Re: [H] Save XP!
Podcast discussing many of its uses and benefits here (along with transcript and show notes): http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm#129 I find Steve very hard to listen to; stuttering, run on sentences, etc. if, if the machine is on and allow it to, to properly synchronize and, and, and receive Windows updates... Good thing for the transcripts. Al
Re: [H] Save XP!
You must have a hard time with normal conversations then...most people talk that way...when not making speeches Al wrote: Podcast discussing many of its uses and benefits here (along with transcript and show notes): http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm#129 I find Steve very hard to listen to; stuttering, run on sentences, etc. if, if the machine is on and allow it to, to properly synchronize and, and, and receive Windows updates... Good thing for the transcripts. Al
Re: [H] Save XP!
At 10:06 AM 05/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: You must have a hard time with normal conversations then...most people talk that way...when not making speeches No, Steve can be rather hard to listen to at times. And he is sometimes factually wrong and sometimes doesn't fix the errors. T
Re: [H] Save XP!
Thankfully; _most_ people don't fill in the spaces in their thoughts with repetitive speech, at least to his degree. Anthony Q. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must have a hard time with normal conversations then...most people talk that way...when not making speeches Al wrote: if, if the machine is on and allow it to, to properly synchronize and, and, and receive Windows updates...
Re: [H] Marvell network stuff
I've used the Marvell Yukon gigabit controllers before. I had them on some boards from Gigabyte a couple of years ago. I'd just whichever one Asus has on their site. I have not heard of Alaska. Once I had one onboard a motherboard was whose Device ID did not match the device ids in the drivers (*.inf). I had to force install the driver and it worked fine after that. I think somehow the device id changed because this was a production system at a local Copy Center that suddenly went offline. I quickly saw that it's ethernet controller had become an unknown/other device in the Windows Device Manager. After checking the vendor and device id of the ethernet controller I found that the vendor code matched but the device id didn't. Neither the drivers from the motherboard manufacturer nor Marvell's reference driver had a matching id. It was very odd. ::shrug:: -Tharin O. --- DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Al, Have not found a change log yet. I've exploded all the zippers I have. No info/log files yet.. V10 is the plan, as soon as I find out just which Marvell chip is on the board. Could now be Alaska. Thought it was Yukon. Stupid codewords. Got to the Marvell site, but, as usual, it is not a clear path to what I'd like to know. I do not know the proper lingo and buzz/codewords. The search is fun anyway. Best, Duncan At 17:56 01/31/2008 -0500, you wrote: DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I now have drivers at V7, V8, V9, and V10. Am I correct to use the V10 drivers? Or, should I just use the default V6.27 that came with the m/b to start with? There should be a change log telling what each version corrected. I would just go with the newest driver... Best, Al
Re: [H] Save XP!
Thane Sherrington wrote: At 10:06 AM 05/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: You must have a hard time with normal conversations then...most people talk that way...when not making speeches No, Steve can be rather hard to listen to at times. And he is sometimes factually wrong and sometimes doesn't fix the errors. You're certainly entitled to your opinion..but I submit that Steve wouldn't have made like ~130 podcasts on SN if he were that hard to listen to. Might it be that the subject matter can sometimes be hard to explain in a manner that can be made understandable to a general audience? And I hear him making corrections or clarifications all the time.
Re: [H] Save XP!
At 10:38 AM 05/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Thane Sherrington wrote: At 10:06 AM 05/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: You must have a hard time with normal conversations then...most people talk that way...when not making speeches No, Steve can be rather hard to listen to at times. And he is sometimes factually wrong and sometimes doesn't fix the errors. You're certainly entitled to your opinion..but I submit that Steve wouldn't have made like ~130 podcasts on SN if he were that hard to listen to. Might it be that the subject matter can sometimes be hard to explain in a manner that can be made understandable to a general audience? And I hear him making corrections or clarifications all the time. I listen to his podcasts, but they aren't the best, and he could be a better speaker (he has also not corrected some critical errors even after emailed about them - there are several other podcasts that have talked about this.) Numbers aren't any guarantee of quality - heck, Uwe Boll has made something like 20 movies, hasn't he? :) Once one gets used to Steve's style, he is engaging, and the podcasts are a good starting point for a people who want to learn. T
Re: [H] Save XP!
