Re: [Hampshire] JOB | sysadmin/infra engineer (UK/Singapore)

[Joseph Bennie via Hampshire]

I thought about it, but I’d be learning on the job , im too rusty. 

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> On 12 Jun 2023, at 09:43, James Tobin via Hampshire 
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> 
> Hello, I'm working with an employer that is looking to hire someone to
> be responsible for the modernisation of their on prem environment.
> There will be lots of VMware and traditional sysadmin work; moving
> into more of a Kubernetes/ Python/infra-as-code heavy role only once
> the migration project is completed. Consequently I had hoped that some
> members of this group may like to discuss.  I can be reached using
> "JamesBTobin (at) Gmail (dot) Com".  Kind regards, James
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Re: [Hampshire] mounting a logical volume

[Joseph Bennie via Hampshire]

peter either use dd to block copy your ssd to a new disk or

use gparted on a live rescue disk to do the same. 

it will also allow you to move /resize your partitions 

once copied you should be safe to make a change to the original. 

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> On 18 Feb 2022, at 21:56, Peter Alefounder via Hampshire 
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> 
> Thank you Joseph and James.
> 
> Looks like I did not make things clear. This is not a new disk, it is one
> that held the system and all my files before the main board on the machine
> failed and was replaced. The new system and files are on a SSD. However, 
> that is now half full, and I would like to regain access to the original
> disk.
> 
> James Dutton said:
>> LVM has 3 levels.
>> 1) Physical Volume.  the "pv"
>> 2) Volume Ground. the "vg"
>> 3) Logical Volume. the "lv"
> 
> That is useful - I could guess the meaning of PV and LV, but had no
> idea about VG.
> 
>> If you have defined some LVM partitions, then the command to use is 
>> lvdisplay.
>> It will list the available LVs.
> 
> That is the problem. For the disk in question, lvdisplay does not give
> a LV name, it just says:
>  WARNING: PV /dev/sde5 in VG debian is using an old PV header, modify 
> the VG to update.
> 
> Your advice gave me sufficient information for a further internet search.   
> It appears I could try vgck. Is it safe to do that on a mounted filesystem?
> The --updatemetadata option would correct the header. However, the SSD is
> in the same VG. I do not want to risk damaging the file system there.
> 
> Peter Alefounder.
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Re: [Hampshire] Large Backup for long term storage

[Joseph Bennie via Hampshire]

buy cheap pc or raid storage device and archive to that. at least it will just 
power up and you can access over lan, so in ten yrs you wount be routing around 
for that legacy cable you need.

Hd has been my pref for over 20yrs ... 2x5TB external segate drives. I have had 
some losses but with error checking and pairs of drives , it’s usually 
recoverable.

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On 6 Apr 2021, at 12:23, rmluglist2--- via Hampshire 
 wrote:


Hi all

I’ll spare you all the detail but I need to backup 16Tb to some sort of archive 
– i.e. unlikely to ever need it in a hurry.   I know 16Tb is a lot for a “home” 
situation but I can’t find anything reasonable.  Can anyone tell me if there’s 
an option I’m missing:

I’ve looked at:
* HDD (the cheapest and most fragile)
* Tape (the dearest but prone to mechanical failure) and
* Cloud (privacy issues and would mean an ongoing cost as well as a dreadful 
time to upload (16Tb over a 16MBps upload is no joke – and would mean a lot of 
checksums to make sure it was all ok once uploaded).

What I need to know is if I’ve missed an “obvious” solution?   Is SD card 
reliable for long term storage.

Cheers
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Re: [Hampshire] 8% Packet loss due to ethernet cable

[Joseph Bennie via Hampshire]

Actually the issue is more likely naturally collisions on the network.

I noted that you said ‘hub’ not ‘switch’.

A switch has logic to balance all the traffic, like traffic lights (gross 
simplification).

where as a hub is like all the lights are always green/ no lights at all, and 
you just take your chance crossing.

With a switch when there are more devices on the network it manages a 
controlled degradation, like lights at a roundabout. That leads to slower 
response times but high reliablity.

With a hub : well its pot luck. packets bouce and need to be resent futher 
amplifying the chaos. the more devices. the more chaotic.

so sall that really happened when you changed the cable was the traffic settled 
and the previous collisions cleared.

the other factor might just be old age - simple oxidation of the connections

So : a basic switch is probably a wise purchase. :)

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On 4 Mar 2021, at 14:49, Marc Loftus via Hampshire 
 wrote:


Hi Rob

Ethernet cables should have a quality rating on them. You may have been using a 
Cat 5 cable. Cat 5 have a certain bandwidth and can support 10 or 100 Mbps 
speed. Older cables may work depending on length and interference as you have 
experienced.

Shielding is another concern. If the cable runs near a power cable, some of the 
traffic can be interfered with hence the 8% loss.

I try to use Cat6 or Cat6e cables.   With cat6E you are also future proofing a 
little as well as home routers and network interfaces improve.

Marc

On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 at 12:09, rmluglist2--- via Hampshire 
mailto:hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk>> wrote:
Hi all

I’ve been experiencing some network issues I’ve never seen before (in 20 years 
of (admittedly home LAN) experience).   One of my machines was showing 8% 
packet loss when pinging the same site as another machine on the same hub at 
the same time which was reporting 0%.   This proves it had to be a local fault 
and sure enough – swapping the 8% machine’s cable for a new one resulted in 0% 
loss.

What I find odd though is why not 0% or 100%?   Surely the wires inside the 
cable can only break – it wasn’t as if the cable was being moved around – it 
was stationary.  To lose one packet every 12 or so seems very odd for a cable 
issue.

As I say, with new cable installed, it’s now at 0% packet loss so all is well 
that ends well but would the issue have been to do with:
a) the length of the cable or
b) the quality of the cable or
c) both?

Cheers
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Re: [Hampshire] Wireless access points

[Joseph Bennie via Hampshire]

Hi roger, even using a differend sid , you would be on the same lan or a nat’d 
derivative of it. you would need to tunnel through to another subnet or use  5 
real ips on the persons network and create 2 distinct lans.

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> On 10 May 2018, at 21:35, Roger Munford via Hampshire 
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> 
> I have constructed a link across some fields to a small remote church in 
> order to connect their solar array for real time monitoring.
> 
> The link starts at a private house which has wi fi router. The owner is happy 
> to share his wi fi because he is away most of the time but does not want any 
> cabling at all in his house. The network login details are entered here.
> 
> I have a TP Link TL-WA86ORE wi fi extender which has a single Ethernet port 
> which allows a connection to the wifi network. This is situated on the corner 
> of a barn about 20 meters from the house.
> 
> I then have an ethernet cable which leads to a TP LINK CPE 510 on the other 
> side of the building which forms a bridge to the another CPE 510 on the 
> church across the fields. An ethernet cable connects to the solar inverter 
> and it all seems to work nicely.
> 
> However I have been asked if I could include a wireless access point in the 
> church using this link. In fairness to the generous donor who is happy for it 
> to go ahead, I want to ensure that everybody is not logging on directly to 
> his network. Would it be possible to to provide an access point with its own 
> SSID?. If so what hardware should I be looking for?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Roger
> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Linux support required in Southampton

[Joseph Bennie via Hampshire]

They should speak to https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/

They origin from within the lug circles.

On 30 Jun 2017, at 15:51, Chris Dennis via Hampshire 
> wrote:

On 29/06/17 13:29, Chris Dennis via Hampshire wrote:
Hello HantsLuggers

I've just had a phone call from someone in Southampton who needs support for a 
couple of Linux laptops.  They've had all sorts of issues, and bad experiences 
of people offering to provide help but only making things worse.

