iw3ZUN *** Rama wins Mr Goa title - Navhind Times [21 hours ago] Margao, Feb 3 Rama Bhat of SAG Shiroda won the #152;Mr Goa title at the 1st all-Goa body building championships organised by Agni SC in collaboration with ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=020413cid=0ei=Dq6nR6hHk6CrA-iw3ZUN *** India says rebels planned Goa strikes - Middle East Times [7 hours ago] 4 (UPI) -- Indian intelligence agencies said Islamist fundamentalists planned serial bomb blasts in Goa, a tourist destination popular with Israeli visitors ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.metimes.com/Security/2008/02/04/india_says_rebels_planned_goa_strikes/ac12/cid=1127173598ei=Dq6nR6hHk6CrA-iw3ZUN *** Goa State Information Commission slaps - Navhind Times [4 hours ago] Panaji, Feb 4 The Goa State Information Commission has slapped a fine of Rs 1000 on Mr M Porob, the deemed Public Information Officer when he was working in ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=020513cid=0ei=Dq6nR6hHk6CrA-iw3ZUN Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
Re: [Goanet] Salvation of non-Christians / Religion vs science
From Fr. Ivo's post (quoting Santosh's characterizations) in Rejoinder-1 appears like: The scientist has now become the Inquisitor and the padre is the supurlo Goenkar.:=)) Humor aside, the following is a reality-check on Theoretical and Applied sciences. In my field of Radiation Oncology, (treatment of cancer with radiation), we have two research arms - clinical research involving patient treatment outcomes; and a basic-science field called Radio-Biology. The radio-biologists are non-physicians, whose background and forte are mainly mathematics and statistics. These scientists come up with algorithmic and linear curves of cell growth and cell decline (kill), and develop complicated formulas of how cancer cells and normal cells behave and how radiation works. Then they are into meta-analysis and more recently into 'Cochran analysis' and a whole host of computer modeling and theoretical constructs. Yet in more than 50 years after the existence of this basic-science of radio-biology, they have contributed very little to the practical application of clinical radiation oncology. ALL repeat ALL ... their theories and recommendation, on how to use the radiation, when put into practice have failed to achieve the results they predicted. Of course, then these scientists come up with reasons why the results were not achieved and are different. And then they come up with a new construct / philosopy which becomes the model d jour, generating even more scientific papers, review articles and textbooks. In the meantime, Radiation Oncology has progressed with human trials and common sense logic, as to what works in terms of radiation dose and the techniques of its administration. Yet the important contributions of radio-biology to our field are: 1. They may provide a theoretical explanations for responses and results seen in the practice of patient care. 2. Radio-biologists keep the physicians on a narrow scientific path; making sure that our conclusions are truly supported by the underlying data, meet statistical significance and are not merely statistical coincidences. Thus the practicing doctors need the theoreticians; and the theoreticians need the clinicians. So too is the relation between religion and science. These two very independent disciplines need each other to keep both groups honest and striving to be better. As stated, the philosophical and theoretical constructs are merely concepts in an individual's mind. At the time in history, they may best explain the observed facts. As these observations change with time and improved technology, these constructs in retrospect my look ridiculous. Yet for a time they served a purpose to understand / explain events till other data was available or our understanding evolved. Our future is built on our past. And today will be the past of tomorrow. I would give only two cents for the opinion of a clergy regarding science; and the same amount to the scientists for their opinion on God and religion. And perhaps the non-experts in these two fields would have to pay me to read their views.:=)) Regards, GL
[Goanet] God and you
Dear Brothers and sisters God did not want to create human beings as equal. What I actually mean is that God did not create human beings all having the same quantity of wealth . There is a purpose in this so that every one rich or poor are depended on each other for smooth running of the world's processes. It is immaterial how much you have got but what matters is how happy you are in this world and whther you are able to share this happiness to others.When we hold a lighted match stick near a candle the wick absorbs the heat and light and the wick starts giving out light. It starts getting burnt. Today many rich people have too much on their small head. Many are worried whether they will achieve salvation and are running this side and that side. Many people want to put on false face marks to create an impression that they have possessed godliness and holiness in them. If today Christianity was a true religion we would not have seen suffering on earth. We would not have seen depression engulfing each and everyone of us. Today christianity has become a mere label in which we are grouped. Love has been replaced with greediness and lust. We have built in born hatred and greed. Today the parents have replaced love with money. Children have been given ATM cards. Withdraw as much as you want. Do what you want. Today we see single parents. we are not bothered about our children and the effect of separation it will have on our beloved children. Pride has made mothers worse than animals. We grumble about deliquency without trying to find remedy for the same. Whe we have a mighty God to rule us, to love us and to care for us we go after earthly rulers, earthly lovers, etc etc .The earth has an end, heaven does not. Man has an end God does not . There is a vast ocean separating God from us because we do not have faith in GOd. albert _ Post ads for free - to sell, rent or even buy.www.yello.in http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=186
Re: [Goanet] Goanet.....and To kill a Mocking-bird
