[Goanet-News] Goanet Reader: The doyen of Goan writing in English (interview with Victor Rangel-Ribeiro)
The doyen of Goan writing in English Victor Rangel-Ribeiro is a name closely connected with the resurgence that Goan writing in English has seen in recent years. An octogenarian, what's admirable about him is not just the high-energy levels with which he works on his craft, but also his generosity in sharing his skills and mentoring others keen to enter the world of writing books and more. Excerpts from an interview with Frederick 'FN' Noronha, as Rangel-Ribeiro returns to Goa for this annual sojourn. This time, to be based in Altinho (Panjim) while his ancestral home at Alto Porvorim gets a facelift. FN: How do you judge the current trajectory of Goan writing in English? Growing in number, lacking in quality, offering a lot of potential, or what? VRR: Growing in quantity, certainly; improving in quality, because selected writers are becoming more conscious of their craft and technique and are writing better. They in turn are influencing others. I think the Goa Writers Group [http://goawriters.notlong.com] is playing a significant role here. They are like the yeast that causes dough to rise; with good yeast one can make good bread. I see a lot of potential in the writers I meet, a potential limited only by personal factors such as time, technique, and determination. FN: How does expat writing compare to the work of writers back in Goa? What do you see as the main differences and contrasts? Are there similarities, too? VRR: Expat writing is no different from the work of writers in Goa. We have our good writers and our sloppy writers. The main difference is that our sloppy writers overseas fall by the wayside much faster; in Goa, they rush to a local printer and become 'published' authors. The sloppy writers in Goa who self-publish their books then give self-publication a bad name, thus muddying the waters for the good writers in Goa who also decide to self-publish their books. FN: From your interaction with young writers in Goa -- and you have many such -- what do you feel of their potential, their shortcomings, and the challenges they need to work on? VRR: I feel they have great potential, but this potential is limited by an equally great ego. Somehow some of them have come to believe that whatever they write is perfect as soon as they have set it down on paper, and therefore needs no improvement. Revision is an alien concept. Rewrite? Why? This is already very clear! is a protest I hear more often in Goa than I would from one of my writing students at Fairleigh Dickinson University in New Jersey. So the greatest challenge young writers here have to work on is their own sense of self. They need to realize perfection is a goal they have to strive for, not something they have already achieved or were born with. I have gained some success as a writer, but not only do I regard each manuscript as a work in progress, but I also regard myself, the writer, as a 'work in progress'. I am continually trying to improve my writing skills, learning almost every day from writers who are better than I am. FN: Could you mention three most crucial things that Goa needs to be doing, so as to give a push to writing and creative endeavours here? VRR: Goa needs to develop the reading habit. Goa needs to establish a well-stocked, up-to-date, professionally staffed and inviting public library in every village. Goans need to buy books for their home bookshelves, to recommend books that they like to their friends, and to give books that they like as presents, giving them as birthday and Christmas gifts, and sometimes giving them for no reason at all. FN: Whom do you rate as the three most promising young Goan fiction writers today? VRR: Frederick, I'm 83 years old. To me, every other writer is a young writer, including Damodar Mauzo, who is a senior writer, and Margaret Mascarenhas, who will soon have a blockbuster on the international scene! Recently, I read several ghost stories by Venita Coelho, and I found some of them to be really quite out of the ordinary. So I would regard Venita as a promising young Goan fiction writer. Because I live overseas for most of the year, I'm not aware of other young writers who are publishing short stories locally. Jose [Lourenco] writes an occasional story in English, but has now switched to Konkani. If you name some names, I'll be glad to look at their work. FN: How do you compare writing in English, with writing in other languages (in Goa, or the diaspora)? I'm not sure I understand the question fully, and even if I did, I'm not sure I'd be qualified to answer it. Writers writing in English, and those writing in Konkani, Marathi, and
[Goanet] What can one expect from a people who read so little
I understand Victor Rangel-Ribeiro's concern, which he has voiced on earlier occasions, although I may not remember where. Without getting into who writes what and perhaps even why the need to write, one expects every writer to be able to stand their ground. So, there are sloppy writers overseas and in Goa, both of whom self-publish. What gives self-publication a bad name is not that sloppy writers self-publish, and other sloppy writers who do not have to self-publish, having patrons within the publishing industry. What strikes a chord among published writers is that by self-publishing one is not abiding by certain rules -- largely unsaid, but adhered to by those who were picked up by publishing houses. And also the resentment, that someone being regarded as a self-published writer being feted or even marginally being celebrated in their communities (it is usually in such situations), or worse having to share the same dais -- suggesting perhaps to the audience and even to themselves that they are being seen as equals. If people are blind, then not much can be done about it. Much like stating that cricket is a gentelman's game. Any rules were designed by the publishing and other industries to streamline talent, control and sometime shape it, and to decide even later who becomes a flagship representative in any field. So there is no rule as to who should and who shouldn't publish. Not being cynical here. But often writers surpass any system and also get rewarded in the process. Adn teh work id dulu justified at being printed. Its not just that the work speaks -- a work may be very good, but may not speak to numerous houses resulting in the work remaining unpublished. But this does not mean it has to be self-published per se. But self-publishing is an avenue that has to be seen for what it could be. Its just that perhaps on account of such practices (not unethical) better writers may not be noticed, as one may conjecture based upon the perception that there happen to be many published writers around. And a non self-published writer may not stand out and get noticed for advances, and a successful book leading to accolades and a true non self-published career. But does a non-self published writer need to stand out? Is that a meaningful motivation,much like applause after a dance. Am I being unkind here? And particularly one who may have some reputation, or is it the fear that reputation gets effaced with so many writers around, to include the self-published. What can one expect from a people who read so little. What may one expect from a people who have not been taught to read. We were taught to read everything, but does that help one be discerning. No. Can one read a newspaper, leaflet, a bulletin and really learn how to read. Not just read -- but learn, make connections, hear the voice of the writer -- so I am talking about our formation. There are also self-published writers whose voice one can hear. The technique could be another story. I do not think one may find solace and joy among a people who do not cherish what many societies have embraced (and they in turn their societies) over time: their writers, poets, thinkers, and others who contribute to the collective mind, in essence building community -- constantly moving the society to see itself differently, interjecting social change. And not to forget publishers remembering that with ever few generation books often have to be translated again. Why? Because the writers tone has to be relayed again to a more advanced generation. Besides that, are publishers really weeding out the good from the glorious, and going through the crop of writers with the rigor that thei field demands. Are they really? One only has to look around. And besides that, do they not indulge the self-published as a matter of course. Perhaps there a few who do get an audience. If so, they must be happy to have taken the initiative. I have better chances of getting published on account of a few calls that people may may on my behalf, than not sloppy writers who under extenuating existential circumstances went ahead and got their work self-published. I hope people get my point, and I note that if I were to get published, some genius would bring this up. On a parallelnote, if Indian publishers did not publish books where writers pay to get their works published, then many overseas writers would not get tenure. Look at our four major publishers of History, Paleography, and other subjects. How about the critics? Are they decent literary critics or is their true calling journalism. Not that one may not be able to both equally well. How about when the literary critic is also a writer and has particular tastes to seek the mundane. | Do ones best, and let the chips fall where they may. Rue ones people rather than their desires at seeking fame, or even oneself. Perhaps there are those who are self-publishing just to hold themselves together mentally, or because there are grants to be had or
[Goanet] Sex Scandal
William de Curtorim did a graet job in his recital. Now lets look a sonnet by William Shakespeare, from an essay on Lust by Simon Blackburn, which grew out of a lecture and book series on the Seven Deadly Sins cosponsored by the New York Public Library and Oxford University Press. Sex is one thing, a rapacious and predatory appetite something totally loathful. In the US we have Sexaholics Annonymous, not to be confused with Lust though. Dowload PDF to start your own group: http://www.sa.org/newcomerbroch.php Th'expense of spirit in a waste of shame Is lust in action; and till action, lust Is perjured, murd'rous, bloody, full of blame, Savage, extreme, rude, cruel, not to trust, Enjoy'd no sooner but despised straight, Past reason hunted, and no sooner had Past reason hated, as a swallowed bait On purpose laid to make the taker mad; Mad in pursuit and in possession so, Had, having, and in quest to have, extreme; A bliss in proof, and proved, a very woe; Before, a joy proposed; behind, a dream. All this the world well knows; yet none knows well To shun the heaven that leads men to this hell. __ venantius From: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [Goanet] Sex Scandal: Digambar, Sardin, Parrikar, Mickky, Mauvin, Churchill etc exposed Sex Scandal: Digambar, Sardin, Parrikar, Mickky, Mauvin, Churchill etc exposed http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=UW7ND9VDmkc Minister Alexo, Nerri, Reginald etc also involved http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=UW7ND9VDmkc
Re: [Goanet] God sucks
-Original Message- From: edward desilva Hi Bosco, Are we talking about God or different religions, according to their beliefs in God. There is a question raised, if Qur'an is the word of God, in what language was it written in. If one says Arabic, Arabic language did not exist during Muhammad's days. Gods words in Gods language - what language is it? RESPONSE: Regretably, I am not qualified to respond to your query. Secondly, as I said in my earlier post, I have no intention to enter the discussion per se. I just wanted to draw attention to the article and the resulting comments that were much like what we see here. - B
[Goanet] Regional Plan to Disempower People-I