They have one old laptop with important data on it, and a newish Dell that came 
with Ubuntu but doesn't work properly.

If anyone who lives nearer Southampton than me (I'm in Fordingbridge) is 
interested in providing support (in exchange for money), then please contact me 
off list, and I'll put you in touch.

Cheers

Chris

Thank you to those who replied.  I've put the potential client in contact with 
a Southampton-based HantsLugger, so hopefully the problems will all get solved.

Cheers

Chris

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Re: [Hampshire] Raspberry Pi based Air quality monitoring project

[Joseph Bennie via Hampshire]

great, ill dig it out and upload to github. 

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> On 9 May 2017, at 19:25, Roger Munford via Hampshire 
> <hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Jay,
> 
> this would be well worth looking at. I can foresee that when the data starts 
> flowing which is a priority at the moment, some serious consideration must be 
> given to the analysis of that data. I know from my own experience that the 
> sensor characteristics and siting are very important. They have probably 
> given that some thought.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Roger
> 
> 
> 
>> On 09/05/17 18:33, Joseph Bennie via Hampshire wrote:
>> This may be of your interest. about 20 years ago i worked with 2 bp execs 
>> that founded a project to monitor air quality in brazil. It was their way of 
>> giving back in retirment.
>> 
>> I have a few archive disks containing spreadsheet models and math which my 
>> be useful to the project. As both execs have passed away now. it would be 
>> nice if their work lived on and did some good.
>> 
>> feel free to contact me directly.
>> Jay
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On 9 May 2017, at 18:09, Tim via Hampshire <hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 09/05/17 13:32, Thomas Kluyver via Hampshire wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Roger Munford via Hampshire wrote:
>>>>> They have raced ahead developing the monitor but have now reached the
>>>>> point of early deployment and have come against an unexpected problem.
>>>>> How to organise themselves. They are about to receive some grant funding
>>>>> but need some sort of organisation to account for cash flow, insurance
>>>>> and some expenses so far small but becoming significant. They want to be
>>>>> non profit making and totally open source as you would expect butt hey
>>>>> need advice on a structure. Any suggestions?
>>>> It might be sufficient to organise as a university society - it's not
>>>> unusual for student societies to handle some money. The sailing robot
>>>> project I presented a couple of months ago is organised as the 'Maritime
>>>> Robotics Student Society', and we were able to accept some money from
>>>> the university and manage it through the university finance system.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know much about the organisational side of our project, but I
>>>> could put them in touch with the people who do if they want to know more
>>>> about what we did.
>>>> 
>>>> Thomas
>>>> 
>>> Does the Project have a web page?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Raspberry Pi based Air quality monitoring project

[Joseph Bennie via Hampshire]

This may be of your interest. about 20 years ago i worked with 2 bp execs that 
founded a project to monitor air quality in brazil. It was their way of giving 
back in retirment. 

I have a few archive disks containing spreadsheet models and math which my be 
useful to the project. As both execs have passed away now. it would be nice if 
their work lived on and did some good. 

feel free to contact me directly. 
Jay 

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> On 9 May 2017, at 18:09, Tim via Hampshire  
> wrote:
> 
>> On 09/05/17 13:32, Thomas Kluyver via Hampshire wrote:
>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Roger Munford via Hampshire wrote:
>>> They have raced ahead developing the monitor but have now reached the
>>> point of early deployment and have come against an unexpected problem.
>>> How to organise themselves. They are about to receive some grant funding
>>> but need some sort of organisation to account for cash flow, insurance
>>> and some expenses so far small but becoming significant. They want to be
>>> non profit making and totally open source as you would expect butt hey
>>> need advice on a structure. Any suggestions?
>> It might be sufficient to organise as a university society - it's not
>> unusual for student societies to handle some money. The sailing robot
>> project I presented a couple of months ago is organised as the 'Maritime
>> Robotics Student Society', and we were able to accept some money from
>> the university and manage it through the university finance system.
>> 
>> I don't know much about the organisational side of our project, but I
>> could put them in touch with the people who do if they want to know more
>> about what we did.
>> 
>> Thomas
>> 
> Does the Project have a web page?
> 
> 
> Tim
> 
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Re: [Hampshire] Desktop PC & large bundle of PC parts / electronics / network cards etc

[Joseph Bennie via Hampshire]

Hi Imran, 

Interested but a little out of my way to collect (I live in cornwall). when do 
you need it removed? 

I expect I'll be passing through hampshire in the next two months with the 
car... but I wouldn't travel just for this. 

best regards
Jay 




> On 8 Jan 2017, at 17:03, Imran Chaudhry via Hampshire 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> 
> I have reduced this bundle to £25 if anyone is interested - thanks
> 
> On 2 January 2017 at 18:17, Imran Chaudhry  wrote:
>> Happy New Year to all :)
>> 
>> I had a Christmas clearout - full details below.
>> 
>> Photos of the bundle: http://imgur.com/a/p3wvm
>> 
>> I'm asking £50 for the lot.
>> 
>> Large bundle of computer parts - you will be able to build a perfectly
>> decent working desktop PC with this lot plus a couple of low-power
>> Compaq servers - and still have plenty of parts to spare!
>> 
>> Good for someone who maintains and tinkers with computers as a hobby
>> or business or for education/learning purposes.
>> 
>> DESKTOP PC CASE / MOTHERBOARD / CPU / MEMORY
>> 
>> I have had this case for 15 years and it has performed extremely well.
>> Good looking with outer door (lockable - child/kid proof - I have the
>> key), quiet and efficient with rubber grommits on the cages. I only
>> selling it because I use my laptop more often. I was running it very
>> happily with Windows 10 on an SSD and it booted up super-quick in a
>> few seconds.
>> 
>> Full specs below but in summary it comes fitted with an A-bit
>> motherboard, an Intel Core 2 Duo CPU with a top-notch Zalman fan and
>> 4Gb of OCZ RAM with heatsinks. Not the latest and greatest but good
>> enough for a second PC or kids homework PC or for an older relative
>> who wants to get onto the internet. All you need to make this usable
>> is a PSU, HDD/SDD and graphics card/GPU. I found the on-board network
>> and sound a bit unreliable so I am including a seperate soundcard and
>> network card fitted.
>> 
>> * Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 @ 3.00GHz / Socket 775 LGA
>> * IP35 Pro motherboard / Intel P35/G33/G31 rev. A2
>> * 4Gb OCZ RAM (4 x 1Gb sticks)
>> * Antec Sonata case in "Piano Black" with component rails, cage trays,
>> assorted screws and bits
>> * Philips DVD-RW with IDE cable (works but sometimes will not eject right 
>> away)
>> 
>> MEMORY
>> 
>> Job lot of various PC and laptop memory modules I have accumulated
>> over the years.
>> 
>> Sold as UNTESTED but I believe all work. I doubt I would keep bad
>> memory around, I would have recycled it.
>> 
>> * 2 x Virtium 256Mb SDRAM SD-168P-UB-25672 / VM374S3323 / Virtium
>> VM374S3323-GLS 256MB PC100 100MHz ECC Unbuffered 168-Pin DIMM Memory
>> Module (VM374S3323GLS)
>> * Samsung 512Mb DDR2-667 PC2-5300, 200p SODIMM, 1.8v / M470T6554EZ3
>> * 2 x Samsung 1Gb 1Rx8 PC3-10600 SODIMM / M471B2873FHS 1.5 volts
>> * 2 x 1Gb DDR 266 PC2100 Unbranded
>> * Micron 256Mb PC2100 DDR / 9704745-01-217 / mt8vddt3264ag-265ca /
>> 256MB 184p PC2100 CL2.5 8c 32x8 DDR DIMM RFB
>> * Aeneon 256MB PC3200 DDR-400MHz non-ECC Unbuffered CL3 184-Pin / DDR
>> 400 CL3 PC3200U-30331 / AED560UD00-500C88X
>> * 256Mb DDR-266 / 1302-04C1 / MDAB-302HA / pq1 brand
>> * 128Mb PCC-133 SDRAM / 053LDGH03040353 / Unbranded
>> * HP 256Mb DDR 333 CL2.5 / p/n 305957-041 / 256MB, 333MHz, DDR333
>> PC2700, 184p DIMM, 2.5v
>> * 2 x Samsung 1Gb 2Rx8 PC2-4200F / M395T2953CZD / DDR2 4200(533)
>> Fully-Buffered ECC SERVER RAM
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>> / 995285-013.a00lf 512mb 1rx8 pc2-4200f 444-11-ao
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>> 
>> * 2 x Compaq Deskpro EN Small Form factor PC (Pentium 3, 256 or 512Mb
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>> * Various capacity IDE HDDs
>> * Various CD/DVD RW drives
>> * Amstrad Sky box with remote and power cable
>> * Laptop DVD drives
>> * Thompson Broadband router with PSU
>> * ASUS 300W PSU / Power Supply
>> * Various AGP/PCI Graphics cards / Sound cards / network cards
>> * Various cables / fans / adaptors etc
>> * SCART and TV cables
>> * Telephone cables
>> 
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Re: [Hampshire] IGMP protocol with BT home hubs

