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‘Balwa aide paid Cong leader’s son 4.5cr’ http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Balwa-aide-paid-Cong-leaders-son-45cr/articleshow/7796622.cms Hindutva leak puts Jaitley in a spot http://www.telegraphindia.com/1110327/jsp/nation/story_13771774.jsp
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Dear Hartman de Souza, You post was most intersesting. From a design and aesthetic(as in a lived aesthetic) perspective to build a house -- say even in an abandoned or spent mine requires vision. The only vision these freaks have is to eat where they defecate. One often thinks, with all that wealth that they would have some ideas. venantius Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:52:44 +0530 From: "Hartman de Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Fwd: Take a look... "He is within his rights to build his mansion there," the man said, "but it would be better for his public image if he built his mansion in one of his mines!"
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George Pinto wrote: > > What I see in the video are a number of blatant > land use violations, including building close to > the water's edge. Ironically, Mallya's land use > violations are close to Salgaonkar's River Princess > ecocological disaster. > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rajan P. Parrikar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For Mallya's blatant disregard for the CRZ, see - > http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/candolim-1.jpg > http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/candolim-2.jpg > And with all the erosion, the Candolim beach is a goner. > Mario asks: > Perhaps I'm missing something, but does the Mallya property being blatantly within the 500 meter mark have anything to do with the blatant erosion of Candolim Beach by the Arabian Sea? > It would seem to this blatantly unbiased observer that part of his property has been blatantly placed in jeopardy because of the blatantly natural beach erosion taking place. > Wasn't Remo recently blatantly blaming climate change for all this blatant beach erosion?:-)) > Anyway, blatantly declaring Candolim Beach a "goner" may also be blatantly premature because modern technology blatantly enables blatantly eroding beaches to be blatantly re-constituted as well. After all, Mallya did not blatantly swallow all that sand - it is still blatantly out there under water level, blatantly eroded by the rip tides, and can be blatantly pumped back out with the right equipment. > I would also like to know how Mallya got permission to blatantly build within the zone - whether by blatantly paying a commission or special use tax [:-))] to the local authorities to blatantly obtain a variance, or whether the property was blatantly grandfathered in some way. > Without some more credible evidence of blatant chicanery, I am not prepared to accuse Mallya, who has blatantly created tens of thousands of well paying jobs for Indians of blatant legal violations as our Marxist friends seem keen on doing, who seem to blatantly resent anyone blatantly getting rich by blatantly creating jobs in India:-)) >
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So the only thing that you can legitimately claim to have in common with Rajan from what you have written above is that you are from Goa, by which I assume you mean, both of you were born in Goa. > Cheers,> > Santosh Santosh-babooo, What about their gender commonality? Or, does your privileged knowledge advise you it dangles other wise, in one or the other? Chach, of the enquiring vein... _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:17:09 -0700 (PDT) From: George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What I see in the video are a number of blatant land use violations, including building close to the water's edge. Ironically, Mallya's land use violations are close to Salgaonkar's River Princess ecocological disaster. This is capitalism's illegal and ugly face. What is needed are capitalists who obey the law and don't destroy the environment (they are hard to find, especially in Goa). > Mario observes: > Hey, George, > Mallya's capitalism has created tens of thousands of well paying jobs in India, many for Marxists who would starve otherwise, as well as massive tax revenues in a country where tax cheating is rampant, for hard working socialists to squander:-)) > I was sorry to see you revert to Marxist form, after uncharacteristically straying from your Marxist path in your following post: > http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-August/078720.html > If your reaction was not what I would call knee-jerk, you would realize that, if Mallya has violated any land use laws when building a private palace this has as much to do with capitalism as one of your Marxist friends building an illegal jhopdi on the footpath has to do with Marxism. > I'm not sure what violations of land use laws you noticed in the video, but I would encourage you to talk to the local Sarpanch and demand that they be reversed:-)) > All I could see was an opulent modern palace, befitting a successful Indian capitalist. > Perhaps you will learn that no land use laws were violated