[Hampshire] Linux Training

[Ally Biggs]

Hello All

Do any of you guys offer any 1 to 1 Linux training? I am from the Southampton 
Area and am looking to learn some stuff from the gurus.

Areas of interest I am keen to learn about are

Samba
LDAP
Setting up and configuring a server using Webmin or Ebox.
Setting up and configuring CUPS
Setting up a mail server including, Spam filter, Firewall
Linux and Windows networking i.e domain controllers

Of course I will be willing to pay, I have been dead keen to attend the Hants 
Lug meets aswell but have been a bit reluctant because of my lack of knowledge 
regarding Linux.

Many Thanks



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Re: [Hampshire] pcworld southampton & linux

[Ally Biggs]

Problem is your average consumer simply do not know what the hell Linux
is, They go for Windows because it's what they have used and are
comfortable in using it. The average user wants something to be working
straight out of the box they do not want to be compiling Kernals or
running various commands in Bash and editing config files when
something goes tits up

That's my only major complaint with Linux
not everyone is a guru and when things do go wrong with it and you do
not know what you are doing it can be a daunting experience and from a
consumer point of view I would guess this would pretty much put them
off Linux and revert them back to Windows.

I mean your average
consumer does not really know what a GUI is let alone Linux :) I can
vouch for this I sell refurbished kit, primarily windows machines as
this where the demand is people are scared of something different. I
have sat there and talked customers through the benefits of Open Source
what you can achieve with Open Source Software and Why you do not need
a Windows machine to browse the internet and work with documentation. I
might aswell sit there and just say Windows is s**t buy this. Despite
my efforts it seems people are still very reluctant to get behind Linux.

As
for Netbooks you see a similar pattern for those customers who are
willing to make a change and invest in a Linux Netbook.The transition
has to be smooth i.e no problems with the O/S and configuration user's
simply end up out of there depth in terms of knowledge and end up with
a machine they cannot configure to resolve the issue and end up
reverting back to windows which is upping Windows Market share.

It'll
be interesting to see what will happen with the Netbook Market
obviously I predict Microsoft will continue to grow with the release of
Windows 7 netbook edition. Customers will eat this up if its anything
like XP.

It'll be interesting to see how Linux and distributions like Ubuntu counter 
this.

Don't
get me wrong I am a keen Linux user and it is my preferred operating
system of choice but the end customer experience has to be improved in
order for it to gain a better reputation and market share.

My thoughts


> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:59:32 +0100
> From: phi...@stuphi.co.uk
> To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Hampshire] pcworld southampton & linux
> 
> 2009/8/5 Keith Edmunds :
> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:35:31 +, a...@strugglers.net said:
> >
> >> PS is anyone else really put off by the use of "M$", "Micro$oft",
> >>"Microshaft" etc. in emails?
> >
> > Very much so. It's unprofessional (and to quote my teacher of years ago,
> > it isn't big and and it isn't clever). I'd like to think that Linux
> > devotees can rise above name calling.
> 
> Also, they have now contributed code. That's more than I have done! :-)
> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Linux Training

[Ally Biggs]

Are there any meetings due to be held in the Southampton area? I can't make 
this Saturdays meet because I have a driving lessons. But I will attend any 
Southampton based meet as it's easy for me to get to.



> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:39:11 +0100
> From: phi...@stuphi.co.uk
> To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Hampshire] Linux Training
> 
> 2009/8/6 Ally Biggs :
> > Hello All
> >
> > Do any of you guys offer any 1 to 1 Linux training? I am from the
> > Southampton Area and am looking to learn some stuff from the gurus.
> >
> > Areas of interest I am keen to learn about are
> >
> > Samba
> > LDAP
> > Setting up and configuring a server using Webmin or Ebox.
> > Setting up and configuring CUPS
> > Setting up a mail server including, Spam filter, Firewall
> > Linux and Windows networking i.e domain controllers
> >
> > Of course I will be willing to pay, I have been dead keen to attend the
> > Hants Lug meets aswell but have been a bit reluctant because of my lack of
> > knowledge regarding Linux.
> >
> 
> Get to the next meeting! You don't need knowledge. If you are
> enthusiastic and keen, get to a meeting. If you take along a machine
> with you, I am sure that there will be plenty of people who are
> willing to help setting up and configuring stuff with you.
> 
> Also, you will probably be able to see what others are doing. I
> remember learning about tab completion by looking over the shoulder of
> someone at a meeting.
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[Hampshire] Clearout At Jamies

[Ally Biggs]

Hi Guys.

Thought I would give you all the heads up, I'm basically clearing the decks at 
Jamies I have quite alot of Network gear which I thought you guys may be 
interested in. I have various switches, Hubs, 1U Servers I also have quite alot 
of Xeon IBM Eservers,

I also have a stack load of SCSI hard disk sizes range from 10Gb - 70Gb, stack 
loads of NIC's a shed loads of Pentium 3 based hardware if anyone is interested 
in putting together a cluster. I also have a laptop kvm if anyone is interested 
I thought it was pretty kool, ( laptop that fits into a server cabinet allowing 
you to administrate servers)

I also have about 30 ThinTune Thin client Computers, They come with 30MB 
Compact flash adapters could make a interesting project for somebody.

If anyone is interested in any kit or has a speacial request feel free to 
contact me I will be able to anwser wether or not we have the item in stock and 
I will be able to offer you a good price.

Alternatively you can see what I have listed on ebay by searching for 
jamiescomputers

Many Thanks

Alastair Biggs
I.T Technician
Jamies Computers
02380 632198

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Re: [Hampshire] Clearout At Jamies

[Ally Biggs]

If you are after server ram I have a bucket load 512MB ECC DDR 266Mhz CL2.5 I 
would be willing to do business at £5 a stick so 2gig for £20.

Many Thanks

Ally




> From: xendis...@gmx.com
> To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:19:27 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Hampshire] Clearout At Jamies
> 
> On Monday 10 August 2009 12:01:23 Ally Biggs wrote:
> > Hi Guys.
> >
> > Thought I would give you all the heads up, I'm basically clearing the decks
> > at Jamies I have quite alot of Network gear which I thought you guys may be
> > interested in. I have various switches, Hubs, 1U Servers I also have quite
> > alot of Xeon IBM Eservers,
> >
> > I also have a stack load of SCSI hard disk sizes range from 10Gb - 70Gb,
> > stack loads of NIC's a shed loads of Pentium 3 based hardware if anyone is
> > interested in putting together a cluster. I also have a laptop kvm if
> > anyone is interested I thought it was pretty kool, ( laptop that fits into
> > a server cabinet allowing you to administrate servers)
> >
> > I also have about 30 ThinTune Thin client Computers, They come with 30MB
> > Compact flash adapters could make a interesting project for somebody.
> >
> > If anyone is interested in any kit or has a speacial request feel free to
> > contact me I will be able to anwser wether or not we have the item in stock
> > and I will be able to offer you a good price.
> >
> > Alternatively you can see what I have listed on ebay by searching for
> > jamiescomputers
> >
> > Many Thanks
> >
> > Alastair Biggs
> > I.T Technician
> > Jamies Computers
> > 02380 632198
> >
> > _
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> 
> Hi Alastair
> 
> Is there any other place I can find a list of parts like available memory 
> modules??
> 
> Tim
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Re: [Hampshire] Basic Linux Training

[Ally Biggs]

Looks pretty good, I'm currently studying for the Linux+ exam in my own 
time you can now optionally put yourself forward to also obtain the 
LPCI-1 and the Novell Certified Linux Administrator Certifications, So 3
 certs for the price of one is pretty damm good going. Thought I would 
hammer through this before going down the Microsuck route.

Best material I have found for the Linux+ is the new train signal videos ( 
These are expensive to buy but ahem all I will say is bit torrent)  they are 
really clear and concise and cover both exams required for the Linux+, Also 
another worthy investment is the new Sybex Linux+ Book by Roderick Smith. 
Picked mine up for about £20.

Got Debian, Centos and SUSE all runing virtually am and just labbing away 
breaking stuff best fun ive had in ages :) 


Another subject are there any local meetings coming up?



Thanks



Ally



> From: xendis...@gmx.com
> To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:50:07 +
> Subject: Re: [Hampshire] Basic Linux Training
> 
> On Friday 18 March 2011 08:36:03 Lisi wrote:
> > On Friday 18 March 2011 07:56:38 Sean Gibbins wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I'm not sure how newsworthy this is, but since the question of basic
> > > Linux training courses that crops up from time to time I thought I'd
> > > pass it on.
> > >
> > > It appears that the Open University are now offering a module that
> > > explores the basics of Linux system administration, and that can provide
> > > students with LPIC-1 certification as well as counting towards an OU
> > > degree.
> >
> > I have done this course.  Sysadmin doesn't feature at all.  And it is
> > nearly useless for LPIC-1 unless you do considerable additional work.
> >
> > > The article:
> > > http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/149152/index.html
> > >
> > > The course:
> > > http://www3.open.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/course/t155.htm
> > >
> > > On the face of it that looks like pretty good value. I haven't got any
> > > experience of this particular course, but having studied other OU
> > > computing courses can vouch for the quality of the training materials
> > > and instruction.
> >
> > I too have done other OU courses and found them excellent.  This one is
> > lousy. The material is poor and full of errors and the instruction avowedly
> > non-existent.  It is internet based and so there is no such thing
> > as "training materials".  The first unit is simply a rehash of MS
> > advertisements.  It is aimed very low (GCSE) - and it hits its mark!
> >
> > The final test is a test of an individual's skill with graphics and WP, not
> > Linux.  Most of the instructions are specifically for Windows computers. 
> > The one assignment has to be handed in in MS doc format, and you are
> > penalised if the formatting is not to their liking.  odt is not accepted,
> > nor is pdf.
> >
> > > The LPIC aspect of it is not straightforward, i.e. completion of the
> > > course doesn't appear to automatically provide you with certification,
> > > it seems it is something you need to optionally request through CompTIA*
> > > who are working with the OU to provide the training.
> >
> > They wish!   That is simply not correct!!  They have negotiated a reduction
> > in the fee for CompTIA for those who do the course, but the voucher must be
> > bought immediately and used within 6 months.  That is _all_ the
> > co-operation between them, and they even took weeks to deliver on that.
> >
> > In addition, their entirely internet based course is run on so little
> > bandwidth that it was like being back on dial-up.
> >
> > Far from being good value, it is ludicrously over-priced for what you get.
> >
> > They are thinking of running another follow-on course and have asked what
> > support there would be.  I though that you must have seen an advertisement
> > for that, since it may well cover sys-admin.
> >
> > Anyone on this list has nothing to learn from this course, since I imagine
> > that all everyone here can install and use Linux.  Unless you have never
> > used VB.  You might learn something about that.
> >
> > Lisi
> >
> >
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> 
> http://www.freesoftwareuni.com/
> 
> Tim
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Re: [Hampshire] Dual Boot using Raid 1

[Ally Biggs]

Quite right once you have installed Windows, Most Linux Distro's I have used 
automatically detect the NTFS partition and give you a option to install Nix 
side by side on the same hard disk. I always Install Windows first when I'm 
dual booting my systems, Have had Windows 7 and Mint running over a year now no 
problems.

FreeNas could be a option haven't checked it out recently but liked it for 
being lightweight and easy to use, to setup a seperate file server.







Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:30:52 +
From: a...@strugglers.net
To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Hampshire] Dual Boot using Raid 1

Hi Mike,
 
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:05:30AM +0100, Mike Austin wrote:
 
[...]
 
> Following an upgrade of my desktop motherboard etc, I wish to create a dual
> boot system using 2 identical 1TB drives in Raid 1 (mirrored) configuration.
> I believe that I cannot have XP and Ubuntu on the same master drive, but
> will need to have XP on a 3rd drive.  I can have 6 SATA devices on my
> motherboard, so 5 HDs.
> 
> Another problem is that I want the media files used by the XP applications
> to be on the Raid drives, as a backup, on a NTFS partition.
 
Not trying to be glib, but RAID is not a backup. This will end in
tears sooner or later.
 
Anyway, I don't dual boot and I don't use NTFS so I'm not 100% sure
of my facts, but I see no reason why you can't put XP on the same
disks that you put Ubuntu on. Dim memories of having to install XP
first so that it didn't nuke the Linux bootloader.
 
XP isn't going to be able to do anything with the Linux software
RAID. With Linux you can also use each member of a software RAID-1
as a filesystem in its own right, if you are careful, but of course
as soon as you write to it the two halves would be out of sync. I
also don't know how well this will work under NTFS.
 
Would it be worth considering a solution with a separate file
server? This could be entirely Linux, easy to RAID, easy to back it
up to somewhere else, can serve everything out with samba for use by
Windows machines.
 
Cheers,
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Re: [Hampshire] Old Dell dying

[Ally Biggs]

What's the model? I work at Jamies Computers may be able to sort out a 
replacement PSU for you worst case scenario 

Cheers

Ally

> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 20:15:29 +0100
> From: rogermunf...@parussoftware.co.uk
> To: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: [Hampshire] Old Dell dying
> 
> A friend has an old Dell machine which has served him well but recently 
> it lost its date and time which I diagnosed as needing a replacement 
> motherboard battery. Before he could change it, the computer became 
> unstartable. No fan, no lights nothing as if the power supply had 
> completely failed.
> Could a low battery prevent the Dell from starting or is there another 
> problem overshadowing it?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Roger
> 
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Re: [Hampshire] An introduction, a blag and well a bit of general chit chat

[Ally Biggs]

> Actually, the last few times I've tried to buy kit off them, I've failed
to do so. They have recruited a new Sales Prevention Officer. I suspect
the days of Jamies being a useful supplier are now past :-( An
organisation that will not part with useless old tat to a customer with
folding money in his hand is a strange beast indeed.


Let me introduce myself my name is Ally, I work at Jamies I.T Technician also 
heavily into Windows and Open Source Technologies
I can understand with your frustrations with Jamies, You are right the pricing 
scheme is ridiuclous, belive me I have spent numerous
wasted hours banging my head against a wall trying to explain how we are 
pricing ourselves out of the market. 

Currently I am long term sick, But am due to return back to Jamies soon 
hopefully 

But I do understand where you guys are coming and we do have alot of kit which 
would be ideal for home projects / small business start ups
It is my intention to setup a inventory of the kit we have at Jamies, 
especially the server / side of things previously this has been 
overlooked I was told there wasn't a market for this type of hardware not 
naming any names here we all know that was a ridiculous comment. 

Anyways feel free to message me if you need any bits or kit and once I'm back 
to work I will be able to give you the heads up on what we 
have and give you a proper price :) 



Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 21:25:57 +
From: bryn.jon...@gmail.com
To: l...@beer.org.uk; hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Hampshire] An introduction, a blag and well a bit of general chit 
chat


  



  
  
This is similar to what I was alluding to. 



I in no way wish to put them down (that's not my place). I went
there to offer my l33t skillz as a volunteer and came away feeling
like what I just saw was a company that is defined as a social
enterprise yet seems to be using volunteers to refurb machines
they'd been given free to sell at inflated prices to fund their
other projects/coffers (many of which I believe provide some very
valid services). I understand they 'need' to make money, but I felt
uncomfortable ethically.



All this said I had a question about a licence required for the
recycling of PC's  - I love this you have to get a licence from the
Environment Agency to confirm you are not producing waste (well
along those lines) this licence is over £1000, don't even get
into 'waste transportation' - picking up PC's to recycle it makes me
cry big tears!!!. Anyway I dropped Jamies an E-Mail about it (I was
based in Poole at the time and wanted to look at doing a similar
project). The CEO got back to me reasonably quickly and was very
helpful. Kudos to him!!.



I'm not planning to get to their scale I'm grass roots. I like
grass roots. I also am an (ageing) punkrocker. We do things DIY
we always have and we do it well and with ethics at the core, and we
have silly hair. The drugs project I'm involved in is punkrock and
NHS (I believe! I don't ask where the fundings coming from!!!)
funded!, but before it got funding it was run on giro's.



Anyway. Anyone got any kit they don't need, want, think is
useless. I'm here!! Anyone that wants to talk to me about
business and setting up CIC's please do! Anyone want to offer some
time (when I get some sessions running!!!) say Hi. Anyone got a
cordless phone they don't need I'd really be pleased!!! Hopping to
the wired phone I have is uh irritating and I'm always too late
to pick it up



Anyone wants to laugh at my website (hey for 5 mins work its not
that bad!!) -

http://www.http-420.co.uk/
note this was gained through gbbo and forces you to use their
hideous flash based site builder! (I'm guessing there is a way round
this but I haven't had 10 mins to look at it!!). But gbbo is an ace
idea domain name and hosting













On 24/03/12 20:54, Vic wrote:

  
  
However, since it seems not, it's perhaps worth mentioning that the list
has an association with Jamies that goes back many years, although we've
not heard much about them of late save for the odd post that ends
something like: "If no one wants any of this kit it'll eventually find
its way to Jamies."

