Re: [h-cost] puffed sleeves
- Original Message - From: Jacqueline Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] puffed sleeves What Anne so dearly longs for is leg o' mutton sleeves. Just google it. The Anne books take place from the late 1890's all the way to 1919 with Rilla of Ingleside so the fashions are fairly easy to figure out for these books. I am an ardent L.M.Montgomery fan. Bice I just saw the Anne of Green Gables movie last week--the old 30's one with Anne Shirley starring in it. I was watching eagerly for the puffed sleeves part--I was so disappointed with their depiction. (AND they made Diana Barry a blonde! A sacrilege!) Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums
- Original Message - From: E House [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 10:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT vacuums I can't be the only one with this problem--little threads, all over my carpet, and a vacuum that just can't handle 'em. My vacuum has enough suction to pick up a bowling ball, but the little brush thinger that's supposed to pick up lint and so forth is pretty much useless. I have to use just the naked hose in order to get threads up, and even in a 2 bedroom apartment that gets very very tiring. Has anyone found a vacuum that works really well for the kind of stuff we costumers do? Something that can pick up all those threads and all that fabric lint (and all that cat hair) that plagues us? No cat hair here--but feathers and bird seed can wreak havoc on a vacuum! (And the Grey goes for distance when he flings...) And I have very long hair, which gets into everything and wraps nicely around the beater bar of a traditional vacuum. I had a Dirt Devil bagless that lasted more than most of the others (three years, I kill most vacuums in one) but right now I have a Kenmore canister vac I got from Free Cycle, and I LOVE it. -E House, longing for hardwood floors... Dianne And I could go for hardwood floors too! I actually rather enjoy vacuuming, but between the kids and the birds, the carpet just gets stained and dirty so fast! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] grading patterns to fit a very large man
In a message dated 10/17/2005 1:07:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I regularly make doublets for a rather large gentleman I made two doublets for some guys about the size you mentioned [I called them quadrupletsbut I'm BAD!] Anyway, the draping idea is an excellent one as everyone wears his weight in a different place. But instead of starting with just a piece of fabric to drape on the gentleman, I got a commercial vest pattern in his size and used it as a start to get a doublet body shape. I added the high neck and raised the bottom of the armseye a little...eliminated any darts, put the shoulder seams back a littley'know. I was using Janet Arnold's book as a guide. Then I followed the measurements taken from the man to get the pattern as close as possible. TAKE A COMPLETE SET OF MEASUREMENTS You'll need ones like shoulder length, chest front, across back, Neck to waist CB and CFall those things. Then make up a muslin of what you come up with and fit it on him. Cut it with ample seam allowances. I made mine with the period detail of no underarm seamthe front wrapped around to the side back. I DON'T recommend this. Makes it hard to fit on a large man. I did put some boning and canvas down the front though. That was helpful in making it look good. My CF closing curved too, just like in some real doublets. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums
My mother always used to swear by her old-fashioned Fuller-brush carpet sweeper (and we kept my child's version for an extra decade for the same reason). Now that it's AWOL (went missing in the move), we are also quite disappointed with most modern vacs. I'm likely going to purchase a non-electric brush sweeper for that. Fuller still makes them :) Maura __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums
At 16:41 17/10/2005, you wrote: My mother always used to swear by her old-fashioned Fuller-brush carpet sweeper (and we kept my child's version for an extra decade for the same reason). Now that it's AWOL (went missing in the move), we are also quite disappointed with most modern vacs. I'm likely going to purchase a non-electric brush sweeper for that. Fuller still makes them :) Don't know if you get Dyson vacuum cleaners in the U.S. Mine is a heavy brute, but takes up cat hairs and cat litter and crumbs and threads like nothing I have ever had before. And the brush thingy on the end of the hose gets in all the corners I try to avoid. (I don't have dust bunnies, I have dust elephants - I hate housework!) Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re:was 14 yds of wool, is weathein in Eng
Tell me about the UK and wool. All the sheep we passed on the way to Litchfield (We actually slept quite near a place called Yarnfield) should have been a clue. We were there in the beginning of September. The first few days were (unseasonalbly) warm to hot. Then it cooled off to what the weather usually was. Luckily I had brough some of my wool things. They are usually WAAY too hot to wear down here in North Carolina and Virginia, except for maybe January or February. Wool petticoats and jackets and were JUSTt the thing . The wool repelled the rain that we had one day, and although we were soaked, it really didn't bother us. The logic of the clothing system dawned on me . Even the men in ca. 1770's regimental weren't too bothered. They were soaked and heavy, but not uncomfortable and cold. 18 cent. Mia in too hot old Charlotte, Distaff with HM 64th of foot, from the grand Stafford, and back there for their regimental reunion at the celebration of 300th anniversary of the founding of the regimmment. They blessed our flags on the silver drums and everything. - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: OT vacuums