[Joseph Bennie]

BT routers only support igmp v2 if you enable it ... its typically disabled by 
default. (finding it in the advanced settings may take some digging.. look for 
multicast / multicast routing. )

Its more likely however the Pc is acting as the controller and has a firewall, 
and the firewall is either filtering the igmp packets (check in and out rules)  
 or has stealth mode (or equivalent ) enabled.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Group_Management_Protocol

On 7 Mar 2016, at 04:37, James Courtier-Dutton 
> wrote:


Hi,

IGMP is part of the multicast protocol. Generally, it tends to be filtered, so 
will not work across the internet. My guess is that the home hub does not 
support it, but a normal switch should support it. If it is a smart switch, you 
might need to go into the config and spacifically enable multicast.

Kind regards

James

On 6 Mar 2016 18:42, "Roger Munford" 
> 
wrote:
I have a problem with a new, complex system for managing ethernet connected 
solar inverters and the problem may well be down to missing multicasts from a 
BT home hub.

The German manufacturers insist there is nothing wrong but do not have any 
ideas. It is likely that there is a handful of similar setups working in the UK 
but not this one.

The system consists of 3 solar inverters and a controller that is connected 
with a switch which is also connected to the local network and ultimately the 
internet. The inverters and the controller connect to the company server and 
upload data. There is a local configuration programme which runs on a PC and 
connects to each of the inverters. Everything works as expected network wise.

The system has a "heartbeat" so that each inverter gets a message every second 
to continue. If the message does not arrive the inverter automatically shuts 
down and this is this function that is not working.

Buried in the documentation I found the following:   "For the correct function 
. all network devices used must support the IGMP protocol, minimum
required version 2. (IGMP V2)"

I had to look up IGMP having not come across it before. I originally thought 
that the heartbeat signal comes from the controller and so only the switch 
should be required to support IGMP. I couldn't find any reference in the switch 
documentation but assumed that a brand new switch would support it. I tried two 
other switches that were to hand and had the same results.

My latest thought is that the heartbeat may actually come over the internet 
from the company server. That would mean that the network router would have to 
support the IGMP protocol. The network router is an oldish BT home hub. This 
thought has just occurred and I cannot get at it to look because it is some 
miles away.

For anybody that has followed what I have been trying to describe, do BT Home 
hubs support IGMP? is there something in the configuration that 
enables/disables it and is there a test that I can do to verify it?

Thanks for your patience, I hope the above was relatively clear.

Roger


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[Hampshire] UK digital skills report - evolving education to embrace creativity and diversity

[Joseph Bennie]

sharing this x group because it that good. 

 On 19 Feb 2015, at 07:56, Phillip Bicknell wrote:
 
 On 18 February 2015 at 23:47, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
 Qualifications are all very well, but they often don't measure the ability to
 think and create.
 
 Because education stands accused of quashing thinking and creativity:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U
 

+1  this is the most articulated explanation of why the approach to education 
needs to change i’ve ever seen. 

 Although those of us on the autism spectrum might retain the abilities:
 https://www.ted.com/talks/rosie_king_how_autism_freed_me_to_be_myself?language=en
 

I’m not Autistic, but do suffer a mild dyslexia and i’ve come to the conclusion 
that its about modes of I/O, more specifically parallel execution, async 
operation vs in line sequential information processing. In my mind everything 
is vivid, communicating it is not. I can however see that not all variations of 
this kind of divergence amplify the creative thought process. 

I think that's why others like me, find solitude writing software, creating 
vivid mental models that shift in real time in my head, yet and the ability to 
express them with a distinct editable syntax in random order and see them 
simulated means you can be productive and add value in the economy. 
 
but that said it is an example of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freakonomics 
(those predisposed, will or are significantly more likely to) and when you 
artificially stimulate and control you get artificial results. 



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Re: [Hampshire] UK digital skills report

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 On 19 Feb 2015, at 12:05, Vic l...@beer.org.uk wrote:
 
 
 10 years from now
 we will simply ask a machine to write software for us
 
 I first heard that argument some 40 years ago. It wasn't true then, and it
 isn't true now. The reason for this is simple - code generation is a
 purely mechanical process, but defining the solution to the problem space
 requires semantic understanding, and that is the stuff of sci-fi.

Until google tried to read all the books and classify all the information on 
the planet, everyone said it was a pipe dream. (while this will never be 100% 
its astonishing what has been achieved) 

I agree with all you say here, its is mechanical and it is about semantic 
understanding, in the past however it was inconceivable that a computer could 
be used to read a book thus the method of inputing the preexisting knowledge 
needed to be specifically coded. 

Now software to apply learning and matching techniques on a scale never thought 
possible is already available… and you may have picked up that today Azure 
Machine Learning just went public. Very soon reading, mapping and analysis of 
the knowledge in a book we call the internet, will be a fact of life. 

 
 Many years ago, I was involved in writing some tools for Z. The idea was
 that a non-programmer could specify what he wanted, and then the Z
 compiler would generate the code.

i haven’t heard of Z since uni, Z was hard work! Modern machine learning is a 
world apart from Z.

 The project was a spectacular failure,
 because it turns out that getting that spec to be complete and accurate is
 exactly the same job as writing the code - the spec and the implementation
 can be considered synonymous. And this situation will persist until an AI
 is created that can properly *understand* a requirement. I don't know if
 we will ever get to that point - it's not just AI, it's Artificial
 Consciousness - but it won't happen in my lifetime.

I’ve no crystal ball but i do think we can achieve a system that can dream, I 
think it will then deserve it's name “Lucy.  One thing is for sure, we are 
bio-mechanical so in my mind electro-mechanical is plausible.  It’s moral 
essence however, will only be a reflection of ourselves. 

 
 There may be more systems, but the natural evolution
 will concentrate knowledge into fewer and fewer parts.
 
 Why? Simple laws of supply and demand imply that any such shrinkage will
 make the trade more attractive, and so lead to more recruits...
 
 the few commodity roles will be passed to the lowest bidder
 and this will mostly be offshore.
 