  
  Hmmm. We had an association with Jamies. Jamies has changed quite a bit
recently. Much of the management has changed, many of the staff have
changed. It's not the same place anymore...


  
Not that it will necessarily present a problem, but just that you may
find yourself in competition with them for donated kit. On the other
hand you may find them to be a useful resource for cheap spares if and
when donations fail to come up with a component you need.

  
  Actually, the last few times I've tried to buy kit off them, I've failed
to

Re: [Hampshire] An introduction, a blag and well a bit of general chit chat

[Ally Biggs]

Well once I return to work I will try and give you guys more of a heads up of 
any interesting kit we have in, I am a bit worried though before I went off 
sick there was a pallet of Sun Microsystems gear I just hope it's still there 
when I get back and hasn't been junked. I agree with the inflated prices 
comment, I was put in charge of sales for 2 weeks and covered that area first 
thing I did was made the prices alot more realistic, the first week of doing 
that was the most sucessful week we have ever had at Jamies made over 6k in a 
week. Unfortuantley the prices returned to a unrealistic level once I was told 
to carry out my normal day to day duties. 

But if anyone is interested in any kit then feel free to contact me give me a 
idea of the kind of thing you are looking for and I will take it to my boss and 
ensure that the pricing is fair and realistic, I will inform the LUG once I am 
back at work.

Bryn you may have met me in the past at Jamies :) and I like the idea of what 
you are trying to do 

Vic did you try and buy something when I wasn't there? I had some negative 
feedback from another customer whilst I was on annual leave, Apparently he came 
down to Jamies and was told that he
couldn't purchase any memory which I was told about on my return and found the 
whole scenario ridiculous, as I said before if you need anything in future give 
me the heads up 

Many Thanks



> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 00:25:29 +
> From: bjo...@riseup.net
> To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Hampshire] An introduction, a blag and well a bit of general 
> chit chat
> 
> On 24/03/12 23:22, hants...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday 24 March 2012 21:25:57 Bryn Jones wrote:
> >> seems
> >> to be using volunteers to refurb machines they'd been given free to sell
> >> at inflated prices
> > Last time I read the emails they used to send me, they were charging to 
> > accept
> > the donated gear, and were acceepting only stuff that I find it hard to
> > imagine anyone getting rid of.  Yes, I fear that I grew disillusioned with
> > Jamie's a while ago.  It was super at first!!
> >
> > Lisi
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Re: [Hampshire] An introduction, a blag and well a bit of general chit chat

[Ally Biggs]

I have always been highly interested in Business and the whole Open Source 
Ethos, I hate waste, hate chucking kit out I guess part of me has always wanted 
to get a business off the ground. but I 
want to be able to give something back to people wether it will be Linux / Open 
Source training / Cost effective machines / hardware training and diagnostics

I'm always keen to learn new stuff, have a passion for Linux, orignally came 
from a Windows background grew up using 3.1 thesedays I Keep my options open 
and use both Windows and Linux both 
have there strengths and merits I'm not one of these people who sticks to one 
Operating System sure Microsoft has it's anal ways of doing things and I grew 
up having to put up with the Whole
ME, Vista, Hell but with newer versions of Windows such as 7 and 2008 R2, 
Things have come on leaps and bounds, Especially with Server 2k8 R2 and setting 
it up without a GUI ( Server Core) and using Powershell to administrate the 
system I kind of think Microsoft are changing there approach, Although Server 8 
and it's Metro interface is horrendous :) NO GUI please :) and the cost of 
deploying Windows in the enterpise is still very expensive.

Linux to me is a Swish Army knife I like how you can customize it to suit your 
needs, remove any additional bloat Specilaize the Distribution to suit your 
needs wether it will be Server setup or a media station. When I first was 
introduced to Linux a few years ago, I will not lie my intial reaction was " 
Linux wtf is Linux? " then it has been a love affair ever since :) 

Making the initial transition from Windows to linux for me was a very daunting 
experience, Linux felt very alien to me I had to change the way I thought about 
using the Operating System yep I actually had to engage my brain cells and 
think :), I remember the days of being first faced with a terminal window and 
learning basic concepts such as command line navigation, package management 
basic commands such as LS, GREP, TOUCH, How to | commands, enviornment 
variables, run levels, how the file system is laid out, 


I'm not a Linux wizard today, Everything I have learnt has been self taught and 
I continue everyday to develop my skillbase right now my distribution of choice 
is CentOS, If anyone is new to Linux then you can't go wrong with the following 
materials and of course plenty of hands on time. These resources would be very 
useful to anyone new to the LUG

UNIX AND LINUX SYSTEM ADMINISTRATION HANDBOOK - FOURTH EDITION ( One of the 
most informative books I have read)

COMPTIA LINUX+ COMPLETE STUDY GUIDE - Roderick Smith

Train Signal LINUX+ Videos - Very informative teaches you the basics and how to 
BASH Script


So that is the history of myself :), I am highly interested in continuing the 
development of my Nix skills, and am highly interested in any business 
opportunities or projects you guys propose I am keen to learn, very driven and 
very ambitious and would love to learn more from the Linux gurus.

Lastly has anyone picked up a Raspeberry Pi yet? me want want want 






> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 08:18:42 +0100
> From: james.dut...@gmail.com
> To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Hampshire] An introduction, a blag and well a bit of general 
> chit chat
> 
> On 24 March 2012 21:25, Bryn Jones  wrote:
> >
> > Anyway. Anyone got any kit they don't need, want, think is useless.
> > I'm here!! Anyone that wants to talk to me about business and setting up
> > CIC's please do! Anyone want to offer some time (when I get some sessions
> > running!!!) say Hi. Anyone got a cordless phone they don't need I'd really
> > be pleased!!! Hopping to the wired phone I have is uh irritating and I'm
> > always too late to pick it up
> >
> 
> Just out of interest, at work they have a purchasing policy.
> Each piece of computing equipment they purchase must have a full cycle
> cost associated with it.
> I.e. Purchase, support and disposal.
> The problem with this, is it normally means that the equipment then
> goes back to the manufacturer or sent to approved destruction center.
> They are then not allowed to "recycle" the laptop in the sense of
> giving it to someone else who can still make use of it, or give it to
> the employee for home use. The reason being, that they then cannot
> assure that it will eventually be sent to approved destruction center
> when the time comes.
> 
> How would you get round these sorts of problems?
> I think that if you could build up some sort of arrangement with the
> "approved destruction center", you might then get all the equipment
> you need for very little effort. It would probably be something like,
> they might lend you the PC for an extra year or two, but you have to
> eventually return it when you or your users cannot make use of it
> anymore.
> The trouble is, that is just more work for the destruction center, so
> I cannot see why they would help you.
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> James
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Re: [Hampshire] An introduction, a blag and well a bit of general chit chat

[Ally Biggs]

We use blannco works out about £1.30 to wipe a hard disk 

http://www.blancco.com/uk/benefits/most-certified-data-erasure/



> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 17:22:45 +0100
> From: bjo...@riseup.net
> To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Hampshire] An introduction, a blag and well a bit of general 
> chit chat
> 
> Yeah there's a note on my todo list about writing a data destruction 
> policy!!! AFAIK dban works and has been certified by someone or other 
> cleverer than me.
> 
> I believe Jamies use a paid for tool (paid per use not by single 
> licence!!!) as part of an agreement with a supplier of PC's to them.
> 
> On 25/03/12 16:48, hants...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday 25 March 2012 16:36:23 Bryn wrote:
> >>   Why is your company's policy this??? dban'll wipe a disk. an old
> >> phone can be reset. WEEE by any chance?
> > That, and the horror stories they have heard.
> >
> > Lisi
> >
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Re: [Hampshire] Is my HDD on the way out?

[Ally Biggs]

If you can obtain the program  GRC Spinright run that on your Drive that will 
give you a idea of wether or not it's on it's way out or faulty :)


From: ichaud...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:25:45 +0100
To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Hampshire] Is my HDD on the way out?

Interesting, many thanks. I will try the read test as you suggest.
My current HDD was cloned from the previous similar model which exhibited 
similar systems before refusing to boot. Luckily the problems on the old HDD 
were intermittent. I managed to get both new and old HDD online via 
SystemrescueCD and used dd if= of= - 

Would that somehow "transfer" badblock info? Should I have used Clonezilla 
instead or something? The HDDs are WD Caviar Blue 500G and I have had a 
generally good experience with this brand over the likes of Maxtor, Samsung etc.



On 25 March 2012 14:41, Simon Iremonger (lugs)  wrote:


On 2012-03-24 20:53, Imran Chaudhry wrote:

> Is my HDD on the way out? I recently observed errors such as those in

> screenshot here, it seems to happen intermittently:

> http://db.tt/QEQa7Pxj

> As it is a relatively new HDD, I replaced the SATA cable just to be sure

> and months passed with no errors until the above which happened about week



That message *usually* happens due to read-sector errors

  -- i.e. sectors on the disk that aren't able to read properly.

  Of course it *could* be some interface/driver bug but I

  don't expect so given the error and my experience.



This is actually quite normal -- go read about 'grown defects'.

I have had many cases of new-ish hard-disks with 'grown defects'

  as well as old disks that are actually failing, etc.



I used to minimize this problem a lot by doing a full read/write

  test on new hard disks before using them.  This would have the

  effect of causing many iffy sectors to be 'mapped out' early

  on, rather than finding these things out later.







You can *read test* your disk with a command like

  'badblocks -vs /dev/sda' ran as root (or with sudo).

This can be very useful to 'test' if you *currently*

  have any unreadable sectors.  It simply reads every

  single sector on  /dev/sda  drive.



WARNING:  Do not use the  -w or -n  options if you

  don't know what you are doing.  -w  wipes the drive!



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Re: [Hampshire] Custom-built PCs

[Ally Biggs]

Can't go wrong with the intel i5-2500k will handle any game you throw at it, 
can clock it up to 4.5ghz on stock no need for the i7 when you can do this, use 
the money you would of saved and get a decent graphics card. I haven't had good 
experiences of Amds latest offerings especially the bulldozer range intel is 
the way to go Amd have gone downhill :) 

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On 2 Apr 2012, at 10:34, "Ian Park"  wrote:

> A few years back, on a recommendation from someone on this list (sorry, can't 
> remember who), I bought a custom-built PC from a company called Vadim. At the 
> time I bought it, it was pretty high spec: 2x 2GHz dual core Opteron CPUs, 
> 4GB RAM, 640MB RAM on the graphics card, 150GB + 2x 320GB hard drives, 
> T-Balancer temperature sensor + fan controller subsystem... I've done some 
> upgrading: added another 4GB RAM, swapped out the graphics card for one with 
> 1GB RAM, added another 3x 320GB HDD to make a RAID5 array; but I'm wondering 
> whether to go for a fresh system with faster processors. Unfortunately, Vadim 
> have gone out of business. Does anyone know of a similar company they'd trust 
> to do a decent job of building a similar system but with a more up-to-date 
> (spelled f - a - s - t - e - r!) processor etc?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> 
> Ian
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Re: [Hampshire] Domain type authentication using Linux as "domain" server

[Ally Biggs]

Windows 7 is easy to deploy on a mass scale if you utilise technologies such as 
the WAIK and wimpe to automate the whole process. or if you have a windows 
server setup WDS or RIS and you can hammer out automated install images allay 
long quickly and without user input. as for the domain controller depends what 
money the company has if the purse strings are tight then I would use Linux. 
And setup domain authentication via LDAP, web min is supposed to be good for 
undertaking such tasks might be worth researching or I would go the hardcore 
way and learn how to integrate Linux with windows from scratch 

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On 7 Apr 2012, at 13:20, "Bryn Jones"  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm bouncing round London and having done some work for a charity while I'm 
> here I have an idea to sort out something out for them.
> 
> They have a windoze network (without domain just workgroup) with (now) about 
> 12 windoze 7 (oh god it was painful installing those!!!) client machines, 
> acting as standalone workstations.
> 
> I'd like to implement a domain type infrastructure for them. but of 
> course without Windoze SBS (barf). Mainly for authentication - Sit at any 
> machine on LAN and log in as yourself, get your stuff.
> 
> I have some ideas but they're not great!!! (all my others are awesome of 
> course).
> 
> Thoughts?, suggestions?, general derision?, want to look at my cute dog?.
> 
> Cheers
> Bryn (whose flat is being refurbed and is squatting in Hackney)
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Re: [Hampshire] Domain type authentication using Linux as 'domain' server

[Ally Biggs]

sme server is free and worth a look at if you want a easy way to setup a dc 
using Linux then you can't go wrong. 

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On 7 Apr 2012, at 16:15, "Jan Henkins"  wrote:

> Hello Bryn,
> 
> On Sat, April 7, 2012 15:36, Bryn Jones wrote:
>> 1 & 2 are core. You seem to have grasped my needs. They cloud Email so
>> thats all cool. I'll work on calendaring next :)
>> 
>> GPO is nil priority (too small a network to need it).
> 
> OK then, you're in luck. You will find that there are tons of
> documentation that can help in this regard. I have used the OpenLDAP/Samba
> integration route in the nebulous past, so it works extremely well as an
> "NT4" style domain controller. I am aware of other methods that mimics
> Active Directory much closer, but cannot vouch for them myself. I'm not
> sure whether Windows 7 Pro actually supports NT4 style domain logins
> anymore, so you will have to do some checking.
> 
> Anyhoo, here are two links that caught my fancy during a quick Google (and
> in fact it's merely the tip of the iceberg):
> 
> If you are Ubuntu-inclined:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/serverguide/C/samba-dc.html
> 
> If Fedora warms your cockles (this is a forum where people are discussing
> the topic):
> http://linux.bigresource.com/Fedora-Servers-How-to-Replace-windows-Domain-Controller-with-Samba-TZfrRixLw.html
> 
> I am aware of some commercially available solutions based on Samba, but
> cannot remember it at the moment. It could be worth your while to have a
> look at the commercially supported route, especially because this is a
> charity.
> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Domain type authentication using Linux as "domain" server

[Ally Biggs]

I agree with Stuart I have had a lot of experiences of Linux users slating 
windows or calling it windozes and stupid names, And you are right it does make 
people unwelcome. Linux and windows both bring something unique to the table 
both have there pros and cons. linux for the server side and windows for the 
home. Linux will never be as big as windows for home use you only have to look 
at microsofts market share to see this. and hey if learning about Microsoft 
enables me to better my wages then so be it I will continue to learn and 
support both I wish people would not be so anal about linux yes it is more 
stable and yes it can be run on a variety of different hardware yes it can be a 
pain in the ass making the transition from windows to Nix, and it doesn't help 
when the majority of Linux communities are full of god like beings who expect 
you to be some kind of terminal / programming guru, Sometimes I don't want to 
spend days reading outdated documentation and guides on how to set up a domain 
controller why waste all that time when I can click one button in ms products. 
sure I've setup a dc the open source way but by the time a newbie like myself 
did it Microsoft would of broke that version of samba lol 

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On 8 Apr 2012, at 11:19, "Stuart Sears"  wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 13:44:42 +0100, Bryn Jones wrote:
> [snip, hopefully without attribution errors]
>> Also would M$ Windoze be more acceptable?
> 
> No, not really. It looks and sounds childish to me.
> Constant references to Microsoft and Windows like this (which often appear in 
> publicly searchable archives) just put non-Linux users off and make the Linux 
> community look like a bunch of childish nerds. The more I work with both 
> technologies, the more it seems these attitudes cause windows-centric people 
> who have expressed an interest in open source and Linux to feel unwelcome. 
> They just cause enmity and do "the cause" (if there is one) more harm than 
> good.
> If you want to encourage people to investigate Linux and open source as 
> viable alternatives to their current systems it's important to not treat them 
> like idiots or make them feel picked-on in some way.
> 
> Just my 2p-worth. Don't take it personally, it's not intended that way.
> 
>> (hey I used to work on Windows solely and would have happily
>> told people to just buy SBS and get on with it. I learned
>> too much working in M$ dev houses to ever
>> recommend it as a 1st option).
> 
> "not recommending" is not the same as "calling silly names" :)
> 
> Just sayin'.
> 
> Stuart
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Re: [Hampshire] Domain type authentication using Linux as "domain" server

[Ally Biggs]

Gotta give Microsoft kudos where it's due, setting up active directory, group 
policies and domain functionality is a walk in the park compared to Linux. 
someone really needs to write a plain English guide on how to deploy and 
integrate Linux in a windows environment. The documentation needs to be clear, 
concise, updated and work on numerous popular Linux distros such as Debian or 
Redhat. Sure there are numerous guides and distros like Sme server and tools 
like webmin to make the setting up and administration side less painful but 
when things go wrong and your left staring at a config file or a terminal 
window thinking wtf do I do now? Then things can be a pain in the ass unless 
you are a Linux god or can afford to get a Linux consultant which is a 
additional expense and could be avoided if you deployed server 2k8 r2 :) 

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On 8 Apr 2012, at 23:01, "Bryn Jones"  wrote:

