RE: [Hardhats-members] Why changed input transform on STATION field in INSTITUTION file?

2005-04-02 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Thanks, that helps.

I followed Nancy's guide to checking the fileman
version, and it looks like mine might be as old as
1998.  So that is probably why I didn't have this
problem.

I appreciate the info.  It helps to understand what's
going on.

Kevin

--- Holloway, Thomas (EDS)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kevin,
 
The XUMF variable (ie. secret 'M'aster 'F'ile
 password) was added
 about 3 or 4 years ago during the Institution File
 Redesign project.
 Prior to that, all sites edited/updated their
 Institution file manually.
 As you can imagine, this led to a lot of
 inconsistencies between sites
 due to typos, local spelling preferences, missing
 entries, etc.  For the
 VHA, the Institution file is now updated at the
 central FORUM database
 and the updates are 'pushed' to all sites.  
Since you would not be in the same situation as
 the VHA (controlling
 100+ copies of an important file that has moderately
 frequent updates),
 the control mechanism could be bypassed as you have
 already done or you
 could modify the DD to remove just the part that
 checks for XUMF.  I'm
 not sure why one distributed copy had the check and
 one did not but
 without the push software and a central database
 there is no need for
 the internal control mechanism.
 
 Thom H.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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 Toppenberg
 Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:41 PM
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 Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Why changed input
 transform on STATION
 field in INSTITUTION file?
 
 OK Thanks.  But this is apparently a new change.
 
 Kevin
 
 --- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  My guess is that XUMF is an override that is set
  when file 4 is sbeing
  updated via an HL7 master file update. It's not
  something that should
  be set (except by Kernel).
  
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RE: [Hardhats-members] Conference call today

2005-04-02 Thread Mobley, Sharon C.
Et al,

Please forgive the inconvenience 

The code appears to be out of service.  When I was unsuccessful in
dialing, I contacted  the conference operator and she informed me that
the number had been deactivated.  

I will work toward securing a new number and code, unfortunately I will
not be able to process this today.

Sincerest apologies,
Sharon

Work: 972.274.9941
Cell: 972.989.2685

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Join in at Noon EST to discuss the Boston meeting.

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RE: [Hardhats-members] Why changed input transform on STATION field in INSTITUTION file?

2005-04-02 Thread Greg Woodhouse
It may be that the Institution file update is of little interest to
non-VA users (but then again, maybe it is). But more generally, is
there a need to update reference files from a master file? I would
think that the answer is yes.

--- Holloway, Thomas (EDS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Kevin,
 
The XUMF variable (ie. secret 'M'aster 'F'ile password) was added
 about 3 or 4 years ago during the Institution File Redesign project.
 Prior to that, all sites edited/updated their Institution file
 manually.
 As you can imagine, this led to a lot of inconsistencies between
 sites
 due to typos, local spelling preferences, missing entries, etc.  For
 the
 VHA, the Institution file is now updated at the central FORUM
 database
 and the updates are 'pushed' to all sites.  
Since you would not be in the same situation as the VHA
 (controlling
 100+ copies of an important file that has moderately frequent
 updates),
 the control mechanism could be bypassed as you have already done or
 you
 could modify the DD to remove just the part that checks for XUMF. 
 I'm
 not sure why one distributed copy had the check and one did not but
 without the push software and a central database there is no need
 for
 the internal control mechanism.
 
 Thom H.
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Kevin
 Toppenberg
 Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:41 PM
 To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Why changed input transform on
 STATION
 field in INSTITUTION file?
 
 OK Thanks.  But this is apparently a new change.
 
 Kevin
 
 --- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  My guess is that XUMF is an override that is set
  when file 4 is sbeing
  updated via an HL7 master file update. It's not
  something that should
  be set (except by Kernel).
  
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[Hardhats-members] Missing VistA files: ZTBKCGUX ZISETGUX

2005-04-02 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
I have been working with the ZTMGRSET function as part
my install wizard project.

I am gettin a message that the following files are
missing:
ZTBKCGUX
ZISETGUX

The source of these file names comes from the
following section of code in ZTMGRSET

8 ;;GT.M (Unix)
 S
%S=ZOSVGUX^ZTBKCGUX^ZIS4GTM^ZISFGTM^ZISHGUX^XUCIGTM^ZISETGUX
 D DES
 D MOVE
 S %S=ZOSV2GTM^ZISTCPS,%D=%ZOSV2^%ZISTCPS
 D MOVE
 D ZOSF(ZOSFGUX)
 Q
 
I looked in my distro, in Mark's recent distro, and
the files on M2web.  The files are not in any of these
sites.

Should these two files be taken out of the list?

Kevin


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Re: [Hardhats-members] Fileman drop-out on pointer update

2005-04-02 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Marianne,

Thanks for your help.

Following your instructions:
GTMzwr ^AUPNPAT(0)
^AUPNPAT(0)=PATIENT/IHS^901sIP^14861^1510
 
GTMzwr ^DD(901,0,SCR)
^DD(901,0,SCR)=X I '$P(^DPT(Y,0),U,19) W
$E(^AUPNPAT(Y,0),0)
 

So you are right.  This is the source of the line that
caused the drop-out.

I had suggested: It looks like the ^DPT(Y,0) ought
to be $G(^DPT(Y,0))

So I could put that change here.  But I'm note sure if
that would have other unforseen consequenses.

