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Admin I fear is giving too much space to this Offtopic, which does note relate to Goa. Time to cut this short! Takes too much of out bandwidth!! Would suggest JC and Mervyn, to sort out privately.. hAVE a nICE dAY! Seb From: Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Offtopic: Fighting a loosing battle Message-ID: 1384566542.30633.yahoomail...@web163501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 J. Colaco wrote: The next time you have a chance to visit your doc, ask him the following question: What forms do you or your office have to complete in order to get paid, and what information to you place on?it, albeit in the form of numbers aka ICD codes? Also, ask him what steps?he has to go through in order to order (say) an MRIand WHO decides to approve or not.
Re: [Goanet] Offtopic: Fighting a loosing battle
J. Colaco wrote: The next time you have a chance to visit your doc, ask him the following question: What forms do you or your office have to complete in order to get paid, and what information to you place on it, albeit in the form of numbers aka ICD codes? Also, ask him what steps he has to go through in order to order (say) an MRIand WHO decides to approve or not. Doc, No patient has to deal with paper work to get treatment in Ontario. The only time I had to deal with paper work was when someone in Goa requested it. I walked into his doctors office in Toronto and my friend received scanned copies of his entire medical file in 20 minutes. Follow the money, Doc. Always follow the money. Every year Canada allocates $6,000 for the health care of each of its 35 million residents. Yes, that totals to something like 210 BILLION dollars. We have a good healthcare system. Canada spends one tenth of that amount or $20 billion on defense. Lets contrast this amount with say, er, lets see, what country should we compare to? Maybe, er, lets see, India? Well India has abject poverty, people sleeping and dying on its streets and the defense budget is $46 billion annually. BTW: I believe that I am fortunate to work in the best possible hybrid system of health care. Those who can afford it - are seen in private offices,, those who cannot - are seen in public facilities. As expected, the number of patients in the two facilities and wait times are different. The best part of this hybrid: once the senior docs complete their work in the public offices, they see a limited number of pts in their private offices. The advantage of this is that both the system and the patients have access to the same expertise and same level of care. Thus far, there has been no shunting of pts from public to private and all the docs I know give their best to both sets of pts. All this provision is done, thus far, without income or sales taxation.though, sooner or later, some form of VAT will come because of external (WTO) pressure. I have no problems with anyone who demands that he has the right to pay for good, fast medical service when and where he wants it. The medical professionals in the family are also adamant that they do not want a two tier medical system. This is one argument I have learnt to avoid. Lastly, to give you some indication of the medical care available in Canada, here is what happened a few years ago. The brother of the then PM of Canada was taken to the emergency room of a hospital. He laid there a few hours before he got treatment. A few months later, that hospital got its budget increased. Oh! one more thing the guy was a surgeon at the very same hospital before he retired. Mervyn
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jc asked Mervyn: The next time you have a chance to visit your DOC, ask HIM the following question: What forms do you or your office have to complete in order to get PAID, and what information (do) you place on it, albeit in the form of numbers aka ICD codes? Mervyn responded: No patient has to deal with paper work to get treatment in Ontario. The only time I had to deal with paper work was when someone in Goa requested it. COMMENT: Ah, dear Mervyn. I wonder whether you read my post before sending off your response. jc, There is no way I am going into a doctors office to ask if he has an accounting problem. I go to the doctors office for only one reason i.e. the doctor has to hear my problems ;-) I like paperwork just as much as you do. Thankfully, my workplace is almost paperless now. Mervyn PS. I am still waiting for your answer on exactly who Fidelis is.