 Roles are tending to be onshored at the moment - top management is finally
 beginning to understand that the Man-Month is indeed Mythical.
 
 Math has a natural use in all subjects and life skills
 
 Not on this side of the Atlantic, it doesn't...
 
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Re: [Hampshire] UK digital skills report

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 On 19 Feb 2015, at 13:27, Gordon Scott gor...@gscott.co.uk wrote:
 
 On Thu, 2015-02-19 at 13:13 +, Joseph Bennie wrote:
 I think it will then deserve it's name “Lucy.
 
 It’s moral essence however, will only be a reflection of ourselves. 
 
 FWIW, I've long that intelligent machines may be the next significant
 phase of human evolution.  I'm not convinced that evolution demands that
 we stay in our original physical shell.
 

Call me romantic, but i’m attached to my shell. 

 I doubt I'll ever see it. 
 
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Re: [Hampshire] UEFI booting woes

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 On 10 Nov 2014, at 22:19, Michael Daffin james1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No version of windows will leave dirty footprints in your BIOS, secure boot 
 is already baked into the bios and is a requirement for it to be deemed 
 windows 8 compatible by Microsoft. Which is basically any computer you can 
 buy these days. Older windows OSs will suffer the same problem as most Linux 
 distros in that they will not boot with secure boot enabled. As far as I know 
 only windows 8 and a few select Linux distros will boot on a computer with 
 secure boot enabled. So it will not matter if you can get a computer with or 
 without windows installed on it, if it is windows 8 compatible it will have 
 secure boot on it.
 
 Note that it is also a requirement by Microsoft on x86_64 computers that you 
 must be able to turn off secure boot (though it is not always easy and there 
 could be other problems with booting Linux). However on arm chips, the 
 requirement is the opposite and you can not turn it off (so stay far away 
 from any windows 8 compatible arm computers you are thinking about turning 
 into Linux boxes, such as the Microsoft surface tablet).

Just for the record I set up win10 demo on a factory shipped win8 Acer Aspire 
R7. 

I reset the TPM and followed the disable secure boot option, but still had 
problems installing stock debian….. however I decided to take an RH7 (30day 
demo subscription) for a spin incase it was just media issue and worked like 
charm (Top marks to RH for a very slick distro)…. however I just can’t be 
fussed with the RH way of doing things so got grumpy and re tried to install 
Debian. … this time Debian just worked … same disk same hard ware .. the only 
meaningful difference was the RH7 changed something and every time it boots 
theres a little flash of the uefi boot shell before it loads the OS. 

So I think this is repeatable. 

a) follow the options to reset tpm (in windows) 
b) follow the reboot without secure boot 
c) install Redhat 7 
d) reinstall with distort of choice. 

Can someone give it a go. thanks .J 



 
 On 10 November 2014 21:29, Ian Park i.d.c.p...@ntlworld.com 
 mailto:i.d.c.p...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 A web search for Windows signed kernel secure boot turned up a Microsoft 
 web page which tells me that secure boot applies to Windows 8, Windows 8.1, 
 Windows Server 2012  Windows Server 2012 R2. Looks as though XP and Vista 
 (and for that matter Windows 7) shouldn't leave dirty footprints in your BIOS!
 
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 OT i know but does this mean when an old windows OS is installed, the same 
 error will occur?
 
 ie xp vista
 
 What is the earliest version of the windows to support the signed kernel?
 
 Martin
 
 At 13:44 09/11/2014, you wrote:
 Thanks, Michael; with that hint I tried a google search on Asus Sabertooth 
 FX + secure boot and found a You-tube video showing me how to do all sorts 
 of tweaking, including disabling secure boot. Tried that, and now I can boot 
 from the rEFInd CD.
 
 New NSA Slogan:
 We work to ensure your safety.
 Don't Worry We Have Your Back[door] 
 
 
 
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Re: [Hampshire] best distro for a small business laptop

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On 15 Sep 2014, at 16:44, Lisi hants...@googlemail.com wrote:

 This has just been drawn to my attention.  I haven't tried it, but it seems 
 to 
 tick a lot of the boxes and might be worth a look.  It is Debian based with 
 TDE 3.5.13.2 as default desktop.
 
 http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=08592
 

Thanks Lisi - I’ll add it to the short list. 

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[Hampshire] best distro for a small business laptop

[Joseph Bennie]

I had a relatives Dell Inspiron 1300 in for cleaning few days ago and it 
reminded me that there are users out there with adequate hard ware - that just 
need 

a understandable desktop -  without 3D fanfare and indexed searching widgets 
(i.e. no resources sucking frills that would tax an aged/slow 2.5 5000rpm hard 
drive / bog standard hardware) 
core business apps i.e. LibreOffice 4.3.x 
a fully functioning version of firefox with flash and java compatibility
a PDF reader
a good media player. 
a solid imap mail client 
a usable ical compat calendar 

also its not really enterprise class (more good enough), it doesn’t need to be 
updated every 4 hrs and its available in 32bit version on an easy to install CD 
rom. 
Most importantly Its aimed at an average skilled person i.e. a skilled plumber, 
rather than a science graduate. 

after 10 years - has anyone settled on a distro(s) / distro version that tick 
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Re: [Hampshire] best distro for a small business laptop

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On 11 Sep 2014, at 10:29, Bob Dunlop bob.dun...@xyzzy.org.uk wrote:

 a understandable desktop -  without 3D fanfare and indexed searching widgets 
 (i.e. no resources sucking frills that would tax an aged/slow 2.5 5000rpm 
 hard drive / bog standard hardware) 
 core business apps i.e. LibreOffice 4.3.x 
 a fully functioning version of firefox with flash and java compatibility
 a PDF reader
 a good media player. 
 a solid imap mail client 
 a usable ical compat calendar 
 
 At the risk of starting a distro war I use Gentoo at work and for my
 main home machine.  I would NOT recommend Gentoo to anyone who was
 not a skilled hacker.
 

Its nice being on the bleeding edge. Now an interesting gentoo project would be 
a profile 2 distro script. 

I thought about this several years back she gentoo first hit the scene but lost 
touch ares a few years on CRUX 

Login - Select apps types (suggests one with peer votes) - on this 
core/Kernel version - with this user space - on this hardware profile - go 
- farm builds and assembles tuned distro overnight  - download a reusable iso 
- boot hard ware and it net installs the image. 

reboot. 

 On smaller scratch machines (netbook and mini-itx bedroom browser),
 for simple Web and Mail services I use Mint Xfce.  Quick to install
 and media players etc just work.  Debian/Ubuntu based without some
 of the baggage (ie allows doggy media player liciences but doesn't
 upload searches to Amazon).
 I think everything on your list is there although I've never played
 with Ical.
 
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Re: [Hampshire] best distro for a small business laptop

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On 11 Sep 2014, at 10:40, Gordon Scott gor...@gscott.co.uk wrote:

 
 There are always a hundred and one answers to questions like this.
 This is mine. YMMV.
 
 I tend to use Ubuntu LTS as most stuff works OK and the LTS means few
 nasty surprises.  Both my wife and I dislike the Unity desktop, but the
 gnome-fallback option uses a more conventional desktop. Unity, should
 one want it, offers a 2D presentation that should use less resource.
 
 Another candidate worth a look as it's aimed specifically at small and
 efficient, rather than bling, is PuppyLinux. It also has an LTS version.
 

I haven’t used Puppy in ages, Its makes the test list. … I’m not putting ubuntu 
on the list until I get consensus on a version. 


 I use vlc as a media player as it's simply, well behaved, and seems to
 play just about everything.

+ 1

 
 Thunderbird should do IMAP and iCal OK, I believe. It certainly does the
 former, I've not used the latter.
 

