Re: [Haifux] Party? Yes! Mark your calendars... Say YES if you will come.
Aye. Adir On 1/28/09, Yossi Gil yossi@gmail.com wrote: Folks, I see the little pebble I threw in this pond is still having its waves. I am overwhelmed by the responses, but I I will try to answer all messages. But, it is important for me to say that I am really really happy to see so many enthusiastic people here, and if no one objects too much, I will try to leverage this momentum and enthusiasm further. Concrete actions: *1. Linux party.* I had a discussion with Shahar Dag, the lab Engineer this morning, and we agreed on running a Linux get together event, with no formal description and content. The idea is that students and interested users will come to discuss their needs, experience and concerns with you guys. More importantly, we will be able to brainstorm further ideas beyond what is possible in a mailing list. This will not be an installation party (I have never been to one, so I do not really know what this means ;-)). Of course, people could get tips on installation in this event, etc., but we will not run formal installation. Zvi Dvir -- it would ber real nice if you could run war stories in that event. I set the date to Thursday, February 19th, at 13:00 in SSDL. Mark your calendars please. Pizzas and soft drinks will be served. Shaharr will take care of the publicity in the department. *2. Installation event. *In addition, we will run an instllation event in SSDL, right when the semester begins. We may wait for version 9.04 to come out, but the plan is to do that on the first Wednesday Noon after the semester begins. We will talk more about this during the party. *3. Live CD and Live DOK. *We will proceed with Sorana, to see if we can arrange that she makes a Live CD and a Live DOK from the lab. *4. Wiki Updates. *I would be real happy if one or two of you would help us in updating the SSDL wiki, and placing more information in it. If you are interested, just say so, and Shahar will open/activate the account, and will do so. *5. Haifa Linux Bulletin Board. *Would you be able to make a small poster of your events. We can post it in the lab for you. I am sure I missed a lot of things, but this will make a start. *Action Items for Each One of You - *Raise your hand if you will attend the party. - Raise your hand if you would like to take part in the Wiki updates. - Raise yourr hand if you would like to make a poster for the bulletin board. ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Party????
Hi Dotan, On 1/27/09, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: However, I see two problems with the date of the party: 1) The Technion will be in exams at the time planned. I suggest that the party wait until April, when people will have less on their heads. Having (another) instaparty is a good idea. Most of the students have exams now. However, it will be good if we have our first meeting on February 19th (switched from 18th) as Yossi suggested, so we will develop ideas and make better meetings later. We have to start from something :) 2) Kubuntu 9.04 is being released in April with KDE 4.2. I have four people that I have told them that I will only change their WIndows XP Cracked Edition computers to Linux when that release is made. KDE is much more comfortable that Gnome for Windows converts, and KDE 4.2 is 95% of what KDE 3.5.x was, plus a whole lot more. However, the KDE 4.1 in the current Kubuntu release is _not_ meant for end users (and it shows) and moving someone to the all-but-abandoned KDE 3.x branch is not good at this point. Also, we don't have to wait that long, when Fedora 10 does all that great work. I agree that the current Kubuntu release is problematic (as well as some of its earlier releases, by the way). We shall talk about this as well. Adir ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
[Haifux] Linux Installation Party
Hi all, From time to time I hear voices at the campus, asking me when the next Linux party will be. I usually tell them that we simply have no volunteers, but this time it's different: SSDL and Prof. Yossi Gil will be glad to host the next Instaparty here in the Technion. The day will combine lectures for beginners, as well as Linux installations and troubleshooting, both for beginners and for advanced users. This day's purpose is to help both students and non-students know Linux better, get them familiar with Linux useabilities and show them how Linux is as easy to use as Windows. We will also have a special section for students and important development tools in Linux, and we will use the Wiki of SSDL to give better help. The Linux Distribution which will be installed, is either Ubuntu and/or Fedora 10. At the moment, the suggested date is 18.2, during Wednesday noon and beyond. However, if you need more time, and if Yossi find it convenient, it will probably be more producive if it we do this after Moed A exams (sometime in March) , when more students can appear, more hands can help and the rumor will spread better. In addition to that, if you have an idea for a lecture, please let me know and we will find a suitable room for it. Any hands who want to help in this very important mission, please join me and we will combine a working group for the issue. This is in addition to a few more people who suggested or asked for such events in the past, and wanted to organize such a thing again. Those who think that it's not important enough - simply don't be there. Linux Installation Party and Welcome to Linux events will be here this way or another. I thank Prof. Yossi Gil, Shahar Dag and SSDL for the great help that they offer. Adir ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Linux Party
Hi, On 1/27/09, Eli Billauer e...@billauer.co.il wrote: Hello, To begin with, I find the expressions Insta party and Linux party somewhat, uhhm, wrong. I've been in several such parties and for some reason, it didn't look very jolly, for some reason. More like a lot of pale faces staring on screens. How about meeting the gurus? ;) This is how it started: http://stason.org/TULARC/os/linux-install.html I don't understand why the name sounds wrong. Anyhow, I would like to suggest the following trick: The student pushes his or her Disk on Key to the lab's computer, and the computer installs a bootable lightweight distro, which includes everything needed for development (including Openoffice). Plus their own home directory. And yes, I know I touch a sensitive, yet fixable issue here (USB sticks). A DoK is not a solution, but a way to prevent a problem. Many students do that nowadays, and still want to know Linux better and/or get in trouble with Linux and development tools. In addition to that, if you want to develop in Linux, I find this extra-hardware solution quite awkward. Assuming that it will be well crafted, this means that this student can now plug this key on ANY computer, and go on working. The data will be stored on the Disk on Key, so this should be plug-and-go. Buying a USB stick for this purpose sounds reasonable for the purpose of programming Java at your grandma's. So, instead of dealing with the problem (Linux installation for all kind of uses), we tell them to pay extra money for a DoK? That's quite a good way to make them leave Linux as soon as they finish their courses, and in the meantime struggling with all kind of problems. We haven't really solved any problem. This will solve all the compatibility issues. Main headache: To make it work. So we're back to the beginning point - we need to make things work. If it was that easy, no DoK should have been suggested. Adir ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] Party????
Hi Yossi, On 1/27/09, Yossi Gil yossi@gmail.com wrote: With regard to the parties. I think it is a good idea to have a gatherving event. I would not have picked the name party myself, but since it was used in the past, why not redo it. The name is chosen due to historical reasons. We can choose any other name later. Does Wednesday 12:30-14:30 fit your schedules? It would be real nice if we could have a Linux event every two weeks or so that time in the lab, and this particular time slot woudl assure nice attendance. Tentively I set Feb 18th for the first such event. Sounds good to me. This is what I have in mind. - Get together, meet, mingle and have fun. - Pizzas/Soft drinks... - Help participants install Linux. - Help participants with Linux issues. - Discuss the DOK/Live CD ideas. We can also host a lecture while helping people (maybe at the seminar room near the lab?), so they won't get too bored :) Adir ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] NdisWrapper, anyone?
Hi Eli, On 1/19/09, Eli Billauer e...@billauer.co.il wrote: Question: Does anyone have any experience with this utility? Even better, can anyone give a step-by-step hands-on lecture on how to get the #%...@# card working? I have some experience and I can talk about it if it's desired, but before that, you didn't tell us what's your WLAN card's model. In addition to that, did you try working with Fedora 10 instead (or simply update FC9's kernel via the update system of Fedora)? FC9 had some WLAN issues which were solved in Fedora 10 Adir ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
[Haifux] W2L + Installation party?
Hi all, I was thinking about organizing yet another Linux Installation Party, sometime in November. The idea is to combine it with the W2L series, so people will see that it is not just good in theory. My reasons for the need of Instaparty are: 1) Hands-on experience. The best way to show what you talk in the lectures is to let them experience it. 2) People will be able to practice installation on their own computer, with the help of a veteran installer. 3) To show them that Linux is both easy to install and use. They will be able to play with their distribution afterwards. I was thinking about a friendly distrbution for beginners, probably Mandriva 2009 which is supposed to be released in October (currently in RC1 and working perfectly) or Fedora 10, if it is released on time. They both work great and most of all - clear from wifi problems and works great with KDE 4.1.1. I find those distributions very easy to install, including the friendly partitioning and friendly use that both distributions have. I would like to hear your opinion about it. I understood that there was supposed to be some discussion about it on Monday, but I couldn't arrive. Regards, Adir ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] W2L + Installation party?
On 9/17/08, Orr Dunkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Hands-on experience. The best way to show what you talk in the lectures is to let them experience it. Indeed, but today you can do it without installation. We have liveCDs, and in any case, the majority of the people who arrive to this event are students, who in any way have access to *NIX machines. That's true, but if we want to make them interact with Linux more closely, we need to show them the real option that it is installable, and the best way to show them that is to show a real installation, not just a demonstration of a working distro. Showing a working distro is just a matter of showing a working KDE/Gnome for that matter... and your lovable update program. 2) People will be able to practice installation on their own computer, with the help of a veteran installer. I personally believe that you do not need this today. Even NTFS partitioning is done quite automatically today. I don't want to count on the automatic partitioning programs. The partitioning should be done half-manual - choose the size of the HD you want to part, and then let it choose to best way to split it. The simple user/installer must see which part is being splitted. If it's done in a hurry, you can erase the poor guy his whole HD, which probably contained Windows in it. 3) To show them that Linux is both easy to install and use. They will be able to play with their distribution afterwards. Live-CD for playing. Installation for those who want, and I do not think that you need Tana' demesaye for this anymore. The feeling is more personal when it's done in your computer. Needless to say that it's faster (unless you put the whole CD in the main memory, ofcourse). As the numbers from last insta parties show - people do not need this service anymore. Those who install Linux are no longer afraid of the process (and they shouldn't). There is a need for a post-installation support (QA session in the W2L would probably make a lot of sense). People would not need to service if it's not done properly. Every year there are new people who want Linux or just heard about Linux and want to give it a try. We need to catch them and show them how it is for real. Talking about Linux won't be just enough. Not even a LiveCD. Every year it's getting easier, but we need to show them that so they can tell and show their friends how easy the installation was, because the installation is mainly the first impression of Linux. Regards, Adir P.S. I don't see my emails, but only your replies for some reason. ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] W2L + Installation party?
Hi Guy, On 9/17/08, guy keren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whatever you do - please be careful with choosing ubuntu - version 8.04 completely broke sound support for many programs i'm talking about usability - not about politics) - and people kept asking questions about this issue on the various forums, at least until august (i stopped looking, since by that time i managed to somehow work around most of the sound issues). i understood that in fedora 9 (that also integraded soundpulse to some extent) - this problem does not exist. Those are the main things that I checked. Especially for beginners, things should work out of the box, and we shall never tell them do this and that, and now it will work. It's part of the (false) impression that Linux get because of such things from newbies who just want a new system that works. As for sound - Mandriva 2009 and Fedora 9 had no problem with any of these. Wifi, on the other hand, had issues in kernel 2.6.24-2.6.25 when it comes to Intel cards (especially 3945ABG and 4965AGN which are very common in today's laptops, especially Dell and Thinkpads). The module had to be reinstalled with some hacking, and it's not something that you would let newbies to do. Anyway, those issues were fixed afterwards. Mandriva 2009 includes the newest kernel (2.6.27-rc5, will be 2.6.27 until it is released) and so does Fedora 10, so they both don't have those wifi problems. Both wifi and sound work out of the box. Regards, Adir ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] W2L + Installation party?
Hi Guy, On 9/17/08, guy keren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whatever you do - please be careful with choosing ubuntu - version 8.04 completely broke sound support for many programs i'm talking about usability - not about politics) - and people kept asking questions about this issue on the various forums, at least until august (i stopped looking, since by that time i managed to somehow work around most of the sound issues). i understood that in fedora 9 (that also integraded soundpulse to some extent) - this problem does not exist. Those are the main things that I checked. Especially for beginners, things should work out of the box, and we shall never tell them do this and that, and now it will work. It's part of the (false) impression that Linux get because of such things from newbies who just want a new system that works. As for sound - Mandriva 2009 and Fedora 9 had no problem with any of these. Wifi, on the other hand, had issues in kernel 2.6.24-2.6.25 when it comes to Intel cards (especially 3945ABG and 4965AGN which are very common in today's laptops, especially Dell and Thinkpads). The module had to be reinstalled with some hacking, and it's not something that you would let newbies to do. Anyway, those issues were fixed afterwards. Mandriva 2009 includes the newest kernel (2.6.27-rc5, will be 2.6.27 until it is released) and so does Fedora 10, so they both don't have those wifi problems. Both wifi and sound work out of the box. Regards, Adir ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] W2L + Installation party?
On 9/17/08, Orr Dunkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's true, but if we want to make them interact with Linux more closely, we need to show them the real option that it is installable, and the best way to show them that is to show a real installation, not just a demonstration of a working distro. Showing a working distro is just a matter of showing a working KDE/Gnome for that matter... and your lovable update program. The question is whether we should prove this by doing one installation in front of their eyes, or actually install it on their computer. We want to: 1) Show them that it's working with their computer 2) Give them a system that they can use later at home The choice of the size of the HD you want to part is the user decision. Once (s)he understands that they are asked how much space is going to be taken from Windows to Linux, they will be able to figure this out on their own (especially as you can tell people once how to choose the size). I do not think in any installation I've seen (or done) we optimized the size (it was more like We recommend at least GBs, and you have XXX+1000 spare GBs in windows. I suggest +100. You say yes? good, where each of us just picked a random number between 1000 and 0 as the extra space). What I meant is that we won't let them work on the partitions by themselves, but we'll do it for them. The feeling is more personal when it's done in your computer. Needless to say that it's faster (unless you put the whole CD in the main memory, ofcourse). Of course, but if it is just for playing, you won't install. And once you wish to commit - you'll install. Playing in the general term... Once you commit to install, you will use it because it's in your computer. That's why actually people brought their computers all the time... I think we can speak in numbers. Each year there are way more Linux users in Haifa area than people attending the insta-party. Every year there are less installees (according to what I've heard two years ago there were less than 10 installations, the year before there were less than 10, the year before less than 15, and the year before - less than 20). It becomes so easy or so unwanted... I think that it was not organized well last times. I even explained it a few times. The low numbers are the reason for the bad organization, and lessons were taken. It still is a matter of willing to help, and not talking in numbers. The people will arrive if it is properly arranged. The installation can be part of a Linux Day, so more people will arrive. The instaparty must be linked somehow to a series of lectures for begineers, either as part of a Welcome to Linux day or as a separate day just for installations and relevant lectures, as it used to be. Regards, Adir ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] W2L + Installation party?
