Gotta give Microsoft kudos where it's due, setting up active directory, group policies and domain functionality is a walk in the park compared to Linux. someone really needs to write a plain English guide on how to deploy and integrate Linux in a windows environment. The documentation needs to be clear, concise, updated and work on numerous popular Linux distros such as Debian or Redhat. Sure there are numerous guides and distros like Sme server and tools like webmin to make the setting up and administration side less painful but when things go wrong and your left staring at a config file or a terminal window thinking wtf do I do now? Then things can be a pain in the ass unless you are a Linux god or can afford to get a Linux consultant which is a additional expense and could be avoided if you deployed server 2k8 r2 :)
Sent from my iPhone On 8 Apr 2012, at 23:01, "Bryn Jones" <hants...@http-420.co.uk> wrote: > Oh yeah its all theory but things like SME server says it's not only doable > but comes in a box at times. It also has to be 100% supportable by me ar > anyone with enough knowledge. Walking into a network to troubleshoot someones > insane one off implementation of something really mad and obscure has been > part of my life for a long time :) (is it wrong I enjoy it though?) > > It's not "core" to their needs they can bimble along..... As a "consultant" I > think it will improve their lives a bit, authentication is not the main > reason I'm moving them to more server side stuff (backups, firewalls yada > yada)..... I just wrote a huge recommendations doc mainly full of neat lil > tweaks they can do to make life easier on their own. > > I am aware that Windows AD is simple, it also costs. When budget=£0 (or > around that) then a bit of creativity goes a long way...... > > On 08/04/12 22:42, Ian Grody wrote: >> >> With all due respect, LDAP is nice and all and is quite versatile and useful >> etc etc etc. >> >> However, as much I am a hardcore BSD/Linux user, m$ active directory >> excretes all over LDAP many, many fold, as hard as it is for me to admit >> this. I wont go into all the technicals, using Linux for LDAP in a Win >> domain would be a fun project and something to "try out" - But, I would be >> somewhat weary of relying on it unless you know exactly what you are getting >> yourself into. >> >> On the other hand, new users to Linux coming from win benefit in many ways... >> >> Examples: Be offline when testing; >> >> Install a webcam on both Windows & Linux and time how long it takes before >> you get to see a live picture from it. >> >> Do the same with any USB storage device & time how long it takes to be able >> to read or write to the device. >> >> Do the same for a usb bluetooth or wifi device. >> >> Do the same for a mass majority of hardware & you will notice win has to go >> online almost each time to obtain a driver. Most times out of 10, Linux >> already has one and works out of the box. >> >> Now, doing something like using Linux as an AD for Win domain, takes a lot >> of time, effort & work. It is highly doable and yes, there are lots of >> documents. But, what happens if it breaks and you are not about..!? >> >> As I say, be fun to try as a project.... >> >> >> Ian >> >> >> >> On 08/04/2012 17:42, Tony Wood wrote: >>> >>> +1 to Ally's remarks. >>> As a relative newcomer to Linux, I was at first somewhat put off by the >>> quick-fire geekiness I saw in these mailing lists. >>> I'm glad now that I persisted and am amazed at the difference now that I >>> and my wife have gone 100% Linux: FAR less hassle; fewer clicks to do what >>> we want; and the support from other users is the stuff of dreams. >>> Even Terminal is becoming a pussycat; I really appreciate the way it >>> doesn't chide you - it politely suggests a course of action to 'try' and >>> which actually WORKS. >>> I've always liked cars and motorbikes that seem to be 'on my side' and >>> don't try to catch me out. >>> Linux seems to be firmly on my side. >>> >>> Tony Wood >>> (Netbook) >>> >>> On 08/04/12 12:35, Ally Biggs wrote: >>>> >>>> I agree with Stuart I have had a lot of experiences of Linux users slating >>>> windows or calling it windozes and stupid names, And you are right it does >>>> make people unwelcome. Linux and windows both bring something unique to >>>> the table both have there pros and cons. linux for the server side and >>>> windows for the home. Linux will never be as big as windows for home use >>>> you only have to look at microsofts market share to see this. and hey if >>>> learning about Microsoft enables me to better my wages then so be it I >>>> will continue to learn and support both I wish people would not be so anal >>>> about linux yes it is more stable and yes it can be run on a variety of >>>> different hardware yes it can be a pain in the ass making the transition >>>> from windows to Nix, and it doesn't help when the majority of Linux >>>> communities are full of god like beings who expect you to be some kind of >>>> terminal / programming guru, Sometimes I don't want to spend days reading >>>> outdated documentation and guides >>>> on how to set up a domain controller why waste all that time when I can >>>> click one button in ms products. sure I've setup a dc the open source way >>>> but by the time a newbie like myself did it Microsoft would of broke that >>>> version of samba lol >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 8 Apr 2012, at 11:19, "Stuart Sears" <stu...@sjsears.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 13:44:42 +0100, Bryn Jones wrote: >>>>> [snip, hopefully without attribution errors] >>>>>> Also would M$ Windoze be more acceptable? >>>>> No, not really. It looks and sounds childish to me. >>>>> Constant references to Microsoft and Windows like this (which often >>>>> appear in publicly searchable archives) just put non-Linux users off and >>>>> make the Linux community look like a bunch of childish nerds. The more I >>>>> work with both technologies, the more it seems these attitudes cause >>>>> windows-centric people who have expressed an interest in open source and >>>>> Linux to feel unwelcome. They just cause enmity and do "the cause" (if >>>>> there is one) more harm than good. >>>>> If you want to encourage people to investigate Linux and open source as >>>>> viable alternatives to their current systems it's important to not treat >>>>> them like idiots or make them feel picked-on in some way. >>>>> >>>>> Just my 2p-worth. Don't take it personally, it's not intended that way. >>>>> >>>>>> (hey I used to work on Windows solely and would have happily >>>>>> told people to just buy SBS and get on with it. 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