Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter to Wendell Rodricks/ to Roland
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For RR; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Roland Francis writes: While I am on the subject, please tell me why every homosexual has a pressing necessity of informing the world of his sexual inclinations. Looks like Roland could conceal his homophobia only through the first few paragraphs of his post. It would be helpful if he noted that it is socialites or celebrities(off all sexual orientations) that experience the above pressing necessity, and not all homosexuals. I have no intention of informing anybody of whether I am homosexual, bi-sexual or heterosexual. That is restricted to my bedroom and to my partner. Therefore I do not understand why anybody else has to see fit to tell me what their preferences are. It makes no difference to me and I would rather I not be advised. If it 'makes no difference' to you, then what was the need for this grand paragraph? I would also rather not be advised of Paris Hilton's sex life, but I constantly am. I've never found the need to send her a letter informing her of the same. Have you? By all means use the public washrooms for purposes other than than for which they were built. We will turn the other way. Just as we would turn if we see a heterosexual couple making out. Who is this We that you are referring to and claiming to represent. All Canadians? Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://www.GOANET.org --- ECAP 2007 - Computer Society of India - Goa Chapter inaugurates its 15th Exhibition of Computers Allied Products at Hotel Mandovi, Panaji at 9:30am on Sep 8, 2007 at the hands of Mr. M. N. Rao - Advisor Director (IT) Department of Computer Science - Government of Goa. All are cordially Invited ---
[Goanet] Parking problems in Panaji/repl to Selma
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org Selma, Planning laws in Panjim now make it compulsory for all new commercial structures to have underground parking. There are also plans to build multi-storeyed pay parking structures in atleast three palces in the heart of Panjim(Market, Municipal Garden and CCP headquarters). The parking facility at the market should be ready and functional any day now. If you visit Panjim you will be pleasantly surprised to find an army of fluorescent-jersey clad traffic wardens (all women!), ruthlessly clamping the wheels of all illegally parked cars. People have now resorted to staying in their cars while illegally stationed to avoid fines. This is not to say that it has become easier to find parking in Panjim nowadays. With approximately a thousand new vehicles being bought every month, these measures are barely sufficient, and I don't know if similar steps are being taken in other urban centres. Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Knights to Columbus/to Selma
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org We're all very impressed with your ability to google information and spew it out. Given the tone of recent discussions on goanet, the accusations made about the Church and the Catholic community, and the killings of priests and nuns that take place in India, precisely because of this misconception, what an inappropriate statement to make What part of the statement are you disagreeing with, that many people who murderdered fellow humans were later made Saints? That many Asians who did truly good work in the name of the Church have no chance of ever becoming Saints? The conversion part is pretty accurate as well(use your Google skills).Inspite of all the ill will and rare murders that aggressive conversions cause, Pope John Paul II saw it fit to come to India and call for further evangelisation. Missionaries working in the Chattisgarh, Jharkand and Bastar also see it fit to tatoo large crosses onto the foreheads of tribal children. Many priests run a racket of providing underage labour from these regions to Goan homes. And you accusing me of inappropriate behaviour? What a laugh. Not one word of chastisement came from you despite the many things written about the Church, Catholics and even Muslims of late on goanet. When one Gllenda Viegas and Albert were making wild accusations against Catholic schools and the Goan education system, didn't you jump on the band wagon. Bosco and me were perhaps the only only people who defended the same inspite of me never having attended a Catholic school. I have even gone as far as to sympathise with Naxalites in their fight against caste oppression. With regards to the current Caste System v/s Paedophillia v/s Sati v/s SFX debate, we are quite aware as to who started it and that too in defense of colonial rule. Of all the things money might have thought you, loyalty and courage could not be amongst them. I like this new multi-millionaire persona of mine that you a perpetrating. Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet] A hypocrisy test for Roland Francis
--- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Roland, Do you consider yourself a hypocrite since you worked many years and made money in a Muslim theocracy(Dubai) but now live in a secular democracy(Canada). I definitely don't see any hypocrisy in that, but do let me know what your views regarding theocracy and democracy are. Do not weasel your way out of this simple point blank question. Especially since you claim I am a hypocrite because my grandfather(whom I never met and you know precious little about) was a great businessman under Portuguese rule, just like many in my family are as good businessmen under Goan(Indian) rule. Sunith Velho -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] No list yet
--- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- It is quite amazing how the all knowing paediatrician Jose Colaco, is suddenly reduced to the mental age of his patients when asked a SPECIFIC question and has to seek refuge in some rather lame humour. Now, some of his small coterie will write a series posts lauding each other as men of exceptional maturity and intelligence, in spite of the fact that they are unable to compile a simple list. What part of CONSTITUTIONAL rights does Jose pretend not understand? Sunith Velho -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jose writes: f: I can jot down several rights that Goans now REALLY enjoy. 1. The right NOT to have their name removed from the electoral register by a person who allegedly forges the signature of another. ... and more meaningless drivel.
Re: [Goanet] No list yet.. Roland Francis
--- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Roland Francis writes: I note your hypocrisy at every step. And I notice your inability to refute a single fact raised in my posts without resorting to inane generalities. You decry organized religion when your education has been the product of it (unless you went to a 'Patshala'). Really! Maybe you should stick to what you know. I went to Sharada Mandir and later People's High School and Dhempes. I then went to PCCE, but horror of horrors the Pilar priests had L.K. Advani innaugurate the college. So does that qualify as 'Patshala' enough for you? You decry Portuguese colonial rule when your ancestors have been the receivers of it's munificence. Don't for a moment think that anyone with half a mind has fallen for your spin i.e. they made it on their own blah blah blah. Please answer the hypocrisy tests I posed to you. No one is asking you to praise Portuguese rule. We all have own own opinion about it. But to say that you have rights now that you didn't have before is a bit much. Provide the list I asked Paulo for and I will shut up. You can start with the RIGHT TO VOTE. If you can't make a simple list then I'll add you to my list of ignorants. What is a 'bit much' your complete inability to put forward your case with a single fact. I'd like to know what those rights are when you have to face Monserrate's goons in Panjim if you choose to cross him. That wouldn't have occurred in Portuguese Goa. You are right, in the good old days the oppression was state sponsored. Also, is it your contention that organised crime is a uniquely post-liberation Goan phenomenon? You show that you have it in for colonialism, but in fact you chose to go for whatever reason and for however long, in the mothercountry of colonialism. I'll be spending the rest of the year in Amsterdam and Ireland, so know should I be a supporter of liberal drug use and the IRA. Next year I hope to be working in a project for the Tunisian government, will I have to then convert to Islam? You have shown a lack of respect. Your posts ooze of arrogance and brashness either caused due to an absence of a Goan upbringing, or because even that didn't help you. Actually most of my posts are irrefutable facts, commonly mistaken for arrogance by anyone who cannot dispute them. You have a golden opportunity to make my brash-arrogant-lack of Goan upbring self shut up, just make a simple list of constitutional rights. You will have my utmost respect then. Until then you have the delete button. And last but not least, you throw in the old men phrase once too often when you are at the losing end of an argument. You could be an ageist or you could be leading yourself to believe you will be 25 whatever, forever. And last but not least, it was Selma and Paulo who brought up the age issue. So,most respectful sage of golden wisdom and knowledge lets have that list now, shall we. Please don't shatter my dreams by shutting up. It really is a simple task for someone who has the ' maturity of thinking and expression of a Paulo Colaco Dias' that I allegedly dream of. Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Jose struggling with a simple list
--- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- JC writes: re 1b: What part of the following (re-attached) list did Sunith Velho find humourous? Would he care to tell us WHY? Actually I found your list lame, not humorous. Another case of Jose not being able to read a full sentence. I'll take the trouble to reply to the points in JC's lame-list if he admits he does not know what the words Constitutional Rights signify, till then I guess I'll have to keep reading his peculiar brand of kingdergarten humour. The continued absence of a simple list of Constitutional Rights I had requested is baffling, especially since a few posters have been continuously lauding themsleves as people of exceptional maturity and intelligence. Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Knighthood for Salman Rushdie..
--- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In a move that will be greatly appreciated by most liberated(err.. liberal) minds, but will further confuse Uncle Roland , Salman Rushdie is to be awarded knighthood. Now I have to ask, how can it be that this man who has viciously attacked British Imperialism while settled in Britain and Islam inspite of being born Muslim, is now being offered knighthood. Who are the hypocrites in this travesty? Salman Rushdie or the British Government. Is the answer perhaps there is no hypocrisy involved in such a stance, unless seen through the eyes of the narrow minded or ill informed. Not that I am comparing Roland's rather harmless hysterics to those we are witnessing from religious fanatics in Pakistan and Iran. So hats-off once again to the former firebrand who was never afraid to tell it like it is(was), though he openly conceeded that he was spared the worst of the indignities inflicted on his brothers. Sunith Velho -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Jose struggles but raises one Right
--- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- re 2: Having had the good fortune of having to study a number of Constitutions (including two which affect the area Sunith presently resides in) - I'd like to know Which particular Constitutional Right Sunith Velho pretends JC does not understand. He does not mean 'The Right to self determination' - does he? So make a list of all fundamental consitutional rights Jose, what are you afraid of. Lets examine the right to self determination then shall we. Today Goa is ruled by 40 MLA's every single one of them Goan. Please provide the statistics pre-liberation of Goan legislators. The Goan government has full autonomy when deciding on matters contained in the 'State List' of the Indian consitution. Please provide us the equivalent list that existed pre-liberation. Goans now have the right to vote. Please ocnfirm if this right existed pre-liberation. Interesting that Sunith Velho believes that Roland Francis 'Joy of being a Canadian views are best placed on a Canadian forum where they would be more relevant, and not on Goanet which was developed by an American and is being mainly coordinated interalia by a Canadian and an American. Well JC has more or less proved his inability to read long sentences. What I said Jose was, if Roland had truly achieved closure then he would be posting that particualr posts on a Canadian forum. Especially since it is filled with some vague generalities on the joys of living in Canada. Bravo Sunith ..You are the 'besht'! And here is JC's peculiar brand of KG humour again. Exceptional intelligence and maturity, I admit. Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet] Of Constitutions, Dogmas and Roland Francis
--- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- If you don't apply laws that have been painstakingly legislated, you have a chaotic society in which there can be no meaningful progress or respect for the rights of the individual or of society. Goa is a prime example. Yet when I wrote about the Mess that is Goa, Sunith reacted as if he found a bee in his billiards pocket Are you perhaps refering to that weepy post where you stated you that you were happy that you sold your house in Goa and were now overjoyed to be Canadian and that you had finaly achieved 'closure'. You also derided other Goans for selling theirs, a classic case of hypocrisy. Didn't I reply that if you had truly achieved closure you would be posting those views on a Canadian forum where they would be more relevant, and not on Goanet. Obviously Sunith needs a nudge towards the dictionary which says of dogma: 1. a system of principles or tenets, as of a church. 2. a specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively laid down, as by a church: the dogma of the Assumption. Perhaps it is you Roland who need to a jolt towards modern concepts and definitions. Here is a more comprehensive definition from Wikipedia. (Quote)Dogma (the plural is either dogmata or dogmas, Greek äüãìá, plural äüãìáôá) is the established belief or doctrine held by a religion, ideology or any kind of organization, thought to be authoritative and not to be disputed or doubted. While in the context of religion the term is largely descriptive, outside of religion its current usage tends to carry a pejorative connotation referring to concepts as being established only according to a particular point of view, and thus one of doubtful foundation.(end of quote) Sunith Velho -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Flags, Colonialism and Sleeping in a History
political voice in the rest of India too. Any perks I currently enjoy are benefits of India's blistering economic growth and the West's shortage of techincally skilled manpower. When you and BC figure out what these economics have to do with me being against colonialism, do let me know. By yours and BC's misguided logic, Che Guevara should never have started a revolution in South America since he was from a bourgeoisie family or Nehru should have kept his mouth shut. This a sad, pathetic and sorry substitute for logical argument, but I doubt you can do better. Sunith Velho -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: [Goanet] Can we use a DVD from US [ NTSC] in Goa [ PAL]?
--- CONVENTION OF THE GOAN DIASPORA FROM GOA INTO THE WORLD Lisbon, Portugal June 15-17, 2007 Details at: http://www.casadegoa.org --- Almost all PAL DVD players can also read NTSC though the converse is not true. Also a vast majority of modern PAL TV's will display NTSC signals without problems. The easiest way is to check the specs of your player on the Net. Also you may have to find a crack for your DVD player if the DVD's you buy are region coded. Sunith Velho Dear All: Do you know if we can purchase a DVD film in the US and watch it in Goa? We have some friends visiting us and they wanted to buy DVD for their kids. Thanks - Joe RESPONSE: You will need a multi system, DVD player as well as a multi system receiver (TV). -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: [Goanet] Creationism versus Evolution
--- CONVENTION OF THE GOAN DIASPORA FROM GOA INTO THE WORLD Lisbon, Portugal June 15-17, 2007 Details at: http://www.goacom.org/casa-de-goa/noticias.html --- Most of the mentioned authors have only the 'logic' of irreducible complexity to suport their arguments and are thus rejected by mainstream science. This argument generally finds favour with those who do not understand natural selection or who think evolution is pure 'chance'. It is further boosted because it is a pefect fit with what most people are brainwashed with as children i.e. if you can't explain something, it must be God's work. If there truly exists anything irreducibly complex in nature, then what about the entity that designed it. Wouldn't the same 'logic' apply to that entity? Or are logic and science to be selectively applied? Sunith Velho Orlando writes: There are others too like Michael Behe, William A. Dembski, James M Kushiner, Lee Strobel etc. I urge those on this list who are interested in the debate to look these authors up. -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
[Goanet] All the hots about a stupid Richard Gere hug
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Goa Sudharop to Release Goan Seniors E-book May 8, 2007 at 5:30pm at Hotel Mandovi, Panaji, Goa www.goasudharop.org So let's be sensitive to people's cultural differences. We can't impose Western values on everyone and call those global standards! Where are these 'offended' and sensitive Indians when Shilpa Shetty does her vulgar 'jhatkas' and hip thrusts in the B-grade Bollywood films she is famous for. Probably fantasising in the back row! Before this hungama, there was the Mumbai police arresting young couples in Bandra for so called 'public indecency'. This is the same police force that has an extraordinarily high prevalence rate of HIV due to the amount of time they spend sleeping with prostitutes. India has the highest number of commercial sex workers in the whole world, even though prostitution is illegal. Applying simple demand/supply logic, it is quite easy to see through the 'Indian' culture that these morons are trying to portray. Loot the country, destroy the environment, visit prostitutes, rape women, commit female foeticide, keep caste divides alive but no PDA's or falling in love please! It's against our culture. Soli Sorabjee is right, we are becoming the laughing stock of the world. Sunith Velho -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- CONVENTION OF THE GOAN DIASPORA FROM GOA INTO THE WORLD Lisbon, Portugal June 15-17, 2007 Details at: http://www.goacom.org/casa-de-goa/noticias.html ---
Re: [Goanet] review of Jerry Pinto's Reflected in water
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by an Anonymous Donor Has anyone else who read the above book noticed the amount of spelling errors it contans, especially when it comes to Goan names and places. The mess starts on the inside cover with Teotonio spelled as Teotonia and continues throughout the book. Perhaps Frederick(who has written a essay for the book) can shed some light as to why a well recognised publishing house like Pengiun cannot afford to hire a decent proof reader. Even in the review of the book, we have Calangute spelled as Calingute. I think this has something to do with the fact that we use different names for places in Konkani and English. Especially since the English names are derived from Portuguese. Regardless of the script, would it not be worthwhile to revert to the single original Konkani name for all our villages, towns and cities? I think it would give Romi Lippi a boost as well, and no one will be inconvenienced. -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] More bad news for Goan secularists
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by an Anonymous Donor Most doctors in the US believe religion is good for their patient's health. I can imagine the reactions of the well known secularists on Goanet - without naming any names. Reassuringly, the same SURVEY(not study) found that[quote] only 6 percent believed religion or spirituality had changed hard medical outcomes. [end quote] More disturbingly, the above post reflects an individual who needs news paper articles and random surveys to justify his obviously weak beliefs. If any one is interested in what actual science(as opposed to Mario's FOX news clips) has to say about about similar matters refer to: [1]H. Benson et al., 'Study of the therapeutic effects of intercessory prayer in cardiac bypass patients', Amercian Heart Journal 151: 4,2006, 934-42. Ironically, the above study was sponsored by none other than the Templeton Foundation. Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Debating opinions instead of grammar
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by an Anonymous Donor But I am very passionate about English and it makes me feel bad when learned people murder it. But you say birds of same feather flop together. The word is flock not flop and the full stop should come inside the quotation. Anthony, It would be in everyone's interest to stick to debating ideas or opinions rather than grammar. We all get what Dr. Barad is trying to say. Minor errors like a wrongly placed full stop hardly qualify as 'murder'. I also think he meant FLOP rather than flock. Looks like you missed the pun. Sunith P.S. As a man 'passionate' about the English language(or is it just the English) you must be aware that it is bad practice to start a sentence with a conjunction(But) and quite unacceptable to start two successive sentences with the same conjunction. P.P.S. It is also usual to follow the conjunction with a comma when used in this way.