On 9/17/08, Orr Dunkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think a good answer to whether these are needed or not is the attendance in the last few ones. I haven't been to the last one (where Moshik Afia has arrived), but I've been to many before, and the last three I've attended were more populated with installers than installees. Yes. We are talking about less than 20 installation the whole day (or even less). Every year is a new year with new people who wish to learn and get familiar with new things. I also don't believe that we actually organized it in such a great way where we can say that we can't improve it anymore. In case an instaparty does happen: I suggest focusing on installing all the cool packages that are needed but aren't installed by default like setting up the dial up connections to their ISPs, codecs, fonts, rar, ace, etc.. most people do not use dial-up these days. moreover, if you'll get many people, you won't have time for that. If you'll get a few - what's the point in the whole event? You can add a special table for configurations. It's been done in the past. Most of the requests are the same. Let's call that place Practical FAQ :-) I would highly suggest doing the entire installation including post install configurations using GUI alone. an interesting approach. But it will require all the installers to be aware of the specific GUI tools (I personally do not know even my own distro's GUI tools, as I use command line). There's no problem in doing that today. One of way to attract new users is to show them GUI installation and post-installation. No pounding giberish in the Terminal. It scares the newbies away :-) Don't enter the kitchen if you cannot stand the heat ;) Let them get into the kitchen when they got used to the smell ;) I say lectures aren't needed, just have lots of veterans going around helping people. Should we have lectures on other days? Lectures can be relevant if they are done, for example, in two tracks - newbies and techies. Some lectures can be combined for both groups in the same time. Regards, Adir ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] W2L + Installation party?
On 9/17/08, Ohad Lutzky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider the climate: Linux is often touted as easy-to-install and easy-to-use. By whom? By someone who says so in the forums? And what is Linux for that matter? Someone who heard this would not understand why he needs to carry his cumbersome computer to an event to get this done for him, or take specific time out of his day to come in with his laptop. Yes, that's the spirit of the day. You have to arrive, and you either do that for the lectures, or the installation which should take no more than 30 minutes. Those who will arrive with a computer actually need us. Later, at home, they might waste much more time, or they will give up on trying. He is told he can do this at his own leisure - and this is what he prefers. He is told so by whom? Furthermore, he wouldn't want to install a yet-unknown (especially to his neighbours' kid) operating system if he didn't know he could handle it himself. That's one of the reasons why an installation party is needed, and the support, afterwards, although the best distribution for the beginners is not only the one that makes you feel comfortable, but also gives you less headache afterwards. It sounds absurd, but we want to be able to give him as little help as possible. When he starts checking his distribution, he will ask the right questions and not because part of his hardware was not operative. The best way to show that something works is to let them see that it's working on their own machine. The installation itself is part of the support, but ofcourse not the only one. Figuring out the downloading installing part on his own is very useful to gain this confidence (i.e. if I'm going to use this, I better be able to install it myself, I don't want those guys to do it for me and when I get home I'll be lost without their assistance). This occurs no matter how much you assure the people that we'll install it in such a way that you can use it forever and ever by yourself without our help. You assume that they will do it by themselves. In this case they can also search for any information in the Internet and not to arrive to lectures (they can listen to good lectures that are relevant for them). You actually say why SiL is not needed, because it's so easy... at worst we will upload the papers and let them read it and deal with it. If you understand the difference between a lecture and lecture notes, you should also understand the difference between giving instructions and helping someone doing it on his own computer. You don't understand the audience. It's something new for them (usually), and the things that look easy and trivial to you, might not look so for them. In addition to that, I am talking about a general audience, not only about the Technion (although it's true for Technion students as well). This creates a situation in which everyone would want to install Linux in their own time, meaning they'd need any initial support at a different time. For this reason, I send new installers to this mailing list if they have any problems, hoping that they might bring their computer into the next Haifux meeting so someone could help them. An organized event might raise awareness, but installations would happen afterwards, at home. You are talking about some ideal that doesn't exist. I think Orr said it best - what we need is SiL lectures, and lots of them. We can use the W2L advertisements to promote some SiL lectures, perhaps in higher density (and perhaps about topic which are more attractive to new users) around the W2L date. If that was true (for beginners) - we shouldn't have needed a Linux club. All we would need was an FTP server to upload lecture notes. If Linux is so easy for everyone, we don't need to do anything physical for beginners, and if it was so familiar, nobody would need us. But this is not the truth. The truth is that we need to help them to get into it in a better way. I believe that we miss a lot of people who want to know but they are just afraid, or not familiar, and the _result_ is googling everything, without necessarily getting the right kickoff they need. Adir ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] W2L + Installation party?
On 9/17/08, Orr Dunkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adir wrote: We want to: 1) Show them that it's working with their computer live CD. That will be a great way to help them installing that Live CD... 2) Give them a system that they can use later at home If they cannot install today's distro at their own, they won't be able to handle it later at home. We are past the times of delicate partitioning, OSS failures, and ppp configurations (and let's not forget the crappy driver support the 2.0.36 kernel had with comparison to (that era's) windows). You can't even fix a Windows problem (you have to reboot, usually). That doesn't mean that they are capable of installing it. Most of the hard work is the installation process. With the experience they will gain, they will be able to install it later once again and do other advanced things. What I meant is that we won't let them work on the partitions by themselves, but we'll do it for them. This is the only thing that they actually need to do on their own today. The install software is even nice enough to ask you what you want to boot... Yes, but we want to show them how easy it is on their own computer. I have no doubt that it's an easy process. Most likely they won't do it by themselves after the lectures. This is a good chance that somebody will show them how easy it is both to install and to work with. Playing in the general term... Once you commit to install, you will use it because it's in your computer. That's why actually people brought their computers all the time... I know of dead installations that nobody touched since it was installed. And people brought their computer because they could not do it themselves. They can do it themselves today. That's a different audience. Experiencing your disto installation once is more than enough. Later he can try doing whatever he likes. Most of the people who will arrive to install, don't have such an experience for sure. I agree that there were problems in organization. However, if we failed to prepare it in a good manner for four times, I find it very hard to believe it will succeed in the fifth. Especially as the number of volunteers has dropped (even finding lecturers for haifux is not as easy in the past), as Actcom (RIP in the heaven of the Ltd. companies) will not fund the event, and as the dorm farms can no longer be the source of supplies for installation stuff (and I suspect that Aryeh cannot help much as well). Oh. And the farms cannot offer accomodating the event, and Beit hastudent is under construction-work. So all in all, we are talking about more problems, and less resources. I agree with you here. It will be even more difficult this time. No doubt. The main problem is number of volunteers, but that's a totally different discussion. That's why I'm not 100% sure that I want to get into that, although I believe that it is highly important. Adir ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
Re: [Haifux] W2L + Installation party?
On 9/17/08, Orr Dunkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adir wrote: We want to: 1) Show them that it's working with their computer live CD. That will be a great way to help them installing that Live CD... 2) Give them a system that they can use later at home If they cannot install today's distro at their own, they won't be able to handle it later at home. We are past the times of delicate partitioning, OSS failures, and ppp configurations (and let's not forget the crappy driver support the 2.0.36 kernel had with comparison to (that era's) windows). You can't even fix a Windows problem (you have to reboot, usually). That doesn't mean that they are capable of installing it. Most of the hard work is the installation process. With the experience they will gain, they will be able to install it later once again and do other advanced things. What I meant is that we won't let them work on the partitions by themselves, but we'll do it for them. This is the only thing that they actually need to do on their own today. The install software is even nice enough to ask you what you want to boot... Yes, but we want to show them how easy it is on their own computer. I have no doubt that it's an easy process. Most likely they won't do it by themselves after the lectures. This is a good chance that somebody will show them how easy it is both to install and to work with. Playing in the general term... Once you commit to install, you will use it because it's in your computer. That's why actually people brought their computers all the time... I know of dead installations that nobody touched since it was installed. And people brought their computer because they could not do it themselves. They can do it themselves today. That's a different audience. Experiencing your disto installation once is more than enough. Later he can try doing whatever he likes. Most of the people who will arrive to install, don't have such an experience for sure. I agree that there were problems in organization. However, if we failed to prepare it in a good manner for four times, I find it very hard to believe it will succeed in the fifth. Especially as the number of volunteers has dropped (even finding lecturers for haifux is not as easy in the past), as Actcom (RIP in the heaven of the Ltd. companies) will not fund the event, and as the dorm farms can no longer be the source of supplies for installation stuff (and I suspect that Aryeh cannot help much as well). Oh. And the farms cannot offer accomodating the event, and Beit hastudent is under construction-work. So all in all, we are talking about more problems, and less resources. I agree with you here. It will be even more difficult this time. No doubt. The main problem is number of volunteers, but that's a totally different discussion. That's why I'm not 100% sure that I want to get into that, although I believe that it is highly important. Adir ___ Haifux mailing list Haifux@haifux.org http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux
[Haifux] So we're back, for now, and a request for a donation.
Hi all, Vipe, the server that holds Haifux, was suddently removed from the Technion's network due to changes in the place where it was working about 1.5 months ago. The network facilities were removed from the place without our notice, and getting the server out was impossible. Finally I was able to the HDs of Vipe with a permission and move them into another server. I had to go through a lot of Technion's beaurocratics to do that. I won't have time to do anything for this Monday, and unless someone else wants to take this mission - I ask people to suggest an interesting lecture if they have something in their minds, and I will get us a class for October 16th (Monday). Last but not least -- Vipe itself and its (very old SCSI) HDs are 8 years old, and Vipe the server actually showed signs of death, and I was quite lucky to find another same server with the same configuration, and to put the HDs there, but this is also going to be a temporary solution, as I might have to put the HDs back. I am going to create an image from vipe, and a few more people will get the info out of vipe so it will sit elsewhere too as a backup. If anyone is able to donate a server for Haifux, so we will keep an active Haifux with our own lectures, projects and stuff stored in a dedicated Linux server at least for the next 8 years, I will be glad to hear about such a thing. I have a place in the Technion where such a server can be hosted, so both Haifux and Vipe will continue. Best regards, Adir. -- Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] So we're back, for now, and a request for a donation.
On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote: Hi all, First, to Adir: Congratulations on getting the HD out. We still have lectures in the queue, only I (as webmaster) no longer have access to the website. such access would be appreciated in order to have the club on its feet. The DNS points haifux.org to Hamakor, for some reason. The relevant URL is http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~orrd/haifux/ Adir. And to all: In addition to the next lecture (which had to be revised because of the hot topic and long time) about GPL v. 3 (Yoni Rabkin), we were offered a lecture on Free Pascal (by Ido Kanner), and I promised to see if there was interest once we have a list running. So - do we have an interest? Another lecture which might be scheduled soon (should have been at the end of July) is about the Ben Yehuda project. Of course, other suggestions are welcome as usual. Orna. On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Adir Abraham wrote: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:48:47 +0200 (IST) From: Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: haifux@haifux.org Subject: [Haifux] So we're back, for now, and a request for a donation. Hi all, Vipe, the server that holds Haifux, was suddently removed from the Technion's network due to changes in the place where it was working about 1.5 months ago. The network facilities were removed from the place without our notice, and getting the server out was impossible. Finally I was able to the HDs of Vipe with a permission and move them into another server. I had to go through a lot of Technion's beaurocratics to do that. I won't have time to do anything for this Monday, and unless someone else wants to take this mission - I ask people to suggest an interesting lecture if they have something in their minds, and I will get us a class for October 16th (Monday). Last but not least -- Vipe itself and its (very old SCSI) HDs are 8 years old, and Vipe the server actually showed signs of death, and I was quite lucky to find another same server with the same configuration, and to put the HDs there, but this is also going to be a temporary solution, as I might have to put the HDs back. I am going to create an image from vipe, and a few more people will get the info out of vipe so it will sit elsewhere too as a backup. If anyone is able to donate a server for Haifux, so we will keep an active Haifux with our own lectures, projects and stuff stored in a dedicated Linux server at least for the next 8 years, I will be glad to hear about such a thing. I have a place in the Technion where such a server can be hosted, so both Haifux and Vipe will continue. Best regards, Adir. -- Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Orna. -- Orna Agmon http://ladypine.org/ ICQ: 348759096 -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] So we're back, for now, and a request for a donation.
