Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil
Arre Pandu Lampiao? Where are you? Has your lampiao gone dim as there is not a single squeak - er ray of wisdom from your lamp for many a day. Have you charged the lamp with oil? The good book tells of the five wise virgins and the five foolish virgins. The foolish virgins let their lamps go out because they did not keep their lamps full of oil. They used olive oil those days and being virgins, it naturally had to be virgin too. The foolish virgins were banished into the outer darkness where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth. Let not the same fate befall you. However, you should not worry too much about the olive oil part of it. Being the Goenkar that you are, just use extra virgin coconut oil. In case you are running short, Fulo Mam from Moira will certainly oblige. Take care and keep your wick trimmed, Mogan tujo vixwashi, Tony -- \\\ = \\-00 Tony de Sa C u tonyd...@gmail.com \ ~/ M : +91 9975 162 897 --|| Ph. : +91 832 2470 148 = / | ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com Fr. Ivo wrote: Homeopaths are not giving you statistics of the cures that they have achieved so far. They go on curing people without any fuss... Even people who are gullible enough to believe that plain sugar pills can cure serious diseases should find it hard to swallow the applesauce that homeopaths are hiding statistical evidence for their cures out of modesty. ***Homeopaths will cure people, but they will not publish their statistics, but their case-histories. Drugs will differ from patient to patient. If plain sugar pills can cure serious diseases, homeopathy is to be commended, since neither 'allopathy', nor homeopathy are a panacea for all evils... Regards. Fr.Ivo
Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil
Fr. Ivo wrote: Homeopaths are not giving you statistics of the cures that they have achieved so far. They go on curing people without any fuss... Even people who are gullible enough to believe that plain sugar pills can cure serious diseases should find it hard to swallow the applesauce that homeopaths are hiding statistical evidence for their cures out of modesty. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil
From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:41:35 -0800 From: Ivo da C.Souza icso...@bsnl.in Statistics will not give us accurately the data. Mario observes: Of course not. For accurate data we need to consult a homoeopathist or Fr. Ivo:-)) ***Homeopaths are not giving you statistics of the cures that they have achieved so far. They go on curing people without any fuss... Statistics given by medical scientists are to be correctly interpreted, not only mentioned. Regards. Fr.Ivo
Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil
Photos from Goa's 2009 mando festival: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622843319441/ Event on Wed, Thurs evening from 5 pm onwards, Kala Academy, Panaji-Goa Fr. Ivo wrote: People die at any age. In our families there have been people who lived for long years (80 or more). But even today there are people who die young. Statistics will not give us accurately the data. In addition to scientific illiteracy, we are faced with the problem of innumeracy, a term that was coined by one of my favorite Scientific American columnists, Douglas Hofstadter, and popularized by the eminent mathematician John Allen Poulos. Innumeracy is a form of mathematical illiteracy - a failure to grasp even simple mathematical and statistical facts, as well as the significance of hard numbers staring at one's face. You might ask: How can someone not believe in the accuracy of the fact that the life expectancy in India has risen to 70 years from a unchanging low of 25 years before 1920, a time when all we could rely on, was unscientific rituals like homeopathy and ayurveda, and prescientific quack medicine? The answer is simple. The people who do so do not really care about genuine accuracy and objective facts. They simply go by their emotions, subjective feelings, preconceived ideologies and religious beliefs. In short, the world they live in is a make-believe world that transcends physical reality. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil
Photos from Goa's 2009 mando festival: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622843319441/ Event on Wed, Thurs evening from 5 pm onwards, Kala Academy, Panaji-Goa Ivo da C.Souza icso...@bsnl.in : Statistics will not give us accurately the data. RESPONSE: I agree with Fr Ivo. Statistics will not give us accurately the data. But good data will give us accurate statistics. A cow will not give us a glass of human milk But a human could give us a glass of cow's milk. Fr. Ivo, would you please restrict you public statements to your specialty i.e. religion ? jc
Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil
Photos from Goa's 2009 mando festival: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622843319441/ Event on Wed, Thurs evening from 5 pm onwards, Kala Academy, Panaji-Goa From: Nascy Caldeira nascy...@yahoo.com.au Thanks Santosh, For putting sense into the likes of Floriano and Fred, on this topic. I cannot believe that these two eminent goanet persons are that gullible to hearsay on the internet. I hope this is a fitting and final 'lesson' to ignorance re this topic. OR are Floriano and Fred just jesting, joking, and trying to compete with others who were with like views on ayurveda and homeopathy non sense? Nascy Caldeira Melbourne Down Under. ***People die at any age. In our families there have been people who lived for long years (80 or more). But even today there are people who die young. Statistics will not give us accurately the data. True, medicine has advanced today by leaps and bounds. Yet there are limitations and other risk factors. People die young. Old people who have preserved themselves well can live for long (90 and more), not because of modern medicine, but because of self-care. Modern medicine helps, as well as homeopathy and other medical systems, and careful diet, prayer and peaceful environment. No one knows about the future. Regards. Fr.Ivo -- Santosh: There is no such puzzle... In the old days that Floriano remembers people used to die before the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long enough to die from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the lucky ones who lived to see 40 or 45, not having caught the infections. The few who lived much longer were in addition naturally selected by their genes. ...the expectancy of a human being in India was 25 years. This was during the heyday of all kinds of faith-based nostrums - Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home remedies of housewives and grandmothers...
Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil
Photos from Goa's 2009 mando festival: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622843319441/ Event on Wed, Thurs evening from 5 pm onwards, Kala Academy, Panaji-Goa Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:41:35 -0800 From: Ivo da C.Souza icso...@bsnl.in Statistics will not give us accurately the data. Mario observes: Of course not. For accurate data we need to consult a homoeopathist or Fr. Ivo:-))
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Photos from the 43rd Mando Festival, Dec 9-10, 2009 at the Kala Academy (5 pm onwards) http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622843319441/ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Thanks Santosh, For putting sense into the likes of Floriano and Fred, on this topic. I cannot believe that these two eminent goanet persons are that gullible to hearsay on the internet. I hope this is a fitting and final 'lesson' to ignorance re this topic etc. OR are Floriano and Fred just jesting, joking, and trying to compete with others who were with like views on ayurveda and homeopathy non sense?? Cheers! Nascy Caldeira Melbourne Down Under. -- --- On Sun, 6/12/09, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Fri, 12/4/09, floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com wrote: But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then,all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me please?? -- Santosh: There is no such puzzle. The manufactured puzzle results from ignorance about the history of medicine and the state of public health in Goa and the rest of the world. In the old days that Floriano remembers people used to die before the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long enough to die from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the lucky ones who lived to see 40 or 45, not having caught the infections. The few who lived much longer were in addition naturally selected by their genes. Hundred years ago the life expectancy of a human being in India was 25 years. This was during the heyday of all kinds of faith-based nostrums - Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home remedies of housewives and grandmothers. In 1947 when Indians were finally able to die free, they could only expect to live for 36 years. In 1961 when Portugal was liberated from the burden of Goa, a naturalized first-class Indian citizen in Goa was lucky if he/she could survive beyond 42 years of age, still not long enough for Floriano to see significant number of people dying from heart attacks. Today, any toddler in India can hope to live on an average for 70 years, long enough to have a good chance of being a cancer or stroke victim and survivor. Santosh __ See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/
Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Dear Merv, Thanks but no thanks. I decided against settling down in Canada or anywhere else a long time ago after having visited most of the countries in the world as a shippy. The call from home was over-powering and I do not regret it a bit. However, I do not expect my state to cover my medical bills because my state is a poor state and cannot afford such luxuries :-)) when it can afford mega luxuries for its chosen ones. I have tried to force myself to be chosen on a couple of occasions without luck :-)) Such expectations will have to wait till (hopefully) goasuraj has the say in the matter of things in my state. As far as growing spinach and coconuts in the Canadian backyards is concerned, you may be right. However, you must take note that my brother who lives in Missisauga has successfully grown patoi'eamche khole' and has made and enjoyed patoieos far removed from home too. And I had a tough time to send him some live 'volod' disguised as medicinal roots :-)) Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:10 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... floriano wrote: And yes, I am on vauchi baaji because I basically have no $799 to pay for 12 bots of Angioprim from the USA. floriano, Maybe it is time to move to Canada. This is a socialist country. The people and Govt fervently believe that no resident in Canada should be deprived of first class medical attention. As such, all your medical needs and medicines are provided free of charge. Let me add that this is guaranteed i.e. regardless of your medical history. Mervyn1161Lobo PS. The down side to living in Canada is that you cannot grow spinach or coconuts in your backyard. __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
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Thalidomide? hGH (causing cjd)? - Original Message From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Mon, 7 December, 2009 7:52:42 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... 1. Detection of a rare adverse effect that was not caught in the clinical trials e.g. a one in 1000,000 chance of dying might not be caught in a scientific study involving 10,000 patients, and a study involving millions of patients would not be feasible. __ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/
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floriano wrote: However, I do not expect my state to cover my medical bills because my state is a poor state and cannot afford such luxuries :-)) when it can afford mega luxuries for its chosen ones. floriano, I agree with you in regards to the chosen ones. I am especially glad that the Goa Govt has the money to sponsor the vacations of half a dozen young Canadians every year. As far as growing spinach and coconuts in the Canadian backyards is concerned, you may be right. However, you must take note that my brother who lives in Missisauga has successfully grown patoi'eamche khole' and has made and enjoyed patoieos far removed from home too. And I had a tough time to send him some live 'volod' disguised as medicinal roots :-)) Yes, it does take a few years for immigrants to understand that the laws here are to protect residents and the Canadian economy. For example, if you bring Goan sausages into Canada, the customs officer will don on gloves, pick the sausages out of your bag and put both the sausages and gloves into an incinerator. The same guys will actually snatch an apple from a baby's hands and drop it into the same incinerator. In both cases, this is done to protect diseases from spreading into and devastating the Canadian economy. Despite this, people still try to circumnavigate the law. Some learn about Canadian laws only when they are given hefty fines for failing to comply. On the other hand, businessmen have found out the hard way that there is a limit to how many people you can fool in a literate society. The health section of the newspapers here keep their readers updated on the latest advances of medical sciences. In addition, when a cause for any disease becomes know, the Govt, i.e. the guarantor of public health, will disseminate the info in a way that it reaches all those in the high risk category. This is done because it is always more cost effective to prevent a disease than to pay for its treatment. As an example, the Canadian Govt targets those whose origins are in the Indian sub-continent by informing them that, because of their diet, they are in the high risk category for high blood pressure, heart and cardio- vascular diseases. Poly saturates, found in coconut oil, is about the worst food for those with high cholesterol levels. To make this simple to understand, if coconut oil was beneficial, it would command premium prices. Virgin coconut oil would be snapped up by the multi-nationals, patented, and marketed using brand names. Mervyn Lobo Since trade ignores national boundaries and the manufacturer insists on having the world as a market, the flag of his nation must follow him, and the doors of the nations which are closed against him must be battered down. Concessions obtained by financiers must be safeguarded by ministers of state, even if the sovereignty of unwilling nations be outraged in the process. Colonies must be obtained or planted, in order that no useful corner of the world may be overlooked or left unused. - Woodrow Wilson - President of the United States. __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Virgin Coconut Oil
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:17:47 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha f...@goa-india.org While we got derailed over the earlier debate, I'm really curious to know whether Virgin Coconut Oil is in any way healthier than oil extracted via the usual coconut-copra method. Mario asks: I think it depends on whether the virgins who extracted the Virgin Oil were healthier than those who used the other method or not:-))
Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
I wish to state that it is a falsity that coconut oil has anything to do with preserving anyone's virginity. Ask any Dotor. As the Bohemian Dotor will no doubt agree, this is a totally false and misleading statement that the famous bondollam marpi alias journo is feeding to the gullible goanet readership. No virgin. he will aver. has ever retained it after having a nice ... whatever ... either by cooking her food in coconut oil, or by using it to ... I am also sure that the American Dotor will refute the scientific basis behind this canard in scholarly terms quoting at least 14 websites and the thread will persist for 14 generations after a learned Padri asserts that natural family planning methods are better than virgin oil. Finally the Ingineiro Dotor will prove that it is just a ruse to promote a new book about coconuts regarding a certain master craftsman Vijaydatta Lotlikar's fortcoming book 'The Art of Coconut Craft' which is to be released on December 7, 2009 (Monday) at the Institute Menezes Braganza art gallery at 4 pm. And that Ghantis migrating into Goa thus rendering all Renders redundant are the root cause of virgins losing it to them. Personally I think that any publicity is good publicity and virgins are the best. Cheers Augusto -- Augusto Pinto 40, Novo Portugal, Moira, Bardez, Goa, India E pinto...@gmail.com or ypinto...@yahoo.co.in P 0832-2470336 M 9881126350