B) Vidyadhar-bab says : 1) Many people who have serious problems with the BJP do not belong to the categories I mentioned. 2) My question as to why mild / moderate persons support BJP in spite of knowing their Hindutva agenda and their links with pro-Hindu organisations is irrelevent. change that to all staunch anti-BJP persons. 2) I feel my question above is still extremely relevant . It is one which I seriously doubt many , if not most, staunch anti-BJP persons on this forum have been presented with before . Don't know if I would describe myself as 'staunch anti-BJP', would prefer some more positive label like 'pro-social justice' or For Liberty, Equality and Fraternity :-) But jokes apart, yes, till the BJP dumps its communal politics I would be unequivocally opposed to it. The question you raise above does come up in people's minds all too often. You think it's very nice to find oneself actually finding the Congress a better choice, given the Congress's long history of acts of commission and omission? Note that finding the Congress tolerable is a strictly relative activity. The Sangh Parivar's virulent brand of hate politics has ended up polarising Indian society and politics in such a way that anything looks better than that. Yes, EVEN the Congress. Apart from corruption, the Congress also has a bad record in the area of communalism. It has often indulged in or connived at communalism, most horrifically in the 1984 anti-Sikh riots. The Congress does little or nothing to promote secularism. But communalism is not part of its ideology, only of its convenience. After the 1984 anti-Sikh violence, one did not see Congress leaders asking for votes on the basis of their communal track record, as one sees BJP luminaries do, most starkly in Gujarat. The BJP could become perfectly acceptable to many people if it were to shed its communalism. 1. Break all links with the RSS and publicly repudiate the ideology of Hindutva. 2. Apologise to the nation for the vandalism of the Babri Masjid and make efforts to rebuild the original mosque. 3. Apologise for the Gujarat communal cleansing of 2002, and bring those responsible to justice. But for the BJP, Hindutva is a core ideology, a raison d'etre. And its links with the Sangh Parivar are too deep-rooted. As Vajpayee once famously said, The Sangh is my soul. So somehow the BJP doing this seems unlikely... Don't know if this answers your questions, I just followed a train of thought set off by them. In this depressing scenario, how one wishes for a progressive, secular third force in Indian politics, one which has a realistic chance of winning elections. But this also seems unlikely, so one is left with the depressing choice you mention, in which even the Congress appears better. Like Karl Marx , we need to question everything Indeed! :-) -- I wept because I had no answers, until I met a man who had no questions -- John David Stone
Re: [Goanet] Konkani Amchi Mai, Konkani Amkam Zai [KAMKAZ]
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 01:16:41 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Konkani Amchi Mai, Konkani Amkam Zai [KAMKAZ] New Milestone for Konkani Tomazinho Cardozo Moi moipassachea mogal Miguel, Amkan que'nam, koxém povunk, aikunk meutolém i amché Konkni mai-baxechi gumtan-guitanchi tsunami? Tumkam sogleank Konkni sorvorank vodd ghott porbhim divun, Tumchó, vodd daduxi, Alfred _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, and Issue 142
For better clarity I had to take up two messages in one single post therefore I could not take both the threads in one posting. In Message: 1, dtd Sun, 3 Feb 2008 21:46:23 -0800 Miguel Braganza under subject: [Goanet] Where are all the Parrikar baiters, haters gone? Writes quite good comments of which I have picked up two interesting comments which read as follows: 1st Comment: ... The Tomcat [earlier in GT] has given names of the Raheja siblings who allegedly met Manohar [among others] in Mumbai. We are not talking of Bandra Fest, so more information is due.. 2nd Comment: What proof will be good? An air ticket to Mumbai on the relevant dates can be justified as a business trip [Manohar bab is a known businessman in Mapusa] or meeting with BJP leaders in Mumbai [Manohar-bab is a known politician, too] or visiting family, IIT-Powai, friends, etc. A taxi to Bandra would not issue receipts of which a duplicate is available. Chai bills of the Raheja siblings is unlikely to be in their name. So what Proof can one produce. It is not as it someone was raped and the torn hymen or scratches on the body can be shown as evidence. Board room games and politics leave no evidence ...save the take over. In the instant case, even the takeover bid failed. In the same digest under Message: 7 dtd Sun, 3 Feb 2008 21:59:37 -0800 Miguel Braganza under subject [Goanet] Reporting suspicions, sensationalism/voyeurism and journalistic responsibilities. In this message too he writes yet another master piece comments. He starts this message as under: Whether this is a frame up against the priest for some other reason or, the rather unlikely event of it being the truth in this case, can only be determined by a DNA test. He ends up his message with: Some time back, one English newspaper had carried a slanderous report about the parents of a girl hacking her to death with a coito, but now the police case is that it was her sister-in-law's paramour who did it. Many people unnecessarily doubted the aged parents from Nachinola only because of the police leak and the newspaper front page report. I wonder what the reporters/editors would do if someone talked loosely about their parents or siblings, if they have any. We need to show some responsibility. MY COMMENTS ON BOTH THE MESSAGES: I wonder how a same person can write contradictory interpretations on the same day and almost at the same time. In message No 1 he produces what is written by tomcat (as is pronounced by Miguel) as the gospel truth almost stating that it's a full proof!! In the same message under 2nd comment he almost admits that full proof can not be produced stating that board room games and politics leave no evidence. Fine I have no problem on this, but Miguel must not forget what Goan Observer has written about the same episode. Both versions are diametrically opposite. So, the so called proof is diluted to no proof!! In his second message, about the rape case against priest, he takes a different stand saying that news paper news cannot be taken as gospel truth and that it must have been initiated to frame up the priest. If one reads both the messages together one can easily come to conclusion that news paper version of stories need not be true and they can be initiated to frame any person and or his personality as per Miguel's interpretations. Under this condition is it okay to apply news paper versions as true for what suits the ambiance and negate the same when it does not suit the ambiance! Any way, cat is out to gossip saying - a Chairmanship of a lucrative government awaits the person who comes out with the right proof. Let's work towards finding right proof without castigating any one in the net and kill two birds in one shoot. What say? If any one is interested to read Konkani version on this issue please follow the link: http://www.goanews.com/pdf/suna040208.pdf Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] Pictures of the Day (Feb 4, 2008)