> Oh yeah its all theory but things like SME server says it's not only doable 
> but comes in  a box at times. It also has to be 100% supportable by me ar 
> anyone with enough knowledge. Walking into a network to troubleshoot someones 
> insane one off implementation of something really mad and obscure has been 
> part of my life for a long time :) (is it wrong I enjoy it though?)
> 
> It's not "core" to their needs they can bimble along. As a "consultant" I 
> think it will improve their lives a bit, authentication is not the main 
> reason I'm moving them to more server side stuff (backups, firewalls yada 
> yada). I just wrote a huge recommendations doc mainly full of neat lil 
> tweaks they can do to make life easier on their own. 
> 
> I am aware that Windows AD is simple, it also costs. When budget=£0 (or 
> around that) then a bit of creativity goes a long way..
> 
> On 08/04/12 22:42, Ian Grody wrote:
>> 
>> With all due respect, LDAP is nice and all and is quite versatile and useful 
>> etc etc etc.
>> 
>> However, as much I am a hardcore BSD/Linux user, m$ active directory 
>> excretes all over LDAP many, many fold, as hard as it is for me to admit 
>> this. I wont go into all the technicals, using Linux for LDAP in a Win 
>> domain would be a fun project and something to "try out" - But, I would be 
>> somewhat weary of relying on it unless you know exactly what you are getting 
>> yourself into.
>> 
>> On the other hand, new users to Linux coming from win benefit in many ways...
>> 
>> Examples: Be offline when testing;
>> 
>> Install a webcam on both Windows & Linux and time how long it takes before 
>> you get to see a live picture from it.
>> 
>> Do the same with any USB storage device & time how long it takes to be able 
>> to read or write to the device.
>> 
>> Do the same for a usb bluetooth or wifi device.
>> 
>> Do the same for a mass majority of hardware & you will notice win has to go 
>> online almost each time to obtain a driver. Most times out of 10, Linux 
>> already has one and works out of the box.
>> 
>> Now, doing something like using Linux as an AD for Win domain, takes a lot 
>> of time, effort & work. It is highly doable and yes, there are lots of 
>> documents. But, what happens if it breaks and you are not about..!?
>> 
>> As I say, be fun to try as a project
>> 
>> 
>> Ian
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 08/04/2012 17:42, Tony Wood wrote:
>>> 
>>> +1 to Ally's remarks.
>>> As a relative newcomer to Linux, I was at first somewhat put off by the 
>>> quick-fire geekiness I saw in these mailing lists.
>>> I'm glad now that I persisted and am amazed at the difference now that I 
>>> and my wife have gone 100% Linux: FAR less hassle; fewer clicks to do what 
>>> we want; and the support from other users is the stuff of dreams. 
>>> Even Terminal is becoming a pussycat; I really appreciate the way it 
>>> doesn't chide you - it politely suggests a course of action to 'try' and 
>>> which actually WORKS. 
>>> I've always liked cars and motorbikes that seem to be 'on my side' and 
>>> don't try to catch me out. 
>>> Linux seems to be firmly on my side.
>>> 
>>> Tony Wood
>>>   (Netbook)
>>> 
>>> On 08/04/12 12:35, Ally Biggs wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I agree with Stuart I have had a lot of experiences of Linux users slating 
>>>> windows or calling it windozes and stupid names, And you are right it does 
>>>> make people unwelcome. Linux and windows both bring something unique to 
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Re: [Hampshire] Domain type authentication using Linux as "domain" server

[Ally Biggs]

Idiots guide to LDAP, Samba and Getting your windows boxes to behave with 
Linux. Does such a thing exist? I the problem with documentation I have read 
I'm not being funny but usually it's over complicated jargon, doesn't get to 
the point it's usually outdated, and samba ends up broken with each windows 
release so nothing works. So then you have to start making changes to your 
windows boxes to get samba to work. 

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On 9 Apr 2012, at 08:16, "Keith Edmunds"  wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 01:52:40 +0100, bluechr...@hotmail.co.uk said:
> 
>> someone really needs to write a plain English guide on how to deploy and
>> integrate Linux in a windows environment. The documentation needs to be
>> clear, concise, updated and work on numerous popular Linux distros such
>> as Debian or Redhat.
> 
> Are you planning to do this? 
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Re: [Hampshire] Meeting Talks

[Ally Biggs]

I wouldn't mind listening to a talk on setting up a Linux domain controller

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On 10 Apr 2012, at 20:37, "James Bensley"  wrote:

> Howdy all,
> 
> There was a surryLUG post recently about the next bring-a-box meeting, which 
> led me to cruise the surreyLUG site. There I saw they have two things;
> 
> The first is a page of requested talks, where users can vote for talks they 
> want to hear about, and submit topics.
> 
> The second was on the bring-a-box page people can offer to give a talk at 
> these meets, and fill in the days schedule.
> 
> SurreyLUG is a bit too far from me, so I'm a hantsLUG goer only (well soon, 
> still waiting to go to my first meeting, just been super busy this year!).
> 
> So my question is; Is there any plan to have talks at hantsLUG meetings, with 
> a similar pages where users can suggest and vote on topics, or does this 
> already happen and I've missed the wiki page on this?
> 
> It's good (I believe) to make a request accompanied with an offer so to get 
> us started, I'm a network engineer for an ISP. I can offer talks on routing 
> and switching, VPNs, networking protocols (Ethernet, MPLS, IP, TCP, ISIS, 
> OSPF, BGP etc) and telephony. I'd like to hear about assembly, c++, high 
> performance computing and clustering, high availability technologies, MySQL, 
> SANs, Apache, Advanced BASH scripting. So not all that I offer or request is 
> strictly Linux based to be honest, but I don't think we should be too 
> restrictive.
> 
> Kind regards,
> James.
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Re: [Hampshire] Meeting Talks

[Ally Biggs]

Hi Tim

What I want to know is how to setup a Linux Primary Domain Controller, Each 
user has own
Log on, Own Home directory where they can save work, I also want to be able to 
create shares
Which specific users of groups access. I prefer using command line and am not 
afraid
To get my hands dirty with editing config files. Distro of choice is Centos but 
I am also familiar
With Deb based distros.

The PDC has to work with both Win XP and 7, I want to start with the basics 
before I even attempt LDAP, Kerberos

Samba4 the way to go? 

Many Thanks 

> From: jwbens...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:20:46 +0100
> To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Hampshire] Meeting Talks
> 
> Hi Ally,
> 
> When you say "Linux domain controller" do you mean something akin to a
> Linux equivalent of a Microsoft Active Directory Domain Controller?
> 
> Tim,
> 
> Awesome, one audience member, right here!
> 
> 
> Ultimately where I'd like to go with his is if the talker where happy
> to, record the talks and host them on line, to form a community
> lectures page for the wiki, with an archive of the talks.
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Re: [Hampshire] Quiet and cool PC running?

[Ally Biggs]

Pentium 4 is the problem, Netburst architecture was renound for running hot, 
Paired with a stock cooler and im not surpised that is making noise :), I 
wouldn't got for a E6750 slap up a bit of extra cash and go for a Q6600 granted 
these processors are a few years old but they still run anything you throw at 
them. Or I would go for the i5 2500k, which essentially is the successor to the 
Q6600, For the price you get a 3.7Ghz Quad Core processor which is capable of 
4.6Ghz with a stock cooler. 

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-360-IN&tool=3

You might want to wait though Intel Ivy Bridge has only just been released so 
the older gen i3,i5,i7 will start to be reduced. I dont rate AMD or bulldozers 
at all I would go intel anyday of the week

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Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 22:17:40 +0100
To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: [Hampshire] Quiet and cool PC running?

These days I'm doing more development work at the PC. I'm noticing the fan 
noise from my PC becoming more intrusive and I'm also finding it running hot 
even when idle. I have tried different thermal compound (Artic Silver 5) 
application methods with two different standard Intel fan/heatsinks but I 
cannot seem to keep the temperature down and thus the fan noise to an 
acceptable level. The CPU is a 3Ghz P4 which are known to produce a lot of heat 
so this may just be normal operation.


Having given up making this set-up quiet and wanting something with a bit more 
horsepower, I want to upgrade to something quieter. I'm planning to buy a 
motherboard bundle from eBay that features a Core 2 Duo (eg. E6750) as I 
understand that these run much cooler. As for the fan I was thinking of fitting 
an aftermarket CPU cooler, has anyone got any experience with the Zalman type 
fan such as this: http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/Product_Read.asp?idx=164 

Do they really make a difference?
Thanks!
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Re: [Hampshire] Hampshire Digest, Vol 67, Issue 2

[Ally Biggs]

10% CPU load that machine sounds beastly lol have you over locked it? 

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On 2 May 2012, at 13:25, "Stephen Davies" 
 wrote:

> I have a couple of nicely configured servers running in my home office at the 
> moment.
> 
> No 1:  AMD 6 core Bulldozer underclocked plus a stonking great Zalman 
> Heatsink. I run 4-6 VMWare VM's on this at a time
>Big Case Fans
>Fanless Graphics card.
> 
> No 2: Intel i7 Quad core 32Gb Ram again with a big Heatsink, case fans etc.
> It is running a simulation of the Airport Database and external systems for 
> LAX (Los Angeles) Terminal 6 at the moment. 8VM's, 3 different databases and 
> around 10% CPU loading.
> 
> I recently bought a Case with lots of sound absorbing material built-in. This 
> made a big difference. I can't remember the make but I got it from Novatech.
> Big Fans make less noise. You need less RPM to move the same volume of air. 
> Less RPM means less fan blade tip speed which means less noise. Get ones with 
> decent bearings as well. Saving a few quid here is really only a short term 
> saving.
> Get a s big a CPU Heatsink as you can. Beware that some may fould the Ram 
> slots especially if you use ram sticks that are a bit taller than normal.
> 
> Despite their power these systems are a whole lot quieter than any OOTB 
> systems I've ever had.
> 
> Alternatively, you could always invest in some noice canceling headphones!
> 
> Stephen D
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Recommendation please - Big NAS

[Ally Biggs]

Save the money and build it yourself freenas is they way to go. I had a old 
Pentium 3 server running over a year with no downtime loaded it up with a few 
decent sized SCSI drives happy days, Current got a dell power edge 800 running 
comes with a SATA controller so loaded up a few decent sized drives the O/S 
runs from a flash disk all configurations are carried out through a web Gui the 
drives are currently in a Raid1 array and the system has been running for half 
a year no problems setting up samba shares is a piece of cake with this :) 

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> Hi all
>  
> I'm looking for a NAS device / media server - need a recommendation please.
>  
> 1) Needs to be able to store 4TB+ of data so presumably need at least 2 drive 
> bays.
> 2) Needs to be on 24/7
>  
> I was thinking (and this list has previously raved about) a HP microserver.   
> However this gives me a dilemma.   I have a PC I could resurrect at the cost 
> of the drives (which I'd need for the microserver anyway) and the cost of a 
> big PSU (big enough to run several hard drives in one box).   Said cost would 
> probably come out just under the  £230 for a microserver.
>  
> All of my previous NAS devices (Bufallo Linkstation, Netgear SLU, Netgear 
> ReadyNAS) have all been devoted NAS units so this is the first time I'd ever 
> be buying a "proper" server if I bought the HP thing.   So I guess my 
> question is - why not build a machine myself instead of the microserver?   
> Quietness isn't much of an issue because it'll be in a room separate to the 
> TV.   Are there any other considerations here?
>  
> Cheers
> Rob
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Re: [Hampshire] Recommendation please - Big NAS

[Ally Biggs]

I was tempted to get one of those hps myself I like the design of them is there 
a option to get one of units without microshite home server? Lowering the cost. 

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On 31 May 2012, at 12:11, "Jan Henkins"  wrote:

> Hello Rob,
> 
> On Thu, May 31, 2012 11:39, Rob Malpass wrote:
>> Hi all
>> 
>> I'm looking for a NAS device / media server - need a recommendation
>> please.
>> 
>> 1) Needs to be able to store 4TB+ of data so presumably need at least 2
>> drive bays.
>> 
>> 2) Needs to be on 24/7
>> 
>> I was thinking (and this list has previously raved about) a HP
>> microserver. However this gives me a dilemma.   I have a PC I could
>> resurrect at the cost of the drives (which I'd need for the microserver
>> anyway) and the cost of a big PSU (big enough to run several hard drives
>> in one box).   Said cost would probably come out just under the  £230 for
>> a microserver.
>> 
>> All of my previous NAS devices (Bufallo Linkstation, Netgear SLU, Netgear
>> ReadyNAS) have all been devoted NAS units so this is the first time I'd
>> ever be buying a "proper" server if I bought the HP thing.   So I guess my
>> question is - why not build a machine myself instead of the microserver?
>> Quietness isn't much of an issue because it'll be in a room separate to
>> the TV.   Are there any other considerations here?
> 
> There are several things that counts heavily in the HP Microserver's favour:
> 
> * As opposed to the self-build thing, you have relatively easy vendor
> escalation if things goes pear-shaped
> * It can take 4x LFF SATA drives, so you can chuck 2x, 3x or 4x 4TB drives
> in there and play with various levels of RAID for redundancy. The 3.5"
> drives are cheaper and loads bigger capacity wise than their 2.5"
> counterparts.
> * It's still a low-power device.
> * It has been designed to be used in a 24x7 environment.
> * The price is right! :-)
> 
> I can probably go on, but will spare you that. Don't get me wrong, I love
> the DIY route for things, but if you have 4TB+ of data to store - that is
> an awfully large amount of data to lose... I break out into a cold sweat
> just thinking about it!
> 
> Anyway, even singing the HP's praises, remember that nothing is 100%
> certain. Because you will be using software to do RAID, things might go
> wrong. Depending on your budget, I would suggest you evaluate additional
> layers of backup.
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Re: [Hampshire] Motherboard(s) for Sale

[Ally Biggs]

Where abouts are you based interested in the Q6600 


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> ASUS P5NE
>   Complete with an intel Q6600 Quad core CPU, Huge Heatsink and 8Gb DDR2 RAM
> 
> £50.00
> 
> Also
> 
> ASUS M4A87TD Motherboard for an AMD CPU (No CPU, No RAM)
> £15.00
> 
> Both are in working order.
> If you are interested then email me off line.
> 
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Re: [Hampshire] My 2p on the GUI 'Wars'

[Ally Biggs]

I agree I hate the metro interface, Why Microsoft have decided to include it in 
There next server o/s god knows, I hate  Unity aswell and prefer the look and 
feel of Gnome 2.0 ( Centos) as I have no intention of owning a tablet I won't 
be buying a Windows 8 device, Will be using Win 7, Centos and Debian on and 
will prob invest in a Google nexus 7 when they launch and am still trying to 
get my hands on a raspberry pi. Keep the Gui simple even better switch it off 
and use the cli :) 

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> As a professional software developer who has been writing programms since the 
> days of Card Decks, George 3 , SOFOR and paper tape, I find this latest craze 
> on desktops (Gnome 3, Unity & Windows 8) rather depressing.
> 
> (Ignoring the 'touchy feely' of touchscreens that everyone seems to rave ove 
> these days)
> If they had been around at the birth of GUI/Windowing systems I would have 
> understood them.
> Now IMHO, this searching and every icon on the desktop idea is frankly so 
> silly, it beggars belief.
> 
> In 'no' work mode, I use (like most people ) a set of apps that number no 
> more than say 10. Email, Web, Skype, Bittorrent etc
> I could live with the methodology of the new interfaces if I could have the 
> old menus for those times that I need something out of the ordinary and have 
> ho idea of the executable or icon but I know it belongs in a group associated 
> with a product. A hice hierarcihial tree structure. Very Logical.
> 
> In work mode the standard set of apps I use goes up considerably. Not all are 
> 'installed via traditional installers in order to save time, I use (on 
> windows Quick Launch (yes you can get it back even on Windows 7/Server 2008) 
> and the Gnome 2 launchpad. 
> One click of the mouse and The app starts. Now what could be more logical or 
> simpler than that? Yet the GUI - Those who must be obeyed Overlords have 
> deemed that I am no longer fit to have this nice easy to use facility. It is 
> almost as if they are telling me that I'm about to be pensioned off so I am 
> only fit to use a Fisher Price Interface.  
> 
> Yes, many of you are thinking that I'm a grumpy old man. That is probably 
> true but IMHO, these designers have taken something that wasn't totally 
> broker and made it only fit for the great trashcan in the sky.
> 
> I know I'm fighting a losing battle and very soon you won't be able to buy a 
> new computer without one or other of these 'Tellytubby' interfaces or even 
> remove what the manufacturer has installed for you without fear of a knock at 
> the door from the IP Police (my name is not winston smith) but I know one 
> this:-
> 1) I will never buy a computer that forces me to use Windows 8/Windows-RT 
> Windows 7/Server 2008 will be the last offereings from Microsoft that I ever 
> use.
> 2) I will never use a computer that has Unity or Gnome 3 configured as the 
> primary Interface unless I can configure it to use something a bit saner and 
> more logical.
> 
> A plague on all their houses.
> 
> Stephen D
> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Raspberry Pi

[Ally Biggs]

I really want one but I heard they are very hard to get hold of?. I have a few 
projects firstly a media server, probably running XMBC, Also wanted to build a 
case out of Lego to house it, I was also thinking about gutting a Mac classic 
or old laptop and implementing the Pi install and loading it up with old school 
emulators :) 

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On 30 Jun 2012, at 17:22, "David Anderson"  wrote:

> My Raspberry Pi is supposed to be arriving next week. Has anyone tried
> one, or got one in use?
> 
> Regards
> David
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Re: [Hampshire] Samba tutorial

[Ally Biggs]

Samba3 by example is a good book
You can get the PDF free online. 
Uses real world examples and 
Starts with the basics and takes you
Through the more complicated setups.