Hi Guy, Yes, now it is fully fixed. Regards, Adir. On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, guy keren wrote: sorry - i see that the A record in the DNS was already fixed... so the site and the mailing list should be ok now (or at least, when the change finishes propagating everywhere). --guy On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 23:08 +0200, Adir Abraham wrote: On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote: Hi all, First, to Adir: Congratulations on getting the HD out. We still have lectures in the queue, only I (as webmaster) no longer have access to the website. such access would be appreciated in order to have the club on its feet. The DNS points haifux.org to Hamakor, for some reason. The relevant URL is http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~orrd/haifux/ Adir. And to all: In addition to the next lecture (which had to be revised because of the hot topic and long time) about GPL v. 3 (Yoni Rabkin), we were offered a lecture on Free Pascal (by Ido Kanner), and I promised to see if there was interest once we have a list running. So - do we have an interest? Another lecture which might be scheduled soon (should have been at the end of July) is about the Ben Yehuda project. Of course, other suggestions are welcome as usual. Orna. On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Adir Abraham wrote: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:48:47 +0200 (IST) From: Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: haifux@haifux.org Subject: [Haifux] So we're back, for now, and a request for a donation. Hi all, Vipe, the server that holds Haifux, was suddently removed from the Technion's network due to changes in the place where it was working about 1.5 months ago. The network facilities were removed from the place without our notice, and getting the server out was impossible. Finally I was able to the HDs of Vipe with a permission and move them into another server. I had to go through a lot of Technion's beaurocratics to do that. I won't have time to do anything for this Monday, and unless someone else wants to take this mission - I ask people to suggest an interesting lecture if they have something in their minds, and I will get us a class for October 16th (Monday). Last but not least -- Vipe itself and its (very old SCSI) HDs are 8 years old, and Vipe the server actually showed signs of death, and I was quite lucky to find another same server with the same configuration, and to put the HDs there, but this is also going to be a temporary solution, as I might have to put the HDs back. I am going to create an image from vipe, and a few more people will get the info out of vipe so it will sit elsewhere too as a backup. If anyone is able to donate a server for Haifux, so we will keep an active Haifux with our own lectures, projects and stuff stored in a dedicated Linux server at least for the next 8 years, I will be glad to hear about such a thing. I have a place in the Technion where such a server can be hosted, so both Haifux and Vipe will continue. Best regards, Adir. -- Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Orna. -- Orna Agmon http://ladypine.org/ ICQ: 348759096 -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Disappointing Linux Day
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, boazg wrote: I would like, on behalf of myself and Maya, to express my disappointment in the Linux Day we had yesterday. Adir, while you did take leadership of the project, I feel dissatisfied with the way things worked out. I was also dissatisfied from the amount of people who wanted to help, and the amount of help that was suggested, and the fact that I took most of the work (physically and financially) on my own bare hands. The most basic necessities for an installfest were unavailable. Power bricks were in short supply, and there was no network available. There was not even a proper screen on which to project a demonstration. Without these, I feel, there's no point of having the linux day at all, The monitors, keyboards and mice were the donation of the CS department. the power bricks arrived from Asat. I took care of whatever I could. A second, very important part, was the choice of distribution. The majority's vote was for Ubuntu - a distribution that I myself, as well as other Haifux participants, have been using and thoroughly testing (for user-friendliness, stability, support, etc.) for a very long time - two years, in my case. I'm sorry to tell you that I did my own tests, and no distribution's decision is finite. In your case, however, you go with Ubuntu since v1. This is your own blind decision. I'm glad that you achieved a 2 years experience(!) with Ubuntu. Happy for you. If you ever want to do an Ubuntu Linux Party, you go and do it. You have no right to complain here. You didn't like the decision from the beginning. Every time you could just leave, and I wouldn't try to hold you. However, the distribution which was chosen was OpenSuSE (which was recommended only by Adir). Only one installation was accomplished, despite our best efforts - and this with a DVD which seems to have been burnt properly (because it installed properly on Adir's laptop). From chats I had with some of the arrivers, this is a known issue with SuSE. Furthermore, for people without DVD drives (and such people did arrive, and we must recall that most people are inclined to install Linux rather on their older machines), SuSE has an inordinate 5-6 CDs, which weren't even made available. Almost all installations which were performed yesterday ended up being Ubuntu, from makeshift burnt CDs (all installs but one were flawless, BTW, and that one had a severely damaged hard drive) I'm sorry to tell you that I had no problem to install and burn OpenSuse and that I did that on 5 different computers. It is not ashame to say that you had no idea how to install it. It is my fault though, as I had no time to sit with you and show you how to do it properly, as I do every year. However, the most important part which was missing was advertising. Everyone but the organizers shared this complaint: They found out about it too late (if they had found out earlier, they would have brought their machines). This is particularily peculiar, seeing as the Yes sponsorship was intended to fix exactly this recurring, well-known problem. The advertising was a problem since Asat didn't make their promise. They promised to hang 80 A3 pages around the campus, and they put only 10, which most of them were in Ullman. I hope to see better solutions for these problems for the next Linux Day. Next time I will build everything using more professional hands. I'm not worried about that one anymore. -- To necessity... and beyond! Ohad Lutzky -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Disappointing Linux Day
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, Alon Altman wrote: The linux day should not be about installing linux anymore. Installing linux is trivial, and anyone with a basic background in computers can manage this on her own. The problem most people have is with configuration. The #1 problem is connecting to the Internet, a problem unsolved at all in the linux day in its current format. The next slew of problems all need internet access to be fixed. YOu don't read the surface. It is still not trivial for many people. That's why the Linux parties exist. My suggestion is to have a linux configuration day instead. Get Bezeq and Hot to supply several (2-3 each) lines with ADSL/Cable connections for the party. Ask people to bring their modems with them. Get Bezeq to sell linux-compatible routers and network cards AT THE PARTY. Prepare CDs with drivers for all ADSL and cable modems in circulation and cable scripts for most ISPs (especially Bezeqint, Netvison, Actcom, and Technion). Have additional stands with working internet connections for other configurations and have gurus do the configurations quickly. A day with configurations can be combined with the regular Linux Day. If we had just enough people we could make an experts panel, but the fact is that we had not. About the advertising issue, the linux day must be part of a greater advertising campaign to increase awareness. It must be planned months ahead of time, and the date MUST NOT BE CHANGED close to the event. I agree about this one. I had the same advertising problem before June 7th and I hoped that it wouldn't happen on June 21st, but it happened. If the set date must be changed due to extreme circumstances, the event should be cancelled and rescheduled several months later, as all the advertisment and publicity should restart with the new date. A3 posters inside the technion is not enough. We should get Haifa city sponsorship on city billboards. We should make sure the event appears in major media (at least newspapers, preferably TV). To have that we must have a gimmick. This year we had one (yes), but the person in charge was to incompotent to exploit this. If we want to have a successful linux day, we should start advertising when the yes show airs. Even though its not that high rating, it is a much wider audience that we can hope for. We need to make a buzz about linux and we need to concetrate it around a specific date. We need to answer all newbie questions in forums or in person with come to the linux day on We need community awareness. Nice ideas. Now bring the hands to do them. Adir. Alon -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 GPG public key at http://8ln.org/pubkey.txt Key fingerprint = A670 6C81 19D3 3773 3627 DE14 B44A 50A3 FE06 7F24 -- -=[ Random Fortune ]=- Time-sharing is the junk-mail part of the computer business. -- H. R. J. Grosch (attributed) -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Disappointing Linux Day
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, yakoub abaya wrote: so i agree : install party -very stupid , configuration party-great idea No, it is not very stupid when we want one distribution to rely on during an installation party. why should someone be in charge of anything ? it should be a community effort community effort? you must be kidding me. Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Linux Day Ad
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006, Alon Altman wrote: On Sat, 17 Jun 2006, Adir Abraham wrote: Hi, I attached the ad which I created for the current Linux Day. Please put it in your working or studying places, if you can. Are you sure these are the correct logos for ASAT and YES? I recall ASAT had a 3-triangle logo. This is from their site, and contains their original logo itself. I didn't find the logo in its clean form. More general questions about the ad, please email me privately. PS. I'm aware to the fact that I didn't write the word Technion there. I hope that people will understand that it's in the Technion as it contains Asat, and because they'll watch the site. PPS. Finished putting the ads all over the Technion. PPPS. Look who is coming to the Technion (and the Linux Day): http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3262883,00.html :) Alon -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 GPG public key at http://8ln.org/pubkey.txt Key fingerprint = A670 6C81 19D3 3773 3627 DE14 B44A 50A3 FE06 7F24 -- -=[ Random Fortune ]=- I fell asleep reading a dull book, and I dreamt that I was reading on, so I woke up from sheer boredom. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] NO Linux day tommorow - delayed to June 21st
Hi, This is to inform you that we changed the Linux Day's date. I forgot that there were some people who didn't arrive and they asked me this question :) Sorry about this. Adir. -- Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Linux Day: Choosing the right distribution
Hi, As usual I'm calling for your help, to choose the right distribution for the crowd. The population we aim to is the average person who wants everything to work properly, with an easy update/install mechanism, easy installation methods (has to be graphical, at least), and with a lot of support (back). We don't want Linux for a specific purpose, but we want to make Happy Linux Users (because their machine is working properly, and not because they can get support every second :). Please stick to this and give me at least one advantage and at least one disadvantage of the distribution of your choice. For now, I am going to check (at least) Fedora Core 5, Ubuntu 6.06 and Suse 10.1. Without any connection to the 3 distributions I've just mentioned, I'll probably go to 3 directions: Linux for desktops, Linux for servers (which will probably be on a DVD), and Linux in the pocket (some live CD that works on a 8mm or i-cd). So, please help me out here. Your comments are most welcome (including for the distributions I mentioned). Regards, Adir. -- Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Linux Day: First arrangement meeting at 12:45 with YES today
Hi all, YES (the sattelite company) is going to help us to arrange the Linux Day. We will meet tomorrow to hear ideas and to try to implement them. You can/should be as creative as possible. You should ask yourself - what would I like to see/have in a Linux Day? If you can help with this question, you are welcome to arrive at 12:45 to Taub 3, or to email me off list. YES is going to broadcast a documentary program in the of July. The Linux Day is going to be part of it. The bigger reason for that is to check society situation in the Technion. For that, they look for Technion students from Haifux and/or from the debate club who will be glad to host two famous people (celebs) during the dates 20-21/6. Those two celebs will be part of an experiment which YES will do. Ofcourse, all expenses will be paid via YES. If you can be the host, please arrive to the meeting as well or email me off list. Regards, Adir. -- Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Linux Day: First arrangement meeting at 12:45 with YES today
To make it clear, the meeting is at 12:45 on June 7th (Wednesday). Adir. On Wed, 7 Jun 2006, Adir Abraham wrote: Hi all, YES (the sattelite company) is going to help us to arrange the Linux Day. We will meet tomorrow to hear ideas and to try to implement them. You can/should be as creative as possible. You should ask yourself - what would I like to see/have in a Linux Day? If you can help with this question, you are welcome to arrive at 12:45 to Taub 3, or to email me off list. YES is going to broadcast a documentary program in the of July. The Linux Day is going to be part of it. The bigger reason for that is to check society situation in the Technion. For that, they look for Technion students from Haifux and/or from the debate club who will be glad to host two famous people (celebs) during the dates 20-21/6. Those two celebs will be part of an experiment which YES will do. Ofcourse, all expenses will be paid via YES. If you can be the host, please arrive to the meeting as well or email me off list. Regards, Adir. -- Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] FYI: Entrace with your car to the Technion (VIP)
s/entrace/entrance/everywhere Sorry. Adir. On Tue, 23 May 2006, Adir Abraham wrote: Hi, Due to Orr's request and the coming Linux Day event, I checked this issue and arrived with some (hopefully) useful information for you. Asat (Technion Students Association) has a special service called VIP. For 50NIS a year you get all kind of promotions, like cheaper prices to courses (academic and non-academic) special events (like the student day), and free entrance to the Technion - for a whole *year*, by getting a free entrace sticker. This is only suitable for non-Technion members. Anybody can register to it. I'll ask Ran (the one who is in charge of the service) to arrive to our closest meeting in the club, if you are interested in registering before the lecture. You can also talk with him directly at 052-6085723 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get the exact details about what VIP service gives you, please contact Ran. If you believe that your friends are interested in it too, feel free to spread it on. Regards, Adir. -- Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Haifux Linux Day - here it comes.
Hi all, We'll have a Linux Day on June 7th (07.06.06), that is on Wednesday, from 10:00am to 10:00pm. What we plan 1) Instaparty for laptops and desktops. 2) Linux Trivia. 3) Linux related lectures. 4) Optional - selling computer devices, FOSS books and alike. 5) More? Your ideas are needed. What we need - We will need help, during the day and before that. All helpers will get all sorts of goodies. The more we get help, the bigger the event will be. The helpers are: 1) Installers. 2) People who take care of sponsors. 3) People who take care of logistics. 4) People who help with the registration process. 5) A webmaster for the Linux Day site. 6) People who suggest ideas and help to implement them. 7) Lecturers. Where the event will be - Bet Hastudent of the Technion, 1st floor (where the entrance of Bank Leumi is). We will have the whole floor (2.5 halls). More? - Food for everybody during the event. T-shirts, lunch and maybe supper and more goodies for the helpers. Those who send me (Linux related) trivia questions will be credited as well. If you can contribute to this event, please offer your help (any help) and email me off-list. Thanks! Adir. -- Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Mazal tov, Dr. Orr Dunkelman
(at least that's what the undergraduate site says, so I guess it's official now :) I won't add another word. Simply - congratulations :) Best regards, Adir. -- Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Linux Day of Haifux is postponed | יום הלינוקס של חייפוקס נדחה
Hi all, Unforunately, due to the fact that that there are not enough people who can help organizing the Linux Day, I have to postpone the Linux day. I will probably reschedule it to March-April. I'm very sorry about the inconvenience that it has caused, and I hope to see you in Haifux lectures. I wish thank all those people who helped the Welcome to Linux series in Haifa be a success, and thanks to anybody who helped and wanted to help planning the Linux Day. Regards, Adir. - שלום לכולם, לצערי, מכיוון שלא היו מספיק אנשים שיכלו לעזור לארגן את יום הלינוקס, אני נאלץ לדחות אותו. כנראה שנתכנן יום לינוקס חדש לסביבות מרץ-אפריל. אני מצטער מאוד על חוסר הנוחות שהדבר גרם, ואני מקווה לראותכם בהרצאות של חייפוקס. תודה רבה לכל מי שעזר לסדרת ברוכים הבאים ללינוקס בחיפה להיות הצלחה לא קטנה, ותודה לכל מי שעזר ורצה לעזור בתכנון יום הלינוקס. אדיר.