Is this really a 'bug'?  Or is it one of those funny
database-needs-to-be-rundown type situations?

Thanks
Kevin



--- Marianne Susaanti Follingstad
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A quick look at the DI* routines I have (which are
 old), leads me to suggest that
 you look at the DD for the file defining ^AUPNPAT. 
 Look at ^AUPNPAT(0) to find the
 file number and then look at ^DD(file
 number,0,SCR) and I'm guessing you'll find
 the culprit there as I '$P(^DPT(Y,0),U,19).  If
 that is the problem then someone
 should review the SCR nodes to ensure there are no
 similar problems lurking...
 
 Of course the other problem is how to restart the
 process, and unfortunately I don't
 have any suggestions on that issue.
 
 Marianne Follingstad
 301 251 0139
 
 Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
 
  I had two patients that were duplicates--i.e. the
 same
   person, but with two different married names.
 
  So I deleted one, and told fileman to change all
  pointers from the former to the later.
 
  (I had to take off a guard to do this)
 
  It then scans through all the appropriate places
 and
  changes the pointers.
 
  But then it drops out after about 20-30 files.  I
  never knew what was happening before, but I have
  recently studied a bit on GTM debugging
 techniques,
  and here is what I have come up with:
 
  Screen log:
 
  ROES ELIGIBILITY CONFIRMATION entries whose
 'PATIENT'
  pointers have been changed
 MAR
  29,2005  20:12PAGE 1
 


 
*** NO RECORDS TO PRINT ***
  GTMw $ECODE   notice
 drop-out
  ,M7,Z150372994,
  GTMw $ZSTATUS
  150372994,SCR+1^DIO2,%GTM-E-GVUNDEF, Global
 variable
  undefined: ^DPT(75002,0)
  GTMzprint SCR+1^DIO2
  X DIS(0) Q:'$T  G PASS:'$D(DIS(1))
 
  GTMw DIS(0)
  S Y=D0 I $D(^AUPNPAT(Y,0)) X I
 '$P(^DPT(Y,0),U,19) W
  $E(^AUPNPAT(Y,0),0)
  GTMw Y
  75002
  GTM
 
  It looks like the ^DPT(Y,0) ought to be
  $G(^DPT(Y,0))
 
  Kevin
 
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Unicode, Non-english characters

2005-04-02 Thread Doctor Bones
Thanks,
My last patch is SEQ 121 from march 2, 2004

I appreciate the help.


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[Hardhats-members] Conference call ???

2005-04-02 Thread Maury Pepper
It appears that the conference call access number has been disabled.
Unless someone from HP can re-enable it or provide a new number, there won't be 
a call today.



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[Hardhats-members] CPRS on SuSe linux with crossover works over network

2005-04-02 Thread Doctor Bones
Ok, the problem I was having with the CPRS not communicating with my
other linux box has been solved.

I am actually very embarrased to tell you all how

UM... The firewall  was on, on the CPRS client machine
DOH!

It is a good thing I don't have a twenty plus year history with
computers to say I should have looked at that first.
Oh... wait a minute... I do
Your honor.. I would like to plead permenant insanity.

Manolis



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RE: [Hardhats-members] Why changed input transform on STATION field in INSTITUTION file?

2005-04-02 Thread John Leo Zimmer
Would there be some interest in adding such a capability to our OpenVistA 
forum? Those who wish could submit an application and be assigned an 
official slot in the INSTITUTION file.

Perhaps a topic for Boston? A step toward update distributions, KIDS, etc?

jlz

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From: Holloway, Thomas (EDS) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 09:21:05 -0500
Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Why changed input transform on STATION field 
in INSTITUTION file?

 
 ... For the VHA, the Institution file is now updated at the 
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Re: [Hardhats-members] CPRS on SuSe linux with crossover works over network

2005-04-02 Thread Nancy Anthracite
So how well is it working?  Connect it up to the VA Demo. 

On Friday 01 April 2005 07:42 pm, Doctor Bones wrote:
 Ok, the problem I was having with the CPRS not communicating with my
 other linux box has been solved.

 I am actually very embarrased to tell you all how

 UM... The firewall  was on, on the CPRS client machine
 DOH!

 It is a good thing I don't have a twenty plus year history with
 computers to say I should have looked at that first.
 Oh... wait a minute... I do
 Your honor.. I would like to plead permenant insanity.

 Manolis



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Re: [Hardhats-members] Fileman drop-out on pointer update

2005-04-02 Thread Marianne Susaanti Follingstad


It should be fine to put the $G in there. There can't be any
unforeseen consequences to having it there. In fact, as you found,
there are unforeseen consequences to NOT having it there. As I mentioned,
it would be good to have someone review these SCR nodes to see if there
are any other potential problems.
Marianne Follingstad
301 251 0139
Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
Marianne,
Thanks for your help.
Following your instructions:
GTM>zwr ^AUPNPAT(0)
^AUPNPAT(0)="PATIENT/IHS^901sIP^14861^1510"
GTM>zwr ^DD(901,0,"SCR")
^DD(901,0,"SCR")="X ""I '$P(^DPT(Y,0),U,19)"" W
$E(^AUPNPAT(Y,0),0)"