Regional Plan to Disempower People-I by NANDKUMAR KAMAT Posted on 2008-12-29 OUR mission for the small state of Goa should be simple - to boost individual and collective creativity in every sphere of life democratically, conserve our natural and material assets for posterity, promote wealth generation sustainably aimed at equity and equality, with the final goal being a society with spiritually happy, well informed, secure citizens enjoying excellent quality of life. The Regional plan 2021 (RP-2021) for Goa is an expensive and?wasteful academic exercise to the contrary. The government is buying some time by keeping the people busy in their technical homework. Hopefully this would boost some geographical and cartographical knowledge. Politically it is a sensible decision because Goans are now addicted to chew on such issues endlessly without ever identifying the basic high priority public policy areas, supporting complementary laws (for example natural resources management policy, state land use policy, state housing policy, policy on sustainable urbanisation, policy on rehabilitation of people ousted from their habitats and livelihoods, policy on cultural heritage) and fundamental strategic flaws-like whether any exercise like RP-2021 after its? logical conclusion would really arm them with more powers at the grass roots level or deprive them of even existing powers? I am watching all the tamasha that?s going on in the name of RP-2021, especially after my nightmares came true on reading the document kindly sent by GCCI. Was the ex-chief town planner late R N Ray wrong, when he proclaimed officially in 1997-8, ?We don?t need a Regional Plan but a Perspective Plan, that too after passing the new, revised GOA Town and Country Planning Act based on model urban and regional planning and Development Law (revised) prepared by central Ministry of Urban affairs and employment.? Late Ray got the model act printed in Government printing press, circulated and debated it in October 1998. The new act was supposed to be introduced in the Goa legislative assembly in the winter or the ensuing budget session, 1999. The act had 14 chapters,?189 clauses, 84 pages.? Chapter III was not applicable to Goa as it referred to metropolitan areas. The rest of the act was a model piece of pro-people legislation. All those who?re now rushing with RP-2021 need to give an explanation to the people of Goa regarding the preamble of the act. What it said was very clear, honest, sincere and transparent. The preamble said-?An act to provide for the promotion of development and regulation of growth of urban and rural areas in the state as consequence of constitution (73rd and 74th Amendment Act, 1992)? and for the purposes connected with the matters aforesaid.? RP-2021 is a total negation of this preamble. It is basically a political statement which indirectly acknowledges the bitter reality that the political class in Goa supported by vested professional interests is afraid to repeal the outdated?TCP act, 1974 and meaningfully devolve the powers to the local authorities as envisaged in 1998 act.? Why the new act wasn?t introduced in the assembly since 1998?? The politicians felt that their power and influence would be diluted if the spatial planning and developmental micro-planning powers were to be?devolved to the local authorities. RP-2021 offers a few lollipops by assuring to amend the existing TCP act, 1974 but this is absolutely inconsistent with the 1998 model act. After the national capital New Delhi, Goa would probably be the only state in India to think of a regional plan. There are states larger than Goa with detail documentation of history of their revenue lands. Why did they not go for a regional plan? Many of these states (Kerala, Gujarat, Karnataka) are still sorting out policy issues taking into consideration their duties under the 73rd and 74th constitutional amendments. A specific example of good governance is Kerala state land use board (KSLUB) A specific example of? bad governance is winding up of Goa state land use board (GSLUB) and Goa state land resources management committee (GSLRMC)-and the stance of the state government, the task force and the NGOs as if these important bodies were never formed and never existed. At the very outset let me sum up my considered and uncompromising stand on the RP-2021 and then focus on concrete examples of bad governance jeopardising sustainable planning and management of natural, cultural and human resources of Goa. RP-2021 has unnecessarily entered a planning territory for which it has no mandate. Every government department and agency in Goa has a five-year plan and annual plans. For all sectoral planning issues, there is mandated state planning board and neither the task force nor the Town and Country Planning Department (TCPD) can dictate terms to it. If you?re familiar with Goa?s 40 years old land revenue
[Goanet] (no subject)
Indians in India are regrettably undisciplined and generally have scant respect for the rules and law. IT MUST BE SAID:This culture is encouraged by the corrupt administration and behaviour of most of the political class who consider themselves like the police above the law.The Mumbai terrorist attack has enabled the police to stop the Candolim Sunburn Festival which was given permission with rules to follow ,which in the normal course would have been legally followed only on paper. This is also the case with the 10PM and extended 12PM deadlines. I went for a Christmas dance and the band continued at full volume after 12pm WITH THE CROWD MERRILY SWINGING! When I asked the organisers they said nobody bothers us.We are used to go beyond set norms , even after 26/11 ,like the 19 yr old biker racing in Bangalore, not stopping and running away when challenged by the security forces.He was shot, and the reaction of most of the public is to blame the authorities for excessive action! I may mention here that people told me that they are scared to complain because the police/authorities ,to be politically in good books with vested interests/powers that be, give out the name of the complainant and there is nobody to protect them! What will it take to get the administration to change/improve/learn! Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] New Year in Dubai
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[Goanet] India's 'Other' Terrorism
Here is an interesting article more suited to our times and which should make every right thinking individual sit up and think. Excerpts: The U.S. government should consider naming the individuals responsible for leading these groups as terrorists by adding them to the U.S. list of Specially Designated Nationals. It should also began investigating American charitable organizations that appear to be providing funding for these groups, and ask that India investigate terror financing on their side in parallel. http://www.feer.com/politics/2008/december/Indias-Other-Terrorism Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] The notion that God sucks sucks!
Mario writes: Perhaps you have misunderstood how a forum works. Samir gets to say whatever he wants. Others then get to say whatever they want. Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:14:18 +0530 From: Sandeep Heble sandeephe...@gmail.com Exactly! But constant crying and cribbing over why Samir said a particular thing is childish behavior. The discussion leads to nowhere. That is not what forums are meant for. The purpose of forums is for thoughts and ideas to flower and bloom. Mario responds: You can't write Exactly! and then go on to write But. There are no buts after you wrote exactly, which means you agreed that forums are for people to say whatever they want, regardless of how misguided or childish you may think they are, but you then wanted to put your own spin on what a forum should be. You can't have it both ways. Some found your presumptions baseless, childish and defensive. You are free to try and defend an indefensible and insulting post that says God sucks and nothing else, and pretend that this thought is causing ideas to flower and bloom. In the meantime, those who feel differently can opine that the notion that God sucks itself sucks. Sandeep wrote: Let's discuss the larger issue: whether what Samir said (or implied) is right or whether it is wrong. Mario responds: He was neither right nor wrong. He was simply insulting and throwing stones from a glass house. A case can be made that religion has benefitted more people than it has harmed, whereas some of those who have rejected religion have caused untold death and destruction to millions and are rarely to be found when altruism is called for, with exceptions to everything I have written above. That is to say, some have used religion harmfully, and some atheists have participated in private altruism. Regarding the absolute proof that a supreme being exists, this is a matter of faith and not of science, and we will all find out the truth soon enough. Perhaps you need to realize that, while religionists are unable to prove with scientific standards that God exists, science has been unable to prove that God does not exist.
[Goanet] How I won my first house....... and other stories that should be retired.
From the book: How I ... and other stories that should be retired. By Mervyn A. Lobo One Friday morning, on my way to work, I stopped at my favourite donut/coffee place and stood in line. Yes, Canadians stand in line. Even though it is only for three things: 1) To buy coffee/donuts. 2) To get money out of the bank. 3) To get Maple Leafs (hockey) tickets. Just as I was coming up to the coffee counter, I noticed that there were some bank notes on the ground. I picked them up and told the owner of the donut place that one of his customer's must have dropped it. The guy got nervous and said, No, no, no, no money. Go give money to security. So I went down to the security office (seven stories below the street level at the Eaton Centre, Toronto) and gave the money to the security people. Later that morning, feeling quite the Boy Scout, I told a work mate what had happened. My work mate said, Listen buddy, I used to work as a security guard. Every time someone came to us with found money we kept it for two days and if it was not claimed, we used it to buy beer. Being the responsible person that I am, i.e. in the interest of keeping security people half decent, when I finished work that day, I went back to the security department. I asked those in the newly arrived shift, Did anyone bring here four $20 bills, two $10 and two $5 dollars bills? The shift boss said, Yes, here it is. It is very rare that people bring money to us. I took the money and headed back to the donut shop. I looked all around on the floor again but did not spy any more money. So I bought $2.50 worth of donuts. Then I treated myself to a six pack of beer ($6.50) and went home. Five beers later my conscience kicked me/kicked in. I decided to call the leading cancer centre in Toronto, the Princess Margaret Hospital, so that I could donate the rest of the money to them. As it was after office hours I got voice mail instructing me to call back later. The machine then bumped me to the Princess Margaret Lottery office. For non-Torontonians, the Princess Margaret Hospital conducts a lottery every year in its drive to raise funds for cancer research. Tickets are $100 each. The prizes range from houses to cars to bicycles. So as to avoid making another call in the morning, I bought myself a lottery ticket. Three weeks later I was out of a job and snoring when I got a call one morning. A call at 9.30 am. Another Goan was asking, breathlessly, Have you been watching CityTv? I said No. Our Goan friend said, Hey, you just won a house. The Princess Margaret people always conduct their lottery draws live on TV so that the process is transparent to all. Now, a little secret. Almost all my friends are slightly more weird than than I am. Keeping this in mind, I turned over and went back to sleep. An hour later I got a second call. This one was from someone claiming to be calling from The Princess Margaret Hospital Lottery. She wanted me to come to the hospital so that the news providers could get pictures of me and other winners. I answered politely, turned the ringer off and went back to sleep (again). This time I let myself day dream that if I had won a prize, it would be a bicycle as I have always looked good on a bicycle. A week later my, very humble, name was in the local papers. For those who are wondering, What happened to the unaccounted $1.00? Read all about it in, How I paid someone in Cancun to go to jail for me. Mervyn3.0 __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com
[Goanet] God, food and Gilbert
President Pandurang always likes Gilbert's posts. His latest post has a lot of
uncommon wisdom - wisdom that does not make sense to the common man and woman.
But like Gilbert President Pandurang is an uncommon man. So he agrees with
Gilbert all the time. Here are the President's comments on Gilbert's latest
thoughts.
--- On Sun, 12/28/08, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote:
The concept of God will harm humanity, if humans use / abuse the
concept for their detriment. To simplify the concept, even
(good) food can be bad if not used / eaten at the right
time, right place and in the right proportions. As the
above title itself, and that is reflected today, human
social values 'suck', and we blame God or our concepts of god for them (our
social values).
Gilbert is right. God means jaggery. Too much jaggery is bad for your health.
You might become fat or diabetic. He is right about sucking god too. When I was
little I used to suck on a godacho with pez.
Problems that are seen today were not seen / heard a century ago e.g. organ
transplant, euthanasia, cloning, etc.
I agree. Organ transplant is a big problem. Because of organ transplants many
people are not going to heaven very soon these days. Hundred years ago they
were reaching there immediately.
I would submit that much of today's social problems - divorce, half of all
child-births born out of wedlock, drug dependency, etc, are a result of LACK
OF religion and moral values.
Yes, I don't understand why a wife divorces her husband who beats her after
drinking copachem. Copachem is good for your and your wife's health. I don't
know why people do not depend on it today like 100 years ago.
Gnosticism (Greek - knowledge or in sanskrit -
gnana) refers to a diverse, syncretistic religious movement
consisting of various belief systems generally united in the
teaching that humans are divine souls trapped in a material
world created by an imperfect god, ...
Exactly. Knowledge is very bad for everybody. Hundred years ago nobody had this
much knowledge as we have today, and we were very happy. Knowledge has
destroyed our happiness. I wish people become ignorant again like 100 years ago.
It depends how one uses the concept of God. Just like one
can use / abuse food. In the example of food, both
extremes - the lack of it with starvation due to poverty,
anorexia (starvation in the midst of plenty); and excess
consumption (bulimia) are all bad results of a good / needed
requirement. Similarly, science is good! But science can
/ has been abused / contaminated by personal (individual) or
systemic ('school of thought') failings and abuses.
We make many things out of god in Chimbel like paatollyo, nevreo, godachi
bhaakri, dodol, etc. If you eat too much of them you are abusing god, which is
bad. If you don't eat god, there is saakor, but that is bad also. If you don't
eat anything then you are like the atheist.
Now, you can contaminate god just like science. It depends on where you buy it.
Some shopkeepers sell god contaminated with scientific chemicals. That is why
science is bad. In Chimbel we have banned teaching of science because of
failings (of our students) in our schools of thought. Many children were
failing in science and abusing our teachers. Next year we are also going to ban
teaching gnana. We don't want our students to be gnostic.
