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Dear Floriano.
Very well said and I concur with you.The law of the land has to be
respected and adhered to.The 10.pm timing is good and justified.As kids
we have suffered enough ,as the full moon parties on Calangute beach
would go up to 5am in the morning.All my neighbours may not have any
regrets though, as these hippie parties helped the tourism boom of the
70's/80's due to which they are economically well off today.The very
same neighbours who did not have proper toilets and would sit in the
bushes to answer nature's call.The very same fishermen who had to sell
their fish to enable them to buy a bag of rice and most of the time have
curry without fish init (saurak).Today they not only have their own
toilet , but their own Toyota car too.
Had a quick phone call to Candolim neighbours yesterday who are living
within a few meters to the venue.Causually asking if the Music is not
disturbing them and if anyone complained about it.I was told Are
Baba,Why would anyone complain ? The organizers were expecting 20,000
people ,but nearly 30,000 people have turned up for the event. People
who have been letting their rooms out for Rs 600 a night have hiked
their prices to Rs 4,000 a night for this week.All our neighbours are
returning home only at 6am in the morning ,as business for the shacks
and stalls is booming.They are making as much money in one night ,as the
amount they will make in a month.
We are slowly trying to get rid of the mining industry in Goa which
employs a major chunk of the Goan populace.When this happens , people
will need alternative jobs.I think tourism is the only industry in Goa
that can accommodate such a large workforce.So lets not destroy what we
already have.The number of European tourists are falling every year, as
they are taking to alternative destinations in South east Asia.By just
saying 'Stop Minning in Goa' wont help, people need alternative means of
livelihood.
At the same time the organizers/tourism promoters should respect the
sentiments of the local populace and uphold the law of the land.
Last week , Titos blocking access to a public road to help with their
event in Calangute was in bad taste.Which led to blocking of traffic
for 3 whole hours , led by former sarpanch Joshep Seiquera.
If the 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. timing and the rule of the land is followed
than it is indeed a victory for Goa and thanks to people like Floriano
Lobo for keeping a tab on the activities of these people and bringing
them to the notice of the authorities.
Cheers
Benedict
2010/12/28 floriano
Dear Salus et al,
I have said exactly that. That the authorities need to be kept in check
most often. If this is missing, then it is all out advantage to the
pushers and go getters.
As a member of the NP committee, I, along with other committee members
have strongly objected to any outdoor venues going beyond 10.00 p.m.
Because this is the LAW endorsed by the Supreme Court of India. If at
all any venue needs to operate beyond 10 p.m. it has to be 'double door-
sound proofed' venue which can operate 365 x 24 hours with no concern to
anyone at all.
The organizers of the SUNBURN has accepted this formula and that is why
this time over it is operating from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. And the
authorities are keeping an eye on these timings.
Is it not a victory for GOA??
Every one who wants to enjoy good music can do so with abandon, and more
and everyone who wants to have a quiet evening and restful night can do
so with abandon too.
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Thanks Floriano, So what exactly are you trying to tell us all with your long message? That the authorities have failed in some way or another? Getting back to my message, if the authorities have failed you, target them and NOT THE MUSIC LOVING PEOPLE OF GOA. Regards Salus From: floriano Compliments of the SEASON to you, Dear Salus. I see that you are peeked by my post on the SUNBURN Festival at Candolim Beach. The High Court of Bombay at Goa, with its concerns for the lay citizens being disturbed by loud music noise pollution has seen it fit to include those people on the committee who have been wanting governments and its agencies to implement the laws, rules and regulations in force on a consistent basis with track records. And there are people like myself who would not bother a wee bit if not elected (party) but will want the governments in place to do their jobs. Laws, rules and regulations are put in place because people like myself see, through their qualified objections, that these are put in place. Every one is equal in the eyes of the law. The ideal thing that will happen if the laws of the land are implemented to the crossing of the 'Ts' and dotting of the 'Is' is that those who want to enjoy, make money, be prosperous will enjoy, make money and be prosperous but those who don't, their rights to be left alone in peace will be guaranteed. When this becomes one sided, the other side protests, agitates and demands that their rights be given to them. And this erases most of the lethargies in the implementation of the Laws rules and regulations in existence, and also helps in formulating news Laws etc. meaning that the chairs of the persons sitting in commanding positions are shaken.