Re: [Haifux] Re: [W2L] Re: [Haifux] Re: [W2L] Re: [Haifux] Re: [W2L] w2l - some numbers, good notes about yesterday's lecture and a request
On Tue, 6 Dec 2005, Alon Altman wrote: I think I covered enough about permissions in the basic admin lecture. We can schedule a permissions lecture in the next free SiL slot after the linux day. You talked about it quite briefly, sometimes used your hands to explain and you marked extremely small characters from the screen itself (you probably haven't seen it - but the blue-yellow mixture with tiny fonts weren't so clear, even when I sat quite close to you). It was not really enough even as a side note, and I see it as an important part. Read: I don't say that it was bad, but I just say that it was not good enough. On the other hand, all kinds of kernel issues can be in a SiL lecture, and more useful tips and more basic and even a bit advanced use a Linux system should be given, mixing it maybe with a small teaser(?) regarding Linux drivers. I don't believe that after a w2l lecture they will go to solve even the tiniest driver problems, including loading, etc. It loses the original taste of welcome to linux (welcome to messing with drivers?). That they'd probably love to do after they decided to stay with Linux, hence Staying in Linux :-) Instead, give them more tools as a power user, or mix common tips from both lectures. When I say give - this is only a suggestion. If you really insist on it after all, go for the kernel lecture. Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] זקוקים מתנדבים להפצת הפוסטרים של סדרת ברוכים הבאים | Volunteers needed to hang up the w2l series posters
Hi everybody, (English first, please scroll to read in Hebrew) We started to distribute the posters of the Welcome to Linux series around the Technion. We urgently need people who will help us to distribute the posters and postcards which are left, around Haifa where it is allowed and possible. If any of you wishes to help us, he is welcome to join a _planning_ team which I lift. If you wish to participate or even say I want to help, it doesn't mean that you are committed and that I will run after you. I will execute the team only if there are enough people who can do the hanging job efficiently. If there are few people, we will not do that as I don't want to waste anybody's time. If you can help, please let me know about the time and date when you can meet. I am interested to pick as many people as possible until Wednesday, so we will start doing this on Thursday afternoon. In the meantime I will give you a few possible days by me: For planning only: Monday on 18:00, 18:30 or 20:30, Tuesday or Wednesday at 16:30 and later. If needed, I'll create several meetings for the planning, and will synchronize between you all. For executing: Thursday at 16:30. I wish that we will meet altogether at this day, so I will try to pick the most convenient hour for you all and we will start doing our business. If you are interested in joining, please email me and leave me your cellular number (if possible). I'll get in touch with you as soon as possible. This is also relevant to those who showed interest in the past. See you all, and thanks for helping, Adir. שלום לכולם, התחלנו להפיץ את הפוסטרים של סדרת ברוכים הבאים ללינוקס ברחבי הטכניון. אנחנו זקוקים בדחיפות לאנשים שיעזרו לנו להפיץ את הפוסטרים והגלויות שנותרו ברחבי חיפה היכן שמותר ואפשר. מי שמעוניין לעזור באופן עקרוני - מוזמן להצטרף לצוות _תכנון_ שאני מקים בנושא. השתתפותכם אינה אומרת שאתם מתחייבים. במידה ואין מספיק משתתפים לנושא הזה - אנחנו נרד מפרק התליה ברחבי העיר. מי שמוכן להצטרף (להגיד שהוא מוכן לעזור, זה הכל) - אשמח אם תשלחו לי מייל לגבי השעה הנוחה והתאריך הנוחים לכם לתכנון. אני מעוניין לאסוף כמה שיותר אנשים עד יום רביעי, ובתקווה שנצא לדרך כבר ביום חמישי אחהצ. בינתיים אני אזרוק תאריכים. לתכנון:יום שני ב- 18:00, 18:30 או 20:30. יום שלישי או רביעי בשעה 16:30 והלאה. אם יש צורך - אעשה מספר מפגשים לתכנון ואסנכרן בין כולם. לביצוע: החל מיום חמישי ב- 16:30. השאיפה היא שתהיה שעה אחת לכולם ביום זה, ושנזוז לדרך. אם אתה מעוניין להצטרף, אנא שלח לי מייל בחזרה ביחד עם המספר הסלולרי שלך (אם אפשר). אחזור אליך בהקדם האפשרי. בקשה זו רלוונטית גם למי שהביע התעניינות לעזור בעבר. אשמח לראות את כולכם, ותודה על העזרה, אדיר.
[Haifux] Re: [W2L] unanswered questions
Hi Orr and everybody else, Since I see this as something that bothers Haifux as well, I am also sending it to Haifux list. This was originally sent to the (public) w2l list. Please answer to which list you find relevant. I find it relevant to Haifux as well since it is about the Haifux instaparties, and since we want to open a real discussion about it (not only about w2l), and we assume that we want to hear all kinds of opinions. Please ignore this email if you don't want to hear anything related to Haifux instaparty. Thanks and sorry. On 9/13/05, Orr Dunkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite what Adir wrote, I still haven't seen any true discussion aboutthe existence of Linux Day. If people (especially haifux people) would care to join their voices. I also don't see anybody who is *really against* it. OK, the ones who are truly agaisnt it are known - you, Orna and Alon. SO? I also haven't seen any real discussion about the w2l series as well, SO? Haven't any of you learnt the lesson that people don't like writing emails too much? Assuming to any direction because of the silence is wrong, IMHO. I also don't expect that to change too much, unless I raised a few eyebrows now. I actually think that the beginners series is less important than the instaparty, since in the instaparty people actually learn and implement things. I also described how it would look. I also believe that it is quite obvious to everybody that an instaparty will or at least should be, and I asked everybody to say why he is actually against such a thing. Actually, you (any of you) have no reason in the world to be against it. I am seeing in the last years this very sad direction - more talking and less real help to people. You only talk and forward them to do things. Once a year, it can be different. Once a year, we can REALLY help them. If any of you think that it is not cost effective, not worth it, or doesn't feel that he can really install something but only talk about installing - don't join my effort. It is my effort to help people the way I see it - do more, talk less. If you want to lecture, just lecture. Don't bother people who want to do it alternativelly (the right way as I see it). I am only asking for one thing - advertise it. I have no time and other resources to do this work. Here's the formula to destroy an instaparty - just don't publish it. I actually wrote in my email (if anybody bothered to read) that I am looking to find out if good advertising is going to help. If people do care about Linux and want to install it, they would LOVE to get a free installation, and all the excuses of they can do it at home will not help you. They will not do it at home. They will do it if someone guides them, not theoretically speaking, but really to do it. If installing Linuxes is too black for your hands, Orna, Alon and Orr - don't bother to install. Don't bother to help. Let me do the work. Just advertise it. I will know that your advertisement helped if there was an interest in your series. Why? Because the instaparty is the Duvdevan Bakatzefet. I don't only see it as helping, but also a (good) excuse for people to come to the series. Yes, I think that if people come to the w2l series this time, it is because they will hear that there's going to be an instaparty. Actually the instaparty was the real attraction and the w2l series was the bonus. Now it is the opposite, if not worse. Add to that the bad advertising - and it all comes to bad promotion of Linux in general, the same mistake which we did 2-3 times already. For once, UNDERSTAND what I think about promoting Linux to people WHO ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH IT: 1) Linux makes people scary. It means a different OS, a different method, a different way of Life. Something unknown, unfamiliar - a mistery. If you don't agree with this - you are not familiar with other OSes, nor you are not familiar with people (simple people who don't really care much about their OS, but they are curious by nature). 2) As such, they will not want to jump into the cold water alone. They would like to hear that Linux is friendly. They would LOVE to see that it is working. They would WANT or even demand a real help. A real help, my friends, is not only talking, but actually showing *in their own computers* that things work. 3) Once a year, we have the real oppurtunity to help people and guide them, not only by speaking, but also by doing. Once a year! 4) An instaparty is the real motivation to hear something about Linux. Since Linux is not about theory, but about working with it (at least for most of the users. I'm not talking about developers at the moment, although they are also users by default), they will want to see a real installation. Knowing that it will happen, or at least can happen - they will have a good excuse to come to the w2l series. The talking series. Once again - I represented by own, unique opinion about the issue. I don't force it on anybody (although I am a bit angry, just
Re: [Haifux] Re: [W2L] unanswered questions
On 9/13/05, Muli Ben-Yehuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you're counting, I think having an instaparty became pointless acouple of years ago. 5 installations in a whole day should tell you something. We already discussed that. In this case, 3 people in a lecture, 10 people in average, should tell me something as well, about the whole w2l series. Regards, Adir.
[Haifux] Instaparty Seker
Hi, I'm looking to hear your opinions about the matter. Please vote. If you want your name to stay anonymous, you can email me privately. If you want us to have an instaparty this year, please vote - 1 If you want to help(*) organizing the instaparty, please vote - 2 If you don't mind /care about having an instaparty, please vote - 3 If you are against having an instaparty this year, please vote - 4 * Wanting to help doesn't mean committing to help. If there are going to be enough people, we will create a task force which will organize the event. The more people who want to help, the less work we/you should do. Thanks, Adir. -- Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Re: Instaparty: Choosing a distro
Hi, Some updates: On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Adir Abraham wrote: * Mandriva 2006 Beta 2, Beta 3 Mandriva 2006 RC1 is available from yesterday. Looks like they're going to release a final very real soon. A nice review including simple benchmarks is available here: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/2551 A complete packages list is available here: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/2550 Btw, Mandriva added.. apt-get, for kernel updates. Interesting :) * Ubuntu 5.04/5.10 Ubuntu 5.10 PR is also available from yesterday. Announcement and spec is available here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-September/31.html Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Instaparty: Choosing a distro
Hi all, I was chosen to be in charge of coordinating everything that is related to the installation: choosing the right distribution and choosing the installation process. I'm willing to get your help with that. I'm looking for the ultimate distribution for Haifux instaparty. My requirements are (not necessarily in this order): I) Easy (user friendly) installation, so an installee who wants to try the installation at home, will not have many difficulties to do so. II) Quick: a smooth installation *process*. After picking the necessary applications (which is a seperate thread), what you mainly have to do is wait for the next person, or work in pipeline. III) Updated kernel and environment: Kernel 2.6.11+, KDE 3.4.x, xorg 6.8+, gnome 2.10+, gcc 3.4.2+. Any important and useful application which you might think of - please let me know, so we'll make sure it's in the distribution. IV) Supports newest hardware (SATA, 1394, USB2, nVidia and ATI cards, etc.). V) Hebrew support (from scratch) - needless to say. My requirements are, in general, that a user will not have a hard time when he decides to install (or reinstall) a distribution. The installation should be quite trivial, yet flexible enough for all kinds of needs (choosing the packages that you need easily, etc.). The distribution that he will use should match his computer. Even his newest one. I am looking for your help, to hear what you think (from experience) about: * Mandriva 10.2 (2005LE) * Mandriva 2006 Beta 2, Beta 3 * Fedora Core 4 * Ubuntu 5.04/5.10 * Suse Linux Proefssional 9.3 * Suse Linux Desktop 9.0 * Anything else ? Please focus on the 5 aspects which I've mentioned, and my requirements in general. Let me know what advantage and disadvantage you find any distribution which you are familiar with, and in general - your recommendation about a specific distro. If you have benchmarks - let me know their results! Please - don't say my distribution is the best. It has nothing to do with your distribution. You should think like a beginner and think if he/she might have some difficulties. I'll be glad if you check more than one distribution and even compare between them. By the way, if you have experience with live-CDs (Knoppix, MandrakeMove, SlaX, Kazit/x, etc) - I will be glad to hear about this as well. Relevant discussions will be combined to one (big?) argument. No need to send anything to the lists. So, please reply only to me, and I'll summarize the results next week. Many thanks for your cooperation, Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] W2L meeting
Hi, I assume that we will have an instaparty (details are later in this email), so I relate my replies to this fact as well. Everywhere I haven't replied, is totally accetable by me. On Tue, 9 Aug 2005, Orr Dunkelman wrote: Non technical: second lecture - why linux. FOSS, money, ideology issues. Technical: second lecture - install + network Should be around 2.5 hours. 1-1.5 hours about installing the distribution that we chose (please see this booklet/lecture http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~adir/lectures/MandrakeInstLect.pdf for example), and the rest about net installation - general and specific. Lectures: 2 X 45/50 min. with 10-15 minute break. Except for the 2nd lecture, which should be combined from two lectures. Don't forget that after this lecture, people actually can try to install the distribution and to use it with the net. PR: We need slogan. something catchy good and useful. Linux - the free choice generation ? Open fronts: - Posters: text + hanging - Fliers: do we need them? if so, design+text+distribution - Websites: banners, links, etc. - Forums - papers (especailly e-papers). - blogs? I need soliders. People willing to invest time in hanging (inside the Technion this might be relatively easy, but we still need backups). I'll help with forums, and Technion internals. I'll think about more later. Big issues still open: 1. InstaParty/Linux Day - do we take the effort? On one hand last times were quite a fiasco. On the other, with enough PR - things may be much better. I am robbed, but, YES! This is the only (last?) oppurtunity to check if good PR Instaparty can come together, and the answer is big yes! 2. Distro - which distro to work with? If nobody is against - let me do the final decision like last year. I'll dig my email from last year, giving the exact requests, etc. The more people who join the effort and say how a specific distribution is good for a *beginner* user, we will have a better choice. Please seperate in your mind between a distribution that you love, and between a distribution that fits to a beginner and a beginner would love to: install, try, have no hard work. Assume that the person IS technically-challenge (or real-life non-challenged? :), and simply wants to install everything, as easy as possible. I'll give a list of up-to-date distros later. 3. People - volunteering to do stuff... Instaparty stuff? I'll try to dig them. People - please join this mission. If we're going to have good PR, this will be like a very big bonus to the event. Some dates interfaces: - New website design, operational on 23/AUG (content to be added later). takes into consideration the fact that there are other LUGs. (shlomiA + Ayelet, technical supervision - Ohad) Not only I agree, but also a big Yes. Let the designers attract people. - Lectures making lecturers - needed: someone to manager this aspect. I can hold this if needed. volunteers for managing this, please send me mail. Times: chosing manager: 14/AUG. Writing the lectures: Alpha version - 14/SEP, Beta - 1/OCT, final - 15/OCT. Also responsible on manning the lectures (some of them may need two lecturers, or more precisely - lecturer+ assistant). - Sponsoring: I think hamakor can really help with that, especially with national sponsors (those sponsoring all three clubs). Volunteer to handle this? We also need to get real sponsors too. Regards, Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] The question (lightning talk prize)