Perhaps you missed my article that was posted on Goanet on The Evolution of
Religion. A re-read of that post (posted below) may help and answer some
questions and issues.
Gilbert's post on Evolution of Religion requires special attention and
comments. It is an answer to most questions about god, food and digestion. I
don't know why so many people on Goanet like Sandeep missed such an important
post.
Cheers,
Santosh
for President Pandurang Fernandes
[Goanet] New Year Resolutions - Monday-muse (29 Dec 08)
MONDAY MUSE (29 December 2008) NEW YEAR RESOLUTIONS As the year 2008 moves to its end, a familiar ritual will make its annual appearance in our lives – the ritual of making New Year resolutions…the most popular resolutions range from breaking of flawed habits to the pledge to inculcate desirable habits, from putting the bulge in to bringing the biceps out, from vows of self improvement to socio-centric commitments, from pledges to become more economically or environmentally responsible to charity towards the disadvantaged… Though born of innocent intent, most resolutions remain unfulfilled or abandoned by the very minds that conjure them. Hence, for many of us, the process is just moving through a mechanical ritual. Therefore it is prudent to give up the meaningless practice or we need to re-invent our attitude and approach to what is essentially a well meaning exercise. It is pertinent for our resolution to have “RESOLVE” which must translate into an action plan. It is not enough to know where one wants to go… we must also chalk out the path to get there. The larger destination needs to be seen as a link of lesser goals. Only then we would be able to recognize partial successes at every step along the way. Just as a resolution isn't realised the day it's made, neither is it realised the day we reach our goal. It is accomplished in small wins along the way. The execution of the action plan to realise the resolution that we make defines ground-zero. Simply put, New Year is not the only time to make resolutions… rather, every moment that flags off the journey to fulfil a worthy resolve, heralds the beginning of a New Year in our lives. Anais Nin said it so well, “I make no resolutions for the New Year. The habit of making plans, of criticizing, sanctioning and moulding my life, is too much of a DAILY event for me!” New Year is the moment when we choose to walk the path of transformation, to BE BETTER at fulfilling every resolve we need dedication determination… - Pravin 29 December 2008, Goa, India. Since 2004, the MONDAY MUSE series (based on JCI-India’s annual theme) is penned by PRAVIN SABNIS - a life coach with a passion to connect people to their passion potential. He employs creative competencies in theatre trekking in his UNLEARNING UNLIMITED workshops conducted for leading corporate other groups. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
[Goanet] Confidential report in the file
Goan Nayak / Naik?? could not make it to the post...but in 2004, he was got elected to the Rajya Sabha. To read more on this topic click the link provided below: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/net-closes-in-on-cong-mp-for-orissa-swamis -murder/403507/ Bhubaneswar : The BJD-BJP government in Orissa is closing in on Fanatic Christian Congress Rajya Sabha member and former civil servant Radhakanta Nayak for his role in the conspiracy to kill Lakshmanananda Saraswati. Sources say that Nayak, the most high-profile Christian political leader in the State, may be arrested shortly. The Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) has said that the plot to kill Lakshamananda Saraswati was hatched in the presence of Nayak. The Criminal Investigation Department (CID) of Orissa police is said to be preparing a case against Nayak and his Fanatic Christian missionary supporters. Though CID officials refused to comment whether they considered Nayak as one of the suspects, they said: The mastermind has been identified and he is now out of Orissa. 81 year old Saint Saraswati and four of his associates were gunned down by 30-odd Christian assailants carrying sophisticated weapons at his ashram in Jalespeta of Kandhamal district on the evening of August 23. It led to one of the worst communal conflicts in the history of the. The people of the State believed the Saraswati killing was a revenge attack. An attack on the Swami's vehicle in Kandhamal in December 2007 had sparked off a wave of violence in which three people were killed and several houses gutted. The Sangh Parivar, it is believed, called off its Christmas bandh based on the assurances from the government that Christian missionary Nayak would be arrested. It was one of our demands and we have been given to understand that the process is on, a senior BJP leader said. CID Inspector General of Police Arun Ray said the murder of Saint Saraswati was the result of a conspiracy hatched soon after the December 2007 riots. It was a thorough professional job. The initial plan was hatched by someone else. The actual planning to kill Saint Saraswati was done by a separate group while another group trained the group of killers. One group did not know what the other group was doing. Our challenge is to link up the evidence and present a case before the court that would lead to convictions, said Ray. The police have already arrested seven people, including some Maoists, for the murder. Christian missionary Nayak, a former IAS officer, was once short-listed for the post of Union cabinet secretary during the Deve Gowda regime. He could not make it to the post but in 2004, he was elected to the Rajya Sabha on a Congress ticket. In Kandhamal, he is known as the protector of churches and Christians.
[Goanet] .... has never been communal
Dear Marshall, My reference was specific to the affidavit on the asthi of Swami Laxmananda. Others who were killed [by Maoists or otherwise] with him were cremated and therefore an Asthi Kalash Yatra is possible ... but NOT with the Swami's asthi. People do not get Ph. Ds and other doctor degrees for being stupid. After the 02 June, 2007 Assembly election results, Manohar Parrikar said that the BJP will not attempt to form the Govt. because the people of Goa had not given the BJP a clear mandate. He never said the BJP would not try to topple the Congress-led coalition Govt. The first attempt came in July, 2007. Re-read the whole stuff. One has to read these guys between the lines. Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:27:32 +0530 From: Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] has never been communal Message-ID: ac8096120812280257wcafb3d8p90c734f042905...@mail.gmail.com Miguel Braganza: the concerned Bishop in Orissa even swore a affidavit wrongly stating that VHP leader Dr. Pravin Togadia had threatened an Asti Kalash procession when the most Indians know that swamis are buried. Response: Miguel appears to have been carried away with his eloquence. Extract: Togadia said the *yatra *will go on. *The body of Swamiji was not cremated. His was a samadhi and he was buried. So claims of the asthi-kalash yatra are not true*. However, we will condole his death with a *yatra *across the state, he said, Togadia, unknowing the implication has announced the Asti Kalash Yatra and hence Cheenath has tried his best to stop the yatra and he appears to have succeeded, as today news reportshttp://compreligion.sulekha.com/FCKeditor_2.4.3/fckeditor/editor/fckeditor.html?InstanceName=txtDescare coming that the yatra would not be allowed. http://brahmallahchrist.indiainteracts.com/2008/09/05/%E2%80%9Cswami-lakshmanananda-saraswati-was-no-saint%E2%80%9D-what-is-the-vatican%E2%80%99s-role-in-it/ http://www.dmanewsdesk.com/Business_news-1-20l.html Regards, Marshall When I refered to the meaning of Samir's surname in Konkani, it was Rejected by the Goanet Moderator as being foul, abusive and inappropriate or whatever. Now Samir threatens to post my foul worded private emails to him on the Goanet! ;-) Good try. May be it will slip through. Otherwise well-balanced persons do trip on banana skins ... sometimes! Mog asundi Miguel -- Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
[Goanet] The right to convert
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:57:13 -0500 From: MD mmdme...@gmail.com He will say, on the issue of bush thrown shoes at, which is the worst of insults in the many of the religions, he will argue, if the shoe was thrown at Saddam, he would have been summarily executed (meaning Iraq is a democratic country now). Mario responds: Hey, Morris, I have no idea how Iraq is connected with this thread on the right to convert, so your post may be proof that you may not have understood the discussion that has been going on since Selma's common sense hypothesis that citizens in a free India must have the right to voluntarily change their religion if they wished. However, since the moderators have allowed your post, I guess it is OK for me to go ahead and respond. Regarding your comment above, you must be the only person in the world who does not know that the Baghdad shoe thrower would not have made it out of that interview room alive if Saddam had been his target unless Saddam wanted to have some fun that day and decided to torture him before sending him on his way to meet with Allah and the 72 virgins. In today's Iraq, he is not only alive and well but President Bush, who was nimble enough to dodge the leather missiles, had some fun at his expense because it was President Bush who has led the fight for the Iraqis to be free. In today's Iraq the fool will tried in a court of law and even provided with an attorney at government cost. Besides, since he has begged for a pardon, I don't know what kind of insult did he really achieve? I think he should be sentenced to be insulted with his own shoes and then let go:-)) Finally, since you seem to have missed it in the news, Iraq has been a democracy since its new government was elected by Iraqi citizens and sworn in on May 20, 2006, with all their various diverse factions represented. The liberation is going well enough that the Iraqis will soon be able to manage their own security without US help and the main US forces will be able to go home. MD writes: This Govea should concentrate the Trillions of Dollars that was handed out to the Bush crony billionaires at the same time, the Auto Industry that supports of millions of US workers is kept waiting for the handout and cleverly the oil price has been brought down to below $40 a barrel, millionaire investors have become paupers overnight, Mario responds: What good would it do for this Govea (sic) to concentrate on the financial crisis which is being addressed by the same people who caused it? Just for your information, this Govea (sic) does not run the US government, though the US would be a lot better off if he did:-)) Besides, what does this have to do with liberating Iraq or the right of Indians to convert? It looks like you are still fumbling around trying to make some sense and failing to do so. MD writes: so Govea, please look into some western blogs/websites instead of stirring venom in this forum or visit a doctor, probably you have contacted jaundice, that's why whole world seems yellow to you. Mario responds: FYI, I have my own live-in doctor, thank you, and am happy to report I have no jaundice and even my cancer has disappeared, God and medical science be praised, which is why I am able to clearly see the world for what it is, the good, the bad and the ugly. MD wrote: And please do not use thesaurus to make us to do the same, as simple words will suffice, we may not be as educated as you. Mario responds: There are some Goanetters who are better educated than me and others who may not be. Education imparts knowledge but not always wisdom as we see on a daily basis on Goanet. Though there is not much I can do in a forum like Goanet to teach wisdom - though God knows, I try - I highly recommend the use of a Thesaurus as well as a Dictionary, to reduce the ignorance and codswallop to a minimum.
[Goanet] God sucks or religion?
Hi Sandeep, No 3. is interesting. ARE WE SAYING GOD SUCKS OR RELIGION SUCKS? (only the illiterate and those easily brainwashed say Gods are different). Discarding Religion is possible but not God. Therefore if Religion sucks I agree with you, but not God. Once upon a time white people said African black people were animals and treated them as such. Today even animals like dogs are recognised to have jealousy, emotions, preception, etc. (we already knew about elephants and Apes). What makes you think that all animals (including human animal) do not except God as their creator? - only time will tell. My conclusion is that Samir and you have meant (sorry, assume to say) 'Religion sucks'. ED. --- Sandeep said: 1. Has the concept of God benefited humanity or has it harmed humanity?2. Is religion in its present form good or bad?3. Should the concepts of God and religion be improved or do they needto be discarded altogether?4. Is God a regressive concept or is it a progressive one?A lot of these and similar questions need to be answered. Let's moveforward positively. CheersSandeep
[Goanet] Indian priests in USA
Teotonio R. de Souza, said: In a parish that received an Indian priest, five older couples asked to leave, objecting to his accent. In the end, only three changed parishes. -- Reply: The same was in the 60s and before in UK, till more Indians came from Kenya and then Uganda. Oldies are the worst offenders regards colour till today. That is why I declare that Religion sucks not God. ED.