due to the specifics of the situation. I have friends who bought old properties close to the water's edge in Candolim that were grandfathered from the newer laws and have developed these into lucrative rental properties. Perhaps Mallya did the same. Aren't the Taj properties in Sinquerim close to the water's edge as well? > Hey, I have an idea. Why not ask him to a) remove the wreck of the Salgaocar River Princess, which he probably would have done already if it spoiled his view, and b) fund Goa Sudharop. His pocket change should keep the operation functioning for several years, and really put his capitalism to use. That would be far more productive than just being bitter about his success. > Just like Lovino Rebello in Anjuna, make wonderful lemonade instead of sucking lemons:-)) > That's the capitalist way:-)) >
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To Goanet - George Pinto wrote: >What I see in the video are a number of blatant land use >violations, including building close to the water's edge. >Ironically, Mallya's land use violations are close to >Salgaonkar's River Princess ecocological disaster. For Mallya's blatant disregard for the CRZ, see - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/candolim-1.jpg http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/candolim-2.jpg And with all the erosion, the Candolim beach is a goner. Regards, r
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--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Arwin Mesquita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good; now how can you contribute in ACTION to what you > support. > Arwin, Here is how I already contribute: 1. By not taking or offering bribes 2. By obeying the law 3. By taking out my trash and dumping it in a designated garbage dump 4. By cleaning up after me 5. By not buying a flat in a building built on agricultural or converted land 6. By not constructing a tall building on land meant for small homes 7. By contributing to organizations that preserve the natural environment and our Indian historical and cultural heritage 8. By speaking and writing in the Indian language Konknni 9. By contributing to Indian cultural/educational organizations and causes 10. By participating in forums pertaining to my place of birth and schooling in India 11. By not blaming non-Goan Indians for Goa's problems 12. By dowsing the flames of xenophobic madness 13. By exposing the casteist and divisive basis of the bogus issue of unique Goan identity 14. By disseminating factual information on scientific and health-related issues -- On Mon, 8/18/08, Arwin Mesquita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Rajan and Myself are from Goa whose identity is shaped from the hisorical >>facts which I am sure your are aware and Konkani is our mother tongue; >>simple least you start complicating it!! > Rajan's historical facts are not the same as yours. Rajan is a Hindu. You appear to be a Catholic, unless you have now converted to Hinduism, and kept your Catholic name. His ancestors were not converted. Yours most likely were, unless you descended directly from Portuguese or Spanish Catholics. If your ancestors were converted, it is uncertain (unless you know otherwise) which religion they belonged to before conversion. Rajan claims that his caste is that of a bamonn, and that he loves this caste business. What is your caste? Do you want to preserve your casteist identity? It is very easy to list 10 other differences between you and Rajan, in terms of food, music, history, culture and vocation. Even the Konknni you speak is most likely not the same as that of Rajan. So the only thing that you can legitimately claim to have in common with Rajan from what you have written above is that you are from Goa, by which I assume you mean, both of you were born in Goa. If that is your residual definition of unique Goan identity then you should have nothing against Kartar Singh Parmar who was born in Goa 25 years ago and speaks Konknni like Rajan. Cheers, Santosh
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--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Roland Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Since you have so easily written off Rajan's tremendous > work in Goa, travelling around the length and breadth of it, recording > for posterity, submitting PILs in Goa courts, meeting > politicians and haranguing civic officials to do their duty, while you >hold > up a tawdry internet Goldman Sachs report as a counter against it, I >would > take Rajan's anger any day if the alternative was your > usual "scientific facts". > I would like to kindly request Roland not to put words in my mouth. I have consistently acknowledged the positive aspects of Rajan's work as it applies to Goa. I only submit that this work does not attest to Rajan's superior knowledge about global economics compared to Goldman Sachs analysts and consultants. It does not qualify or empower him to pass judgment on India as a nation. Regarding the Goldman Sachs report, it is disheartening to see a man of Indian ancestry find an optimistic assessment of India tawdry. No wonder he finds nothing tawdry about Rajan's calling India a third rate country, Indians ghantis and Indian IT professionals like Samir cybercoolies. Cheers, Santosh
