Re: [H] Facebook

2008-09-23 Thread Gary VanderMolen

I don't know how accurate it is, but I was using the IP Locator
at  http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation

Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

--
From: maccrawj [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Really? What lookup did you use, I get:

Name: pool-71-161-12-166.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net
IP Address: 71.161.12.166
Location: Seattle (47.611N, 122.333W)
Network: VIS-BLOCK



Gary VanderMolen wrote:
Actually, your IP traces to Post Falls, ID. 




[H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Bill
In all my years lurking around HWG, I don't recall ever seeing the volume of
messages generated today by the list. 60!!! If that record was ever bested, I
sure can't recall when..

And just when I thought things were dying off, it springs to life!! Excellent!

By the way if we're taking a show of hands, no Facebook, please. I'm sure I'm
old and in the way, but just don't trust them social networking sites...

Bill





Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Naushad Zulfiqar
It's good when the list is burbling with life!

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In all my years lurking around HWG, I don't recall ever seeing the volume
 of
 messages generated today by the list. 60!!! If that record was ever bested,
 I
 sure can't recall when..

 And just when I thought things were dying off, it springs to life!!
 Excellent!

 By the way if we're taking a show of hands, no Facebook, please. I'm sure
 I'm
 old and in the way, but just don't trust them social networking sites...

 Bill






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Zulfiqar Naushad


Re: [H] Facebook

2008-09-23 Thread Rick Glazier

I was once listed as 300+ miles away... (You win.)

 Rick Glazier

From: maccrawj 
Well far from perfect since it's a national ISP. Verizon lists mine as Seattle which 
is 500mi+ away...




Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Ben Ruset
Even if it's just greyhairs busy wrapping themselves with tinfoil or 
being generally cranky. :)


*ducks and runs*

Naushad Zulfiqar wrote:

It's good when the list is burbling with life!

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


In all my years lurking around HWG, I don't recall ever seeing the volume
of
messages generated today by the list. 60!!! If that record was ever bested,
I
sure can't recall when..

And just when I thought things were dying off, it springs to life!!
Excellent!

By the way if we're taking a show of hands, no Facebook, please. I'm sure
I'm
old and in the way, but just don't trust them social networking sites...

Bill









Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Joe User
Hello Bill,

Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:49:47 AM, you wrote:

 By the way if we're taking a show of hands, no Facebook, please. I'm sure I'm
 old and in the way, but just don't trust them social networking sites...

Just going to dilute what we have going here... don't kill the email
side of this with some here today - gone tomorrow - flash in the pan.
Don't get me wrong, it's not like I use Archie and Gopher but email
does not need to be upgraded. However, there should be a fall back
point if Edwards gets run over by a tricycle and the list goes down.

-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...



Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Rick Glazier

I will not bother...  (But adding to the overall count and responding to the 
un-official poll...)

Rick Glazier
From: Bill 

By the way if we're taking a show of hands, no Facebook, please. I'm sure I'm
old and in the way, but just don't trust them social networking sites...




Re: [H] Facebook

2008-09-23 Thread Joe User
Hello Gary,

Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 12:41:02 AM, you wrote:

 I don't know how accurate it is, but I was using the IP Locator
 at  http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation

 Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

This located my ISP's main office which is roughly 150 miles away.

-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...



Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Naushad Zulfiqar
LOL @ the tricycle comment.

Since Edwards is the owner why doesn't he chime in?

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Bill,

 Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:49:47 AM, you wrote:

  By the way if we're taking a show of hands, no Facebook, please. I'm sure
 I'm
  old and in the way, but just don't trust them social networking sites...

 Just going to dilute what we have going here... don't kill the email
 side of this with some here today - gone tomorrow - flash in the pan.
 Don't get me wrong, it's not like I use Archie and Gopher but email
 does not need to be upgraded. However, there should be a fall back
 point if Edwards gets run over by a tricycle and the list goes down.

 --
 Regards,
  joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...




-- 
Best Regards,


Zulfiqar Naushad


Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Rick Glazier

Maybe he is busy?

  Rick Glazier

From: Naushad Zulfiqar 

Since Edwards is the owner why doesn't he chime in?




Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Mesdaq, Ali
Maybe I am imagining things but I think I remember back in the 1999-2001 days 
when getting 100 was not totally out of the ordinary. The list was even 
advertised as high volume. But its possible I am getting this list mixed up 
with another one.

Thanks,
--
Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM)
Sr. Security Researcher
Websense Security Labs
http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com
--


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:50 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] It's A Record!!!

In all my years lurking around HWG, I don't recall ever seeing the volume of
messages generated today by the list. 60!!! If that record was ever bested, I
sure can't recall when..

And just when I thought things were dying off, it springs to life!! Excellent!

By the way if we're taking a show of hands, no Facebook, please. I'm sure I'm
old and in the way, but just don't trust them social networking sites...

Bill








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Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Ben Ruset
No -- the list used to be advertised as high volume. I think that's when 
Sabre was hosting it.


Mesdaq, Ali wrote:

Maybe I am imagining things but I think I remember back in the
1999-2001 days when getting 100 was not totally out of the ordinary.
The list was even advertised as high volume. But its possible I am
getting this list mixed up with another one.

Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP,
GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs 
http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com 
--


Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Jason.Tozer
Yes, I remember back when we were all overclocking our Celeron 300A's on our 
BX6's and BH6's that the list was super-active.