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--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Thalidomide? hGH (causing cjd)? These are wrong examples. Thalidomide was not approved by U.S. FDA when its teratogenic (birth defect causing) effects were discovered. The naturally occurring human Growth Hormone (hGH) that led to a few cases of Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) was a contaminated batch containing the causative agent for the latter disease, extracted from cadaveric human pituitary glands. The contamination happened before 1977 in studies conducted before U.S. FDA approval, and before the causative agent of CJD was discovered, which is now known to belong to a class of simple proteins called prions. Because of this U.S. FDA did not approve human pituitary-derived natural hGH. Instead, in 1985 it approved artificial or synthetic hGH as a drug for human use. U.S. FDA has now also approved Thalidomide for the treatment of a form of blood cancer and a type of skin condition. Cheers, Santosh
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Absolutely well said, Santosh. I was concentrating more on the cancers and the heart attacks that the other ones you mentioned quite slipped by me. And there was rabies and septics and more precariously, the snake bites. I am well informed today. And I am an eager beever for learning for I believe that one can learn even moments before one breaths one's last. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 - Original Message - From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... --- On Fri, 12/4/09, floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com wrote: But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then, all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me please?? There is no such puzzle. The manufactured puzzle results from ignorance about the history of medicine and the state of public health in Goa and the rest of the world. In the old days that Floriano remembers people used to die before the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long enough to die from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the lucky ones who lived to see 40 or 45, not having caught the infections. The few who lived much longer were in addition naturally selected by their genes. Hundred years ago the life expectancy of a human being in India was 25 years. This was during the heyday of all kinds of faith-based nostrums - Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home remedies of housewives and grandmothers. In 1947 when Indians were finally able to die free, they could only expect to live for 36 years. In 1961 when Portugal was liberated from the burden of Goa, a naturalized first-class Indian citizen in Goa was lucky if he/she could survive beyond 42 years of age, still not long enough for Floriano to see significant number of people dying from heart attacks. Today, any toddler in India can hope to live on an average for 70 years, long enough to have a good chance of being a cancer or stroke victim and survivor. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... (Mario Goveia)
This thread reminded me of a poster behind my life insurance agent's desk. It went some thing like this: Once there lived a man who led a clean life. He did not drink, smoke, or womanize. He did see movies, listen to music, or dance. He did not fight, and he did not love. And then one day he suddenly died. When his heirs made a claim on his life insurance, it was denied. The insurance company said they could not make a claim since the man had never lived. The moral of the poster is that every thing in moderation is good. My family from mother's side settled in Bombay early 1900s. Most of them died before 65 or so even though they did not eat much coconuts. Mostly from heart attacks, cancers. My father's side, most were in the Mangalore area which they never left. For them, eating coconuts five times a day was religion. But most lived to be close to 100, and some lived beyond for a few years. My mother came to Mangalore area some time after marrying. She is close to 90 and still active (no compromises on coconuts). But with each passing day she finds herself lonely, with even her nephews and nieces passing on. I keep telling my wife coconuts are not bad, but with no effect. Says something about life. Jagdish
Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... (Mario Goveia)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:11:03 -0500 From: Jagdish Gangolly gango...@gmail.com I keep telling my wife coconuts are not bad, but with no effect. Mario responds: I will leave it to Jose or Santosh to explain why you have an intelligent wife, and you don't even seem to realize it:-)) Also, make sure a coconut doesn't fall on your head, which will surely be a lesson on whether they are bad or not bad:-))
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floriano wrote: And yes, I am on vauchi baaji because I basically have no $799 to pay for 12 bots of Angioprim from the USA. floriano, Maybe it is time to move to Canada. This is a socialist country. The people and Govt fervently believe that no resident in Canada should be deprived of first class medical attention. As such, all your medical needs and medicines are provided free of charge. Let me add that this is guaranteed i.e. regardless of your medical history. Mervyn1161Lobo PS. The down side to living in Canada is that you cannot grow spinach or coconuts in your backyard. __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... (Mario Goveia)
The post appended below provides us with an important lesson. The moral of the story told in it is, please do not rely on anecdotes. What they tell you cannot be generalized. The reason for this is very simple. Most things in life and about life are very complicated, including the genes that prolong it. Cheers, Santosh ACKNOWLEDGEMENT: This work is supported by the Pandurang Project. The Pandurang Project is a charitable activity of the post-presidency of President Pandurang of Chimbel. It is an adult science literacy drive to provide free remedial education to a cyber-audience whose members have been ill-served by their browser, inbox and spam filter. --- On Sun, 12/6/09, Jagdish Gangolly gango...@gmail.com wrote: It went some thing like this: Once there lived a man who led a clean life. He did not drink, smoke, or womanize. He did see movies, listen to music, or dance. He did not fight, and he did not love. And then one day he suddenly died. When his heirs made a claim on his life insurance, it was denied. The insurance company said they could not make a claim since the man had never lived. The moral of the poster is that every thing in moderation is good. My family from mother's side settled in Bombay early 1900s. Most of them died before 65 or so even though they did not eat much coconuts. Mostly from heart attacks, cancers. My father's side, most were in the Mangalore area which they never left. For them, eating coconuts five times a day was religion. But most lived to be close to 100, and some lived beyond for a few years. My mother came to Mangalore area some time after marrying. She is close to 90 and still active (no compromises on coconuts). But with each passing day she finds herself lonely, with even her nephews and nieces passing on. I keep telling my wife coconuts are not bad, but with no effect. Says something about life. Jagdish
Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... (Mario Goveia)
Most sensible utterances I have ever heard on this thread. Jagdish, I thank you. floriano goasuraj 9890470896 - Original Message - From: Jagdish Gangolly gango...@gmail.com To: goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... (Mario Goveia) This thread reminded me of a poster behind my life insurance agent's desk. It went some thing like this: Once there lived a man who led a clean life. He did not drink, smoke, or womanize. He did see movies, listen to music, or dance. He did not fight, and he did not love. And then one day he suddenly died. When his heirs made a claim on his life insurance, it was denied. The insurance company said they could not make a claim since the man had never lived. The moral of the poster is that every thing in moderation is good. My family from mother's side settled in Bombay early 1900s. Most of them died before 65 or so even though they did not eat much coconuts. Mostly from heart attacks, cancers. My father's side, most were in the Mangalore area which they never left. For them, eating coconuts five times a day was religion. But most lived to be close to 100, and some lived beyond for a few years. My mother came to Mangalore area some time after marrying. She is close to 90 and still active (no compromises on coconuts). But with each passing day she finds herself lonely, with even her nephews and nieces passing on. I keep telling my wife coconuts are not bad, but with no effect. Says something about life. Jagdish
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Floriano wrote: Can you elucidate me some as to how these drugs did get the OK in the first place if the prio proven results were completely documented? Dear Floriano, Assuming that a regulatory agency is functioning optimally and responsibly, two reasons why a drug that got an approval initially might be withdrawn subsequently are as follows: 1. Detection of a rare adverse effect that was not caught in the clinical trials e.g. a one in 1000,000 chance of dying might not be caught in a scientific study involving 10,000 patients, and a study involving millions of patients would not be feasible. 2. Detection of an adverse effect that occurs only after decades long treatment with the drug e.g. a troublesome side effect that appears only after 30 years of being on the same drug, which could not be known when the drug was first introduced. In cases where these things occur, it is the withdrawal that is invariably the politically expedient action because it is extremely difficult to prove that a rare event is caused by the drug. Barring the possibility of outright fraud, there is usually nothing unscientific about the initial approval. Cheers, Santosh