Hello Thane, Tuesday, February 5, 2008, 9:14:38 AM, you wrote: At 10:38 AM 05/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Once one gets used to Steve's style, he is engaging, and the podcasts are a good starting point for a people who want to learn. Yes, people could listen to worse. e.g. We love Steve too O.K.? -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] Mystery applets?
Why, on 2/3 did you send a much nicer message, and then on 2/4 get nasty with me? DHSinclair wrote: Ben, I do appreciate your bold position. I even acknowledge that you have a greater grasp on this OS business. Perhaps I am not so paranoid, but rather I am very curious about what goes on with my machines. Yes, based on my very limited understanding of the OS I chose to use, except for many years of using its' parent in a commercial space. I do build my machines to do what I wish for them to do. If I am wrong, so be it. But, when I find stuff on a given machine that I believe I did not install or enable, I ask this List. This is an educational resource for me. Excuse me if I struck a nerve. Have a new item to question. Just noticed that the subject machine now has a new icon on the control panel - Wireless link. I have taken the machine apart and can not find any wireless gadget anywhere. Can I kill it? Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Save XP!
Thane Sherrington wrote: At 10:38 AM 05/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Thane Sherrington wrote: At 10:06 AM 05/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: You must have a hard time with normal conversations then...most people talk that way...when not making speeches No, Steve can be rather hard to listen to at times. And he is sometimes factually wrong and sometimes doesn't fix the errors. You're certainly entitled to your opinion..but I submit that Steve wouldn't have made like ~130 podcasts on SN if he were that hard to listen to. Might it be that the subject matter can sometimes be hard to explain in a manner that can be made understandable to a general audience? And I hear him making corrections or clarifications all the time. I listen to his podcasts, but they aren't the best, and he could be a better speaker (he has also not corrected some critical errors even after emailed about them - there are several other podcasts that have talked about this.) Numbers aren't any guarantee of quality - heck, Uwe Boll has made something like 20 movies, hasn't he? :) I don't know who Uwe Boll is! :) Once one gets used to Steve's style, he is engaging, and the podcasts are a good starting point for a people who want to learn. I don't think one can hope to learn any kind of detailed info from his podcast unless one is already very close to that field. Some extra study will be required. Still, I think his podcasts are very good overall. Certainly better than listening to a top 40 station on the way to work!
Re: [H] Ask to vendors?
OEM. DHSinclair wrote: Just rcvd 2 Intel Server Nics. They came in brown boxes w/lots of bar codes. Made in Malaysia. Like Malaysia; good life from here from my experience. Is this the new 'retail' packaging? Thanks, Duncan
Re: [H] Save XP!
At 12:40 PM 05/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I don't know who Uwe Boll is! :) You need to watch more crappy movies. :) Bloodrayne, for instance. But don't pay for it. :) I don't think one can hope to learn any kind of detailed info from his podcast unless one is already very close to that field. Some extra study will be required. Still, I think his podcasts are very good overall. Certainly better than listening to a top 40 station on the way to work! Amen. T
Re: [H] Mystery applets?
Ben, I suppose it took me 24hr of stewing on what you replied; rather than just saying, No, I do not know how you can remove those items. Truly, perhaps I can not remove them. Fine. I was simply asking if it is possible. At first (2/3) I gave up to your personal label for my PC behavior. 24hrs later I responded again. If you took it as nasty, I apologize. I did not intend to be nasty. On our List we do get to agree to disagree. This may be one of those times. I may be paranoid, but with the PCs I build with my money, I am an unapologetic control freak. Hope this helps. Best, Duncan At 11:35 02/05/2008 -0500, you wrote: Why, on 2/3 did you send a much nicer message, and then on 2/4 get nasty with me? DHSinclair wrote: Ben, I do appreciate your bold position. I even acknowledge that you have a greater grasp on this OS business. Perhaps I am not so paranoid, but rather I am very curious about what goes on with my machines. Yes, based on my very limited understanding of the OS I chose to use, except for many years of using its' parent in a commercial space. I do build my machines to do what I wish for them to do. If I am wrong, so be it. But, when I find stuff on a given machine that I believe I did not install or enable, I ask this List. This is an educational resource for me. Excuse me if I struck a nerve. Have a new item to question. Just noticed that the subject machine now has a new icon on the control panel - Wireless link. I have taken the machine apart and can not find any wireless gadget anywhere. Can I kill it? Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Ask to vendors?
