RE: [H] SATA Plextor ?
a7n8x deluxe good to know about the new mb's. this one might get replaced soon with a nf4, possible even go back to Abit. They seem to have the best rma policy. ( or at least less hassle then most ) fp At 08:37 PM 8/30/2005, Chris Poked the stick with: As an aside I recently assembled a system with an A8N-E and SATA Plextor drive. The system had no trouble booting from the Plextor. I did not realize there was an A7N8X board that supported SATA however. - Chris -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FORC5 Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 12:57 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] SATA Plextor ? joy to the world, dropped in a cheap eide burner for boot. how come software prices do not drop with hardware prices fp At 09:03 PM 8/29/2005, Wayne Johnson Poked the stick with: Welcome to state of the art. ;-) -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Selfishness is a vice we see it only in others. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Life has a lot of undocumented features.
[H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
We have a situation where we are going to have American refuges. The people of the Gulf needs help, lots and lots of help. If you haven't yet, consider donating to the Red Cross. I don't usually (because of $$ excuses) but damn, my countrymen are in a world of hurt in gumbo land. But I can't sit back and just let Americans die right here, right now while I sit in AC eating pizza in comfort. If you got the impression that things where not that bad Monday and you haven't turned on the news lately, New Orleans is a doomed city. The levees broke and the city WILL drown. We have survivors walking out with nothing but what is on their backs not knowing where to go, what to do, no shelter, food, water, money, nothing. We are going to have refuge camps down there for a while. DO WHAT YOU CAN ASAP. Dear James, Thank you for your generous gift to the American Red Cross 2005 Hurricane Relief Fund. This fund makes it possible for the Red Cross to help nationwide Hurricane disaster victims of 2005 with critical needs such as shelter, food, clothing, counseling and other assistance. It's because of the 2005 Hurricane Relief Fund that our response can be immediate regardless of its location or the community's ability to financially support our efforts. Your generous support means the most to the families who rely on Red Cross to help them through some of the most difficult times of their lives. Please continue to visit us at http://www.RedCross.org to see how we're using your 2005 Hurricane Relief Fund donation to make a difference, and for the most current disaster updates and stories about the people being helped. Together, we can save a life. American Red Cross -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 8/30/2005
RE: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
I did the same last night. We live just south of Lafayette, so we watched Katrina very closely, prepared to leave if it came this way. These things are horrible to sit through. Lili came through 3 years ago but weakened just before landfall, but the damage in this area was extensive, although nothing of this magnitude. My sister and her husband left NO before it hit. I doubt they have anything left to go back to. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim Edwards Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:23 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina We have a situation where we are going to have American refuges. The people of the Gulf needs help, lots and lots of help. If you haven't yet, consider donating to the Red Cross. I don't usually (because of $$ excuses) but damn, my countrymen are in a world of hurt in gumbo land. But I can't sit back and just let Americans die right here, right now while I sit in AC eating pizza in comfort. If you got the impression that things where not that bad Monday and you haven't turned on the news lately, New Orleans is a doomed city. The levees broke and the city WILL drown. We have survivors walking out with nothing but what is on their backs not knowing where to go, what to do, no shelter, food, water, money, nothing. We are going to have refuge camps down there for a while. DO WHAT YOU CAN ASAP. Dear James, Thank you for your generous gift to the American Red Cross 2005 Hurricane Relief Fund. This fund makes it possible for the Red Cross to help nationwide Hurricane disaster victims of 2005 with critical needs such as shelter, food, clothing, counseling and other assistance. It's because of the 2005 Hurricane Relief Fund that our response can be immediate regardless of its location or the community's ability to financially support our efforts. Your generous support means the most to the families who rely on Red Cross to help them through some of the most difficult times of their lives. Please continue to visit us at http://www.RedCross.org to see how we're using your 2005 Hurricane Relief Fund donation to make a difference, and for the most current disaster updates and stories about the people being helped. Together, we can save a life. American Red Cross -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 8/30/2005 __ NOD32 1.1205 (20050830) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