Raspberry pi file server is another good
Search term I've used recently. I have
Stumbled across a few decent entry level guides on Samba. 



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> Hi all
>  
> Does anyone know of a particularly readable tutorial on Samba?   When I’ve 
> setup samba shares so Windows machines can see Linux boxes before, it’s been 
> pretty much a surprise that they’ve worked.   Ditto getting Linux machines to 
> be able to write to NAS boxes as non-root users.
>  
> My current problem is trying to make a directory on an external USB HDD on an 
> Ubuntu host available as r/w to a Windows host.   I can make said host see 
> and read from a folder under /home/whoever but (even soft linking 
> /home/whoever/test to /media/ExternalHDDname is failing.
>  
> To make matters worse, the gnome users and groups admin thing has failed 
> completely i.e. click “Add” and it doesn’t add a user, nor can I delete one 
> –all in all a bit of a meltdown really!
>  
> There are of course thousands of pages about samba and I’m sure O’Reilly 
> would be its’ usual encyclopaedic – but all I want is to understand how users 
> and groups work in Samba so I can set appropriate permissions – anyone know 
> of a good resource?  
>  
> Cheers
> Rob
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Re: [Hampshire] "Gnome 2 is dead" (Was Re: Ubuntu Unity - Dash - context lists)

[Ally Biggs]

Haven't the old gnome devs created mate? 

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On 1 Oct 2012, at 23:17, "Andy Smith"  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 10:47:25PM +0100, Vic wrote:
>> 
>>> GNOME 2 is dead.
>> 
>> ...And looking remarkably sprightly on my Fedora 16 laptop...
> 
> But it is the case that upstream is not developing it anymore, isn't
> it?
> 
> Also I have seen the fork of Gnome "classic" (I forget its name now)
> derided on the debian-devel list as being "generated by sed", as in
> they ran sed over the Gnome code base to rename everything to their
> new name, but without having any actual developers to carry the
> project on.
> 
> From all of that I was under the impression that "sticking with
> Gnome Classic" was not really a long-term option, it would be either
> Unity, Gnome 3 or a completely different desktop environment.
> 
> Is this not the case?
> 
> Cheers,
> Andy
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Re: [Hampshire] "Gnome 2 is dead" (Was Re: Ubuntu Unity - Dash - context lists)

[Ally Biggs]

I think it's going to be used in Linux Mint for future releases, As for Unity 
and Gnome 3 both I dislike but both are
Better in comparison with Microsofts 
New metro GUI god that thing is awful. 

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> Hi Ally,
> 
> On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 11:20:06PM +0100, Ally Biggs wrote:
>> Haven't the old gnome devs created mate? 
> 
> Ah yes, that's the one that is the fork. I've seen a few people
> disparage it as having too few developers, but they might be Gnome 3
> fanboys I suppose..
> 
> Are people seeing that as a project with a future then?
> 
> Cheers,
> Andy
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Re: [Hampshire] Don't suppose...

[Ally Biggs]

I've got a dell laptop
Intel i7 2.6 ghz quad core
8 gig DDR3
120 Gig solid state hard disk
1 gig Nvidia graphics ( runs battlefield 3
Windows 7 home prem 64 bit
Original box 
Still under warranty with dell 
Looking for about £400 



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> Hello all.
> 
> I don't suppose anyone's selling a laptop?  It's to replace my son's
> one which is 6 or 7 years old, so it doesn't need to be state of the
> art.  I don't really have a clear idea of spec, just thought I'd find
> out if anyone is selling something.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Owain
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[Hampshire] Stuff For Sale

[Ally Biggs]

Hi guys I have my old setup for sale thought I would give you guys the heads up 
just in case anyone is interested :)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-965P-D53  
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=2456#ov
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 72596 ( 2 Sticks of 1 GB)
GPU: MSI Nvidia Geforce 8600GT 256mb PCI Express X16
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 2.6 Ghz, 4M L2 Cache.
Comes with AKASA EVO 120 Cpu Cooler 
http://www.onyougo.com/akasa-ak-920-2-evo-120-intel-amp-amd-heatpipe-cooler_iphw0695518.jpg

Please Note Motherboard Needs CMOS battery and one of the heatsink screws is 
missing but doesn't effect performance in anyway. Board comes with backplate

I'm Looking for about £45 for the whole lot recently built a Ivy bridge rig so 
no longer require these parts.

Please contact me if interested 

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Re: [Hampshire] Ubuntu Unity

[Ally Biggs]

Unity is awful, Gnome 2 or Mate is what I use. 

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> 
> It isn't just me.
> 
> I've been trying to warm to Unity and had pretty much given up.
> 
> I'd set-up my wife's account in Unity to see how a less computer-savvy person 
> gets on with the interface.
> She does just mail, web, and very occasional WP, so nothing special.
> 
> Today she rebelled and declared it 'stupid'.
> 
> For her also, menus on the screen top-bar were so counter-intuitive that she 
> thought they'd been removed.
> 
> So now, for the moment at least, we've both reverted to Gnome.
> 
> Personally I'll likely now switch to an fvwm set-up, which I always 
> preferred, only having changed to Gnome to 'go with the flow'.
> 
> Sorry Alan, but we both strongly dislike Unity.
> 
> Gordon.
> 
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[Hampshire] Stuff for sale

[Ally Biggs]

Hey everyone I'm having a clear out and have the following items for sale 

The Debian administrators handbook
Raphael hertzog Roland Mas

The definitive guide to Samba 3 
Roderick W Smith Apress

Pro Linux system administration 
James turnbull Peter liverdink 
Apress big book over 1000 pages

Beginning ubuntu server administration 
From novice to professional 
Sander Van Vught 

Looking at about £50 for the lot which is a bargain the Debian book alone 
retails for £30

I also have a google nexus 7 for sale, 16 gig version, restored to original 
settings complete with box, charger currently out of stock of google play 
Looking for £99 have original receipt item is still under warranty

I also have a dell N5110 intel core I7 2.2 Ghz laptop with 8 gig DDR-3, 120 gig 
Solid State hard disk, Currently has windows home premium 64 bit installed, 
Comes complete with original box charger manuals and has been well looked 
after, looking for about £350 for it which again is a steal they are going for 
500 refurbished on eBay. 

Also have a shuttle it has 4 gig ddr2 I will have to double check CPU I know 
it's a AMD dual core may be a 4200, has a DVD rw / card reader was running 
Linux looking for about £50

Lastly I have unix and Linux system administration handbook fourth edition 
looking for £20 

If you are interested in any item or require further details feel free to 
contact me :) 
 



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Re: [Hampshire] Recommendations - Windows AV

[Ally Biggs]

Avast anti virus in conjunction with malware bytes both are free never had a 
issue :) 

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On 20 Jan 2013, at 16:24, "Chris Dennis"  wrote:

> On 20/01/13 12:42, Paul Stimpson wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I use AVG free edition. I'm happy with it and it always used to get rid
>> of the stuff Norton wouldn't.
> 
> I've always used and recommended AVG Free Edition, until yesterday when I 
> noticed that the free version no longer scans incoming emails!  So I think 
> I'm going to switch allegiance to the freen version of Avast.
> 
> cheers
> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Box on last legs

[Ally Biggs]

Check the capacitors on the motherboard, Also hook up PSU outside the case to 
eliminate power supply issue, See if issue is still present. set BIOS options 
to default. Memtest the memory and run some diagnostics on the hard disk 
something like spinrite, also check file system using fsck. Have you check the 
logs for any indication or errors when the power issue is occurring? Any clues 
to go on? after doing all this problem still occurs I would update the hardware 
:) 

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On 26 Jan 2013, at 14:31, "Rob Malpass"  wrote:

> Hi all
>  
> My dad (an electronics engineer of 40 years experience) once told me 
> “intermittent faults are a swine to fix” – and never truer words were spoken. 
>   Could you all please take a look at my logic before I condemn certain parts 
> of this failing box to the bin?
>  
> 2008 vintage 64-bit 4Gig RAM machine running Ubuntu 12 fine for the past 
> month – 28 days uptime as my media server and no problems at all.   Today I 
> switched the kvm box controlling it to control another machine (no 
> disconnection, just a flick of a switch) and the box powered down!   For some 
> reason whenever the bad box powers down, it needs  to be physically unplugged 
> from the mains before it will come back up – this particularly baffles me.   
> Brassed off with this, I started to look into what causes random shutdowns 
> (it’s not the first time it’s done this but as I say it’s been fine for 28 
> days).   I left it running for 20 minutes in BIOS to check the CPU temp was 
> fine – and it was at 44 degrees C max.   Rebooted to see what dmesg might say 
> but – post BIOS but before boot – it shut itself down.   And at that point my 
> anglo saxon became taboo for the good folks on this list!
>  
> I’m now stumped and, as the machine is 2008 vintage (though good for its 
> time) it might be time to upgrade – but I’m wondering which bits I can 
> salvage.   I’m thinking the following are ok to reuse: case, optical drive, 
> hdd whereas any of the mobo, RAM and certainly PSU could well be the trouble 
> and it’s almost impossible to test which.
>  
> Can anyone offer another diagnosis / treatment for these symptoms?   I might 
> be inclined to buy a new PSU and see what happens swapping that before any 
> more major surgery but is there really anything I’ve missed as regards 
> seemingly random shutdowns?  Incidentally when I say shutdown – I’m talking 
> immediate power down – not the OS executing a halt command.
>  
> Cheers
> Rob
>  
> Cheers
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Re: [Hampshire] Box on last legs

[Ally Biggs]

Yeah on windoze boxes I run prime95 in conjunction with speed fan and push the 
system to 100% processing power. Is there a Linux equivalent of this? Or a tool 
that can be run from a live Distro I'm intrigued :) 

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On 26 Jan 2013, at 14:38, "Michael Daffin"  wrote:

> I don't think running in the bios is a good way to test temp, best to do that 
> while it is under some load. I suggest running some stress tests on it.
> 
> On 26 Jan 2013 14:30, "Rob Malpass"  wrote:
> Hi all
> 
>  
> 
> My dad (an electronics engineer of 40 years experience) once told me 
> “intermittent faults are a swine to fix” – and never truer words were spoken. 
>   Could you all please take a look at my logic before I condemn certain parts 
> of this failing box to the bin?
> 
>  
> 
> 2008 vintage 64-bit 4Gig RAM machine running Ubuntu 12 fine for the past 
> month – 28 days uptime as my media server and no problems at all.   Today I 
> switched the kvm box controlling it to control another machine (no 
> disconnection, just a flick of a switch) and the box powered down!   For some 
> reason whenever the bad box powers down, it needs  to be physically unplugged 
> from the mains before it will come back up – this particularly baffles me.   
> Brassed off with this, I started to look into what causes random shutdowns 
> (it’s not the first time it’s done this but as I say it’s been fine for 28 
> days).   I left it running for 20 minutes in BIOS to check the CPU temp was 
> fine – and it was at 44 degrees C max.   Rebooted to see what dmesg might say 
> but – post BIOS but before boot – it shut itself down.   And at that point my 
> anglo saxon became taboo for the good folks on this list!
> 
>  
> 
> I’m now stumped and, as the machine is 2008 vintage (though good for its 
> time) it might be time to upgrade – but I’m wondering which bits I can 
> salvage.   I’m thinking the following are ok to reuse: case, optical drive, 
> hdd whereas any of the mobo, RAM and certainly PSU could well be the trouble 
> and it’s almost impossible to test which.
> 
>  
> 
> Can anyone offer another diagnosis / treatment for these symptoms?   I might 
> be inclined to buy a new PSU and see what happens swapping that before any 
> more major surgery but is there really anything I’ve missed as regards 
> seemingly random shutdowns?  Incidentally when I say shutdown – I’m talking 
> immediate power down – not the OS executing a halt command.
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Rob
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers
> 
> ROb
> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Ally Biggs]

Just a idea but to attract more newcomers to meets. You should hold 
Talks on stuff like the basics of Linux 
Administration covering areas such as basic samba (getting windows and Linux to 
play nicely). There is probably 
Alot of people out there coming from a windows world who are making the 
transition to Linux. Who are not necessarily gurus and do not want to sit to 
talks and lectures on advanced topics. With raspberry pi being released this 
would also be a perfect opportunity 
To grab new users attention. I'm quite 
New to Linux myself I wouldn't want to 
Attend a meeting and sit through a talk 
On something I'm either not interested in or am technically not at that level. 
It would put me off attending further meetings. A beginners setting up a Linux 
server workshop would be very 
Popular with myself and a lot of other 
People out there. Just some thoughts 

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On 27 Jan 2013, at 17:52, "Anton Piatek"  wrote:

> In general I think it is a good idea.
> 
> Facebook has a good process for multiple admins of a page, but I've not seen 
> a good solution for twitter other than relying on one person. Anyone know of 
> anything.
> 
> Anton
> 
> On 27 Jan 2013 17:48, "Alan Pope"  wrote:
> Hullo,
> 
> It struck me today that the LUG doesn't have any kind of active presence on 
> social networks (such as Twitter, Facebook and Google+). I have seen other 
> LUGs promote their meetings (and not much else) via these networks and it 
> struck me as a good way to reach a wider audience than the website and 
> mailing list currently do.
> 
> I wondered if it might be worth setting up a presence on each of the above 
> networks and have some people responsible for posting when the LUG has a 
> meeting.
> 
> To be clear, this isn't to replace the mailing list or website, and isn't 
> targeting _you_ because you are already on the list. It's to target potential 
> new people.
> 
> Opinions / flames...
> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Ally Biggs]

Basic could be a good thing to get more people to meets. The frustrating thing 
about Linux is trying to find good documentation to get things setup with 
minimal fuss. I think it would be a awesome idea for somebody to do a series of 
talks on setting up your own server. Covering topics such as installation, 
partition options such as lvm,raid. Followed by package configuration, how to 
manually setup I.P details / how to administrate remotely i.e ssh / tiger vnc. 
Then the next talk could be on essentials commands and basic cron, bash 
scripting then have another talk which explains how to configure and maintain 
services such as Apache, bind, Samba. Then have a final talk on routine 
matienance and administration of the server. For people who are getting there 
feet wet with Linux this would be 
Very attractive :) 

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On 27 Jan 2013, at 18:14, "Anton Piatek"  wrote:

> I have done a basic intro to the Linux and the command line at work and will 
> be repeating it. Maybe I should do it for the lug? I assumed it would be a 
> bit basic...
> 
> Anton
> 
> On 27 Jan 2013 17:59, "Ally Biggs"  wrote:
> Just a idea but to attract more newcomers to meets. You should hold 
> Talks on stuff like the basics of Linux 
> Administration covering areas such as basic samba (getting windows and Linux 
> to play nicely). There is probably 
> Alot of people out there coming from a windows world who are making the 
> transition to Linux. Who are not necessarily gurus and do not want to sit to 
> talks and lectures on advanced topics. With raspberry pi being released this 
> would also be a perfect opportunity 
> To grab new users attention. I'm quite 
> New to Linux myself I wouldn't want to 
> Attend a meeting and sit through a talk 
> On something I'm either not interested in or am technically not at that 
> level. It would put me off attending further meetings. A beginners setting up 
> a Linux server workshop would be very 
> Popular with myself and a lot of other 
> People out there. Just some thoughts 
> 
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> 
> On 27 Jan 2013, at 17:52, "Anton Piatek"  wrote:
> 
>> In general I think it is a good idea.
>> 
>> Facebook has a good process for multiple admins of a page, but I've not seen 
>> a good solution for twitter other than relying on one person. Anyone know of 
>> anything.
>> 
>> Anton
>> 
>> On 27 Jan 2013 17:48, "Alan Pope"  wrote:
>> Hullo,
>> 
>> It struck me today that the LUG doesn't have any kind of active presence on 
>> social networks (such as Twitter, Facebook and Google+). I have seen other 
>> LUGs promote their meetings (and not much else) via these networks and it 
>> struck me as a good way to reach a wider audience than the website and 
>> mailing list currently do.
>> 
>> I wondered if it might be worth setting up a presence on each of the above 
>> networks and have some people responsible for posting when the LUG has a 
>> meeting.
>> 
>> To be clear, this isn't to replace the mailing list or website, and isn't 
>> targeting _you_ because you are already on the list. It's to target 
>> potential new people.
>> 
>> Opinions / flames...
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> -- 
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>> Engineering Manager
>> 
>> Canonical - Product Strategy
>> +44 (0) 7973 620 164
>> alan.p...@canonical.com
>> http://ubuntu.com/
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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Ally Biggs]

I understand that you need to cater for all levels of experience. I just 
thought that from my own personal experience I found it pretty hard to 
initially adjust to Linux (used Windows since 3.1) and would of found talks and 
lectures on basic administration invaluable. I think a lot of people start to 
use Linux and don't develop a good foundational level of understanding they try 
and jump the gun and run before they can walk. They essentially become 
frustrated with Linux and dismiss it for being over complicated and often 
revert back to what they know best windoze. I am the only person who uses Linux 
where I work and am often ridiculed my boss literally has said Linux is a niche 
it isn't used and it's rubbish. Believe me I have had to hold my tongue on many 
occasions.