To Goanet - A sight for the Gods: fronds, the Church of the Assumption of Our Lady, and the Arabian Sea. Taken from the hillock at Cansaulim - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/velsao.jpg You can now see concrete jutting out in a couple of places (not in the frame), something that wasn't there 6 months ago. Sao Jacinto island - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/saojacinto.jpg As you may have guessed, the ghatis have taken a liking to this island, too. Regards, r Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[Goanet] Gandhi
Thanks to all those who responded on this topic. I will ignore the usual suspects and respond to some interesting points made by Pravin, Venantius and george. George, I am sorry for having misread you. Which war is just and which one is unjust is itself a difficult question. That bein said my point was that if killing a fellow human being is a crime then all our certified heroes like bhagat singh and others should be treated on par with Godse. Do you agree with this ? Venantius, i am glad that you agree with me.The reason i called Godse a misguided patriot is simply because of a lack of any other good term. In fact because godse killed Gandhi , Gandhism got a fresh lease of life. Had Gandhi been allowed to experiment with his ideas maybe Gandhism would have died a quicker death.I would rather want gandhism dead than Gandhi. Interestingly gandhi himself had called Chatrapati shivaji, rana pratap and Guru Gobind Singh as misguided patriots himself. Pravin, can you please explain why Bhagat singh is a hero and Godse isnt? Godse too died at the young age of 39. Lke Bhagat singh he refused to plead innocent and forbid anyone from filing a mercy petition on his behalf. Both acted to safeguard their country. I am curius where and why you draw the line. In fact the administration acted cruelly in Godse's case and refused to hang him in Pune thereby deprivng his old parents a chance to meet him for the last time. The date was kept secret and the ground where he was hanged was ploughed over to revent a memorial coming up at the spot. The Congress government proscribed his brothers writings and stiffled all discussin about the man and vilified him no end. The RSS was accused of being complicit and banned and so was savarkar. Bothe were acquitted honorably because evidence suggested Godse was acting alone.The ban was lifted to. regards B Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [Goanet] Reporting suspicions, sensationalism/voyeurism
--- Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not know what medical examination of a woman who has borne a child and has been married for quite some time would reveal about the alleged rape after 18 months. Such information is virtually revealing the identity of the victim of sexual offence that is prohibited by Indian law. I wonder if the many vocal women's organisations will take up this issue of the breach of law, whether the alleged rape is proved or not. -- Dear Miguel, This was exactly the point I had made when the teacher was allegedly accused of molestation. That, this so-called examination of the victim is irrelevant and incapable of determining any evidence either for or against the perpetrator. Such an act by the Goa Police department is a flagrant violation of the victim's rights, but more importantly it's a blatant display of ignorance and ineptitude by the Goa police. As we would say in Shasti, koddunk fottoitai. selma Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [Goanet] Gandhi and the 55 crores
Bhandare wrote to Santoshbab: 1: Nathuram Godse assasinated Gandhi not for any personal gain. He did it for what he believed was the greater good of the country. 2: Even while india was at a war with pakistan over kashmir, gandhi blackmailed the govt to give pakistan 55 crore rupees , money which was used to fuel the war against our nation. 3: Godse considered that act as treason and acted in order to safeguard national interest. jc's comment: Interesting stuff !! So, according to Bhandare, it is OK to take the law in one's own hands. From now on, anybody who BELIEVES that he is committing murder for the greater good of the country is free to do so. Bravo Bhandare! This magnificent weirdness is what concerns me about these Hindutva chaps. They are NO different from the horrible Inquisition folks who burnt people with a different view point or the ones earlier who sent millions of widows to their fiery but 'Sati Savitri' end, or the SS from Hitler's Germany. The 55 crores argument would have been a plausible one IF, the attacks on Gandhi's life had commenced ONLY after the 55 crores became an issue. I suggest that there were several other attacks on Mahatma Gandhi's life - the last one being the successful one. BTW: What was the 55 crores all about? Did or did not India agree to pay 55 crores as part of a mutually agreed reimbursement/compensation plan? Was Mahatma Gandhi correct or treacherous(treasonous) by insisting that India live up to her obligations? The Kashmir topic is too large to include here. I will only add that IF one looks at the timeline of the 1947 IndoPak war, one will realise that Pakistan did NOT attack/invade India. Pakistani forces (wrongly IMHO) attacked Kashmir before Kashmir signed the instrument of accession with India. The Kashmiris in 1947 (as perhaps now) most likely wanted to join neither India nor Pakistan. They wanted to stay independent. It was Pakistan's invasion of their territory which caused them to hurriedly sign the treaty of accession with India - so that Indian forces could help them defend themselves against Pakistani aggression. Using Bhandare's illogic ...all the 'violentes' who are causing mayhem in Kashmir are like Godse the benevolent and brave. After all they are committing murder, 'not for any personal gain' but for the greater good of the country they support. Brilliant Bunk from Bhandare just my view jc
[Goanet] Goanet....and To Kill a Mocking-bird.