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jc asked Mervyn: The next time you have a chance to visit your DOC, ask HIM the following question: What forms do you or your office have to complete in order to get PAID, and what information (do) you place on it, albeit in the form of numbers aka ICD codes? Mervyn responded: No patient has to deal with paper work to get treatment in Ontario. The only time I had to deal with paper work was when someone in Goa requested it. COMMENT: Ah, dear Mervyn. I wonder whether you read my post before sending off your response. jc
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Mogal Mervyn, Not at home base - hence cannot format this msg appropriately. Re your statement that your medical info remains in your doc's office and that the docs get paid through your taxes, I was almost reminded of o senhor Churchill from Fatorda. The next time you have a chance to visit your doc, ask him the following question: What forms do you or your office have to complete in order to get paid, and what information to you place on it, albeit in the form of numbers aka ICD codes? Also, ask him what steps he has to go through in order to order (say) an MRIand WHO decides to approve or not. BTW: I believe that I am fortunate to work in the best possible hybrid system of health care. Those who can afford it - are seen in private offices,, those who cannot - are seen in public facilities. As expected, the number of patients in the two facilities and wait times are different. The best part of this hybrid: once the senior docs complete their work in the public offices, they see a limited number of pts in their private offices. The advantage of this is that both the system and the patients have access to the same expertise and same level of care. Thus far, there has been no shunting of pts from public to private and all the docs I know give their best to both sets of pts. All this provision is done, thus far, without income or sales taxation.though, sooner or later, some form of VAT will come because of external (WTO) pressure. best jc
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(1) Re: What is this? Speculating on the Misfortune of sick folks and the Struggles of the Health Providers? Mervyn Lobo: The reason for investing is to earn capital appreciation and dividends. Even those who do not invest but keep their savings in banks reap a profit, not because they have provided a service but because the banks have provided a service jc response: This is brilliant ! ! Individuals deposit funds which the Banks use (loan it out) to make money, and the public should be grateful for the services the banks provide (often) for a fee ! ? ! == (2) Re: Patient Confidentiality and the Physician Patient relationship are concomitantly being chucked out of the window? Mervyn Lobo: I am not sure which medical system you have a gripe about. jc response: it appears that Mervyn is quite unaware of what happens to his (patients') information from the doctors' offices after the visit and before the doctor gets paid by the Third Party eg Gorrment or Insurance companies AND (more importantly) before some faceless person somewhere decides on the need for (preCerts) a procedure. He surely is also unaware that the dotor/enfermeira who decides whether to OK the procedure / treatment (or NOT), cannot be successfully sued (yet) if the delay or denial results in patient worsening or death. Mervyn Lobo: (a) I firmly believe that every human being is entitled to comprehensive health care and (b) that the healty should pay for the expenses of the not so healthy. jc response: I agree with (a) except for the blanket use of the term 'entitled'. I know Fidelis will disagree with me and agree with you wrt (b). BTW: Suppose I 'semi-firmly' believe that EVERY Goan is 'entitled' to 3 meals a day, and that YOU should pay for it. Judging by his actions thus far, Fidelis should agree with that. jc .
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Jose Colaco wrote: jc response: This is brilliant ! ! Individuals deposit funds which the Banks use loan it out) to make money, and the public should be grateful for the services the banks provide (often) for a fee ! ? ! Doc, The banks are one of the pillars of the capitalist system. It is only when they are well developed that the other two pillars, land and labour, are used optimally. jc response: it appears that Mervyn is quite unaware of what happens to his (patients') information from the doctors' offices after the visit and before the doctor gets paid by the Third Party eg Gorrment or Insurance companies AND (more importantly) before some faceless person somewhere decides on the need for (preCerts) a procedure. Again Doc, you seem to have a gripe about a particular health care system. I cannot fathom which one. Perhaps it is the one in the Bahama's? However, I can tell you with certainty that my medical records remain with my doctor, as he is paid by my taxes. He surely is also unaware that the dotor/enfermeira who decides whether to OK the procedure / treatment (or NOT), cannot be successfully sued (yet) if the delay or denial results in patient worsening or death. We have a very different healthcare system here in Ontario. One that I am more than happy with it. The most pleasing part is that no Ontario resident can be denied healthcare because of a pre-existing condition. Mervyn: (a) I firmly believe that every human being is entitled to comprehensive health care and (b) that the healty should pay for the expenses of the not so healthy. jc response: I agree with (a) except for the blanket use of the term 'entitled'. I know Fidelis will disagree with me and agree with you wrt (b). Who is Fidelis? BTW: Suppose I 'semi-firmly' believe that EVERY Goan is 'entitled' to 3 meals a day, and that YOU should pay for it. The idea of government, is to re-distribute