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On 27 Jan 2013, at 18:23, "Robert Longstaff"  wrote:

> Hello Ally. One thing to remember is that a LUG needs to appeal to different 
> people at different levels. In other words, the range from those who are 
> brand new to Linux to those are more advanced and want to discuss topics with 
> their peers and find out about new things.
> 
> Consequently, I think it would be great if people are prepared to do intro 
> talks on the subject (maybe advertise in advance so newbies specifically come 
> to that meeting) but I wouldn't want to make that the main focus as the more 
> expert users would likely drift away and take their knowledge with them.
> 
> robert_
> 
> 
> On 27/01/13 18:00, Ally Biggs wrote:
>> Just a idea but to attract more newcomers to meets. You should hold
>> Talks on stuff like the basics of Linux
>> Administration covering areas such as basic samba (getting windows and
>> Linux to play nicely). There is probably
>> Alot of people out there coming from a windows world who are making the
>> transition to Linux. Who are not necessarily gurus and do not want to
>> sit to talks and lectures on advanced topics. With raspberry pi being
>> released this would also be a perfect opportunity
>> To grab new users attention. I'm quite
>> New to Linux myself I wouldn't want to
>> Attend a meeting and sit through a talk
>> On something I'm either not interested in or am technically not at that
>> level. It would put me off attending further meetings. A beginners
>> setting up a Linux server workshop would be very
>> Popular with myself and a lot of other
>> People out there. Just some thoughts
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 27 Jan 2013, at 17:52, "Anton Piatek" > <mailto:an...@piatek.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>>> In general I think it is a good idea.
>>> 
>>> Facebook has a good process for multiple admins of a page, but I've
>>> not seen a good solution for twitter other than relying on one person.
>>> Anyone know of anything.
>>> 
>>> Anton
>>> 
>>> On 27 Jan 2013 17:48, "Alan Pope" >> <mailto:alan.p...@canonical.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Hullo,
>>> 
>>>It struck me today that the LUG doesn't have any kind of active
>>>presence on social networks (such as Twitter, Facebook and
>>>Google+). I have seen other LUGs promote their meetings (and not
>>>much else) via these networks and it struck me as a good way to
>>>reach a wider audience than the website and mailing list currently do.
>>> 
>>>I wondered if it might be worth setting up a presence on each of
>>>the above networks and have some people responsible for posting
>>>when the LUG has a meeting.
>>> 
>>>To be clear, this isn't to replace the mailing list or website,
>>>and isn't targeting _you_ because you are already on the list.
>>>It's to target potential new people.
>>> 
>>>Opinions / flames...
>>> 
>>>Cheers,
>>>--
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>>>Engineering Manager
>>> 
>>>Canonical - Product Strategy
>>>+44 (0) 7973 620 164 
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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Ally Biggs]

Exactly there are alot of new users who have made the jump to Linux. What would 
be the point in me attending a talk about LDAP or some advanced topic when i 
currently do not understand the basics. If anything it would put me off 
attending further talks because I would be sat there thinking 
"what the hell are they going on about"


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On 27 Jan 2013, at 23:58, "Andy Smith"  wrote:

> Hi Lisi,
> 
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:48:08PM +, Lisi wrote:
>> On Sunday 27 January 2013 18:23:13 Robert Longstaff wrote:
>>> Consequently, I think it would be great if people are prepared to do
>>> intro talks on the subject (maybe advertise in advance so newbies
>>> specifically come to that meeting) but I wouldn't want to make that the
>>> main focus as the more expert users would likely drift away and take
>>> their knowledge with them.
>> 
>> I would have though that talks for the complete beginner would have a very 
>> limited audience at LUG meetings, where the majority of people present are 
>> experienced users.  
> 
> I'm struggling to find a polite way to say this but I don't feel
> that a majority of the thread starters here are experienced Linux users
> (from the post content) at all, and I also feel that there will be
> lurkers who are put off from posting questions because of the
> technical nature of posts they see.
> 
> So I am not sure that even very basic talks should be discouraged.
> Everyone starts somewhere.
> 
> Do bear in mind that experts are more able to go off and find
> conferences and communities more befitting their level of expertise
> anyway. (Hey, it's FOSDEM this weekend!)
> 
>> So far there has been a good mix of talks and levels.  This seems to me to 
>> be 
>> a much better idea.
> 
> No one has proposed focusing exclusively on beginner talks. Robert
> specifically spoke AGAINST focusing on such. "A good mix of talks"
> does mean SOME beginner stuff.
> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Promoting LUG meets via social networking

[Ally Biggs]

This is why I haven't attended any meets as I know I would be out of my depth. 
Or talks would be given on subjects I'm not interested In and would be bored 
senseless. 

A making the transition from windows to Linux workshop would be very popular 
covering areas such as installation. Beginners guide to the Cli, package 
management etc. 

And a more advanced setting up a Linux server workshop would also be very 
interesting to myself and others. 

We are not all gurus plus think of the sheer amount of people out there who are 
getting there feet wet with Linux. Take the raspberry pi for instance this has 
opened the doors and has introduced a lot of newcomers to Linux. They would 
find this kind of introduction knowledge invaluable. Hell even running a 
raspberry Pi server setup course would be very popular :)  

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On 28 Jan 2013, at 14:05, "Richard Bensley"  wrote:

>>> The beginners guide to MySQL was also very popular.
>> 
>> Yes - MySQL per se is not for *total* beginners.  Pity I missed it. :-(
> 
> I can certainly help in the MySQL front. I am a DBA for a trading
> platform. I train and implement MySQL at various levels, brunting its
> various idioms.
> 
> A five minute flash talk I could certainly do just about anytime. I
> will be there with my brother, James, next Saturday.
> 
> 
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Re: [Hampshire] What Graphics Card?

[Ally Biggs]

I'm running a radeon HD 5770 These can be picked up relatively cheap off eBay. 
Game wise it handles anything I have thrown at it Skyrim on highest detail, 
Battlefield 3, Farcry 3 both on highest detail. But this is of course through 
Windows 7 I don't use Linux for gaming. 

Might be worth researching into what the Linux support is like. But from a 
Windows point of view for the money the card kicks ass. I don't tend to bother 
with Compiz or any of that fancy GUI animation stuff, I usually run Centos or 
Debian headless. So wouldn't know if the card is capable of doing all that 
fancy graphical GUI wizardry. Infact it has been a few years since I have seen 
Compiz and such effects last experience was with a older Ubuntu release before 
they implemented Unity. I remember It used to be a right pain in the ass to 
configure. 

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On 9 Feb 2013, at 10:36, m...@barrenfrozenwasteland.com wrote:

> Hi All,
> I've just upgraded by desktop to Ubuntu to 12.10 and come across the 
> wonderful fact that AMD/ATI now consider my Radeon HD 3000 series graphics 
> card "legacy" and dont provide drivers for the Xorg version that 12.10 uses.  
> As such, I'm now running an odd setup with a downgraded Xorg and patched 
> driver, which is far from ideal going forward. Time for a new graphics card.
> 
> I don't buy stuff like this very often, so I'm hoping someone who has done so 
> recently can point me in the right direction.  I do a fair bit of gaming, but 
> I'm not die hard. Skyrim is the most recent game I have, and I'm happy with 
> the performance I get on that out my current card.  Something mid-range would 
> suit me, around the £50 mark.
> 
> I also have no particular loyalty to AMD or NVidia.  The reason I ended up 
> with an AMD card is that when I built the PC, Nvidia cards had problems with 
> KWin's compisting (I've since switched to Unity, so this is no longer a 
> consideration).  Are there any pitfalls regarding common issues with a 
> manufacturer's drivers that I should be aware of?
> 
> My current investigations have led me to consider the NVidia Geforce 630[1].  
> If anyone has good or bad experience with this in particular, or would 
> recommend a different card with a similar spec, I'd be very grateful.
> 
> Cheers
> Mark
> 
> [1] 
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-GeForce-Graphics-Express-Dust-Proof/dp/B0084LE1XY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360404970&sr=8-1
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[Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

[Ally Biggs]

Do you guys ever think there will be a day that Linux will be as popular as 
Windows in the desktop market. 

Personally I can't see this happening anytime soon. This isn't a personal 
attack on Linux just want to get some thoughts and inspiration. 

I use both Windows and Linux have a strong interest in both but currently am 
having a tug of war with my thought patterns career wise. The majority of my 
thoughts are saying focus on learning Linux starting with Linux+ with the 
eventual aim of going for the RHCSE. The other half is saying go down the 
Microsoft route taking a client exam and going for the server 2012 admin certs. 

Has anyone been in a similar situation?
I would say that I enjoy Linux more the whole Open source ethos, I actually 
feel like I am learning when using the cli as opposed to clicking my way 
through the GUI in Windows. 

Making the transition from Windows to Linux was challenging initially I 
probably will continue to learn Linux (Redhat, Debian) for server related tasks 
and use Win 7 for client tasks. 

The thing which bothers me though about Linux ok it's free and if you have the 
skills you can do great things but why isn't it being adopted more for everyday 
use. Also why don't the developers standardise a distribution for the home user 
i.e same package manager and packages. 

The problem with desktop Linux I think is when the shit hits the fan and 
something needs to be configured or a driver needs to be added your average 
user isn't going to want to sit typing commands in a terminal or spending hours 
finding the solution into a community. 

The other problem I found is the community alot of people expect you to be some 
kind of command line genius who is capable of reciting the whole encyclopaedia 
of man pages. So when you ask for help or guidance you often get a dismissive 
response. 

Documentation is horrendous aswell especially if you are making the transition 
from Windows. Pick up a starting to learn Linux book and a couple of pages in 
you end up with the worlds worst headache.

So how did you guys learn Linux? 
Has anyone else made the transition from Windows? Or what are the key areas to 
focus on to develop a good foundation. Need some inspiration if I go down the 
Linux route would I be missing out on much? Please help me resolve the tug of 
war it is driving me mad :) 


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Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

[Ally Biggs]

Than you for providing me with some insight :) I started with Windows 3.1 and 
used it since well apart from Windows ME, Vista and 8 didn't really get on with 
those. Windows 7 was pretty solid for everyday use. I never really had a issue 
with it and does everything I need it to do. Windows 8 I have heard if you turn 
off the metro and add the start menu back is a faster booting more stable 
version of 7 I may give it another go oneday. 

My first Linux Distro was Debian and then Ubuntu I am now using Red Hat. 
( centos)The best out of the box desktop experience I have had for ease of use 
so far would be Mint. I abandoned Ubuntu after they implemented unity I really 
couldn't get on with it. 

Do you ever think Microsoft would go Open source? Or release a minimal cut down 
version of windows and you pay to add the extras or am I'm talking nonsense 
because Billy Gates would be losing to much money. 

I see with there latest server products they have technologies like server core 
and powershell are they trying to become more like Linux with minimal headless 
server deployments and administration via scripting. 

What are your distros of choice and why? 

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On 13 Feb 2013, at 17:34, "Lisi"  wrote:

> On Wednesday 13 February 2013 16:31:53 Ally Biggs wrote:
>> Do you guys ever think there will be a day that Linux will be as popular as
>> Windows in the desktop market.
> 
> It will take a long while in the consumerist "west", but the developing 
> countries are starting to use it.  (Brazil, China, India to name but a few - 
> but a few who comprise a large percentage of the world population.
> 
>> Making the transition from Windows to Linux was challenging initially I
>> probably will continue to learn Linux (Redhat, Debian) for server related
>> tasks and use Win 7 for client tasks.
>> 
>> The thing which bothers me though about Linux ok it's free and if you have
>> the skills you can do great things but why isn't it being adopted more for
>> everyday use. Also why don't the developers standardise a distribution for
>> the home user i.e same package manager and packages.
> 
> Because it is free as in libre?  If I don't want to use Ubuntu (and I don't) 
> I 
> can just use something else.  Package managers are not all identical as you 
> own.  But how will you standardise when things are free?  Vic would probably 
> take up arms to support the rpm system, as I would the apt.  The important 
> point is that we have the choice.
> 
>> The problem with desktop Linux I think is when the shit hits the fan and
>> something needs to be configured or a driver needs to be added your average
>> user isn't going to want to sit typing commands in a terminal or spending
>> hours finding the solution into a community.
> 
> There are several good GUI installers, and the shit hits the fan rather 
> rarely.  There is a myth around that Linux drivers are impossible to 
> find/load, but Windows ones are easy.  Last time i installed Windows XP (I 
> lead a life that is blessedly free of Microsoft) I had to find, download and 
> burn practically every driver separately.  It was a nightmare.  I have had 
> the odd problem with Linux, but nothing like that.  Life is slightly more 
> onerous since my chosen distro Debian decided that th installer had to be 
> entirely free in both senses of the word, but there are still easy solutions.
> 
>> The other problem I found is the community alot of people expect you to be
>> some kind of command line genius who is capable of reciting the whole
>> encyclopaedia of man pages. So when you ask for help or guidance you often
>> get a dismissive response.
> 
> In my experience, no-one expects anyone to know anything.  They may make 
> incorrect assumptions, but mostly list members are extremely helpful.  You do 
> get the occasional dismissive idiot, but they are not the norm and I haven't 
> noticed that attitude on this list for some time.
> 
> Say what you have done to help tourself, and say that you would need help 
> with 
> any suggestion that needs the CLI, and you will get a lot of help.  Older 
> people may forget that you have probably had very little experience of the 
> CLI.  Those of us who are longest in the tooth had been using computers for 
> some time before the GUI was invented.
> 
>> Documentation is horrendous aswell especially if you are making the
>> transition from Windows. Pick up a starting to learn Linux book and a
>> couple of pages in you end up with the worlds worst headache.
> 
> You must have picked up the wrong books.  I reckon that if I can switch to 
> Linux, anybody can.  There is a *very* easy book in the LUG library, I can&#x

Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

[Ally Biggs]

Thank you for all your replies has kind of made me realise that my true passion 
is with Linux. I am going to work through my Linux+ videos, thinking about 
having Centos running as the main host with KVM running Debian and using 
something lightweight like LXDE or XFCE on the Deb box. 

I think my career goal is to be able to deploy Linux based solutions in a 
Windows environment for small start ups / charities. So the eventual which is a 
long way off :) is to develop a solid understanding of how to replace windows 
networking services and deploy Linux server. 

Vic mentioned earlier to use both the GUi and Cli which I will be doing as Red 
Hat seems to have some pretty good inbuilt GUI tools for configuration.

What are people's thoughts on packages like Webmin? Better not to become to 
reliant. Or specialised distros such as SME Server or Zentyal

What do you run Distro wise and why? 

I have to many questions :) I really should attend a meeting I could talk about 
this allday.   

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On 13 Feb 2013, at 22:32, "Lisi"  wrote:

> On Wednesday 13 February 2013 22:02:32 Alan Pope wrote:
>> I recently (1.5 years ago) installed Ubuntu for a retired chap who had
>> only ever used Windows. He requested it because he was sick of viruses
>> and slow-downs of Windows. I printed out a getting started guide and
>> allocated ~2 hours to walk him through the basics of Ubuntu.
> 
> When I installed and set up Linux for my husband, the original technophobe, I 
> printed out a sheet of instructions which included things like "turn it on at 
> the socket on the wall.  The socket has a red sticker on it." and "take out 
> your Wisden's and read it for a bit".  I then gave him a run through.  After 
> 3 weeks, when he had not once asked for help, I commented on the fact, and he 
> said: "I don't have to.  It just works."  More recently he said: "Why do 
> people think that Linux is hard when it is so easy?"
> 
> Lisi
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Re: [Hampshire] The future of Linux / career advice

[Ally Biggs]

I would defiantly be interested in getting further Linux experience whether it 
would be through work experience or volunteering. For me that would be a 
awesome position to be in. 

At my current role in the past I have been called a Open source evangelist, for 
setting up a Ubuntu server which was running samba and storing a archive of 
backups and windows drivers. 

I also was told that Linux was rubbish and nobody or none of the big companies 
run it. I obviously had to hold my tongue at the time. So I had to continue my 
adventures with Linux outside of work or secretly on the sly :). 