Yeah, I have a question for them. I wonder what they are going to do with Danniel Robbins, Gentoo's founder whom they've hired few weeks ago. G... On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Ohad Lutzky wrote: First of all, I'd like to mention that I thoroughly enjoyed the lightning talk session. All of your lectures were great, and I had a great time giving mine, and look forward to giving bigger ones. But onto much, much more important business: What's the question that the Microsoft Premium tech support is going to have to answer? Any candidates? -- If it wasn't for fog, the world would run at a really crappy framerate. Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Never drink and derive. Ohad Lutzky -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] A lecture(s) - Creating a secured server for home/office use
Hi Erez, On Mon, 9 May 2005, Erez Hadad wrote: RAAYON ADIR! (pun intended) Please add firewall management and SOCKS to the list. I'm voting yes with both hands. Thanks, I will see how SOCKS get into this. As for firewall management - since the firewall subject is a big subject, and I already gave one lecture about it (out of two, which I still owe you), I'll try to combine the firewalls lectures together with a re-run (which will include a better example) + the additional lecture which will include SPI, common attacks and how to prevent them using iptables. But, para para :) Adir. Erez On Monday 09 May 2005 00:02, Adir Abraham wrote: Hi all, I was thinking about creating a lecture or a series of lectures about creating a secured server for home/office use. It will be a good chance to combine everything all together. Topics will include, but not only: Physical security, Daemon/Service planning, partitioning schemes, some important notes about the root user, security policies, password protecting GRUB and LILO, different kinds of loggings, quotas, file permissions, kernel security, securing services (apache, bind, proftpd, vsftpd, etc.), some selected services (ssh, samba) and securing X. Steps will include pre, during and after installation concerns. I'll also talk about tightening hardening the security of such servers. Ofcourse, not everything will be covered in one lecture, but I was thinking about creating a series of lectures for securing servers in Linux, and wanted to hear if you like the idea. Regards, Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] A lecture(s) - Creating a secured server for home/office use
Hi all, I was thinking about creating a lecture or a series of lectures about creating a secured server for home/office use. It will be a good chance to combine everything all together. Topics will include, but not only: Physical security, Daemon/Service planning, partitioning schemes, some important notes about the root user, security policies, password protecting GRUB and LILO, different kinds of loggings, quotas, file permissions, kernel security, securing services (apache, bind, proftpd, vsftpd, etc.), some selected services (ssh, samba) and securing X. Steps will include pre, during and after installation concerns. I'll also talk about tightening hardening the security of such servers. Ofcourse, not everything will be covered in one lecture, but I was thinking about creating a series of lectures for securing servers in Linux, and wanted to hear if you like the idea. Regards, Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Rumored installation party
Hi Lutzky, On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Ohad Lutzky wrote: might be thrown. Should I send them to this mailing list, or should I keep track myself? (Currently 3 people have talked to me, I suspect that several more will) An installation party can and should be made. The demand is actually growing, and it's still needed as many questions about Linux are asked, and not everybody knows where to get the answers from. Many people still need a human hand to make Linux working, even though it is pretty easy to install, tutorials are available, you just need to download, come on, it's sooo easy, try and come back later, and all the rest of the regular excuses. Needless to say that in addition to that, we need to grab more curious people, and most of the curious people would like to see how things are done (installed for them). Right now they are hiding, and we need to find them. The only question is how to get those people with us, and the answer is that we need to make a big and strong publishing advertisement team, who will be in charge of creating the advertisement, will publish them also outside of the Technion, the local and non-local newspapers, probably even in interactive news sites (ynet, nrg, walla, etc.), and around the city as well. Last time, unfortunately, we had about 12-15 installees (if I remember correctly) only. The weakest point (in my opinion) is that we hadn't had a strong advertisement team, and most of the time we altered as people couldn't/didn't want to help, and/or thought that advertising is not something necessary. Nobody really wanted to help seriously, especially in this part. Advertising (that does NOT mean being a missioner! I am strongly against that) is an important issue, and must hold a strong team which will focus on this (firefox is a good, virtual example), otherwise, all the good things that we wish to do, will fall (people will not arrive). In addition to that, we might consider to switch to a big hall (some people find it too difficult to arrive here, or are too lazy to come here and pass the local security (kabat) issues). I can already tell you that we have at least one sponsor who said that if we take the advertising and publishing issues seriously, he will us with this. If you have some good ideas about the issue, maybe we can lift a good adv. pub. team. It's a must, before we start doing anything. All the best, Adir. PS. If anybody has something *personal* to say about what I said (you-know-who), either keep it to himself, or do it off-list. It won't serve neither himself, nor this list. Thanks in advance. -- If it wasn't for fog, the world would run at a really crappy framerate. Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Never drink and derive. Ohad Lutzky -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Proposed lecture - the Debian package acceptance procedure
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Anyone interested? Yes. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Lecture proposals
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, Alon Altman wrote: Do you want to hear any of these lectures? Yes. 1, 2 and 3. Adir. Alon -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 GPG public key at http://8ln.org/pubkey.txt Key fingerprint = A670 6C81 19D3 3773 3627 DE14 B44A 50A3 FE06 7F24 -- -=[ Random Fortune ]=- The day advanced as if to light some work of mine; it was morning, and lo! now it is evening, and nothing memorable is accomplished. -- H.D. Thoreau -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] A lecture, maybe, if you like?
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Oron Peled wrote: Hi, Does anybody want to hear a (yet unwritten) lecture about Gnucash: How I manage my money and stay alive to tell the story... In which I'll present a great piece of free software which is not (yet?) famous. Go for it. :) -- Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron ICQ UIN: 16527398 A standard for copy protection is as premature as a standard for teleportation. --- Noted computer security expert and Princeton University Professor Edward Felten. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Microsoft's recommendation to use Firefox
The topic says it all: http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/ProductFeedback/ViewWorkaround.aspx?FeedbackID=FDBK10939 Enjoy :) Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Re: [OFF TOPIC] [Haifux] When is the next Job Fair in the Technion?
It is way too OFF topic for this mailing list. http://www.asat.co.il is your address. Check Asat's offices for such details. Adir. On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi all! Can anyobdy tell me when is the next job fair (Yerid Ta'asukah) in the Technion? Thanks in advance, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ Knuth is not God! It took him two days to build the Roman Empire. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Re: [W2L] Forms for the Linux Day
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, Alon Altman wrote: Adir, how do you (graphically) change the root password and update display settings in MDK10.1CE? Also, what instructions should be given for urpmi? Change root password In here I assume that you want to do this via a regular user. For that, you have to do this: 1) Press the star button, and afterwards: System- Configuration- Other- User Administration. 2) Enter your current root password to continue. Keep settings in order to keep using the root password again is possible, but not recommended. 3) Go to Options, and unmark the Filter System users if it is enabled. 4) You should see the root user now. Go to Actions- Edit 5) Make any change that you wish for that user. Including Password and Confirm password afterwards, for the password change. 6) Press the OK button. If you entered the password correctly, you just changed your password. 7) Close the window. Update display settings --- 1) Press the star button, and afterwards: System- Configuration- Configure your desktop 2) Go to Peripherals- Display 3) Choose your favorite settings, and Apply (you may also Apply settings on KDE startup in order to make the changes permanently, until the next change). 4) If you chose settings which are not fit to your screen/graphics card, after 15 seconds, the previous settings will be loaded automatically. You can also play with LookNFeel options, to get the most out of your desktop/deskbar configuration. Updates in Mandrake 10.1 CE --- Ok, this is a bit tricky, but possible. People should follow these instructions: A) Updates configuration. 1) Press the Configure Your Computer button, which looks like a monitor with a red circle near it, and found in the deskbar. 2) Your root password will be asked. Insert it. 3) Go to Software Management - Media Manager 4) Choose Add, to add a medium (where updates will come from). 5) Choose FTP Server 5a) Give it a name 5b) Give a URL (for example: ftp://ftp.informatik.hu-berlin.de) 5c) Give a relate path to synthesis. A typical one would be: /pub/Linux/Distributions/Mandrake/mandrake/devel/10.1/i586/Mandrake/base/synthesis.hdlist_main.cz 6) Choose Proxy in case you are behind a proxy server. B) To start updates, do this: 1) Do exactly like chapter 1 and 2 before. 2) Go to Software Management - Updates. 3) It will tell you that it is going to contact the mirror. Approve it (click Yes to continue). 4) Please wait... 5) Choose your favorite Security/Bugfixes/Normal updates. You can also choose Maximum information if you want more details on every package. 6) After you choose all the packages you want, press Install to update and install. That's all. Best regards, Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] CDs were sent to compugal
Hi, The CDs of Mandrake 10.1 were sent to Compugal this morning. Those are the same 3, original CDs of Mandrake 10.1 CE without any change. The file that I attached is the packages selection of Mandrake (the file which Mandrake creates in a floppy drive when you choose to save your packages selection). I couldn't make any change to the CDs, although I wanted to add that file to the CD, and to add a g++ extension to the 3rd CD. Any change would give me an installation failure, so I had to stay with the original CDs. This brings a conclusion that the packages which Shachar and I selected, can only be load via a floppy, originally like Mandrake lets us do. It can be done via one of the two ways: 1) While seeing the first, main screen, you should press the 'F1' key, and when the text screen shows up, you should write: linux defcfg=floppy As a result, the packages selection will be loaded from the floppy disk, when the screen of the packages shows up. 2) Begin the installation as usual, until packages selection screen. When you are there, choose individual packages selection, click on next, and press on the icon of the diskette. It will ask you to either save the packages selection or to load them from the diskette. Choose to load them. For some unknown reason, while choosing the first option, it gives a total selection of ~3.3GB, and the 2nd options gives ~2.5GB although both are the same selections and they are installed at the same time. Whatsoever, choose any of the options during the installation time, at your own convinience. Regards, Adir. PS. If you plan to be an installer in the instaparty, first of all, please contact me in private, and 2nd, please bring a diskette with that file attached, so we won't have to run after diskettes (although I will bring some to the instaparty as well). auto_inst.cfg Description: Binary data
[Haifux] Call for help: Last things that need to be done for the instaparty
Hi all, We still need more people to be in charge of the following tasks (if I forgot someone who is in charge - please tell me that I'm mistaken). The follwing is part of a list that Alon made for me (thanks). 1. Sponsors - anybody? Don't forget that we need lunch, T-shirts, internet connectivity (probably via asat), etc. Please take this part seriously. Those who can talk to sponsors, please do it as soon as possible and let me know the results. * Screens * Mice * Keyboards Who can be in charge to get these? from sponsors as well. - ASAT I'll take care of Asat issues. We need to make sure we get electricity infrastrutcture required to run the event (extension cables and splitters). I'll take care of that as well. 2. Network install - Configuration and testing - Network infrastructure (switches and cables) - Network server Will take care of that as well. I doubt that a network server is needed. I am for the old fashion installation (via CDs). If you want a different method, please also volunteer to prepare it, and contact me. 3. Install CDs - Package selection + updates CD(?) - Contact compugal about duplication price - Bring masters to compugal and take duplicated CDs back. Taking care of that as well. Until tommorow I will finish choosing the packages, and Shacharr should eliminate the packages that he thinks that are not needed. 4. Orginizational material - Forms for installation - Post installation pages. We need someone to be in charge of that. 5. Installers and gurus - Schedule pre-instaparty meeting - Orginize timetable for installers and gurus - Define manager for each shift. We need someone to be in charge of that. 6. Web site - Make sure it's up to date. I suppose that Shlomi/Alon are in charge of that. 7. Lecture - Does it exist? - Who will give it? - Where to get a projector? We need someone to take care of this as well. 8. Location logistics - Make sure you have electrical infrastructure. - Make sure you have internet connection. I'll take care of that. 9. Vehicle access - Allow entry for people with cars. Orr, will you take care of that? Regards, Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Re: [IBM HRL TALK] The Pentium Architecture - Support for Multiprocessing Operating Systems
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: Edi has graciously agreed to give the this talk to Haifux, if there's interest. I think that those of you interested in the low level OS details would enjoy it quite a lot. Interested? Yes. Mucho. Cheers, Muli Title : The Pentium Architecture - Support for Multiprocessing Operating Systems By : Edi Shmueli Abstract General purpose processors supply a set of mechanisms to support multiprocessing operating systems. Among these mechanisms are the memory management facilities, protection mechanism, interrupts handling mechanisms and even mechanisms for process management. We will cover these mechanisms as they are provided by the Pentium processor family, and briefly discuss their usage by the Linux operating system. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Mandrake 10.1 Installation lecture