My heart goes out to you, who are affected by Katrina. We saw what the tsunami did to our neighbouring country last Xmas. Henrik A Dane Down Under - Original Message - From: Jim Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:22 PM Subject: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina We have a situation where we are going to have American refuges. The people of the Gulf needs help, lots and lots of help. If you haven't yet, consider donating to the Red Cross. I don't usually (because of $$ excuses) but damn, my countrymen are in a world of hurt in gumbo land. But I can't sit back and just let Americans die right here, right now while I sit in AC eating pizza in comfort. If you got the impression that things where not that bad Monday and you haven't turned on the news lately, New Orleans is a doomed city. The levees broke and the city WILL drown. We have survivors walking out with nothing but what is on their backs not knowing where to go, what to do, no shelter, food, water, money, nothing. We are going to have refuge camps down there for a while. DO WHAT YOU CAN ASAP. Dear James, Thank you for your generous gift to the American Red Cross 2005 Hurricane Relief Fund. This fund makes it possible for the Red Cross to help nationwide Hurricane disaster victims of 2005 with critical needs such as shelter, food, clothing, counseling and other assistance. It's because of the 2005 Hurricane Relief Fund that our response can be immediate regardless of its location or the community's ability to financially support our efforts. Your generous support means the most to the families who rely on Red Cross to help them through some of the most difficult times of their lives. Please continue to visit us at http://www.RedCross.org to see how we're using your 2005 Hurricane Relief Fund donation to make a difference, and for the most current disaster updates and stories about the people being helped. Together, we can save a life. American Red Cross -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 8/30/2005
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
Not to sound heartless, but people are not going to be totally reliant on donations to get by. There will be a ton of federal aid, insurance money, etc. going to these people. There will be no refugee camps. People will be relocated to other cities. We don't live in a 3rd world country, and have plenty of room for the displaced all over the country. Jim Edwards wrote: We have a situation where we are going to have American refuges. The people of the Gulf needs help, lots and lots of help. If you haven't yet, consider donating to the Red Cross. I don't usually (because of $$ excuses) but damn, my countrymen are in a world of hurt in gumbo land. But I can't sit back and just let Americans die right here, right now while I sit in AC eating pizza in comfort. If you got the impression that things where not that bad Monday and you haven't turned on the news lately, New Orleans is a doomed city. The levees broke and the city WILL drown. We have survivors walking out with nothing but what is on their backs not knowing where to go, what to do, no shelter, food, water, money, nothing. We are going to have refuge camps down there for a while. DO WHAT YOU CAN ASAP.
RE: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
Last Thursday, my oldest brother was relocated and put in charge of several thousand national guard to help handle the operation. The reality is, this will get worse before it gets better.. much, much worse. And the problem is, there is so much poverty in New Orleans, and the structural design of the city is still a mess.. it's going to be a very messy and difficult work through. CW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:08 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina Not to sound heartless, but people are not going to be totally reliant on donations to get by. There will be a ton of federal aid, insurance money, etc. going to these people. There will be no refugee camps. People will be relocated to other cities. We don't live in a 3rd world country, and have plenty of room for the displaced all over the country. Jim Edwards wrote: We have a situation where we are going to have American refuges. The people of the Gulf needs help, lots and lots of help. If you haven't yet, consider donating to the Red Cross. I don't usually (because of $$ excuses) but damn, my countrymen are in a world of hurt in gumbo land. But I can't sit back and just let Americans die right here, right now while I sit in AC eating pizza in comfort. If you got the impression that things where not that bad Monday and you haven't turned on the news lately, New Orleans is a doomed city. The levees broke and the city WILL drown. We have survivors walking out with nothing but what is on their backs not knowing where to go, what to do, no shelter, food, water, money, nothing. We are going to have refuge camps down there for a while. DO WHAT YOU CAN ASAP.