the wealth while growing the economy. When a person cannot feed his family, his extended family or society has to step in and help with food and shelter. The alternative, is to step on the person. The US, the UK and Canada all have programs to provide food and shelter for those unable to provide for themselves. Canada has an exceptional assistance plan for seniors. These programs are paid for by the people who have an excess of food and shelter. When its constituents are housed and fed, a government can also help alleviate pain outside its jurisdiction. As an example, for every dollar a person in Canada donates today for disaster relief in the Philippines, the Govt of Canada donates a dollar too. As for your suggestion that I pay for for the meals of every Goan, let me assure you that I would be delighted to do so. You know me, I will even throw in a few drinks. Every-time I do this with my fellow Goans, or even the least of my brothers, the lines on my happiness index charts go up exponentially. Mervyn
Re: [Goanet] Offtopic: Fighting a loosing battle
On 12 November 2013 10:36, Marshall Mendonza wrote thus to Mervyn Lobo (quoting Daniel Olsen): Money Can Buy . but not COMMENT: Well written Daniel and Well posted MM. Personally, I have NO problem with individuals making money honestly. Those who study hard and work even harder, deserve to make their money. However, those who speculate and salivate at the prospects of making Mo Money Mo Money Mo Money based on the suffering of others, IMHO are no better than hyenas. In any event, Der Cookie doth Crumbleth now, and it ain't the Chai Pani tangentials who are doing it. The major lesson in life is this: Do NOT try to fix one problem by trying to dismantle that which is not broken and thereby creating 10 other problems. After all, people and systems are fickle. That is why it is recommended that Change must be effected gradually. The first step being: First fix that which is broken. Take the example of Chinese Macau where change was effected in a gradual and orderly manner, and compare it with East Timor. jc
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J. Colaco jc Mervyn are you salivating at the prospect of MAKING Mo Money, Mo Money Mo Money based on the illnesses patients have and treatments YOU do NOT provide ! ? ! Doc, The reason for investing is to earn capital appreciation and dividends. Even those who do not invest but keep their savings in banks reap a profit, not because they have provided a service but because the banks have provided a service. What is this? Speculating on the Misfortune of sick folks and the Struggles of the Health Providers? while Patient Confidentiality and the Physician Patient relationship are concomitantly being chucked out of the window? I am not sure which medical system you have a gripe about. I firmly believe that every human being is entitled to comprehensive health care and that the healty should pay for the expenses of the not so healthy. As an example, a young immigrant at the place I volunter was told that the technology existed to treat a heart aliament she had since she was a child. The cost of the treatment to her? $0.00. The procedure was sucessful and we now have a member of the community who has a regular job and contributes taxes to the society she lives in. NO! but you would rather like everybody to eat at Mikey's or Prakash's, and find out their personal business at the time! ALL because you have Mo Money to make! I have no problems with medical specialist charging what the market will bear. Both the doctor and the patient here have understood that money has a use. Mervyn
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J. Colaco jc wrote: My dear Mervyn, How does the world of Money, Mo Money, and Mo Money look to you at this point and time? jc ps: I always thought that sick patients come to consult practicing doctors. Silly me. It might be possible that patients actually come to see investors, insurance industry officials, health administrators etc Doc, Today, or this point of time, is of little fascination to me. My focus is on how well I surmise what happens in the future. To answer your question, the future looks great when one can go long and/or short on any ETF. If you have a specific question, I would be happy to answer it, quid pro quo. I am not quite sure what you are hinting at in your postscript. Your reply is to a post of mine dated Saturday Oct 4th, 2013. Here is what I had written then referring to the Tea Party madness on healthcare: There also are good, higher risk trading opportunities in the short run if you believe like I do that this whole tempest will be over in two weeks. Two business days later was the absolute sweet spot to long on healthcare ETF's. Two weeks later, you could have sold those healthcare ETF's for a 5% profit. Take a look at the title of this post again. Yes, there were plenty of winners when the Tea Party morphed into the Mad Hatters Party. Mervyn 11.11.13
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Mervyn Lobo: Follow the money. Always follow the money. Money is the reason why laws are enacted. Money is the reason why people change their names. It is the reason why airports get built. Always follow the money. It will lead you to the truth Response: Here is a beautiful poem written by a 10 year old: What Money Can't Buy © by Daniel Olsson Money Can Buy A job, but not accomplishment. A house, but not a home. A pet, but not a friend. Medicine, but not health. Decorations, but not happiness. A ring, but not love. A book, but not a story. An education, but not knowledge. Glasses, but not sight. Toys, but not fun. Clothes, but not beauty. A piano, but not a song. Paper and pencil, but not words. A bed, but not sleep. Food, but not a meal. A window, but not a view. Money is the car, but not the driver. Daniel, the grandson of Helen Olson, was 10 years old when this was written. Regards, Marshall