So you are right. This is the source of the line that
caused the drop-out.
I had suggested: It looks like the "^DPT(Y,0)" ought
to be "$G(^DPT(Y,0))"
So I could put that change here. But I'm note sure if
that would have other unforseen consequenses.
Is this really a 'bug'? Or is it one of those funny
database-needs-to-be-rundown type situations?
Thanks
Kevin
--- Marianne Susaanti Follingstad
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A quick look at the DI* routines I have (which are
> old), leads me to suggest that
> you look at the DD for the file defining ^AUPNPAT.
> Look at ^AUPNPAT(0) to find the
> file number and then look at ^DD(file
> number,0,"SCR") and I'm guessing you'll find
> the culprit there as "I '$P(^DPT(Y,0),U,19)". If
> that is the problem then someone
> should review the "SCR" nodes to ensure there are no
> similar problems lurking...
>
> Of course the other problem is how to restart the
> process, and unfortunately I don't
> have any suggestions on that issue.
>
> Marianne Follingstad
> 301 251 0139
>
> Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
>
> > I had two patients that were duplicates--i.e. the
> same
> > person, but with two different married names.
> >
> > So I deleted one, and told fileman to change all
> > pointers from the former to the later.
> >
> > (I had to take off a guard to do this)
> >
> > It then scans through all the appropriate places
> and
> > changes the pointers.
> >
> > But then it drops out after about 20-30 files. I
> > never knew what was happening before, but I have
> > recently studied a bit on GTM debugging
> techniques,
> > and here is what I have come up with:
> >
> > Screen log:
> >
> > ROES ELIGIBILITY CONFIRMATION entries whose
> 'PATIENT'
> > pointers have been changed
> >
MAR
> > 29,2005 20:12 PAGE 1
> >
>

> >
> > ***
NO RECORDS TO PRINT ***
> > GTM>w $ECODE
 notice
> drop-out
> > ,M7,Z150372994,
> > GTM>w $ZSTATUS
> > 150372994,SCR+1^DIO2,%GTM-E-GVUNDEF, Global
> variable
> > undefined: ^DPT(75002,0)
> > GTM>zprint SCR+1^DIO2
> > X DIS(0) Q:'$T
G PASS:'$D(DIS(1))
> >
> > GTM>w DIS(0)
> > S Y=D0 I $D(^AUPNPAT(Y,0)) X "I
> '$P(^DPT(Y,0),U,19)" W
> > $E(^AUPNPAT(Y,0),0)
> > GTM>w Y
> > 75002
> > GTM>
> >
> > It looks like the "^DPT(Y,0)" ought to be
> > "$G(^DPT(Y,0))"
> >
> > Kevin
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured system be copied toanother machine?

2005-04-02 Thread Chris Richardson
Gee, Wally is down in San Diego bringing his sailboat home, Rick is off
somewhere unreachable, and I am going nuts getting ready for the meeting in
Boston.
So it looks like you may be stuck with me to reply.

VistA does have some links to the rest of the system it is installed on, but
they are not many and they are in the Kernel Site Parameter File.  So, if
the equipment is similar, and there is enough capacity to hold the global
file set, should work when relocated to another machine.  Some minor
adjustment may be required to be done in the Kernel Site Parameter file.
Saying that, you might also want to make sure that your clients know about
the new home for the data (if that is desired).


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To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 6:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured system be copied toanother
machine?


 Someone like Wally Fort, Chris Richardson or Rick Marshall may want to
 step in with the facts, but as I remember it, when VistA runs on GT.M on
 Linux, the machine name as reported by the Linux command hostname -s.
 If that is correct, then yes, you should be able to move your database
 files (.dat files), global directory, and routines from one machine to
 another simply by copying them (or with a backup, if you want to do this
 while VistA is running on the first machine - indeed, you will be doing
 something similar next Wednesday).

 Before you move database files, a mupip rundown would be appropriate.

 -- Bhaskar

 On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 16:54 -0800, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
  If I perform a configuration on machine A, can I copy
  my mumps globals and dat files to machine B and have
  it work?
 
  I used to think no, because I thought that the name of
  the machine was stored somewhere.  But I can't find
  where it is stored, and it looks like functions just
  call GETENV^%ZOSV to get the machine name.
 
  So could I do a base installation that others could
  use?
 
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RE: [Hardhats-members] Fileman drop-out on pointer update

2005-04-02 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Yeah, but it is the nature of the weak minded to look
for answers in superstition.  LOL.

Actually, my production system rarely needs to be
rundown.  But that is probably because I am now quite
careful with it.  But when I am configuring a new
system, I often have crashes that lead to the funny
behavior that I hinted at.

Kevin




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 Comment below.
 
 -- Bhaskar
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 on behalf of Kevin Toppenberg
 Sent: Fri 4/1/2005 12:59 PM
 To:   hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
 Cc:   
 Subject:  Re: [Hardhats-members] Fileman drop-out on
 pointer update
 Marianne,
 
 [KSB] ...snip...
 
 Is this really a 'bug'?  Or is it one of those funny
 database-needs-to-be-rundown type situations?
 