Dear Goanet readers. Miguel wrote: 1.Why NRI goan is enamored by Manohar-bab and BJP? Comments Maybe they appreciate things which you do not. They see the glass half full and not half empty.?They give credit when it is due.They appreciate the good work, even if it is done by their enemy! ? 2. The difference between Goa Suraj Party and the Janata party is the target of its appeal.The ??SGF appeals to educated elite. Floriano managed to get only a maximum of 413 votes!? Comments?At least he did not pay a single paisa to buy these votes! ?yes, Floriano should learn how to appeal to the general masses, but not from Churchill?? of all the people. Unless, he wants to know?how to blackmail,and switch parties all? the time and topple governments. ?Maybe, you can learn a lot from Floriano.?One can learn a lot from age and? experience!?? ??? Blind Hatred/Dislike of people can destroy ones SOUL! ?regards ?Dr. Anesimo Fernandes? ?? More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail ! - http://webmail.aim.com
Re: [Goanet] Gandhi
Dear Chinmay, Your definition of a misguided patriot applies much better to many terrorists/criminals of today e.g. suicide bombers. The fact remains that whoever these people are they have murdered another human being. They are criminals under secular law. The only type of killing that law excuses is that in self-defense, or in defense of one's country. You appear to be justifying the murder of Gandhi for purely ideological reasons, or for some speculative unproven charge against him, most likely based on an ideology with which you sympathize. How can you uncritically let yourself fall prey to these outlandish notions, and apply them selectively? There are hundreds of websites and books claiming all kinds of crazy things about every great man and woman, and touting every political assassin as a hero. Prudence dictates that we not swallow them hook, line and sinker. Cheers, Santosh --- Bhandare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Santosh: I am glad you weighed in on this one. Nathuram Godse assasinated Gandhi not for any personal gain. He did it for what he believed was the greater good of the country. He did not flee from the scene and was very eloquent in describing his motives for killing gandhi. Even while india was at a war with pakistan over kashmir, gandhi blackmailed the govt to give pakistan 55 crore rupees , money which was used to fuel the war against our nation. Godse considered that act as treason and acted in order to safeguard national interest.
[Goanet] 2008 Goa Carnival pictures
2008 Goa carnival pictures - Margao: http://www.photogoa.blogspot.com/ Courtesy: Jose Lourenco
Re: [Goanet] Salvation of non-Christians (invited closing comments)
I am writing this because I was asked to send my closing comments on this thread before closing it. All I want to say now is this. I see a blatant double standard in the first rejoinder of Fr. Ivo in this thread. According to him, an uninformed opinion of a religious person like Nigel Britto that the scientific theory of evolution is an unproven absurdity, which should never have found its way into science books, should not be called scientific ignorance or illiteracy. In contrast, a critical opinion of a scientist like me about his anti-scientific stance, and about why different people hold different kinds of theistic or atheistic beliefs should be attacked as absolutism, scientism, pedantry, and scientific dogma to negate religion. Nigel, as a religious person, does not have to accept what scientists say about science, whereas I, as a scientist, have to uncritically accept what religious people like Fr. Ivo say about religion and science. My statements about God, religion and miracles are blatant statements deserving of some kind of reaction from readers. Their blatant statements should be accepted without any reaction. It is also disappointing to see how Fr. Ivo has distorted many of my statements, and made a word salad out of my words by taking them out of context and putting new words of his own in my mouth. For instance, I have not used the words hallucination or superstition in the present context. I have also never concluded anything about whole Reality, whatever that means. I have only confessed my lack of knowledge about whether anybody, including atheist Kevin, knows the absolute truth or lives in a world of fantasy. I have also implied in this thread, and explicitly stated on many other occasions, that I know absolutely nothing about the supernatural reality. Furthermore, at the end of his rejoinder, Fr. Ivo claims that majority of Goanetters will be believers as opposed to scientists, and that he and they do not want to be deceived. I am not sure what he means by this, and what is implied by the future tense. When will they be believers? Am I deceiving them? Finally, as indicated in my last post, verbatim quotes from the four theologians/priests (three of whom were scientists, in addition) revealed that they were not talking about the role of faith or Faith in science, or speaking about faith in scientific experiments. They were merely responding to the following question from correspondents who believed that both evolution and creation were forms of faith: Q: Several people have written that they have thoroughly studied both creation and evolution and find that both are forms of faith in that they assume events that occurred before the time of man. They both have an element of trust needed to believe that either are correct or incorrect. Please comment. (Please see http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/religion/faith/discuss_01.html) Even the non-scientist among them, the evangelical Christian theologian Mark Noll was merely stating that faith and theistic belief were involved at the origin of scientific endeavor from the historical point of view, not in scientific experiments, or in science, as it is practiced today. Cheers, Santosh --- Fr. Ivo da C. Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *One thing is to be 'indifferent', another is to attack beliefs in the name of Science and call it 'hallucination', 'parochial beliefs', 'world of fantasy', 'psychological need', 'lifelong habit', 'some other compulsion'. Faith can be also reasonable. It is grounded on motives for credibility. Every time you come with your 'scientific dogma' to negate Religion or relegate it to the 'world of fantasy'. Readers in this Forum have already reacted to your blatant statements about Religion, God, Miracles. .. *And yet you conclude that this is the whole Reality... If the scope of Science is limited, then there are other sources of knowledge. That is precisely what I have been saying throughout. I called this 'scientism', 'absolutism', 'pedantry' Regarding the posting of Nigel Brito, I did not agree with him. I only said that do not call his position ignorance and illiteracy, because even if he studies the theory of Evolution, nobody can impose it on him... Many do not accept it. . You speak of 'gods' as a mere scientist and think it is a 'superstition' or 'habit' or 'compulsion' or 'psychological need' or 'world of fantasy'. I am speaking of God in the light of Science, Philosophy and Theology, with a holistic approach. I am not 'believing' in God because of Science, but because of Reason and much more because of God's Revelation, as found in the Bible. God spoke to humankind through the Prophets and finally through his own Son, Jesus Christ (cf.Hb 1:1-3). This should be clear enough