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:25:48 -0500 From: E House [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] OT vacuums I can't be the only one with this problem--little threads, all over my carpet, and a vacuum that just can't handle 'em. I have one of those rubber-bristled brooms like you see on TV, and it works great for getting cat hair and my long hairs up off the carpet. I haven't tried it for threads or lint, since I have wood floors in my sewing room, but since you mentioned cat hairs I had to recommend it. My vacuum never gets jammed with hair anymore because I use the rubber broom before I vacuum. It also works great for getting into the grout lines between tiles. Tea Rose ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves
Okay, I know what leg o'mutton sleeves are, but I was under the impression that these were something different. Can't say why, exactly. But I thought this was a little girl's style or variation of some kind, not a generic 1890s style. Am I totally off-base? Gail Finke ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums
Don't know if you get Dyson vacuum cleaners in the U.S. Mine is a heavy brute, but takes up cat hairs and cat litter and crumbs and threads like nothing I have ever had before. And the brush thingy on the end of the hose gets in all the corners I try to avoid. We do have Dyson vacs but they are around $400 and according to Consumer Reports they work but may not be worth the big price tag. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net Everything for the Costumer ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves
Leg of mutton(because of its resemblance and size to a leg of a full grown sheep or ram)was just one of many styles of full sleeves. I believe it is more often referred as such more by costume historians and critics of the times, rather than in fashion periodicals and discussions between actual wearers. The first really very full, top-heavy sleeves for women that required padding, wiring, or supporting undersleeves to maintain in recent centuries, actually was a trend of some duration, began in the Rennaisance(mid 16th century and beyond for most European countries). The 1590's to about early 1600's was the most notable era. Then sleeves on women's gowns compatively collapsed in size until the 1630s when big sleeves, were again haute couture. The advent of the mantua in the 1670's and 80's, succeeded by the sackback, robe a la francaise, and robe a l'anglaise and all the variations of the 18th'century backfullness gown cycle, coupled with fashion's interest on fabric pattern and use of lace, basically took the big sleeve out of fashion until the 1820's when the line of the fashionable gown, which had evolved from the back and side fullness of 18th c high fashion to the relatively columnal line starting with the Directoire and Empire in France. There were some really bizaare to our 21st century eyes fashions of the 1820's and 30's with fashionable women wearing wider and shorter skirts, the variations on the shoulder expanding wide bertha collar coupled with wide sleeves and intricate hair styles topped with broad-brimmed, usually lavishly trimmed hats. Even men had one last blaze of colorful fashion glory, before the well-dressed fashionable, but in good taste, male retreated back into Beau Brummel's land of discreet, dark colored, but beautifully tailored suits that began during the reign of Charles II. The super-full sleeve of the 1890's admittedly took its cue from the fashions of the 1820's and 30's, but shapes varied more and started with some sleeve head fullness in the late 1880's. By 1895/6, the huge sleeves with a myriad of names to denote each slight(to our eyes)change in style, got to their largerst length and then rapidly collapsed in size, along with the width of the shoulders. Most fullness dropped to the lower part of the arm, where it was controlled further with pleating and/or stitching The gored skirt of the 1890's changed from a bell created by gores, to a softer curved gored skirt with some backfullness, and the entire line of the skirt moved closer to the figure. Sleeves have never gotten a large again, probably because they get in the way of women doing things, and are difficult to fit and mass produce cheaply. It was much easier in the next(20th century) to manufature set in sleeves with little of no fullness and kimono and short sleeves allowed freedom of arm movement as well as cost-cutting production methods. Hope this helps. Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Scott Finke Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves Okay, I know what leg o'mutton sleeves are, but I was under the impression that these were something different. Can't say why, exactly. But I thought this was a little girl's style or variation of some kind, not a generic 1890s style. Am I totally off-base? Gail Finke ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] what would you do with 14 yards of wool?
No, ME!
Not that I need 14 yards of green wool.
Fight! Fight! Me too! I was going to say: oh, Dawn, it's just not you!