+1 

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Re: [Hampshire] [Surrey] best distro for a small business laptop

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On 11 Sep 2014, at 11:53, Paul Feakins paulfeak...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 Another candidate worth a look as it's aimed specifically at small and
 efficient, rather than bling, is PuppyLinux. It also has an LTS version.
 
 
 I haven’t used Puppy in ages, Its makes the test list. … I’m not putting
 ubuntu on the list until I get consensus on a version.
 
 
 I tried to get Puppy running last week and failed at the first hurdle - it
 didn't support my NVIDIA Quadro NVS 450.

haha - that hardly qualifies as bog standard hardware :) that thing only works 
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Re: [Hampshire] best distro for a small business laptop

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On 11 Sep 2014, at 13:50, Chris Malton chr...@cmalton.me.uk wrote:

 *** Disclaimer: I work for an ISP with a number of techies. ***
 
 We're going towards an Xubuntu 14.04 house at my office (both on desktop and 
 laptop).
 As one of the other comments notes, XFCE-based Mint might also work well.
 
 We find that, in general with Xubuntu:
 - XFCE is a bit like Windows (in so much as having a start menu - things are 
 generally findable.
 - LibreOffice is available (and I recommend removing Abiword and Gnumeric and 
 replacing them with Libreoffice)
 - Evince seems to work as a PDF reader for 99% of documents.
 - The built in media player isn't great, but there's always VLC.
 - Thunderbird seems to perform well for most IMAP setups - wouldn't recommend 
 it in an Exchange environment unless your IT department enables IMAP though.
 - For Calendar, I use Lightning in Thunderbird (and that's standard in our 
 business).
 
 Of course, that's just our feelings.

I think the apps are coming up by consensus are as you suggest: Evince, 
LibreOffice, VLC, Firefox, Thunderbird, Lightning with IceDove.   
and for the base Debian or a Debian derivative (specifically Xubuntu has been 
+10’d) for the core and either XFCE or MATE as the desktop.  

Thanks every one.  I’m off to role some test VM’s 

 
 Regards,
 
 Chris
 
 On 2014-09-11 10:07, Joseph Bennie wrote:
 I had a relatives Dell Inspiron 1300 in for cleaning few days ago
 and it reminded me that there are users out there with adequate hard
 ware - that just need
 a understandable desktop -  without 3D fanfare and indexed searching
 widgets (i.e. no resources sucking frills that would tax an aged/slow
 2.5 5000rpm hard drive / bog standard hardware)
 core business apps i.e. LibreOffice 4.3.x
 a fully functioning version of firefox with flash and java compatibility
 a PDF reader
 a good media player.
 a solid imap mail client
 a usable ical compat calendar
 also its not really enterprise class (more good enough), it doesn’t
 need to be updated every 4 hrs and its available in 32bit version on
 an easy to install CD rom.
 Most importantly Its aimed at an average skilled person i.e. a skilled
 plumber, rather than a science graduate.
 after 10 years - has anyone settled on a distro(s) / distro version
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[Hampshire] O'Reilly Community News letter revamp.

[Joseph Bennie]

Hi all, 

In the early days, I was around when O'Reilly came to actual lug meet ups and 
ever since I've had more direct contact with them in an informal basis. 

Recently there was a change of guard as some folks moved on to other community 
projects and the current team felt like revamping the O'Reilly Community 
project. 

They shouted out for feedback on the newsletter in particular - a PDF with lots 
of embedded links and the community requested the format be changed to be more 
transparent.

You would not believe how shocked they were when we demanded a plain text 
version! The Community team have however come good and this month the first 
ever text version and an online html version are available, the Pdf is gone and 
the content more readable. (subject to being dazzled by the cyan links!) 

So If you have a moment please can you visit these new online versions and 
share your thoughts on the list, or sign up to receive the letter, as i don't 
think its appropriate to just forward the text version to the list for all the 
reasons i can think but mostly thats so 1998! 

text version 
http://us8.campaign-archive1.com/?u=4babc22b9b74ea96c4cc6ca7aid=f746a7d0d3e=610de99cf4

html version 
http://us8.campaign-archive2.com/?u=4babc22b9b74ea96c4cc6ca7aid=969eecdc36e=610de99cf4


Thanks 
Jay 


Also for random conversation at the next meet up - can you go to the site  
www.oreilly.com, and Search for your last book and find out what your last 
O'Reilly picture was ? 

You can find it in the book detail page i.e.- 
http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920029564.do?sortby=publicationDate   Click 
Colophon for the full description of the animal.

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Re: [Hampshire] Cloud of choice

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On 5 Sep 2014, at 13:55, li...@themilwards.biz wrote:

 
 Hi All
 
 Thinking of spending out for 1tb of Google Drive but wary due to the lack of 
 Linux client but still tempted as it is very cheap for the cost. Does anyone 
 have any suggestions for alternatives? Looking for largish space as I need to 
 start backing my photos up off site (had a dead drive scare recently only to 
 discover that my previous off site wasn't backing up properly)
 
Dropbox just upgraded is Pro service to 1TB - I highly recommend it.
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Re: [Hampshire] Cloud of choice

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On 5 Sep 2014, at 14:47, Andy Random andy.ran...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 On Fri, 5 Sep 2014, Joseph Bennie wrote:
 
 Dropbox just upgraded is Pro service to 1TB - I highly recommend it.
 
 To expand on that comment, Dropbox have just brought their prices into line 
 with Google Drives for 1TB of space ($9.99/month or $99 a year).
 
 Dropbox do offer Linux support and are trying to differentiate themselves on 
 features rather than price/GB.
 
 I use both, for different things, and haven't had any real issues with 
 either, but I don't pay for either and don't use them to store huge amounts 
 of data offsite, so YMMV.
 

I unfortunately have had some minor sync issues on google drive when i’ve had 
multiple machine working from a single account at the same time - but no issues 
will drop box. 


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Re: [Hampshire] Munich Council was: (no subject)

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On 20 Aug 2014, at 10:46, Jack Knight j...@pobox.com wrote:

 On 20 August 2014 10:35, Gordon Scott gor...@gscott.co.uk wrote:
 
 Look on the bright side. This always looked to me like FUD, and if Microsoft 
 have to move their European Headquarters to Munich to get them out of using a 
 Linux IT infrastructure, that sounds to me like Linux in Munich was causing 
 MS some real heartache.  I suspect MS are paying a lot of money for this 
 move. ​
 ​
 Undoubtedly, it smacks of very strong medicine for what must be a huge thorn 
 in their side - the great marketing machine has yet again clunked into action 
 to spread FUD. 
 
 Oh, and if there have been user complaints about the Linux desktop, just wait 
 until they get Windows 8!​ We recently had a migration to this in the office 
 by our desktop support department - and a significant number of people had to 
 be *forced* to accept the so called 'upgrade' and it generally caused chaos 
 and confusion, not to mention loss of productivity. Fortunately I work for a 
 team/department which is immune to such games, we can use whatever we deem 
 fit for purpose as long as we self support. 


Its interesting that most people are not citing complaints about linux. The 
actual complaints are about applications and specifically office productivity 
and collaboration. 

document exchange with companies. 
synchronised mobile email 
synchronised calendar

Now I know i’m going to start a war, but its also my opinion that the open 
source developers looking after these apps a failing to develop well integrated 
apps and app services, and are still chewing away at uninteresting features 
such as mail merges etc. 