Re: [Goanet] Publishing a konkani book_tiatr's
Dear Albert, Would you be kind enough to tell us briefly about the tiatr's you wish to have published. Perhaps also give some information about the prizes your works have won, and from which bodies. Are thy one act plays, how many, and what are the topics? venantius j pinto From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * ??? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Publishing a konkani book Dear Albert: The biggest challenge with a Goa-related book is to find the funding for it. Editorial, layout and even printing services are easy to access and outsource, if needed. With the economics, the problems stems from the scattered (or small) market. There's also the fact that a thousand copies is a viable print-run, but it's not easy to sell this number of copies speedily. Some have used adverts to subsidise their publishing, but not everyone favours this approach. There are very few publishing houses that would consider Goa-related books, or have the capacity to bring out multiple titles in a year. Bigger national-level publishers are interested in authors from Goa only if their work touches on a wider 'market' of pan-Indian issues. Because of this reason, many opt for self-publishing as a way out. Some have worked out interesting models in this space. There's some interesting writing coming out in the Konkani (and Marathi) space. But this hardly gets noticed, because it is considered a smaller market, and book-reviews and translations are not happening in the way they should. FN On 02/02/2008, Albert Desouza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends. I am thinking of publishing konkani tiatrs of mine but lack resources. In 1984 for the first time my drama somzikai was awarded the best prize for script ( first prize) and drama got the second prize. I was not able to continue as I could not get suitable actors. Now after so many years Goa Konkani academy awarded me the second prize for script in the competition. So I felt if some one s in the publishing house and could help me to publish the book. The publishing house can keep a bigger margin and sell all the books and pay me a nominal amount. I love to write and develop God given talent. albert de souza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Where are all the Parrikar baiters, haters gone?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 15:08:33 +0530 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Where are all the Parrikar baiters, haters gone? Where, indeed! Perhaps where he has sought he has sought to dispatch all the flowers..! Garlanding the harbingers of sodding SEZ.. Alfred de Tavares _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet] Certificate 18 videos from Amchem Sobit Goem
On 03/02/2008, anand virgincar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A) The videos below contain graphic violence and strong language ( including Konkani 4 letter words for nostalgic effects ) B) Reproduction of any content in several different forms is likely to recur and freely permissible during Congress rule in Goa . http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ayapBdx998 http://youtube.com/watch?v=xJgpiWzASqc jc's comment 1: Sad very very sad indeed! 2: Violence will only breed more violence. 3: Those politicians and their lackeys/surrogates who advocate violence please take note. If you believe that by creating chaos, you will get the proverbial kodel - you might be right. If you believe that this violence which you are fomenting, will dissipate one you are on the kodel - you are wrong. 3: What Horrible Marathi was that? Can they not find individuals who speak Marathi politely and properly to work as newscasters? jc
Re: [Goanet] Religious conversions in Goa
From: anand virgincar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Religious conversions in Goa I am aware Vidyadhar-bab Gadgil has been particularly involved in such issues ( and may I please make a personal request to him to take this task on ? ) luv and regards, anand ( Dr Anand Virgincar ) I really do not have access to Dr. Manoj Solanki to ask him this question :-) If he has any evidence of forcible conversion or conversion using allurements (these are illegal, conversion of free will is perfectly legal and ethically acceptable, so is not relevant here) in Goa, he will hopefully provide it one day. Apart from Solanki's letter that you have given the link to, in the Navhind Times (Panorama) he also wrote a rejoinder to an article of mine about the FACT exhibition which the HJS has been organising in Goa. Unfortunately, NT is very erratic about putting Panorama on-line, so it is not available, and I cannot post a link to his rejoinder. If somebody has a physical copy of that Sunday's Navhind, maybe they could do so? My article is at: http://communalism.blogspot.com/2007/10/politics-of-hate.html If anybody has any other printed stuff from Solanki, it would be interesting to see it. The kind of general polemic he spouts in his speeches, etc., is already available at the Hindu Janajagruti Sabha site at www.hindujagruti.org. I will be out of town till the 17th without internet access, but I look forward to rejoining this discussion when I return. -- Question everything -- Karl Marx
[Goanet] 2008 Goa Carnival Photos - Anjuna
Goanetter, Domnic Fernandes, enjoying the Carnival in his beloved Anjuna, after many years - dishdasha, et al! http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2240410001/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2240410007/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2241222150/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2241222158/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2241236368/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2241236360/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2241222162/ Photos courtesy: Joel D'Souza
Re: [Goanet] 2008 Goa Carnival Photos
Dear Gasper, Thanks for the great photographs. Keep up the good work. Best regards Michael Vaz
Re: [Goanet] Gandhi
And so were they all...honourable men/patriots: Brute et all, Judas, Gavrilo Princip many legion others... Alfred de Tavares Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:57:29 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Gandhi --- Bhandare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His [GANDHI'S] assasin, nathuram Godse, too was not a criminal. I would classify him as a misguided patriot.Wow! All the murderers, including suicide bombers, of this world will be pleased to know they are misguided and not criminal. I am sure victims should feel better they were not killed by human animals like Godse, but merely misguided folk. Regards, George _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet] Gandhi