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Dear All, What has so impressed me about the conversation so far is the manner in which, unlike other posts I have seen on Goan groups, the discussion has been on in a relatively respectful manner. THank you for that, and I hope we can maintain that tone until the conclusion of this thread. Floriano, you have really valid points. I especially saw red when you mentioned the issue of power being shifted from the local to the national level. I agree therefore that there may be problems with the way in which the event is being organised. However, these are problems that need to be ironed out through dialogue and constant fine-tuning year after year. Ofcourse this assumes that we are willing to dialogue, as are the organisers of Sunburn... I think the valid point that we must recognise is that there is a difference (and a valid and important one) between Benedict's position and that of Bernardo. One lives in the area and benefits economically from Sunburn and tourism associated happenings, the other lives far away and represents a perspective that has nothing to gain economically from tourism etc etc. This is significant I believe. There are many Goans who need to make money and push themselves up to the next economic bracket. This is the story of the beach belt, no matter how much I may dislike what it has become. The question then is how do we work with them (local Goans) rather than against them. Simply standing on a rock and crying like a prophet of doom is not going to help. regards, J
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Sunburn at what cost? Is it not time for Goans to take charge and change the curtains of lewedness portrayed by the post 61 colonial ruler? I want to challenge Armando on the word he used - oppression? Or is it an other expression commonly used in post 61 brainwash formation. BC
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former Chief of Indian Army Staff
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Bernado bab!
How old do you think people who use the word “oppression” are?
That should answer your challenge.
Mog sodanch assum
Oscar
From: Bernado Colaco
Sunburn at what cost? Is it not time for Goans to take charge and change
the curtains of lewedness portrayed by the post 61 colonial ruler?
I want to challenge Armando on the word he used - oppression? Or is it
an other expression commonly used in post 61 brainwash formation.
BC
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NEW BOOK: 'PATRIOTISM IN ACTION: Goans in Indias Defence Services'
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former Chief of Indian Army Staff
and Governor, Punjab Administrator, Chandigarh UT
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GOA: Literati (2277740), Other India (2263306), Broadway (6647038),
Mandovi (2427904), Noel DSilva Associates (9823120454 / 9096781714),
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(9527463684)
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Dear Salus et al,
I have said exactly that. That the authorities need to be kept in check
most often. If this is missing, then it is all out advantage to the
pushers and go getters.
As a member of the NP committee, I, along with other committee members
have strongly objected to any outdoor venues going beyond 10.00 p.m.
Because this is the LAW endorsed by the Supreme Court of India. If at
all any venue needs to operate beyond 10 p.m. it has to be 'double door-
sound proofed' venue which can operate 365 x 24 hours with no concern to
anyone at all.
The organizers of the SUNBURN has accepted this formula and that is why
this time over it is operating from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. And the
authorities are keeping an eye on these timings.
Is it not a victory for GOA??
Every one who wants to enjoy good music can do so with abandon, and more
and everyone who wants to have a quiet evening and restful night can do
so with abandon too.
Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org
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NEW BOOK: 'PATRIOTISM IN ACTION: Goans in Indias Defence Services'
With Foreword by Gen SF Rodrigues, PVSM, VSM, ADC (retd)
former Chief of Indian Army Staff
and Governor, Punjab Administrator, Chandigarh UT
Copies now available at:
GOA: Literati (2277740), Other India (2263306), Broadway (6647038),
Mandovi (2427904), Noel DSilva Associates (9823120454 / 9096781714),
Confidant / Golden Heart Emp (2732450), David Co (2730326), Vardaan
(9527463684)
SERV / RETD Def Offrs in Goa: O/o Sainik Co-op Hse Bldg Sty, Def Col, Porvorim
(2417288)
MUMBAI: David Co (22019010)
PUNE: Manneys (26131683), Popular (25678327)
BENGALURU: Narayan (22865800)
DELHI: Ritana (24617278)
ONLINE (worldwide delivery): http://www.ritanabooks.com,
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Floriano,
This is not just about music. It is the way the beach is left after the
event. The impact of intoxication by other communities who really
cannot cope with drinks. The over promotion of Goa resulting in
attracting sale of land to non Goans.
kr
M
From: floriano
Dear Salus et al,
I have said exactly that. That the authorities need to be kept in check
most often. If this is missing, then it is all out advantage to the
pushers and go getters.
As a member of the NP committee, I, along with other committee members
have strongly objected to any outdoor venues going beyond 10.00 p.m.
Because this is the LAW endorsed by the Supreme Court of India. If at
all any venue needs to operate beyond 10 p.m. it has to be 'double door-
sound proofed' venue which can operate 365 x 24 hours with no concern to
anyone at all.