Hi, Lecture slides of today are available here: http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~adir/lectures/MandrakeInstLect.pdf And also as an openoffice template (stw): http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~adir/lectures/MandrakeInstLect.stw Regards, Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Re: IPv6 and Linux - a suggestion for an advanced lecture
Ok. That was his suggestion.. I don't know if he reads those emails. I'll ask him to give it as a regular lecture instead. Adir. On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Sunday 17 October 2004 16:48, Adir Abraham wrote: Hi all, This can be very relevant for an advanced lecture for the w2l. Comments? Hi Adir! As Orna and Guy said previously, this lecture is not suitable for the W2L. It should be designated as a regular advanced club lecture. Regards, Shlomi Fish Adir. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:50:27 +0200 From: Dani Arbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Haifux] Re: About the Linux Day Adir, 2) I was wondering if the club would like me to give a lecture about ipv6 and linux for the advanced lectures. Dani -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Fwd: Bet Hastudent for the Linux Day
Sending it once again, and now with the right address ;) -- Forwarded message -- From: Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:31:07 +0200 Subject: [Haifux] Bet Hastudent for the Linux Day To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, We have a place for the Linux Day. Just like last year - 2nd floor of Bet Hastudent. On the date which we had chosen (24/11), there might be courses, either in the Little Menza (the hall where we had our last Linux Day), or the big one. A final answer will be given about this next week. Anyway, he asked me if it is going to bother us if there is going to be some music there during the evening, and I told him that ofcourse not (music for free ;). So, we will get the place, electric wires, tables, possibly an internet connection too (I understood that they installed LAN there), and publishment. The publishment MIGHT cost us money, if we want to do this massivly around the campus (it will include papers, printing, salary, etc). Even if it is going to cost us money, the amount of that will be very small. Nevertheless, there's even a chance that it will also be free. I will get updated about this next week as well. Ofcourse, any extra devices, wires, etc. which we will bring, is more than blessed. Regards, Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Tested liveCD - SLAX - based on Slackware
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004, Ronen Abravanel wrote: In tha slax I have here (downloaded 2 weeks ago), after the booting, the user get to a console, and asked to log in with the username and password given, and then told what to do in order to load GUI. further more - those instructions are in English, and because they appear in console, I doubt if they can be translated. This is a problem to be solved with the Hebrew masters. Tzafrir, anybody? Do you think that it is solvable? Besides, Hebrew mapping is a big problem not only in SLAX, but also in Knoppix. I'll check how this goes with Kazit (which needs to be upgraded whatsoever). Further more - you wrote that you had to dhcpd eth1. how the user shuld now, that if he connect to dhcp, he need to do it? Or even, that he connect to dhcp? I'll check how the network issue works there. If the user has no dialer connection, the only thing that he needs to do is writing this line. If there's a dialer - I haven't heard from anyone their experience with LiveCDs (any liveCD) and a dialer. What I know is that Kazit had problems to connect properly with ADSL(?) and so Knoppix. If anybody can update me with today's dialer issues vs. LiveCDs - I will be glad. Have you tried to connect with Slax to the Internet? Knoppix, on the other hand, set up the network automaticly for both static and dynamic networks... I still hear problems regarding the issue, but I suppose that this is for Knoppix 3.3. Did you try Knoppix 3.6? Slax is grate, but only to those are experince enaghe to know they shuld log in and run the GUI. If W2L audiance will load the system and i'll see only console - we lost him. You are right, but I actually succeeded to log in automatically, without logging as root and writing that. I'll check how I did it and give you an answer :) Adir. -Ronen -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Dialer and Hebrew issues in LiveCDs
Hi all, Fortunately, I get some feedback, but unfortunately, not enough. Please test your favorite LiveCD, and let me know about: 1) Hebrew problems (if you have). 2) Dialing problems, and how (Cables/ADSL/ISDN/Analog, With/without a dialer, PPTP/L2TP/PPPoE, special protocols (IPSec? Tunneling?), etc.). These are the most important issues that needs to be checked, at the moment. Oh, and I'm still waiting to hear comments from AMD users as well. Please be specific as much as you can. Thanks for your cooperation, Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Tested liveCD - SLAX - based on Slackware
Hi all, I read in Ynet some comments regarding Kazit's distribution, and among the comments I saw someone who said that SLAX solved most problems of Kazit. So, curious me, I decided to google it and give it a try. I found SLAX - Slackware-based distribution LiveCD. These are the results (under the Pentium 4 3.0GHz computer): extremly fast loading (in comparison to knoppix), *full* hardware recognition (I heard a little song when it got into KDE...), down to the little details of them. The CD includes: Linux Kernel 2.4.28-pre2 with SATA support, Xorg 6.7.0, KDE 3.3.0, KOffice 1.3.2, Mplayer 1.05pre5 (with Kplayer), kopete, midnight commander, cdrtools, hotplug support and much more tools which you will have to see for yourself. Network was easily recognized and installed, and I only had to do dhcpcd eth1 after it logged in (once again - cables, no dialer). On a 183MB LiveCD (yes, it can fit to a mini-CD!), it includes everything that you might have wanted from a LiveCD. Sleek design, and ease of use. It has nice options such as copying all the distribution to the HD (to use it via FAT or ext2/3), to the RAM (my favorite choice. Needs at least 256MB of RAM for that. remarkably improves performance), or even to a disk-on-key. Temporary files/saves/etc can be stored on one of these memory devices as well (on the RAM it will be erased immidiately after reboot, ofcourse). In addition to all that, it has a special modules ISO (or an addendum to the original SLAX CD, if you wish), which include development tools and other tools (around 55MB of image). The only thing that needs to be treated - Hebrew (as usual). Same as Knoppix. It has nice European support (many European languages are installed). Hebrew can be installed for keyboard layout, reading, and writing, but from people's comments - they see my Hebrew as , so it needs to be fixed. I am not sure where the charset configurations are - so if people want to give it a try and help me with this - I will be glad. Bottom line - Slax (which is based on Slackware X), really surprised me, for good. The fastest LiveCD which I've ever seen, and in a mini-CD, it includes everything that a user need (without development tools, which are found in another image, and can be combined later to one CD, but a regular one). If we fix the little Hebrew problem - this can be a serious potential to be a mini-CD for the instaparty. Once again, I'm looking to hear *relevant* comments about the issue (comments such as Slackware is bad for your health are not relevant, for example). Please try it yourself (for real), and let me know what you think. Here are some links: Direct link to download: ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/linux-live.org/SLAX-4.1.x/slax-4.1.4.iso Main page: http://slax.linux-live.org/ Download page (including modules download, and the special development image): http://slax.linux-live.org/download.php Features page (spec): http://slax.linux-live.org/features.php And nice cheatcodes (some of them you won't find in any other liveCD): http://slax.linux-live.org/cheatcodes.php And much more... I'm looking for your comments. Regards, Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Re: [W2L] Knoppix 3.6 and Mandrake 10.1 - first impressions.
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Alon Altman wrote: D) For some reason - I have not heard any sound, although my card was recognized correctly (SB Audigy 2). I suppose that it is just me. I will check that out once again and let you know. If you are familiar with this problem, please let me know as well. What do you mean recognized? Were the modules correctly installed? lspci finds unsupported devices as well. Check this issue, although sound is less critical than networking. I'm quite sure that the modules were correctly installed. My sound card seems to be supported and recognized (it found a SB audigy 2 and loaded its module), but no sound was heard. I'll check this issue again. 2) Mandrake 10.1: What SATA controller are we talking about? Is the NTFS resize with a user-friendly graphical wizard? I'm talking about ICH5 RAID's SATA (of Intel's). I also have a SII3112 SATA (Silicon Image) which is like an extrnal controller to the motherboard, and also supported, but I haven't checked it. NTFS resize is a user-friendly, graphical wizard. You need to be really smart in order to ruin a Windows partition. Resizing is done easily with the graphical interface. Check the network install option. Also, check the option to build a special CD with our selection of packages instead of Mandrake's default. I'll do that. Those I will test when I create a full installation of Mandrake. In this case I'll also create a list of recommended packages. Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Instaparty: Installation lecture
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Ez-Aton wrote: I think the attidute needs to be a bit different. Attitude of what? important steps which I can think of (choosing and creating a Linux partition, choosing the right packages for you, choosing locale, finding your exact hardware if needed. more ideas?), Partially agree. Later. Just to be clear - I will talk about these in depth, not equally speaking. Ofcourse, each subject will get its special focus and weight. and demonstrating on-site Linux Installation, most likely with the distribution which we chose Agree. Could be great, as side show during the installation. Done slowly. Let's do this together? I talk, you demonstrate - or vice versa. We'll talk about it in private. , and if we have some time - maybe showing the beginning of an installation from the chosen LiveCD as well. If we pick Knoppix based distro, we could supply both needs at the same time :-) You mean, we load Knoppix and then start installing our favorite distribution? Might be interesting, but I don't want to confuse the audience. Maybe we will show them something combined... Need to think about it, still, but it sounds like an interesting idea. I'll consider leaving some time for QA in the end (please prepare your bizare questions in advance :). Don't. I want people asking about what's happening in the lecture, not outside it. I would love to get relevant interrupts, during the lecture as well, and actually mainly. Still, I might want to leave 15 minutes for a QA in the end of the lecture... If there's enough time. If not, we can leave the questions to the QA special section. This is the basic. From you - I wish to get more ideas, if you have :) I would invest more time in the partition setup. Both theory, and practice (what's to do with it). It seems like the greatest pitfall installation of Linux could take, and most people get stuck there in the install proccess (aka - if there's something to fall at during the installation proccess, it's partitions and boot loaders). The partitions setup like each special subject, will get its special focus. As for theory - I don't want to confuse with too much information given. The audience will simply want to know how to start an installation process, and as for choosing the partition, we will let them know the basics (how to recognize a FAT/NTFS partition, how to choose the right partition, how to create a new partition, how to use it, to let them know that there is no C:\ and D:\ drives but its going like a directories tree, etc.). The rest is individual to the case which they deal with. Don't forget that they will not save everything in their heads. I wish to give them more points to remember, and less information to be spreaded on. I would even consider bringing a computer with already installed MS winxp or 2k, and show them the real procedure of changing partitions to fit for linux, live, as this is the problem with dual-os, and people are frietened of doing changed to their better computer... Cool. Bring it. Let me know what you bring in advance though, so I'll also know your computer's craziness.. ;) Regards, Adir. Ez. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Instaparty: Choosing a distro
Hi all, I was chosen to be in charge of coordinating everything that is related to the installation: choosing the right distribution, choosing the installation process and preparing a lecture (next email). I'm willing to get your help with that. I'm looking for the ultimate distribution for Haifux instaparty. My requirements are (not necessarily in this order): I) Easy (user friendly) installation, so an installee who wants to try the installation at home, will not have many difficulties to do so. II) Quick: a smooth installation *process*. After picking the necessary applications (which is a seperate thread), what you mainly have to do is wait for the next person, or work in pipeline. III) Updated kernel and environment: Kernel 2.6.8 and above, KDE 3.2.3 and above, xorg 6.7 and above, gnome 2.6 and above, gcc 3.4.0 and above. Anything useful here which you might think of - please let me know. IV) Supports newest hardware (SATA, 1394, USB2 nvidia and ATI cards, etc.). V) Hebrew support (from scratch) - needless to say. My requirements are, in general, that a user will not have to get into too many troubles with the distribution that he will get from us (if he chooses to get it), and the distribution that he will use will match his computer. Even his newest one. I am looking for your help, to hear what you think (from experience) about: * Mandrake 10.1 (RC1 at the moment. should be equal to the final release) * Fedora Core 2 * Debian 3 Unstable * Gentoo 2004.2 (binary installation. No compilation) * Anything else ? Please focus on the 5 aspects which I've mentioned, and my requirements in general. Let me know what advantage and disadvantage you find any distribution which you are familiar with, and in general - your recommendation about a specific distro. If you have benchmarks - let me know their results! By the way, if you have experience with live-CDs (Knoppix, MandrakeMove, Gentoo LiveCD, Kazit/x, etc) - I will be glad to hear about this as well. Relevant discussions will be combined to one (big?) argument. No need to send anything to the lists. (Please - reply to me privately, only. I prefer to save the flames to myself, and publish relevant results to the list later). Many thanks for your cooperation, Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] GMail - anybody wants?
Hi all, I have 4 invitations to give. They will be given on a FCFS basis (please reply privately). Regards, Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Would you like to hear about CPP? +call for lectures
Hi, If this date is available, I suggest that we will meet for the instaparty plans, unless there is a majority for 6/9, 20/9, or some other date/offer. This is a good opportunity to continue what we left last time. Adir. On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Orna Agmon wrote: Hi all, Unfortunately, Eli Marmor's Apache lecture (intended for 13/9 - the next lecture) will have to be postponed. Instead, would you like to hear a lecture about CPP (that is, C Pre Processor, not C Plus Plus) and about the proper usage of gcc instead? If time permits, I can also give an overview of good C programming. I have already prepared a set of such lectures, so I will only need to squeeze them. Hence, I can give it at such a short notice with no trouble. Alternatively, is there someone who wishes to give another lecture on the 13/9? Thanks, Orna. -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Is this list dead? Do we wish to have another w2l/instaparty plans meeting?