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
Chris Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the problem is, there is so much poverty in New Orleans, and the structural design of the city is still a mess.. it's going to be a very messy and difficult work through. President Bush says that now that the catastrophe has hit, government should swing into action and help people. I say, governments job was to prevent catastrophes like Katrina, and to be prepared. Its so American, wanting to be the hero and rescue survivors rather than the engineer to prevent the need. The municipal government is inept and had no ability to move people out of the city after it ordered a mandatory evacuation. There is only one road out of the city today. Worse, it is a cess pit of corpses, household and industrial toxins, water snakes, floating balls of red ants, and alligators. There is no organized way to get people out and no way to feed those trapped there. But the media is dwelling on looting. We've been aware of New Orleans inevitable horror for decades, and absolutely nothing sufficient was done about it. The levees, now broken and filling the city, were supposedly designed to protect against a Category Three hurricane, yet Katrina was only a Two when it hit. Its a major port, crucial to the nation. Shouldnt everything have been better and higher? Listening to Haley Barbour, the Governor of Mississippi, and Mayor Ray Nagin of New Orleans yesterday, I have the feeling that Southern corruption and conservative hatred of taxes has taken a hit. There seems to be no means to find out how many people are dead or missing without counting bodies, even in general terms. This, after an event long predicted. The Gulf Coast just had a long predicted catastrophe for which evidence shows no realistic preparations had been made despite previous hurricanes and floods. But the looters are black, so lets focus on that moral breakdown of American society and not on the hugely corrupt and incompetent governments along the Gulf coast for a half century. Its so American. Dont teach birth control, fight abortion. Dont prepare for mathematical certainty, worship the melodrama of numerically insufficient rescues. http://www.darkendeavors.com/commentaries/2005/08-31-2005.asp
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
It's so American. Don't teach birth control, fight abortion. Don't prepare for mathematical certainty, worship the melodrama of numerically insufficient rescues. The only certainty is that Mother Nature is unpredictable. How much money should we throw at this bottomless pit? If you design levees for a Cat 3, next time it will be a Cat 4 hurricane. People should not live below sea level when they are so close to massive bodies of water. Gary VanderMolen
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only certainty is that Mother Nature is unpredictable. How much money should we throw at this bottomless pit? If you design levees for a Cat 3, next time it will be a Cat 4 hurricane. People should not live below sea level when they are so close to massive bodies of water. And where is this place of no earthquakes, tornados, floods, etc or some form of natural disaster? The cost of being unprepared in such a critical area for our nation, is many times what it would have cost to be better prepared. We seem to be so short sited. Pay a dollar later to save a dime now. I'm watching the city of Boulder repaint crosswalks. They are only doing it where it is completely worn off. I see where they paint for 2 feet, leave 10 inches, and paint again for another three feet. The 10 inch section in only half worn out. What is the cost of getting the truck and crew back there to paint that 10 inches next year, verses painting it now?
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
While I do agree that living below sea level like that is a bad idea this was preventable. There was a major levee construction project whose funding was cut by Bush (~$250 million) If Bush didn't cut the funding the levees wouldn't have broke so easily like they did. http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313 Eli - Original Message - From: Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina It's so American. Don't teach birth control, fight abortion. Don't prepare for mathematical certainty, worship the melodrama of numerically insufficient rescues. The only certainty is that Mother Nature is unpredictable. How much money should we throw at this bottomless pit? If you design levees for a Cat 3, next time it will be a Cat 4 hurricane. People should not live below sea level when they are so close to massive bodies of water. Gary VanderMolen
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
On 8/31/05, Eli Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I do agree that living below sea level like that is a bad idea this was preventable. There was a major levee construction project whose funding was cut by Bush (~$250 million) If Bush didn't cut the funding the levees wouldn't have broke so easily like they did. Ah great. Took all of about 10 seconds for people to start blaming Bush. While we are at it lets blame him for the residents of LA being poor and uneducated in the first place - it's all a racist plot by those awful Republicans. Give me a freaking break. I am sure that with a bit of digging I can find just as many Democratic governors, Congressmen, and Presidents who also cut funding. Don't forget that the Corps of Engineers has been embroiled in several major scandals over the past few years over their use of funds. http://www.taxpayer.net/corpswatch/LearnMore/scandals.htm is one example I quickly Googled. What about this report, released in Nov of last year - http://www.colorado.edu/hazards/o/nov04/nov04c.html It looks pretty darn accurate to me. Now why shouldn't we blame everyone who didn't pay attention to this? I bet we can find a few hundred people who fit that bill. Can you guarantee that the money the evil man Bush cut from the budget would have been used and the magical new levee would have been built before this storm hits? When was this new system supposed to have been completed by? Would it have worked? What about placing the blame on the city forcing the Mississippi to flow into one river channel? This did two things - it prevents the silt flow from building the delta which protects the city from the ocean. It also left NO in a sinking hole where every drop of water which falls on it needs to be pumped out. In fact, let's blame the Corps of Engineers who built the system of levees to prevent the river from changing course and caused NO to become a sinkhole: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0374522596/qid=1125457675/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-2930600-5361507?v=glances=booksn=507846 Leave you damn politics out of this. Everyone and no one is to blame for this tragedy. -- Brian