They run a SME server and the external support is handled by Linux IT but when 
the support side is taking a while to resolve I'm always approached and am 
expected to troubleshoot? I thought Linux was rubbish? 

Why do I enjoy Linux as opposed to Microsoft and what generated the passion? 
For me at the time it was the unknown. I was introduced to Debian by Nick Chalk 
at Jamie's computers watching him do his thing in the cli intrigued me and 
that's when I first knew about Linux. I started using it setting up minimal 
installs for firewalls for him. That gave me basic exposure to disk 
partitioning, Aptitude, And basic Bash commands. Obviously at first I had the 
Microsoft way of thinking :) and thought that Windows was the only way of 
getting things down. 

For me the appeal of Linux was the openness the ability to put older hardware 
to use and the power you get from using the cli. Also I get something I don't 
get when I use Windows and that is the feeling that I am learning something. 

Career wise I would love to either start my own company and specialise in 
getting Linux solutions into smaller business. Or to basic get my knowledge as 
far as I can so that I can deploy and maintain basic servers. 

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On 14 Feb 2013, at 17:47, j...@osml.eu wrote:

> On 2013-02-14 12:26, john lewis wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:33:58 -0500
>> j...@osml.eu wrote:
>> 
>>> I see a slightly different future for Linux.  The desktop, for many,
>>> will disappear.  The Chromebook is a V2.0 successor to the Network
>>> Computer.  It's a computing device.  Read you email:  Open a browser
>>> tab for G-Mail.  Edit a document/spread sheet/presentation: Open a
>>> browser tab for Google Docs/Sheets/Slides  \
>> 
>> that sort of thing will never replace a desktop computer for me and I
>> don't need mobile computing.
> 
> I most likely will not replace the desktop for me either, but it can, and I 
> think will replace the desktop for many that just want to read their e-mail 
> and browse the web and I think there are a lot of people that only want a 
> computer for those two tasks.
> 
>> 
>> I don't really like the look of the future of computing if it means
>> more and more touch devices and apps/data stored 'in the cloud' or
>> whatever.
> 
> I agree with touch devices.  The GF got an iPad mini for a Christmas present 
> (not from me).  She hates all the smeary fingerprints on it.
> 
> Apps and into the cloud is currently 'just a trend', but I would add, a very 
> strong trend.  Yes there are a lot of arguments against using a cloud to 
> store you personal data, but there are a lot of good sound arguments for it  
> also.
> 
>> 
>> Our current systems should last out our (my wife and I) lifetimes and
>> we'll not need istuff or googlestuff or chromestuff.
> 
> I'll need at least one h/w refresh. I don't like the iApple stuff.  I like my 
> freedom.  There are alternatives to almost all Google services.  Chromestuff 
> can easily be avoided.
> 
>> 
>> I was in fact a bit horrified to read that my favourite browser is to
>> use chrome stuff in the near future, I quite like Opera the way it is
>> now. I can always put a hold on the current version though, at least I
>> have a choice ;-)
> 
> Yes, I here that Opera is going to use V8 and WebKit.
>> 
>> Yup! I am a luddite but at my age I'm entitled to be one.
>> 
> At a few months short of official OAP status, I'm a bit of a Luddite also but 
> change keeps getting shoved into my face.  It's going to happen whether we 
> like it or not.
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[Hampshire] LVM + Raid Question

[Ally Biggs]

Hi Guys Running Ubuntu Server currently have two 160GB hard disks setup as a 
LVG. Partition scheme isn't fancy it was created as a means of learning.

The question is I wish to add some form of redundancy to the LVG was thinking 
of a RAID-1 mirror is it a good idea to run LVM with software raid via mdadm

Or is there a better approach? 

Many Thanks

Ally
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Re: [Hampshire] Win8 recovery (not as OT as it sounds)

[Ally Biggs]

Acronis true image is good for capturing images, Or you can use Microsoft 
deployment tools such as WAIK to capture and deploy images, you basically boot 
up the completed system in a pre installation environment and capture the image 
using a tool called imagex always ensure you sysprep images before you deploy. 
Hope this helps WAIK is pretty kool it's basically a suite of tools for image 
deployment including a tool called DISM for injecting drivers and patches into 
images. Anyways that's enough of the boring Microsoft stuff lol :) 

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On 7 Jun 2013, at 18:14, "Gordon Scott"  wrote:

> Hi Guys,
> 
> After my new notepad went back for repair, it's been returned with just the 
> factory Win8 on it, and I want it back to dual boot.
> 
> When originally I made it dual boot, Win8 wouldn't run, so I tried the Win8 
> recovery, which just baulked because it couldn't fin a partition.
> 
> Now I'm again back to making a reboot, I'd like this time to get a 'recovery' 
> disc that actually does recover the system. I've tried several of the 
> built-in tools .. recovery, refresh, reset (because the former two trashed 
> the disc) and all I've done is get back to factory reset again. The Win-7 
> image create isn't presently working to a USB stick, though I'm told it 
> should.
> 
> I'm now wondering if there's another way to get a recovery image.
> 
> I'm open to any suggestions that will be OK with a Linux partition on the 
> disc. The is the new UEFI setup, BTW.
> 
> I have been wondering if that ancient but good tool dd might be applicable 
> here. I'll be having a look at that, anyway.
> 
> Unfortunately the obvious alternative of just binning Win8 is not an option 
> :-(
> It's a pile of poo, but I have to have it.
> 
> =
> I guess many of you are aware of this, but some will not be. If you use the 
> Win8 restore and/or refresh functions, (and if it works!), it keeps you data 
> and any applications you bought from the Microsoft store, but removes all 
> other programs! Inclluding those that have, for example, a restricted number 
> of installs!
> =
> 
> Gordon.
> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Add another hard drive to the same mount point?

[Ally Biggs]

The only way I can think of is to have original drive in a LVM configuration 
you then add the secondary drive and extend the Volume Group across both 
drives. 

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On 23 Jul 2013, at 20:47, "Robin Wilson"  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've got a home server, running Ubuntu, which has a large hard drive on which 
> I store photos, videos, music etc, which is mounted at /files. Unfortunately 
> I'm running out of space on that drive, and am just about to purchase an 
> extra drive. My question is:
> 
>Is there a way to 'combine' these drives in some way so that they both 
> appear under the mount point /files, and where the data is actually stored is 
> transparent?
> 
> Obviously I could put all of my photos and music on the old drive, and all of 
> my videos on the new drive, and mount them separately - but from previous 
> experience I've found that gets very difficult very quickly, as drives fill 
> up and you end up with categories split between drives.
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas for how to go about this? Ideally I'd like 
> whatever method it is to not require completely wiping my current drive - it 
> would be possible (if I can find a friend with an empty 2Tb external hard 
> drive that I can borrow), but it'd be a bit of a pain.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Robin
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Re: [Hampshire] Add another hard drive to the same mount point?

[Ally Biggs]

If you google lhammonds ubuntu server tutorial he walks you through the process 
of setting up LVM on a clean install. He then teaches you how to add a 
secondary hard disk and how to extend the volumes all done through the Cli of 
course :) 

Very easy to follow tutorial makes LVM a walk in the park. 



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On 23 Jul 2013, at 20:53, "James Courtier-Dutton"  
wrote:

> On 23 July 2013 20:47, Robin Wilson  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've got a home server, running Ubuntu, which has a large hard drive on 
>> which I store photos, videos, music etc, which is mounted at /files. 
>> Unfortunately I'm running out of space on that drive, and am just about to 
>> purchase an extra drive. My question is:
>> 
>> Is there a way to 'combine' these drives in some way so that they 
>> both appear under the mount point /files, and where the data is actually 
>> stored is transparent?
>> 
>> Obviously I could put all of my photos and music on the old drive, and all 
>> of my videos on the new drive, and mount them separately - but from previous 
>> experience I've found that gets very difficult very quickly, as drives fill 
>> up and you end up with categories split between drives.
>> 
>> Does anyone have any ideas for how to go about this? Ideally I'd like 
>> whatever method it is to not require completely wiping my current drive - it 
>> would be possible (if I can find a friend with an empty 2Tb external hard 
>> drive that I can borrow), but it'd be a bit of a pain.
> 
> Google "lvm". A logical volume manager.
> If your existing data is already on a LVM you can expand it to fit two disks.
> If your existing data is not on LVM, you could make the new HDD use LVM, copy 
> all the data from the old to the new drive, and then wipe the old drive and 
> put LVM on it.
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> James
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Re: [Hampshire] Add another hard drive to the same mount point?

[Ally Biggs]

What is the difference between btrfs and zfs? I have seen that zfs seems to be 
quite popular with NAS / file server builds. 

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On 23 Jul 2013, at 23:02, "Michael Daffin"  wrote:

> You can also use the btrfs filesystem to do the same thing, which ext4 can be 
> upgraded to in place (ie without reformatting) and then other drives can be 
> added to the btrfs filesystem.
> 
> However, with both of these solutions you are increasing the risk of losing 
> all of your data as if one drives fails. I would consider looking at creating 
> a raid array, it will require more disks*, but has the advantage that you 
> wont lose any data if one drive fails (you just have to replace the drive) 
> but the disadvantage of not being able to use all of the space on all the 
> drives.
> 
> *You need 2 disks for raid1, full mirror, but only have the usable space of 
> one of the disk, or 3 disks for raid 5, which gives you the usable space of 
> two disks (you can use 4 or 5 disks with raid 5 and still only lose one disk 
> worth of space).
> 
> Raid is at least worth considering as the more disks you add to your setup, 
> the more likely one will fail and the larger your collection of data, the 
> harder it is to recover it all.
> 
> 
> On 23 July 2013 20:58, Ally Biggs  wrote:
>> If you google lhammonds ubuntu server tutorial he walks you through the 
>> process of setting up LVM on a clean install. He then teaches you how to add 
>> a secondary hard disk and how to extend the volumes all done through the Cli 
>> of course :) 
>> 
>> Very easy to follow tutorial makes LVM a walk in the park. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 23 Jul 2013, at 20:53, "James Courtier-Dutton"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 23 July 2013 20:47, Robin Wilson  wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I've got a home server, running Ubuntu, which has a large hard drive on 
>>>> which I store photos, videos, music etc, which is mounted at /files. 
>>>> Unfortunately I'm running out of space on that drive, and am just about to 
>>>> purchase an extra drive. My question is:
>>>> 
>>>> Is there a way to 'combine' these drives in some way so that they 
>>>> both appear under the mount point /files, and where the data is actually 
>>>> stored is transparent?
>>>> 
>>>> Obviously I could put all of my photos and music on the old drive, and all 
>>>> of my videos on the new drive, and mount them separately - but from 
>>>> previous experience I've found that gets very difficult very quickly, as 
>>>> drives fill up and you end up with categories split between drives.
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone have any ideas for how to go about this? Ideally I'd like 
>>>> whatever method it is to not require completely wiping my current drive - 
>>>> it would be possible (if I can find a friend with an empty 2Tb external 
>>>> hard drive that I can borrow), but it'd be a bit of a pain.
>>> 
>>> Google "lvm". A logical volume manager.
>>> If your existing data is already on a LVM you can expand it to fit two 
>>> disks.
>>> If your existing data is not on LVM, you could make the new HDD use LVM, 
>>> copy all the data from the old to the new drive, and then wipe the old 
>>> drive and put LVM on it.
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards
>>> 
>>> James
>>> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Recommendations sought for system upgrade

[Ally Biggs]

I work at Jamie's Computers we sell Core 2 Duo mobo bundles from about £35 with 
either 2 of 4 gig of ram all fully tested :) What socket type is your old board 
we may have one kicking about if you wanted to reuse the CPU. 

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>> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:12:33 +0100
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>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> It all depends on your use-case and budget. If it was me, I would do
>> one of two things:
>> 
>> a) buy just a new Linux-friendly base unit from somewhere that will
>> supply without Windows. Somewhere like Novatech can do this for > I think.
>> 
>> or (what I do)
>> 
>> b) buy a quality case and just upgrade the motherboard (and other
>> components) every 5 years or so. I've done this for the last 15 years
>> or so with an Antec Sonata ATX case.
>> 
>> The Debian version you're using has not been maintained in a while but
>> I would guess you were pretty happy using it anyway.
>> 
>> As you have limited internet access I would advise you to get hold of
>> the Debian DVD set for your new PC. If you cannot download it from
>> anywhere then I'll offer to burn them for you and mail them out.
>> 
>> Yes, you could run both harddrives "side by side" in your new system
>> by mounting the old drive in the new Debian and copying your data
>> across. However considering the vintage of your current PC it might be
>> an IDE HDD in which case you may not be able to connect it to the new
>> one. In that case it might be best to copy your existing data via a
>> USB HDD.
>> 
>> Old software + new hardware normally works OK. Old hardware and new
>> software is in my experience where you get problems (would the latest
>> browers, YouTube and iPlayer work efficiently on that older PC?). You
>> should be fine here if you upgrade but I would recommend you upgrade
>> Debian and then re-install whatever you were using to their latest
>> versions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 12 August 2013 18:01, Peter Alefounder  wrote:
>>> A few days ago, my monitor power supply failed (I got a new one from
>>> Maplin, so no problem with that, now). Electrolytic capacitors in
>>> the old one were bulging a bit on top. As my computer is the same
>>> age (I assembled it in 2002) I thought I had better examine that as
>>> well. One capacitor on the main board looks a bit dodgy to me.
>>> 
>>> So, I am thinking of upgrading my system. I would certainly want a
>>> new main board, and I understand that means a new processor as well.
>>> The existing system is an MSI K7T266 with an AMD Athlon 1800+ CPU.
>>> 
>>> I see no need to replace existing peripherals - monitor, mouse,
>>> keyboard, scanner.
>>> 
>>> The question is, can I re-use other, internal, bits? I would
>>> certainly want to retain the existing zip drive, but the floppy
>>> drive (which I have not used in years) is not important. The
>>> graphics board is a nVidia MSI G4MV460 and I have two 500KB memory
>>> cards. Is it worthwhile retaining those?
>>> 
>>> Should I instead be thinking of a completely new computer? If so, is
>>> buying one with Linux already installed a good option? I do not have
>>> my own internet connection, so would want the system on CD or DVD.
>>> Software might recognise older hardware, but I suspect old software
>>> might not be so good with new hardware (at the moment, I have Debian
>>> 4.01r). I presume I could install my existing hard drive alongside
>>> the new one, copy user files to the latter and remove the old system
>>> from the old drive, retaining that to use as a back-up.
>>> 
>>> Any recommendations, opinions or warnings as to what to avoid are
>>> welcome.
>>> 
>

Re: [Hampshire] Recommendations sought for system upgrade

[Ally Biggs]

Old equipment isn't the problem if that was the case why is my Pentium 3 
freenas box still in service and kicking ass? :) 

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On 16 Aug 2013, at 12:19, "Peter Alefounder"  wrote:

>  
> Pete  said:
>> Just a thought but you mentioned Southampton in your earlier post. Have
>> you looked in Jamie's Computers
>  
> and Ally Biggs  said
>> I work at Jamie's Computers we sell Core 2 Duo mobo bundles from about ?35 
>> with either 2 of 4 gig of ram all fully tested
>  
> Thanks for the mention of cheap equipment, but I would rather have
> something new. It is old equipment that is the problem!
>  
> Joseph Bennie said:
>> an external IDE enclosure is the way to go. it will connect via 
>> USB with no modification. simply plug the ide hard drive into the
>> external enclosure and your done.
>  
> Yes, I will have to get one of those if needed. However, I think 
> I now have everything that might possibly be of use copied to SD
> cards, so should manage without the old disk.
>  
> Other commitments mean I can't do much about a new computer until 
> next month, so I hope the old one will last a bit longer.
>  
> Peter Alefounder.
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[Hampshire] How to get your foot in the door?

[Ally Biggs]

How do you start a career in Linux? are there any volunteering opportunities 
out there? 
Or opportunities to shadow and learn? I'm passionate about Open Source Tech but 
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Re: [Hampshire] How to get your foot in the door?

[Ally Biggs]

Hi thanks for the information. I'm not much of a programmer although I have 
started teaching myself BASH scripting and python trying to get to grips with 
programming concepts was pointed in the direction of Python for its ease of 
use. 

My interest is more in the way of providing Open Source solutions to small 
business / Charity completely bypassing the Windows side from a server 
perspective altogether. 

My distro of choice is Red Hat have been looking at the RHCSA materials and I 
feel this is the path I wish to go down. 

Maybe I should come along to some meets and get hands on I've been a bit put 
off though as I'm no guru. 