 
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Re: [Hampshire] Munich Council was: (no subject)

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On 20 Aug 2014, at 18:29, pavithran pavithra...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 20 August 2014 16:16, Joseph Bennie j...@lincore.com wrote:
 Its interesting that most people are not citing complaints about linux. The
 actual complaints are about applications and specifically office
 productivity and collaboration.
 
 document exchange with companies.
 
 Basically it boils down to exchanging MS Office documents with other
 groups in government which haven't shifted yet. The sad thing here is
 the attitude of Libre Office developers in not writing or pushing
 OOXML compatablity in Libre office. Their main priority is ODF and for
 me and all our LUG members we are happy with that stand .
 Kingsoft office apparently is a chinese software team which had
 written an office program which offers perfect compatiblity with the
 newly published OOXML standards.
 
 Libre Office has some serious lessons to learn if it really wants
 people to migrate.
 
yep 

 1. Fix the OOXML compatablity issue.

Agreed - just because you support a good thing, is no reason to be ignorant of 
other good things… ( being ignorant also belittles your own position! )  

 2. Improve the UI to atleast look cool / modern

I actually think its a good thing to keep an interface consistent. ( some of 
the recent changes in office/windows smack of people changing stuff for the 
sake of it, not because it makes it better… how often do you hear phases such 
as “small iterative improvements are better” )

 
 1 has its own reasons but 2 Libreoffice in 2004 and 2014 almost look
 the same while MS office has changed , though I wasn't suggesting that
 there be huge UI / workflow changes it should be comparable enough to
 MS office.
 
 
chasing Ms office isn’t the right mentality … the team need to chase user 
needs, the team that do this best will win the user over.  (Rule 1)

 Why bother about MS office - I dont give a darn about it.

and this is exactly why it fails.   you and me both are technical .. we know 
how to solve our own problems, but unfortunately the vast majority of people as 
lazy and expect things to just integrate. and when they don’t they whine like 
little piggies! unfortunately some of those little piggies are influential, and 
the minor inconvenience of having to use two steps vs one step is a big deal 
when they are dealing with higher order issues such as which topping for their 
cafe latte, while arranging after work drinks!  

so  if you want to win … you have to care. (Rule 2)

 but people in
 govt offices work on them all their life and they care.

the first point is more important then the second. when people learn something 
it makes them very productive, they care when someone is making them less 
productive …. the funny thing is the office 365 is so different they really 
will cry, I bet they will have real tears! 

Rule 3 : don’t move the cheese 

 The other issues are all with Exchange being advertised as superior product
 which is just bollocks they could get a decent mail/communication
 platform with GNU/Linux

They might get a superior product on any platform, but last I checked Outlook 
with an Exchange backend was vey usable and with lync and Active directory 
integration its nearly omnipresent! 

For the record, I dislike outlook a lot and prefer the simpler world of mail on 
my mac and ical with gmail as my server side. On linux I’m undecided … I 
usually resort to sylpheed on windows and linux but here’s the difference. I 
and maybe you think clean elegant mail client, we are also a small, possibly, 
single entity that needs to be agile with our choice of app and can use gmail 
in the background. 

 …. Outlook, Lync and Exchange is a communication juggernaught!  and the people 
who use it expect it to hold 10+ years of email securely and reliably for 200+ 
people and it be accessible everywhere! … that takes a lot of energy and a lot 
of trust!

so when you look at the need that exchange+outlook solves I really don’t see a 
clear open source alternative, that is less work, more reliable and costs less 
to implement.  

and that is the real problem!  when you need big reliable systems onsite … you 
need to trust it - and it needs to work perfectly. 

… but if exchange is that important … it could be implemented in insolation, 
and use the gnome/Evolution client as a substitute for Outlook … so either 
someone internally is being a zealot or someone forgot to point out it's ok to 
mix and match! 

hell they could even put it on Azure in a few mouse clicks! and a few more to 
enable IMAP4 with TLS!

Rule 4: not all problems are solved with the same solution. Identify which 
problem you want to solve and built/use the right tool of the job. 


 
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Re: [Hampshire] Munich Council was: (no subject)

[Joseph Bennie]

On 20 Aug 2014, at 23:48, Paul Tansom p...@aptanet.com wrote:

 ** Joseph Bennie j...@lincore.com [2014-08-20 19:22]:
 On 20 Aug 2014, at 18:29, pavithran pavithra...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 20 August 2014 16:16, Joseph Bennie j...@lincore.com wrote:
 snip
 The other issues are all with Exchange being advertised as superior 
 product
 which is just bollocks they could get a decent mail/communication
 platform with GNU/Linux
 
 They might get a superior product on any platform, but last I checked 
 Outlook with an Exchange backend was vey usable and with lync and Active 
 directory integration its nearly omnipresent! 
 
 For the record, I dislike outlook a lot and prefer the simpler world of mail 
 on my mac and ical with gmail as my server side. On linux I’m undecided … I 
 usually resort to sylpheed on windows and linux but here’s the difference. I 
 and maybe you think clean elegant mail client, we are also a small, 
 possibly, single entity that needs to be agile with our choice of app and 
 can use gmail in the background. 
 
 …. Outlook, Lync and Exchange is a communication juggernaught!  and the 
 people who use it expect it to hold 10+ years of email securely and reliably 
 for 200+ people and it be accessible everywhere! … that takes a lot of 
 energy and a lot of trust!
 
 so when you look at the need that exchange+outlook solves I really don’t see 
 a clear open source alternative, that is less work, more reliable and costs 
 less to implement.  
 
 and that is the real problem!  when you need big reliable systems onsite … 
 you need to trust it - and it needs to work perfectly. 
 
 … but if exchange is that important … it could be implemented in insolation, 
 and use the gnome/Evolution client as a substitute for Outlook … so either 
 someone internally is being a zealot or someone forgot to point out it's ok 
 to mix and match! 
 
 hell they could even put it on Azure in a few mouse clicks! and a few more 
 to enable IMAP4 with TLS!
 
 Rule 4: not all problems are solved with the same solution. Identify which 
 problem you want to solve and built/use the right tool of the job. 
 ** end quote [Joseph Bennie]
 
 When it comes to the fact that Exchange is an integrated suite with a single
 client app I sort of understand peoples liking for it. When I have had to work
 with it, either the couple of times I've worked on the server or when I've 
 used
 a client I really don't get it big time. I've not worked with it since 
 Exchange
 2003 thankfully, but then, even on a relatively small site, it ran into
 capacity issues with the mail store and when it runs out of space you are
 completely stuffed - I've heard it has improved since, and for anyone
 administering it I really hope it has, but how it became so popular up until
 then is a mystery. Client wise, apart from the fact that Outlook integrates
 with a calendar feature, Outlook is the worst piece of mail software I've ever
 had the misfortune to work with; it is forever running out of space for mail
 and you end up archiving stuff, messing around with mail stores, etc.. The
 whole concept, on both server and client side, of putting everything into a
 monumental single file creating a single point of failure seems to be a
 disaster waiting to happen - on a regular basis.
 

the 2012 version and its spawn were completely rewritten and now work as 4 
separate parts with can be installed on multiple nodes to achieve a fully 
distributed service layer and data store…. and would you believe it support for 
standard transports, not just proprietary. 

and for the home admin, there is a one button install option, which works well. 
But the real trick is making sure you have the correct public dns entries for 
all the client zeroconfig stuff and an annual subscription to dyn.com mail 
relay.  (or similar) 