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
It should be noted, though, that there were slightly over $38B worth of Army Corp. Engineer projects for upstream alleviation, spilloff grounds, and levee design that were openly opposed since 1997 by the National Wildlife Fund, PETA, River Conservation Forum, and the World Wildlife Fund (on the left) and the National Taxpayers Union, Taxpayers America, and WasteRot organizaitons on the right. Since 1997, every proposal that the Army Corp of engineers has put up for levee redesign has been bitterly opposed by heavy lobbying groups on both sides of the isle, to the extent where the feasibility of moving forward with them was nil. I think I've said this, but my oldest brother has worked for the Pentagon for almost 4 years now, before then with the USMS, and so on.. and these projects were so bitterly opposed that I don't know what people expected. There were tons of people on both sides who lobbied in committee to get the cuts put into place.. and still, for many, the cuts were nowhere near enough. I'm not saying that's right, I'm just saying, let's not pretend that Bush (or anyone) operated in a vaccuum; the pressures against the Army Corp of Engineers were severe. I'll have a longer post later; I'll talk to him later tonight and see how things go ;) CW -Original message- From: Eli Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:52:58 -0500 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina While I do agree that living below sea level like that is a bad idea this was preventable. There was a major levee construction project whose funding was cut by Bush (~$250 million) If Bush didn't cut the funding the levees wouldn't have broke so easily like they did. http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313 Eli - Original Message - From: Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina It's so American. Don't teach birth control, fight abortion. Don't prepare for mathematical certainty, worship the melodrama of numerically insufficient rescues. The only certainty is that Mother Nature is unpredictable. How much money should we throw at this bottomless pit? If you design levees for a Cat 3, next time it will be a Cat 4 hurricane. People should not live below sea level when they are so close to massive bodies of water. Gary VanderMolen
RE: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
The Red Cross is for front line help, getting food and water out there now. The logistics of relocation will take time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ben Ruset Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:08 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina Not to sound heartless, but people are not going to be totally reliant on donations to get by. There will be a ton of federal aid, insurance money, etc. going to these people. There will be no refugee camps. People will be relocated to other cities. We don't live in a 3rd world country, and have plenty of room for the displaced all over the country. Jim Edwards wrote: We have a situation where we are going to have American refuges. The people of the Gulf needs help, lots and lots of help. If you haven't yet, consider donating to the Red Cross. I don't usually (because of $$ excuses) but damn, my countrymen are in a world of hurt in gumbo land. But I can't sit back and just let Americans die right here, right now while I sit in AC eating pizza in comfort. If you got the impression that things where not that bad Monday and you haven't turned on the news lately, New Orleans is a doomed city. The levees broke and the city WILL drown. We have survivors walking out with nothing but what is on their backs not knowing where to go, what to do, no shelter, food, water, money, nothing. We are going to have refuge camps down there for a while. DO WHAT YOU CAN ASAP. __ NOD32 1.1207 (20050831) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
RE: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
I think we should forget the politics and do as Jim did -- give what we can to the Red Cross or other aid societies to help those so devastated by Katrina. Trying to place blame for such a disaster certainly doesn't help the victims of this horrible natural event. Myrna J. Rademacher, MCSE, MCSA, MCP Systems Administrator Humes Barrington, P.C. St. Louis, MO USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CW Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:30 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina It should be noted, though, that there were slightly over $38B worth of Army Corp. Engineer projects for upstream alleviation, spilloff grounds, and levee design that were openly opposed since 1997 by the National Wildlife Fund, PETA, River Conservation Forum, and the World Wildlife Fund (on the left) and the National Taxpayers Union, Taxpayers America, and WasteRot organizaitons on the right. Since 1997, every proposal that the Army Corp of engineers has put up for levee redesign has been bitterly opposed by heavy lobbying groups on both sides of the isle, to the extent where the feasibility of moving forward with them was nil. I think I've said this, but my oldest brother has worked for the Pentagon for almost 4 years now, before then with the USMS, and so on.. and these projects were so bitterly opposed that I don't know what people expected. There were tons of people on both sides who lobbied in committee to get the cuts put into place.. and still, for many, the cuts were nowhere near enough. I'm not saying that's right, I'm just saying, let's not pretend that Bush (or anyone) operated in a vaccuum; the pressures against the Army Corp of