Re: [Goanet] The mall at the GMC
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by an Anonymous Donor It is worth double checking if it wasn't the BJP Govt under Mr. Parrikar which drew up the plans and went ahead with phase 1 i.e. the IFFI complex and the multiplex at the heritage Goa Medical College site. I might add here that much of what is left, is not heritage. The heritage part has already been morphed. Having lived all my life in that area I have double checked and confirmed that what was destroyed under Parrikar's rule was, 1. The ugliest building in Panjim, the old GMC Resident Doctors Hostel. 2. The old morgue and other very ugly buildings of no heritage nor aesthetic value. The end result was a wonderfully restored original building and chapel, pleasant landscaping and a well designed multiplex that takes nothing away from the grandeur of the original GMC. This area was previously filthy, desolate(since the shifting of the GMC to Bambolim) and rat infested. I'm not sure what Jose is trying to say here. Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Plagiarism
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by an Anonymous Donor Lastly, and this is my most important point, I contend that plagiarism at an academic level has not stunted research and progress. True, but only because it has not been allowed to do so. It is equallly important to maintain these standards of peer review and publication in countries such as India where research is still in its nascent stages. Copyright law, on the other hand, is exactly that -- a deterrent to progress. The point is that it stunts research and progress because it is a deterrent to young companies, without financial or legal muscle, to even try. Try what? I think the technology sector which you are focussing on has more start ups than any other sector today. The progress in this sector has also out paced most other sectors. Similarly, if TCP/IP, arguably today's networking wheel, was copyrighted you and I may not have been having this discussion via this medium. Why wouldn't we be? The computer you use has hundreds of patents on its components. Similarly the software you use is probably protected by copyright(mine is). Yet we are still having this discussion. TCP/IP is a protocol or standard, its very purpose was to get every network to use the same procedure to communicate. It made no sense for the US DoD to patent or copyright it at the time. It would be like trying to increase viewership of a TV programme by making it pay-per-view. One thing is certain, if not for the pioneering work in Stanford and UCL and all the academic research that has followed since, the Internet would be a far cry from what it is today. Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Plagiarism and Goa
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by an Anonymous Donor Furthermore, like a true gentlemen, he hasn't taken personal potshots at anyone on the forum in order to do so. I find that far more offensive than plagiarism. Good to see you set different standards for Frederick and yourself. I'll resist the tempation to respond to your personal potshots. Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Plagiarism and Goa
Selma writes: Have you noticed how you and I are the only ones obsessed with topics of city renewal, infrastructural investment, etc. The rest of the GOAN forum seems preoccupied with plagiarism. If I'm not mistaken weren't you in the thick of this debate , a few posts ago, enlightening us with gems such as Go Frederick, Go!. The infrastructural investment I have seen you most pre-ocupied with is nappy changing tables at Dabolim Airport. So please get of your high horse. Plagiarism is a serious issue the world over especially in Goa and India, where there are very few safeguards in place. If I'm not mistaken, the ex(?) HOD of the Electronics department of Goa Engineering College was accused of it and of misrepresenting his educational qualifications a while ago, and the students went on strike to have him removed. Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Plagiarism
Selma Wrote: I have to say Frederick is winning this debate hands down. His arguments are absolutely spot on and he displays a very profound knowledge about the subject of plagiarism and its natural by-product copyright. Frederick's arguments vis-a-vis plagiarism(not intellectual copyright) miss the mark by a mile. While his arguments might have some merit in the context of forums such as Goanet or informal write-ups, they fly in the face of most accepted academic norms. He is still considering it from the rather naive perspective of I would be happy if someone copied my work with or without reference. Current academic research(which is an inetgral part of human advancement) would entirely collapse if researchers were to take such a casual or selfish approach to this serious plague. Far from profound, his view is from an arm chair perspective. Go Frederick, go! I see that you have taken my cheer-leader jibe a tad too seriously. Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Plagiarism
Frederick, Even that great temple of learning, Wikipedia has a guide on how to write a good article. Part of that guide is the following link on the importance of citing sources. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cite_sources Why do you seem to be defending plagiarism in your fight against intellectual copyright. Citing references or sources in no way hinders the sharing of knowledge but instead vastly improves the 'quality' of information in circulation and rightly gives credit where it is due. Whether the original authors were or were not seeking fame or gratification for themselves is entirely irrelevant to the debate. Regards -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Forks and Knives
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Flat for Sale: Mapuca, Goa (Ansabhat) - 10 min walk to Mapuca Market 2 Bedroom-Living-Dining-Kitchen-Bath-Balcony-Terrazo Floors Great Investment - Winter Getaway Asking Canadian $ 31,500/- or Indian Rs 10 lakhs Contact Rosario Fernandes - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do the Chinese eat with forks and knives in Macau?? Wouldn't they consider you a clown in most parts of China if you were to eat with a fork and knife instead of chopsticks. What is it you are trying to say?? Sunith BC writes: From the story that I heard his clown troupe made it to Hotel Mandovi where they ordered the placement of forks on the right side and the knife on the left of the plate. Has any body heard of this story, especially from Tivolem? Also do the bhayyas eat with forks and knives in UP? -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Goan Educational System
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Flat for Sale: Mapuca, Goa (Ansabhat) - 10 min walk to Mapuca Market 2 Bedroom-Living-Dining-Kitchen-Bath-Balcony-Terrazo Floors Great Investment - Winter Getaway Asking Canadian $ 31,500/- or Indian Rs 10 lakhs Contact Rosario Fernandes - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bosco, As you know, no education system in the world is going to guarantee a person entry into IIT. With regards to the absolute nonsense that Albert and Gllenda+hubby+son write, I suggest you ignore it. If the above ignorant malcontents must know Goan students are in the top universities all over the world. From my own class and school, Shantanu Prabhudessai is in IISc(even more prestigious than Carmo's IIT-K), Manya Afonso in IIT-Delhi, Krishka Afonso in IIT-Delhi, Manohar Parrikar's son Utpal in NYU(?), Trevor Miranda in University of Illinois, Rohin Gracias in IIM, Arvind Menezes in University of Southern California and the list goes on... The list from my brother's(who is an architect) class is equally impressive. To top this list is my good friend and herpetologist Aaron Lobo(ex-Brittos) who is on the very lucrative and extremely competitive Gates Foundation research scholarship at the University of Cambridge. Motivated Goan students will do as well as any other ones, and are definitely not held back by the Goa University qualification. This holds for the workplace as well. The Goan Government also provides an interest free free loan for further education which is sufficient to study in the best colleges in the Country and a decent amount for those wishing to go abroad. Besides this there is also the Goan Scholars Scheme which provides a one time grant of upto 15,000 USD for deserving candidates. While we must always seek to improve the existing system, it is also wise to give credit where it is due. Spouting nonsensical generalities is definitely not the way to go. If Albert's or Gllenda's kids have trouble with any subject then I suggest that the parents spend more time teaching their kids and less time posting nonsense Goanet. Regards Sunith Albert writes: Take the degree of Goa universtity and go abroad for further studies and you cannot get admission why? Joe writes: Surely, Bosco would have a different perception of the situation if he were living (and studying/studied) in Goa these past years. -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Origins of the world Carnival
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Flat for Sale: Mapuca, Goa (Ansabhat) - 10 min walk to Mapuca Market 2 Bedroom-Living-Dining-Kitchen-Bath-Balcony-Terrazo Floors Great Investment - Winter Getaway Asking Canadian $ 31,500/- or Indian Rs 10 lakhs Contact Rosario Fernandes - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Seems like the author of the tirade below has exposed his own ignorance rather than Cecil Pinto's. Does he understand the difference between the origin of a word and the origin of an event?? While the origins of the Carnival festival are a matter of dispute, the WORD Carnival is definitely not of Greek origin, and is known to be of Latin origin(though the exact meaning is disputed). Will the author please confirm from his extensive knowledge of the Greek language what 'carne' and 'vale' mean in ancient Greek?? As far as I know the the corresponding word for Carnival in Greek is Apokria. Regards Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joao Cota writes: I was stunned and shocked to read the above article. The first paragraph on the origin of the word carnival is abosolute bull to say the least.The author's ignorance should have been checked by the publishers... who are also ignorant on the matter. Carnival was traced back to the Greeks who use the word 'carne' and 'vale' and this was before Christ, that is before lent season started on our calendars.
Re: [Goanet] The Australian-Goan's overwhelmingly anti-India
*** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** T H I SS P A C EC A NB EY O U R S Advertise your Product(s) and Service(s) on Goanet S u p p o r t G o a n e t o p e r a t i o n s F o r d e t a i l s c o n t a c t : [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Dear Cecil, Look at the bright side of this issue. At least the half wits and malcontents you mention and their brethren on Goanet are not in Goa, and what better place for them to be than far away Australia. Their attitude towards Indians vis-a-vis Goa are a definite sign of some deeply rooted insecurities arising from an inability to fit into the societies they live in. Hence they have a continuous need to denigrate others. Regards Sunith Cecil wrote: At the last GoaNetters meet in December two Australian Goans were spitting anti-India venom and were so antagonistic in their approach to a social meeting that they put a bad taste in everyone's mouth. One of them (I think his name was Damian) even proudly claimed that he was not a GoaNetter but insisted on (being present and) authoritatively telling all GoaNetters present (including the founder Herman) how they should run their house. The other, Oscar, was more broad based and wanted to tell Goans in Goa how to run their lives and businesses. Neither seemed particularly qualified to dole out such advice and definitely created a pathetic impression of themselves, and Australian Goans in general. -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 141
*** * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * *** T H I SS P A C EC A NB EY O U R S Advertise your Product(s) and Service(s) on Goanet S u p p o r t G o a n e t o p e r a t i o n s F o r d e t a i l s c o n t a c t : [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Bernardo, Has too much reading of Mao's little red book caused you to lose your sense of humour. What a shame! I'm sure your Communist masters will permit you a laugh once in a while, unless you've been a bad boy and have not learn't your quotation for the day. Sunith Velho Addition to a 101 list for chicanery? Is this how our young minds from Goa work? Shameful especially to the chap who passed this information. BC -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] First Polls rigged!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * To Goa with Love - Three unique Valentine Day packages from EXPRESSIONS Say I Love You! in style this year For details, photos and pricing check out: http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/valentines/ Bernardo, Are you now going to counter this argument with the fact that the Rangel-Ribeiro family was affluent during the Portuguese regime. The point Victor Rangel-Ribeiro makes has been made previously, but I am glad to see one of the most eminent members of this forum state it in plain English. Hope the rest of the I wish we were ruled our BENEVOLENT(ALL CAPS) Portuguese masters camp have read Victor's excellent post. Sunith --- Victor Rangel-Ribeiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Bernardo Colaco, I realize you would like to cling to your privileged past; but it should be possible for you to keep your love for Portugal and Portuguese colonial rule alive without resorting to untruths about events that led to and followed their ouster. -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet] Re: Are the atheists right?