Re: [Goanet] Deflections To The Right
A critical reader would be able to tell why the post appended below and the initial post in this thread were meant to project a one-sided biased view against Hindu NRIs and their organizations in the U.S. Here are the reasons: 1. The author of the post gratuitously initiated this thread with the subject Deflections To The Right, and yet provided a link and excerpt to an article talking only about deflections of Hindus and Hindu organizations to the right. 2. He dredged up an article from 2002, and posted it here, without bothering to find out if any of the accusations in it were investigated, and found to be valid or false over the subsequent 6 years. 3. He did not tell Goanetters that the British Charity Commission has investigated these allegations against two Hindu charities in 2005, and have found them to be baseless and unfounded. It has completely exonerated the charities. 4. Accusations of spreading bigotry and divisiveness have been made against Christian and Muslim charitable organizations as well, and yet the author conveniently did not post any of the articles highlighting them in this forum under the general topic Deflections To The Right. So he wants Goanetters to believe that it is only Hindus who are deflecting to the right. 5. He wants readers to believe that Hindu NRIs in the U.S. can be easily taken for a ride. They are not smart enough to figure out if their money is being used for legitimate and peaceful purposes or not. Cheers, Santosh P.S. BTW, The India Development and Relief Fund, against which these unsubstantiated allegations were made is one of the largest international Indian charities, and has as its partner such respected and important U.S. charity as United Way. Please see http://www.idrf.org/ for information on it. --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com wrote: 1. It is interesting how the poster draws conclusions that Hindu NRI's are being shown in bad light when the article, in fact, states just the opposite. That Hindu NRI's are being taken for a ride by certain organisations by being led to believe that they are contributing to temples and charity whereas these funds are channelled towards hate and violence.
[Goanet] The Right to Convert
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:36:52 +0530 From: Dr. U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com After all his postings on this subject I see Mario Goveia running away!!! Mario responds: Dr. Barad, We have already established that you often do not understand what is being written in a thread before you respond, sometimes with unbelievable codswallop, as you did in wrongly citing a Supreme Court decision that did not even support your case. Thus, you can continue to bury your head in the sand but you cannot escape the fact that you did not understand what Selma had written in her original post in this thread, which I have explained in the following post: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-December/085809.html Now you are reduced to responding to my specific explanations with vapid generalities which make no sense and do not address either the topic or the specific points raised in a post you are responding to. You have become like a stuck record on this thread. Dr. Barad wrote: YOU, including some others think that GOANET is meant only for Goan CHRISTIANS or for those with Christian identity. Mario responds: More codswallop from Dr. Barad. I have been as objective in responding to those with Christian surnames as I have been with anyone else and I never distinguish anyone by their caste or creed. I doubt Dr. Barad, or anyone else for that matter, can cite any examples where I have suggested that Goanet is meant only for Christians or for those with a Christian identity or cite a post where I have shown any bias in favor of someone who may be a Christian. Just ask Marshall, Gilbert, Selma, Edward, Morris and a host of others too numerous to be listed here:-)) However, I think what we will see from Dr. Barad is more smoke and mirrors to create the appearance that he knows what he is talking about. In fact, I was one of the few defenders of Sonal Shah when a small cabal began to slander her without any evidence to support their allegations, even though she is my political adversary in the US. I have also repeatedly advocated that Christians who are found to have forced anyone to convert against their will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and have described the Crusaders and perpetrators of the Inquisition as Christian-fascists on par with Al Qaeda and other radical Muslims who use force in the name of religion. Dr. Barad wrote: Don't run away from Goanet for you have to answer queries that follow your responses. Mario responds: You must be the only one on Goanet who thinks I run away from anything. I'm sure any one of the Goanet moderators will confirm that THEY wish I would run away more often:-)) This is yet another example where we see evidence that Dr. Barad is either unable to understand what is going on on Goanet - especially how often I post, what I write and to whom, and he is also unable to refer to the archives to see how ridiculous his comment above must seem to everyone else, who have often joined the moderators in suggesting that I should run away more often:-))
Re: [Goanet] .... has never been communal
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:31:49 +0530 From: Sandeep Heble sandeephe...@gmail.com The name calling/branding of people you do not agree with needs to be avoided. Mario adds: Hey, Sandeep, since you think . has never been communal, even though he initiated a thread for no apparent reason that only reads God sucks, and you and he can then insinuate out of thin air that atheists are tolerant and humane and as pure as the wind driven snow, I assume your advice above is for the rest of us, and does not apply to . and you, whom the rest of us are relying on to explain what . meant, using selective presumptions, regardless of what . actually wrote.
[Goanet] Add your book to OpenLibrary.org
If you have written, edited or published a book recently (or even read one), while not add it to OpenLibrary.org? One example of a book recently added (anyone can add it): http://openlibrary.org/b/OL22771072M To add a book, go here: http://openlibrary.org/addbook First, you just need to take on your own login, a two minute process: http://openlibrary.org/account/register Rgds, FN -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490
[Goanet] Ref: Maxenacho Combo - Aunt's Rooster
Maxenacho Combo - Aunt's Rooster My first encounter with the magnificent farm bird was when I was six years old, I had just come back from Bombay where I had spent a couple of years of my young life before that I don't remember anything of Goa. I was brought to Goa to be admitted at the then famous Loyola High School. It was the summer of 1966, We had a three room small mud house by a small hill side and a few meters away was my aunty's house. There was no electricity at that time, I was very uncomfortable, after being used to the well lit Bombay and scared of darkness at first. Apart from me, my mom and my two elder sisters lived in the house, dad was working on the ship. After going through my surroundings, I was getting worried indeed, a huge bread fruit tree at the side of the house belonging to my aunt, hill on one side and to top it all pigs and fowls every where all belonging to my Aunt. I was a very light sleeper right form my child hood. Very early in the morning I was awakened by a nasty cry which sounded cock re cock a few number of time, it looked like as though it came a few yards from where I lay and the noise continued ever few minutes, this damn thing was disturbing my sleep, I sat on my mat and my mom came running baba nidd panch oram zatat timga assa to rodtta to Maxenacho combo, what ever it was I wanted to kill it. With the continues pounding of cock re cock in my ears I couldn't sleep any more but just lay on the mat, thinking of a solution. One thing had struck me, how on earth did my Mom know that it was five in the morning ? She kept her watch in the jewelry box hidden in the cupboard with clothes around it. As day light began to creep in I was up and about breathing fresh air and enjoying the beautiful surroundings it was then that I noticed a magnificent bird perched on the roof of our house, I knew it was a fowl out of a good many belonging to my Aunt but among them all, this one stood out like an unicorn among horses. It was heavily built, with a slightly longish neck which moved in all direction in a very agile manner, it had a nasty looking huge beak with a magnificent frill that resembled the top of the Roman soldier's head gear, on top of the head and a smaller one that connected it's lower jaw to the neck, from round the neck to the wings were colourful feathers flowing downwards followed by black feathered powerful built body and a majestic arched tail that matched the colour on the neck and two feet with huge frightening claws. What a magnificent bird was that ? At that very moment as though he wanted me to see him in all his glory, he spread his wide black wings stood tall on his stretched feet and with a particular movement of his neck went cock re cock, cock, cock, cock re cock this was something I had not seen in my life before. He repeated it a few more times, his showmanship and performance was excellent. It was at this moment I fell in love with this magnificent bird. As young as I was I began to follow it's trail, as soon as I was too close, he would swipe his agile neck and snap his ugly beak in my direction and run off, I also noticed that he could not fly a long distance and every time he tried to fly away from me he would go cock re cock, cock, cock, cock re cock and all the rest of the fowls would cry the same way it looked all the fowls were hysterical but his cry out did the rest. In times like these some of the mother hens around would gather their chicks and push them under their wings and the chicks would stop their twittering and stay quite and motionless under the mother's wings, my aunty would come out and scold me for chasing her fowls away. During their feed time at noon they would somehow be in close proximity of the back entrance of my Aunt's house, when feed was thrown around nobody dared come close to this big bird, even when he made his way close to the other males, they would just repel like magnetic poles of the same kind, but he would be accommodating to the females, his dominance was so great that no other male came close to the hens and even if they dared, he would instantly make his presence felt. Sometimes he would stretch one of the wings to the ground close to the leg and go round the female tur, it looked like a ritual dance, most of the time hens would run in all direction and sometimes he would run after them, perch himself on top and tangle his tale with the hen's and then dismount and both would shudder a little and every thing would be normal, some times when my cousins, who were much elder to me were witnesses to this act, would often be amused and laughing say falleam sure tantem assa I was totally ignorant of the act and one day it so happened that Dad was down and we were all sitting in the verandah when the same thing happened and I shouted innocently falleam sure tantem assa and I could feel my Dad's eye's burning a hole in my face, Ooops !! I knew I had said something I shouldn't have
Re: [Goanet] God Sucks
Dears, The latest news is that former KGB Spy-turned- President-turned-PM, Vladamir Putin, is trying to make the former President of USSR, Joseph Stalin the GREATEST RUSSIAN in History. That is the latest story. I would toast to that with a Molotov cocktail, one of the concoctions of Russia during Stalin's life and times as an Atheist. K. Karunanidhi was enamoured with Stalin enough to name his son and successor as Stalin. Stalin was a very effective ruler: not for nothing is the multi-barrel artillery piece known as Stalin's organ. He likes its tunes ...and the cries of the prisoners he sent to Siberia for winter holidays! I do not know if they still have badminton courts in Siberia. ;-) Frederick has put religion in a wonderful perspective : knife or a dagger! Last month we were discussing if tobacco should be grown as an organic crop. We all know that Tobacco is a killer. The question that settled the issed was: Does it matter if the knife used to kill was made of food-grade, aseptic, sterilised, stainless steel or of rusty iron? If one was using the knife to cut food stuff, it is a different issue. Mog asundi Miguel Message: 3 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:52:49 +0530 From: Frederick \FN\ Noronha f...@goa-india.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] God Sucks Message-ID: 8ea78e010812280922r5dc814a7sa3d6edbfb9253...@mail.gmail.com Can I rephrase the questions below... one could understand different things: 2008/12/28 Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com 1. Has the knife benefitted humanity or has it harmed humanity? 2. Is the knife, in its present form, good or bad? 3. Should the design of the knife be improved, or does it need to be discarded altogether? 4. Is the knife a regressive concept or is it a progressive one? :-) FN -- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:09:34 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net Message-ID: 574032.27276...@web82407.mail.mud.yahoo.com Samir's God sucks was not an oxymoron; simply a gratuitous, moronic and vicious insult with no mitigating factors, and Sandeep's presumption in trying to defend this indefensible insult confusing presumption with logic is like putting lipstick on a pig and optimistically entering it in a beauty pageant. To add insult to injury, Samir and Sandeep then went on to claim tolerance as an atheist trait, and blame intolerance, death and destruction in the world on religion whereas some of the worst evildoers in history have been atheists, which they conveniently failed to mention until reminded. Besides, initiating and making excuses for the concept of God sucks is itself an example of intolerance. -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 miguelbraga...@yahoo.co.in -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
[Goanet] Konkani Martyrs, who and why they are trying to suppress these incidents?