Engineers were severe. I'll have a longer post later; I'll talk to him later tonight and see how things go ;) CW -Original message- From: Eli Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:52:58 -0500 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina While I do agree that living below sea level like that is a bad idea this was preventable. There was a major levee construction project whose funding was cut by Bush (~$250 million) If Bush didn't cut the funding the levees wouldn't have broke so easily like they did. http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_c ontent_id=1001051313 Eli - Original Message - From: Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina It's so American. Don't teach birth control, fight abortion. Don't prepare for mathematical certainty, worship the melodrama of numerically insufficient rescues. The only certainty is that Mother Nature is unpredictable. How much money should we throw at this bottomless pit? If you design levees for a Cat 3, next time it will be a Cat 4 hurricane. People should not live below sea level when they are so close to massive bodies of water. Gary VanderMolen
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
Myrna Rademacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to place blame for such a disaster certainly doesn't help the victims of this horrible natural event. But then it's not supposed to. It's supposed to create an awareness of our government spending 400 billion creating a war as a cover for building military bases over there, instead of fixing the broken borders and crumbling infrastructure over here. We can do both, help the current victims and demand better prevention of future victims. Al
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
that would be a good trick At 02:15 PM 8/31/2005, Al Poked the stick with: I say, governments job was to prevent catastrophes like Katrina, -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Free men do not ask permission to bear arms
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that would be a good trick At 02:15 PM 8/31/2005, Al Poked the stick with: I say, governments job was to prevent catastrophes like Katrina, Not to prevent hurricanes, but to prevent the depth of the disaster caused by it. Al
[H] Firefox Extensions
I love Firefox but have one thing that bugs me - everytime I reinstall it or install it on a new computer I have to go out and re-download all my extensions. Is there a way to package all the ones I use together and have Firefox install them all at once from my local system? -- Brian
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
At 07:53 PM 8/31/2005, Al typed: Not to prevent hurricanes, but to prevent the depth of the disaster caused by it. The casinos in MS were supposedly designed for level 5 hurricane look what happened to them. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
Very good, Brian. I, too, am getting very tired of these ranting agendas. We have a lot of people out there that are dying or will be if help does not get there. This include the morons that stayed for the parties, surfing, jet skiing, etc. Nonetheless they need help, not agendas. Jeff - Original Message - From: Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina On 8/31/05, Eli Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I do agree that living below sea level like that is a bad idea this was preventable. There was a major levee construction project whose funding was cut by Bush (~$250 million) If Bush didn't cut the funding the levees wouldn't have broke so easily like they did. Ah great. Took all of about 10 seconds for people to start blaming Bush. While we are at it lets blame him for the residents of LA being poor and uneducated in the first place - it's all a racist plot by those awful Republicans. Give me a freaking break. I am sure that with a bit of digging I can find just as many Democratic governors, Congressmen, and Presidents who also cut funding. Don't forget that the Corps of Engineers has been embroiled in several major scandals over the past few years over their use of funds. http://www.taxpayer.net/corpswatch/LearnMore/scandals.htm is one example I quickly Googled. What about this report, released in Nov of last year - http://www.colorado.edu/hazards/o/nov04/nov04c.html It looks pretty darn accurate to me. Now why shouldn't we blame everyone who didn't pay attention to this? I bet we can find a few hundred people who fit that bill. Can you guarantee that the money the evil man Bush cut from the budget would have been used and the magical new levee would have been built before this storm hits? When was this new system supposed to have been completed by? Would it have worked? What about placing the blame on the city forcing the Mississippi to flow into one river channel? This did two things - it prevents the silt flow from building the delta which protects the city from the ocean. It also left NO in a sinking hole where every drop of water which falls on it needs to be pumped out. In fact, let's blame the Corps of Engineers who built the system of levees to prevent the river from changing course and caused NO to become a sinkhole: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0374522596/qid=1125457675/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-2930600-5361507?v=glances=booksn=507846 Leave you damn politics out of this. Everyone and no one is to blame for this tragedy. -- Brian -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
Another good trick - Original Message - From: Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that would be a good trick At 02:15 PM 8/31/2005, Al Poked the stick with: I say, government's job was to prevent catastrophes like Katrina, Not to prevent hurricanes, but to prevent the depth of the disaster caused by it. Al -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
one we should have spent the 400 billion on. jeff.lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another good trick - Original Message - From: Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that would be a good trick At 02:15 PM 8/31/2005, Al Poked the stick with: I say, government's job was to prevent catastrophes like Katrina, Not to prevent hurricanes, but to prevent the depth of the disaster caused by it.