 The other issue currently annoying me may be a policy decision on the part of
 the administrator. I have a mail account that is run on an Exchange server, 
 but
 to access it I can't use my standard mail client, it has to use native 
 Exchange
 protocols. This is fine for my desktop as I just use the webmail interface,
 which seems to be just as nasty and awkward as most webmail apps, but no 
 worse;
 I still have to remember to check it separately though, which I often forget 
 to
 do and miss emails. On my phone, however, things get worse as I need a native
 app; this wouldn't be so bad except for the fact that in order to install a
 native Exchange email client I have to give the server adminstrator full
 authority to completely wipe my phone - not a hope. If they supply me a
 dedicate phone fair enough, but not my own phone - actually they have supplied
 me a tablet to use, but because I have to check mail on a separate device, 
 once
 again it gets left; having it on the devices you always use tends to make it
 easier and more likely to be checked.
 

activeSync works on the vast majority of devices, including android and legacy 
Nokia so

Re: [Hampshire] Portsmouth LUG B-a-B meeting the coming Saturday, July 19th, from 13:00 - 18:00

[Joseph Bennie]

On 15 Jul 2014, at 15:04, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Monday 14 July 2014 10:43:34 Lisi Reisz wrote:
 Our next meeting will be the coming Saturday, July 19th, from 13:00 -
 18:00, in the Broadoaks Social Club.
 http://www.broadoaksocialclub.net/where.html
 [snip]
 I was expecting Paul Tansom to be giving a talk this month, but first I was
 incommunicado, and now he seems to be incommunicado, so I am not sure where
 we are.
 
 Paul and I are now in communication again!  He will be talking on Code 
 Club, 
 for which he is now the coordinator for the South East region.  Who we are 
 and what's involved in running an after school club.  
 
 For those who haven't heard of it:  https://www.codeclub.org.uk/  
 
 The only thing that particularly worries me is
 whether I can get Linux running on it (his brand new laptop) by Saturday or 
 whether I'll have the
 embarrassment of running Windows 8 on it at a LUG meet (which wouldn't be
 helped by the fact that I don't find the interface particularly intuitive!).
 
 So, please, show him we can be gentle.  You and I may one day be forced to 
 touch Windows 8. ;-)
 
 Lisi
 
 
 


code club works around the Scratch editor which is a standard package on 
debian.

It works like a charm on the debian pi distro and the pi is good enough for a 
quick demo…. It a lot easier just to flash an SD card with the factory image 
and boot . Than to setup a whole laptop just for a few demos.  


 
 
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Re: [Hampshire] [OFF TOPIC] Electrician recommendation

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if it were me I'd have an electrican install a water proof external socket at 
the house (30AMP) and get the part-p certificate. Then install internal wiring 
in the building to a fuse box with another external socket. Then get a big old 
30AMP external armoured extension, dig a track or lay at/on a fence and connect 
the fuse box in the building to the external outlet at the house. 

That way you can just pull the plug and avoid and issues about wiring to the 
outbuilding. The outbuilding is then fuse protected for separate 3 and 13AMP 
circuits. and provided the wiring isn't concealed should be exempt from 
requiring part-p. 

A big part of Part-P is how to lay concealed cables, so people can predict 
where they are… avoids electric shock wile nailing up pictures etc!

FYI: find a local lighting shop, they tend to know the better electricians in 
the area. 

On 5 Jul 2014, at 19:51, Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote:

 On Sat, 5 Jul 2014 19:39:17 +0100
 Anton Piatek an...@piatek.co.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Anton,
 
 And how does one know when buying a house if electrical work was done
 after 2005?
 
 TBH, IDK.  The certificate that an electrician hands over on completion
 of any job is likely to be filed in the grey receptacle, I suspect.
 
 I'd say it is rather hard to enforce, unless of course you are wiring an
 
 I tend to agree.  There are plenty of horror stories regarding people
 printing off their own 'certificates' and handing them over, builders
 with no prior electrical experience doing a short (5 day) course to get
 registered, etc. etc.
 
 extension and it is obviously new wiring.
 
 Even then, what do most people do with all the paperwork, once the job
 is done?   :-(
 
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Re: [Hampshire] Top posting

[Joseph Bennie]

 or you know... you could just get on with life and not worry about the little 
 things :)
 many more fields of issues in the world that need more time and attention 
 brought to them!   
 


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Re: [Hampshire] Top posting

[Joseph Bennie]

On a side note this is how all the emails read if you use delete a lot 
unnecessary words :)  …. 


 worry about the

 little things

  that need more time and attention

 brought to them
 

  if I was

 spending so much effort to

 read

 conversations to try to work out

 a reply 

 in relation to a

  comment, I would

 devote

 more time to to those
 other issues.
 
 In all seriousness…

  the minute of my time it would take me to
 compose a reply is more important

  than the accumulated hundreds
 of minutes of 
 
 Your presumption

 and

  speaks volumes
 for how the rest of the world thinks

  I'd rather see

 that

 No trees were destroyed, however, a
 significant number

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Re: [Hampshire] [Surrey] Surrey LUG meetings and the New Year

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On 31 Dec 2013, at 16:45, Robert Longstaff robert.longst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello. Happy New Year to everyone in Surrey LUG (and Hants LUG too). I hope 
 you got some good toys for Xmas or otherwise had a great time.
 
 No surprise that I am appealing for venues for 2014 LUG meets. My thanks to 
 those who provided them in 2013 - as you may know, a number of places we have 
 held meetings before are no longer available.
 
 Do let me or the list know if you're able to put us up one Saturday. The only 
 requirements are that it can hold up to 25 people, has desks/tables and power 
 points. Nice to haves are wireless internet and a projector.
 
 Pub meets will also continue, so long as people want them to.
 
 One more thing: I am stepping down as Surrey LUG co-ordinator, just as soon 
 as the first few venues are sorted. As there is no formal organisation, the 
 role is open to anyone who wants to do it or it can be shared amongst people 
 or no-one can do it. It's up to those who want the LUG to continue to make a 
 contribution.
 
 Regards,
 
 robert_
 

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Re: [Hampshire] Android app to stream video content over Samba/CIFS?

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On 19 Dec 2013, at 17:41, Imran Chaudhry ichaud...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 Hope this is not too off-topic (it does involve Android and a Linux
 server so...).
 
 Can anyone recommend an app that will allow me to watch a video file
 using VLC on my Android phone, where the video file is on my Samba LAN
 server?

I think you need firefly  (or its current fork) running on your linux box, its 
a streaming media server biased on the airplay protocols. 

you can find out more on wikipedia under Firefly_Media_Server

 
 I'd tried a few apps and while they allow me to browse my Samba share,
 once I select a file it proceeds to download the video to my phone. Or
 it might be that I need to set-up a file association or something to
 VLC first?
 
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Re: [Hampshire] Moving to LAMP

[Joseph Bennie]

Sorry, Leo I got sucked into some stuff.. you know how it is 

This is what thou need 

https://github.com/jbennie/tbldefexport

There are a few years of my assembled libraries etc in this upload and this is 
my first official publication of unique code. Whoop Whoop. 

You shouldn’t need visual studio for this … Its should work under mono 3.2.4 
and Xamirin Studio out of the box unless I forgot something. 

Also this code can be the basis for a data migration tool… currently it's setup 
for my target and source DB’s.  



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On 10 Dec 2013, at 22:11, Leo li...@fractal.me.uk wrote:

 Thank you all. I'll take a look at yii and cakephp.
 