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro Mario, After deep introspection, I have come to the conclusion that after I die I will encounter mud and in due course of time I will become part of it. If the Catholics like you are right, I am going to hell. If the Muslims are right, all those who do not accept that Allah is God (including you and me) are going to hell. If both are right everyone is going to hell. So I ask again, Why bother?? Regards Sunith Mario writes: My comments were really intended to make honest atheists think about what they - in the context of their beliefs - are likely to confront the minute they die. -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet] Re:A cheap shot
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro Gilbert, It seems like you fail to see the difference in the functioning of the bureaucracy and judiciary in democracies and dictatorships. Also, as is evident from the numerous discussions on this forum many Goans still think it was in Goan interests for the Portuguese to stay and some have even gone to the extent of insulting the Hindu religion to defend their own beliefs. Some netters have implied(inadvertently) that their Goan ancestors before the Portuguese came were uncivilised pagans. At some point you have defended the Inquisition, forced conversions and the razing of Hindu temples. What according to you was in the interest of the common Goan? Why don't you just say it instead of confusing everyone including yourself. Is this the GL version of the Fuggdi you so often refer to? -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 75
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro Bernardo, Having always lived under dictatorship and in colonies(First Portuguese then Chinese), your ability to comprehend democracy and freedom is understandably impaired. I wonder if it possible to start any sort of movement in your native Macau. We all know that even movement(in terms of moving from one place to another) is heavily restricted in Macau and China. Sunith BC writes: I wonder if the FREE is to corrupt, kill, despot, loan shark, banditiry, rape, toilet. Why are we having The Save Goa movmeent? -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Bad taste in the mouth of Sunito
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro Hi Bernardo, My girlfriend and many of my best friends here in London continue to be Portuguese. Sorry to burst your bubble but Portuguese men are no match for this strapping young Indian :)) I must mention that they are all ashamed of their country's colonial past, much like the Germans are of their Nazi predecessors. I continue to proudly hold my Indian passport, despite the ease with which I could obtain a Portuguese one. Thank you for enquiring about my family, they are all fine. Best wishes to yours. Regards, Sunith Velho BC writes: I have a gut feeling that this anti Portuguese rethoric by young Sunito is because of some namoradinha problem. Maybe some 'short Portuguese' fugiu com ela. Or I hope it is not because of not getting Portuguese Nationality? BTW how is Bibloh and your mum (Loretta)? BC -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] A cheap shot by Roland Francis
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro To sponsor Goanet operations, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roland, I was not going to reply to Bernardo publicly, but now you have forced me to do so. Both sides of my family prospered under Portuguese rule and its BIAS towards the landed gentry. I am a son of the family Bernado mentioned. My paternal grandfather was incredibly wealthy under Portguese rule and used the system to amass many houses and insanely vast tracts of land. Having invested his wealth in houses, land and agriculture he paid a heavy price post Liberation. Land to the tiller, houses under rent control and agriculture destroyed by the barges that began plying the Mandovi. Never heard my father complain though! My maternal grand father(Alvaro Dias) was a Judge and his father Goa's first surgeon general(M.C. Dias). While other netters promote blatant LIES about Portuguese rule and their treatment of the common Goan, I know for a fact that my grandfather was sent on a punishment posting to Angola for what was perceived as a Pro-Goan bias. My grandmother was a great supporter of Nehru. When I think of the immense pride she had in being Indian and compare it with the pride many people on this forum have in being ruled for centuries by a bunch of short white men , it really gets my goat. All this economics and history has nothing to do with my pride of being FREE and being Indian. If my grandfather was a pauper under Portuguese rule, I would still be equally proud of being Indian and FREE. I thank the Portuguese for nothing and my Indian brothers for my freedom. A man's wealth should never be the source of his pride, content or debate. It is a shame that a youngster has to remind you and Bernardo of this vital truth. Goans are Goans not only because of 450 years of Portuguese rule but also the 2000 years preceeding that and the almost 50 years since that ended. I am equally proud of my all my ancestors, right from the first one who carved those rocks in Usgallimol in 2500 B.C, the unfortunate ones who suffered the brutal Inquistion and the more fortunate ones who amassed great wealth under colonial rule. Regards Sunith Velho P.S. If any Goans on this forum have the illusion/delusion that they have Portuguese blood, refer to the book Luso Descendentes da India Portuguesa(F. Oriente). If you are not in that book then sorry you come from the same stock as other Indians unless one of your ancestors was an illegitimate child. Roland writes: Bernard, If our Sunith is indeed related to Velho e Filhos his answer will probably be: A) My father and his father before him, built up the business with their own smarts. It had nothing to do with the Portuguese (now any Goan living in Goa before 1961 knows the answer to that one) or B) We thrived despite the Portuguese. They tried to stop us from expanding but we did it all the same. (Perhaps all the mineowners who got their leases from the then Govt have an answer to that one). or C) We were small potatoes during Portuguese time but assimilation into India is when the company really took off. (Yes like Google, they burst onto the scene). I am hoping that he might bring a refreshing answer to your question, nothing to do with the three possibilities above. But what I am really hoping is that Sunith has no connection with the business in question so that we will all save a lot of bother. After all who wants to hear that Goans are Goans because of 450 years of Portuguese rule. Cheers, Roland. -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Climate Change
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro To sponsor Goanet operations, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know where you're going with this search for disconnected climate change kaneos, but I'll give you one based on the mid Atlantic hurricanes of 2005, which included the infamous Katrina and Wilma. I only asked for any instances of unusual weather patterns. Thank you for all the other information. If you notice any unusual weather patterns in Toledo, do let me know. Your friend's boss should know that Al Gore has a well known agenda and his sci-fi movie was roundly condemned by many in the scientific community. The boss in question is a certain Lord Norman Foster(only the most famous architect in the world) whose knowledge and opinion I'm afraid I hold in much higher regard than yours. Please feel free to contact him in your personal capacity, and convince him of the error in his ways. Regards Sunith Velho -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] VOTE FOR MANOHAR PARRIKAR in May
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro To sponsor Goanet operations, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gabe, An apology is also due for the BJP government's complete inaction in the Mala-Fontainhas vandalism case, where photos clearly identify some of the perpetrators. I used to be a big supporter of Manoharbab, as were many members of the Catholic community in Panjim until these two incidents. In case Carmo and Cajetan are not aware, there is a very slim chance of Parrikar standing for elections in Panjim next year(he will try his luck in his native Mapusa, I'm guessing!) because of these two incidents. If he does he has absolutely no chance of winning. Best Regards Sunith Gabe writes: RESPONSE: Please ask Shri Parrikar to apologize to the people of Goa for bringing out the communal VCD and imposing it on the schools ! -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Carmo's insulting posts
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 I've just about had it with Goanet's kerek-crucifier aka too-much-learning-has made-me-mad Carmo D'Cruz. The last posts insulting Dominic and Paulo were a new low. If a man's worth is judged by the ranking of the educational insituition he went to, what do we make of the fact that Carmo is now in an EE department that ranks 116th in the USA of a total of 125?? I request all netters to include this statistic whenever Carmo insults anyone and goes off on his IIT tangent. Regards Sunith Velho http://www.phds.org/rankings/electrical-engineering/rank http://www.greguide.com/elecs.html Dominic, Unlike you and your friendss who are cuzners and botlers or gulfees, as a highly qualified and competent IIT researcher in the field of semiconductor electronics, I got multiple scholarships to study in the US and did not need family or employer sponsors. Also as an IIT graduate with a doctorate in the hot field of engineering management -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Pota Retreats
WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to: Nodal Officer District Collector (Goa) Mr. Nikhil Kumar Office: 2223612; Residence (after 8PM): 2420710; mobile 9822123071 Here are a few answers to some questions posed by Cip. What are the laws of nature? They are the numerous scientific theories that have been systematically and experimentally verified. Where are these laws of nature written for anyone to read, to know and to prasctice? They are written in scientific journals, text book, papers, etc. When you study most science courses you read, learn and practice them. How much the superior social animals humans know about the laws of nature so-far? There has been an exponential increase in human knowledge about nature ever since we rejected the premise that anything we can't explain is the work of God. How much is left to be known of the laws of nature ? A lot is left to be learnt. The situation however is much better than it ever was. You might see the Theory of Everything in your lifetime. Is there any single human being knows all the laws of nature ? No scientist has ever made this claim, however they are numerous god-men and Pota-types who claim to know the mind of God. How to convince a born colour blind person that colours exist? An absurd question!!It is quite obvious you have no colour blind friends. All my daltonic friends accept that colours exists and that they cannot distinguish between them. How to convince a person who lost his/her faculty of faith that faith exist? Most atheists accept that faith exists. The usefulness of it is rejected by them. I see that it benefits some people in a few ways, but like many of my generation and most of my friends find these of no use personally. Regards Sunith Velho -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW.GOANET.ORG ** C O M M U N I T Y ** A N N O U N C E M E N T Save Goa Campaign / Goa Bachao Abhiyan Report all violations of Hill-cutting, Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) and other Land Use violations to 24-hour Helpline +91 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Must you come to Goa this time?