Thanks Ben, That's 2 votes for OEM. And, I thought so too, but this is the first time I've seen the new OEM package. Will call Newegg shortly. Best, Duncan At 11:36 02/05/2008 -0500, you wrote: OEM. DHSinclair wrote: Just rcvd 2 Intel Server Nics. They came in brown boxes w/lots of bar codes. Made in Malaysia. Like Malaysia; good life from here from my experience. Is this the new 'retail' packaging? Thanks, Duncan
Re: [H] Save XP!
He tries to think and talk at the same time, and does updates mid-sentence Rick Glazier From: Al I find Steve very hard to listen to; stuttering, run on sentences, etc. if, if the machine is on and allow it to, to properly synchronize and, and, and receive Windows updates... Good thing for the transcripts. Al
Re: [H] Mystery applets?
LOL, my father is just entering his 60's and is forever asking me the same kind of questions. He's always worried about some event in the firewall log or the potential to have a virus that can't be detected, yet only uses his machine a few hours a month. In other words he frets over the details without understanding the big picture. Bottom line Duncan is you, like my father, need to start Googling for some of these answers because the questions are so far out. If you both did this I think fewer of these questions would surface because you'd develop solid base knowledge and get a feel for what's what. In other words if you are a paranoid control freak then you need to READ MORE not ask more questions of the rest of us because it sinks in better when you learn breadth of the material rather than asking pin-point questions in a vacuum. DHSinclair wrote: Ben, I suppose it took me 24hr of stewing on what you replied; rather than just saying, No, I do not know how you can remove those items. Truly, perhaps I can not remove them. Fine. I was simply asking if it is possible. At first (2/3) I gave up to your personal label for my PC behavior. 24hrs later I responded again. If you took it as nasty, I apologize. I did not intend to be nasty. On our List we do get to agree to disagree. This may be one of those times. I may be paranoid, but with the PCs I build with my money, I am an unapologetic control freak. Hope this helps. Best, Duncan At 11:35 02/05/2008 -0500, you wrote: Why, on 2/3 did you send a much nicer message, and then on 2/4 get nasty with me? DHSinclair wrote: Ben, I do appreciate your bold position. I even acknowledge that you have a greater grasp on this OS business. Perhaps I am not so paranoid, but rather I am very curious about what goes on with my machines. Yes, based on my very limited understanding of the OS I chose to use, except for many years of using its' parent in a commercial space. I do build my machines to do what I wish for them to do. If I am wrong, so be it. But, when I find stuff on a given machine that I believe I did not install or enable, I ask this List. This is an educational resource for me. Excuse me if I struck a nerve. Have a new item to question. Just noticed that the subject machine now has a new icon on the control panel - Wireless link. I have taken the machine apart and can not find any wireless gadget anywhere. Can I kill it? Best, Duncan Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [H] Save XP!