Jason Tozer

  -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On Behalf Of 
 Mesdaq, Ali
 Sent: 23 September 2008 16:12
 To:   hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject:  Re: [H] It's A Record!!!
 
 Maybe I am imagining things but I think I remember back in the 1999-2001 days 
 when getting 100 was not totally out of the ordinary. The list was even 
 advertised as high volume. But its possible I am getting this list mixed up 
 with another one.
 
 Thanks,
 --
 Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM)
 Sr. Security Researcher
 Websense Security Labs
 http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com
 --
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:50 AM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: [H] It's A Record!!!
 
 In all my years lurking around HWG, I don't recall ever seeing the volume of
 messages generated today by the list. 60!!! If that record was ever bested, I
 sure can't recall when..
 
 And just when I thought things were dying off, it springs to life!! Excellent!
 
 By the way if we're taking a show of hands, no Facebook, please. I'm sure I'm
 old and in the way, but just don't trust them social networking sites...
 
 Bill
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread DHSinclair

Good one, Ben! still LMAO.
Duncan
At 08:42 09/23/2008 -0400, you wrote:
Even if it's just greyhairs busy wrapping themselves with tinfoil or being 
generally cranky. :)


*ducks and runs*

Naushad Zulfiqar wrote:

It's good when the list is burbling with life!
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


In all my years lurking around HWG, I don't recall ever seeing the volume
of
messages generated today by the list. 60!!! If that record was ever bested,
I
sure can't recall when..

And just when I thought things were dying off, it springs to life!!
Excellent!

By the way if we're taking a show of hands, no Facebook, please. I'm sure
I'm
old and in the way, but just don't trust them social networking sites...

Bill







Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Naushad Zulfiqar
Damn,

That brings back old memories!!!

 Cellys on a BX6!!!

What was the name of the Dual socket board?  I had one of those too!!  i
remember running linux (mandrake) for the first time and seeing dual procs
was something of a biblical revelation for me!!!



On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, I remember back when we were all overclocking our Celeron 300A's on
 our BX6's and BH6's that the list was super-active.

 Jason Tozer

   -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  On Behalf Of Mesdaq, Ali
  Sent: 23 September 2008 16:12
  To:   hardware@hardwaregroup.com
  Subject:  Re: [H] It's A Record!!!
 
  Maybe I am imagining things but I think I remember back in the 1999-2001
 days when getting 100 was not totally out of the ordinary. The list was even
 advertised as high volume. But its possible I am getting this list mixed up
 with another one.
 
  Thanks,
  --
  Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM)
  Sr. Security Researcher
  Websense Security Labs
  http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com
  --
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill
  Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:50 AM
  To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
  Subject: [H] It's A Record!!!
 
  In all my years lurking around HWG, I don't recall ever seeing the volume
 of
  messages generated today by the list. 60!!! If that record was ever
 bested, I
  sure can't recall when..
 
  And just when I thought things were dying off, it springs to life!!
 Excellent!
 
  By the way if we're taking a show of hands, no Facebook, please. I'm sure
 I'm
  old and in the way, but just don't trust them social networking sites...
 
  Bill
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Jason.Tozer
BP6?

Jason Tozer

  -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On Behalf Of 
 Naushad Zulfiqar
 Sent: 23 September 2008 16:57
 To:   hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject:  Re: [H] It's A Record!!!
 
 Damn,
 
 That brings back old memories!!!
 
  Cellys on a BX6!!!
 
 What was the name of the Dual socket board?  I had one of those too!!  i
 remember running linux (mandrake) for the first time and seeing dual procs
 was something of a biblical revelation for me!!!
 
 
 
 On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Yes, I remember back when we were all overclocking our Celeron 300A's on
  our BX6's and BH6's that the list was super-active.
 
  Jason Tozer
 
-Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  On Behalf Of Mesdaq, Ali
   Sent: 23 September 2008 16:12
   To:   hardware@hardwaregroup.com
   Subject:  Re: [H] It's A Record!!!
  
   Maybe I am imagining things but I think I remember back in the 1999-2001
  days when getting 100 was not totally out of the ordinary. The list was even
  advertised as high volume. But its possible I am getting this list mixed up
  with another one.
  
   Thanks,
   --
   Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM)
   Sr. Security Researcher
   Websense Security Labs
   http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com
   --
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill
   Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:50 AM
   To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
   Subject: [H] It's A Record!!!
  
   In all my years lurking around HWG, I don't recall ever seeing the volume
  of
   messages generated today by the list. 60!!! If that record was ever
  bested, I
   sure can't recall when..
  
   And just when I thought things were dying off, it springs to life!!
  Excellent!
  
   By the way if we're taking a show of hands, no Facebook, please. I'm sure
  I'm
   old and in the way, but just don't trust them social networking sites...
  
   Bill
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
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 Best Regards,
 
 
 Zulfiqar Naushad
 
 
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Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Ben Ruset

I miss my Abit IT5H.

Naushad Zulfiqar wrote:

Damn,

That brings back old memories!!!

 Cellys on a BX6!!!

What was the name of the Dual socket board?  I had one of those too!!  i
remember running linux (mandrake) for the first time and seeing dual procs
was something of a biblical revelation for me!!!


Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Mesdaq, Ali
Ahh those were the good ol days when Sabre had ftp accounts for us that were 
serving files SUPER fast. Those were the days of case modd pioneering.