Cecil, No need to worry about Selma this time. She has made it quite clear that she considers other goan women insipid. No we know why no one will talk to her at Goan events. Regards Sunith Velho Cecil writes; I have known Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami as a friend for a long time. Before the crusading Joan of Arc takes up cudgels uninvited, this is not an attack on Ana Maria, but just seeking for clarification of a publicly stated viewpoint that is contradictory. -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Recognising people of Goan origin
Andre, In case I didn't make it clear enough in my previous post, the article was about the Casting Couch in the Indian fashion industry and Ignatius Camillo was asked for his opinion/view regarding the same. I don't see any ambiguity in the first reply. What other way can it be interpreted? The question posed to him was very specific. I agree that the other reply can be interpreted differently but overall he did a pretty good job of self-character assasination. Regards Sunith Andre writes: Both quotes attributed to Ignatius Camillo are somewhat ambiguous. The second certainly can be taken in ways other than the one Sunith Velho suggests. Perhaps their context in the interview in The Week makes their meaning absolutely clear. Andre -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Recognising people of Goan origin
Frederick, A very well compiled list with one exception. Here is what our famous DJ turned Model Ignatius Camillo(aka Iggy) had to say about the casting couch in the fashion industry in an interview with The Week. I can never forget the first time I read it. Quote: Its a very personal thing and theres nothing wrong with it if the two people concerned are okay with it :end quote In other words, if you have to sleep with someone to get ahead, go for it! To further destroy any sense of self-respect remaining he went on to say, Quote:When I was living in Mumbai, I had people propositioning memostly make-up men and C-grade fashion choreographers who told me I would get work if I went with a particular designer. Later, I found out the designer wasnt even aware of this. :endquote Which seems to me like he took up their propositions and then landed in an awkward situation. Is this person an example we would want aspiring Goan models to emulate?? Best wishes for 2007, Sunith Velho FN writes: Taking human, and soft, skills forward - * Sean D'Souza (NZ), CEO, Psychotactics Ltd. author, speaker, trainer * Brendan Fernandes, Ontario, artist. brendanfernandes.ca * Ignatius Camillo, supermodel cum deejay. -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet] Cult (Was: Goanet Should be ............)
Dear Santosh, How about making this your New Year's resolution. Avoid arguing with a man whose main debating point is essentially, There was this guy on T.V. who said.. Best Wishes for 2007! Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet] Slaves to Portuguese Rule
* * * 2006 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 21, 2006 @ 4:00pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-December/051747.html Roland, The Portuguese seem to have done an outstanding job of colonising the Goan mindset, especially yours. Here we have you admitting that the elders of the Francis clan(before the Portuguese arrived) were dishonest and immoral pagans who did not appreciate the good things of life. The slave mentality is indeed hard to rid ones self of. BTW India's economic resurgence that FN is talking about is not a figment of the western media's imagination, it is the ground reality being witnessed by millions of Indians even the two-week-decade holidayers. Who ever gave you the idea that any person in Goa was looking forward to any enduring return of overseas Goans back to Goa or India or the current trickle turning into a flood.?!? Eduardo Faleiro?? Sunith Portuguese Colonising The Minds of Their Goan Subjects. We should thank them for that. They taught Goans honesty, gave them character, a devotion to God and a love and appreciation of the good things of life. Never mind the susegado, look where all those values took Goans. So don't look forward just yet to any enduring return of overseas Goans back to Goa or India or the current trickle turning into a flood. -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet] Re:Liberation of Goa
* * * 2006 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 21, 2006 @ 4:00pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-December/051747.html Albert writes:(for the second time, obviously expecting a reply) The fellow who could not buy a cycle has now expensive cars. Quo vadis Domini. For whose benefits are we liberated? and the second question is are we really liberated? You provide the answer to the first question(s) yourself. Our liberation has benefitted of the common Goan. What more benefits would the colonial elites and bhatkars require? Helicopters and private jets? Or perhaps some mundkar slaves? Is the second question related to the liberation of minds and souls, or of Goa? If the latter then the simple answer is yes. If it is the former, I'll have to spend some more time meditating under my local Peepul tree and get back to you. Regards Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet] lifeguards
* * * 2006 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 21, 2006 @ 4:00pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-December/051398.html Bosco, There are plenty of qualified lifeguards in Goa(I know many of them from my days representing the state in Swimming) but here is the problem. 1] They all want permanent(not contract) Government jobs in the various SAG swimming pools in Panjim, Margao, etc. As you might be aware, the dream job for many people in Goa is a Government one (KTC driver being the hottest one!). No prizes for guessing why. 2] Some of the lifeguards are from the wrong constituencies. Interestingly, some watersports operators in Baga-Calangute-Candolm stretch had offered to take a contract(on a trial basis at first) to ensure the safety of all tourists using that stretch. These guys have better equipment(jet skis, speed-boats) and experienced manpower that can be very easily trained. Being local, they also have the muscle power to prevent drunk tourists from venturing into the sea. Unfortunately, the offer was not taken seriously. Regards Sunith Bosco writes: 2) Who uses the pools at the Swimming complex at Campal? I assume the youth living within a reasonable distance. The GTDC can sponsor/finance a program that would introduce formal swimming courses that would lead to being certified as a lifeguard over a period of 2-3 years. If the program is in place permanently, there could be a permanent supply of lifeguards. On a cynical note of my own, its quite likely that certified lifeguards have moved on and out of Goa..or..nobody wants to be a lifeguard as the job is not as glamourous as Baywatch makes it out to be. - Bosco Toronto, CA -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] The Goan crab mentality other Goan expressions
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Spread the Christmas cheer - even when you're not here! Send Christmas Greetings to your loved ones in Goa. 2006 Christmas - Two Packages available from EXPRESSIONS http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ Selma, If what you mention below is true, then why does homely girl's best friend the girl next door always beat glamorous girl in Hollywood movies? Some prejudices are unfortunately both universal and uniquely male. Most men want't to date the glamorous girls when they are young but want the homely ones to settle down with. Nothing intruiging here, ask any man. Regards Sunith Selma writes: She is a homely girl. This phrase used anywhere else in the world will earn you (to use another Goan expression), one tight slap or fattak. The word homely in general parlance means unattractive and shorn of embellishment. -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Panjim.. Post IFFI/ reply to Phillip
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Spread the Christmas cheer - even when you're not here! Send Christmas Greetings to your loved ones in Goa. 2006 Christmas - Two Packages available from EXPRESSIONS http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ Phillip, What exactly is the point of your post below? What does has INOX having a generator have to do with anything? I never said that the any work was irrelevant but I did mention that some activities were completely unrelated to the IFFI developmental works. You are once again missing the woods. Are we also going to blame the the controversial Regional Plan on IFFI, just because it happened after IFFI? Time to get some badly needed perspective on this issue. I was also curious as to how building of a bridge, widening of a main road, demolition of a 3 storey building, renovation of Panjim's main heritage structure, paving more than 3 kms of pavement, etc. qualify as minor infrastrucutre changes in your books, especially in the context of a city the size of Panjim. So far your argument against IFFI has been. 1. INOX in Garuda mall Bangalore is in a better state. 2. IFFI is the laughing stock of the film community.(Are you relying on random articles from Navhind and Herald for this?). 3. You find it a pain to park whenever you go to Panjim(not only during IFFI). 4. Tiling is chipping on the promenade. 5. Kala Academy is allegedly leaking. 6. Trenches dug for work unrelated to IFFI have not been filled. 7. The road drainage has not improved. 8. IFFI caters too much for the locals and should be completely re-positioned as an elitist event. Also it should be more Hollywood than Bollywood. You have to come up with a better, broader and more logical argument than that. The above isn't cutting any ice. Regards Sunith -- Sunith D Velho Phillip writes: I was intrigued by your ascribing the improvement in the electricity situation to, initially, the transformer and underground cabling. Susbequently you have overlooked the underground cabling. I am sure there is a link between the electricity situation in the market area and both the transformer as well as the cabling even though at one time you argued that cabling was irrelevant. Systems thinking would dictate this. Btw, Inox has a standby generator and relies on the external power supply for its usual requirements. It is not totally reliant on the latter. Cheers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