Hi, Sorry for the weird topic. Does anybody here read emails? People suggest ideas, and nobody answers. Maybe we should go back to Haifux mailing list? I wanted to know if we should plan another welcome to linux plans meeting. As much as I can see, there are two dates available - 6/9/2004 and 20/9/2004. I would like to know if you prefer: 1) 6/9/2004 2) 20/9/2004 3) Another date 4) No date at all. Let's keep emailing/IRCing. Please raise your vote. I vote for 1. Regards, Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Re: W2L coordination IRC meeting
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004, Alon Altman wrote: I can't make it Sunday 22:00. Can we delay to Monday, same time? Alon Monday is OK too. Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Knoppix3.4 as installation CD for W2L
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004, Ronen Abravanel wrote: On Sunday 15 August 2004 08:59, Adir Abraham wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, Shlomi Loubaton wrote: * Kernel 2.6.6 This kernel made a lot of problems as much as I remember.. Any chance to change it to 2.6.7? I Guss it depends of Knopper... I thought that he was talking about a redistributed version. I guess I was mistaken. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Reattempt: W2L coordination IRC meeting
Hi guys (and girls), Let's make some order. Tommorow (Monday) - we are going to celebrate the 5th birthday of Haifux. I suppose that afterwards we will want to go somewhere to eat. I quite doubt that it that we will be able to make it on time, meeting virtually at 22:00 in IRC. What I suggest is one of the following: 1) To make the virtual meeting in reality, that is during, or after the restaurant (not recommended in my opinion. We have people who might wait for us in IRC as we settled, and doing it in the restaurant... hmm). 2) To delay the meeting to 23:00-23:30. We can also settle a dedicated topic for this purpose in #w2l, so at worst, people will wait for us (Orna took the channel first, so she can change the topic so everybody will know). 3) To postpone it to some other time (and let's start discussing about the time once again...) Please choose your weapon. My favorite choice is 2. Don't forget: irc.inter.net.il, channel #w2l Regards, Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Re: Reattempt: W2L coordination IRC meeting
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004, Orna Agmon wrote: I suggest Tuesday, 22:00. Tuesday is too bad for me. Anybody objects for Thursday? I still believe that we should do something tomorrow... we can start doing things at 23:00, and continue later another day. What we already know is that we should meet tomorrow (today) at 22:00.. This is what we agreed in the first place. We can start meeting at 23:00 (setting an appropriate topic about it before), and at midnight we should decide on another day, while we're all there. I'm not sure how many people read emails tonight and will be able to give an answer immidiately. And some people need to be up at 06:30. I am one of these people. Good Night, Orna. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Re: W2L coordination IRC meeting
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Kambar Dotan wrote: P.S. Please make sure to have the meeting where Israeli server is available. irc.inter.net.il, that is. Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] New lectures about BootLoaders
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Ori Idan wrote: I would like to give a lecture on the subject. Take a look in one of the previous lectures. If I am not mistaken, Orr had given such a lecture in the past, so you would better check if there's no conflict between what you want to talk about and his lecture slides. The lecture will talk about bootloaders in general, what is their role, what is so special about Linux bootloaders and how they work in embedded systems and PC's. -- Ori Idan -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] W2L coordination IRC meeting
At night, I believe, but give a few days of alert in advance (I don't mind if you suggest dates). Also, where do you want to do it? Efnet? On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Alon Altman wrote: Hi All, I would like to have an IRC meeting to coordinate the Welcome To Linux series between Haifa, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. When are you free for such a meeting? Alon -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] [HAIFUX ROTATED LECTURE] Orr Dunkleman on TCPA (II)
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Orna Agmon wrote: Next Monday (28/6/2004), 18:30, the Haifa Linux Club will once again meet to hear ronen Abravanel talk about: You probably mean - Next Monday (5/7/2004), 18:30, the Haifa Linux Club will once again meet to hear Orr Dunkelman talk about: The Trusted Computing Initiative - part II A cont. lecture for the lecture given on 10/5 on the same topic Abstract Several years ago, major hardware and software companies have formed the Trusted Computing Platform Alliance (TCPA). The group was aimed at producing a more secure and trustworthy computing: * A computer can check its own security and trust level (viruses and worms could be easily found and identified) * A computer could prove its security level to other computers * A computer could prove it is not ripping the CD to the CD * and many more As trusted computing in a sufficient level to satisfy the above conditions, could only be achieved with dedicated hardware on each and every computer, the basic idea is to have a Trust Platform Module (TPM) on any digital machine. Moreover, the TPMs must be automatically activated, and without a way for the user to disable them. This, however, raises suspicion, as the TCPA companies (now known as TCG), can implement whatever they like in the TPM. The lecture will cover the need for TPMs and the general mechanism of tracking and proving trust. We intend to discuss some of its technical problems, and if time permits the philosophical problems which arise. Slides are available from the same place as in the previous lecture: http://www.haifux.org/lectures/99/ We meet in the Technion, Taub 3. See http://www.haifux.org.org/where/html for arrival details. Attendance is free, and you are all invited! Future lectures include: Introduction to GnuCash by Baruch Even on 19/7/2004 IP injected, inspected, detected, infected - by guy keren on 2/8/2004 Planning Winter 2004/5 Welcome to Linux - by everyone who wants to contribute - 9/8/2004 Latest kernel developments by Muli Ben Yehuda and Orna Agmon + 5-th haifux birthday party on 16/8/2004 Web Hacking by Nadav Har'EL on 30/8/2004 We are always looking for interesting lecture ideas. Have a subject you want to talk about? Or a subject you'd like to hear someone else talk about? email us. Orna. -- Orna Agmon http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~ladypine/ ICQ: 348759096 -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Giving a SIL lecture about basic lyx/latex
On Mon, 3 May 2004, Ronen Abravanel wrote: I wish to give a SIL lecture about basic usage in lyx and latex, for writing articles and typeseting math. (I wish to talk about using lyx and continue about simple extensions with latex) Do you wish to havs such lecture? Yes, go for it :) I'll be more than glad to get an ordered lecture about lyx, latex, and other similar friends. Regards, Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Lecture slides of today's Haifux lecture are updated
Hi, An updated version of the slides is available in Haifux's site (it's the final version for the lecture, at least). Best regards, Adir. On Sun, 2 May 2004, Adir Abraham wrote: Hi all, The topic of Monday's (3/5) lecture is: How to protect your home/office network? Using IPTables and building a firewall - background, motivation and concepts Lecture slides are available at http://www.haifux.org/lectures/98-sil/IPTablesPresentation.pdf and in a sxi (OpenOffice) format: http://www.haifux.org/lectures/98-sil/IPTablesPresentation.sxi The lecture will deal with some background - what happens inside your computer even when you just don't do anything. What are the risks in not securing your home/network computer(s); how anybody can easily gather information regarding your computer; firewalls, and especially packet filtering ones; how they work (basically); filtering specifications (how to use iptables), and an example in the end. I tried to put a great effort to insert motivation into the slides, so people will start to take care more about their home and office computer security, yet they will not be afraid to try new things, in case they have not done so. At least, this is what I'll try to achieve from my lecture and the slides. This is a SiL lecture, which means that it doesn't require prior knowledge in security, and tries to show in a friendly way, why it is good to be (a bit) paranoid regarding your home/office network security. However, it is also good for people who are using IPtables, since this lecture tries to make some order with the (many) options that are out there, with a simple explanation (I hope :). The lecture will take place in lecture room 3 in the Technion's computer science building (Taub) at 18:30, on Monday (3/5/2004). For more details, see http://www.haifux.org I hope to see you all in my lecture. Best regards, Adir. -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] [HAIFUX LECTURE][SiL] Using IPTables and building a firewall - background, motivation and concepts
Hi all, The topic of Monday's (3/5) lecture is: How to protect your home/office network? Using IPTables and building a firewall - background, motivation and concepts Lecture slides are available at http://www.haifux.org/lectures/98-sil/IPTablesPresentation.pdf and in a sxi (OpenOffice) format: http://www.haifux.org/lectures/98-sil/IPTablesPresentation.sxi The lecture will deal with some background - what happens inside your computer even when you just don't do anything. What are the risks in not securing your home/network computer(s); how anybody can easily gather information regarding your computer; firewalls, and especially packet filtering ones; how they work (basically); filtering specifications (how to use iptables), and an example in the end. I tried to put a great effort to insert motivation into the slides, so people will start to take care more about their home and office computer security, yet they will not be afraid to try new things, in case they have not done so. At least, this is what I'll try to achieve from my lecture and the slides. This is a SiL lecture, which means that it doesn't require prior knowledge in security, and tries to show in a friendly way, why it is good to be (a bit) paranoid regarding your home/office network security. However, it is also good for people who are using IPtables, since this lecture tries to make some order with the (many) options that are out there, with a simple explanation (I hope :). The lecture will take place in lecture room 3 in the Technion's computer science building (Taub) at 18:30, on Monday (3/5/2004). For more details, see http://www.haifux.org I hope to see you all in my lecture. Best regards, Adir. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Windows kernel programming lecture
Yes, I would be interested. On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: Folks, Assuming, hypothetically, that a windows guy, working for MSFT, was willing to come and give a talk to Haifux with regards to windows kernel programming, would you be interested in hearing such a talk? Let the ayes, nays and flames commence. Cheers, Muli -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Is it safe to attend the following (was: [Fwd: a note for ee students] (fwd))
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Raindel Shachar wrote: Hi, Since I don't want to be volnurable to an SCO style lawsuit, is participating in the following event considered dangerous? Why dangerous? Cheers, Shachar -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:04:38 +0200 From: mira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Haifux] [Fwd: a note for ee students] Microsoft Research Haifa will give a lecture on the 10th of March from 12:30-14:00 in the Auditorium at the CS faculty. The lecture subject: How we develop software at Microsoft. The EE students are invited. One of the students that will attend the presentation will win a pocket PC. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Re: InstaParty Thought - Buy/Receive the CD or Bust
On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Shlomi Fish wrote: 1. Buy a set of CDs from us. They already do it. However, they don't have to do it. Right, and I want them to have to do it, so it will simplify matters for us. Hmm.. You can't force anyone to buy CDs. Once you do it, you will miss the whole point of free (it's like forcing someone to buy an entrance ticket to a free event). Eifhr. ?! (should I google this?) You assume that the person: 1) will know how to update (including all sorts of dependancies). 2) will bother to update. 3) has fast connection to the Internet. No, it's not a good idea. Yes, it is. There were a few updates for RedHat 9.0 since the last instaparty, and if the people who installed the computers did not update, there systems are vulnerable now. We can't escape the fact that we cannot leave the newcomers at a clueless stage. Cluelessness doesn't work when dealing with computers. People do not think of maintenance, usually. The simple user will not think of updates. Not too soon, whatsoever. He might even wait for the next instaparty to occur. People do not think neither care of vulnerable systems (fact, but true). Since no viruses are involved, other security issues might not interest him (expolits and others). Cluelessness is the default when one uses a computer with a new OS. You install to such a person the new OS and from there he would like to have a working system. He can RTFM and do other things with it - but he doesn't have to. We have to teach them how to install stuff on their own! Many people are able to install stuff for Windows as well, as a pristine Windows machine does not come with all the required components. (it doesn't come up with anything that isn't Microsoft). Installing things is not so hard. Tell That to Someone Who Cares (tm). Usually people do not care about it. It's not Windows, in the meaning that it's a whole different attitude. And if you want to let them get used to Linux as much as they would feel comfortable with their Windows system (assuming they've had one), you have to show them how, and moreover - to have a listening ear (they don't have to listen to you. That's what the audience usually chooses). We're usually in great lack of listeners, unfortunately. Regards, Shlomi Fish Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ You are banished! You are banished! You are banished! Hey? I'm just kidding! -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ You are banished! You are banished! You are banished! Hey? I'm just kidding! -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Re: Re: InstaParty Thought - Buy/Receive the CD or Bust
On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Shlomi Fish wrote: Some installations I've been at took several hours, (seriously), as they were on underpowered computers. The updating of the updates also took forever. And it barely fit on the hard-disk and filled in the partition with zsh and other useless software. And I can give you an example of a dual HT processor (4 logical processors on one motherboard) with SCSI bus, and tell you that the installation took only 10 minutes. My point is that I'm talking about the average line. Even one hour may be too long. Mandrake is a much superior distribution to RedHat. Too subjective to discuss about. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ You are banished! You are banished! You are banished! Hey? I'm just kidding! -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Re: Re: InstaParty Thought - Buy/Receive the CD or Bust
On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Shlomi Fish wrote: That's quite unlikely. If people see that 'Z' is not available on Windows, they don't assume that Windows does not have 'Z' at all. They go to the Internet and find it. We can assume this will be the case for Linux as well. You're way too naive :) If People see that if 'Z' is not available on Windows, they say that they simply don't have it, and they search the Internet to find its Windows version (using some P2P programs ;). They never claimed that it doesn't exist on Microsoft programs, and you won't find them saying that. The best thing we can do is explain them how they can install more software, update their system, etc. Otherwise: Finally I agree with you. I'll say even more - we can show them a whole process of installation in different ways (RPM, compilation, sh, GUI and other friends). I'm sure that we covered some of the chapters, but not in one installation lecture (software installation). 1. They eventually will find something that isn't on Linux, and won't know what to do. The simple user will find anything he needs (otherwise he wouldn't be so simple). Especially in the Internet. 2. They will cause their system to become vulnerable eventually. (unless we assume that absolutely no security bugs will be discovered from the time we install it until infinity). They don't care about it, and they don't know how dangerous it really is. Really. Security methods should be taught, and that's a whole different issue. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ You are banished! You are banished! You are banished! Hey? I'm just kidding! -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Re: Re: InstaParty Thought - Buy/Receive the CD or Bust
On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Shlomi Fish wrote: It's free as in speech not free as in beer. Either we burn enough CDs to The installation is free. The CDs might be free based on sponsorship. give to anyone on our own expense, or tell them that either they buy CDs, We can't tell them. We may suggest them. They have minds. They can decide. Let the person who gets the service from us, to choose what he wants to buy (you can tell him the advantages/disadvantages of buying the CDs, but it shouldn't look like you force him. You'll miss the whole point of the party if you do so). download stuf over an Internet, or simply be content with what they'll get Once again, you assume that they will want to do it, and you assume that they have fast connection to the Internet. So you're saying: fine! Let's install a system that can be eventually exploited for crackers to gain access on the machine and do all kinds of I'm the last person who says that. I say that we should give them a flexible machine, with simple security tweaks. Afterwards, we shall let them choose what they wish to do with it, at home (every case is personal, after all). You can't close their computer to the rest of the world, and let them think that Linux doesn't work in the Internet. However, you may tell them that their computer is vulnerable and they should do more (reading, checking, maybe even use some auto-configuration scripts...) in order to protect their systems. I'll try to give some of these concepts in my SiL lecture, btw. You also can't really defend them against crackers (unless you want to visit them on a daily basis and update their system every day). They should do so themselves, if they want (with Gentoo I would simply tell them to emerge world, but let's leave that aside ;). nasty stuff there. Fine, let's not educate people that they need to be We're not educators. We're spreading the word, or we do the best to spread the word. If you think otherwise (i.e. I opened a hole for flames) - I'm not going to argue about it. responsible and clueful when using a computer. Sorry, but it doesn't work in the long run. It will be bad for them and will be bad for us. In the long run they will need to read stuff and keep learning, or they can stick to their current configuration (some people still use kernel 2.0.x, and/or Redhat 7.3, for instance) - their choise. -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ You are banished! You are banished! You are banished! Hey? I'm just kidding! -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] SiL installing software (was: Re: [Haifux] Re: Re: InstaParty Thought - Buy/Receive the CD or Bust)
On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, guy keren wrote: ienvisiona.freeSiLSlot.filledup...with Installing new software - from A to Z anyone wants to take on this? Ehh.. Go for it, please :) It is more than worth to be a seperate lecture, and not something that is mixed between other lectures. It's something that a newbie might look for and find, simply by checking the relevant lecture. -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] InstaParty Thought - Buy/Receive the CD or Bust
We've already discussed most of the issues, but let's have a reminder. On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi all! I think that in future installation parties we should simply mandate that people who wish to install their systems will either: 1. Buy a set of CDs from us. They already do it. However, they don't have to do it. 2. Bring one from home, so we can install it for them. Bringing one from home is no good, unless they bring the exact distribution(s) that we support. We can't do a choose your distribution party because it will cause a mess, unless someone really wants to try controlling anarchy. It won't happen in the regular instaparties that we have. 3. Wouldn't mind downloading extra packages from the Internet using urpmi, apt, yum, or whatever. You assume that the person: 1) will know how to update (including all sorts of dependancies). 2) will bother to update. 3) has fast connection to the Internet. No, it's not a good idea. This will make sure we can install a minimal or default system which will take less time, and will cause us less aggravations. It will also be good for the installees because they will be able to customize their system and install missing components, a posteriori. They will not want to install missing components.. You assume that they know how to install, and you assume that they want to install. You don't understand that WE are the ones who need to give the kickstarts (in addition to lectures, etc). Because if they could do all that, we wouldn't be needed. Fact is, that the instaparties are needed, and people still need them to ask questions and install Linux. Our mission is to give them a wide-use machine, working with Linux. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ You are banished! You are banished! You are banished! Hey? I'm just kidding! -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Re: InstaParty Thought - Buy/Receive the CD or Bust
On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Shlomi Fish wrote: decide I said that from my message). I said we are going to use default/minimal setup and give them the CDs. The default should have many applications inside. We can't, and we shouldn't give the installee a minimal installation (unless we don't have another choice. For instance - storage reasons, or he knows in advance that it's going to be a server. In this case, we might want to minimize the installation). The installee should have a machine with many applications that we can use. He'll get a fully installed desktop machine, and from there (after some reading), he can choose what he likes to do with it. Given that, your entire message is moot. And installing 5GB takes a lot of time as we all witnessed during the last Installation Party. I don't want to do it again. In average, it takes about a hour to start and finish a full installation on a Celeron or Duron machine @ 1200MHz (I did those checks before the instaparty and I had the pleasure to install to such a machine in the instaparty itself). Ofcourse - if we don't have any special problems during the installation itself (hardware mismatch and other weird problems), and it goes smooth. You can conclude what happens with faster machines or those that include rich hardware features. I also assume that we'll have faster machines next year, so it will not take more than 40 minutes in average. So, 5GB doesn't sound so big, anymore. BTW, my friend who is a newbie, had installed RedHat 9.0 on his own. The Internet works, but otherwise he has tons of trouble and thing don't work. I suggest we never install RedHat/Fedore again. RedHat 9.0 had many problems, I agree. But from that, going so far to never install RedHat/Fedore again ?! Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ You are banished! You are banished! You are banished! Hey? I'm just kidding! -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Re: InstaParty Thought - Buy/Receive the CD or Bust
On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Oron Peled wrote: Just adjusting some over-optimism: installation is very I/O bounded, and disk speed is advancing very slow (comparing to Moore's law for CPU). I assume that we will see more HDs with ATA-133MHz and SATA (150MHz). I have no idea how many people will use SCSI. I hope we'll see more people with smarter cache (for instance, less IO bounds, and more use of real cache, swapping big chunks with less transactions. Assuming the person has a lot of RAM installed. And I believe that we can assume that we'll see more people with minimum of 256/512MB DDRs installed). But hey, I'm allowed to assume :) I do get a bit too optimistic there. Still, I completely agree that the ~5GB full install is a wise decision in the context of install parties to newbies who would have hard time adding software. Worse, the typical newbie would assume that if some 'Z' software isn't on her system -- than Linux doesn't have 'Z' at all (actually, if an icon for 'Z' isn't on the menu than Linux doesn't have 'Z' software :-) Sounds like a very bad comparison, but we should give him what he would get with his other OS machine (let us assume legally, but that's not the issue now), the least. And ofcourse, we should give him much more, like always. We don't want the person to say that it wasn't there (in the Linux installation), so it doesn't exist, or, it wasn't there, because they didn't know how to install it for me/ too complex to install, just because we wanted to minimize the installation time - would give us an own gall. We should keep on some balance (like always). If you didn't get it - I agree with your words, just made the reasons more clear. :) So keep it that way, and it'll keep taking ~1hour/install... will do our best ;) -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] A suggestion for a lecture - How to protect your network, using IPtables.