Thanks,
--
Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM)
Sr. Security Researcher
Websense Security Labs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:17 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

No -- the list used to be advertised as high volume. I think that's when
Sabre was hosting it.

Mesdaq, Ali wrote:
 Maybe I am imagining things but I think I remember back in the
 1999-2001 days when getting 100 was not totally out of the ordinary.
 The list was even advertised as high volume. But its possible I am
 getting this list mixed up with another one.

 Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP,
 GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs
 http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com
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Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Naushad Zulfiqar
Yeah, that's the one!!!

Damn man, brings a tear to my eyes!

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 BP6?

 Jason Tozer



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Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread James Boswell

I've got one of those sat around here somewhere.

kicking it retro style!

On 23 Sep 2008, at 17:05, Ben Ruset wrote:


I miss my Abit IT5H.

Naushad Zulfiqar wrote:

Damn,
That brings back old memories!!!
Cellys on a BX6!!!
What was the name of the Dual socket board?  I had one of those  
too!!  i
remember running linux (mandrake) for the first time and seeing  
dual procs

was something of a biblical revelation for me!!!




[H] 64 bit Vista Questions

2008-09-23 Thread Winterlight

For Greg, and others actually running VISTA 64;

I am going to install 64 bit VISTA on a system with 8GB of RAM. I am 
going to go with a new Video card =


SAPPHIRE 100243-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 
x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail


I am figuring the 1GB isn't a problem because 64 bit addressing will 
not reduce available system RAM the way it would in a 32 bit 
system??  But is there anything else I should think about for a video 
card with 1GB of RAM?


Also anybody care to speculate if Talkworks PRO will run on 64 bit Vista?
Will an older external serial modem work OK on Vista 64?

Do most other modern 32 bit apps run on Vista64 or is this a constant 
problem of getting software and hardware working?




Re: [H] 64 bit Vista Questions

2008-09-23 Thread Jason.Tozer
You will be fine, pretty sure your BIOS will allow upto 2^64 bits of
address space to work with (2048 PetaBytes), so it has PLENTY of room to
squeeze that 1GB of VRAM in ;)

There are no other considerations when talking about videa card RAM
sizes that I am aware of.

The vast majority of 32 bit apps work on Vista 64. I have yet to find
anything that doesn't other then stuff that comes with - or ties itself
closely - to device drivers. I have no idea about TalkWorks as it's not
something I have ever used.

All 16 bit support is severed in Vista x64 though, which means some VERY
old 32bit apps have issues installing due to 16 bit installers hanging
around for a while.

Jason Tozer


  -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On Behalf Of Winterlight
 Sent: 23 September 2008 17:22
 To:   hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject:  [H] 64 bit Vista Questions
 
 For Greg, and others actually running VISTA 64;
 
 I am going to install 64 bit VISTA on a system with 8GB of RAM. I am 
 going to go with a new Video card =
 
 SAPPHIRE 100243-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 
 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
 
 I am figuring the 1GB isn't a problem because 64 bit addressing will 
 not reduce available system RAM the way it would in a 32 bit 
 system??  But is there anything else I should think about for a video 
 card with 1GB of RAM?
 
 Also anybody care to speculate if Talkworks PRO will run on 64 bit
 Vista?
 Will an older external serial modem work OK on Vista 64?
 
 Do most other modern 32 bit apps run on Vista64 or is this a constant 
 problem of getting software and hardware working?
 
 
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Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Christopher Fisk

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, Joe User wrote:


does not need to be upgraded. However, there should be a fall back
point if Edwards gets run over by a tricycle and the list goes down.


Shit, who clued you in on my plan?


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Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Thane Sherrington
I'd rather not use Facebook, but if it's going to happen, I'll 
probably set up a fake email account and check it occasionally.


T

At 11:10 AM 23/09/2008, Rick Glazier wrote:
I will not bother...  (But adding to the overall count and 
responding to the un-official poll...)


Rick Glazier
From: Bill

By the way if we're taking a show of hands, no Facebook, please. I'm sure I'm
old and in the way, but just don't trust them social networking sites...





[H] Gigabitifying my network

2008-09-23 Thread Naushad Zulfiqar
Sorry for the lame subject title, but.


I have a WRT54GL linksys router connected to an ADSL modem.  Right now all
the 4 ports are occupied by various devices.  The primary ones being my
fileserver and my main machine.

Since the switch on the WRT is 10/100 only, I've been feeling the pain when
transferring large files.  Both my fileserver and my main computer have Gbit
NICS on them and I would like to take advantage of them.

I've looked around (NEWEGG) and have seen that 4-5 port switches cost around
the 50 dollar range.  That's perfect and I can spare that kind of cash.

That being said, what is the best way to integrate the switch into my
current setup?  Would it be:


MODEM  Router(Port1) - Gbit Switch
-- Devices?


Would another method be more faster and/or elegant?

I love my router and don't want to change it for a gigabit model, but if the
collective says so, I will have to consider strongly.



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Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Naushad Zulfiqar
Check out www.hushmail.com



On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Thane Sherrington 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'd rather not use Facebook, but if it's going to happen, I'll probably set
 up a fake email account and check it occasionally.

 T


 At 11:10 AM 23/09/2008, Rick Glazier wrote:

 I will not bother...  (But adding to the overall count and responding to
 the un-official poll...)