[Goanet] Goans can survive without too much of overseas
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Spread the Christmas cheer - even when you're not here! Send Christmas Greetings to your loved ones in Goa. 2006 Christmas - Two Packages available from EXPRESSIONS http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ If anyone takes Tony Martin up on his offer, it will be more than worth any money spent, and not only because of the feni and miskut! For those interested in ecology, pre-historic sites and anthropolgy that whole region(Cotigao, Gaondongrim, Neturlim, etc) is a small piece of heaven on earth. Best Regards Sunith Tony writes: Well among hundreds of other reasons why Goa is still the best,there is one place in Gaondongrim (now don't ask me where it is) called Indrawadi(?) My friend some things are best experienced than said or told. Please come and let me know when you are coming. I am not a tourist guide but I earn about 700 a day. So please excuse me for making myself clear on how much I expect beisdes travelling expenses. Best regards Tony Martin -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
[Goanet] Origins of Crab Mentality /Reply to Cornel
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Spread the Christmas cheer - even when you're not here! Send Christmas Greetings to your loved ones in Goa. 2006 Christmas - Two Packages available from EXPRESSIONS http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ Dear Cornel, Have you ever observed what happens when you put a couple of crabs in a shallow pot? Having spent many hours as a child indulging in this mindless acticvity( As I'm sure any kid who has access to live crabs has also), I can assure you that the following link from Wikipdeia best correctly describes the origin of this phrase. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality The regularity in the Goan-English use of this word is pehaps beacause of the abundance of crabs in Goa and Goans whose thinking fit that description. Best Regards Sunith Cornel writes: I am curious to discover, the origins of this term and what exactly it is supposed to mean please? Is it a translation of a Konkani term? -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Gulab Jaam (Was: Goa is............)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Spread the Christmas cheer - even when you're not here! Send Christmas Greetings to your loved ones in Goa. 2006 Christmas - Two Packages available from EXPRESSIONS http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ Selma writes: Everyone there was as Goan as our gaunti dog, patto ladru. If you weren't a Goan(albeit a reluctant one) yourself, the above statement would be a grave insult to those Goans resident in Goa and anyone proud of his Goan origins. For your information: 1] There are no commonly known Goan breeds of Dog. 2] Gaunti is used by most people to refer to the origins of food. It is only used by the misguided elites as an adjective to describe people. I'm sure you can come up with something better if you are trying to describe how 'Goan' a person is. Regards Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Panjim... post IFFI
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Spread the Christmas cheer - even when you're not here! Send Christmas Greetings to your loved ones in Goa. 2006 Christmas - Two Packages available from EXPRESSIONS http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ Bosco, I asked those who said IIFI was a waste of money for specific reasons to support their argument. Unfortunately none were forthcoming from anyone but Phillip Thomas. Roland replied with a couple of generalities, inanities, personal insults and has constantly taken this thread on a tangent. Please refer to the rest of my previous posts where I suggested that we should return to the crux of this thread, which you seem to have understood. I am going to provide the positive benefits IFFI has had (once again) for Panjim. Joe also mentioned some of these. 1. We now have a fantastic pedestrian promenade by the Mandovi. 2. The Campal-Miramar Road (D.B. Marg, I think) has become far less congested. This road used to be a traffic nightmare during end-of-school hours. 3. The electricity situation in the market area has improved dramatically, due to the new transformer installed for INOX(the main IFFI venue). 4. The Old GMC has been fantastically restored to its former grandeur. 5. Goans now have a fantastic world class multiplex to watch movies through the year. 6. Goan film buffs get a chance to watch excellent world cinema during IFFI. 7. There is organised entertainment for everyone during IFFI. 8. Kala Academy has been renovated.(Though Phillip blames IFFI for the leaks). FN Phillip have provided the following as drawbacks of IFFI. 1. Mis-management of funds. 2. Trouble finding parking in Panjim on a daily basis. 3. Flooding of DB Marg. 4. Trenches dug to place underground cables have not been filled I pointed out that points 2 and 4 have nothing to do with IFFI and also the flooding in that particular area was not caused by IFFI related works. It is a shame that this long standing fault was not rectified while widening the road. That leaves us with the mis-management of funds. Are we going to blindly oppose every financially intensive development project on the hypothesis that funds are/will be mismanaged? If these works had been done unrelated to IFFI would the fund management or quality of work differ? Are we finding fault with IFFI or the Government agencies that undertook the work? Are we proposing that no work should have been done at all? Best Regards Sunith I don't think trading personal barbs is a healthy exercise in trying to address the specific issue that is being lost in the 'noise'. So either we are going to return to a healthy discussion of the issue(s) or we are going to drop this thread. -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] The mess that is Goa/ Reply to Bosco
* * * 2006 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 21, 2006 @ 4:00pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-December/051412.html Hi Bosco, A few clarifications and comments regarding your interesting reply. Bosco writes: Sunith, I think you need to correct your perceptions. I haven't talked about Goans selling houses, proper healthcare, etc, etc I think only Roland and you have tried to make comparisons of Goa with other places. So when you say 'you', I think you mean Roland ?? Sunith responds: I mean't all Goanetters who do use this comparison(mainly Roland and Selma). I don't believe you've ever done so in this context. Bosco writes: Don't you think the authorities and people in Goa would be best served by learning from the mistakes of others? Sunith responds: I fully agree. That is the way the Wise would learn. Fools learn through needless pain and suffering, but they too learn eventually. Which is my main point. Bosco writes: I think your point b) is out of context here. It would help to understand what was the purpose of raising this issue of fiscal imbalance between the state and national governments in this exchange. Sunith responds: My point was perhaps a little out of context to this discussion. What I was trying to highlight here is that many people think because of the revenue generated in Goa through Government levies annually(approx Rs 2,500 Crores or 550 million USD) the Goan government is rich. However it is worthwhile to point out that only about Rs. 250-350 Crores comes back to the Goan Government. So while we have many rich Goan individuals, our Government coffers are quite empty. Hence there is a chronic lack of funds to spend on infrastructure, healthcare, etc. This shortage of funds(that already exists) is undoubtedly made worse by a corrupt executive and legislature. Bosco writes: If I could choose one area that displeases me - its the transport/transit system and its allied sphere of influences. Sunith responds: The joke that is public transport and transit in our beloved Goa has baffled me for a long time. But what do we do with a people so genetically programmed to oppose change. An example of the functioning of the Goan brain... Just before I left Goa, there were a series of truck mishaps on the ridiculously narrow National Highway 17 passing through Canacona that halted traffic for many hours for a couple of days in a row. The local residents protested vociferously(and rightly so!) against Governement inaction. When the North- South Six Lane Access Controlled Highway Project was announced guess who were the first ones to oppose it. The Canconkars themselves!! My hopes now rest with Santosh or his brain researching colleagues because this behaviour is now beyond amateurs like me or even experienced psychologists/psychiatrics. Bosco writes: You may want to do some serious reading on the nexus between various levels of governments in southern Italy and the Mafia in the 60s, 70s 80s especially how the Mafia made money while cutting into infrastructure development projects of the time, abetted by individuals in government. Protection money is still paid - to this day. Sunith responds: I agree again, only one difference though.In India no such nexus exists because the biggest criminals and extortionists are all politicians themselves. Best Regards Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
[Goanet] Intolerance and tolerance (France, Britain)..