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On 11 November 2013 20:10, Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca wrote: 'There also are good, higher risk trading opportunities in the short run if you believe like I do that this whole tempest will be over in two weeks. Two business days later was the absolute sweet spot to long on healthcare ETF's. Two weeks later, you could have sold those healthcare ETF's for a 5% profit. Take a look at the title of this post again... RESPONSE: Mervyn are you salivating at the prospect of MAKING Mo Money, Mo Money Mo Money based on the illnesses patients have and treatments YOU do NOT provide ! ? ! What is this? Speculating on the Misfortune of sick folks and the Struggles of the Health Providers? while Patient Confidentiality and the Physician Patient relationship are concomitantly being chucked out of the window? Allow me to ask you the following: If you wish to have a good meal (because you are hungry, I hope), do you NOT go to a restaurant of your choice - whatever the cost, IF it is restaurant with a good reputation? Mark you, IF the cost is beyond your means, No one would be able to force you to eat there. You would Shop around, would you not? So, what is different about that and someone going to a doctor of his choice - whatever the doctor charges. Mark you, IF the cost was beyond your means, I am sure you would shop around. No one is forcing you to see any particular doctor. Pointless going to see a physician in an expensive location and then complain about his charges. What happened, are we forgetting to do due diligence? You are a finance man/ You should know WHY some restaurants and some docs in some locations and specialties are more expensive than others. NO! but you would rather like everybody to eat at Mikey's or Prakash's, and find out their personal business at the time! ALL because you have Mo Money to make! Will hold a bit because of Dotorbab Dotorbab. jc
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On 4 October 2013 22:20, Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca wrote: Follow the money. Always follow the money. Money is the reason why laws are enacted. Money is the reason why people change their names. It is the reason why airports get built. Always follow the money. It will lead you to the truth There also are good, higher risk trading opportunities in the short run if you believe like I do that this whole tempest will be over in two weeks. There is an old Lobo saying, Let the elephant hurt itself, and profit from the same. --- My dear Mervyn, How does the world of Money, Mo Money, and Mo Money look to you at this point and time? jc ps: I always thought that sick patients come to consult practicing doctors. Silly me. It might be possible that patients actually come to see investors, insurance industry officials, health administrators etc
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On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:52 PM, Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net wrote: Imagine a healthy 20-something who lacks medical insurance, gets into a serious car accident. He is rushed to a nearby hospital and gets treated. Who does he imagine will pick up his medical expenses? After all, the hospital isn't exactly a charity. COMMENT: on the allegedly losing battle 1: please vide EMTALA (1986). I submit the following: a: financial provisions have been in place and budgeted/paid for .for a pretty long time. b: NO hospital was/is expected to behave as a charity. c: IF there is a problem with the guest bathroom! does it make sense to try rebuild the whole house . even IF one had the funds to do that? d: Perhaps, it does to the Insurance Industry which has been strikingly silent - no doubt, in tandem with Mervyn's line of thinking? jc
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Thanks for pointing out the spelling error guys. Appreciate it. Eric, I'd like to take you up on your offer. Plans for the day are not set in stone, so I might swing by your side. By the way, did you say pomfret sells for only 2 bucks a pound? My guy over here sells it for 8. What a rip-off !!! But he says he imports it from India. Jim From: eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org; goa...@goanet.org goa...@goanet.org Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 10:10 PM Subject: [Goanet] Offtopic: Fighting a loosing battle Dom Ferdi - so you let loose/lose, not sure which ! Will fix Jimmy his favourite fish: it is favorite in our parts. Hong Kong pomfret is down to two dollars, from last year's four. eric. From: Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdina...@hotmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org goa...@goanet.org Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 2:29 PM Subject: [Goanet] Offtopic: Fighting a loosing battle - Original Message - From: Jim Fernandes amigo007 at att.net To: goanet at lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:22 AM Subject: [Goanet] Offtopic: Fighting a loosing battle COMMENT: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/loosing http://www.thefreedictionary.com/losing Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