Rick Glazier
 From: Bill

 By the way if we're taking a show of hands, no Facebook, please. I'm sure
 I'm
 old and in the way, but just don't trust them social networking sites...






-- 
Best Regards,


Zulfiqar Naushad


Re: [H] 64 bit Vista Questions

2008-09-23 Thread Christopher Fisk

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, Winterlight wrote:


For Greg, and others actually running VISTA 64;

I am going to install 64 bit VISTA on a system with 8GB of RAM. I am 
going to go with a new Video card =


SAPPHIRE 100243-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 
x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail


I am figuring the 1GB isn't a problem because 64 bit addressing will 
not reduce available system RAM the way it would in a 32 bit system?? 
But is there anything else I should think about for a video card with 
1GB of RAM?


You're right about the memory addressing.  Not sure if there are any 
cadveats about the memory on the video card other than it's probably 
overkill, but that's not an issue here =)



Also anybody care to speculate if Talkworks PRO will run on 64 bit 
Vista?  Will an older external serial modem work OK on Vista 64?


I've not run into any problems running software on 64 bit vista EXCEPT for 
Binary News Reaper 2.  Admittedly I don't use Talkworks, so I'd definately 
ask google that question.  Binary News Reaper 3 works fine with 64 bit 
though.



Do most other modern 32 bit apps run on Vista64 or is this a constant 
problem of getting software and hardware working?


Hasn't been a real problem for me.  32 bit programs haven't really given 
me a problem.  They install into the 32 bit Program Files Folder and run 
fine from what I can tell.


The Biggest issue I've encountered is finding 64 bit drivers for older 
hardware.  (For instance I had an Athlon 64 in an old linux machine that I 
upgraded the hardware on.  I tried installing 64 bit Windows XP and there 
were no 64 bit drivers for the nvidia ethernet. (NForce 3 vintage).  I 
bought a realtek chipset ethernet card and works fine.



Christopher Fisk
--
The explorationists are willing to only move equipment during the winter,
which means they'll be on ice roads, and remove the equipment as the ice
begins to melt, so that the fragile tundra is protected.
George W. Bush, May 18, 2001

From a speech made in Conestoga, Pennsylvania.


--
This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.



Re: [H] Gigabitifying my network

2008-09-23 Thread James Boswell

That method seems fine

I have a similar setup going on here

Netgear DM111P  wan port on a WRT54GS running tomato  port on the  
WRT hooked up to a port on a Buffalo 8 port gigabit switch


occasionally I'll hang 100mbps devices off the WRT, that's more an  
issue of cable management than anything else.


Traffic between local nodes will just bound around the gigabit  
switches ports and never get anywhere near the router, so it's as  
performant as it gets.


On 23 Sep 2008, at 17:53, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote:


Sorry for the lame subject title, but.


I have a WRT54GL linksys router connected to an ADSL modem.  Right  
now all
the 4 ports are occupied by various devices.  The primary ones being  
my

fileserver and my main machine.

Since the switch on the WRT is 10/100 only, I've been feeling the  
pain when
transferring large files.  Both my fileserver and my main computer  
have Gbit

NICS on them and I would like to take advantage of them.

I've looked around (NEWEGG) and have seen that 4-5 port switches  
cost around
the 50 dollar range.  That's perfect and I can spare that kind of  
cash.


That being said, what is the best way to integrate the switch into  
my

current setup?  Would it be:


MODEM  Router(Port1) - Gbit Switch
-- Devices?


Would another method be more faster and/or elegant?

I love my router and don't want to change it for a gigabit model,  
but if the

collective says so, I will have to consider strongly.



--
Best Regards,


Zulfiqar Naushad




Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Robert Martin Jr.
Back in the early days I remember getting 200+ per day

--- On Tue, 9/23/08, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [H] It's A Record!!!
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 1:49 AM

In all my years lurking around HWG, I don't recall ever seeing the volume of
messages generated today by the list. 60!!! If that record was ever bested, I
sure can't recall when..

And just when I thought things were dying off, it springs to life!! Excellent!

By the way if we're taking a show of hands, no Facebook, please. I'm
sure I'm
old and in the way, but just don't trust them social networking sites...

Bill





Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Bill


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:42 AM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] It's A Record!!!
 
 Even if it's just greyhairs busy wrapping themselves with tinfoil or
 being generally cranky. :)

That would be me!! I'd raise my hand but I'd probably hurt my shoulder

LOL!!



Re: [H] 64 bit Vista Questions

2008-09-23 Thread Winterlight


You're right about the memory addressing.  Not sure if there are any 
cadveats about the memory on the video card other than it's probably 
overkill, but that's not an issue here =)


Yeah, but it is only 40 bucks more and it might help with video 
editing. Of course if I end up in 32 bit something it will be a liability.  



Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread DHSinclair

Thanks Bill,
I just knew I was not alone.
Duncan

At 11:12 09/23/2008 -0700, you wrote:



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:42 AM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

 Even if it's just greyhairs busy wrapping themselves with tinfoil or
 being generally cranky. :)

That would be me!! I'd raise my hand but I'd probably hurt my shoulder

LOL!!




[H] OT: IP to location lookup was Re: Facebook

2008-09-23 Thread maccrawj
Cool link, thanks! It's at least 50-60mi, means my DSL must pass through Postfalls, 
ID then route back to Seattle, WA. Neotrace (really old 2001 version) did not give me 
that unlike when I looked up D's IP.