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On 19 Aug 2013, at 16:55, "Joseph Bennie"  wrote:

> Hi Ally, 
> 
> The best thing to do is pick a project in the sector you want to work in and 
> work on some code… once your name is in the credits its a big selling point 
> on the CV… but don't do it for a one shot deal, do it because its what you 
> want to do. 
> 
> If however your just looking to use open source, there are plenty php, ruby 
> ad sysadmin roles out there on job board but they might not be specifically 
> open source … you will find that all software and tooling are like a knife, 
> fork spoon… you use the best for the job ad its about mowing how things work 
> at a higher level and them applying the right tools and technologies to solve 
> them. 
> 
> best of luck 
> J
> 
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> 07976 300036  | 01737 244209 | @Lincoreltd  
> j...@lincore.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 19 Aug 2013, at 16:02, Ally Biggs  wrote:
> 
>> How do you start a career in Linux? are there any volunteering opportunities 
>> out there? 
>> Or opportunities to shadow and learn? I'm passionate about Open Source Tech 
>> but just need guidance and the opportunity to shine. 
>> 
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Re: [Hampshire] How to get your foot in the door?

[Ally Biggs]

Thanks for the replies, I use Red Hat primarily because I have been looking at 
the RHCSA / RHCE materials and that is what I am comfortable using. I have used 
Debian and Ubuntu Server alot aswell but for the time being Red Hat is what I 
have stuck with. 

I'm not a programmer I don't have the mentality and currently I would say the 
Linux side of things is more of a hobby / passion I work primarily supporting 
and maintaining Windoze boxes. Although I am teaching myself BASH scripting 
nothing to serious at the moment just building the foundation dabbling 
customising the shell, writing rsync scripts  Nothing to fancy just basic level 
stuff. My lack of programming experience is holding me back in terms of 
understanding stuff like variables, functions, loops so it was suggested that I 
learnt Python to get a foundation? 
Is this a good choice or should I stick with BASH scripting. 

The small business / charity side appeals to me, I work for Jamie's computers I 
like the whole ethos of reuse and putting older hardware to good use. I would 
love to one day run my own enterprise that specialises in providing Open Source 
solutions to this sector. 

As for areas of Internet myself I guess I enjoy the networking / Administration 
side of things. I have a few goals which I want to delve into further. 

Apache web server 
Samba file server (setup D/C)
Rsync and scheduling backups cron. 
Proxy server 
FTP server 
Administration / user management 
Firewall setting up IP tables 
SElinux configuration 
Media Server setup
KVM virtualisation 
Unattended installations via kickstart 

Those are the areas of interest for myself and areas I intend to work on. Would 
be kool to meet some of you guys and learn from the masters :) 

On 19 Aug 2013, at 23:12, "Keith Edmunds"  wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:35:22 +0100, bluechr...@hotmail.co.uk said:
> 
>> My interest is more in the way of providing Open Source solutions to
>> small business / Charity completely bypassing the Windows side from a
>> server perspective altogether.
> 
> Why specifically small businesses and charities?
> 
>> My distro of choice is Red Hat have been looking at the RHCSA materials
>> and I feel this is the path I wish to go down.
> 
> Look at where you want to end up. Do you need RH qualifications to get
> there? Why is your choice of distro important? To whom is it important?
> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Are you sure you want to be Linux through and through?
> 
> Start with the end point. You originally asked, "How do you start a career
> in Linux?", but you haven't said what you want to do. Program? Support?
> Consult? Sell? Evangelise? Describe (at least to yourself) in as much
> detail as you can how you want it to be. Then you can work out how to get
> there. 
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Re: [Hampshire] How to get your foot in the door?

[Ally Biggs]

I already use the vi editor :) wouldn't have it any other way. I have started 
dabbling with Python and I really like it beating in mind I am new to 
programming It was a breeze to setup and the syntax so far is pretty clean and 
easy to follow. 

I am working through learn python the hard way which is a web based tutorial 
series. Good thing about python is I have it setup and running on my work 
Windoze box so I can continue learning in downtime win win situation :) 

For the guys who mentioned C language that's a bit above my level mere mention 
of anything C related gives me a headache. Maybe one day I will understand 
basic syntax but currently I have only started my programming journey. 

As for the sysadmin / networking I have a Dev box which can host a few Virtual 
machines I am also armed with the RHCSA / RHCSE book by Micheal Jang and have 
the Linux Bible latest edition which covers alot of Red Hat and I found a 
absolute gem of a book :) 

Centos 6 server cookbook so I the plan is to get the Dev box up and running and 
get some services hooked up I've got a few Winblows hosts so that I can setup 
Samba and Tiger Vnc. 

Everyone thank you for the advice :) are the meets based in Southampton would 
be really good to meet some of you in person 

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On 20 Aug 2013, at 17:32, "Tony Wood"  wrote:

> On 20/08/13 17:11, Lisi wrote:
>> On Tuesday 20 August 2013 15:28:15 Alan Pope wrote:
>>> advocating the use of Ubuntu and generally acting like a
>>> bit of a fanboy.
>> 
>> a _bit_ of a fanboy??? ;-)
>> 
>> Lisi
> 
> 
> LOL
> Great post Lisi.
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Re: [Hampshire] Recommendations sought for system upgrade

[Ally Biggs]

Ebuyer or overclockers uk currently rocking a Intel I5 3.5ghz ivy bridge setup 
with 8 gig DDR-3 runs everything I throw at it including numerous Linux distros 
got a Artic Freezer cooler on it the motherboard only cost me £35 entry MSI 
job. Have had it running over a year stable as a rock. 

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On 21 Aug 2013, at 22:10, "Lisi"  wrote:

> On Wednesday 21 August 2013 21:51:55 Gordon Scott wrote:
>>> which they are selling for 320 pounds. They said this would be
>>> cheaper than buying the parts separately as they do a discount for
>>> complete machines.
>> 
>> Novatech have something that sounds not dissimilar in their barebones
>> section (no discs etc.) for £164.
> 
> I have always found Novatech very helpful, good value and Linux friendly.
> 
> Your preferred supplier sounds very expensive.
> 
> Lisi
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Re: [Hampshire] How to get your foot in the door?

[Ally Biggs]

I have started using python nothing to major just getting to grips with basics 
such as variables. I am really liking it so far. I am also really the Linux 
Shell Scripting Cookbook which is projet based and seems pretty 
straightforward. I am considering getting a raspberry pi as for the vesion of 
Python I am using it's 2.7.5. I tried using 3 but was getting weird syntax 
issues.



> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:35:19 +0100
> From: li...@pern.co.uk
> To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Hampshire] How to get your foot in the door?
> 
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:28:11 +0100
> Richard Bensley  wrote:
> 
> > Excellent, you have the tools and motivation.
> > Python is a great start, I use it every day, and it's becoming more
> > and more popular as it spreads into education. The small businesses
> > and charities think they can solve all their data needs in Excel,
> > show them what you can do with Python and a database.*
> > 
> 
> Python is a very good introduction to programming. I have written
> several projects using it. 
> 
> One thing to be careful of, though, is that there are 2 distinct
> versions of it - 2.x and 3.x, and they are not directly compatible. I
> have converted several projects without too much difficulty. 
> 
> Unfortunately there are still pockets of sysadmin stuff using 2.x.
> After all, v3 has only been out since 2008! 
> 
> Python is one of the languages on the standard Raspberry Pi
> installation, aimed at getting children to program rather than just use
> applications. 
> 
> In fact a couple of Pis are a good way to practice both
> programming and sysadmin. As the O/S is on an SD card, it is very easy
> to swap to another setup. I have one card with a LAMP stack for when I
> am doing web dev, and another on which I am trying out Asterisk.  And
> my file server is happily chuntering away on another Pi.
> 
> Oh, and Pis are very cheap
> 
> Regards
> David
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Re: [Hampshire] Anyone using their Raspberry Pi as a "carputer"?

[Ally Biggs]

No but if you haven't got a use for it I will have it :) i'm after a Model B 
for a XBMC setup 
how do they handle performance wise any lag during video playback 

Ally

> From: ichaud...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:42:46 +0100
> To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: [Hampshire] Anyone using their Raspberry Pi as a "carputer"?
> 
> So I got given a Raspberry Pi at that XBMC Fest thing a few weeks back
> (they were giving them out free, I got one with a ton of extra
> accessories).
> 
> I have tried XBMC and Debian on it and it does a fair job of both,
> however I already have those covered with other devices.
> 
> I want to explore using the Raspberry Pi as something in the car, a
> "carputer". I am envisioning attaching a smallish LCD screen+speakers
> where it can play movies, take a USB key to play music, display Google
> Maps, show pictures etc. Has anyone done this with their Pi?
> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Anyone using their Raspberry Pi as a "carputer"?

[Ally Biggs]

Paul thanks for the heads up. The AMD fusion sounds like a nice bit of kit I'm 
looking at putting together a open Elec box as a future project case wise I am 
after something small what kind of pricing would a project like this set me 
back? Any recommended components for such a build? The only part I currently 
have is a 2 terabyte hard disk. 

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On 11 Sep 2013, at 19:37, "Tim Brocklehurst"  
wrote:

> I haven't played with XBMC on the PI, but I was considering using it as a 
> carputer running Android with 3G dongle. I haven't had time to get much 
> further, but from what I read I think it should work.
> 
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[Hampshire] Social Enterprise

[Ally Biggs]

Good evening everyone I have recently had this idea of setting up a Social 
Enterprise which would have a heavy emphasis on Open Source technologies and 
Linux. I want to give something back to the community and have a strong desire 
to help others. 

The key ideology of the enterprise is to train volunteers / customers / people 
from unprivileged backgrounds in Computing. 

The main income stream of the company would be a focus on refurbishment of IT 
equipment where it can be put to good use or resold. Prices would be 
reasonable! 
( avenues such as eBay, gumtree) 

Second main income stream would be repairs, I have about 8 years experience 
repairing PC's and laptops  

Third income stream would be focused on administration and deployments for the 
small business and charity sector we can also throw in support contracts. And 
use Linux as alternative to Windows. 

I don't want to take advantage of volunteers who aid the progression, I want to 
be able to put volunteers through the Compita A+ training. That way as a Social 
Enterprise we will be giving something back they will become qualified I,T 
combined with experience which will either open doors or if the Enterprise 
expands we can take them on full time and explore other avenues such as IT call 
outs, home visits. 

There are diverse options for training I have alot of Windows experience. You 
guys have the Linux knowledge :) 

Few options for courses 

Computer hardware how to build PC 
Introduction to the Internet 
Desktop publishing 
Introduction to Windows 

Linux for beginners 
BASH Basics 
BASH scripting 101 
Setting up a Home media Server 
Network Services for beginners 
Securing your Server 

I also thought able setting up a training room consisting of raspberry Pi's 
where users could be taught the basics of programming. 

I could really use your input I am passionate about Linux and helping others 
and I am sure alot of you guys are aswell has anyone setup a similar venture? 

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[Hampshire] Stuff for sale

[Ally Biggs]

I am having a clear out and have the following items for sale. 

19 inch Acer P193w TFT widescreen 
£35 Excellent condition perfect working order. 

Western Digital 640GB SATA Hard Disk, 16MB Cache.  £25 

Perfect working condition will need to be formatted has Red Hat Enterprise 
installed. ( used as Dev box) 

Upgraded to 2 terabyte and have no longer require. 

Interested? Please contact me 


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Re: [Hampshire] disk types and layout on a new box

[Ally Biggs]

Al just out of curiosity what kind of back up or redundancy do you have in 
place? Need to get a few ideas myself.

Cheers 

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On 27 Sep 2013, at 09:41, "Alan Pope"  wrote:

> Hi Adam,
> 
> On 27 September 2013 08:58, Dr A. J. Trickett  
> wrote:
>> The "bulk" files will probably be VM disk images (multi GB), photos 
>> (many-many
>> multi MB), some video files (iPlayer and DVB recordings), ISO files (not that
>> many but some). Most of these will be written once and read now and then but
>> not change a lot - the VM files will change the most when in use.
>> 
>> Any thoughts on combinations, and file system layout?
> 
> On my desktop I went for SSD for / and 1TB spinning rust for /home. I
> found the 120GB / wasn't used well so I moves some VMs and that makes
> for much better use of space, with the speed improvement too. I just
> don't worry about space anymore now rust is cheap.
> 
> On my Thinkpad laptop I put two SSDs in (one conventional, one mSATA)
> and dual boot.
> 
> When I go back to rust on my other laptop or family computer it feels
> painful after getting used to SATA :(
> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
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Re: [Hampshire] Laptop and TV

[Ally Biggs]

That's the problem with Linux at times if you want to get something to work you 
have to be a professor or have to tinker with config files it's like no just 
plug n play! Why the hell does a average user need to get out of there depth to 
get something simple to work. 

Never had this problem on a Win box hooked up various devices to TV without a 
problem. 



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On 27 Oct 2013, at 11:34, "Leo"  wrote:

> After further investigation, if the TV was set to the "TV input" when the 
> laptop was switched on then pre-X output would show up, but as soon as X 
> started the output was lost. However after a few restarts and shutdowns even 
> this doesn't work. So I haven't been able to capture the output of xrandr. 
> (As an aside is there a way to permanently log all console input/output for 
> use in these situations?)
>  
> What's particularly surprising is that I can't find anything in any logs to 
> help debug this. Coupled with the fact that no config has changed on the 
> laptop since it initially worked I feel like I'm back on windows - there's a 
> problem but insufficient info is available for me to try and fix it!
>  
> Leo
>  
> > Hi Leo
> >
> >
> > On 27 October 2013 01:07, Leo  wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > > Perhaps I should also have added this problem occurs before X starts. I.e.
> > > the first time I connected the TV I could see the boot process messages on
> > > it. However, now even those don't show up.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Have you looked at xrandr, sample output if I run it without switches is:
> >
> > $ xrandr
> > Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 16384 x 16384
> > DVI-I-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
> > DVI-I-1 connected primary 1920x1080+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis
> > y axis) 476mm x 268mm
> >
> > I would also go back to basics and double check I had the TV on the right
> > input channel and the laptop didn't have any switches to enable / disable
> > external displays/
> >
> > Rgds
> >
> > Peter.
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Re: [Hampshire] Debian 7.1 startup problem

[Ally Biggs]

Clean up the fan and heat sink get some Artic silver, Run a benchmark tool I 
run Prime95 and speed fan. Keep a eye on temps this will eliminate any heat 
related issues. Whilst you are cleaning out the heatsink have a look at the 
board for signs of bulging capacitors. 

Remove the PSU and check how much juice the rails are putting out. 

Replace PSU if necessarily I usually go with Tagen, Corsair, Akasa all are well 
built usually can tell by the weight of the supply. Heavier the better :) 

Like people have suggested run memtest I usually do two passes 

Is the computer crashing in linux or failing before? During POST you need it. 

I also run Eurosoft PC Check on all my builds not sure if this is freely 
available good piece of software that checks the internals of the computer. 


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On 9 Nov 2013, at 13:26, "Alex Dicks"  wrote:

> Could be a problem with the power supply.  On an old computer, it took a
> while for the power supply to warm up.  The workaround was to pause at
> the bootloader menu, leave the computer for a while, then reset it.  (It
> would usually freeze withing a minute after being turned on, so letting
> it do that at the bootloader rather than while loading the operating
> system saved on having to fsck.)  The solution was to buy a new power
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Re: [Hampshire] NASs

[Ally Biggs]

Just get a old PC whack a few decent sized drives in it and get Freenas on 
there. 

I had it running on a old school pentium 3 server build it was happily chugging 
along serving up files for over 2 years. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Jan 2014, at 18:21, "john"  wrote:

> I abandoned NAS a long time ago as cost in-efficient.
> 
> The way I go now is to use a SATA drive caddy - cost £12 to £20 and use
> Samba.
> 
> Hard disk size.  Your choice.
> 
> the following will detect and mount the drive caddy disk.
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> ls /dev/sd?
> for i in /sys/class/scsi_host/host*/scan
> do
>  echo "- - -" >> $i
> done
> 
> /sbin/sfdisk -s
> ls /dev/sd?
> 
> The first line of output is what is already mounted
> The second line will give you what is mounted plus the new hard disk
> 
> The following will unmount the disk when changing it.
> #!/bin/bash
> if [ $# != 1 ]; then
>  echo "Synopsis: stopsata.sh "
>  exit 1
> fi
> export DRIVE=$1
> for i in $(mount | grep ${DRIVE} | awk '{print $1}'); do
>  echo Unmounting $i
> umount $i 
> done
> echo Powering down ${DRIVE}
> echo 1 >> /sys/block/${DRIVE}/device/delete
> echo You may now safely disconnect the drive
> 
> example: sudo ./stopsata.sh sdc
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 09:33:31 +
> DAWE C  wrote:
> 
>> I would like a NAS at home, on which I can store lots of files and
>> have them accessible from both Limux and Widnows.  (I am trying to
>> avoid the mistake I made w few years ago, when I got a network disc
>> which needed a driver to access, so was only available from certain
>> versions of Widnows!).
>> 
>> Any recommendations from people?
>> 
>> Chris
> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Over heating CPU

[Ally Biggs]

Yeah it's gotta be the thermal paste I have worked on alot of kit over the 
years where the original supplier has used cheap cement type paste with has a 
habit of drying up completely over the years leaving you with a toaster. Also 
is a common occurrence with laptops again lost count of the amount of machines 
I have repaired due to fans clogging up with crap and rubbish thermal paste.