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So you heard the storyline - The US government is going through what they call - a shutdown. Make no mistake - the US hasn't gone to sleep or its military is snoozing on Copachem. The republicans are pulling stunts to kill what is widely known as Obamacare - a health insurance law that forces most Americans to either get themselves health insurance or pay a penalty. Even though I tried quite objectively to understand the republican point of view, I am still perplexed at the lack of reasoning power displayed by their actions. So what is going on here? There are those who ask 'Why do I need health coverage? Why force something on me when I am not interested in it ?' Well, how many of these folks are willing to hang a note around their necks, requesting to let themselves die, if they need expensive medical care in a life and death situation? How many of these guys are willing to carry a wrist band stating to NOT let them rush to hospitals, if they get into catastrophic medical emergencies, because they do not carry insurance? Imagine a healthy 20-something who lacks medical insurance, gets into a serious car accident. He is rushed to a nearby hospital and gets treated. Who does he imagine will pick up his medical expenses? By not having medical insurance, this guy is driving up the cost of insurance for everyone else who happen to purchase it. Would you not agree? After all, the hospital isn't exactly a charity. The least such people should consider doing is to purchase catastrophic health insurance. For those who cannot afford to purchase the coverage, Obama's plan subsidizes the health coverage via tax rebates. So why block it? There are some who would not qualify for tax rebates because they make too little. But these folks only have their own states to blame (states that are run by republicans) because they refused to expand Medicaid - a health program for the very poor. Then there are those at the other extreme of the age spectrum who also think Obamacare is a horrible idea. These are folks who are mostly retired and collecting Social Security benefits and enjoying Medicare (a highly subsidized medical program for the retirees) for life. Could these guys care to take a moment and check how much money they actually contributed into Social Security and Medicare during their entire working life? Please calculate how much you contributed into the system and how much you are collecting from the government. I guarantee you - whatever these folks contributed into the system years ago - even after adjusting for inflation - is peanuts. What they are collecting is much more. I would like these guys to understand that the money they are collecting, is NOT falling from the sky. Part of it is coming out of my paycheck. So if you are against Obamacare, why do you want Social Security and Medicare? As far as I am concerned, I still have 20 more years of working life to take care of my retirement and medical needs. I am really not interested in contributing more than $14,000 a year into Social Security (employee and employer contributions) and a few thousand more into Medicare. Are you willing to do away with it? I have already put in 20 years into the system and I am still willing to forego my benefits, if these guys are willing to close the shop on Social Security and Medicare as soon as they get what they contributed plus a generous 5% return. If you are fighting against Obamacare, please also fight to do away with SS and Medicare - I really don't need it. I would like to call myself a centrist. If a republican comes up with an interesting manifesto, I'd vote for him/her, just like how I would vote for a democrat. But clearly, the republicans are fighting an unjust battle. Now they are threatening to not raise the debt limit and force a US default. Wait a minute - what the hell is a debt limit? No other country has one! Actually, I think Obama should call their bluff. Do you know who has the most money? The one percenter's of course! And who are these so called one percenter's (the high net worth folks) politically aligned with? I'd say - mostly republican. So, in the event the US defaults, who stands to loose the most? Ah ha - the super rich!!! Let the US default! Of course the republicans wouldn't want to loose their money. So they would be forced to work with the president and raise the debt limit anyway. Which means the US won't default. Which also means the republicans are fighting a loosing battle. Jim F New York.
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Tks Jim, Makes a whole lot of sense. Give to Receive is the motto. Perhaps the Republicans has forgotten this altogether. Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:22 AM Subject: [Goanet] Offtopic: Fighting a loosing battle So you heard the storyline - The US government is going through what they call - a shutdown. Make no mistake - the US hasn't gone to sleep or its military is snoozing on Copachem. The republicans are pulling stunts to kill what is widely known as Obamacare - a health insurance law that forces most Americans to either get themselves health insurance or pay a penalty. Even though I tried quite objectively to understand the republican point of view, I am still perplexed at the lack of reasoning power displayed by their actions. So what is going on here? There are those who ask 'Why do I need health coverage? Why force something on me when I am not interested in it ?' Well, how many of these folks are willing to hang a note around their necks, requesting to let themselves die, if they need expensive medical care in a life and death situation? How many of these guys are willing to carry a wrist band stating to NOT let them rush to hospitals, if they get into catastrophic medical emergencies, because they do not carry insurance? Imagine a healthy 20-something who lacks medical insurance, gets into a serious car accident. He is rushed to a nearby hospital and gets treated. Who does he imagine will pick up his medical expenses? By not having medical insurance, this guy is driving up the cost of insurance for everyone else who happen to purchase it. Would you not agree? After all, the hospital isn't exactly a charity. The least such people should consider doing is to purchase catastrophic health insurance. For those who cannot afford to purchase the coverage, Obama's plan subsidizes the health coverage via tax rebates. So why block