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:40:25 -0800 (PST) From: Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca floriano, Maybe it is time to move to Canada. This is a socialist country. The people and Govt fervently believe that no resident in Canada should be deprived of first class medical attention. As such, all your medical needs and medicines are provided free of charge. Let me add that this is guaranteed i.e. regardless of your medical history. Mario observes: Mervyn is absolutely correct. Medical treatment in Canada is guaranteed. WHEN you will be treated is not: http://www.nowpublic.com/world/canadian-healthcare-cracking-multiple-months-waiting-list-just-see-doctor You may end up in the US for your Canadian health care:-)) http://www.freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/Canadians-visit-U.S.-to-get-health-care
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Mario, I must say that there is some life on goanet now. If you would want to know, I myself fell off the chair with my sides bursting to read what you had to say quote I think the sound I just heard was Jose, Santosh, Eric, Anand, Anesimo unquote And it is true. I take an empty aloe vera one litre can in my car with me for the best part of the morning :-)) And last of all, if Mario was not around with a good sense of humour, goanet would be dull as a mossed out stone. But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then, all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me please?? Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... 2009/12/4 floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com: PS: When goasuraj takes Goa's High Command in hand, the first to get hit are our dear dear doctors :-)) Mario observes: Floriano, My medical research informs me that to avoid HIV/AIDS one of the things you need to do is avoid, or be very careful, when taking anyone else in hand:-)) Mario responds: I think the sound I just heard was Jose, Santosh, Eric, Anand, Anesimo, and Anil falling off their chairs, while Gilbert and Fr. Ivo were heard saying, That's what I've been telling them for years, murre!:-)) Floriano wrote: And the Japanese have found out that 4 x 160 ml glasses of water taken first thing in the morning before brushing up, gets rid of most ills like diabetes, arthritis etc, even heart attacks. Mario responds: I tried this once and spent most of the day running to the bathroom:-)) Floriano wrote: I shall conclude my tirade to say that God has given mankind the cheapest and the most effective medicine. PURE WATER. And we despise it Mario responds: Not true. Saiba boggus. Please don't despise water, murre. I've never used it as a medicine but we use it to bathe and keep germs away. Many people use it to drink - not me, I stick to beer, which is made with water - we use it to grow food, to put out fires, to transport ore barges, for fishes to live in for us to eat, and we use it to make fenny, not much, just a little.
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Does that make it two? Or just one? :-) FN 2009/12/5 J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com ' when JC takes aim at patrakars and journos in Goa, you shouldn't believe that he dislikes journalists as a tribe (or class or caste). ' response: That is correct. I only dislike the ones who publish bondollam and refuse to correct them. jc -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 ANOTHER GOA: http://tiny.cc/anothergoa Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fredericknoronha Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
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2009/12/5 floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com: But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then, all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me please?? Don't trust everything you read on the Net... but: Coconut oil not just safe, beneficial, says controversial study http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/sep/17coco.htm The potent anti-viral, anti-fungal and anti-microbial effects of coconut oil have implicated it in the treatment of both AIDS and candida. Whatever bad things you may have heard or read about coconut milk have not stood up to scrutiny by unbiased food scientists; however, the goodness of coconut milk has not been given equal press because of intensive lobbying against it by the powerful vegetable oil industry. Southeast Asians, meanwhile, have been staying healthy for generations with coconut an integral part of their diet (The Truth about Coconut Oil). http://www.thaifoodandtravel.com/ingredients/cocmilk.html The coconut oil myth http://www.heart-health-for-life.com/coconut-oil.html -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 ANOTHER GOA: http://tiny.cc/anothergoa Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fredericknoronha Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
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--- On Fri, 12/4/09, floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com wrote: But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then, all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me please?? There is no such puzzle. The manufactured puzzle results from ignorance about the history of medicine and the state of public health in Goa and the rest of the world. In the old days that Floriano remembers people used to die before the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long enough to die from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the lucky ones who lived to see 40 or 45, not having caught the infections. The few who lived much longer were in addition naturally selected by their genes. Hundred years ago the life expectancy of a human being in India was 25 years. This was during the heyday of all kinds of faith-based nostrums - Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home remedies of housewives and grandmothers. In 1947 when Indians were finally able to die free, they could only expect to live for 36 years. In 1961 when Portugal was liberated from the burden of Goa, a naturalized first-class Indian citizen in Goa was lucky if he/she could survive beyond 42 years of age, still not long enough for Floriano to see significant number of people dying from heart attacks. Today, any toddler in India can hope to live on an average for 70 years, long enough to have a good chance of being a cancer or stroke victim and survivor. Cheers, Santosh
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I certainly can live with that. Makes a load of good sense, actually. Re: Nominations for Nobel prize, did peace quack manage to filter into the quackery and succed when they gave one to Obama ( prematurely)? Some people have a penchant to commit suicide. I am one of them, unfortunately. Should I put it to my huge distrust of modern day druggy medicines which apparently cure one symtom and creat 10 others? Thanks Santosh Much appreciated Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 - Original Message - From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... Corrections of misconceptions contained in the post appended below are as follows: 1. Rabies does present as psychiatric illness in many cases because of the encephalitis that it produces. Indeed, on rare occasions it can manifest as severe depression. 2. There is no evidence that virgin coconut oil eliminates HIV from the body. These claims constitute unadulterated quackery. 3. Johanna Budwig has done no credible research to show that flaxseed oil and cottage cheese works as a remedy against any type of cancer. In fact, she has published nothing of substance in the medical literature. Quite predictably, she receives 7 canards on the Quackometer. Please see: http://www.quackometer.net/?suspectquack=Johanna+Budwig Anybody can be nominated for a Nobel Prize. Indeed, quacks and irresponsible altermedics have made a habit of nominating each other. When they are turned down they claim that there is a world-wide conspiracy between the medical mafia and pharmaceutical drug cartel against them. Ideologically driven activists and gullible folk with tinfoil hats easily fall for such paranoid garbage. Cheers, Santosh --- On Fri, 12/4/09, floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Jose, In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left out the recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the recent death in GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of a dog bite. I don't want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies. One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks Virgin Coconut Oil. And yes, the world of pharmaceutical companies do conduct potent research to come out with remedies for the most common ills. But they ignore cheap natural God given remedies because they are cheaply available and one cannot make money over it. And if money cannot be made, then the BIG pharmas cannot exist. Dr. Johanna Budwig has been nominated 7 times for the Nobel Prize for effective simple remedy to treat cancer with flaxseed oil and cottage cheese combination. But she has failed to get the prize. The world would go bust if she got the Nobel Prize, in'it?? And everyone would run around to get hold of a pound of flaxseed from the market, what is commonly called 'sondmia'm' in Konkani which is rich in much sought after Omega 3 oil.