However, it is exactly me! G
I have such visions of a fabric scramble. lol
I haven't used up the wool I have from Pendleton yet, so I'm just watching
everyone else fight. But with a single 14-yard piece I could make an
entire wardrobe of Edwardian day and walking outfits, with mix and several
match jackets and a couple of skirts.
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Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums
At 18:08 17/10/2005, you wrote: Don't know if you get Dyson vacuum cleaners in the U.S. Mine is a heavy brute, but takes up cat hairs and cat litter and crumbs and threads like nothing I have ever had before. And the brush thingy on the end of the hose gets in all the corners I try to avoid. We do have Dyson vacs but they are around $400 and according to Consumer Reports they work but may not be worth the big price tag. I got mine cheap in the local supermarket, so I think it is worth the price I paid - about 25% off!. $400.00 is too much though, even for a really good machine. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums
- Original Message - From: Branwyn Maura [EMAIL PROTECTED] My mother always used to swear by her old-fashioned Fuller-brush carpet sweeper (and we kept my child's version for an extra decade for the same reason). Thanks all, for the responses--I still hope to hear more reviews if anyone's got 'em, but, OHYEAH, carpet sweepers! A year or two back it came to me that those would be the solution, but then I forgot all about them. Thanks, Maura! I'm still going to replace my vacuum with one that can handle thread at some point, but for now I'm going with that. I had wondered if they still made em (the one I used as a child was at least 40 or 50 years old) so it's very good to know that they do. And hey, how often do we get to buy something that can last half a century, nowadays? -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: habit francaise
Hello Bjarne, Although this is not a period that I have worked with, I am a little familiar with it and I have enjoyed looking at your pictures of costumes and your exquisite embroidery. It does sound like you have made your decision about the waist coat - but my mind's eye came up with this...I don't know if fabric of this sort it is period, but what about a pale pearl gray with the same rosy undertones as the jacket silk? If such a thing can be found. Your embroidery plans for this suit sound lovely. Annette M -- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:14:53 +0200 From: Bjarne og Leif Drews Subject: Re: [h-cost] habit francaise To: Historical Costume Dear Joannah and Suzi, Thanks for your inputs, i also found one in Ribeiro's Fashion in England and Fracem a spanish country park scene, a gentleman is wearing a red suit with green waistcoat. But i have ben interrested in court suit wearm and i think it is a must with off white waistcoat. Could have ben pretty with a medium grey with my dusty rose, but off white will also be nice. I intent to embroider myself a new court suit, and i draft embroidery patterns right now, so fun. I think i will combine it so that i make the cuffs off white also. The match depends on the colours i use for the embroidery. I was so fortunate to find a Armani ribbed silk in dusty red lilacs. As it was the last lot, 6,30 meter, i got it for 230,00 kr, a meter. They told me the original price is 1000,00 kr a meter. Perhaps i make a wreath of rosebuds in dusty rose on the waistcoat and an old rose wreath of rosebuds on the jacket. More red than the fabric, Please dont make any fuss about the portrait you found, it is the whole, that lighter waistcoats was used that matters to me. Thanks for your replyes!!!:-) Bjarne - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] habit francaise At 18:46 15/10/2005, you wrote: This, of course, sent me off looking through lots of portraits on the web, where I have seen plenty of *matching* waistcoats, but unfortunately no dark waistcoats with lighter coats. ( Do you know how many portraits were painted at just the right angle to not let you see what is on under their coats and jabots? Nearly every blasted one ) However, I did find this portrait - http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?search=sssText=bachLinkID=mp05038rNo=0role=sit which seems to have a waiscoat of a contrasting colour. I may be able to go and have a quick look at this on Tuesday, Bjarne, if you can wait that long. I have a suspicion that what shows is the lining of the coat, but if they have the portrait on display I will be able to get a better idea. Suzi - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves
Well no. They had this type of sleeve for a little girl's dress. Someplace in fact I have a baby dress with these sleeves and they are stupidly large. It's as generic as it gets. I think at some point Marilla says that the sleeve sizes are getting ridicoulous and are waste of good fabric which is how I date the timeline of the book is by that statement. Silly I know but it's a clue to costumers that they are in the late part of the puff sleeved craze when some women as Ms. Abel pointed out so well, had frames or horsehair to support them much like the ones in the 130 and 40's (?) did. The older ones from 100 years before were actually bigger than the Gibson girl ones. The problem is the movies make you think that the book takes place later than it does. And the costumes are off IMO by about 10 years off in one direction or another. The Rilla of Ingleside book clearly ends in 1918 (they give dates) shortly after the Armistice. In it Anne mourns her first grey hair then cheerfully admits she looks foward to no longer having red hair. Rilla is her youngest and last child and even taking in Joy the baby who died Rilla who is 19 in the last chapter couldn't have been born any early than 1899-1900 and Anne had been married at least 12 years IIRC when Rilla was born in Anne of Ingleside. Hope that helps to pin costuming dates down a bit better. And it's made me realize that I analyze children's literature WAY too much. Bice off to get a better hobby On 10/17/05, Gail Scott Finke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I know what leg o'mutton sleeves are, but I was under the impression that these were something different. Can't say why, exactly. But I thought this was a little girl's style or variation of some kind, not a generic 1890s style. Am I totally off-base? Gail Finke ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] puffed sleeves
I've even seen the 1916 (?) version. I've YET to see a good version or play of this series. And what BBC recently did to poor Anne is disgusting beyond words. The books are aso basic and simple there is simply NO good reason that a more accurate version can't be done. The best out of all would probably be the version starring Anne Shirley. The actress did so well in that one she changed her name to Anne Shirley. It was a PBS version done back in the late 80's IIRC. I've also seen the 1930's version with the blonde Diana. And it was the stupidest piece of film I've seen yet. Diana needs her raven tresses. Bice On 10/17/05, Dianne Greg Stucki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jacqueline Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] puffed sleeves What Anne so dearly longs for is leg o' mutton sleeves. Just google it. The Anne books take place from the late 1890's all the way to 1919 with Rilla of Ingleside so the fashions are fairly easy to figure out for these books. I am an ardent L.M.Montgomery fan. Bice I just saw the Anne of Green Gables movie last week--the old 30's one with Anne Shirley starring in it. I was watching eagerly for the puffed sleeves part--I was so disappointed with their depiction. (AND they made Diana Barry a blonde! A sacrilege!) Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re:was 14 yds of wool, is weathein in Eng
Random interesting fact: There are still the same number of sheep per person in Britain as there were in the 15th century. Just that now, a lot fewer people spend their time looking after the sheep. Ever since I learned that I've wondered where I can go to claim my sheep. I think it's about 6 each, IIRC. Jean Mia Dappert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Tell me about the UK and wool. All the sheep we passed on the way to Litchfield (We actually slept quite near a place called Yarnfield) should have been a clue. We were there in the beginning of September. The first few days were (unseasonalbly) warm to hot. Then it cooled off to what the weather usually was. Luckily I had brough some of my wool things. They are usually WAAY too hot to wear down here in North Carolina and Virginia, except for maybe January or February. Wool petticoats and jackets and were JUSTt the thing . The wool repelled the rain that we had one day, and although we were soaked, it really didn't bother us. The logic of the clothing system dawned on me . Even the men in ca. 1770's regimental weren't too bothered. They were soaked and heavy, but not uncomfortable and cold. 18 cent. Mia in too hot old Charlotte, Distaff with HM 64th of foot, from the grand Stafford, and back there for their regimental reunion at the celebration of 300th anniversary of the founding of the regimmment. They blessed our flags on the silver drums and everything. - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT vacuums
$400 is about the equivalent of what you'd pay for a newer version of a dyson over here these days - but from my experience they're probably not worth the outlay (we've got one - can't remember which model). Was brilliant for a few months, but it just couldn't cope with cat hair, cat litter and thread. There just seems to be too much that can go wrong (with the uprights at least). We now have a vax (don't know if they're available in the states). It's fabulous - picks up the cat hairs and litter, the thread, my hair (which is quite long usually), the mud etc. from the re-enactment stuff, and al the dust. It even manages to suck the chalk dust out of my worn out flattened old sewing room carpet. All that and it washes too (not that I've actually ever used the washy bit). ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Strange spinning question