* * * 2006 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 21, 2006 @ 4:00pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-December/051412.html Frederick, An interesting point you've raised here in on-topic land. Do you think Konkani chauvinism is on the rise in Goa or on the wane?? A couple of years ago speaking to a Goan in Hindi would have got you the 'French treatment'. However, now you very often see Goans communicating with fellow Indians in Hindi. When I started working I made a decision to improve my spoken Hindi(since I had already studied it for 10 years) rather than spend a lifetime of communicating with fellow Indians in bad English. I must admit that many a time Goans(even my mother!) would react strangely when I was having long conversations on my cell phone in Hindi and then switched to speak to them either in English or Konkani. Not having a decent knowledge of Hindi has long been trademark of Goan youth(especially the Catholic middle/upper classes), I find that this is mindset is rapidly changing. Don't you?? The root of Konkani chauvinism is similar to the German example you site below. However, would you consider it insensitive if an Indian asked you if you speak Hindi or English? Just as all us Goans learn Hindi in school, a vast majority of Germans learn a second language(either English or French but mostly the former). What is the first question a German will ask you in India? Don't think I need to answer that one. When travelling anywhere, I now try to learn at least the following statement in the local language(very common, but useful tactic) Excuse me, I'm sorry I don't speak your language, Can you please tell me... (switch to English with my Indian accent). I have enjoyed good treatment all over the world with this simple tactic, except Tamil Nadu, where random people will lecture me for hours that an NRI Tamil should learn his mother tongue! Continuously protesting Tamil Illa or that I'm from Goa seem to have no effect on the length of the lecture. Best Regards Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] FN writes: That could be because they don't like the British or the Germans, rather than they not liking you :-) Or, it could just be a linguistic thing, as is the rising head of Konkani chauvinism in Goa.-- In 1990, a Tongan colleague undergoing studies in Berlin would ask Germans she ran into, Excuse me, do you speak English? To my mind, then and now, it came across as an insensitive thing to do. If I was German, I would probably say, 'Why should we/' Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Panjim.. post IFFI/reply to Roland
* * * 2006 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 21, 2006 @ 4:00pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-December/051412.html Roland, I have no idea why you choose to describe your mind as feeble but I find it a bit disturbing. The problem it seeems to me is, you read my posts one sentence at a time, taking large breaks(sometimes days) in between sentences. Here is a simple excercise if you want to understand what I'm trying to say. 1. Read my posts a paragraph at a time. 2. After you are comfortable with the above, try reading the whole post in one sitting. 3. If step 2 poses no problems, read all the posts in the thread(including your own). 4. After you have done steps 1-3, take a deep breath and have a cup of Tea. You will then not miss the woods for a few trees(which you often do, in your haste to defend your posts) and see that the comparison I was making, was not between Barcelona and Panjim. It was a post about how large events are used all over the world to rejuvinate cities. Regards Sunith Roland writes: It might be my feeble mind, but it clearly looks to me that after having just compared modern day Goa to early 19th century New York, you are now comparing it to modern day Barcelona, London and Munich. Any explanation for this? Regards, Roland. -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] When Goa's media goes on a name-calling..
* * * 2006 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 21, 2006 @ 4:00pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-December/051412.html Roland writes. Our local dreamers think that Goa will improve, nevertheless. Sunith responds: Why do all your posts related to Goa boil down to the above? Roland writes: The wasteful expenditure on IFFI being one example. Very little brainpower needed to estimate that no more than10 cents on the dollar (or 10 paise on the rupee) must have actually gone into genuine IFFI expense. Sunith responds: Who are you to judge, that the expenditure on IFFI was wasteful? Is it your tax money that has been spent? Were you part of the target audience? Have you seen the balance sheets or the work that has been done for IFFI? If I don't pay taxes here in England nor attend the Olympics, would it be right for me to judge whether the government expenditure on the London Olympics is a waste of the British Taxpayers money? Cecil has already told us how much he enjoyed the movies as have many other Goans. As a Ponjekar myself, I can say that the IFFI expenditure has definitely given a much needed facelift to Panjim. I consider it money well spent, though the quality of work could have been better. Large events like the Olympics or World Cup are used all over the world to rejuvinate cities(Barcelona, London, Munich,etc), the same thing has happened in a much smaller way with Panjim and IFFI. -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] The Mess that is Goa
Dear Bosco, You seem to be missing my point. I'll make one last effort(I mean it this time). When you talk about Goans selling houses, proper healthcare, migrant labour, corruption, etc the common denominator in all these issues is money or economics. Hence it is not sensible to compare Goa and Toronto, because Canada is a first world economy and India is a third world developing economy. You must be aware that, a)New York in the 1900's was a developing economy as well. b)Goa gets less than 10% of the money it remits to the Indian government, back. c)Catholic elites excluded, Goans as a whole now have a higher per capita income, litercacy rate and better access to healthcare than ever before in Goa's history. Goa never compared to the first world (from the 1900's onwards) unless you were a bhatkar. If your bhats were big enough, your lifestyle in Goa today will still compare(or exceed) with the rich in the West. My point is this, please compare Goa with other democratic regions of the world today with similar economics and stop these non-sensical comparisons with USA, Dubai or Canada. If you must compare the two then compare them when both regions were in a similar state of economic development. Hardly rocket science all this, just plain common sense. So I really don't see why you were so amused by my post comparing Goa to NYC in the (1900's). Please tell me again. Amusement is often a defence mechanism to situations that seem completely beyond our grasp or understanding. Are you also now implying that organised crime is a problem in Goa by drawing parallels to the Mafia in Italy. You should be competing for space with Cecil on the GT humour columns. Anyways while the Italians had Falcone we have our encounter specialists(who are all still alive) just across the border. Best Regards -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bosco writes: I found Sunith's comparisons of NewYork of the 1900s with present day Goa amusing. Instead of moving forward he seems to be acknowledging that Goa is going backward. Never mind crime and corruption in New York in the 1900s; Contemporary Goa draws parallels to Southern Italy of the 1970s, 80s, 90s - with similar tales of the Cosa Nostra the Corleones. Big difference - Goa is yet to find its Giovanni Falcone or Paolo Borsellino. Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] The mess that is a Goan argument
Roland Quotes: Wherever You Are Home Is Where The Heart Is Sunith responds: Didn't this thread start with how you had finally achieved closure and were now happy that you chose to settle in Canada? Don't think this quote is particulalrly appropriate and you are kind of trampling over your own point. Maybe a little less watching Borat and more thinking before posting might help with your arguments. A little more thought and you could even overcome the pettiness your debate is generating into. Sunith Roland quotes me and other netters completely out of context(as below): With all this discussion about living in Toledo and buying flats in Goa, drinking Canadian beer with shouts of Canada rocks!, studying in England and returning to Goa to make changes - or not (as in the film BORAT) and accusing people of fleeing from Goa their own their native land. They are also surely not interested in hearing little boys exclaim in wonderment: In France they treat you rudely if you don't speak French. Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Holland considers Saree ban..
Dear Bosco, In my experience there is a marked difference between being liberal(that great European value) and being tolerant. While Holland and France are very liberal countries in terms of their attitudes towards sex and drugs, they have never been tolerant of other cultures or races. Paris is the largest tourist destination in the world but try asking a Parisian for directions in any language other than perfect French and see the response you will get, whatever your race. I have however been amazed with the official(government) support for multi-culturalism here in the UK. Notices from the town council in the borough where I live are translated into Bengali, Turkish, Punjabi, Hindi and Urdu( besides English of course). You can phone for translations into almost any major world language. I don't believe I have heard of such pratices anywhere else in the world! It is worthwhile to consider the whole tolerance debate as a two way street before we denounce other cultures for their intolerance. For instance can you imagine the hue and cry it would create in Goa if a government notice was also translated in Kannada, even though Kannadigas(who by some estimates form 20% of the Goan population) are part of the same country? Why all the hue and cry about a small percentage of foreigners buying land in Goa when every Goan has atleast one friend or relative working/setttled abroad? Recently on Goanet many people expressed outrage over the Indian mass in Toronto, we are talking about intolerance in the same community here. In India we havent fully accepted orthodox Muslims after nearly 500 years. Witness how all the successful and famous Muslims back home( Shahrukh Khan, Azim Premji, Shabana Azmi, etc...) are so Indianised(for wan't of a better term) or mainstream. Bombay is still very divided into Muslim and Hindu strongholds as is the rest of the country. I do not think any society in the world would willingly accept immigrants who do not want to completely integrate and assimilate into the local culture. Its is against human nature itself. Its high time we admit that, without fear of being politically incorrect in todays religiously charged atmosphere. It is not for nothing that Edward Said's brilliantly written book is considered one of the most important books of our age. Best Regards Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bosco wrote: RESPONSE: A few years ago, the French banned all religious symbols in state-run schools. There were several protests of all kinds. In the ensuing melee that is French debate, a few Sikh students were ordered to remove their turbans in order to attend school. They refused. The hungama resulted in them being banned from the school and subsequently deported. I don't know where they went to. I did see an interview of them on television. They spoke in 'pur fran?ais'. I'm reminded of the Ivy League-educated Edward Said's book, Orientalism. So little has changed in the world in subsequent generations. Some prejudices and biases just cannot be trumped. Best - Bosco Toronto, CA Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