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:33:24 +0530 From: floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then, all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me please?? Mario's random thoughts on the end of life: Floriano, Not only would Goans eat copra but eggs every day with whole milk and then ate the cream with sugar, not to mention Christians eating massive qualtities of beef and pork with the fat and skin, after fighting over who got the fat. Secondly, you have written your Sure as hell... personal impressions which may or may not conform to actual facts about mortality in Goa. A factor in heart attacks is stress which may be much higher these days. I have two male ancestors who grew up in Goa and died of heart attacks in British India. One died in 1941 at 53 and his Dad died in 1929 at 87. I'm hoping I take after the latter. Regarding past dietary practices how many times did someone keel over and you would hear people at the funeral shake their heads sagely and say, I don't know what happened, murre, he was never sick a day in his life! Actually, the poor bug..., ...er, chap, was a dead man walking and didn't even know it. Here is what I realized when I came face to face with my own mortality a few years ago. The minute you are born, you begin to die. The only questions are when and where. When San Pedro gets his daily computer printout each morning and your name's on it, it's Hasta la vista, baby! If your names not on it you could fall out of an airplane, or have clogged arteries being treated with coconut oil and vauchi baaji and large quantities of water, and he wont let you in:-)) Of course I'm kidding here because a good coroner will be able to tell your family precisely what killed you and what you could have done to prolong your life, or if it was incurable. Of course finding out what you could have done from your own autopsy doesn't help you any, now does it? The only benefit of dying from cancer, if I may be blunt, is that one has some advance warning and can get their affairs in order before checking out. I had contingency plans for a world tour and a big party on my way out. When you have the time and energy, might as well go out in style is my philosophy. In your case, I think you have either been misdiagnosed or ancillary passages have developed around your blockages, which I believe has been known to happen. I'm not sure why you were not a candidate for bypass surgery years ago. I'm not familiar with the medications that were prescribed and you have refused to take. In the US I'm sure you would be have been prescribed Lipitor years ago to bring down your cholesterol level and try and reverse your heart disease. You would also be a candidate for a heart transplant which would give you a new functioning pump and entirely new plumbing. If I'm wrong, I'm sure one of our real doctors will correct me now that they have had time to get back up and collect themselves:-))
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Mario, Many thanks. And yes, I am on vauchi baaji because I basically have no $799 to pay for 12 bots of Angioprim from the USA. And I hope to get a few more months so that I can clear my desk and the backlog which needs time :-)) [I have been really messy with things, especially my tables and work desk and if at all I am santa grey it is because of the nagging on this front from my better half My justification to her is that I had people to clean out my desks and cabin on the ships for 27 years] I guess things that need to be cleared needs my sole attention and therefory I am applying myself. And btw this does not include 'goasuraj'. It is clean/spic and span and shining as hell ; not like India Shining though :-)) Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:33:24 +0530 From: floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then, all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me please?? Mario's random thoughts on the end of life: Floriano, Not only would Goans eat copra but eggs every day with whole milk and then ate the cream with sugar, not to mention Christians eating massive qualtities of beef and pork with the fat and skin, after fighting over who got the fat. Secondly, you have written your Sure as hell... personal impressions which may or may not conform to actual facts about mortality in Goa. A factor in heart attacks is stress which may be much higher these days. I have two male ancestors who grew up in Goa and died of heart attacks in British India. One died in 1941 at 53 and his Dad died in 1929 at 87. I'm hoping I take after the latter.
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It is very easy to become the doctor of doctors. One just has to hit the googles on any and every topic of health. :-)) Cheers floriano goasuraj PS: When goasuraj takes Goa'sHigh Command in hand, the first to get hit are our dear dear doctors :-)) Doctors BEWARE.. how you vote - Original Message - From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:17 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... Floriano, how dare you make such unScientific statements on Scientific-Goan-et :-) FN 2009/12/3 J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com 2009/12/3 floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by drinking VCO Dear Floriano, ? ? ? jc
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Dear JC, I am ok with the question mark. Hope all is well with you fly. B/rgds PS: In case you have not see this which I don't believe you have not. www.youtube.com/smartimmune - Original Message - From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... 2009/12/3 floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by drinking VCO Dear Floriano, ? ? ? jc
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[1] floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com wrote: VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by drinking VCO [2] Frederick Noronha chipped in with this: Floriano, how dare you make such unScientific statements on Scientific-Goan-et : == RESPONSE : My dear Floriano, One of your many positive attributes is that you are Floriano Lobo, and not a part of the 'patracar' crew which provided us with bondollam like: a: Several hundred years after Slavery was abolished, the Portuguese practised slavery in Goa b: The 1980s Portuguese built bridge in Daman ...collapsed c: The word 'Goanese' was not used in a derogatory fashion d: Gated communities do not need gates e: Bernado Colaco is the same as Jose Colaco f: Malaika is a Konkani song etc etc Bondollam ...which they refuse to correct the record on. So, Florianobab, when you speak ...many reasonable people (I believe) take your words to be accurate. This HIV stuff is serious. It suffers seriously from misinformation and prejudice. Many individuals get their information from non-scientific sources.and they tend to believe the information. I do not know IF Virgin Coconut Oil has anti-HIV properties or not. Once the oil is properly tested and the effect proven, I will believe it. Until that time, I will restrict myself to what is clinically proven. I regret to inform you that there are inaccuracies in your statement (above) (I will ignore FN's puerile attempt at flame-baiting.) For the record, Magic Johnson has been working with Glaxo (the makers of Trizivir), and Abbot (the makers of Kaletra) and the AIDS foundation to raise HIV awareness among African Americans. He has publicly announced that he is on a HIV drug cocktail. I'd like to add that Indian manufactured drugs are playing a huge role in the Bill Clinton Foundation's fight against HIV in some of the poorest countries in the world eg Haiti. I believe that my learned colleague (Santosh Helekar) has tried on numerous occasions to counteract the bogus information that is consistently being posted on GoaNet. Why some patracar would take a pot shot at that effort, beats me jc
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Hear Hear, This comes from a scientific researcher of repute on various life saving drugs including Goa's good old Feni :-)) Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Cecil Pinto cecilpi...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... Floriano Lobo wrote: VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by drinking VCO. - The statement above is a blatant untruth. Neither virgin coconut oil nor aloe vera can cure HIV. Cheers! Cecil ===
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Hi Floriano, Can we do a Khmer Rouge on these guys? I mean, send them to the villages for re-education :-) 2009/12/4 floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com: PS: When goasuraj takes Goa'sHigh Command in hand, the first to get hit are our dear dear doctors :-)) Doctors BEWARE.. how you vote
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floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com wrote: VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems Magic Johnson (the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by drinking VCO Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:13:30 -0500 From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com My dear Floriano, One of your many positive attributes is that you are Floriano Lobo, and not a part of the 'patracar' crew which provided us with bondollam like: e: Bernado Colaco is the same as Jose Colaco Mario asks: Yeah, yeah, yeah! I know they are not the same, but do they share some DNA perhaps:-))? Jose wrote: I regret to inform you that there are inaccuracies in your statement (above) (I will ignore FN's puerile attempt at flame-baiting.) For the record, Magic Johnson has been working with Glaxo (the makers of Trizivir), and Abbot (the makers of Kaletra) and the AIDS foundation to raise HIV awareness among African Americans. He has publicly announced that he is on a HIV drug cocktail. Mario observes: Fred is the only one allowed flame baits and OFF TOPIC posts on Goanet:-)) While imbibing drug cocktails I have also heard that Magic Johnson is staying away from cocktail waitresses and others claiming to be virgins unlike the bad old days that landed him in his predicament in the first place:-)) Moral of Magic's experience, which he will tell you himself, Stay away from the gratuitous activity that causes HIV/AIDS in the first place, and if you can't be good, be careful HIV doesn't come looking for you like other pandemics. Unless you are born with it you have to work quite hard to get it. Accidents like blood transfusions may happen but are very rare any more. Floriano wrote: In case you have not see this which I don't believe you have not. www.youtube.com/smartimmune Mario observes: Floriano, the last time I checked, JC is a REAL doctor, who gets his information from credible medical journals and not from Youtube videos selling food supplements. I wonder if the producers of the Youtube video would be interested in doing a scientific study on whether VCO affects HIV/AIDS? If they are we have a scientist right here on Goanet that they can use.