The organizers of the SUNBURN has accepted this formula and that is why
this time over it is operating from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. And the
authorities are keeping an eye on these timings.
Is it not a victory for GOA??
Every one who wants to enjoy good music can do so with abandon, and more
and everyone who wants to have a quiet evening and restful night can do
so with abandon too.
Re: [Goanet] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL
Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I verily agree with you Benedictone cannot live a benedict in every life aspect of our pitifully little lives Alfred Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 00:49:36 -0500 From: benedictl...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Whats wrong with having a Music Festival ? Is it become a trend to oppose anything and everything these days ,so that the real issues affecting Goa are sidelined. This Cock and Bull story about drugs being sold at the festival makes me laugh.Come on people , we have spent half our lives living on the Calangute-Candolim coastline.Drugs are sold everywhere in Goa and in the least of places you will expect.The 'drug dealer' is not foolish to sell dope at a public venue like the festival where he is being watched. Music is an ingredient part of Goan lifestyle and runs deep in their blood.Goa can be a music Capital of the Country and should be promoted to be one.We are lucky to have so many international artists playing in Goa today, thanks to these festivals and thousands of national and international tourists who come at this time , adding to our economy.If we take away all this, the tourists will not have much to do in Goa.No doubt , the tourist numbers have fallen this year and most of these are moving towards South East Asia.Even the Middle East countries like UAE has started having international Music festivals and concerts by international artists to attract tourists here.I know many Goans and a lot Indians who fly all the way here just to attend a concert by Bryan Adams, Santana ect. Alas for those that never sing,But die with all their music in them! ~Oliver Wendell Holmes So let there be Music !! Cheers Benedict 2010/12/26 Marion Pereira mcpereir...@yahoo.co.uk Wake up !! This is our Festive Season and all is quiet - where are you all? By they way The Goan Voice has an article on the Sunburn Fest which very neatly takes you to comment on it and neatly into twitter where you can have access to Bollywood stars. Sharuk Khan has already I believe made his way to Goa for the festival. Now here is your opportunity to feedback on the damages being caused to Goa and for Bollywood to fund the restoration. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/music/music-events/Sunburn-fest-in-Goa/articleshow/7155367.cms Please do not lose this opportunity to have your say. I have already asked Mr Singh (the organiser of the Fest) to take the Fest to the Punjab. lots of love and hugs Marion Pereira
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Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Bravo Benedict! Thank you for making the logical and reasonable argument. It has indeed become a trend to blindly flap our wings and scream 'bloody murder'. There may be problems with Sunburn, but lets get real and recognize that 'drugs' are not the reason to oppose it for the reasons that you so perfectly lay out. In deed, the kind of opposition that segments of the Catholic elites mount fits neatly into the agenda of the saffron right wing groups that oppose most of the evolving cultural manifestations of the Goan Catholic (and other Goans too). nuff zed, J 2010/12/27 Benedict Lobo Whats wrong with having a Music Festival ? Is it become a trend to oppose anything and everything these days ,so that the real issues affecting Goa are sidelined. This Cock and Bull story about drugs being sold at the festival makes me laugh.Come on people , we have spent half our lives living on the Calangute-Candolim coastline.Drugs are sold everywhere in Goa and in the least of places you will expect.The 'drug dealer' is not foolish to sell dope at a public venue like the festival where he is being watched. Music is an ingredient part of Goan lifestyle and runs deep in their blood.Goa can be a music Capital of the Country and should be promoted to be one.We are lucky to have so many international artists playing in Goa today, thanks to these festivals and thousands of national and international tourists who come at this time , adding to our economy.If we take away all this, the tourists will not have much to do in Goa.No doubt , the tourist numbers have fallen this year and most of these are moving towards South East Asia.Even the Middle East countries like UAE has started having international Music festivals and concerts by international artists to attract tourists here.I know many Goans and a lot Indians who fly all the way here just to attend a concert by Bryan Adams, Santana ect. Alas for those that never sing,But die with all their music in them! ~Oliver Wendell Holmes So let there be Music !! Cheers Benedict
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Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hello everyone,' i dont think that there is anything wrong in having a music festival provided that all laws are abided by the people and the organizers. yes, Goa can be the Music capital of not only our beautiful country, but the whole of the East. So, let the music play,. armando Gonsalves Mansion, Heritage Jazz Street, Campal, Panjim, Goa 403001 Website: www.heritagejazz.com --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Benedict Lobo wrote: Whats wrong with having a Music Festival ? Is it become a trend to oppose anything and everything these days ,so that the real issues affecting Goa are sidelined. This Cock and Bull story about drugs being sold at the festival makes me laugh.Come on people , we have spent half our lives living on the Calangute-Candolim coastline.Drugs are sold everywhere in Goa and in the least of places you will expect.The 'drug dealer' is not foolish to sell dope at a public venue like the festival where he is being watched.