 [KSB] Kevin, you are invoking rundown as if it is a
 lucky rabbit's foot to be kept in the pocket and
 touched for good luck.  Unless something is
 fundamentally flawed in how you operate GT.M, you
 should not need rundown.  Fortunately, it's harmless
 (the only time not to try it is when you are
 bringing up the computer after a crash like a power
 failure and you are about to do a mupip journal
 -recover -backward, and even there it's usually
 harmless).  The only time you would need it is when
 you are bringing up a database when something has
 gone wrong - like a system crash, and you didn't
 have journaling turned on, or when the last process
 accessing a database terminated abnormally (e.g.,
 someone issued a kill -9 on it).  It's also a quick
 way to see whether anyone is in the database, when
 you are powering down the system, or replacing one
 GT.M version with another.  At other times, it is no
 more than that rabbit's foot.
 
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Re: [Hardhats-members] CPRS on SuSe linux with crossover works over network

2005-04-02 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
A firewall blocking your system?  Hmmm... that's never
happened to me.  Yup, that's my story and I'm sticking
to it.

Kevin

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 communicating with my
 other linux box has been solved.
 
 I am actually very embarrased to tell you all
 how
 
 UM... The firewall  was on, on the CPRS client
 machine
 DOH!
 
 It is a good thing I don't have a twenty plus year
 history with
 computers to say I should have looked at that first.
 Oh... wait a minute... I do
 Your honor.. I would like to plead permenant
 insanity.
 
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured system be copied toanother machine?

2005-04-02 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
OK.  Great. This sounds do-able.

Is there any interest in trying to get the
SemiVivA/VivA distros preconfigured?  I think it would
greatly help new users.

We could write a short application that changes the
few machine-specific database entries.

I would really like to get this done by the end of the
Boston conference?  Is anyone willing to sit down with
me then to achieve this?

For a basic config, I would like to see generic names
put in for institution etc.  And also VPE.

Perhaps Bhaskar could then help us wrap the files up
into a distribution.

Anyone willing to help?  Or is such a project off
target?

Kevin


--- Chris Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Gee, Wally is down in San Diego bringing his
 sailboat home, Rick is off
 somewhere unreachable, and I am going nuts getting
 ready for the meeting in
 Boston.
 So it looks like you may be stuck with me to reply.
 
 VistA does have some links to the rest of the system
 it is installed on, but
 they are not many and they are in the Kernel Site
 Parameter File.  So, if
 the equipment is similar, and there is enough
 capacity to hold the global
 file set, should work when relocated to another
 machine.  Some minor
 adjustment may be required to be done in the Kernel
 Site Parameter file.
 Saying that, you might also want to make sure that
 your clients know about
 the new home for the data (if that is desired).
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
 Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 6:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured
 system be copied toanother
 machine?
 
 
  Someone like Wally Fort, Chris Richardson or Rick
 Marshall may want to
  step in with the facts, but as I remember it, when
 VistA runs on GT.M on
  Linux, the machine name as reported by the Linux
 command hostname -s.
  If that is correct, then yes, you should be able
 to move your database
  files (.dat files), global directory, and routines
 from one machine to
  another simply by copying them (or with a backup,
 if you want to do this
  while VistA is running on the first machine -
 indeed, you will be doing
  something similar next Wednesday).
 
  Before you move database files, a mupip rundown
 would be appropriate.
 
  -- Bhaskar
 
  On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 16:54 -0800, Kevin
 Toppenberg wrote:
   If I perform a configuration on machine A, can I
 copy
   my mumps globals and dat files to machine B and
 have
   it work?
  
   I used to think no, because I thought that the
 name of
   the machine was stored somewhere.  But I can't
 find
   where it is stored, and it looks like functions
 just
   call GETENV^%ZOSV to get the machine name.
  
   So could I do a base installation that others
 could
   use?
  
   Thanks
   Kevin
  
  
  
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RE: [Hardhats-members] Fileman drop-out on pointer update

2005-04-02 Thread Bhaskar, KS



-Original Message-
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kevin Toppenberg
Sent:   Sat 4/2/2005 3:46 PM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: 
Subject:RE: [Hardhats-members] Fileman drop-out on pointer update
Yeah, but it is the nature of the weak minded to look
for answers in superstition.  LOL.

Actually, my production system rarely needs to be
rundown.  But that is probably because I am now quite
careful with it.  But when I am configuring a new
system, I often have crashes that lead to the funny
behavior that I hinted at.

Kevin

[KSB] OK, if there are system crashes, and you are not running journaling, then 
rundown makes sense.  Remember to run a mupip integ periodically, because the 
database can be structurally damaged by a crash.

-- Bhaskar
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RE: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured system be copied toanother machine?

2005-04-02 Thread Bhaskar, KS
Give me a clear weekend, a set of M routines and a database, and I will make 
you a VivA or SemiVivA just about any time.

-- Bhaskar

-Original Message-
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kevin Toppenberg
Sent:   Sat 4/2/2005 4:01 PM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: 
Subject:Re: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured system be copied 
toanother machine?
OK.  Great. This sounds do-able.

Is there any interest in trying to get the
SemiVivA/VivA distros preconfigured?  I think it would
greatly help new users.

We could write a short application that changes the
few machine-specific database entries.

I would really like to get this done by the end of the
Boston conference?  Is anyone willing to sit down with
me then to achieve this?

For a basic config, I would like to see generic names
put in for institution etc.  And also VPE.

Perhaps Bhaskar could then help us wrap the files up
into a distribution.

Anyone willing to help?  Or is such a project off
target?