LOL Uwe's so bad his either infamous for being bad or totally unknown! Steve has always been controversial and like some of the geekier geeks a bit hard to listen to without good filters on the listeners. I dig SN even if there is not total accuracy I think they manage to explain some tough topics in a way that enables smart people to get it. Like reading Wiki's, one can fill in the blanks or correct the errors after you consume the data. ;) Thane Sherrington wrote: At 12:40 PM 05/02/2008, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I don't know who Uwe Boll is! :) You need to watch more crappy movies. :) Bloodrayne, for instance. But don't pay for it. :) I don't think one can hope to learn any kind of detailed info from his podcast unless one is already very close to that field. Some extra study will be required. Still, I think his podcasts are very good overall. Certainly better than listening to a top 40 station on the way to work! Amen. T Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [H] Marvell network stuff
Tharin O., OK. The last Marvell driver I could find on the Asus site, (which works very badly here), was a v6.28. One level higher than the CD that came with the m/b. No matter, did my research. So far, I am fairly impressed with the Marvell nic chip. It does work and have seen no events in the event log. The Marvell site was down the night I went to look. It turns out that Alaska is the 'new' nic chip Marvell makes. I do know that I do have Yukon (88E8001-LKJ) chips. With the Marvell site down, I surfed and found drivers from v7-v10. This chip has either had lots of bugs, or lots of updates. Hmm. Whatever. Stuff happens. Next day, I was able to get to the Marvell site and got the latest drivers and utilities for the Yukon chip. The driver I loaded was v10.51.3.3. It is running hot, straight, normal ATM. All good here. And, the utilitites even work also. So far, so good. Expect the Intel GBit nics to arrive in the next hour or so. By midnight my LAN will be running GBit (except for the server). Newegg goofed up the server nic order :) I ran into the device ID/Vendor ID problem once many years ago. I was never able to get the device installed. I finally binned the device and bought another (more expensive) device to replace it. If a device passes bios and then will not answer it's driver dot-inf file, I toss it and get a replacement. I do not know how to re-write (edit) the dot-inf file. Why should I? Thank you for your share. So far, so good with the two on-board G-Bit nics. Best, Duncan At 06:39 02/05/2008 -0800, you wrote: I've used the Marvell Yukon gigabit controllers before. I had them on some boards from Gigabyte a couple of years ago. I'd just whichever one Asus has on their site. I have not heard of Alaska. Once I had one onboard a motherboard was whose Device ID did not match the device ids in the drivers (*.inf). I had to force install the driver and it worked fine after that. I think somehow the device id changed because this was a production system at a local Copy Center that suddenly went offline. I quickly saw that it's ethernet controller had become an unknown/other device in the Windows Device Manager. After checking the vendor and device id of the ethernet controller I found that the vendor code matched but the device id didn't. Neither the drivers from the motherboard manufacturer nor Marvell's reference driver had a matching id. It was very odd. ::shrug:: -Tharin O. --- DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Al, Have not found a change log yet. I've exploded all the zippers I have. No info/log files yet.. V10 is the plan, as soon as I find out just which Marvell chip is on the board. Could now be Alaska. Thought it was Yukon. Stupid codewords. Got to the Marvell site, but, as usual, it is not a clear path to what I'd like to know. I do not know the proper lingo and buzz/codewords. The search is fun anyway. Best, Duncan At 17:56 01/31/2008 -0500, you wrote: DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I now have drivers at V7, V8, V9, and V10. Am I correct to use the V10 drivers? Or, should I just use the default V6.27 that came with the m/b to start with? There should be a change log telling what each version corrected. I would just go with the newest driver... Best, Al
Re: [H] Mystery applets?