I'm reading an article: Objets archéologiques; Témoins dune quaiité de vie urbaine dans le bourg monastique: by Nicole Meyer Rodrigues in Dossiers d'Archaologie no. 297 (Oct. 2004) pp. 94-101. On page 94 there is a picture of a knitted cap from the beginning of the 14th century - it's described as Bonnet en byssus -- the text appears on page 101 as Un bonnet tricoté en byssus, ou soie marine ou encore laine de poisson, substance sécrétée par la pinna nobilis, un grand coquillage bivalve de méditerranée. le bonnet provient dun dépotoir dont le remplissage est date du debut du XiVe siècle... which roughly means A bonnet knitted in byssus, or marine silk or fish wool, substance secreted by the pinna nobilis, a large bivalvular shell of the Mediterranean. the bonnet comes from a dump whose filling is date of the beginning of XIVe century... Has anyone ever heard of this stuff or worked with it? Marc ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Strange spinning question
At 04:49 PM 10/17/2005, you wrote: I'm reading an article: Objets archéologiques; Témoins dune quaiité de vie urbaine dans le bourg monastique: by Nicole Meyer Rodrigues in Dossiers d'Archaologie no. 297 (Oct. 2004) pp. 94-101. On page 94 there is a picture of a knitted cap from the beginning of the 14th century - it's described as Bonnet en byssus -- the text appears on page 101 as Un bonnet tricoté en byssus, ou soie marine ou encore laine de poisson, substance sécrétée par la pinna nobilis, un grand coquillage bivalve de méditerranée. le bonnet provient dun dépotoir dont le remplissage est date du debut du XiVe siècle... which roughly means A bonnet knitted in byssus, or marine silk or fish wool, substance secreted by the pinna nobilis, a large bivalvular shell of the Mediterranean. the bonnet comes from a dump whose filling is date of the beginning of XIVe century... Has anyone ever heard of this stuff or worked with it? Marc I ran a quick search on byssal threads. This article has a statement that may support the article you cited. http://www.lifesci.ucsb.edu/mcdb/labs/waite/byssus.html Personally, I have never tried to collect byssal threads from mussels, though here's an article showing how to work with them. http://www.designboom.com/eng/education/byssus_howto.html Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] carpet sweeper
At the restaurant where I work we use Bissel carpet sweepers all the time. We cannot use vacuum cleaners in the restaurant because they kick up dust and stuff. These sweepers are fantastic!!! They even pick up french fries and ice too!!! They are $27 at Walmart. Linda S. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Strange spinning question
Personally, I have never tried to collect byssal threads from mussels,
though here's an article showing how to work with
them. http://www.designboom.com/eng/education/byssus_howto.html
I don't necessarily believe all the stuff in that article, nor in the links
from it. For example, one quotes Herotidus as mentioning lace, and another
says that cloth of gold was really byssus fiber fabric.
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Re: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves
- Original Message - From: Jacqueline Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves Hope that helps to pin costuming dates down a bit better. And it's made me realize that I analyze children's literature WAY too much. Bice off to get a better hobby But children's lit is FUN! Think about it--Anne, The Phantom Tollbooth, The NeverEnding Story (another one where the movies truly STUNK), Narnia, Grimm's Fairy Tales... I LOVE children's books! Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Interesting article...
I was reading my Colonial Williamsburg magazine this morning and saw this article about tailors in the 18th century. It is also online so I thought I would share it with you The most interesting thing to me is what tailors do versus seamstresses versus mantua makers. Have a look: http://www.history.org/foundation/journal/Autumn05/Tailor.cfm Enjoy! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net Everything for the Costumer ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves
If you love good kids' lit -- as I do, passionately -- then you owe it to yourself to find everything you can by Edith Nesbit, if you haven't discovered her already (The Story of the Treasure Seekers, the New Treasure Seekers, The Wouldbegoods, The Magic City, The Magic World, Wet Magic, The Railroad Children, Five Children and It, The Phoenix and the Carpet, The Story of the Amulet, The Enchanted Castle, Melisande, The Book of Dragons, The Book of Beasts, The House of Arden, Harding's Luck, Fairy Tales...). She's usually published under E. Nesbit. And the only (admittedly weak) way I can think of to make this clothing related is that she was very atypical in the way she dressed for her time (Victorian) -- loose gowns, no corset, short hair -- and she smoked like a chimney! KP Dianne Greg Stucki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jacqueline Johnson To: Historical Costume Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves Hope that helps to pin costuming dates down a bit better. And it's made me realize that I analyze children's literature WAY too much. Bice off to get a better hobby But children's lit is FUN! Think about it--Anne, The Phantom Tollbooth, The NeverEnding Story (another one where the movies truly STUNK), Narnia, Grimm's Fairy Tales... I LOVE children's books! Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Redingote (Was: what would you do with 14 yards of wool?)