Kevin


--- Chris Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Gee, Wally is down in San Diego bringing his
 sailboat home, Rick is off
 somewhere unreachable, and I am going nuts getting
 ready for the meeting in
 Boston.
 So it looks like you may be stuck with me to reply.
 
 VistA does have some links to the rest of the system
 it is installed on, but
 they are not many and they are in the Kernel Site
 Parameter File.  So, if
 the equipment is similar, and there is enough
 capacity to hold the global
 file set, should work when relocated to another
 machine.  Some minor
 adjustment may be required to be done in the Kernel
 Site Parameter file.
 Saying that, you might also want to make sure that
 your clients know about
 the new home for the data (if that is desired).
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
 Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 6:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured
 system be copied toanother
 machine?
 
 
  Someone like Wally Fort, Chris Richardson or Rick
 Marshall may want to
  step in with the facts, but as I remember it, when
 VistA runs on GT.M on
  Linux, the machine name as reported by the Linux
 command hostname -s.
  If that is correct, then yes, you should be able
 to move your database
  files (.dat files), global directory, and routines
 from one machine to
  another simply by copying them (or with a backup,
 if you want to do this
  while VistA is running on the first machine -
 indeed, you will be doing
  something similar next Wednesday).
 
  Before you move database files, a mupip rundown
 would be appropriate.
 
  -- Bhaskar
 
  On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 16:54 -0800, Kevin
 Toppenberg wrote:
   If I perform a configuration on machine A, can I
 copy
   my mumps globals and dat files to machine B and
 have
   it work?
  
   I used to think no, because I thought that the
 name of
   the machine was stored somewhere.  But I can't
 find
   where it is stored, and it looks like functions
 just
   call GETENV^%ZOSV to get the machine name.
  
   So could I do a base installation that others
 could
   use?
  
   Thanks
   Kevin
  
  
  
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Fileman drop-out on pointer update

2005-04-02 Thread Nancy Anthracite
When Rick was helping to port the VA Demo to GTM, I noticed he did a rundown 
on the database every time he shut it down and since then, I have done that 
as well.   True that at the time he was tinkering with its innards, but I 
figured I ought to take a hint and do the same.

On Saturday 02 April 2005 04:10 pm, Bhaskar, KS wrote:
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kevin
 Toppenberg Sent: Sat 4/2/2005 3:46 PM
 To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
 Cc:
 Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Fileman drop-out on pointer update
 Yeah, but it is the nature of the weak minded to look
 for answers in superstition.  LOL.

 Actually, my production system rarely needs to be
 rundown.  But that is probably because I am now quite
 careful with it.  But when I am configuring a new
 system, I often have crashes that lead to the funny
 behavior that I hinted at.

 Kevin

 [KSB] OK, if there are system crashes, and you are not running journaling,
 then rundown makes sense.  Remember to run a mupip integ periodically,
 because the database can be structurally damaged by a crash.

 -- Bhaskar

-- 
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RE: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured system be copied toanother machine?

2005-04-02 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
OK.

I have been setting up my system like this (and you
may well have been the one who told me to do this)

/usr/local/gtm  -- the gtm files
/usr/local/OpenVistA/...  -- the standard vista files
/usr/local/OpenVistA_UserData/... -- my data and
files.

Is that any problem for your VivA production?

Kevin


--- Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Give me a clear weekend, a set of M routines and a
 database, and I will make you a VivA or SemiVivA
 just about any time.
 
 -- Bhaskar
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 on behalf of Kevin Toppenberg
 Sent: Sat 4/2/2005 4:01 PM
 To:   hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
 Cc:   
 Subject:  Re: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured
 system be copied toanother machine?
 OK.  Great. This sounds do-able.
 
 Is there any interest in trying to get the
 SemiVivA/VivA distros preconfigured?  I think it
 would
 greatly help new users.
 
 We could write a short application that changes the
 few machine-specific database entries.
 
 I would really like to get this done by the end of
 the
 Boston conference?  Is anyone willing to sit down
 with
 me then to achieve this?
 
 For a basic config, I would like to see generic
 names
 put in for institution etc.  And also VPE.
 
 Perhaps Bhaskar could then help us wrap the files up
 into a distribution.
 
 Anyone willing to help?  Or is such a project off
 target?
 
 Kevin
 
 
 --- Chris Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Gee, Wally is down in San Diego bringing his
  sailboat home, Rick is off
  somewhere unreachable, and I am going nuts getting
  ready for the meeting in
  Boston.
  So it looks like you may be stuck with me to
 reply.
  
  VistA does have some links to the rest of the
 system
  it is installed on, but
  they are not many and they are in the Kernel Site
  Parameter File.  So, if
  the equipment is similar, and there is enough
  capacity to hold the global
  file set, should work when relocated to another
  machine.  Some minor
  adjustment may be required to be done in the
 Kernel
  Site Parameter file.
  Saying that, you might also want to make sure that
  your clients know about
  the new home for the data (if that is desired).
  
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
  Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 6:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured
  system be copied toanother
  machine?
  
  
   Someone like Wally Fort, Chris Richardson or
 Rick
  Marshall may want to
   step in with the facts, but as I remember it,
 when
  VistA runs on GT.M on
   Linux, the machine name as reported by the Linux
  command hostname -s.
   If that is correct, then yes, you should be able
  to move your database
   files (.dat files), global directory, and
 routines
  from one machine to
   another simply by copying them (or with a
 backup,
  if you want to do this
   while VistA is running on the first machine -
  indeed, you will be doing
   something similar next Wednesday).
  