Big city 45mi away is QWest telco but we're Verizon, I imagine that's coming from our 
proximity to the NW Idaho border. Even with same area code as qwest customers we have 
to pay long distance since it's a inter-carrier call. Unlike all of NJ/NYC/etc... 
being Verizon. I'd rather have Qwest  be on same network as the rest of the area, or 
at least have a FiOS option since the local Verizon CO is just 5 blocks away. We so 
far up Verizon's ass here it's not funny, my ATT cell phone has to talk 25mi to a 
tower in Idaho while a VZW tower sits 6 blocks away at the local HS!


So weird after living most of my life in NJ where every town is surrounded  bordered 
by neighbor towns with population everywhere. Up here it's more spread out thin 
population in spoke  hub fashion with the spokes far from the hubs and hubs 
sometimes not where they make sense!



Gary VanderMolen wrote:

I don't know how accurate it is, but I was using the IP Locator
at  http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation

Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

--
From: maccrawj [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Really? What lookup did you use, I get:

Name: pool-71-161-12-166.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net
IP Address: 71.161.12.166
Location: Seattle (47.611N, 122.333W)
Network: VIS-BLOCK



Gary VanderMolen wrote:
Actually, your IP traces to Post Falls, ID. 





Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Jeff Lane
I can remember that, to, when I first joined. It took forever, it seemed, to 
download all my email because I belonged to another active group at the 
time. Now it's a big day if I get 200-250 from all sources!

Sorry, Zul, have to vote no on the Facebook issue. Good try, though. It's 
great to see that there are so many of the good guys still here.

Jeff


Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [H] It's A Record!!!


Back in the early days I remember getting 200+ per day

Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 1:49 AM

In all my years lurking around HWG, I don't recall ever seeing the volume of
messages generated today by the list. 60!!! If that record was ever bested, 
I
sure can't recall when..

And just when I thought things were dying off, it springs to life!! 
Excellent!

By the way if we're taking a show of hands, no Facebook, please. I'm
sure I'm
old and in the way, but just don't trust them social networking sites...

Bill






Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread DHSinclair

Yes, and I still recall many of those grey hairs! LOL!
You and I have had our tiffs, but I'm glad we are still here.
I am amazed that you stay in this business. To me, the tech has
just gotten too much to follow anymore. The List is my resource.
Duncan

At 16:03 09/23/2008 -0300, you wrote:

I've gotten grey hairs while being on this list (but not from the list.) :)

T

At 03:46 PM 23/09/2008, DHSinclair wrote:

Thanks Bill,
I just knew I was not alone.
Duncan

At 11:12 09/23/2008 -0700, you wrote:



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:42 AM
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

 Even if it's just greyhairs busy wrapping themselves with tinfoil or
 being generally cranky. :)

That would be me!! I'd raise my hand but I'd probably hurt my shoulder

LOL!!






Re: [H] HD PC recording

2008-09-23 Thread maccrawj
You don't want the data off a Comcast DVR, it's so compressed that it bands like 
16bit graphics and even subtitle data is lost. This was on a Minneapolis, MN market 
SA DVR.


When CC gets around to enabling SA's SARA OS' DRM features it will disallow/degrade 
recorded playback  or even tuner output via component or whatever else they choose. 
As long as they're in control of the STB you'll never get what you pay for!



James Maki wrote:

At this time I believe this is the only way to get HD content off of a cable
company STB. I know Comcast doesn't care that their PVR only holds about 20
hours of HD content and doesn't give you any way to save it to an external
drive.

Not an ideal or perfect solution, but one that allows some additional
flexibility with HDTV.

Just wish they weren't quite so expensive!

Jim





Re: [H] Gigabitifying my network

2008-09-23 Thread maccrawj

Yes, that's what I do:

DSL Modem
|
\WRT54GS|-802.11G
|-LAN 1|
|   \-GS105 switch|
|   \-Four 1GB PC's.
\-LAN 2..4-empty

Netgear GS108  105 are both unmanaged switches supporting jumbo frames at  
$50.



Naushad Zulfiqar wrote:

I have a WRT54GL linksys router connected to an ADSL modem.  Right now all
the 4 ports are occupied by various devices.  The primary ones being my
fileserver and my main machine.

Since the switch on the WRT is 10/100 only, I've been feeling the pain when
transferring large files.  Both my fileserver and my main computer have Gbit
NICS on them and I would like to take advantage of them.

I've looked around (NEWEGG) and have seen that 4-5 port switches cost around
the 50 dollar range.  That's perfect and I can spare that kind of cash.

That being said, what is the best way to integrate the switch into my
current setup?  Would it be:


MODEM  Router(Port1) - Gbit Switch
-- Devices?




Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread DHSinclair

Hey, Ben,
How bad do you want one?  I've got a retired V2.0 IT5H w/Ram, w/HS, w/your 
choice of

Intel P233's (2 or 3?).
Interested? LOL!
Was saving it for when I really got old... :)
just cuz it worked so well.
Duncan


At 12:05 09/23/2008 -0400, you wrote:

I miss my Abit IT5H.

Naushad Zulfiqar wrote:

Damn,
That brings back old memories!!!
 Cellys on a BX6!!!
What was the name of the Dual socket board?  I had one of those too!!  i
remember running linux (mandrake) for the first time and seeing dual procs
was something of a biblical revelation for me!!!