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Dear Jose, In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left out the recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the recent death in GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of a dog bite. I don't want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies. One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks Virgin Coconut Oil. And yes, the world of pharmaceutical companies do conduct potent research to come out with remedies for the most common ills. But they ignore cheap natural God given remedies because they are cheaply available and one cannot make money over it. And if money cannot be made, then the BIG pharmas cannot exist. Dr. Johanna Budwig has been nominated 7 times for the Nobel Prize for effective simple remedy to treat cancer with flaxseed oil and cottage cheese combination. But she has failed to get the prize. The world would go bust if she got the Nobel Prize, in'it?? And everyone would run around to get hold of a pound of flaxseed from the market, what is commonly called 'sondmia'm' in Konkani which is rich in much sought after Omega 3 oil. If Saudi Arabia (if I am not mistaken) had not bought the inventor of the first electric car for millions of dollars and shelved the invention, its economy which is based on oil would go bust. Its nothing but money after all. Cecil Pinto prefers to joke about Aloe Vera. Actually his mania is against MLMs. Instead he should ask his grandmother ( if she is still living) what home remedy she used to treat wounds going septic without going to expensive doctors and opting for expensive medicines. Today, the Japanese have come out with water ionizers which were unheard of some couple of years ago. Our natural water resources are going acidic day by day thro god knows what pollution. And the human body is supposed to be safe from most viruses if it remains alkaline (PH- 8-9). I believe someone is selling imported water ionizers in Margao for Rs. 30,000/ a piece or so. However, I have made one at home which has cost me Rs. 750/-, the costliest part of which is the battery eliminator supplying 12V DC output. I am uploading the picture of my home made water ionizer for you. And I have a water ionizer stick imported from Japan which has cost me Rs. 1500/- but the actual price is US$75/- a piece. It gives pure alkanie water (PH-8) - one litre in two hours. I have been diagonosed to have a totally clogged cardio-vascular system not recommended for by-pass surgery. I am supposed to take Ecosprin and Acorex for life. But these drugs only thin the blood so it can flow easily but in the meantime escalates the levels of homocystein (amino acid) in the blood which thickens the blood and makes it succeptible to clotting. I had a virtual cardiac arrest but I survived. I don't take ecosprin and acorex any more but eat raw spinach dipped in Virgin Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi baaji) every morning where the vauchi baaji comes from my kitchen garden. It supplies my quota of folic acid/per day intake which neutralises/brings down the blood homocysteine. Unfortunately, no doctor in Goa prescribes homocysteine test and one has to send blood samples to Mumbai for this test which cost Rs. 800/- . If at all younsters of under 40 (especially corporates) fall down and die of heart attacks today, it is because of high levels of homocysteine in the blood, permissible being 9-12 microgram or micromole/decilitre or something. I was 23.5 and therefore a sure case of ... And the Japanese have found out that 4 x 160 ml glasses of water taken first thing in the morning before brushing up, gets rid of most ills like diabetes, arthritis etc, even heart attacks. I shall conclude my tirade to say that God has given mankind the cheapest and the most effective medicine. PURE WATER. And we despise it enough to goad ourselves with cocacolas and fantas every oppotunity we get which are totally and hopelessly ACIDIC. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 - Original Message - From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... [1] floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com wrote: VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by drinking VCO [2] Frederick Noronha chipped in with this: Floriano, how dare you make such unScientific statements on Scientific-Goan-et : == RESPONSE : My dear Floriano, One of your many positive attributes is that you are Floriano Lobo, and not a part of the 'patracar' crew which provided us with bondollam like
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Rico, A food for thought indeed ! Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... Hi Floriano, Can we do a Khmer Rouge on these guys? I mean, send them to the villages for re-education :-) 2009/12/4 floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com: PS: When goasuraj takes Goa'sHigh Command in hand, the first to get hit are our dear dear doctors :-)) Doctors BEWARE.. how you vote
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The post appended below contains bogus and dangerous information regarding coconut oil and human health and disease. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has issued a strong warning against irresponsible alternative medics who propagate these myths on the internet. Here is a copy of one such letter: http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2006/mercola2.shtml People ought to know that you can google all kinds of information on the internet. But to recognize whether the material that you are reading is authentic or not requires a certain level of literacy on the subject in question. A scientifically illiterate journalist or activist cannot tell the difference between scientific fact and fiction. But what I am most disturbed about is the fact that there are individuals in this forum who have compromised their commitment to the truth for ideological reasons. In their cultural relativistic ideology, not only do they not care that there is such a thing as right and wrong in this world, but they are not the least concerned about the fact that they are misleading Goanetters on the most significant issues affecting their lives, namely public health and safety. Cheers, Santosh --- On Thu, 12/3/09, floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com wrote: Rico, After I read this post of yours and saw the video, I went searching goanet (my sent archives) where I had written about the deadly Hydrogenation Process of oils to enhance their self-life and how these oils have begun to be the Hitler's Gassing Chambers de novo through our grocery stores and supermarkets. And I had mentioned the virtues of the VCO [Virgin Coconut Oil] which is now replacing the good old Goan Copra Coconut oil ( which is already oxidized by virtue of it being dried out before extracting the oil).