   Before you move database files, a mupip rundown
  would be appropriate.
  
   -- Bhaskar
  
   On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 16:54 -0800, Kevin
  Toppenberg wrote:
If I perform a configuration on machine A, can
 I
  copy
my mumps globals and dat files to machine B
 and
  have
it work?
   
I used to think no, because I thought that the
  name of
the machine was stored somewhere.  But I can't
  find
where it is stored, and it looks like
 functions
  just
call GETENV^%ZOSV to get the machine name.
   
So could I do a base installation that others
  could
use?
   
Thanks
Kevin
   
   
   
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RE: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured system be copied toanother machine?

2005-04-02 Thread Bhaskar, KS
Not a problem for GT.M or for live CDs.  Since everything is controlled by 
environment variables in GT.M (we'll go over this on Wednesday), all this is 
straightforward.

However, it is culturally inappropriate - the Linux equivalent of belching 
loudly after dinner, which although inappropriate in our society, in others is 
a way that a guest expresses to a host satisfaction and satiation after a good 
meal - to put the database under /usr/local.  If I advised you to put the 
database there, I should justifiably be ostracized by all those friendly to 
real operating systems!

You can put the database under a /var/vista directory, for example, or for 
development purposes under /home/kevin.

-- Bhaskar

-Original Message-
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kevin Toppenberg
Sent:   Sat 4/2/2005 4:20 PM
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: 
Subject:RE: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured system be copied 
toanother machine?
OK.

I have been setting up my system like this (and you
may well have been the one who told me to do this)

/usr/local/gtm  -- the gtm files
/usr/local/OpenVistA/...  -- the standard vista files
/usr/local/OpenVistA_UserData/... -- my data and
files.

Is that any problem for your VivA production?

Kevin
winmail.dat

RE: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured system be copied toanother machine?

2005-04-02 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Oops.

As a linux newbie, I have had a hard time figuring out
what is supposed to go where.

I'll talk with you more about this at the GT.M
conference about possible moving the location on my
system.

Kevin

--- Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Not a problem for GT.M or for live CDs.  Since
 everything is controlled by environment variables in
 GT.M (we'll go over this on Wednesday), all this is
 straightforward.
 
 However, it is culturally inappropriate - the Linux
 equivalent of belching loudly after dinner, which
 although inappropriate in our society, in others is
 a way that a guest expresses to a host satisfaction
 and satiation after a good meal - to put the
 database under /usr/local.  If I advised you to put
 the database there, I should justifiably be
 ostracized by all those friendly to real operating
 systems!
 
 You can put the database under a /var/vista
 directory, for example, or for development purposes
 under /home/kevin.
 
 -- Bhaskar
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 on behalf of Kevin Toppenberg
 Sent: Sat 4/2/2005 4:20 PM
 To:   hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
 Cc:   
 Subject:  RE: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured
 system be copied toanother machine?
 OK.
 
 I have been setting up my system like this (and you
 may well have been the one who told me to do this)
 
 /usr/local/gtm  -- the gtm files
 /usr/local/OpenVistA/...  -- the standard vista
 files
 /usr/local/OpenVistA_UserData/... -- my data and
 files.
 
 Is that any problem for your VivA production?
 
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Fileman drop-out on pointer update

2005-04-02 Thread Chris Richardson
Nancy;

   He was only tickling the VistA innards which is an abstraction from the
MUMPS environment.   There is no magic really, but if one is shutting down,
it is best to do the rundown first (especially if you are the only user).

   Best wishes;   Chris

- Original Message -
From: Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Fileman drop-out on pointer update


 When Rick was helping to port the VA Demo to GTM, I noticed he did a
rundown
 on the database every time he shut it down and since then, I have done
that
 as well.   True that at the time he was tinkering with its innards, but I
 figured I ought to take a hint and do the same.

 On Saturday 02 April 2005 04:10 pm, Bhaskar, KS wrote:
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kevin
  Toppenberg Sent: Sat 4/2/2005 3:46 PM
  To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
  Cc:
  Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Fileman drop-out on pointer update
  Yeah, but it is the nature of the weak minded to look
  for answers in superstition.  LOL.
 
  Actually, my production system rarely needs to be
  rundown.  But that is probably because I am now quite
  careful with it.  But when I am configuring a new
  system, I often have crashes that lead to the funny
  behavior that I hinted at.
 
  Kevin
 
  [KSB] OK, if there are system crashes, and you are not running
journaling,
  then rundown makes sense.  Remember to run a mupip integ periodically,
  because the database can be structurally damaged by a crash.
 
  -- Bhaskar

 --
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RE: [Hardhats-members] Fileman drop-out on pointer update

2005-04-02 Thread Greg Woodhouse
In a former life I did QA for the Kernel team. At the time, I ran MSM
on my workstation (a 486, if that tells you anything) and I did
inegrity checks as part of my testing process. I think I found an
integrity problem -- once.

This error is due to a dangling pointer (no patient exists with a DFN
of Y) and I hav to agree that dangling pointers are much more likely to
be due to something going wrong at the VistA level than in the
underlying MUMPS system. Yes, it's possible that one or more global
nodes could be lost, but I have to agree that we're looking a little
too reflexively for GTM errors.

--- Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kevin
 Toppenberg
 Sent: Sat 4/2/2005 3:46 PM
 To:   hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
 Cc:   
 Subject:  RE: [Hardhats-members] Fileman drop-out on pointer update
 Yeah, but it is the nature of the weak minded to look
 for answers in superstition.  LOL.
 
 Actually, my production system rarely needs to be
 rundown.  But that is probably because I am now quite
 careful with it.  But when I am configuring a new
 system, I often have crashes that lead to the funny
 behavior that I hinted at.
 
 Kevin
 
 [KSB] OK, if there are system crashes, and you are not running
 journaling, then rundown makes sense.  Remember to run a mupip integ
 periodically, because the database can be structurally damaged by a
 crash.
 
 -- Bhaskar
 

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RE: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured system be copied toanother machine?

2005-04-02 Thread Greg Woodhouse

--- Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not a problem for GT.M or for live CDs.  Since everything is
 controlled by environment variables in GT.M (we'll go over this on
 Wednesday), all this is straightforward.
 
 However, it is culturally inappropriate - the Linux equivalent of
 belching loudly after dinner, which although inappropriate in our
 society, in others is a way that a guest expresses to a host
 satisfaction and satiation after a good meal - to put the database
 under /usr/local.  If I advised you to put the database there, I
 should justifiably be ostracized by all those friendly to real
 operating systems!
 
 You can put the database under a /var/vista directory, for example,
 or for development purposes under /home/kevin.
 
 -- Bhaskar
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kevin
 Toppenberg
 Sent: Sat 4/2/2005 4:20 PM
 To:   hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
 Cc:   
 Subject:  RE: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured system be copied
 toanother machine?
 OK.
 
 I have been setting up my system like this (and you
 may well have been the one who told me to do this)
 
 /usr/local/gtm  -- the gtm files
 /usr/local/OpenVistA/...  -- the standard vista files
 /usr/local/OpenVistA_UserData/... -- my data and
 files.
 
 Is that any problem for your VivA production?
 
 Kevin
 

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--Benjamin Disraeli

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[Hardhats-members] Need advice re Linux/GT.M login script

2005-04-02 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
In my environment, the nurses will be using the
terminal access to vista only rarely (1-5 times/day). 
So I am trying to figure a way that they will stay
connected to the system, and not be booted out all the
time.

Currently there are 2 logins required.
1st) a login  pwd to connect to the linux server via
ssh (a common set of codes for all employees)
2nd) the vista access code/verify codes
(employee-specific)

I would like to have the terminal stay connected, even
if they are logged out of vista.  That way they will
only have to enter their vista codes in again the next
time.

Here is the current script that is executed when users
connect to a vista account

# .bashrc
# User specific aliases and functions
# Source global definitions
if [ -f /etc/bashrc ]; then
. /etc/bashrc
fi
sh runvista ^ZU
exit
#

I would like to change this to a loop, like this:
 

# .bashrc
# User specific aliases and functions
# Source global definitions
if [ -f /etc/bashrc ]; then
. /etc/bashrc
fi
while [1 -eq 1]
do
  sh runvista ^ZU
done

exit
#

My concern is that there is no proper way to exit
vista or GT.M with this method.  As soon as they log
out, they will be prompted to log back in.  Thus they
would just exit the terminal application to shut down
the computer at night.

Would this be harmful for vista or GT.M (i.e. the
equivelent of a crash?)

Thanks
Kevin





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RE: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured system be copied toanother machine?

2005-04-02 Thread Greg Woodhouse
The scary thing is that I just realized that on my Mac, MySQL is
installed in /usr/local/mysql/var:


~:$ cd /usr/local
/usr/local:$ ls
bin mysql   share   src vscanx
/usr/local:$ cd mysql/var
/usr/local/mysql/var:$ sudo ls -a
Password:
.   ib_arch_log_00
..  ib_logfile0
Gregory-Woodhouses-Computer.local.err   ib_logfile1
\(Unknown\).err ibdata1
\(Unknown\).pid mysql
hardhatstest
/usr/local/mysql/var:$ 

Does that count as a split personality? :-/

--- Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not a problem for GT.M or for live CDs.  Since everything is
 controlled by environment variables in GT.M (we'll go over this on
 Wednesday), all this is straightforward.
 
 However, it is culturally inappropriate - the Linux equivalent of
 belching loudly after dinner, which although inappropriate in our
 society, in others is a way that a guest expresses to a host
 satisfaction and satiation after a good meal - to put the database
 under /usr/local.  If I advised you to put the database there, I
 should justifiably be ostracized by all those friendly to real
 operating systems!
 
 You can put the database under a /var/vista directory, for example,
 or for development purposes under /home/kevin.
 
 -- Bhaskar
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kevin
 Toppenberg
 Sent: Sat 4/2/2005 4:20 PM
 To:   hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
 Cc:   
 Subject:  RE: [Hardhats-members] Can a configured system be copied
 toanother machine?
 OK.
 
 I have been setting up my system like this (and you
 may well have been the one who told me to do this)
 
 /usr/local/gtm  -- the gtm files
 /usr/local/OpenVistA/...  -- the standard vista files
 /usr/local/OpenVistA_UserData/... -- my data and
 files.
 