[H] Webmail suggestions WAS Re[2]: It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Joe User
Hello Naushad,

Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 10:48:43 AM, you wrote:

 Check out www.hushmail.com

Aside from hushmail  gmail what do others suggest for free webmail?

-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...



Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Joe User
Hello Thane,

Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 1:03:06 PM, you wrote:

 I've gotten grey hairs while being on this list (but not from the list.) :)

I've lost hair.

-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...



Re: [H] insert picture in hotmail

2008-09-23 Thread Soren

Christopher Fisk wrote:

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Soren wrote:


Who would want to use Snotmail these days? ;)

Seriously, consider other options.


IMO, if you're going to bash something at least answer their question at 
the same time.


I am sorry, you're absolutely right. I have been a bit crancky lately. My fault 
only, it has nothing to do with the list.

That said, the 'best' online mail service these days is probably google mail, 
used with HTTPS.

Or a stable ISP offering a similar web mail solution.

If you goto the attachments page you can click attach and attach it.  
I'm not sure how to do it inline.




Christopher Fisk




Re: [H] Facebook

2008-09-23 Thread Soren

You're right, and sorry for my cranckiness, it came out wrong because of that.

What I wanted to say is that sites like FB are often searched by employers in regard to job applicants. In my country there recently has been several news articles on the 
subject. Mostly because people over the years make several profiles on several sites and then forget about them as time passes. And ones future boss might get quite a 
story from those profiles.


With the earlier compromized (also) mail servers at yahoo, google, among others, history shows that one is taking a risk about ones personal info by submitting to an 
online service. Also, the usually heavy use of scripting of these online services makes it almost guaranteed that ones email addy is 'lifted' by the provider.


So, beware, and make precautions, was really all I wanted to say :)

Scott Sipe wrote:
Regardless of whether or not you like facebook, it IS almost 5 years 
old, so I'm not quite sure it counts as new :-P


Scott

On Sep 21, 2008, at 2:21 AM, Soren wrote:


Yeah, beacuse 'new' equals 'good'?

No-f*king-way!

Think again, Naushad :D

Naushad Zulfiqar wrote:

Are you guys on facebook?
If yes, then lets create a Hardware Group Group.









Re: [H] Gigabitifying my network

2008-09-23 Thread Naushad Zulfiqar
James, you have a very similar setup to mine.

I have a Linksys AM200 DSL modem  WRT54GL or WHRHPG54 Both Tomato or
WRT150N(with DDWRT) I swap around when I feel like to see what firmware is
the best

Is this switch any good?

http://www.amazon.com/3Com-3CGSU05-US-Gigabit-Switch-5PORT/dp/B000I1ZA0G/ref=sr_1_45?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=100178sr=8-45

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:00 PM, James Boswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That method seems fine

 I have a similar setup going on here

 Netgear DM111P  wan port on a WRT54GS running tomato  port on the WRT
 hooked up to a port on a Buffalo 8 port gigabit switch

 occasionally I'll hang 100mbps devices off the WRT, that's more an issue of
 cable management than anything else.

 Traffic between local nodes will just bound around the gigabit switches
 ports and never get anywhere near the router, so it's as performant as it
 gets.


 On 23 Sep 2008, at 17:53, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote:

  Sorry for the lame subject title, but.


 I have a WRT54GL linksys router connected to an ADSL modem.  Right now all
 the 4 ports are occupied by various devices.  The primary ones being my
 fileserver and my main machine.

 Since the switch on the WRT is 10/100 only, I've been feeling the pain
 when
 transferring large files.  Both my fileserver and my main computer have
 Gbit
 NICS on them and I would like to take advantage of them.

 I've looked around (NEWEGG) and have seen that 4-5 port switches cost
 around
 the 50 dollar range.  That's perfect and I can spare that kind of cash.

 That being said, what is the best way to integrate the switch into my
 current setup?  Would it be:


 MODEM  Router(Port1) - Gbit Switch
 -- Devices?


 Would another method be more faster and/or elegant?

 I love my router and don't want to change it for a gigabit model, but if
 the
 collective says so, I will have to consider strongly.



 --
 Best Regards,


 Zulfiqar Naushad





-- 
Best Regards,


Zulfiqar Naushad


Re: [H] OT: IP to location lookup was Re: Facebook

2008-09-23 Thread Gary VanderMolen

Yeah, my DSL connection has its gateway in a city some 80 miles
south of me, so the IP locator guestimate doesn't get very close.

Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


--
From: maccrawj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cool link, thanks! It's at least 50-60mi, means my DSL must pass through Postfalls, ID then route back to Seattle, WA. Neotrace 
(really old 2001 version) did not give me that unlike when I looked up D's IP. 




Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Naushad Zulfiqar
Lol,

Me too.  In fact I just shave my head these days.  Shave once a week and
it's great!!  Very airy feelin.



On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Thane,

 Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 1:03:06 PM, you wrote:

  I've gotten grey hairs while being on this list (but not from the list.)
 :)

 I've lost hair.

 --
 Regards,
  joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...




-- 
Best Regards,


Zulfiqar Naushad


Re: [H] Webmail suggestions WAS Re[2]: It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Naushad Zulfiqar
Those are pretty much the best things going these days.