Going by different versions expressed in the net, I thought I should share some more information on Gandhi to Goanet. Back ground information: Sonia Maino, after she got married to Rajiv Gandhi, when he was studying in England, got the new name as Sonia Gandhi. This Sonia Gandhi is not at all related to Mahatma Gandhi. Rather Mahatma Gandhi and Indira Gandhi have no blood relationship at all. Indira Nehru got married to one person by name Firoz Ghandy, and he was not a Parsi but a Muslim. After the marriage of Indira with Firoz also in England, both decided to adopt the surname Gandhi. And that's how Indira from that day was know as Indira Gandhi wife of Feroze Gandhi and her dynasty i.e. Gandhi dynasty started and is continuing till date. But many Goans are still under the impression that Indira Gandhi is hailing from Mahatma Gandhi roots. And this might be one of the causes of extending blind support to Gandhi family in power, while Mahatma Gandhi's family members are still without any recognition! Another Factual Reality: In a book titled Famous Trials of India by Justice G. D. Khosla who was one of the judges during the trial of Nathuram Godse, the said Justice Khosla writes in one of the chapter (on Nathuram Godse trial), saying Had the audience in the court been converted into a jury, I have no doubt that they would have unanimously returned the verdict of Nathuram Godse is not GUILTY This is what the pubic sympathy was for Nathuram Godse at the relevant time. A famous Indian Author who writes in English and is famous the world over for his writings, namely Colonel Manohar Malgaonkar, a retired Colonel of the Indian Army, also very much conversant with Goa having a book written on Goa, to which the cartoons for illustration have been drawn by the world famous Cartoonist of Goan origin Mr. Mario Miranda, writes in one of his novels, namely the Men who killed Mahatma Gandhi, saying During the famous fast unto death of Mahatma Gandhi in 1947 to compel the Government of India to disburse 55 Crores of rupees to Pakistan immediately after the Partition of India, Hindu refugees from Pakistan who were leaving in refugee camps in Delhi were seen shouting GANDHI MARTA HAI TO MARNE DO. Although it is a novel, it has been based on meticulous field inquiries by the said author. This quotation by Colonel Manohar Malgaonkar also shows what the level of public hatred / sympathy towards Mahatma Gandhi was then. Incidentally, the said Col. Manohar Malgaokar was writing a regular column in Sunday edition of Navhind Times of Goa, for many years, till about three four years back. He is a landlord of a village called Jagalbet near Londa, on the road to Supa and Dandeli, and was a regular visitor to Goa. One who is interested in knowing more about factual realities prevailing at the relevant time and to know the other side of the story, should read the following books: (1) Gandhi Hatya ani Mi, in Marathi by Gopal Godse, brother of Nathuram Godse. The English version of this Book is Gandhiji's Murder and After (this book brings out all the arguments and explanations given by Nathuram Godse during his trial in the court. The statements quoted in this book exactly matches with the one in Justice Khosla's book - Famous Trials of India); (2) 55 Kotiche Bali, in Marathi, its English Version being May It Please Your Honour. (In this book Godse writes that even when India was at a war with Pakistan over Kashmir issue, Gandhi's huger strike blackmailed the Government of India to give Pakistan the sum of Rupees 55 Crores. This sum was rightly denied to be given even by Sardar Vallabh bhai Patel. Later, as Sardar Patel predicted, that 55 Crores of Rupees were used by Pakistan to fight endless wars against India. The Hunger strike of Gandhi was literary proved to be a blackmailing tactics against India and was also considered as an act of disloyalty towards safeguarding the interest of the nation. It was also concluded by most Indians as an act trying to show that - I am above nation. This book also brings out arguments and explanations given by Nathuram Godse during his trial in the court). Both these books are authored by Gopal Godse and are running in 18th edition as of date. Without taking much space of Goa Net, I conclude saying, had it not for Jawaharlal Nehru and Mahatma Gandhi combine, our India would have continued to be one single nation not bifurcated into India and Pakistan. This is because Nehru's weakness was taken advantage of by Lady Mountbatten who was then the Vice-Roy of India. Now whether bifurcation of India was good or otherwise is a different question. By bringing this reality before Goa Net I am in no way trying to tarnish the images of Mahatma Gandhi and Indira Gandhi's family, but only drawing attention to the other side of the story, so that readers with an analytical mind will be compelled to think. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] Gandhi
Satosh Helekar wrote: Dear Chinmay Your definition of a misguided patriot applies much better to many terrorists/criminals of today e.g. suicide bombers. The fact remains that whoever these people are they have murdered another human being. They are criminals under secular law. The only type of killing that law excuses is that in self-defense, or in defense of one's country. You appear to be justifying the murder of Gandhi for purely ideological reasons, or for some speculative unproven charge against him, most likely based on an ideology with which you sympathize. Response In legal and social terms Godse can be termed as a murderer, a fanatic RSS activist and his crime of killing a human being can not be condoned may it be Mahatma Gandhi or any ordinary person. Even the most imperfect man has to come to this path eventually. Our responsibility is not to cut his life short, thereby stopping his progression which should be left to divine dispensation. Bhagavad Gita says, no action is by itself sinful or meritorious. It is the motive in the heart of the doer which leads him to take a particular action that is the determining factor. I am just forwarding few lines from Godse's biography excerpted from Pradeep Dalvi's controversial play 'Mi Nathuram Godse Boltoy.' I was born on May 19, 1910 to Vinayakrao and Laxmi. I had three brothers, but none survived. After my parent's prayer to God their fourth son that is me, Nathuram survived because my parents were destined to suffer for their young son's death and Gandhi was destined to be assassinated. I never stole in my childhood, so there was no question of apologising to my father. I never took a vow of celibacy as I was already practicing celibacy. I was moving around the refugee camps and helping the destitute with food and clothes. But I did not wander half-naked because the refugees were naked. I never spun yarn, never cleaned my toilet, never observed silence till I was hanged. There was only one common factor in Gandhi's life and mine. We were both the cause of each other's death. He wanted to live for his principles and I was prepared to die for my principles. Vinay