Hi Friends, Very recently we have 22nd death anniversary of the Konkani Martyrs.During the height of Language agitation we new that seven young boys had been brutally murdered. Floriano Vaz became the first Konkani Martyr who fell to the bullets of one constable from Gujrat and the six other youths who were tortured and murdered/ killed by the bullets of the enemies of Konkani at Adoxim Mandur.I had remembered all the konkani martyrs and give this news to all the English news paper but surprisingly not a single daily had the courage and courtesy to publish or remember them on that day.It is only after request from some quarter Herald has published it today dt.29-12-08under title Konkani Martyrs I know it took me six years to highlight the ISSUE of Dr.Jack de Sequeira till my organization Merces Civic Consumer Forum managed to organize functions like his birthday and Opinion Poll day (16th of Jan every year) along with the activiets senior citizens of Opinion Poll. It was the Gramsabha resolutions from Merces Village Panchayat and active support of HERALD Goa is lucky to have two Statue of the Father of the Opinion Poll thanks to Dr.Sequeira fly and Calangute Sarpanch Mr.Joseph Sequeira. (Nodoubt I will manage to highlight the issue of Konkani Martyrs too along with the other konkani lovers from all over the world as I know in democracy the minorities had to work hard to meet their demands.In Dr.Sequeira's case it took ONLY 40 yrs for a statue so it may require another 18 yrs for Konkani Martyrs to get recognition, M'I RIGHT ?
[Goanet] TOTT: Utt Goemkara!
TOTT: Utt Goemkara! Nidentlo UTT Goemkara. Then Make Some NOISE Goemkara Then Make Some MONEY Goemkara Then porot NID Goemkara Then again, say after six months (Like Kumbakaran in Hindu Mythology, who sleeps for 6 months..) UTT Goemkara, BOVALL mar Goemkara, POIXE kor Goemkara Ani uprant porot NID Goemkara So, what's TOTT ? Is it 'Trucks On Train Tacks'? http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMn9r9wlEU or Testing on the Toilet ? Think on These Things ? Tools of the Trade ? Talk Of The Town ? joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Beggars keep pace with Volvos, use stilts to reach passengers arriving in Goa.
--- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre (GDRC) Email: goad...@bsnl.in --- -- Beggars keep pace with Volvos! -- The beggars in Mapusa seem to have augmented their skills with the usage of stilts that enable them to compete with the Volvo heights in circus style . Perhaps unable to come in close contacts with the passengers arriving in Goa from Mumbai and elsewhere by Volvo buses, the beggars have now come out with innovative style of begging on stilts, which bring them, face-to-face with passengers. Having completed with the begging for the day, they coolly walk off carrying their stilts. Considering the terror threats, precautionary measures should be taken by the police as the stilts could be used as a weapon to harm passengers that don't oblige such stilt-toting beggars. Will the concerned authorities clamp down on these beggars who use stilts in order to ensure the safety of bus passengers? HERALD 29/12/08 page 2 GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:goad...@bsnl.in goad...@bsnl.in --- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy =
Re: [Goanet] Confidential report in the file
--- On Sat, 12/27/08, Dr. U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com wrote: To read more on this topic click the link provided below: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/net-closes-in-on-cong-mp-for-orissa-swamis-murder/403507/ The article copied and posted below from the above link appears to have been deliberately altered by the above poster. He has tampered with its text by inserting communally-tinged sensational words such as Fanatic and Christian Missionary Nayak, which were not present in the original text. This type of intentional corruption of a news report for some political or communal purpose cannot be tolerated in a public forum such as this one. I would like to thank a contributor to the GX forum for pointing this mischief out to us. Cheers, Santosh --- On Sat, 12/27/08, Dr. U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com wrote: Bhubaneswar : The BJD-BJP government in Orissa is closing in on Fanatic Christian Congress Rajya Sabha member and former civil servant Radhakanta Nayak for his role in the conspiracy to kill Lakshmanananda Saraswati. .. The Criminal Investigation Department (CID) of Orissa police is said to be preparing a case against Nayak and his Fanatic Christian missionary supporters. the assurances from the government that Christian missionary Nayak would be arrested. It was one of our demands and we have been given to understand that the process is on, a senior BJP leader said.
[Goanet] MIA in Mumbai and Goa, too - trained security personnel
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-luttwak5-2008dec05,0,7905913.story Excerpts: Those who live in Tel Aviv, New York or London need not fear a Mumbai episode. If 10 infantry-trained terrorists were to attack those cities, local police with their own hostage-rescue teams would quickly deal with them. But in India, the reality is that local police cannot be expected to react usefully to a terrorist attack, or indeed any form of armed attack, as they would in many other countries -- for example, sealing off the area and summoning help. Instead, Mumbai and India's other mega-cities are policed by semi-illiterate constables who deal only with petty crime as they make their rounds, drinking free tea in cafes and accepting small gifts from shopkeepers for chasing away intrusive beggars. They hardly ever stop inter-religious or inter-caste violence and are reluctant to engage anyone with a firearm. It's not that India is unfamiliar with terrorism. According to recent data from India's Home Ministry, about 7,000 Indians have been killed in terrorist incidents since 2004 -- mostly but not exclusively by Muslim extremists. Obviously the nation has needed a much better-educated, better-paid, better-trained national anti-terrorist police unit for years, but none has been established. Thus the forces available to fight the terrorists in Mumbai were pathetically inadequate in quantity, quality or both. [end of excerpts]
[Goanet] Division of India,
India was divided by British,with the help of some of barristers of India into two.Bharat and Pakistan(East West).After twentyfive years East-Pakistan was named Bangladesh.But both Pakistan and Bangladesh have one constitutional religion.They also have one constitutional language,namely Urdu for West-Pakistan and Bengali for Bangladesh.What about Bharat? It has two names India i.e.Bharat,by constitution and 24 official languages.Leaving one language,Sanskrit, rest 23 languages can form theirown states.But it has SATYAMEVA JAYATEas its logo in all courts of law.So status of corruption does not remain constant and continues growing.Because law will take its care and not the state.Que Sera Sera-Whatever will be will be. With best wishes for year 2009, Shyam V.Bale,Mumbai.
[Goanet] Additional armed CISF at Dabolim Airport, Salman Khan Mukesh Ambani to visit Goa ?
--- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre (GDRC) Email: goad...@bsnl.in --- -- Additional armed CISF at Dabolim Airport The Airport Authority of India, Goa has reinforced additional armed Central Industrial Security Force (CISF) in an around the premises of Dabolim Airport. Informing the security arrangements at Dabolim Airport, the airport director, Mr D Paul Manickam said that the AAI has geared up to face any challenge in terms of security as the state have a terror threat. Mr Manickam stated that with the recent terror attack in Mumbai, the central government as well as state government have applied the security force with arms in an around Dabolim airport and round the clock patrolling is maintained by the CISF and local police. The airport authority has already stopped the visitors entering into the terminal premises and also the vehicles are not allowed to park in the airport premises in view of the terror threat. The entire airport premises have been under the security check and in order to store every visual of the passengers, close circuit TV cameras are installed at every point. The airport authority have also set up bunkers at the entrance and exit points besides in the premises of the airport and it is being manned by armed CISF and local police round the clock, informed Mr Manickam. Meanwhile, according to sources, film star, Salman Khan besides other Bollywood actor/actresses are going to visit Goa in view of New Year celebration. Industrialist, Mr Mukesh Ambani and his family members will also visit Goa. The security at Dabolim Airport will be tightened till January first week as there are chances of more celebrities and business house people to pay visit in the state. The Navhind Times 29/12/08 page 5 GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:goad...@bsnl.in goad...@bsnl.in --- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy =
[Goanet] Goa news for December 30, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Goa: Asia\'s Biggest Musical Beach Party off to a Colorful Start - Daijiworld.com [Dec 28, 2008] by Kalakruthi Panaji, Dec 28: 'Sunburn Goa 08' the Asia's biggest musical beach party has started with a bang at the Candolim beach in north Goa http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=55198n_tit=Goa%3A+Asia's+Biggest+Musical+Beach+Party+off+to+a+Colorful+Startcid=1283383427ei=i2tZSanxBYLGMsXL3JQCusg=AFQjCNEo8cMd44wGwLEn_-li_mZYHdSGwA *** Goa awaits for tourists - NDTV.com [Dec 27, 2008] Goa is waiting for tourists though, December is usually the peak tourist season for the coastal state. But this year after the terror strike in Mumbai and ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080077900cid=1283960970ei=i2tZSanxBYLGMsXL3JQCusg=AFQjCNFhZfC81266l_P8SUDb0tK1j0M8vw *** Tourism to Goa takes beating after Mumbai attacks - The Associated Press [Dec 22, 2008] The only thing missing from Goa's beaches are the throngs of merrymakers who normally flock here for the hedonistic year-end parties. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ginEZKFv1ofJ2kiVuG7Zd_6AOqXAD957UFE80cid=1282504076ei=i2tZSanxBYLGMsXL3JQCusg=AFQjCNFd705GZ2iNagQIPxtOa7cB6CmpFg *** Jessica Alba in a Tamil film? - IndiaGlitz [16 hours ago] The latest buzz doing the rounds is that Jessica Alba has been approached by the makers of the film 'Goa'. The film is to be directed by Venkat Prabhu and ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/43947.htmlcid=1283504692ei=i2tZSanxBYLGMsXL3JQCusg=AFQjCNGVj--9f-fiBJG5qaewUa945klghA *** Xmas cheer for girls - Times of India [8 hours ago] Go Goa: Goa continues to be a hit with many when it comes to partying. Lots of guests shared their plans of celebrating New Years eve in Goa. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Delhi/Xmas_cheer_for_girls/articleshow/3908668.cmscid=0ei=i2tZSanxBYLGMsXL3JQCusg=AFQjCNHPjZiuz700vm7wpxKiwsa2WTFDTg *** Sunburn delights music buffs in Goa - RadioandMusic.com [13 hours ago] The festival, whose fate had come under a cloud of speculation after the Goa government clamped down on all beach parties in view of the continuing terror ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.radioandmusic.com/content/editorial/news/sunburn-delights-music-buffs-goacid=0ei=i2tZSanxBYLGMsXL3JQCusg=AFQjCNHeLX2BqTKhPFpH8v2QI0wmg4Xj0Q *** Goan tourist security force soon - Times of India [Dec 27, 2008] PANAJI: Goa could be the first state in the country to set up a tourist security force (TSF), a concept proposed by the Union tourism ministry. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goan_tourist_security_force_soon/articleshow/3903009.cmscid=0ei=i2tZSanxBYLGMsXL3JQCusg=AFQjCNEpD4tZZGgfZ3wAppR-_X6cHJRb_w *** Surveillance stepped up along Goa coast - Times of India [Dec 27, 2008] PANAJI: In view of the heightened security concerns along the Goan coast, the Coast Guard has requisitioned additional forces and stepped up coastal ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Surveillance_stepped_up_along_Goa_coast/articleshow/3901780.cmscid=0ei=i2tZSanxBYLGMsXL3JQCusg=AFQjCNHvXF13IhMqGSvmGnvZ2P0R2MlhQw *** Indias iron ore exports may fall as China demand seen temporary - Economic Times [4 hours ago] PANAJI: Iron ore exports may be on the rise - thanks to a spurt in demand from China - but the slump is far from over, fear Goas iron ore exporters. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/Economy/Indias_iron_ore_exports_may_fall_as_China_demand_seen_temporary_/articleshow/3911041.cmscid=0ei=i2tZSanxBYLGMsXL3JQCusg=AFQjCNEZHRGHrt77iDuQRA7n-Z3WEEKXDQ *** Tourism industry perking up in Goa after Christmas - Hindu Business Line [Dec 28, 2008] PANAJI: Goa's tourism industry is bouncing back to normalcy after successful Christmas festivities, feel the experts. The State, which is witnessing ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/blnus/27281610.htmcid=1284720486ei=i2tZSanxBYLGMsXL3JQCusg=AFQjCNFExu4WRj5iMZXBjl87XfA7aAftlw Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Goa state level temple security samiti resolves to enroll 1000 mandir rakhshak
--- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre (GDRC) Email: goad...@bsnl.in --- - Mahasabha held at Bicholim - The Tapobhumi pithadish pooja swamiji maharaj Shri Brahmeshanandacharya said that the Hindu temples in the country is the glory of the nation and they have to be safeguarded by Hindu people with their united strength. Swamiji was addressing the mahasabha on Sunday evening organised by Hindhu Janjagruti Samiti, Goa at Shivaji maidan, Bicholim. Swamiji lit the traditional lamp to inaugurate the mahasabha. He expressed deep concern over the incidents of vandalising of Hindu temples. Swamiji said that all Hindus have to unite in order to provide security and safety to our temples.He also said that youth have to actively participate in strengthening the Hindu organisations in the country. Meanwhile, a state level temple security samiti has decided to organise a meet of the Hindu people on December 30 at 6 p.m at Bicholim. The decision was taken in the meeting of the workers of the temple security samiti at Bicholim recently. It was resolved in the meeting to enroll 1000 mandir rakhshak, said the convenor of the samiti, Mr Vithal Vernekar. -- The Navhind Times 29/12/08 page 3 -- GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:goad...@bsnl.in goad...@bsnl.in --- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy =
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[Goanet] Goanet Highlights - December 21 to December 27, 2008
Goanet Highlights - December 21 to December 27, 2008 Compiled by: Selma Carvalho Web-version at: http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=1132 The debate this week on Goanet centered around the Right to convert and tolerance of religious beliefs.[1] The star post of this week was that of Sandeep Heble, who argued why tolerance of religious beliefs should also extend to tolerance towards lack of religious beliefs. 1: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-December/085837.html Cecil Pinto puts us in the Christmas spirit [2] with his renditions of Contemporary Christmas Carols. 2: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-December/085750.html Valmiki Faleiro takes a look at the long and twisted tale of Goan music [3] through the ages. 3: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-December/085694.html Writer and journalist, George Menezes, tells a Christmas Story with a twist.[4] 4: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-December/085755.html Goanet Reader brought us an article by Augusto Pinto which was first published in 1996. When Augusto wrote the article he was a man ahead of his time. In 1996, the first schism of communal discord were beginning to appear in Goa [5]. Since then the situation has been exploited by political parties and has become even more pronounced. 5: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-December/085818.html Accidental activist, Venita Coelho, tells us what exactly the RP2021 promises Goans.[6] 6: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-December/085832.html JoeGoaUK this week tingled our visual sensory circuitry with photographs of Goan Christmas sweets.[7] 7: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-December/085840.html In a fascinating article, entitled Goan Surnames [8] journalist Valmiki Faleiro looks at the origins of Goan surnames and their evolution through the years. 8: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-December/085855.html Dr Teotonio de Souza, forwarded a link on how Indian priests [9] are making a difference in the US. 9: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-December/085877.html In response to writer Victor Rangel-Ribeiro's remarks in an interview [10] published in the Herald, that sloppy writers in Goa are giving self-publishing a bad name, Venantius Pinto looks at the pros and cons of self-publishing, in a post entitled, what can you expect from a people who read so little? 10: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-December/085907.html Web-version at: http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=1132 Send your feedback to goa...@goanet.org To subscribe to Goanet: http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org http://www.goanet.org Where Goans Connect
[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (30Dec08)
The OLD MAN I'm burning is the Politician with his Wars.Terrorism...Corruption...etc. May the New Breed bring Peace in 2009 To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org
[Goanet] Indian priests in USA
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:26:32 + (Hora padrão de GMT) From: Teotonio R. de Souza teodeso...@netcabo.pt http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/us/28priest.html? pagewanted=1_r=2themc=th Excerpt: But in another church, a parishioner had only one question: How dark is his skin?? Mario responds: One parishioner had one question? Wow! What percentage of the parishioners was this one parishioner? Does this mean anything significant statistically that anyone should be concerned about? BTW, in the USA, almost every Indian is dark in comparison with most of the population. Excerpt: Some of the foreign priests had confided their apprehensions to Father Venters. They had studied American history in school and knew about racism, the civil rights movement and the Ku Klux Klan. I told them that, as much as I hated it, there is prejudice but it's nothing like when I was growing up Father Venters said. In a parish that received an Indian priest, five older couples asked to leave, objecting to his accent. In the end, only three changed parishes. Mario responds: To begin with, if I could not understand the priests's accent I would leave the parish, too. This is simple common sense, not racism. How is it that these foreign priests who studied American history did not know that the US is one of the least racist countries in the world today? Why did they not know about the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or that the Ku Klux Klan has been virtually put out of business, primarily by white Americans? In the meantime, Hidutva and the RSS and the VHP still function legally in India. Why did they think there were millions of non-white immigrants clamoring to get American residency and citizenship, and coming into the USA in droves, legally or illegally? Does the author or Fr. Ventners know that there is far more racism and communalism in India today than there is in the USA? Why did Fr. Vintners not point out to the foreign priests that there is now a black US President, on top of numerous big city Mayors, legislators, athletes, entertainers and businessmen and women who are non-white in America today? Why did he not know that Indians today are one of the most respected ethnic communities in the USA, and that the son of an Indian immigrant is the elected and very popular and respected Governor of the State of Louisiana? Why did he not tell them that President-elect Obama has appointed an Indian woman as one of his top economic advisers? Were these foreign priests and Fr. Ventners so incredibly ignorant as the author makes them out to be, or is the author biased and dishonest? Given that this is a writer for the New York Times, my guess is the latter. In Detroit near where I live, there are four parishes where the Parish Priest is an Indian. Not one of them have complained of any bias - just the opposite - their white American parishioners are sad when they leave. I have met numerous Indian priests serving in American parishes, and almost invariably the local Americans, mostly white, have raised money to build churches, community centers, schools, hospitals and/or health clinics for the villages of these priests in India.
Re: [Goanet] Loud Music Noise Pollution
To, The Aministrator, Sir, I am one of the Citizens' Committee member of the Noise Pollution Committee (North Goa) instituted on the directives of the Bombay High Court at Goa, working with various authorities to reduce the ill effects of Loud Music Noise Pollution. The below reproduced SMS has been sent to the authorities as well as to other members on the committee for information as a result of having been advised by various people from the Calangute-Baga Coastal belt over a period of few days that the sound decibels in various shacks have gone up a hundred fold with authorities giving deaf ears to the complaints. As such the text of the SMS is self explanatory. I take this opportunity to remind you that I have gone back to the HC of Bombay at Goa in a 'Contempt Petition' against Ponda Police Inspector Shri. Manjunath Dessai in particular and other authorities for disclosing the identity of the complainant as a result the complaint's house was stoned by irate mobs. The Petition is ongoing and in the process of being admitted. This Comtempt Petition was filed w.r..t. the Suo Moto Writ Petition 97 of 1997 which I had filed to challenge the authorities for abetting Loud Music Noise Pollution in the state using the weak anti-noise pollution act called the now withdrawn Madhya Pradesh Noise Pollution Act. To think of it that I am still fighting the authorities on this issue even to this date does not go well with the governance of this state. Sd/- Floriano Lobo 9890470896 2470223 [Text of the SMS] sent today December 29, 2008 at 0900 p.m.] To, Mihir Vardhan, Collector (N) S. Naik, Addl. Col. (N) M. Corjuenkar, Dy. Col. Bardez. Bosco George, SP (N) Gundu Naik, DYSP Calangute. S. Goltekar, DYSP Mapusa. Ranjana Saudagar, mbr. NPC, Desmond Alvares,mbr. NPC John Lobo, Shack Owner's Assoc. Press Sirs, I am receiving reports from the Calangute-baga belt on consistent basis that shacks Pyramid/San/Lucky Star and various others are chronic violators of Loud Music norms thro playing deafeaningly loud music upto 3 a.m. with larger than human power speaker columns mounted in respective shacks. How come such powerful speaker systems allowed in shacks where music is supposed to be played for listening pleasure, if at all? Notices served by Police to all shack owners et al sometime time back have come to naught? I have reason to believe police are asking for complaint's names but fail to take action. This is a serious complaint. If you guys in authority do not stop this nonsense forthwith, I will personally look for some sympathetic Terrorists, PAKISTANI if need be, and have these places as well as your offices BOMBED for good measure to bring back peace. This communication will find its way to the High Court shortly with a CONTEMPT PETITION, rest assured if this sickness is not stopped forthwith on permanent basis. floriano lobo mbr. NPC End
[Goanet] Crony Capitalism
Crony Capitalism - This article is likely to be of specific interest to British and Canadian Goanetters. All could learn from the economics of 'extending beyond ones means'. The Isle That Rattled the World. Tiny Iceland Created a Vast Bubble, Leaving Wreckage Everywhere When It Popped http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123032660060735767.html#project%3DSLIDESHOW08%26s%3DSB122937618809908147%26articleTabs%3Darticle Regards GL
[Goanet] Goanet Reader: The doyen of Goan writing in English (interview with Victor Rangel-Ribeiro)