Re: [Goanet] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL / GOAN AS A DRUNKARD IN BOLLYWOOD FILMS/HOW DO YOU LIKE IT WITH OR WITHOUT DRUGS.
Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dear Benedict and Jason, Yes, you guys have a good point if there are people who agree with you. How do you like the portrayal of a Goan in Bollywood films? Do we like the image of a “Drunkard” or ABC (Ayah, Butler or Cook)? Should we not respect the Freedom Fighters wishes? They may be right in asking what they want; the government has recognised their act of courage. Why did they sacrifice their lives to “Liberate” us from the shackles of Portuguese? Some of them fought behind bars for the sake of Goans to be free like doves. Yes, music and soro is a part of our fabric – not to be depicted in Bollywood films! If they are already abusing that then why encourage them. Mog sodanch assume Oscar C. Lobo Melbourne Australia.
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Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dear all, I would subscribe to Mr. Benedict Lobo's contention that it has become a trend to oppose anything and everything these days, so that the real issues affecting Goa are conveniently sidelined. In the case of the Festival being held in Goa on Candolim Beach, it's not the Fault of the organisers for holding such a Fest, but it's the old Supply and Demand ethos that is the driving force behind such Festivals be it Glastonbury, Woodstock, Leeds or wherever Music is appreciated for what it's worth !!. So One should not deny OUR Goan Music Lovers for this yearly Festive Season experience in Goa or as Mr Benedict Lobo so rightly puts it as This Cock and Bull story about drugs being sold at the Festival makes me laugh. Come on people , we have spent half our lives living on the Calangute-Candolim coastline.Drugs are sold everywhere in Goa and in the least of places you will expect.The 'drug dealer' is not foolish to sell dope at a public venue like the festival where he is being watched. For too long , we Goans have been Whistling in the Wind about the decline of Morality, Civility and Decency of Standards in in Goa due to tthe prevailing conditions and most undemocratic forms of Governance in Goa, For once in our lifetime, Ixttoghots or as in English, friends, what is needed to change our thinking is not the drip, drip of ways of opposing anything and everything to stop this ROT and downward slide of Goa going to the stray DOGS, of which there are plenty in Goa, but as Gandhi once said, we Must be the Change and to Change the things in Goa with a Zeal that the Great St Francis Xavier Left us. We should not do this by merely evangelising the Masses, but we should look into OUR own Hearts by making or bringing about an AWARENESS and complete RE-EDUCATION of our Peoples to Know Right from Wrong and to Elect in true Goan Faith those Politician who have the Integrity rather than Just Muscle Power or clad as WOLVES in Sheep's Clothing !! Only, if we do this then, will our road of HOPE in ourselves be restored to the Promised Land of Milk and Honey we have been yearning for so long, 50 yearsafter invasion be opened up for our TRUE Aspirations to See the Golden side of once Peaceful anni Amchem Goem, Viva Goa, Viva !!. Regards, Joe Rebello
Re: [Goanet] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL / GOAN AS A DRUNKARD IN BOLLYWOOD FILMS/HOW DO YOU LIKE IT WITH OR WITHOUT DRUGS/ GOA IS MADE OF HINDUS, CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS AND OF COURSE OF LATE JEWS T
Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hear, Hear! What about Lata Mungueshkar and other Hindu Goan singers, did they not do us proud? No one is against recognising talent – The point is: Do you want to be portrayed as a DRUNKARD community and is that ok, just because Anthony Gonsalves (Goan catholic) did us proud? What about Amar, Akbar and Anthony? Have you not heard of the slogan “Hindu Christao” bai, bai? Kesoloh Goenkar reh tum? I should copy this e-mail to Nascy of Australia. He should also teach us his term “non-safron’s” something about life and his paranoid view on Cows until they come to his home. I will leave the second last paragraph of your e-mail of today for others to comment. Mr. Bernado Colaco, please give us a lesson on Goa before 1961 and after 1961. Mog sodanch assum! Oscar C. Lobo. From: armando gonsalves Sent: Monday, 27 December 2010 6:12 PM To: Oscar Lobo Subject: RE: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL / GOAN AS A DRUNKARD IN BOLLYWOOD FILMS/HOW DO YOU LIKE IT WITH OR WITHOUT DRUGS. It is up to us to lead the way. Bollywood music was driven by Goans, anthony gonsalves is a clear case in point. and there are many others who have done us proud out there. It is sad that we do not recognize people of that talent, giants who have done so much for goan proide. Intead of being scared of Bollywood, let us honour our heroes, let us shout from the rooftops about what they have achieved, and let us do more for our own music. Let us be the Music Capital of the East where Bollywood and hollywood come to pay their respects. We are a very talented lot who are divided at various seams, the time to unite has come. the time to do great things in the name of our motherland is upon us. we are in the 50th year of our Liberation which has never been real. Now is the time to truly liberate ourselves from the yolk of 451 years of colonial oppression, and another 49 at the hands of our very own, making it a total of 500 years! So, let us celebrate the end of this tyranny by believing that we can be the best. Of course, coming to Sunburn, let it happen under the rule of law, let us not simply oppose it on flimsy grounds, and on grounds that our culture is being degraded. If our culture is of anything real, it can NEVER be obliterated. Armando Gonsalves Mansion, Heritage Jazz Street, Campal, Panjim, Goa 403001 Website: www.heritagejazz.com
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Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hi everyone, Greetings Compliments of the Season. Being on the Noise Pollution (citizen's) committee constituted by the High Court of Bombay at Goa, we have consistently opposed this festival. The reasons being many, but the main being that the entire residential areas surrounding the festival venue is held at ransom with heavy NOISE POLLUTION. The other reasons being: drugs freely circulated (a Bangalore girl fell dead on the last occasion from overdose). Poorly managed with policing missing; No clearance of garbage after the festival by the organizers, etc etc. This time over, the licensing authority has been shifted to the Home Ministry from the normal authority which is the Collector. This amply shows that money rules and as long as this angle is met, anything goes. The conscious citizens of Goa have no problem with music festivals as long as they are conducted in a well organized manner with the authority keeping an eye on what is happening. Rupees 10,000/- per ticket is something that is beyond the purse of music loving middle class Goans. Therefore, the question is: Who is it meant for? Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org
Re: [Goanet] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL / GOAN AS A DRUNKARD IN BOLLYWOOD FILMS/HOW DO YOU LIKE IT WITH OR WITHOUT DRUGS/ GOA IS MADE OF HINDUS, CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS AND OF COURSE OF LATE JEWS T
Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I never did say that lata did not do us proud..of course, she did us proud, very proud in fact. I do know that there is a tremendous diffference pre 1961 and post 1961. But it is oppression nevertheless! Armando Gonsalves Mansion, Heritage Jazz Street, Campal, Panjim, Goa 403001 Website: www.heritagejazz.com From: Oscar Lobo Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 1:08 PM Hear, Hear! What about Lata Mungueshkar and other Hindu Goan singers, did they not do us proud? No one is against recognising talent – The point is: Do you want to be portrayed as a DRUNKARD community and is that ok, just because Anthony Gonsalves (Goan catholic) did us proud? What about Amar, Akbar and Anthony? Have you not heard of the slogan “Hindu Christao” bai, bai?