Hi Eli, On Sun, 18 Jan 2004, Eli Billauer wrote: As you may recall, I gave a lecture about iptables, which covered both masquerading and some basic firewalling. But it seems like iptables is a Yes, I remember that. And yes, I treated firewalling as a side issue in my lecture. After all, we trust our fellow internet users, don't we? ;) Ofcourse we do ;) Firewalling is not going to be a side issue of my lecture. I will focus more on the filter options part of IPTables, actually. Do have a look on my slides. You may find the sketches useful. I just had a look. Your slides are very good and I remember them. What I plan to talk about is in totally different view. First of all - I am not going to mention NAT, neither mangling at all. I won't talk about masquerading but I'll focus on filtering, giving a wide introcution regarding the logic behind IPtables, I'll describe useful commands and give examples as well. At the 2nd part, I wish to describe some attacks scenarios and how to defend against them using IPtables. I'll also want to describe the concepts of building a firewall, using IPtables. I hope that there are people who like chains, in addition to traditional code :) It seems to me that those who are with Haifux for a long time will not be so interested, while the Staying-in-Linux audience can find it very useful. Besides, that's your chance to get a slot before May. ;) Maybe. I'm not sure who wants to hear about it and who doesn't. It's actually a very relevant Linux subject which I believe that even the veteran users (who wish to know better what IPtables is) will be glad to hear about (Google proves my point ;). As for slotting it before May - I'm afraid that I won't have time to start working on it before March (exams, etc), so starting to work on it afterwards, while getting scehduled in the end of May, is great for me. Otherwise - I would have considered to give it earlier. And what I see happening is that we get two tracks of lectures: One for experts and one for newbies. I think this is a great thing. Maybe we should make this official. Maybe. It sounds like a good idea. Anyway, regarding my lecture(s), if I split it to two, naturally there will be a basic lecture and a more advanced one. I'll be glad to give both as regular lectures and see later where and how it fits to a SiL series (of next year). Best regards. -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] A suggestion for a lecture - How to protect your network, using IPtables.
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004, Orna Agmon wrote: I agree with Eli on this point. I think this is a great lecture for SIL, but Eli's lecture was given not so long ago, and I feel there is a bit more to GNU and Linux than repeating topics in such a small time interval. I will not repeat on his topics at all.. There is a lot to cover in IPtables, and extremely little was talked regarding what I want to talk about in great expend, and more that he didn't talk about at all (in my opinion). It's almost like saying that we are talking about Linux all the time :) Adir, If March (the next SIL slot) is too soon, we can schedule your IPtables lecture as a SIL lecture a bit afterwards, but May 31st is a date reserved for a regular lecture (veteran, advanced, new, whatever you may call it). As I said, I don't mind about the status of the first lecture (as I see it, it is going to be two lectures). However the 2nd one (attacks scenarios and ways to prevent them, in addition to building a real firewall via IPtables) is considered advanced because it assumes knowledge of IPtables, its important concepts or at least the previous lecture. What I suggest, in this case, is to give the advanced lecture on a regular date, and to give the basic lecture a week before, just like we do with the SiL, unless people want the two lectures to be scheduled regular, and in a difference of two weeks. In this case, I will like to get two regular dates so people won't get tired after 4 lectures in a month (a lecture every week). In addition to that, before we decide that it's good for the SiL or not, I'd like to give the lecture in order to know how good it is (it will be a first run, after all). If it's going to be good enough, we can schedule it once again as a SiL lecture for next year, like we did with other successful (or wanted) lectures. However, since most of the Haifux veterans have already enjoyed Eli's lecture, and can go to the slides to refresh their memory (no need to hammer that info inside heads), I see no reason for a causing a drought of lectures (4 or 6 weeks between new topics). Eli's slides are not going to overlap with mine, as I will give a totally different view. It's just like saying that advanced networking shouldn't be covered because we talked about it once. I don't need to say that advanced networking is a general subject. Also iptables, in this case. Besides that - Eli's lecture was given in April 2003 (28/4/2003, if to be exact). That makes it 9 months, not 6 weeks... Orna. -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] A suggestion for a lecture - How to protect your network, using IPtables.
Hi all, I wish to give a lecture regarding IPtables(netfilter, if to be exact). Since until now, there were only two specific lectures regarding IPtables (mainly about NAT), I wish to give a lecture for a wider audience - the concepts of IPtables, how to use it (properly), some examples, and alike. I also wish to show some ways to protect your home/office network using IPtables, against attacks such as denial of service, some floods, etc. I will also talk about building internet firewalls based on stateless and stateful packet filtering, if there's enough time left. If the lecture (while I plan it), becomes larger than what I expect, I might wish to split it to two lectures. The first lecture will deal with working with IPtables, and many examples, and the 2nd one will talk more about the common attacks and the ways to use IPtables in order to protect against them, in addition to building a firewall for the specific problem. Let me know if you wish to hear such a lecture, and if you do - would you prefer one lecture (that won't get too deep into the subject, but will show concepts and examples), or two lectures, as mentioned above. Best regards. -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Vipe is up (again)...
Hi all, Vipe suffered from a local electricity break, and now it's up again. You can start downloading the lecture :) Best regards. -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Re: Suggestion (was: Re: Instaparty - Thanks)
No problem. I will do it probably this week. On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Omer Zak wrote: Hello Adir, Could you compile a checklist based upon your experience in the instaparty: List what you and the other organizers did, list what you overlooked, and list what you wish you'd have done earler. The checklist can later be put in one of the Israeli Linux Web sites for the benefit of all future instaparty organizers. --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Adir Abraham wrote: Hi all, I would like to thank all the people who organized the instaparty. I believe that it was a great success and without you it wouldn't happen. I would also like to thank all the people who came to see what it is all about, and got impressed from the event. This time, we had been much more organized than last times, and this kind of organization helped us to give better service for the installees and the people who came to hear the lectures. Nevertheless, what makes me happier is that we still have alot to improve, yet it was a success. I believe that some mistakes that we did(naturally), will not return next time (and probably new mistakes will arrive ;). Last but not least - many thanks to all the sponsors who helped us. I hope to keep the cooperation with you also in the next instaparties. Best regards and good day. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in themessage body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] CD logos
Nice. I'm impressed. Way to go. On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Alon Altman wrote: Hi, The CD designs for the Linux day are available at http://www.haifux.org/newcomers/cd-logo/ Alon -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Re: Forums' Coverage of the Initial Announcement
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Adir Abraham wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: This is a report I prepared with the forums' coverage of the initial announcement: iglu.org.il - check Whatsup - check Walla (username: shlomif6) - cannot log in. Tapuz (username: Shlomi Fish) - check Ynet (no login required) - check So, I have only Walla left and other forums I'm not aware of. What are they? Asat's, ofcourse. http://www.asat.co.il/php/forum Done. I was sure glad to see it's a PHP-BB forum and so works flawlessly with any Linux browser. Your title there is not complete. Try to fix it or make a shorter title. Regards, Shlomi Fish Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ An apple a day will keep a doctor away. Two apples a day will keep two doctors away. Falk Fish -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ An apple a day will keep a doctor away. Two apples a day will keep two doctors away. Falk Fish -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Re: Forums' Coverage of the Initial Announcement
Sorry for the 2nd reply. I believe that you should write that it is located in the Technion, and that it is going to be in Taub building and that the W2L will be in Bet Hastudent. Regards. On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Adir Abraham wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Adir Abraham wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: This is a report I prepared with the forums' coverage of the initial announcement: iglu.org.il - check Whatsup - check Walla (username: shlomif6) - cannot log in. Tapuz (username: Shlomi Fish) - check Ynet (no login required) - check So, I have only Walla left and other forums I'm not aware of. What are they? Asat's, ofcourse. http://www.asat.co.il/php/forum Done. I was sure glad to see it's a PHP-BB forum and so works flawlessly with any Linux browser. Your title there is not complete. Try to fix it or make a shorter title. Regards, Shlomi Fish Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ An apple a day will keep a doctor away. Two apples a day will keep two doctors away. Falk Fish -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ An apple a day will keep a doctor away. Two apples a day will keep two doctors away. Falk Fish -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] RedHat 9.0 is the official distribution of the instaparty
Hi all, I have arrived to the final decision, after RedHat 9.0 surprised me for good. In comparison to Mandrake, The graphic installation looks very comfortable, yet it is flexible enough to do all expert installations. Installing it on several laptops and some desktop PCs, it worke VERY well, without any special tweaks or extra writing after the first installation is done, and unlike Mandrake, which doesn't do restart properly in laptops (the Compaq logo, for instance - gets stuck after doing restart in Mandrake), in Redhat 9.0, APM works well, including all the indicators (battery, etc.), without configuring them later. The menus of redhat look more clear, for a change, in comparison to Mandrake's, and the choise of programs is more ordered and more clear. I think that a RedHat installation has never been so trivial (to the newbie user) as RedHat 9.0, in my opinion. What I see in an installation, is, first of all - the ease of installation to the newbie person, then the choise of programs, the graphical interface, and the ease of configuration. I see a succesfull distribution as the first push to the newbie, and the first impression. All in all, Redhat is blessed with that. Mandrake is, too, but has some problems which don't exist in Redhat. That's what I see in my point of view. Because of those little changes but meaningful ones (in my opinion), I choose Redhat 9.0 as the official distribution for the instaparty. The work on the selection of packages and extra CD will start pretty soon. Best regards. -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] We also have a DJ and an electric man for the instaparty
His name is... Orr Dunkelman :) We actually forgot that Orr messes with Asat's devices in Salsa events regulary. So, since Orr takes no money for his services ( ;) )- the whole event in Bet Hastudent (renting the place and installing/using the equipment) - shouldn't cost us any money. Best regards. -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] birthday celebration.
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: alternativly we can go out to some restraunt for a late dinner(which also has been done before) and call that a party. Much better, IMNSHO. No Sushi or anything else moving, please :) And ofcourse I'm in.. for any of the options which will be accepted. here we are hoping car/transportaion issues will simply work themselves out. They usually do. are we intrested? comments? suggestions? We can always do both. People who want to go out for dinner somewhere afterwards are requested to let me know so that we can order someplace if necessary. Cheers, Muli -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