Good shot. Ouch! but more inline... At 12:20 02/05/2008 -0800, you wrote: LOL, my father is just entering his 60's and is forever asking me the same kind of questions. He's always worried about some event in the firewall log or the potential to have a virus that can't be detected, yet only uses his machine a few hours a month. In other words he frets over the details without understanding the big picture. ROTFLMAO From your pedestal, would you care to share your view of the big picture? Do you have that 5-figure career yet? My 'big picture' is nobody gets out of this game alive. Bottom line Duncan is you, like my father, need to start Googling for some of these answers because the questions are so far out. If you both did this I think fewer of these questions would surface because you'd develop solid base knowledge and get a feel for what's what. Son, I understand you are irritated with your Father. One day you will be there also. I do google my petty little troubles before I come to this List. Yes, I may not be properly using google, my queries may be incorrect, and, I may not have all the lingo down yet. The lingo seems to change yearly. I did not realize that membership in this List now had a requirement of some sort of advanced degree in CS. In other words if you are a paranoid control freak then you need to READ MORE not ask more questions of the rest of us because it sinks in better when you learn breadth of the material rather than asking pin-point questions in a vacuum. Fine. I understand this. Thank you for your past shares with me. I do understand that you and I do not share LAN setup standards and/or the proper use of servers... :) I will get over it Best, Duncan DHSinclair wrote: Ben, I suppose it took me 24hr of stewing on what you replied; rather than just saying, No, I do not know how you can remove those items. Truly, perhaps I can not remove them. Fine. I was simply asking if it is possible. At first (2/3) I gave up to your personal label for my PC behavior. 24hrs later I responded again. If you took it as nasty, I apologize. I did not intend to be nasty. On our List we do get to agree to disagree. This may be one of those times. I may be paranoid, but with the PCs I build with my money, I am an unapologetic control freak. Hope this helps. Best, Duncan At 11:35 02/05/2008 -0500, you wrote: Why, on 2/3 did you send a much nicer message, and then on 2/4 get nasty with me? DHSinclair wrote: Ben, I do appreciate your bold position. I even acknowledge that you have a greater grasp on this OS business. Perhaps I am not so paranoid, but rather I am very curious about what goes on with my machines. Yes, based on my very limited understanding of the OS I chose to use, except for many years of using its' parent in a commercial space. I do build my machines to do what I wish for them to do. If I am wrong, so be it. But, when I find stuff on a given machine that I believe I did not install or enable, I ask this List. This is an educational resource for me. Excuse me if I struck a nerve. Have a new item to question. Just noticed that the subject machine now has a new icon on the control panel - Wireless link. I have taken the machine apart and can not find any wireless gadget anywhere. Can I kill it? Best, Duncan Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [H] Mystery applets?
At 05:38 PM 05/02/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Son, I understand you are irritated with your Father. One day you will be there also. I do google my petty little troubles before I come to this List. Yes, I may not be properly using google, my queries may be incorrect, and, I may not have all the lingo down yet. The lingo seems to change yearly. I did not realize that membership in this List now had a requirement of some sort of advanced degree in CS. It doesn't. Feel free to ask whatever questions you want. I do. If people don't want to answer, they don't have to. T
Re: [H] Mystery applets?
Thane, Thank you. I sorta flamed believing YOUR reply was still true. I can deal with zero response. I get it a lot actually, over the years. So, I suppose I may be playing where I should not be.. :) Just curious. (And, I've lived with lots of cats! Only put two down. Painful each time.) Nature of the beast. LOL! Are you warm and dry up there? Best, Duncan At 17:49 02/05/2008 -0400, you wrote: At 05:38 PM 05/02/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Son, I understand you are irritated with your Father. One day you will be there also. I do google my petty little troubles before I come to this List. Yes, I may not be properly using google, my queries may be incorrect, and, I may not have all the lingo down yet. The lingo seems to change yearly. I did not realize that membership in this List now had a requirement of some sort of advanced degree in CS. It doesn't. Feel free to ask whatever questions you want. I do. If people don't want to answer, they don't have to. T
Re: [H] Mystery applets?
Nor is that I what I said, geez I hate text vs. voice! That was not meant to be an attack or insult, just advice that I thought was needed. My irritation with my father have more to do with once a question is asked answered you don't expect to answer the same thing again because you assume the asker will look deeper into the material learn given the initial interest. No matter I still answer them add RTFM for breadth. He's a smart guy but has one of those afraid to break it type personalities even though he cobbled together hardware to run Commie BBS back in the 80's when it was cutting edge to do so. No, I won't be there one day because I grew up with technology and am not afraid of it nor of having to learn on my own. Of course other parts of me may fail... ;) Yes, we've always answered each others question big or small and that won't change. Just was trying to convey my feeling that maybe he needs to look into other resources like some of the books I've suggested in the past rather than a few direct questions answered to understand the overall material. Ok, back to good vibes all around please! Thane Sherrington wrote: At 05:38 PM 05/02/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Son, I understand you are irritated with your Father. One day you will be there also. I do google my petty little troubles before I come to this List. Yes, I may not be properly using google, my queries may be incorrect, and, I may not have all the lingo down yet. The lingo seems to change yearly. I did not realize that membership in this List now had a requirement of some sort of advanced degree in CS. It doesn't. Feel free to ask whatever questions you want. I do. If people don't want to answer, they don't have to. T Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [H] Mystery applets?