Re: [Goanet] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL
Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dear Floriano all, On hindsight, I may have Jumped the Gun by endossing the Sunburn Festival on Candolim beach by my gone as the wind comments without as much as taking into the facts as Mr Floriano has laid out.below. Obviously, as an Oversaes Goenkar, I must admit my sheer ignorance to the fact that the Entrance Fee of Rupees 10,000/- or so may be beyond the reach of our local Goans. As he rightly puts it, it's more for the benefit of the Politicians in particular the Home Ministry and the eve-present Police Drugs Barons or Nexus as some of us call them. But seriously, who LISTENS to the Voice (s) of REASON in today's Goa ? You don't have to see/go beyond our Goan Noses to see that even our Activist and Crusading friend, Advocate Aires Rodrigues has a battle on his hands trying to persuade the Governor of Goa that he-is but a Public figure and not a Private person of ridicule as the Guv says he is! So I now REST my (basket) Case as the Voice of REASON is laterite stone-deaf in today's Raj Bhavan also!! Rest Assuredly, Joe Rebello
Re: [Goanet] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL
Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Floriano: Best wishes to you and your family, in this holy season of joy. About your message below, I think we are chasing the wrong bull. Here are my comments: 1. Noise pollution: Is it a regular feature – daily? Monthly? Or once in a blue moon? There are rules about noise etc in place in Goa, and it is up to the authorities concerned to ensure that while permissions are given, they are released with the condition that the program closes down by a certain fixed time. As is done with the many dances held at Carnival, Christmas and the New year in Goa. In this instance, as per the news article in the Times of India, the organisers have stated, and I quote: “We can promise that we won't break any laws whether it is the 10 pm deadline or in terms of licenses. We believe that we are adding to the Goan economy, from employment at the fest to filling up hotels and restaurants around the venue. 2.Drugs: In which era are you living mate? Drugs are available everywhere to those who seek it. There may be a few cases of unscrupulous dealers making an appearance at the festival as is the case anywhere crowds do gather. Do you know about drugs being sold during the feast of St Francis Xavier in Old Goa? Do you want to cancel that feast too, because drugs are sold in the fair? It is the responsibility of the Police to ensure that due policing is enforced. Are the organisers selling drugs? I don’t think so, however, if they are, then it is another story altogether. 3.Garbage clearance: Have the organisers been given permission with the condition that they are responsible to clear the garbage? Garbage is the responsibility of the local panchayats or municipality, and that responsibility cannot be just palmed off to the organisers, who will be paying requisite fees charged by the local authorities to put up the show. And those fees should be designed to cover these eventualities like garbage etc. This year there were reports of garbage strewn at Old Goa on the feast of St Francis Xavier. So will the church have to organise for garbage clearance in the future? If that is the stand that Goa Suraj is going to take, forget about the elections mate! You will get nowhere. 4. Cost of the ticket: The organisers know which is the audience they have targeted for their show, and have accordingly put up their tariff. If you cannot afford to pay Rs10,000.00, then don’t go. If nobody can afford to pay that amount, then this will be the last year this show is held. Your problem solved! Let us not just object to any and every thing. Some things may be good, some may not. Music is something good, and Goans do have music running through their veins. Let our Goans enjoy the show. Issues like the above are to be tackled with the authorities who fail Goans and not the organisers of the show who are promoting something good. [I believe music is good]. Have you forgotten the good old days when young and old thronged to Calangute beach for the Simla Beat Contests? This is similar, albeit on a different level altogether. I would conclude saying that just because your government has failed you, do not penalise Goans and the organisers who are trying to put up a good show. Instead of problems, come up with solutions! Salus Correia
Re: [Goanet] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL
Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Nice one, Floriano! Regards Oscar From: floriano Hi everyone, Greetings Compliments of the Season. Being on the Noise Pollution (citizen's) committee constituted by the High Court of Bombay at Goa, we have consistently opposed this festival. The reasons being many, but the main being that the entire residential areas surrounding the festival venue is held at ransom with heavy NOISE POLLUTION. The other reasons being: drugs freely circulated (a Bangalore girl fell dead on the last occasion from overdose). Poorly managed with policing missing; No clearance of garbage after the festival by the organizers, etc etc. This time over, the licensing authority has been shifted to the Home Ministry from the normal authority which is the Collector. This amply shows that money rules and as long as this angle is met, anything goes. The conscious citizens of Goa have no problem with music festivals as long as they are conducted in a well organized manner with the authority keeping an eye on what is happening. Rupees 10,000/- per ticket is something that is beyond the purse of music loving middle class Goans. Therefore, the question is: Who is it meant for? Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org
Re: [Goanet] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL
Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hail to Goa Suraj for bringing more information. Oscar bab enka anik kitem sanghia. Ao menos um pediu desculpa. Espero que o amigo Armandinho tambem abre os olhos. These concerts are not like the Jazz that you organize talvez com um copo do tinto in hand. Out of the 10,000 a part will go the police network and probably to Sonia raj via our puppets. JKF nao tem upaih. Preciso da voltar para Bairro Alto, Lisboa. Regards BC Dear Floriano all, On hindsight, I may have Jumped the Gun by endossing the Sunburn Festival on Candolim beach by my gone as the wind comments without as much as taking into the facts as Mr Floriano has laid out.below. Obviously, as an Oversaes Goenkar, I must admit my sheer ignorance to the fact that the Entrance Fee of Rupees 10,000/- or so may be beyond the reach of our local Goans. As he rightly puts it, it's more for the benefit of the Politicians in particular the Home Ministry and the eve-present Police Drugs Barons or Nexus as some of us call them. But seriously, who LISTENS to the Voice (s) of REASON in today's Goa ? You don't have to see/go beyond our Goan Noses to see that even our Activist and Crusading friend, Advocate Aires Rodrigues has a battle on his hands trying to persuade the Governor of Goa that he-is but a Public figure and not a Private person of ridicule as the Guv says he is! So I now REST my (basket) Case as the Voice of REASON is laterite stone-deaf in today's Raj Bhavan also!! Rest Assuredly, Joe Rebello
Re: [Goanet] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL
Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Salus you have hit it straight on. Please note the ticket prices are not Rs 1 as stated but from Rs 4000 to Rs5000 ,Since its an open venue , anybody and everybody can enjoy the music FREE of cost without getting close to the stage. About noise pollution , I think the Candolim locals (My family stays within 500mt from the venue) should be the the first to complain , who are making a good buck from their stalls and shacks and not forgetting the rent on rooms let out for festival guests during this period.Dont you think the loudspeakers of election rallies make more louder and irritating noise?. Why go to SFX feast, it is a known fact (after videos released of dealers on Youtube) that drugs are sold at the police station too. Salus has rightly said and I quote 'because your government has failed you, do not penalise Goans and the organisers who are trying to put up a good show.' Mog Asundi until we find another issue for tommorow. Benedict 2010/12/27 Salus Correia Floriano: Best wishes to you and your family, in this holy season of joy. About your message below, I think we are chasing the wrong bull. Here are my comments: 4. Cost of the ticket: The organisers know which is the audience they have targeted for their show, and have accordingly put up their tariff. If you cannot afford to pay Rs10,000.00, then don’t go. If nobody can afford to pay that amount, then this will be the last year this show is held. Your problem solved!
Re: [Goanet] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL
Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Compliments of the SEASON to you, Dear Salus. I see that you are peeked by my post on the SUNBURN Festival at Candolim Beach. The High Court of Bombay at Goa, with its concerns for the lay citizens being disturbed by loud music noise pollution has seen it fit to include those people on the committee who have been wanting governments and its agencies to implement the laws, rules and regulations in force on a consistent basis with track records. And there are people like myself who would not bother a wee bit if not elected (party) but will want the governments in place to do their jobs. Laws, rules and regulations are put in place because people like myself see, through their qualified objections, that these are put in place. Every one is equal in the eyes of the law. The ideal thing that will happen if the laws of the land are implemented to the crossing of the 'Ts' and dotting of the 'Is' is that those who want to enjoy, make money, be prosperous will enjoy, make money and be prosperous but those who don't, their rights to be left alone in peace will be guaranteed. When this becomes one sided, the other side protests, agitates and demands that their rights be given to them. And this erases most of the lethargies in the implementation of the Laws rules and regulations in existence, and also helps in formulating news Laws etc. meaning that the chairs of the persons sitting in commanding positions are shaken. For your benefit, I shall sign off with these examples where I have been anti-loud music noise pollution (not anti-music ) for the past 30 odd years and still fighting to remain sane where LMNP is concerned. Also, I am an environmental lover generally called the environmentalist. As you must know Pollution (of any sort) eats up one's innards and makes one sick. Example One: Police Inspector (Mapusa circa 'late 80s)- Mr. Mangaldas Desai. .. PI Floriano Lobo - Anti-Loud Music Noise Pollution ... FL FL: Enter Mapusa PS with a written complaint of Funnel type Loud speakers blasting his vicinity to kingdom come. PI: Mr. Lobo, I see that you are the only one person in Moira who gets disturbed. There is no complaint from any other person on record. FL: Do you know who wrote the Indian Constitution??? ... Dr. Ambedkar. Right? You will be surprised to know that when he wrote that constitution, he had only Floriano Lobo in mind He wrote it for me so that I get my rights. He also put you on the other side of this desk to protect my rights. PI: Black in the face.. silent. FL: Floriano Lobo does not need one hundred people lining behind him to ask for those rights So please get up from that chair, sit in your jeep ... go and arrest this violator of all laws, rules