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
At 05:15 PM 8/31/2005, Al typed: We've been aware of New Orleans' inevitable horror for decades, and absolutely nothing sufficient was done about it. The levees, now broken and filling the city, were supposedly designed to protect against a Category Three hurricane, yet Katrina was only a Two when it hit. It's a major port, crucial to the nation. Shouldn't everything have been better and higher? It was a 2 when it crossed Fla but it was a 5 Sunday nite a 4 when it made landfall Monday morning as my wife I watched it on CNN. CNN had reported that the eye of the storm was just past NO when the levee started to break apart. NO was thinking that they were spared since the storm track was East of the City. Can you imagine what it would've been like if the storm had stayed to the west. FWIW a classmate of my wife was contacted Monday morning here in North Central Ohio by the Red Cross to go to NO MS he was en route Monday afternoon. FEMA people can't even pick up the dead bodies because there aren't enough morgues yet. This recovery stuff can not happen over night. There are many good people trying to help. Why should the Federal government be responsible for where local governments say that it's ok to build? In 1960 I saw houses floating out to sea that were swept off it's peers. The Feds had almost no environmental housing building codes back then like they do now so to say they're doing nothing is false. Most of the buildings in the French Quarter etc have been there for over a century. I went to an elementary school in NO was terrified when I was told that the city was below sea level. I wonder if it wouldn't be cheaper faster safer for everyone to just evacuate the city totally permanently. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
At 08:48 PM 8/31/2005, jeff.lane typed: Another good trick Didn't you know the federal gov't is suppose to build a sea wall all along the Gulf Atlantic coast without raising our taxes that can withstand the worst case scenario hurricane. I don't know what they can do to prevent damage from tornados blizzards tho. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
RE: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina - Governement Plan to stop Hurricanes
Actually it is very funny someone should mention this. The government DID have a department designed to stop hurricanes, called Project Stormfury. They were using airplanes equipped with certain chemicals (silver iodide?) to help reduce the winds of a hurricane. ... How come no one heard of them? Not surprisingly they tried and while it looked like it worked, it turned out that the hurricanes would have reduced their winds naturally. It ran from 1962 to 1983 so about 20 years of tax dollars went into it. http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hrd_sub/sfury.html - Carroll Kong -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:40 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina At 08:48 PM 8/31/2005, jeff.lane typed: Another good trick Didn't you know the federal gov't is suppose to build a sea wall all along the Gulf Atlantic coast without raising our taxes that can withstand the worst case scenario hurricane. I don't know what they can do to prevent damage from tornados blizzards tho. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
RE: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
It's funny you should mention this as well. I just recovered from my computer woes. See, I had a RAID1 hardware mirror with 3Ware and I detected what seemed to be a harddisk failure. No problem, I should have high availability and tolerant this fault nicely. So, how come I had to end up ripping the 3ware out and reinstalling on a normal IDE disk? (a few times too!) Because sometimes the best designs are not going to work without a lot of field testing. Either that or the goals are too ambitious (kind of like those surge protectors that supposedly can stop direct hits of lighting). For the record, the RAID somewhat worked, but it didn't provide the fault tolerance which I was looking for. I ended up losing so many man hours, I was MUCH better off relying on my network server's RAID and backing up data there. No data was lost thankfully but I did not benefit from high availability because the RAID system failed for me. Next time I am going to go SCSI RAID, but for now, no more RAID. It's not that the designers are liars or crooks, just it's a bit hard to test for hurricane resistance when you can't just say hey let's go test