 Also, Joseph, are the scripts similar to those here:
 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/698839/how-to-extract-the-schema-of-an-access-mdb-database
 
 Regards,
 Leo
 
 On 03/12/13 09:43, Joseph Bennie wrote:
 
 database:
 
 I’ll push some simple vba scripts to git that will allow you to extract
 the table structures into mysql or Ms SQL DDL queries
 
 Once you have the data structures exported, you can use a trial version
 of DBcompare or a like tool to move the data from the old db to the
 mysql db … OR just use the access export to dump csv files.
 
 for the application layer/web layer… I’ve used cakephp many times to
 scaffold most of the basic functionality with its inbuilt commands, this
 also builds the models/controllers and default views.  Cakephp is an
 established well tuned php MVC framework.
 
 you can then extend the scaffolded pages with custom functions and view
 models (MVVM) or ignore the scaffold and do your own thing. ( also you
 might want to add a javascript layer to the app … i.e. extending table
 functionality with jTable, or date pickers and other widgets with
 jqueryUI or wijimo.
 
 another neat trick with Cakephp is the ease of adding a REST API for the
 future when you needed to build a native mobile client.
 
 I’ve tried using a few of the other options out there but this has been
 the most successful and reliable overall… most of the other point and
 click options fail in some critical aspect or auto generate code hell.
 
 but let me know how you get on with the one below, its not one i have
 tried yet.
 
 
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 On 3 Dec 2013, at 09:26, Paul Freeman p...@noc4.net
 mailto:p...@noc4.net wrote:
 
 On 2013-12-02 23:19, Leo wrote:
 
 I was thinking of porting a fairly simple [1] Access database to a LAMP
 stack with a few web pages to do various updates, searches etc. I was
 just wondering, before I start looking, if there's something I could use
 that would provide some of this functionality for me off the shelf.
 (E.g. maybe something out that would pre-create all the simple single
 table CRUD pages for me.)
 
 http://www.yiiframework.com/ is worth a look. it will run on a
 standard LAMP stack.
 
 
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Re: [Hampshire] SATA conundrum

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On 27 Nov 2013, at 11:36, Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Hello folks
 
 I'm trying to give a new lease of life to an HP Compaq computer, previously 
 running Windows XP, with bad blocks on its 80GB SATA disk.
 

some systems have a sata legacy mode which can cause issues. also if the new 
drive is SATAII or SATAIII you may experience problems on 1st generation  SATA 
I controllers.  however I’ve never had any issues, with SATA versions but i 
recently had an issue with the legacy mode on an old dell (2004).
 
(if its that old your probably better putting an IDE(PATA) in instead) 


 The plan is to install Linux Mint on a new hard disk.
 
 But every disk I've tried (two new ones, and a couple of old ones, all bigger 
 than 80GB) fails to be recognised by the BIOS.  I can hear faint buzzes and 
 clicks from the drives -- even the new ones.
 
 If I put the old disk back, the BIOS is happy, and the system starts (but 
 that's no good, because the disk is failing).
 
 I can't find any relevant settings in the BIOS to tweak, nor jumpers on the 
 drives.
 
 Any ideas?
 
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Re: [Hampshire] KDE configuration

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On 21 Oct 2013, at 12:20, Peter Alefounder p_alefoun...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 I now have a new computer from DNUK, with Debian 7.1. They did an
 excellent job with the hardware, but gave me Gnome insteasd of KDE.
 Not finding any way to have multiple desktops in Gnome, I have
 installed KDE myself. It is possible that I have not included some
 component or other.

aptitude install kde 

then at login on the password page choose ode as your desktop

  
 Two questions: 
  
 (1) At the moment if I plug in (for example) a memory stick, a
 little window pops up momentarily in the lower right corner of the
 screen giving the option to open with the file manager. How can I
 arrange to get an icon for the memory stick to appear on the
 desktop, and remain there while the device is mounted?
  

in the advanced options choose the check box for allow file manager to manage 
desktop.

 (2) How can I change desktop backgrounds? Under Debian 4.1, I had 
 different background colours on 6 desktops. With 7.1, I have not 
 found any way to have anything other than a pattern of bands 
 radiating out from the lower right corner on all desktops.
  

No idea. 

 I would be grateful for any answers. I have tried searching the web, 
 but have found nothing relevant.
  

are you using bing?

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[Hampshire] untended consequences of Nokia buyout

[Joseph Bennie]

hi all 

while dabbling this morning with some app prototyping I opened the QT Studio 
tools and the following thought ran through my head 

Nokia owns QT - microsoft just bought Nokia and most of their patents - OK 
its Dual licence but its not going to stop MS Legal thinking they can throw 
stones at us … and actually QT is used a lot!, a lot of industrial apps and OS 
apps are built on it, and this is classic ARM territory - MS want to rule that 
space like they prev ruled desktops - I foresee the next battle ground 

Am I thinking about this too hard or will this acquisitions be of significant 
and detrimental consequence for QT derived works. 

Should any of the FSF groups etc be raising potential concerns to respective 
competition authorities that highlight that QT related patents could be used to 
restrict the development models used for the linux desktop [ and by extension 
any graphics based ecosystem*]  (fyi my concern is that the designs for api and 
signalling will be more impactful than the actual visual widgets, as some of 
those designs are likely also present in Gnome etc) 

Welcome any thought.. especially from people more knowledgable about QT. 

* = the memo team, if i recall was a strong contributor to some of the directfb 
work which is an important alternative to  the X subsystems for draw rendering… 
mostly used for i.e. mobiles and tablets. 

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Re: [Hampshire] [Surrey] untended consequences of Nokia buyout

[Joseph Bennie]

Thanks guys 

The about  Licence page on the IDE hasn't been updated, but having followed 
the nokia links they redirect to Digia.  Full details are on the about-us page. 


On 7 Sep 2013, at 08:44, Jon Fautley j...@dead.li wrote:

 On 7 Sep 2013, at 7:17, Joseph Bennie wrote:
 
 Nokia owns QT - microsoft just bought Nokia and most of their patents - 
 OK its Dual licence but its not going to stop MS Legal thinking they can 
 throw stones at us … and actually QT is used a lot!, a lot of industrial 
 apps and OS apps are built on it, and this is classic ARM territory - MS 
 want to rule that space like they prev ruled desktops - I foresee the next 
 battle ground
 
 Nokia doesn't own Qt, it sold it to Digia in March 2011.
 
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Re: [Hampshire] [Surrey] untended consequences of Nokia buyout

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On 7 Sep 2013, at 11:39, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote:

 On 7 September 2013 10:11, Joseph Bennie j...@lincore.com wrote:
 The about  Licence page on the IDE hasn't been updated, but having followed 
 the nokia links they redirect to Digia.  Full details are on the about-us 
 page.
 
 
 Odd. Which IDE on what distro is that?
 

Distro = Debian 7  (iso 7.0.1, but app installed today via gnome package 
manager)   
App = Monkey Studio IDE(top search for QT4 Integrated Development 
Environment)  
package name = monkey studio-1.9.0.2-2 (32 bit) 
License = unknown in repo …. - app implies LGPL 2.1 + 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pku6te151r9htft/QTLicense.png


 It's updated here in qtcreator.
 
 http://popey.com/~alan/qtc_about.png
 
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Re: [Hampshire] Begging for old PCI graphics card with s-video output

[Joseph Bennie]

yes - i have an ati - where do you want it sent. 

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On 19 Aug 2013, at 23:25, Dr A. J. Trickett adam.trick...@iredale.net wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I'm begging to see if anyone has a PCI bus (not PCIe) graphics card that has 
 a 
 s-video output as well as VGA that they've not yet thrown away. It's not 
 urgent and I could collect from a LUG meet this autumn but I have an oldish 
 PC 
 that I'd like to connect to an old CRT TV and a s-video connection is the 
 best 
 option if I could locate card for nothing (I'd cover postage).
 
 The current graphics chipset is a cheap on-board AGP AMD/ATI Mach64 based 
 card 
 which while not modern is fine on VGA but doesn't do s-video...
 
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