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On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 3:10 AM, Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Quote Does an angry Rajan know as much about global economics by taking pictures of Goa as a bitter man about organizing a convention that he has not attended? Please pass on this wisdom to Goldman Sachs before they put more money where their mouth is. Perhaps, they can send some sensitive guy with a camera to take more pictures of Goa for a few months and then return to sit on his desk in U.S.A. Unquote Yes, yes, yes Santosh. Other people are angry and other people are bitter while you remain an icon of logic, good balance and propriety. I submit to you that your faith in Goldman Sachs is "touching" as Rajan Parrikar so aptly put it. At the risk of raining on your Goldman parade, I would urge you to read http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/17925.html Also just add the word "bankrupt" to Goldman Sachs and you will get much enlightened information. Since you have so easily written off Rajan's tremendous work in Goa, travelling around the length and breadth of it, recording for posterity, submitting PILs in Goa courts, meeting politicians and haranguing civic officials to do their duty, while you hold up a tawdry internet Goldman Sachs report as a counter against it, I would take Rajan's anger any day if the alternative was your usual "scientific facts". Roland.
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>Santosh, >Ref statement "identities of insiders and outsiders" ; Given your high >"scientific knowlege"; don't you from the comfort of sitting in the USA; >see >any problems to Goa with a high uncontrolled migrants influx. >Arwin Consider --- why do migrants come to Goa ? To make a living. 1) Aren't Goans buying from migrant vendors in the market? I am sure they do, or else how would migrant vendors survive? Migrants fight in the market economy, probably give lesser rates and/or better service than Goans, and hence survive. What does our govt. do to help Goans? Migrants surely fight in a level playing field --- they probably have more exposure than Goans in how to win in a market. Goan consumers benefit because they may get better goods at cheaper rates due to this. 2) Migrants do the bulk of the construction work. Due to this, the construction industry benefits. Bottom line migrants are no different than you and me who have migrated to Bangalore or some place abroad in search of work. It is big time hypocricy to say no to one while yes to another. Surely, what we could ask of the govt. is a level-playing field for Goans and a controlled influx of migrants. But then, when our politicians themselves have sold to the highest bidder, how do we solve the problem? Is it too difficult to see that it is the greed of our construction industry and that of the politicians and the people who elect them (that is us) for short-term gains, the root cause of the problem? Passing the buck to the migrants is just xenophobia and inability to see the reality and the cause of the problem. regards, Samir
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Frederick, What I see in the video are a number of blatant land use violations, including building close to the water's edge. Ironically, Mallya's land use violations are close to Salgaonkar's River Princess ecocological disaster. This is capitalism's illegal and ugly face. What is needed are capitalists who obey the law and don't destroy the environment (they are hard to find, especially in Goa). Regards, George
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--- On Sun, 8/17/08, Roland Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Here's some news for you. Angry or not, one Rajan on Goa's ground is worth >a >thousand Santoshes looking at outdated Goldman Sachs reports while >sitting in >the USA. > Does an angry Rajan know as much about global economics by taking pictures of Goa as a bitter man about organizing a convention that he has not attended? Please pass on this wisdom to Goldman Sachs before they put more money where their mouth is. Perhaps, they can send some sensitive guy with a camera to take more pictures of Goa for a few months and then return to sit on his desk in U.S.A. Cheers, Santosh
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Santosh wrote: Leaving the anger management issue aside, it is really amazing that Rajan knows so much about so many things in which he has never been interrogated by a committee of experts - zooming his camera in and out on the identities of insiders and outsiders, etc. And all this without reading, looking at graphs and tables or doing a single google search. Dear Santosh, >From the above paragraph, it looks like you are expecting readers to think along the lines of: A) "I have been interrogated by a panel of experts while Rajan has not". B) Reading and looking at graphs and tables is much better than zooming cameras on real life, recording scenes and events as they unfold. Here's some news for you. Angry or not, one Rajan on Goa's ground is worth a thousand Santoshes looking at outdated Goldman Sachs reports while sitting in the USA. Unimpressed by Goldman Sachs, Roland.