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Hi Helga, I completely agree with what you said. There are very few resident Goan males on this forum so the absence of women from Goa is hardly surprising. Among the expatriate women, I hope the situation is not as glum as you paint it to be. Especially since Goan girls back home in Goa regularly out perform the boys in academics and are now fast catching up in the professional fields. What Aristo said about fish cutlets(h) however is partly true. Most girls in Goa(and many in the rest of India) are now proud that they don't know to cook I guess because cooking has long been symbolic of gender discrimination. I foresaw this situation a while ago, but never left home for long enough to take corrective action. When I spent months outside Goa, it was usually on company expense so it really didn't matter. However, when the time came to depart to London I spent weeks with every member of the family learning to cook everything I liked. Instead of being condemned to a life of fast food and microwave meals I am now able to cook Goan and Indian food myself(including fish cutlets!). This was unheard of a generation ago. Even more amazing is that many friends of mine(Aristo not included!) have realised the fact that if you want to eat good food in the future you are going to have to cook it yourself, infact your wife will demand it:)). Many have taken cookery courses from professionals for which they have suffered alot of ridicule from other boys(boys will be boys!). However they say he who laughs last While Aristo has to be content with Sambar Thalis, Chinese Fast Food and McDonalds in Bangalore(until he gets married, he thinks), I am going to enjoy a dinner of Mutton Xacuti tonight or maybe a Pork Vindalho. Regards Sunith Helga wrote: Just to clear matters Aristo I don't think Goan women living in Goa spend their time making pattice or cutlecy which is what Selma said - seriously or in jest I don't know. I am very impressed at the daughters of my friends who take posts overseas, work for big name companies and are very self assured. At the NIO where I spent two weeks there were women everywhere (apparently they cant find any guys to do fieldwork!!) and they are working toward their doctorates in very interesting fields like paleoclimate, molecular biology and biotechnology. -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Bleeding Labour Dry
Dear Vidhyadhar, I agree completely. I must say that I find it extremely pleasant to disagree with you beacause I know that in doing so I will get some insight into the failings of my own theories(of which I have many). I hate to brand myself as pro/anti anything. While I oppose nationalisation in India now, ten years from now I may have a different view. I have no illusions of changing your views which are both intellectually sound and very egalitarian, via this forum. However I will continue to provide an opposing point view to yours regarding the economics of our motherland every once in a while. BTW, I googled the Question Everything quote and I believe it is was first said by Greek playwright Euriprides. The whole quote is somewhat less appealing as it goes Question Everything. Learn something. Answer nothing Best Regards Sunith I don't think repeating them on this forum is going to convince either one of us. I respect your views, just as you respect mine, I'm sure ... so let's leave it at that, eh? I am anti-privatization and you are pro-privatization, and the world has plenty of space for both our views :-) -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
[Goanet] The Mess that is Goa/ reply to Selma
Dear Selma and Roland, I don't judge the choices people make nor the reasons for them. If economic circumstance or career development has forced a Goan to seek employment anywhere in the world, it doesn't make them any less Goan than someone living or working in Goa. However if they express happiness that they now have nothing to do with Goa and constantly predict doomsday scenarios for resident Goans based on their one week holidays, then I will not stand for it. Goanet is surely not the forum for a person to repeatedly promote the so called advantages they see in emigrating to, growing up and living in Dubai or Canada, nor is it the place to justify their delusions by constanatly denigrating our beloved state. I would be happy to start for all such people a FLEE-Goanet(free of charge!) so Goans on this forum don't have to repeatedly put up with half baked random observations which are an insult to all educated Goan members of this forum trying in their small way to improve their lot. How on earth is Dubai any example of a non-discriminatory society? Of what use to anyone on this forum is the observation that Ambulances are readily available in Canada and not in Goa? Do you think Goans on this forum are not aware of things that are wrong with Goa? Why do some expat-Goans think it is their moral duty to constantly lecture Goans on the so called benefits they enjoy living in the West and how Goans are suffering? Regards Sunith There are few times when I will get absolutely furious and I'm afraid this is going to be one of them. I am getting really sick and tired of constantly being dragged into posts that I have nothing to do with and constantly being misquoted. The second part of your sentence, that I was glad I wasn't raised in Goa was said in the context of caste prejudice. So don't misquote me. Yes, I was glad I was raised in Dubai, where my father gave me the type of life I could never imagine having in Goa, given that my father was born on the wrong sides of the track both in terms of caste and money. Good for you I say, but don't for one moment judge the choices other Goans born into desperate poverty made and make to this day. but there are far more people and circumstances that are proving to be the tidalwave of its misfortune. Perhaps it is time for you to accept the reality of the situation rather than being a sleeping Peter waiting for the cock to crow thrice. Selma Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Bleeding labour dry/reply to (Vidyadhar Gadgil)
Dear Vidhyadhar, To further nationalise essential services in a country where there is no political or bureaucratic accountabilty will spell disaster for India. To cite an example, until a few years ago telecommuncations was nationalised and the the scenario in this sector in India was comparable to remotest Africa. This was not due to any lack of funds or technology or expertise, but rather a delibrate attempt by Politicians and Babus to keep the masses ignorant and backward while providing limited service to the classes. This has long been a tactic of successive governments (mostly Congress) to keep themselves in power and postion themselves as the saviours of the poor. Fast forward a few years(since privatisation) and one can now get a Phone, Mobile and Broadband connection from the same BSNL in a day or two. I would genuinely like to know your explantion for this. The state of electricity, roads, and water in India remains very backward and I'm not sure why you are thankful for that. The primary reason for KTC's pathetic state is political interference in appointments and day-to-day activities. The primary reason for the below par service from private operators in Goa is a completely inefficient and corrupt bureaucracy(RTO and Traffic Police). The pathetic state of the PWD and Electricity Department begs privatisation in these sectors. The government has wasted decades by interfering in the industrial and commercial sector while ignoring education. While many people see this as a failure in the policy of post Independence government, I see this as a calculated and deliberate attempt by those in power to ensure that succesive generations of the underprivilleged would remain ignorant and they could keep portraying themselves as champions of the poor with gimmicks such as free electricity, public sector jobs and ensuring development one tap/streetlight at a time. Even today, no government in India will focus on education because they realise with education comes awareness. And an intellectually aware electorate will spell doom for the current crop of politicians, Yechury, Karat and friends included. By education, I do not mean literacy alone. Regards Sunith Vidhyadhar writes: Etc. Etc. All public services should be nationalised, starting with transport, followed by education. Fortunately, in India, energy and water are still entirely nationalised, though if lapdogs-of-the-IMF Manmohan and Chidambaram have their way, they soon won't be. Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
[Goanet] The Mess that is Goa/ reply to Roland
Dear Roland, Sometime ago Selma expressed a similar sentiment to yours by saying she was happy not to be born and brought up in Goa, which got me quite bewildered as to how a person who is happy not to have been born, brought up and lived in Goa could proudly claim to be a Goan. A fellow Goa netter who has chosen to settle in Goa after working for many years abroad then emailed me privately to explain that often expat-Goans denigrate Goa on this forum to justify to themselves, that they are better off elsewhere(where they/others don't quite feel like they belong). While I was reluctant to believe it at first I am now beginning to see his point. Allow me to point out some glaring inconsistencies in your post. Roland writes: ?Keep selling your properties for the lure of money that you don't really need. I am glad to have none of it. Sunith responds: Incredibly you follow it up by writing My biggest heartache when I left India was to sell off my mansion? You have done many years ago what you blame Goans for doing today, so obviously you have to blame yourself(in part) for the gloomy picture you claim Goa is today. Roland writes: I made sure that I sold it off, not at the best price I could get, but to receive the satisfaction of having handed it off another Goan, even if he was a Hindu... Sunith responds: This is a very communal statement (the even if he was Hindu part). As you must be aware communalism is one of the banes of Goan society today, thinking such as the above is to blame. Once again you prove yourself no different from the voters and politicians you seek to blame. Roland writes: Now I am at peace. I have finally received closure to my regrets. I am Glad that I live in Canada where everything is so different to Goa. Sunith responds: Do the Canadians have a different concept of closure than the rest of the world? If you so desperately seek closure, why are you on Goanet reminiscing of the wonderful times you had in Goa and in the Goan community through your life? Your posts are to me signs of someone who deep in his heart regrets he will never settle and grow old in his homeland. If you have truly achieved closure you should be on a Canadian forum, discussing the joys of living in Canada with fellow Canadians. I don't see the point of doing that on a Goan forum especially if they are just random thoughts. Please remember that all the comforts in Canada you enjoy, you played no part in creating. They were created by the sweat, toil and turmoil of the generations much before yours. You just entered a well oiled system and are now part of it. Hence it is very easy for you to make the ludicrous comparison between Goa (a developing third world economy) and Canada (an already developed first world economy). There is a continuous process of change going on in Goa that people who spend a few days here that to every few years, will never see. What use to anyone is a post full of tiredly repeated observations with no suggestions whatsoever?? Below is a quote once sent to me by a very widely travelled Goanetter who chose to come back to his homeland from an existence much more comfortable than the one you describe. Regards Sunith Breathes there a man, with soul so dead Who never to himself hath said This is my own, my native land. -Sir Walter Scott Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] The Emerging Superior HYBRID CASTE of Goa !
Dear Roland, Perhaps lounging in the cold Atlantic breeze wearing only a kashti has frozen Carmo's brains. My cutting edge research has convinced me that the proponents of the hybrid caste theory are more prone to using other un-mentionable body parts while posting, rather than their brains. There are other peculiarities of this new hybrid caste which you may have noticed for sure. Their entire vocabulary and world view seems to consist of imagined rivalries between groups(Goan, East Indian, non-IITian, non Catholic, etc). Their massive inferiority complexes cause them to repeat the above with monotonous regularity in weak attempts to garner respect, but are more successful in attracting ridicule. My cutting edge research has shown that anyone propagating such a theory is a MUTANT rather than a hybrid of any race. Regards Sunith -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