[Goanet] POLL: My views of D D Kossambi:
My views of D D Kossambi: [ ] Goa fails to recognise her own prophets [ ] Better late than never, some recognition is better than none [ ] Unnecessary hype, and too late too [ ] Who is D D Kossambi? Cast your vote at: http://www.goanet.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=NS-Pollsfile=indexpollID=35 *** PREVIOUS POLL RESULTS (Jan 28, 2008)*** What saved the fall of the Digambar Kamat Govt? SEZ promoters 20.00% (20) Land sharks 7.00% (7) Increasing greed of politicians 31.00% (31) Irrelevance of morals scruples among MLAs 42.00% (42) Total Votes: 100 Goanet POLL http://www.goanet.org
[Goanet] Daily Haiku #5
DAILY HAIKU #5: _ DUTY _ bashes to bust, rati khobor, ashes to dust, mati ghobor. __ Aunty, Famous Indians, Haiku, Churchill cartoons, etc: http://2008goanconvention.com/blog/index.php _
Re: [Goanet] Science and Churchy reasoning
Hi Teotoniobab, Yes, such discussions are going on for a long time. But I am sure you will agree that from a scientific perspective the light is much brighter today. Most of the progress that has occurred since then is because of the discovery of new natural facts, methods and ideas. This is true in your field as well as mine. As far as atheists are concerned, even today's defenders of enlightenment are not necessarily atheists. A lot of them are deists, as they were then, such as the founding fathers of America. But it is true that the majority of today's best minds are atheists. I think the percentage is something in excess of 90% for U.S. National Academy of Sciences members and science Nobel laureates. However, they might well be wrong about their beliefs. What applies to theists and deists applies to them. Hi Selma, I am pleasant surprised that you are pursuing the ideas that we discussed in the past in a substantive way. It is very rare that anybody takes what I say seriously in this lay public forum. Please beware! I may be deceiving you. Cheers, Santosh --- Teotonio R. de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been following your discussions with some interest. They date back to the days of 18th century enlightenment in Europe! And they are still going on because it is difficult to reconcile human interests? Were the ardent defenders of enlightenment necessarily atheists? I believe not. - -- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I borrowed a copy of Spinoza from the library determined to read about consciousness and modes (didn't get very far :-), and the more I read, I realised the import of a point Santosh made some months ago; that traditional philosophy itself has become obsolete in light of advances made by science and so much of what we thought of as esoteric, such as monism and dualism, has been put in its proper prospective. Like Santosh, I too hope that Goan society finds the equilibrium between science and spirituality but it is absolutely unconscionable to believe in something suspending rational thought in our desire to prove it right. To this end, discussions about salvation for only certain religious affiliations are unacceptable.
Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] POLL: My views of D D Kossambi:
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goanet Poll Sent: 05 February 2008 07:02 To: Goanet Subject: [Goanet-News] POLL: My views of D D Kossambi: My views of D D Kossambi: [ ] Goa fails to recognise her own prophets [ ] Better late than never, some recognition is better than none [ ] Unnecessary hype, and too late too [x] Who is D D Kossambi? Cast your vote at: http://www.goanet.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=NS-Pollsfile=indexpo llID=35 *** PREVIOUS POLL RESULTS (Jan 28, 2008)*** What saved the fall of the Digambar Kamat Govt? SEZ promoters 20.00% (20) Land sharks 7.00% (7) Increasing greed of politicians 31.00% (31) Irrelevance of morals scruples among MLAs 42.00% (42) Total Votes: 100 Goanet POLL http://www.goanet.org
[Goanet] P Sainath: Visible Work, Invisible Women.
Dears, Below is last paragaraph of my column in the GT on the eve of the Republic Day last month. It talks about P.Sainath ...who will deliver a lecture in the Datta Damodar Kosambi FESTIVAL OF IDEAS this week, as will Vivek Monteiro [brother of Dr. Nandita de Souza of Sethu/Sangat fame]: Creating awareness among the people of India is imperative. India's well-known development journalist P Sainath has been awarded the 2007 Magsaysay Award, Asia's equivalent of the Nobel Prize, for his contribution to journalism, literature and the creative communication arts. The Ramon Magsaysay Award Foundation recognised Sainath for his passionate commitment as a journalist to restore the rural poor to India's national consciousness. Sainath is best known for his hard-hitting book Everybody Loves a Good Drought wherein he wrote about a world that belied the giddy accounts of India's economic miracle. There is a growing need to share such information so that the people may make an informed choice about who makes the Republic of India tick: We, the people. The exhibition is on Women Work in Rural India. entitled Visible Work, Invisible Women is another facet of his commitment to give a voice to the lesser known and acknowledged people of India. Maria Aurora Couto has taken a great initiative to mark the anniversary of DD Kosambi in a meaningful way. It was nice to hear so many references to temples and churches at the inaugural function, including one in fluent Konkani from Prasad Lolayekar the Director of Art and Culture ,Goa, which roughly translates thus: There are some individuals whose presence sanctify any place they are in and make it into a temple. If I remember right, DD Kosambi was of the Marxist philosophy and did not subscribe to any religion. It was nice to listen to our Vice-President, Hamid Ansari. It had great content but , alas, he sounded more like an academician than an orator. The delivery left one unimpressed. My sincere appreciation for the handling of the traffic by the Goa Police. After the Vice-President, The Governor and the CM left along with their Police escort vehicles, they let us out of the Kala Academy Complex. This would be unthinkable in Delhi, where cops are used to holding up traffic for hours, till petty IAS Babus and still pettier politicians have all left ...and leave one wondering whether India is a democracy or a demoncracy. Mog asundi. Miguel Braganza. Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 07:33:30 -0500 From: Vidyadhar Gadgil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] P Sainath: Visible Work, Invisible Women flyer The Sainath exhibition described below will be taking place from 4th-7th February in KALA ACADEMY, GOA, as part of the D.D. Kosambi celebrations. Sainath himself will be speaking on the 6th February. www.sais-jhu.edu/programs/asia/southasia/sa_events/sa_event_flyers/p_sainath_flyer_photo_exhibit.pdf Visible Work, Invisible Women When thousands of women, mostly landless labourers, queued up in Vizag city in India to see a photo exhibition less than 40 months ago, it was an unusual one on their own lives. Consisting of about 70 black and white photographs with text, the exhibition is on Women Work in Rural India. It is titled Visible Work, Invisible Women... The pictures, shot in ten states across the country by journalist P. Sainath, show the astonishing labour that poor women put in every day of their lives and the gigantic -- yet unacknowledged -- contribution they make to the national economy. A contribution worth, literally, tens of billions of dollars. Each of ten panels deals with different kinds of work that women do. The text details the scope, significance and centrality of that labour to the Indian economy, particularly to agriculture. The exhibition has so far been seen by over half a million people in several venues in the east, west, north and south of India. One set has also toured over 20 venues in the United States and Canada. It was shown at the Asia Society, New York in November 2002. In this time, it has collected 29 notebooks full of comments in nine languages from all over India. Hundreds of pages with literally thousands of comments. It was inaugurated in Vizag city in late November 2001 by four of the landless women agricultural labourers who figure in the photographs. They sang a song of working women from the fields and declared it open. ... -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] Gandhi and the 55 crores
--- J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This magnificent weirdness is what concerns me about these Hindutva chaps. - Dear Doc, You have put it brilliantly, this magnificent RSS weirdness, Ven'u's point about Godse notwithstanding and brilliantly made by Ven'u. When I was at school we had a brilliant math teacher called Gokle. Rumour was, this fire-brand of a teacher was related to the infamous Godse, but because of the notoriety of the name in India, had it changed to Gokle. I never did muster up the courage to ask her, for fear of being shot dead in my tracks. No puns intended. The point is, Godse is an embarrassment to the country, and just as the Sangh tries to ascend Veer to celestial heights, they are bent on embarrasing any member of India's history remotely associated with the Congress party. I think, I had also made this point earlier, that as Indians we owe it to ourselves to celebrate our shared triumphs. As if to prove my point about partisan politics, that point was controverted by some biased parties on Goanet. I think Bhandare finds it hard to accept that history after examining all the facts, determines who will be hailed hero and who will be declared villain. If we were constantly revising history, then American children might not be learning about Abraham Lincoln being a great president but rather a bigoted racist. Conversely, German children maybe learning that Hitler was a patriot. (The nazi party and its related symbols are still banned in Germany - good for them, I say. It behooves India to do likewise with the RSS). These constant revisions of history are so tiring, but then what can you expect of a political party and ideology that has no heroes of their own, and have to depend on fabrications and distortions of history to manufacture them. selma Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [Goanet] Goanet.....and To kill a Mocking-bird
anand virgincar wrote: Dear Goanetters,I shall wrap up my response to all the reactions so far in this threadinto a single posting to save Goanet space. A ) Mervyn-bab says : 1) One cannot challenge someone who keeps on posting rubbish unlesswe resort to one liners 2) Do try to pen us Parrikar's faults My response : 1) It is much better to challenge any postings you feel are foolish by pointing out what you feel is an untruth and asking politely to furnish evidence . If the original posting was genuinely a foolish one , this will make that individual lose credibilty with fellow netters. Vice versa , if that person can justify the point, he /she will gain credibility. Doc, I have patiently answered every question Bhandari has thrown my way. Sometimes ten questions in a single post. When I try and ask him a question, he refuses to answer. As such, I have two choices: 1) Keep quite. 2) Resort to one liners for the particularly dumb posts. For instance , I do not agree with the comments Chinmay-bab madewith respect to the recent planned terrorist attack on Goa. My queriesto him are : a) Is the uncontrolled migration into Goa not just by muslims but alsoby those of other religions ? b) Even if a disproportionately large number of these migrants are muslim , why should they be held to account for any problems that occur in Goa ( in view of the fact that the news item you provide had nothing to do with Goan muslims ) Good luck in getting Bhandari to answer your questions ;-) On the other hand , by making one liners like the Stickler syndrome business ( which , however well veiled ,was clearly a personal attack at a particular individual and was also totally out of context to the issue under discussion on that thread ) , you may have brought a smile to many a face, but would risk loosing a degree of credibilty . I have absolutely no insecurities on how people perceive my credibility. In fact, you will find a lot of people here who are much better off because they have acted on my recommendations. Mervyn3.0 To do a little good is better than to write difficult books. The perfect man is nothing if he does not diffuse benefits on others, if he does not console the lonely. The way of salvation is open to all, but know that a man deceives himself if he thinks he can escape his conscience by taking refuge in a monastery. The only remedy for evil is healthy reality. - Buddha - Benares Deer Park Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
[Goanet] Herald rewrites history
Dear Goanetters, A sensational revelation greeted Herald readers on Monday 4 February 2008 . The letters to the editor section had an amazing 3 successive pieces castigating the Congress government . This breaks the previous record of 2 successive anti-Congress letters set in 1726 by the NoWind times. http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=8034cid=13 Very important : The author of the first letter is expressing his personal views and not in his capacity as spokesperson of the Saffronite Virodhi Manch and / or as convener of the Ghanti Bachao Andolan . luv and regards , anand ( Dr Anand Virgincar ) _ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml