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Arrey Baba, Floriano, you are arguing against the good old Cecil Pinto, and CP is taking off on the good old coconut. Who can cure HIV/AIDS? Not god, not modern science. Not yet! FN PS: Is Floriano's statement a blatant untruth, LIES, or inaccurate and misleading and unsubtantiated? I think there is a difference between these words 2009/12/4 floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com: Hear Hear, This comes from a scientific researcher of repute on various life saving drugs including Goa's good old Feni Floriano Lobo wrote: VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by drinking VCO. - The statement above is a blatant untruth. Neither virgin coconut oil nor aloe vera can cure HIV. Cheers! Cecil
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floriano wrote: I have been diagonosed to have a totally clogged cardio-vascular system not recommended for by-pass surgery. I am supposed to take Ecosprin and Acorex for life. But these drugs only thin the blood so it can flow easily but in the meantime escalates the levels of homocystein (amino acid) in the blood which thickens the blood and makes it succeptible to clotting. I had a virtual cardiac arrest but I survived. I don't take ecosprin and acorex any more but eat raw spinach dipped in Virgin Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi baaji) every morning where the vauchi baaji comes from my kitchen garden. floriano, This one seems strange. If I have read the above correctly, MD's have have prescribed Ecosprin and Acorex but you do not take it. The question I have is: Who suggested you eat raw spinach dipped in Virgin Coconut oil every morning? Mervyn1162Lobo __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
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Corrections of misconceptions contained in the post appended below are as follows: 1. Rabies does present as psychiatric illness in many cases because of the encephalitis that it produces. Indeed, on rare occasions it can manifest as severe depression. 2. There is no evidence that virgin coconut oil eliminates HIV from the body. These claims constitute unadulterated quackery. 3. Johanna Budwig has done no credible research to show that flaxseed oil and cottage cheese works as a remedy against any type of cancer. In fact, she has published nothing of substance in the medical literature. Quite predictably, she receives 7 canards on the Quackometer. Please see: http://www.quackometer.net/?suspectquack=Johanna+Budwig Anybody can be nominated for a Nobel Prize. Indeed, quacks and irresponsible altermedics have made a habit of nominating each other. When they are turned down they claim that there is a world-wide conspiracy between the medical mafia and pharmaceutical drug cartel against them. Ideologically driven activists and gullible folk with tinfoil hats easily fall for such paranoid garbage. Cheers, Santosh --- On Fri, 12/4/09, floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Jose, In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left out the recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the recent death in GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of a dog bite. I don't want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies. One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks Virgin Coconut Oil. And yes, the world of pharmaceutical companies do conduct potent research to come out with remedies for the most common ills. But they ignore cheap natural God given remedies because they are cheaply available and one cannot make money over it. And if money cannot be made, then the BIG pharmas cannot exist. Dr. Johanna Budwig has been nominated 7 times for the Nobel Prize for effective simple remedy to treat cancer with flaxseed oil and cottage cheese combination. But she has failed to get the prize. The world would go bust if she got the Nobel Prize, in'it?? And everyone would run around to get hold of a pound of flaxseed from the market, what is commonly called 'sondmia'm' in Konkani which is rich in much sought after Omega 3 oil.
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2009/12/4 floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com: PS: When goasuraj takes Goa's High Command in hand, the first to get hit are our dear dear doctors :-)) Mario observes: Floriano, My medical research informs me that to avoid HIV/AIDS one of the things you need to do is avoid, or be very careful, when taking anyone else in hand:-)) Floriano writes: In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left out the recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the recent death in GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of a dog bite. I don't want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies. Mario responds: Saiba boggus! Are you calling the doctors at GMC stupid? The very doctors who may have to treat you some day? Perhaps even for rabies? Even a layman like me knows it doesn't take 25 years to die from rabies, except perhaps at GMC:-)) BTW, did you tell the doctors at GMC that, in your medical opinion, all manifestations were of rabies for the last 25 years? Floriano wrote: the world of pharmaceutical companies do conduct potent research to come out with remedies for the most common ills. But they ignore cheap natural God given remedies because they are cheaply available and one cannot make money over it. And if money cannot be made, then the BIG pharmas cannot exist. Mario observes: Makes sense. Let's shut them all down and save all that money since all we need is water, virgin coconut oil, aloe vera, flaxseed oil, cottage cheese and vauchi baaji. But wait. Why should a pharmaceutical company do research on stuff they don't sell? If they do they will be accused of bias. Shouldn't the people who sell those things do the research? Do you sell houses and let others build the house and collect the payments? Floriano wrote: Dr. Johanna Budwig has been nominated 7 times for the Nobel Prize for effective simple remedy to treat cancer with flaxseed oil and cottage cheese combination. But she has failed to get the prize. The world would go bust if she got the Nobel Prize, in'it?? Mario responds: I hate to tell you this, re, but anyone with a typewriter and the cost of postage can nominate someone for a Nobel Prize. I thought everyone learned that when the world was shocked that President Obama could be awarded a Nobel prize for nothing from a nomination that had to be made before he even got elected. How do you like that, hanh?! The only way the world would go bust due to Dr. Budwig is if she were to successfully put her remedies through the same test as real medicines. Until then, her friends can continue to nominate her till the proverbial cows come home and nothing further will come of it, because her skin is not black like President Obama's, so she gets no special points in the Nobel committee's affirmative action or reservations programs:-)) Floriano wrote: If Saudi Arabia (if I am not mistaken) had not bought the inventor of the first electric car for millions of dollars and shelved the invention, its economy which is based on oil would go bust. Its nothing but money after all. Mario responds: I'm pretty sure you're mistaken. The Saudis don't have enough money to buy anyone who has a real alternative auto technology to compete with the gasoline engine right now. The folks at Reva in Bangalore would love for someone to buy them out. Floriano wrote: Cecil Pinto prefers to joke about Aloe Vera. Actually his mania is against MLMs. Instead he should ask his grandmother (if she is still living) what home remedy she used to treat wounds going septic without going to expensive doctors and opting for expensive medicines. Mario responds: Please let's keep Cecil's Granny out of this. I doubt he allowed her to use Aloe Vera either. Floriano writes: Today, the Japanese have come out with water ionizers which were unheard of some couple of years ago. Our natural water resources are going acidic day by day thro god knows what pollution. Mario responds: When only God knows, you can safely blame it on global warming:-)) Floriano wrote: I don't take ecosprin and acorex any more but eat raw spinach dipped in Virgin Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi baaji) every morning where the vauchi baaji comes from my kitchen garden. It supplies my quota of folic acid/per day intake which neutralises/brings down the blood homocysteine. Mario responds: I think the sound I just heard was Jose, Santosh, Eric, Anand, Anesimo, and Anil falling off their chairs, while Gilbert and Fr. Ivo were heard saying, That's what I've been telling them for years, murre!:-)) Floriano wrote: And the Japanese have found out that 4 x 160 ml glasses of water taken first thing in the morning before brushing up, gets rid of most ills like diabetes, arthritis etc, even heart attacks. Mario responds: I tried this once