Thank you! The Sense and Sensibility pattern is perfect. Just needs a couple of tweaks to get the exact look I want. Michelle, happily contemplating her new winter coat. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: puffed sleeves
I recently posted about this on my livejournal (if you are on there and want to add me my name is Jaie up there) So I'm going to simply post what I wrote up there as my response: I've got a couple of books I'm also keeping an eye on as well. Someone has an entire collection of the Waverly Novelshttp://www.who2.com/sirwalterscott.htmlfor sale. I've always wanted a set. And this set has 26 of the books. If I recall there should be 48. These are the books I learned to read on. Our great grandmother had a set of these. She had a bookcase with books in the kitchen and along with her cookbooks she kept a lot of children's books. Anne of Green Gables in hardback all the way to the Rilla book, Rebecca of Sunny Brook Farm in first edition, that had been hers. Also there were all of the books from my grandfather and his siblings the last of whom wasn't born until my grandfather was a man and married himself in the late 40's. The Waverly's however were kept in the attic. When I was about 5 or so my grandmother brought them down from the attic and gave them to me to read. I was already a heavy reader and had gone through all the ones in the kitchen. I was told to be very careful with them as they had belonged to her own father or grandfather. She came from a wealthier home than the one she went to in marriage so these versions of the Waverly set were leather bound with the owners initials on the binding. I believe my aunt has them now. The other set I am thinking about is a set of the Samantha books.And no, I don't mean the American Girl Samantha. I'm speaking of the Victorian Samantha. Another set of books my grandmother had. And before anyone thinks I'm trying to relive my childhood, don't. These are books that I learned to love with my Grandmother. That's all. The Samantha books were also written by a local woman. Marietta Holleyhttp://www.northnet.org/stlawrenceaauw/holley.htmwho was from Pierrepont Manor in Jefferson County, NY. Pierrepont was another major scene in my childhood. Marietta was a suffragette in the early days and her Samantha books are about a girl who breaks all of society's more silly rules while staying a lady. You can read the series at Project Guttenberg. I used to have some of these books but when I moved here it was among the boxes of books that mysteriously came up missing. The only mystery of course being what dump did my ex husband toss them in because he felt I had too many books. Get rid of them. So now I have to replace my set. Luckily he didn't toss my set of Paige Twinshttp://unofficial.umkc.edu/crossonm/pagetwins.htmbooks. Otherwise I may very well have killed him. As you can tell though, I like girl series books. I have Aunt Jane's Nieces as well. Which is if you aren't aware by Frank Baum under the pseudonym Edith Van Dyne. Grandmother also had the Brownie Books and the Curlytops. The Brownie Books I think were my aunt's the Curlytops my grandmother had gotten herself. I have the newly printed Elsie Dinsmore books. Five Little Peppers was also in grandmother's library. There was also the Betsey Tacyhttp://www.geocities.com/Paris/Lights/4859/books. They still print these so replacing them is not even an issue. They even have a society http://www.betsy-tacysociety.org/. Maud Hart Lovelace wrote them much later than the other books so I tend to think these may have belonged to one of my younger aunts along with the Nancy Drew books that I hated. But my most expensive books will be to work on getting hardcover and/or first editions of the Laura Ingalls Wilder books AND Lucy Maud Montgomery's sets. Whew. Obligatory costume content...I also enjoy recreating what I think the charachters would have worn and indeed am thinking of starting a Rilla dress for my next project. Bice On 10/17/05, Kathryn Parke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you love good kids' lit -- as I do, passionately -- then you owe it to yourself to find everything you can by Edith Nesbit, if you haven't discovered her already (The Story of the Treasure Seekers, the New Treasure Seekers, The Wouldbegoods, The Magic City, The Magic World, Wet Magic, The Railroad Children, Five Children and It, The Phoenix and the Carpet, The Story of the Amulet, The Enchanted Castle, Melisande, The Book of Dragons, The Book of Beasts, The House of Arden, Harding's Luck, Fairy Tales...). She's usually published under E. Nesbit. And the only (admittedly weak) way I can think of to make this clothing related is that she was very atypical in the way she dressed for her time (Victorian) -- loose gowns, no corset, short hair -- and she smoked like a chimney! KP Dianne Greg Stucki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But children's lit is FUN! Think about it--Anne, The Phantom Tollbooth, The NeverEnding Story (another one where the movies truly STUNK), Narnia, Grimm's Fairy Tales... I LOVE children's books! Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com