 Is that any problem for your VivA production?
 
 Kevin
 

A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. 
--Benjamin Disraeli

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Re: [Hardhats-members] Fileman drop-out on pointer update

2005-04-02 Thread Greg Kreis




All you will do is postpone the inevitable. The zero node of a record
is essential and shouldn't be missing. It is a sign that something is
wrong. (I can think of one case in the 3.9 file where I believe the
zero node's non-existence is a 'sign' that the record is being built
and not ready yet, but I am only inferring this reading.)

Kevin Toppenberg wrote:

  Marianne,

I wrote this short code to show all the "SCR" nodes

ShowSCR
new I
set I=$order(^DD(""))
for  do  quit:(I="")
. if $data(^DD(I,0,"SCR")) zwr ^DD(I,0,"SCR")
. set I=$order(^DD(I))

I then looked at them all, and they all seemed ok
except for this one:
 
^DD(3.5,0,"SCR")="I 1 Q:$G(D)'=""LSYN"" 
Q:'$D(^%ZOSF(""VOL""))  I
$P(^%ZIS(1,Y,0),U,9)=^%ZOSF(""VOL"")!($P(^%ZIS(1,Y,0),U,9)=)"


It looks like that ^%ZIS ought to be in a $G().

Think I should change it?

Kevin


--- Marianne Susaanti Follingstad
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
It should be fine to put the $G in there.  There
can't be any unforeseen
consequences to having it there.  In fact, as you
found, there are unforeseen
consequences to NOT having it there.  As I
mentioned, it would be good to have
someone review these SCR nodes to see if there are
any other potential problems.

Marianne Follingstad
301 251 0139

Kevin Toppenberg wrote:



  Marianne,

Thanks for your help.

Following your instructions:
GTMzwr ^AUPNPAT(0)
^AUPNPAT(0)="PATIENT/IHS^901sIP^14861^1510"

GTMzwr ^DD(901,0,"SCR")
^DD(901,0,"SCR")="X ""I '$P(^DPT(Y,0),U,19)""
  

W


  $E(^AUPNPAT(Y,0),0)"


So you are right.  This is the source of the line
  

that


  caused the drop-out.

I had suggested: It looks like the "^DPT(Y,0)"
  

ought


  to be "$G(^DPT(Y,0))"

So I could put that change here.  But I'm note
  

sure if


  that would have other unforseen consequenses.

Is this really a 'bug'?  Or is it one of those
  

funny


  database-needs-to-be-rundown type situations?

Thanks
Kevin

--- Marianne Susaanti Follingstad
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
A quick look at the DI* routines I have (which

  

are


  
old), leads me to suggest that
you look at the DD for the file defining

  

^AUPNPAT.


  
Look at ^AUPNPAT(0) to find the
file number and then look at ^DD(file
number,0,"SCR") and I'm guessing you'll find
the culprit there as "I '$P(^DPT(Y,0),U,19)". 

  

If


  
that is the problem then someone
should review the "SCR" nodes to ensure there

  

are no


  
similar problems lurking...

Of course the other problem is how to restart

  

the


  
process, and unfortunately I don't
have any suggestions on that issue.

Marianne Follingstad
301 251 0139

Kevin Toppenberg wrote:



  I had two patients that were duplicates--i.e.
  

  

the


  
same


   person, but with two different married names.

So I deleted one, and told fileman to change
  

  

all


  

  pointers from the former to the later.

(I had to take off a guard to do this)

It then scans through all the appropriate
  

  

places


  
and


  changes the pointers.

But then it drops out after about 20-30 files.
  

  

 I


  

  never knew what was happening before, but I
  

  

have


  

  recently studied a bit on GTM debugging
  

techniques,


  and here is what I have come up with:

Screen log:

ROES ELIGIBILITY CONFIRMATION entries whose
  

'PATIENT'


  pointers have been changed
  
  

  

MAR


  

  29,2005  20:12PAGE 1

  

  

  
  
  
  

  

*** NO RECORDS TO PRINT ***
GTMw $ECODE   notice
  

drop-out


  ,M7,Z150372994,
GTMw $ZSTATUS
150372994,SCR+1^DIO2,%GTM-E-GVUNDEF, Global
  

variable


  undefined: ^DPT(75002,0)
GTMzprint SCR+1^DIO2
X DIS(0) Q:'$T  G PASS:'$D(DIS(1))

GTMw DIS(0)
S Y=D0 I $D(^AUPNPAT(Y,0)) X "I
  

'$P(^DPT(Y,0),U,19)" W


  $E(^AUPNPAT(Y,0),0)
GTMw Y
75002

[Hardhats-members] CPRS

2005-04-02 Thread Thurman Pedigo
I have VistA running on Cache 5.xxx Window Server 2003. All clients are Win
XP PRO. CPRS works fine on two clients. Should CPRS work from the server?

I get WSAEADDRNOTAVAIL when I try to launch client (from server platform).
Is there any special setting for the server to run as a client? I tried CPRS
and failed with host set at:  67.104.173.198  vistasrv 
For now it fails with host set as 127.0.0.1  localhost .
Do I need to change host file?

One client also has WSAEADDRNOTAVAIL error. As nearly as I can tell it has
identical host file settings as the two clients that work fine. 

Appreciate any advicetx/t




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