At 06:57 PM 05/02/2008, DHSinclair wrote: Thane, Thank you. I sorta flamed believing YOUR reply was still true. I can deal with zero response. I get it a lot actually, over the years. So, I suppose I may be playing where I should not be.. :) Just curious. (And, I've lived with lots of cats! Only put two down. Painful each time.) Nature of the beast. LOL! Are you warm and dry up there? Heh. It has been pretty warm so far (only a few days below -15C) but it's snowing again, so my hopes for no more snow this year are dashed. T
Re: [H] Mystery applets?
Hello DHSinclair, Tuesday, February 5, 2008, 4:57:16 PM, you wrote: Thane, Thank you. I sorta flamed believing YOUR reply was still true. I can deal with zero response. I get it a lot actually, over the years. So, I suppose I may be playing where I should not be.. :) Glad were all getting along we don't want our little list to turn out like this mess: http://groups.msn.com/WindowsVistaBeta LOL, that poor guy walked into a real shark pool. May I assure you that this list is not as restrictive, prohibitive or backstabbing unlike other newsgroups or such as that of the Windows XP list PMSL. Let's NOT be like that list. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] Mystery applets?
At 08:21 PM 05/02/2008, Joe User wrote: LOL, that poor guy walked into a real shark pool. May I assure you that this list is not as restrictive, prohibitive or backstabbing unlike other newsgroups or such as that of the Windows XP list PMSL. Let's NOT be like that list. Heh heh. I just joined that list, and it has its fair share of idiots and jerks, to be sure. T
Re: [H] Vista SP1 and Windows Server 2008 RTM'd today.
Yeah, after I sent it, I saw that it looks like it won't be available on MSDN and such until March and maybe April before it's on Window's Update. I'm not sure though because I have read different things in different places. Bobby -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JRS Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 11:38 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Vista SP1 and Windows Server 2008 RTM'd today. Yeah, but read somewhere that Vista SP1 won't be on Windows Download until late Feb or March for us peons... :) I am currently downloading Server 2008 from MSDN subscriber downloads. Waiting on Vista SP1 to show up there. Supposed to be on TechNet also. Bobby -- JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please remove **X** to reply... ...Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult...
Re: [H] Mystery applets?
oH, I seriously hope not. Just asking questions :) Thanks JoeUser. Best, Duncan At 18:21 02/05/2008 -0600, you wrote: Hello DHSinclair, Tuesday, February 5, 2008, 4:57:16 PM, you wrote: Thane, Thank you. I sorta flamed believing YOUR reply was still true. I can deal with zero response. I get it a lot actually, over the years. So, I suppose I may be playing where I should not be.. :) Glad were all getting along we don't want our little list to turn out like this mess: http://groups.msn.com/WindowsVistaBeta LOL, that poor guy walked into a real shark pool. May I assure you that this list is not as restrictive, prohibitive or backstabbing unlike other newsgroups or such as that of the Windows XP list PMSL. Let's NOT be like that list. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] Mystery applets?
JMcCraw, Believe we may be on an even keel now that both of us have vented our spleens. Hope so. Time will tell. Read your answer. Understand. Not quite sure why the response is exponential. I'll deal with that. Firewall is my router (NAT w/SPI). Beyond that is ESET. So far, no hits that I am aware of. All your shares have fixed glitches here. Most of them, so far, have been pilot-error on my part. Yes, I will READ more just as soon as my local librarian can find to tomes. Best, Duncan At 15:08 02/05/2008 -0800, you wrote: No pedestal here sir! snip