it? There are some who would not qualify for tax rebates because they make too little. But these folks only have their own states to blame (states that are run by republicans) because they refused to expand Medicaid - a health program for the very poor. Then there are those at the other extreme of the age spectrum who also think Obamacare is a horrible idea. These are folks who are mostly retired and collecting Social Security benefits and enjoying Medicare (a highly subsidized medical program for the retirees) for life. Could these guys care to take a moment and check how much money they actually contributed into Social Security and Medicare during their entire working life? Please calculate how much you contributed into the system and how much you are collecting from the government. I guarantee you - whatever these folks contributed into the system years ago - even after adjusting for inflation - is peanuts. What they are collecting is much more. I would like these guys to understand that the money they are collecting, is NOT falling from the sky. Part of it is coming out of my paycheck. So if you are against Obamacare, why do you want Social Security and Medicare? As far as I am concerned, I still have 20 more years of working life to take care of my retirement and medical needs. I am really not interested in contributing more than $14,000 a year into Social Security (employee and employer contributions) and a few thousand more into Medicare. Are you willing to do away with it? I have already put in 20 years into the system and I am still willing to forego my benefits, if these guys are willing to close the shop on Social Security and Medicare as soon as they get what they contributed plus a generous 5% return. If you are fighting against Obamacare, please also fight to do away with SS and Medicare - I really don't need it. I would like to call myself a centrist. If a republican comes up with an interesting manifesto, I'd vote for him/her, just like how I would vote for a democrat. But clearly, the republicans are fighting an unjust battle. Now they are threatening to not raise the debt limit and force a US default. Wait a minute - what the hell is a debt limit? No other country has one! Actually, I think Obama should call their bluff. Do you know who has the most money? The one percenter's of course! And who are these so called one percenter's (the high net worth folks) politically aligned with? I'd say - mostly republican. So, in the event the US defaults, who stands to loose the most? Ah ha - the super rich!!! Let the US default! Of course the republicans wouldn't want to loose their money. So they would be forced to work with the president and raise the debt limit anyway. Which means the US won't default. Which also means the republicans are fighting a loosing battle. Jim F New York.
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- Original Message - From: Jim Fernandes amigo007 at att.net To: goanet at lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:22 AM Subject: [Goanet] Offtopic: Fighting a loosing battle COMMENT: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/loosing http://www.thefreedictionary.com/losing Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
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Dom Ferdi - so you let loose/lose, not sure which ! Will fix Jimmy his favourite fish: it is favorite in our parts. Hong Kong pomfret is down to two dollars, from last year's four. eric. From: Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdina...@hotmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org goa...@goanet.org Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 2:29 PM Subject: [Goanet] Offtopic: Fighting a loosing battle - Original Message - From: Jim Fernandes amigo007 at att.net To: goanet at lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:22 AM Subject: [Goanet] Offtopic: Fighting a loosing battle COMMENT: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/loosing http://www.thefreedictionary.com/losing Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
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Jim Fernandes wrote: Let the US default! Jim F, I find the above statement very offensive. It is not that of a patriot or that of any person who understands what a default will do to the US currency and economy. Of course the republicans wouldn't want to loose their money. Follow the money. Always follow the money. Money is the reason why laws are enacted. Money is the reason why people change their names. It is the reason why airports get built. Always follow the money. It will lead you to the truth and the truth about the Affordable Heath Care is that a lot of investors stand to lose a lot of money when it gets implemented. What is nice to know is that you and I can make a few dollars if one believes that Obamacare will be implemented in its current form. There also are good, higher risk trading opportunities in the short run if you believe like I do that this whole tempest will be over in two weeks. Heck, I saw people put in bets today that say an accord will be reached this weekend. There is an old Lobo saying, Let the elephant hurt itself, and profit from the same. Mervyn Lobo
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- Original Message - From: Jim Fernandes amigo007 at att.net To: goanet at lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:22 AM Subject: [Goanet] Offtopic: Fighting a loosing battle On 4 October 2013 13:59, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão wrote:: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/loosing http://www.thefreedictionary.com/losing COMMENT: Ah Ferdy, Why did I predict that you would catch the Loose one? When I saw one Loose, I thought: Well I make typos, Jim made one When I saw more that one Loose, I thought: Well, batter I Kip Quite best jc