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--- On Sat, 8/16/08, Arwin Mesquita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ref statement "identities of insiders and > outsiders" ; Given your high > "scientific knowlege"; don't you from the > comfort of sitting in the USA; see > any problems to Goa with a high uncontrolled migrants > influx. > Arwin, I have already said many times that the problems of overcrowding, squalor, misuse of land and destruction of the natural environment, for which migrants are blamed and spurious issues such as the mythical unique Goan identity are raised, can be addressed by enforcing the laws, and practicing honesty and good civic sense. Now can you please tell me what the similarities between your and Rajan's many identities are? Cheers, Santosh
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--- On Fri, 8/15/08, Rajan P. Parrikar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have a prediction for 1000 years from now - I > shall give you a 20% discount if you are interested. > Looks like you are easily impressed with Powerpoint > charts, graphs and tables. The least you could > have done is peddle the latest piddle from > Goldman Sachs instead of the one taken in 2003. > Here - > > http://tinyurl.com/6x6dys > Leaving the anger management issue aside, it is really amazing that Rajan knows so much about so many things in which he has never been interrogated by a committee of experts - making 1000 year economics predictions, judging the expertise of investment banking consultants, zooming his camera in and out on the identities of insiders and outsiders, etc. And all this without reading, looking at graphs and tables or doing a single google search. He can even get links to internet articles like the ones he has provided above and below without using a search engine. Cheers, Santosh --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Rajan P. Parrikar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What did you do, frantically search Google and > shovel the first link that came up? Your trust > in the consultants at Goldman Sachs to predict > our economic future 5 decades from now is touching. >.. > A critique by economist Atanu Dey (Atanu > works in India, has considerable field experience > there. i.e. he doesn't simply blow hot air from > distant places like Houston on things he knows > nothin' about) - > >http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/06/22/goldman-sachs-10-point-reform-package-for-india/ >
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Aye, that was a scene out of Hati Meri Saati or wot? The interviewer never asked what ole Mallyie had for breakfast? Or perhaps one of his security detail is hiding in his shirt! Wow, Candolim must be a dangerous place..to go out with security like that...sheee mn! Maaso raao re..my young heart is going chak-chaak, chak-chaak.I thought the gushing interviewer was the centre of display..aye baagwan, the way she swayed, I was on the edge of my antique baank waiting for some body-parts to fly off my little screen? Can you imagine what would happen if she came visiting my pad at the north-side Bina beech? Open air kitchen, then the bed-room-cum-living room-cum-dining room-cum-salon? Ofcourse, being Bain, the clothing-optional and she wouldn't have to take those tik-tok-tik-tok mooche off! On the other hand, she may have been better off with just the shoes don't you agree? Pardon me, my kaashti came loose.it must be the buzzing helicopter. . My Uudpi-side relative, the late Vit-tal would roll in his abode if he had an inkling to this casa..he built his wealth without owning an office can you imagine.nice move for an accountant no? (Vittale-pronounced avec le drag en francais is the late paai of the mootelo in the clip). Say Irmao Fred, there arn't many coconut trees growing on the property ya? Or else we could parachute in for an over-night ra*d; with the price of coconuts these days! Lastly, you'd be mortified to know ole Mallyie speaks Concani, and very fluently (and no, not only to his aides and staff but socially)! On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > r, et al, see this... > Quite an obscene display of ostentiousness (aka "providing employment"): >