The doyen of Goan writing in English Victor Rangel-Ribeiro is a name closely connected with the resurgence that Goan writing in English has seen in recent years. An octogenarian, what's admirable about him is not just the high-energy levels with which he works on his craft, but also his generosity in sharing his skills and mentoring others keen to enter the world of writing books and more. Excerpts from an interview with Frederick 'FN' Noronha, as Rangel-Ribeiro returns to Goa for this annual sojourn. This time, to be based in Altinho (Panjim) while his ancestral home at Alto Porvorim gets a facelift. FN: How do you judge the current trajectory of Goan writing in English? Growing in number, lacking in quality, offering a lot of potential, or what? VRR: Growing in quantity, certainly; improving in quality, because selected writers are becoming more conscious of their craft and technique and are writing better. They in turn are influencing others. I think the Goa Writers Group [http://goawriters.notlong.com] is playing a significant role here. They are like the yeast that causes dough to rise; with good yeast one can make good bread. I see a lot of potential in the writers I meet, a potential limited only by personal factors such as time, technique, and determination. FN: How does expat writing compare to the work of writers back in Goa? What do you see as the main differences and contrasts? Are there similarities, too? VRR: Expat writing is no different from the work of writers in Goa. We have our good writers and our sloppy writers. The main difference is that our sloppy writers overseas fall by the wayside much faster; in Goa, they rush to a local printer and become 'published' authors. The sloppy writers in Goa who self-publish their books then give self-publication a bad name, thus muddying the waters for the good writers in Goa who also decide to self-publish their books. FN: From your interaction with young writers in Goa -- and you have many such -- what do you feel of their potential, their shortcomings, and the challenges they need to work on? VRR: I feel they have great potential, but this potential is limited by an equally great ego. Somehow some of them have come to believe that whatever they write is perfect as soon as they have set it down on paper, and therefore needs no improvement. Revision is an alien concept. Rewrite? Why? This is already very clear! is a protest I hear more often in Goa than I would from one of my writing students at Fairleigh Dickinson University in New Jersey. So the greatest challenge young writers here have to work on is their own sense of self. They need to realize perfection is a goal they have to strive for, not something they have already achieved or were born with. I have gained some success as a writer, but not only do I regard each manuscript as a work in progress, but I also regard myself, the writer, as a 'work in progress'. I am continually trying to improve my writing skills, learning almost every day from writers who are better than I am. FN: Could you mention three most crucial things that Goa needs to be doing, so as to give a push to writing and creative endeavours here? VRR: Goa needs to develop the reading habit. Goa needs to establish a well-stocked, up-to-date, professionally staffed and inviting public library in every village. Goans need to buy books for their home bookshelves, to recommend books that they like to their friends, and to give books that they like as presents, giving them as birthday and Christmas gifts, and sometimes giving them for no reason at all. FN: Whom do you rate as the three most promising young Goan fiction writers today? VRR: Frederick, I'm 83 years old. To me, every other writer is a young writer, including Damodar Mauzo, who is a senior writer, and Margaret Mascarenhas, who will soon have a blockbuster on the international scene! Recently, I read several ghost stories by Venita Coelho, and I found some of them to be really quite out of the ordinary. So I would regard Venita as a promising young Goan fiction writer. Because I live overseas for most of the year, I'm not aware of other young writers who are publishing short stories locally. Jose [Lourenco] writes an occasional story in English, but has now switched to Konkani. If you name some names, I'll be glad to look at their work. FN: How do you compare writing in English, with writing in other languages (in Goa, or the diaspora)? I'm not sure I understand the question fully, and even if I did, I'm not sure I'd be qualified to answer it. Writers writing in English, and those writing in Konkani, Marathi, and
[Goanet] MUSHAIRA to condemn TERRORISM
Dear Fleming, To your surprise at the New Year functions being cancelled, we must remember that we are a minority, and as such must stand down in terms of rejoicing at a time when the collective mood in the reasonably proud people that we are, has turned sombre.One may only rejoice when the entire body is largely keen on celebrating. Celebrating at such a time, will not go well when Indians are rethinking themselves, and what it is that hit the sidereal masses as well as upper classes. Safety is important. What would one do if a couple of women were waylaid or disappeared. Give such things a thought. It is a very real possibility and not just for the sidereal masses. For all we know the upper classes (perhaps not even Catholics) are having their bals du guillotine (the lurid dancers mimicking those gullotined during the French Revolution--the body as it shuddered before going limp), and will have a grand time, and this too may get revealed, but even that be true, it is not for us to feel affronted. Also there is more to us than dances. Soon they too will go cosmopolitan, as cultural accouterments often do. Btw, I am not trying to teach you anything, but stay with me. Also, a minority (such as Christians in India) when it faces atrocities of the kind you mention below should avoid protesting immediately. This point is moot. The minority has to allow individuals and bodies within the majority to have their say. Only then should they reveal their hurt, it will none the less shold on the faces, but simultaneously affirm their oneness. this is critical, and Christian too. In 1999/2000, after the then atrocities against Christians, I looked forward for any artist to historically fix a point--stand witness though a work, not in vain that a priest had been beheaded, another paraded naked. To my knowledge nothing happened. Artists like Leon Golub were different. They were Jews and whose reality was totally different from anything Christians have yet encountered in India. Anyway, I created a body of work, since I could not let this go by. The theme was Speculatio: reflections on a scourge. Seculatio, from the Latin; reflections of the contemplative soul. A few things happened/ have happened. One woman on Goanet - a Muslim asked me why only for Christians and not when Muslims get attacked. She received a fair response, but I did not receive a response back. Earlier this year, I was dragged into a huge discussion (I have all the material) by another woman. It began innocuously enough with a forward on Christians being attacked somewhere, then when I asked as to why I am being sent this Goa was mentioned, then the fact that I had done this body of work and presented it abroad, and before one could say boo, it was a maelstrom. The idea was to supposedly reveal communal agenda, and perhaps use it in some way. You cannot beat that. Every point I made, and believe me I articulated well and even joked as to how I saw myself sort of as a bastardized being, was manipulated. Even an endearing term (or the attempt at being endearing) Quit it kid was pointed out as me talking down. Again, I am thankful that I have the entire email chain. It was bad manipulation but it was used all the way. So maybe those guys know a thing or too, although they may not react as people may like them to. Anyway, I do not have anything more to say. Very drained. Take care folks. venantius j pinto to condemn TERRORISM To: fleming rodrigues flemingsh...@hotmail.com Cc: janerodrigu...@rediffmail.com On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 fleming rodrigues wrote : I am surprised and appalled that many of the Catholic organisations and gymkhanas --- Bandra, Wellingdon, Catholic to name a few stopped all their Christmas and New Year functions in so called solidarity and grief. How come none of these concerned citizens showed any compassion and feelings when churches were being burnt, nuns were being raped and priests were being tortured? These gyms merely turned a blind eye and let life carry on but now get up and take notice hoping to get a pat on the back and a mention in the press for their good deeds and sacrifice?
Re: [Goanet] Sunburn?
If anybody violates the Madhya Pradesh Sound and Noise Act as extended to Goa, the equipment is siezed and the show is put out of action. The organisers of Sunburn are NOT anybody! If you disbelieve me, file an RTI and find out what happened in the office of the Superintendent of Police North, SDPO-Dy S.P.Porvorim, Dy S.P. Traffic, DM and District Collector-North and SDM-Bardez who were the actors on stage. The script writers, producers, directors and choreographers are hidden from view to avoid Sunburn. It appears to be a case of legal extortion, stopping the show on Sunday evening and getting a deposit of Rs.1.00 lakh on Monday morning only to let the show go on! Mog asundi Miguel ... Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:22:29 +0530 From: Frederick \FN\ Noronha f...@goa-india.org Subject: [Goanet] Sunburn? To:goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: 8ea78e010812291052w6ee2381pbd7c9cb6d6b86...@mail.gmail.com Sunburn - noun, verb, adjective - The terrorist act of illegally imposing your loud, disgusting and obnoxious computerized music on peace-loving people with blatant disregard for the law. - Source -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 miguelbraga...@yahoo.co.in -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
[Goanet] God sucks or religion?
Edward de Silva wrote on Goanet: ARE WE SAYING GOD SUCKS OR RELIGION SUCKS? My conclusion is that Samir and you have meant (sorry, assume to say) 'Religion sucks'. --- My Response: To make my point clear, I shall cite an analogy. The direct projection of a headless Gandhi by M.F. Hussain in one of his canvas became the scope of a major discussion on another forum. Without trying to understand what message M.F. Hussain was trying to convey, the pioneer painter was subjected to a barrage of insult and abuse, and the context of his Art misinterpreted and seen as a vicious insult to Mahatma. The canvas I refer to is the following: http://www.hindujagruti.org/activities/campaigns/national/mfhussain-campaign/paintings/hitler_big.jpg When I saw the painting, I found nothing objectionable in it. Perhaps because I viewed it with positive eyes, whereas a few others chose to see it negatively. I then tried to decipher the painting positively, the way the Artist expected all of us to, from his perspective, rather than through orthodox or prejudiced perspectives. I deciphered the Canvas in this fashion: The Painting is a fitting tribute to the human persona and the moral and spiritual character of the great Mahatma. In this Canvas, Hussain equates Gandhi to Buddha, someone who had attained Nirvana, the highest state of the human mind. Gandhi's human face has been removed to illustrate that being human his body may have perished but his thoughts are eternal and immortal. The human face has been substituted with the Dharma Wheel, the Buddhist symbol, signifying a State of Sainthood, or the State of Nirvana described by Buddha as deathlessness: the highest spiritual attainment, the natural result that accrues to one who lives a life of virtuous conduct and practice in accordance with the Noble Eightfold Path. Here is a picture of the Dharma wheel (The Eight Fold Paths to attain Nirvana can be seen prominently displayed on the spokes of the wheel): http://ascensionreiki.com/A1-141.jpg I am citing the above example simply to illustrate that a particular piece of work, whether a piece of art or an article can appear to be either good or bad depending on how we choose to perceive and interpret it. The above painting thus became stunning from my eyes, and disgusting from the eyes of a few others who did not make an attempt to understand what the artist was trying to convey. The same principle would apply to Samir's God sucks post. If we had applied the tests of reasonableness at the very first instance which you seem to have done now, it would have been clear to each one of us that Samir meant the concept of God and not God literally. And by logic and inference Religion too, since religion is based on the concept of God. For the records, sucks' is not a word of abuse but is a commonly used American slang term, and when seen in the right context, would simply mean awful. (Other examples: Her singing sucks; This job sucks. Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/suck ) It was thus written without a deliberate or a malafide intent to insult God or to hurt the feelings of Christians on the eve of Christmas. In brief, what Samir simply meant was the Concept of God is awful, which from the atheism standpoint is a perfectly acceptable claim in a modern compatible society and not an intolerant one as Mario seems to claim. Samir has clarified the context of his usage and let us take his word for it. He has also been gracious enough to withdraw that word in the face of sensibilities being hurt and has initiated a new thread titled Concept of God, where we could all contribute in a positive way, critiquing the concept of God and religion, and working together to make these concepts better in the larger interests of humanity. And let those who believe that the concepts of God and religion need to be discarded altogether too have their say. Cheers Sandeep
Re: [Goanet] Confidential report in the file