this against a category 5 hurricane!. If I could run into this issue when I had the ability to do field testing, imagine running into scenarios where you are up against a force of nature that does not appear that often. That said, like my RAID scenario, I paid a lot of extra money and spent extra time accomodating and ensuring the RAID1 was setup to work. When push came to shove, my RAID1 solution did not provide all the features I wanted anyway, so I wasted all those resources for nothing. It's hard to pre-design for certain things, and you might end up spending more money without getting what you really want. In that sense, you were better off spending it elsewhere, ala opportunity costs. - Carroll Kong -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:22 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina At 07:53 PM 8/31/2005, Al typed: Not to prevent hurricanes, but to prevent the depth of the disaster caused by it. The casinos in MS were supposedly designed for level 5 hurricane look what happened to them. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina
Strange you should mention total evacuation and desertion of the city. I was thinking that may be the only option, even after it is pumped out. No one knows what has happened to the ground structure; it may not be livable again and maybe it would just be best to let the Gulf have it's land back. Build New New Orleans on dry land to the north out of the major flood areas. Terrible thought, but Possibly a huge port, that was truly hurricane proof, could be created after dredging out the old city, with sealed warehouses, etc. A dream?...maybe... Probably be considerably cheaper and more effective than trying to save the old city. The money saved could rebuild the victim's homes and business' that were not covered by insurance. Jeff From: Wayne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina At 05:15 PM 8/31/2005, Al typed: We've been aware of New Orleans' inevitable horror for decades, and absolutely nothing sufficient was done about it. The levees, now broken and filling the city, were supposedly designed to protect against a Category Three hurricane, yet Katrina was only a Two when it hit. It's a major port, crucial to the nation. Shouldn't everything have been better and higher? It was a 2 when it crossed Fla but it was a 5 Sunday nite a 4 when it made landfall Monday morning as my wife I watched it on CNN. CNN had reported that the eye of the storm was just past NO when the levee started to break apart. NO was thinking that they were spared since the storm track was East of the City. Can you imagine what it would've been like if the storm had stayed to the west. FWIW a classmate of my wife was contacted Monday morning here in North Central Ohio by the Red Cross to go to NO MS he was en route Monday afternoon. FEMA people can't even pick up the dead bodies because there aren't enough morgues yet. This recovery stuff can not happen over night. There are many good people trying to help. Why should the Federal government be responsible for where local governments say that it's ok to build? In 1960 I saw houses floating out to sea that were swept off it's peers. The Feds had almost no environmental housing building codes back then like they do now so to say they're doing nothing is false. Most of the buildings in the French Quarter etc have been there for over a century. I went to an elementary school in NO was terrified when I was told that the city was below sea level. I wonder if it wouldn't be cheaper faster safer for everyone to just evacuate the city totally permanently. --+-- Wayne D. Johnson Ashland, OH, USA 44805 http://www.wavijo.com
RE: [H] It's bad, really bad - Katrina - Governement Plan to stop Hurricanes
I do remember that project couldn't remember exactly when it was fp At 06:45 PM 8/31/2005, Carroll Kong Poked the stick with: Actually it is very funny someone should mention this. The government DID have a department designed to stop hurricanes, called Project Stormfury. They were using airplanes equipped with certain chemicals (silver iodide?) to help reduce the winds of a hurricane. ... How come no one heard of them? Not surprisingly they tried and while it looked like it worked, it turned out that the hurricanes would have reduced their winds naturally. It ran from 1962 to 1983 so about 20 years of tax dollars went into it. http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hrd_sub/sfury.html -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Old age treachery triumph over youth vigor.