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To Goanet - Santosh Helekar wrote: >>This biased emotional utterance is countered by the informed >>analysis of Goldman Sachs. Please see: >> >>http://www2.goldmansachs.com/ideas/brics/book/99-dreaming.pdf What did you do, frantically search Google and shovel the first link that came up? Your trust in the consultants at Goldman Sachs to predict our economic future 5 decades from now is touching. I have a prediction for 1000 years from now - I shall give you a 20% discount if you are interested. Looks like you are easily impressed with Powerpoint charts, graphs and tables. The least you could have done is peddle the latest piddle from Goldman Sachs instead of the one taken in 2003. Here - http://tinyurl.com/6x6dys I remember this silly report setting off gung ho Indians craving for the least bit of crumb thrown at them. It was all the rage earlier this year in June with chain junk emails crisscrossing the globe and clogging our mailboxes. A critique by economist Atanu Dey (Atanu works in India, has considerable field experience there. i.e. he doesn't simply blow hot air from distant places like Houston on things he knows nothin' about) - http://www.deeshaa.org/2008/06/22/goldman-sachs-10-point-reform-package-for-india/ Regards, r
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Frederick [FN] Noronha wrote: >r, et al, see this... >Quite an obscene display of ostentiousness... > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:19:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rajan P. Parrikar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What to do? The man desperately wants to be seen as India's Trump or Branson. Like 99% of urban Indians, he aspires to be like some white guy. > Mario observes: > I would expect this from Fred or Vidhyadhar, but Rajan? > Are we into mind-reading now - that we presume to know whom Mallya "desperately" wants to be seen as? > What to do? I'll tell you what to do. Be happy for his success and his stellar business achievements. Be happy for all the well paying jobs he creates for others. > Oh, we can sneer at Vijay Mallya's ostentatiousness, but is this unusual in India or among Indians? > Is this really being like a white guy? Which white guy could compete with the palaces of our Maharajahs of old? > Anyone hear of the planned Ambani billion dollar multi-storied mansion in South Mumbai? Or Lakshmi Mittal's $68 million wedding in Paris for his daughter, or his $237 million mansion in London? The last time I checked, these were not white guys. > In the context of India, Mallya IS akin to Trump and Branson, both flamboyant successful businessmen. He IS a modern maharajah, but by personal achievement, like Trump and Branson, not just birthright like the maharajahs. Why aren't we happy with his success and the thousands of well-paying jobs his businesses have created? > Rajan wrote: > As for me, I will be happy if in the next 50 years, India could first give us clean toilets and provide for the essentials of life for its impoverished millions. This "superpower" utterance is yet another feel-good cockamamie toffee regurgitated by Indians living in la-la land. > Mario observes: > While this is absolutely true, India is a lot better off than what it was like before Shri Manmohan Singh rode to the rescue. > Today we have public toilets that we can hydrate on the OUTSIDE:-)) Never had those in the bad old says. God only knows what the women do:-)) Perhaps Jane or Ana Maria can tell us:-)) > Besides, Rajan, I don't know about you youngsters, but I don't have 50 more years:-)) >
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--- On Fri, 8/15/08, Rajan P. Parrikar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let me also dispose of another matter - this > jejune claim about India becoming a "superpower." > Are the software supercoolies going to turn > us into one? Ha ha ha. > This biased emotional utterance is countered by the informed analysis of Goldman Sachs. Please see: http://www2.goldmansachs.com/ideas/brics/book/99-dreaming.pdf Cheers, Santosh
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To Goanet - Frederick [FN] Noronha wrote: >r, et al, see this... >Quite an obscene display of ostentiousness... What to do? The man desperately wants to be seen as India's Trump or Branson. Like 99% of urban Indians, he aspires to be like some white guy. Let me also dispose of another matter - this jejune claim about India becoming a "superpower." Are the software supercoolies going to turn us into one? Ha ha ha. As for me, I will be happy if in the next 50 years, India could first give us clean toilets and provide for the essentials of life for its impoverished millions. This "superpower" utterance is yet another feel-good cockamamie toffee regurgitated by Indians living in la-la land. Warm regards, r
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r, et al, see this... Quite an obscene display of ostentiousness (aka "providing employment"): Billionaire ! Life style in Goa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQaCEjAvc0U
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