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2009/12/4 floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com: Dear Jose, [1] In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left out the recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the recent death in GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of a dog bite. [2] I don't want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies. [3] One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks Virgin Coconut Oil. earlier, Floriano had written: [4] it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by drinking VCO + [5] I have been diagnosed to have a totally clogged cardio-vascular system not recommended for by-pass surgery -- RESPONSE: My dear Floriano, I will first address # 5: I'd advise that you get another opinion on that. Based on the history given, something looks off with the advice you have received. Now ...to your other points: re #1: It is impossible for me to comment on this case merely based on what you have written. Besides, I do know that doctors are not infallible. They make mistakes. re #2: Very confusing - when one takes into account #1 re #3: Whether Magic drinks VCO or not is NOT the question. The question is whether he is cured of HIV SIMPLY by drinking VCO (please see # 4) I will submit that # 4 is moot as Magic has (reportedly) acknowledged publicly that he is on a drug-cocktail. sincerely jc
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Dear Santosh, I consider this flutter of activity on goanet vis a vis VCO and all type of non-medical (unproven) hype is a learning experience and not misleading to call it that point blank. Goanetter are intelligent people and they will take the differring views into account and not fall for this hype, call it aloe vera, VCO etc. Your expert inputs are valuable and so also are those of others including JC's, Mario's etc and as such very much appreciated. Added to it is the angle of humour and lightheartedness which we goanetters can do with in times of serious discussions and displays. However, there are known cases of the USFDA, time and again withdrawing drugs/medicines from the shelves when they caused enough damage., inspite of USFDA being very methodical and thorough before giving the go ahead to market such drugs. Can you elucidate me some as to how these drugs did get the OK in the first place if the prio proven results were completely documented? In India we have poly-unsaturated oils ( Sunflow, Saffola, Soyabean etc) marketted and on the shelves of the super-market with labels which have tolerance levels to various entities higher than those prescribed by the Food Drugs Administration. Howcome this is happening then, if the governments are the watch-dogs of public health?? Just my queries, if you know what I mean. If you ask me for specific information and details, I will not be able to give you that as these are at most snapshots from my long ago memory. The point of strenght of any debate is when there are 'pro' and 'con' debators. It wouldn't be a debate and beneficial to the viewers/public if it was only pro or only con. Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... The post appended below contains bogus and dangerous information regarding coconut oil and human health and disease. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has issued a strong warning against irresponsible alternative medics who propagate these myths on the internet. Here is a copy of one such letter: http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2006/mercola2.shtml People ought to know that you can google all kinds of information on the internet. But to recognize whether the material that you are reading is authentic or not requires a certain level of literacy on the subject in question. A scientifically illiterate journalist or activist cannot tell the difference between scientific fact and fiction. But what I am most disturbed about is the fact that there are individuals in this forum who have compromised their commitment to the truth for ideological reasons. In their cultural relativistic ideology, not only do they not care that there is such a thing as right and wrong in this world, but they are not the least concerned about the fact that they are misleading Goanetters on the most significant issues affecting their lives, namely public health and safety. Cheers, Santosh
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Dear JC, With all due respect to you and to your profession, I am a much enlightened man today. (not forgetting Santosh, Mario et al) I still tend to believe in olden time's 'witches' who used to cure one and all. Even Jesus tried to convert Judas. But he failed. Maybe there is hope that I will see the light at the end of a dark tunnel. Thanks for bearing with my insanities. Call it being mesmerized with the internet stuff and claims. Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... 2009/12/4 floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com: Dear Jose, [1] In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left out the recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the recent death in GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of a dog bite. [2] I don't want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies. [3] One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks Virgin Coconut Oil. earlier, Floriano had written: [4] it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by drinking VCO + [5] I have been diagnosed to have a totally clogged cardio-vascular system not recommended for by-pass surgery -- RESPONSE: My dear Floriano, I will first address # 5: I'd advise that you get another opinion on that. Based on the history given, something looks off with the advice you have received. Now ...to your other points: re #1: It is impossible for me to comment on this case merely based on what you have written. Besides, I do know that doctors are not infallible. They make mistakes. re #2: Very confusing - when one takes into account #1 re #3: Whether Magic drinks VCO or not is NOT the question. The question is whether he is cured of HIV SIMPLY by drinking VCO (please see # 4) I will submit that # 4 is moot as Magic has (reportedly) acknowledged publicly that he is on a drug-cocktail. sincerely jc
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Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com ' when JC takes aim at patrakars and journos in Goa, you shouldn't believe that he dislikes journalists as a tribe (or class or caste). ' response: That is correct. I only dislike the ones who publish bondollam and refuse to correct them. jc
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Rico, After I read this post of yours and saw the video, I went searching goanet (my sent archives) where I had written about the deadly Hydrogenation Process of oils to enhance their self-life and how these oils have begun to be the Hitler's Gassing Chambers de novo through our grocery stores and supermarkets. And I had mentioned the virtues of the VCO [Virgin Coconut Oil] which is now replacing the good old Goan Copra Coconut oil ( which is already oxidized by virtue of it being dried out before extracting the oil). This information you have given does not touch even a tip of the iceberg about the virtues of this VCO. (Cold pressed) FYI, I am actually drinking VCO three times a day apart from using only VCO as a cooking medium at home. Have long back thrown the market oils out of my kitchen. I do have a few bottles [1 litre] with me (had purchased a dozzen). Costs Rs. 350/bot. VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by drinking VCO. I can put you on to the guy who has done heavy research on this VCO and who is promoting it in Goa after having painstakingly found the source of genuine VCO. This brand of VCO is coming from Kerala. BTW: I have recently given one bottle to a senior citizen/friend in Panjim who can't make the medical tests for the Canadian Visa. VCO is believed to help with Diabetes as with most viruses including CYTOMEGALOVIRUS ( the shell based virus like the HIV virus which is the cause of most Heart attacks). It is believed that lauric acid has the potential to penetrate the shell of the virus and render it dead which most modern drug cannot do. BTW 2: VCO is not produced in Goa. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Frederick Noronha f...@goa-india.org To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:11 PM Subject: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil... Do you know anyone who produces 'virgin coconut oil' in Goa? Apparently, it's a big thing in places like the Philippines. Here's an interesting account of how it's produced and what its perceived benefits are: http://www.freecoconutrecipes.com/about_us.htm Don't miss the video while you're there. Wonder what the experts in this field feel about its potential for Goa. Have also posted the link to the BSG-Goa/Botanical Society of Goa mailing list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bsg-goa Rgds, FN -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 ANOTHER GOA: http://tiny.cc/anothergoa Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fredericknoronha Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
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2009/12/3 floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by drinking VCO Dear Floriano, ? ? ? jc
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Floriano, how dare you make such unScientific statements on Scientific-Goan-et :-) FN 2009/12/3 J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com 2009/12/3 floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by drinking VCO Dear Floriano, ? ? ? jc -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