and regulations which you are sitting on. Or you may arrest me because I am going to continue to sit here until you decide either way. Mangaldas got up, sat in his jeep and made the first arrest (in this connection). This violator was the Shiv Sena's promukh. Note: The world will be a happy place to live if all laws, rules and regulations are observed/implemented where everyone will be free to do what they want to do. Example Two: In my Synopsis of a Writ Petition [236 of 2007] I filed in the HC against 3 hotels in Baga/Calangute Beach [ Calypso/Fahrenheit/Strela do Mar] for gross CRZ violations, which petition is revived and ongoing as WP 580 of 2009 for non compliance of the HC orders by Goa Coastal Zone Management Authority GCZMA, I told the Justices of the High Court to see that the laws rules and regulations are implemented to the fullest extent or scrap every thing so that people may do what they want thereby bringing-in utter lawlessness. This, I said, will make every one happy or there will spring new laws and regulations to curb the lawlessness. Important, I said, is for the people to decide whether they want to be on the side of the lawlessness or of the law. The HC disposed off the Petition with certain orders whereby, Calypso's 4 or more luxury bungalows right on the beach ( old fishermen's houses expanded and rebuilt) were demolished with a loss of almost 4 crores of rupees. When the top management of Calypso contacted me over the phone, pleading for help... since I was the only petitioner and the petition disposed... if I could keep quiet all would be fine... I told the person that my price was too high and that he will not be able to match it. He laughed. Yes, I said , I shall help you. Give a press conference. Tell the press how much you have paid to the Tourism minister, to the MLA ( Agnelo Fernandes), to the Sarpanch ( Joseph Sequeira),
Re: [Goanet] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL
Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hi Marion, Thank you for informing on this drug laced event and writing to the organiser against having it in Goa. Every Goan effort will go a long way to save of what is left of our land. Unfortunately some of us have taken over the extinct dodos. We find it difficult to fathom what is happening to Goa in front of our eyes. We have to be constantly prompted. Your message is an other wake up call. Regards BC Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL Wake up !! This is our Festive Season and all is quiet - where are you all? By they way The Goan Voice has an article on the Sunburn Fest which very neatly takes you to comment on it and neatly into twitter where you can have access to Bollywood stars. Sharuk Khan has already I believe made his way to Goa for the festival. Now here is your opportunity to feedback on the damages being caused to Goa and for Bollywood to fund the restoration. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/music/music-events/Sunburn-fest-in-Goa/articleshow/7155367.cms Please do not lose this opportunity to have your say. I have already asked Mr Singh (the organiser of the Fest) to take the Fest to the Punjab. lots of love and hugs Marion Pereira
Re: [Goanet] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL
Goanetters annual year-end meet is on Dec 27, 2010 (Monday) from 4-6 pm at Institute Piedade (near Hotel Mandovi, opp Bread More) in Panjim. Do come along. RSVP via SMS 9822122436, f...@goa-india.org or 2409490 (after 2 pm). * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Whats wrong with having a Music Festival ? Is it become a trend to oppose anything and everything these days ,so that the real issues affecting Goa are sidelined. This Cock and Bull story about drugs being sold at the festival makes me laugh.Come on people , we have spent half our lives living on the Calangute-Candolim coastline.Drugs are sold everywhere in Goa and in the least of places you will expect.The 'drug dealer' is not foolish to sell dope at a public venue like the festival where he is being watched. Music is an ingredient part of Goan lifestyle and runs deep in their blood.Goa can be a music Capital of the Country and should be promoted to be one.We are lucky to have so many international artists playing in Goa today, thanks to these festivals and thousands of national and international tourists who come at this time , adding to our economy.If we take away all this, the tourists will not have much to do in Goa.No doubt , the tourist numbers have fallen this year and most of these are moving towards South East Asia.Even the Middle East countries like UAE has started having international Music festivals and concerts by international artists to attract tourists here.I know many Goans and a lot Indians who fly all the way here just to attend a concert by Bryan Adams, Santana ect. Alas for those that never sing,But die with all their music in them! ~Oliver Wendell Holmes So let there be Music !! Cheers Benedict 2010/12/26 Marion Pereira mcpereir...@yahoo.co.uk Wake up !! This is our Festive Season and all is quiet - where are you all? By they way The Goan Voice has an article on the Sunburn Fest which very neatly takes you to comment on it and neatly into twitter where you can have access to Bollywood stars. Sharuk Khan has already I believe made his way to Goa for the festival. Now here is your opportunity to feedback on the damages being caused to Goa and for Bollywood to fund the restoration. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/music/music-events/Sunburn-fest-in-Goa/articleshow/7155367.cms Please do not lose this opportunity to have your say. I have already asked Mr Singh (the organiser of the Fest) to take the Fest to the Punjab. lots of love and hugs Marion Pereira
[Goanet] MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE AND ALL.
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