I usually get Arctic Silver and have used Arctic Cooling freezers for the all 
my builds. Got one rocking a Intel Ivybridge 3.5Ghz has no issues. Your should 
be able to pick up a older version for your socket type on ebay.

I usually fire up a live cd (falcon4) afterwards and run Speedfan and torture 
test builds with prime95

Are there any good Linux benchmark tools? Would be handy to add to my arsenal :)



> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 11:31:36 +0100
> From: i.d.c.p...@ntlworld.com
> To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Hampshire] Over heating CPU
> 
> Hmm, I suspect I may be getting a similar problem with my box (2 x 
> Opteron 2GHz dual core processors); if I work it too hard (processor 
> loading up to 90ish% on all four cores) it just shuts down. I suspect it 
> will be an "interesting" task to take off the Zalman coolers, re-paste 
> and refit...
> 
> Ian
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> On 13/04/14 23:49, Dr A. J. Trickett wrote:
> > On Sunday 13 Apr 2014, you wrote:
> >>> My gut feeling is that the CPU cooler paste is probably past it?
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >> I seem to get about 3 years from modern stuff; at 7, your machine is long
> >> overdue for a re-pasting.
> >>
> >> Make sure you clean off all the old crud with acetone or similar, then
> >> replace with fresh stuff. I'm unconvinced that any one brand is better
> >> than another - I use a large tube of Servisol.
> > It seems everyone is of the same opinion. Something to do over Easter...
> >
> >
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Re: [Hampshire] What XBMC Hardware?

[Ally Biggs]

Build a mini ITX rig put in a i3 doesn't have to be the latest and greatest 
revision wise. Get yourself 4 gig of DDR_3 and a mid range graphics card. That 
way if you get bored of XBMC you can reuse it as a server you can get a few 
decent mini ITX cases that can house a few 2.5 drives. I like the Bit Fenix 
ones myself. You can get a remote off eBay for peanuts ;)

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Imran Chaudhry
Sent: ‎22/‎04/‎2014 08:11 PM
To: Hampshire LUG Discussion List
Subject: [Hampshire] What XBMC Hardware?

Hi All,

I'm putting my Xbox systems slowly out to pasture as we move to a hi-def world.

I'm after decent hardware to run XBMC on, I've already tried
OpenElec/Raspberry Pi but was not satisfied with it. I've bought a WD
Live Media Player which I am similarly not 100% happy with.

My requirements are:

* must have power on/off via remote
* must be small footprint
* menu click sounds
* quick response with no lag between button press and on-screen menu
* able to play hi-def including 1080p via HDMI
* remote that is easy to configure
* at least one USB port
* optical digital audio out nice but not essential

Do any of you run XBMC on such hardware?

I've seen a bewildering array of low-cost devices on eBay based on
Android but there seem to be umpteen million variations so it looks
like a minefield to me.

Thanks!

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Re: [Hampshire] What XBMC Hardware?

[Ally Biggs]

There is a thread on xda_developers site about XBMC best box?

Some good info on there ;)

When you do eventually  get one let me know how you get on with it. Currently I 
am running XBMC on top of Win 7 which isn't ideal like yourself would like to 
get a dedicated box.

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Imran Chaudhry<mailto:ichaud...@gmail.com>
Sent: ‎22/‎04/‎2014 08:38 PM
To: Hampshire LUG Discussion List<mailto:hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [Hampshire] What XBMC Hardware?

Thanks Ally, I'll consider that but I'd prefer something ready made even if
I had to mod/jailbreak it.

Another requirement:
* fast startup and shutdown
On 22 Apr 2014 20:23, "Ally Biggs"  wrote:

>  Build a mini ITX rig put in a i3 doesn't have to be the latest and
> greatest revision wise. Get yourself 4 gig of DDR_3 and a mid range
> graphics card. That way if you get bored of XBMC you can reuse it as a
> server you can get a few decent mini ITX cases that can house a few 2.5
> drives. I like the Bit Fenix ones myself. You can get a remote off eBay for
> peanuts ;)
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
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> Sent: ‎22/‎04/‎2014 08:11 PM
> To: Hampshire LUG Discussion List 
> Subject: [Hampshire] What XBMC Hardware?
>
>  Hi All,
>
> I'm putting my Xbox systems slowly out to pasture as we move to a hi-def
> world.
>
> I'm after decent hardware to run XBMC on, I've already tried
> OpenElec/Raspberry Pi but was not satisfied with it. I've bought a WD
> Live Media Player which I am similarly not 100% happy with.
>
> My requirements are:
>
> * must have power on/off via remote
> * must be small footprint
> * menu click sounds
> * quick response with no lag between button press and on-screen menu
> * able to play hi-def including 1080p via HDMI
> * remote that is easy to configure
> * at least one USB port
> * optical digital audio out nice but not essential
>
> Do any of you run XBMC on such hardware?
>
> I've seen a bewildering array of low-cost devices on eBay based on
> Android but there seem to be umpteen million variations so it looks
> like a minefield to me.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [Hampshire] What XBMC Hardware?

[Ally Biggs]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00CAT7XZY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2STUBEL6AWE1D

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Slimline-Portable-Hard-Drive/dp/B00FZU9JYI/ref=pd_cp_computers_3

That's what I am going to use for the setup, The 
XstreamTec Linux XBMC Midnight M3 - IPTV Mini Web Streaming HTPC Media Player
  Reviews are good and it's a pure Linux Box :) hooking up a two terabyte 
drive containing my media collection. Can Also stream and pull down data via 
smb shares if required.




Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 10:16:08 +0100
From: an...@piatek.co.uk
To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Hampshire] What XBMC Hardware?

Fwiw I use an Intel atom ion board with xbmc and the xbmc remote app on my 
phone to control it

Anton

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On 23 Apr 2014 10:00, "Peter Collins"  wrote:

Hi Imran


On 22 April 2014 20:09, Imran Chaudhry  wrote:





I'm after decent hardware to run XBMC on, I've already tried

OpenElec/Raspberry Pi but was not satisfied with it. I've bought a WD

Live Media Player which I am similarly not 100% happy with.



My requirements are:



* must have power on/off via remote

* must be small footprint

* menu click sounds

* quick response with no lag between button press and on-screen menu

* able to play hi-def including 1080p via HDMI

* remote that is easy to configure

* at least one USB port

* optical digital audio out nice but not essential



I have also been looking for such a device which would fit nicely in the family 
lounge but wont cost a fortune and have just come across this device:

http://cubox-i.com/table/



According to the manufacturer the CuBox-i4Pro is ideal and comes with the IR 
transmitter and receiver. It also includes Optical S/PDIFAudio Out If you 
plunge in and try one I would be interested to hear your feedback.



Rgds

Peter.
@tripleclones



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Re: [Hampshire] Disk copy/duplication for upgrade.

[Ally Biggs]

Sysprep the machine and run Acronis true image alternatively you can download 
the WAIK set of tools for Windows for free and use tools such as Imagex to 
capture the image can also do more advanced stuff such as injecting drivers by 
use of DISM. You then boot the machine up using WinPe 3.0 and deploy your image.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/download/details.aspx?id=5753

I tend to stick with Acornis myself hasn't let me down 

Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 20:31:48 +0100
From: pet...@gmail.com
To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Hampshire] Disk copy/duplication for upgrade.

Dd I think is the best and quickest I have come across
On 5 May 2014 15:28, "Andy Random"  wrote:



Hi,



Any suggestions on the best/current tools for duplicating a HD?



I have a Win7 laptop that I want to upgrade the disk in it so I can dual boot 
it with Linux.



I have a replacement disk, but want to duplicate the exiting one onto the new 
drive.



I've used Clonezilla before to do this kind of thing on a desktop where I can 
have both drives connected at once, but I'm not sure the best way to do this on 
a laptop where only one disk can be connected at a time.




Any suggestions?



  Andy



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Re: [Hampshire] What XBMC Hardware?

[Ally Biggs]

Hey Imran where is a good place to pick one up? For a good price

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Imran Chaudhry
Sent: ‎12/‎05/‎2014 06:14 PM
To: Hampshire LUG Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Hampshire] What XBMC Hardware?

Hi Stuart,

I think Michael Pavling has the Revo 3600 which does not have the
optical out - there is an config change needed to get menu sounds I
think.

I ended up getting a Revo 3610 - which sounds like what you have. This
does have optical out. It was really easy to set-up with OpenElec.
Everything "just worked" - even my RC6 Microsoft Media Center remote
all works. Wireless Logitech keyboard just works. Standby/resume just
works.

The hardest bit was replacing the HDD, Acer really don't want you to
open these things. I had to pry it open with a screwdriver and the
help of some YouTube videos. It's quick even with a spinning rust HDD
so I don't think an SSD will gain me much.

Anyway, it's early days with it but just wanted to report that all is
well so far. The Acer Revo 36x0 seems like an ideal, HD-capable and
relatively cheap XBMC appliance like the old XBox was.

By the way, did you choose NFS because it gives better streaming
performance than Samba?


On 28 April 2014 08:14, Stuart Sears  wrote:
> On 27/04/14 10:25, Imran Chaudhry wrote:
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> Replies inline:
> [snip]
>>> At home I've got a couple of XBMC machines set up, both Atom boards. One's
>>> an Acer Aspire Revo - it's okay, but was a little fiddly to get all the
>>> audio configured. The other was a Zotac Zbox (can't remember exactly which
>>> model though) and it was a breeze to set up (I went with XBMCbuntu rather
>>> than OpenElec), and it runs the TV in the living room. Pretty much on all
>>> the time; we never watch broadcast telly.
>>
>> Good to hear another point that the Acer Revo works fine. I did the
>> research so I know about the sound fiddles but it has been solved.
>> I've bookmarked some blogs/forum posts where they list the config file
>> changes needed.
>
> FWIW I have one of these as my XBMC machine, plugged in over HDMI and
> also using the optical out to my AV amplifier.
>
> Audio out on either/both of these "just work" using the newest openelec
> build or generic xbmc on top of another distro (although I've stuck with
> openelec now, it's a single-purpose box)
>
> what are these supposed audio problems? I've never had any.
>
> [snip]
>>> At home I do run a separate file-server for the media (the XBMC boxes has
>>> little SSDs to keep them quiet), and a shared SQL server for the app
>>> database,
>
> ditto, MySQL and NFS on an HP microserver for me, streamed over 300M
> powerline adapters. Getting the external DB up and running in openelec
> requires a bit of cmdline-fu but that's not particularly difficult and
> there are entries on the XBMC wiki on how to achieve it.
>
> Works
>
> Stuart
>
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[Hampshire] Books for sale

[Ally Biggs]

Hi guys I am having a clear out and have the following items for sale

The Definitive guide to Samba3 - £5.00 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Definitive-Guide-Samba-3/dp/1590592778/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401805507&sr=8-1&keywords=samba+3+roderick+smith

Linux Administration a beginners guide - £10.00

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linux-Administration-Beginners-Edition-Network/dp/0071767584/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401805563&sr=8-1&keywords=linux+administration+wale


Linux+ Study guide (Outdated) Roderick smith - £5.00

http://www.amazon.co.uk/CompTIA-Linux-Complete-LX0-101-LX0-102/dp/0470888458/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1401805625&sr=8-3&keywords=Linux%2B+roderick+smith


The Official Ubuntu Server book ( newest Edition) £10.00

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Official-Ubuntu-Server-Book/dp/0133017532/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1401805669&sr=8-7&keywords=ubuntu+server+guide


Let me know if interested 

Many Thanks


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Re: [Hampshire] Work opportunity - Server support for SMEs

[Ally Biggs]

I am at a loose end wouldn't mind the opportunity to shadow someone / learn 
some stuff if possible? I have plenty of free time :) 

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:24:13 +
From: edward.beckm...@gmail.com
To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: [Hampshire] Work opportunity - Server support for SMEs

Hi

I am looking for someone to set up and run linux systems for small and medium 
businesses. Typical uses will be related to CRM and / or ERP, almost always 
using the more common open source packages. My role in these businesses focuses 
on their setup, marketing and growth but I want to work in partnership with 
another to offer some of the infrastructure to go with it.

The demand is far from full-time at the moment so I need to work with someone 
who has their own client base or source of income. However, I cannot partner 
with a busy contractor who is available for a few days but then has to 
disappear for weeks because of a demanding contract - I can caretake some of 
the technical functions but not jobshare.

Call me on 01256 806596 / 07715 539386 to chat this one over.

Thanks for reading, folks.
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Re: [Hampshire] Firewall hardware

[Ally Biggs]

Or acquire a older Pentium 3 / 4 computer from somewhere put two network cards 
in it install Debian configure iptables job done. 

Why the need to spend lots of money on this? 

> From: gor...@gscott.co.uk
> To: li...@fractal.me.uk
> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 09:40:15 +
> CC: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Hampshire] Firewall hardware
> 
> On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 23:07 +, Leo wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for that. Although part of me is a little unsure about going for 
> > a non-arm or x86 based setup. So now I'm wondering if buying a cheap 
> > router and flashing it with openwrt is the way to go...
> 
> I'm sceptical that you'll find many firewalls that are not either x86 or
> ARM. They're both pretty much ubiquitous now. Skimming through the
> OpenWRT hardware list, it looks like there are a few MIPS and PowerPC
> based units out there.
> 
> The ARM architectures are, of course, licensed intellectual property, so
> many chips that don't have the word ARM in the name are still an ARM
> inside.
> 
> Whatever platform, there's a distinct advantage in having the software
> on a physically write-protected memory medium. My guess is that most of
> the hardware listed on OpenWRT is just that.
> 
> My personal thought for looking to a micro-PC type device were that I
> then have full control of the software and don't again get bitten by
> buying a new, fairly expensive, router that, despite what it says on the
> box and website, appears not properly to support IPv6. Sole reason for
> purchase :-(
> 
> Gordon.
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Re: [Hampshire] Python GUI

[Ally Biggs]

http://python-gtk-3-tutorial.readthedocs.org/en/latest/builder.html

https://glade.gnome.org/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KrgCrPp3w4

The above might be useful, Glade.

> From: gor...@gscott.co.uk
> To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:30:34 +
> Subject: [Hampshire] Python GUI
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Can anyone suggest a sensible+working GUI-Builder, etc., for use with
> Python?
> 
> Preferably, but not necessarily, one that also works with Ruby and/or
> Tcl.
> 
> I now have prototype GUI interfaces attempts built with five different
> builders, not one of which runs because of some apparently
> insurmountable bug or missing package/option.
> 
> FWIW, my most complete prototype was built with Glade-3, but I seem not
> to have a python GUI package that runs with GTK3.
> 
> I'd prefer to use Python for this as there are a couple or three
> appropriate and fairly stable packages that I would like to use, and
> I'll also be interfacing with some other Python stuff.
> 
> Gordon.
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Re: [Hampshire] Python GUI

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Awesome stuff :) Can I ask you a Python related question? currently I am 
learning Bash Scripting to automate a few administration tasks, But eventually 
would like to make the transition to either Python or Ruby. 

Regarding Python is it more feasible to learn version 2 or 3? I mean how long 
is 2 going to be supported for? Or should I forget 2 altogether and just focus 
on 3. 

Again was going to use Python for administration, I am a noob when it comes to 
programming but wold like to eventually be able to create a script with various 
options from a menu driven system all presented in a nice GUI. That is the 
eventual aim. 

I take it you have programmed for a while and are a god compared to myself :)

> From: gor...@gscott.co.uk
> To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 10:31:53 +
> Subject: Re: [Hampshire] Python GUI
> 
> 
> Fixed a couple of other "that's changed" bugs and I now have a working
> GUI, though just yet it does little of use.  It's time to start
> populating those place-holders.
> 
> Gordon.
> 
> On Fri, 2015-02-20 at 09:08 +, Gordon Scott wrote:
> > On Thu, 2015-02-19 at 21:25 +, Ally Biggs wrote:
> > > http://python-gtk-3-tutorial.readthedocs.org/en/latest/builder.html
> > 
> > That one has certainly helped. All the other documents I have refer to
> > importing gtk while that one refers to Gtk. Gtk is found and loaded.
> > 
> > When one reads the friendly manual, it does help if the friendly manual
> > is correct :-(
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Dead touch pad on laptop that use to work okay

[Ally Biggs]

Have you tried it on another O/S? / live distro. Could also be a sign of liquid 
damage just chucking some ideas out there 

> From: adam.trick...@iredale.net
> To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 11:52:58 +0100
> Subject: [Hampshire] Dead touch pad on laptop that use to work okay
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've a 6 year old Novatech laptop and the touch pad just stopped responding.
> 
> I can still see that the kernel has detected an touch pad device and the 
> buttons in it still work, as does the Fn+F1 to turn it on and off (well it 
> turns the buttons on and off). I can use a external mouse - which is better 
> in 
> most respects - but it's still annoying.
> 
> Anyone have any bright ideas? It's not been dropped, abused or had any 
> significant changes made to it. It us running Debian stable.
> 
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