Please see the way the report below has been distorted: 2008/12/28 Dr. U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com: Bhubaneswar : The BJD-BJP government in Orissa is closing in on Fanatic Christian Congress Rajya Sabha member and former civil servant Radhakanta Nayak for his role in the conspiracy to kill Lakshmanananda Saraswati. In the original: Bhubaneswar: The BJD-BJP Government in Orissa is closing in on Congress Rajya Sabha member and former civil servant Radhakanta Nayak for his alleged role in the conspiracy to kill Lakshmanananda Saraswati. 2008/12/28 Dr. U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com: Sources say that Nayak, the most high-profile Christian political leader in the State, may be arrested shortly. The Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) has said that the plot to kill Lakshamananda Saraswati was hatched in the presence of Nayak. In the original: Sources say that Nayak, the most high-profile Christian political leader in the State, may be arrested shortly. The Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) has alleged that the plot to kill Lakshamananda Saraswati was hatched in the presence of Nayak. 2008/12/28 Dr. U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com: The Criminal Investigation Department (CID) of Orissa police is said to be preparing a case against Nayak and his Fanatic Christian missionary supporters. In the original: The Criminal Investigation Department (CID) of Orissa police is said to be preparing a case against Nayak and his supporters. Though CID officials refused to comment whether they considered Nayak as one of the suspects, they said: The mastermind has been identified and he is now out of Orissa. Above as per original text. 2008/12/28 Dr. U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com: 81 year old Saint Saraswati and four of his associates were gunned down by 30-odd Christian assailants carrying sophisticated weapons at his ashram in Jalespeta of Kandhamal district on the evening of August 23. It led to one of the worst communal conflicts in the history of the. As per the original report: Saraswati and four of his associates were gunned down by 30-odd assailants carrying sophisticated weapons at his ashram in Jalespeta of Kandhamal district on the evening of August 23. It led to one of the worst communal conflicts in the history of the State and Christians were targeted in Kandhamal and adjoining districts. In the para below the Hindutva brigade changed to the people of the State: The people of the State believed the Saraswati killing was a revenge attack. An attack on the Swami's vehicle in Kandhamal in December 2007 had sparked off a wave of violence in which three people were killed and several houses gutted. The Hindutva brigade in the State believed the Saraswati killing was a revenge attack. An attack on the Swami's vehicle in Kandhamal in December 2007 had sparked off a wave of violence on Christians in which three people were killed and several houses gutted. The Sangh Parivar, it is believed, called off its Christmas bandh based on the assurances from the government that Christian missionary Nayak would be arrested. It was one of our demands and we have been given to understand that the process is on, a senior BJP leader said. CID Inspector General of Police Arun Ray said the murder of Saint Saraswati was the result of a conspiracy hatched soon after the December 2007 riots. It was a thorough professional job. The initial plan was hatched by someone else. The actual planning to kill Saint Saraswati was done by a separate group while another group trained the group of killers. One group did not know what the other group was doing. Our challenge is to link up the evidence and present a case before the court that would lead to convictions, said Ray. The police have already arrested seven people, including some Maoists, for the murder. Dr Barad's version: Christian missionary Nayak, a former IAS officer, was once short-listed for the post of Union cabinet secretary during the Deve Gowda regime. He could not make it to the post but in 2004, he was elected to the Rajya Sabha on a Congress ticket. In Kandhamal, he is known as the protector of churches and Christians. In the original: Nayak, a former IAS officer, was once short-listed for the post of Union cabinet secretary during the Deve Gowda regime. He could not make it to the post but in 2004, he was elected to the Rajya Sabha on a Congress ticket. In Kandhamal, he is known as the protector of churches and Pano (Dalit) Christians. FN
[Goanet] Concept of God
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:29:33 -0800 (PST) From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com I dont wish to respond to Mario of course. The guy who has vowed to do nothing for Goa himself will only waste my time -- obviously he has implicitely declared himself as a hot air person --- . For those of us who have better things to do, responding to guys like Mario is a sheer waste of our precious time. Mario responds: This hiding one's head under the sand is an interesting way to avoid someone whose trenchant responses one cannot deal with. Far better for one's psyche and ego to confront easier targets, while making bogus claims about the inherent tolerance and humanity of atheism:-)) To begin with, while I actually contribute foreign exchange from overseas anually to the economy and social services in Goa, I wonder how many Goanetters that Samir communicates with have done something for Goa? I have asked in the past what Samir has ever done for Goa other than convert oxygen to CO2 and insult God in the name of tolerance and humanity that he says atheists are well known for, but it is hard for one to respond objectively with one's head under a pile of Goan sand:-)) By the way, there are two accusations I have made against Samir, both of which he has avoided for obvious reasons, a) intolerance of those he disagrees with on religion by posting a gratuitous, insulting post against God and those who believe in God, then relying on Selma, Santosh and Sandeep to bail him out, the first two with personal references that he is not communal, in spite of the communal nature of his post, and the latter by making up presumptions out of thin air of what Samir meant, and b) slandering Sonal Shah without any evidence.
[Goanet] Sex Scandal
Vo Konknnit bhasantar hanv mannest William De Curtorim-chya nirmaniek bhett kortam. Bab William, tujem nirmon eikon gomon yeta ki Konknni bhaxecho zoxo ticho upay Konknni munis korta udeshin Goeant jum hedpon cholta tem bhasma korunc xekta. Khebdai(satire) ek vokot, jem tum sarkea bhaxen aam aadminchya favorant upyog korta. Hem amchea bamtyan thain khorem farikponn. Toxench tun zoxo rupak(metaphor) utrancho upyog korta tem eikon patikono ubho zalo. Chuki mat'cheo mannun ghe/yat Ho susvar kovitecho granthkar zaun asa William Shakespeare. . Otmea kustak lozeachya desvotan Assa kudici khusi kriyent, ani kriyavachent, mosti Assa fotpormeant, khuniyetso, rogtatso, durvain bhorullo Ranvot, akritso, daddo, nistur, patiyeni favo nasu'llo Bhog zatta vegin. punn zattoch samki beporvai Bina karon sikar korun, ani ghe'llea uprant Bina karon kontalop, zoxi ansa borobor gorii gill'li Muddom ason nirmilan ghetel'yak piso Pisaun angar-podpa ani ghevunuin Aslem, asun, ani aspache sodent, asadhorn Ek anand ruzvatant, ani ruzun, ek bov maldisaun Fudem, ek sontos, fatlean, ek soporn Hem soglem ho sonvsar zanna, zaleari konnuch noko Nakarunk zem Sorg tem munshak hea patalant vorta bhasantar somorpon korpi venantius j pinto From: Venantius Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Sex Scandal William de Curtorim did a graet job in his recital. Now lets look a sonnet by William Shakespeare, from an essay on Lust by Simon Blackburn, which grew out of a lecture and book series on the Seven Deadly Sins cosponsored by the New York Public Library and Oxford University Press. Sex is one thing, a rapacious and predatory appetite something totally loathful. In the US we have Sexaholics Annonymous, not to be confused with Lust though. Dowload PDF to start your own group: http://www.sa.org/newcomerbroch.php Th'expense of spirit in a waste of shame Is lust in action; and till action, lust Is perjured, murd'rous, bloody, full of blame, Savage, extreme, rude, cruel, not to trust, Enjoy'd no sooner but despised straight, Past reason hunted, and no sooner had Past reason hated, as a swallowed bait On purpose laid to make the taker mad; Mad in pursuit and in possession so, Had, having, and in quest to have, extreme; A bliss in proof, and proved, a very woe; Before, a joy proposed; behind, a dream. All this the world well knows; yet none knows well To shun the heaven that leads men to this hell. __ venantius From: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [Goanet] Sex Scandal: Digambar, Sardin, Parrikar, Mickky, Mauvin, Churchill etc exposed Sex Scandal: Digambar, Sardin, Parrikar, Mickky, Mauvin, Churchill etc exposed http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=UW7ND9VDmkc Minister Alexo, Nerri, Reginald etc also involved http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=UW7ND9VDmkc
Re: [Goanet] Other people's beliefs
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:08:19 -0800 (PST) From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com It is sad to see people making such intolerant sarcastic remarks against people who hold beliefs other than themselves. It looks like these people have not learned the moral value of secular pluralism after all these years. Mario responds: Santosh is absolutely right to be so sad at observing intolerance though I hope he does not mean that challenging those with opposing views represents intolerance, especially when those views are presented in a passive-aggressive attack as in the original God sucks post, with no supporting commentary or rational point being made, until the inevitable outr..., ...er, negative feedback, by others. Then suddenly we saw all kinds of explanations, excuses, presumptions, references from past associations, which all rang hollow, at least to me. To his second point, the God sucks post was clearly aimed directly at those with opposing beliefs, in this case religious beliefs. Unfortunately, in this case the intolerant people were apparently athe, ...er, secular pluralists, who had apparently missed the moral value of secular pluralism and thought that just claiming to be secular pluralists automatically made them tolerant and humane, and those with religious beliefs automatically intolerant and inhumane.
[Goanet] Goa Police: How to identify a t.....
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[Goanet] Churchill demands official status for Konkani in Roman script
http://www.goa-world.com All About Goa Goans Worldwide GULF-GOANS E-NEWSLETTER (SINCE 1994) Churchill demands official status for Konkani in Roman script HERALD REPORTER MARGAO, DEC 29 PWD Minister Churchill Alemao on Monday again made a strong demand for according official status for Konkani in Roman script on par with Konkani in Devnagiri script. He was speaking at the 2nd award ceremony organised by Konkani Songit Somajik Kala Kendr in memory of the Father of the Opinion Poll, Late Dr Jack de Sequeira for Goan Tiatrists and other personalities at the Gomant Vidya Niketan hall. Alemao said that Goan identity will be wiped out from Goa in the next 50 years if Konkani in Roman script is not given official status. Referring to the recent announcement by Chief Minister, Digambar Kamat that the government would provide Rs 15 lakh financial assistance to the Dalgado Konkani Akademi, Alemao said the CM’s gesture is welcomed by the Romi script lovers, but reiterated that Konkani in Roman script should get its due officially status. Making a fervent appeal to the tiatrists to remain united and support the cause of Romi script, the PWD Minister said the tiatrists are responsible for preserving and protecting Konkani in Romi script in the State. Alemao also paid rich tributes to late Jack de Sequeira, for leading the movement to save Goa from the merger with Maharashtra. Leading personalities from the Konkani tiatr and footballers were felicitated at the hands of the PWD Minister. Related news, visit: www.yahoogroups.com/group/gulf-goans Goa-World http://www.goa-world.com Gulf Goans Mailing List email: gulf-goans-subscr...@yahoogroups.com The First e-Newsletter for the Goans in the Gulf region and beyond ~ Important Notice ~ Articles/Messages appearing here contain copyright material. They are meant for your personal use and may not be reproduced or redistributed. While the goa-world.com team makes every effort to ensure accuracy, we can not be held responsible for the content nor the views expressed, which may not necessarily be those of either the original author or www.goa-world.com team members or associates. Please feel free to contact us via email goaworldto...@yahoo.com . The First Online Konkani Music Station - Started on March 14, 2000 http://www.live365.com/stations/61664 Konkani Video on You Tube http://www.youtube.com/uly334 Nothing is ever lost by courtesy. It is the cheapest of pleasures, costs nothing, and conveys much. -- Erastus Wiman