If you are paranoid about security go with hush.

If you want features, such as IMAP or POP3, then go with GMAIL.

You can use GMAIL with https (https://www.gmail.com) so it is more secure.

Additonally GMAIL offers 7 Gigs of storage, that's huge!



On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Naushad,

 Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 10:48:43 AM, you wrote:

  Check out www.hushmail.com

 Aside from hushmail  gmail what do others suggest for free webmail?

 --
 Regards,
  joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...




-- 
Best Regards,


Zulfiqar Naushad


Re: [H] Gigabitifying my network

2008-09-23 Thread Naushad Zulfiqar
I did a quick look around and it seems kosher.

I just ordered one through amazon.  Free shipping and tax came up to 50
bucks.

Surprisingly it was cheaper than newegg.



On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Naushad Zulfiqar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 James, you have a very similar setup to mine.

 I have a Linksys AM200 DSL modem  WRT54GL or WHRHPG54 Both Tomato or
 WRT150N(with DDWRT) I swap around when I feel like to see what firmware is
 the best

 Is this switch any good?


 http://www.amazon.com/3Com-3CGSU05-US-Gigabit-Switch-5PORT/dp/B000I1ZA0G/ref=sr_1_45?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=100178sr=8-45


 On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:00 PM, James Boswell [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 That method seems fine

 I have a similar setup going on here

 Netgear DM111P  wan port on a WRT54GS running tomato  port on the WRT
 hooked up to a port on a Buffalo 8 port gigabit switch

 occasionally I'll hang 100mbps devices off the WRT, that's more an issue
 of cable management than anything else.

 Traffic between local nodes will just bound around the gigabit switches
 ports and never get anywhere near the router, so it's as performant as it
 gets.


 On 23 Sep 2008, at 17:53, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote:

  Sorry for the lame subject title, but.


 I have a WRT54GL linksys router connected to an ADSL modem.  Right now
 all
 the 4 ports are occupied by various devices.  The primary ones being my
 fileserver and my main machine.

 Since the switch on the WRT is 10/100 only, I've been feeling the pain
 when
 transferring large files.  Both my fileserver and my main computer have
 Gbit
 NICS on them and I would like to take advantage of them.

 I've looked around (NEWEGG) and have seen that 4-5 port switches cost
 around
 the 50 dollar range.  That's perfect and I can spare that kind of cash.

 That being said, what is the best way to integrate the switch into my
 current setup?  Would it be:


 MODEM  Router(Port1) - Gbit Switch
 -- Devices?


 Would another method be more faster and/or elegant?

 I love my router and don't want to change it for a gigabit model, but if
 the
 collective says so, I will have to consider strongly.



 --
 Best Regards,


 Zulfiqar Naushad





 --
 Best Regards,


 Zulfiqar Naushad




-- 
Best Regards,


Zulfiqar Naushad


Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread DHSinclair

Zul,
i am thinking about just this. it is getting hard to find bands for the now 
very old pony tail!

some things just die hard.. :)
besides, mine is beyond grey! it is now just white.. :)
Duncan

At 23:20 09/23/2008 +0300, you wrote:

Lol,

Me too.  In fact I just shave my head these days.  Shave once a week and
it's great!!  Very airy feelin.



On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Thane,

 Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 1:03:06 PM, you wrote:

  I've gotten grey hairs while being on this list (but not from the list.)
 :)

 I've lost hair.

 --
 Regards,
  joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...




--
Best Regards,


Zulfiqar Naushad




Re: [H] Facebook

2008-09-23 Thread Scott Sipe

Hear, Hear, I definitely agree with you on that!

My facebook has only a distorted partial picture of me, and email  
address/etc only available to friends. No page after page of pictures,  
likesdislikes, etc. I mostly use facebook for keeping in track with  
friends and others who DO use it a lot. I hate reading people's  
updates every 15 minutes--Going to shower, brb! Done showering,  
eating cereal! finished cereal, getting smashed! etc


I learned to like facebook a lot more after I found that you can untag  
yourself from photos, limit what actions of yours (the newsfeed)  
that others see, disable the Wall, etc


Scott

On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:12 PM, Soren wrote:

You're right, and sorry for my cranckiness, it came out wrong  
because of that.


What I wanted to say is that sites like FB are often searched by  
employers in regard to job applicants. In my country there recently  
has been several news articles on the subject. Mostly because people  
over the years make several profiles on several sites and then  
forget about them as time passes. And ones future boss might get  
quite a story from those profiles.


With the earlier compromized (also) mail servers at yahoo, google,  
among others, history shows that one is taking a risk about ones  
personal info by submitting to an online service. Also, the usually  
heavy use of scripting of these online services makes it almost  
guaranteed that ones email addy is 'lifted' by the provider.


So, beware, and make precautions, was really all I wanted to say :)

Scott Sipe wrote:
Regardless of whether or not you like facebook, it IS almost 5  
years old, so I'm not quite sure it counts as new :-P

Scott
On Sep 21, 2008, at 2:21 AM, Soren wrote:

Yeah, beacuse 'new' equals 'good'?

No-f*king-way!

Think again, Naushad :D

Naushad Zulfiqar wrote:

Are you guys on facebook?
If yes, then lets create a Hardware Group Group.








Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Joe User
Hello Naushad,

Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:20:09 PM, you wrote:

 Me too.  In fact I just shave my head these days.  Shave once a week and
 it's great!!  Very airy feelin.

I wanted to try it - wife forbids it.
Testicles in a jar behind the Secret deodorant.

-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...



Re: [H] HD PC recording

2008-09-23 Thread Winterlight

At 12:34 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote:
You don't want the data off a Comcast DVR, it's so compressed that 
it bands like 16bit graphics and even subtitle data is lost. This 
was on a Minneapolis, MN market SA DVR.


When CC gets around to enabling SA's SARA OS' DRM features it will 
disallow/degrade recorded playback  or even tuner output via 
component or whatever else they choose. As long as they're in 
control of the STB you'll never get what you pay for!


Time will tell whether the cable companies block this. Right now, 
according to everything I read it is doing a good job of capturing HD 
in 1080i from cable and satellite boxes.


 I think it will have more to do with what other products enter this 
niche market... if they don't I doubt they will bother with this 
esoteric method since it is not HDMI. However, it can still be used 
on DVD or Blueray players to record HD 



Re: [H] HD PC recording

2008-09-23 Thread James Maki
 -Original Message-
 From: maccrawj
 
 You don't want the data off a Comcast DVR, it's so compressed 
 that it bands like 16bit graphics and even subtitle data is 
 lost. This was on a Minneapolis, MN market SA DVR.

What's the alternative? Even If I could get OTA HD, what about Sci-Fi etc.
in HD? Since the DVR is the tuner, watching the recorded version is the same
quality as the live version. 
 
 When CC gets around to enabling SA's SARA OS' DRM features it 
 will disallow/degrade recorded playback  or even tuner output 
 via component or whatever else they choose. 
 As long as they're in control of the STB you'll never get 
 what you pay for!

If they disallow/degrade the recorded playback, cable is gone from this
house. That would make the whole concept ludicris. I can't compare OTA HD
and Cable HD, but Cable HD is worlds better than SD cable. The output from
the HD PVR is not as good as the original, but again, worlds better than SD
and/or a VCR. 

I agree that the ownership of the STB by the cable company and the fact that
you can't get the service without, puts the consumers at a distinct
disadvantage. But I repeat, what is the alternative?

--What is SARA?

Thanks for the input.

Jim Maki
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Naushad Zulfiqar
It was completely the opposite for me.

Wife was for it, I was semi against it, but I said what the heck, it will
grow back in 2 months max.

That was a year ago :)

I'm only 31 :)

Genetics suck when you get the bum end of the deal.



On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Naushad,

 Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:20:09 PM, you wrote:

  Me too.  In fact I just shave my head these days.  Shave once a week and
  it's great!!  Very airy feelin.

 I wanted to try it - wife forbids it.
 Testicles in a jar behind the Secret deodorant.

 --
 Regards,
  joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...




-- 
Best Regards,


Zulfiqar Naushad


Re: [H] HD PC recording

2008-09-23 Thread maccrawj



James Maki wrote:

-Original Message-
From: maccrawj
 
You don't want the data off a Comcast DVR, it's so compressed 
that it bands like 16bit graphics and even subtitle data is 
lost. This was on a Minneapolis, MN market SA DVR.


What's the alternative? Even If I could get OTA HD, what about Sci-Fi etc.
in HD? Since the DVR is the tuner, watching the recorded version is the same
quality as the live version. 


Dunno, I've not joined this arms race just viewed it bit here and there. IMHO, based 
on MN market, digital cable was a joke that was overly compressed. The DVR's 
consistently scrambled the CC data so you got *isdj cisacoi haso kind of weirdness.


If you're live HD is not as compressed I guess best you can do is Component out to 
record. It's gotta be better than their HD DVR which has compression turned way up to 
achieve the long record times while using small HDD's.



 
When CC gets around to enabling SA's SARA OS' DRM features it 
will disallow/degrade recorded playback  or even tuner output 
via component or whatever else they choose. 
As long as they're in control of the STB you'll never get 
what you pay for!


If they disallow/degrade the recorded playback, cable is gone from this
house. That would make the whole concept ludicris. I can't compare OTA HD
and Cable HD, but Cable HD is worlds better than SD cable. The output from
the HD PVR is not as good as the original, but again, worlds better than SD
and/or a VCR. 


If you can see stepped banding of a graduated color, it's had the shit compressed 
outta it! This was a standard TV, so no HD, but it was a premium digital channel that 
looked worse live than VCR tape.




I agree that the ownership of the STB by the cable company and the fact that
you can't get the service without, puts the consumers at a distinct
disadvantage. But I repeat, what is the alternative?


Renting discs, LOL!



--What is SARA?


SARA is Scientific Atlanta's OS for their STB's  DVR's.



Thanks for the input.



I'm a ranter, sorry! =)


Jim Maki
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Bill
The List has long been my staple for reliable information.. The Tech
scene to keep up with, so endlessly vast.
I get it all right here..

Now don't mind the grey in your hair. Just think about all the fun you
had puttin' it there.

Jerry Lee Lewis
Don't Be Ashamed of your Age
From the album, Last Man Standing

Bill

DHSinclair wrote:
 Yes, and I still recall many of those grey hairs! LOL!
 You and I have had our tiffs, but I'm glad we are still here.
 I am amazed that you stay in this business. To me, the tech has
 just gotten too much to follow anymore. The List is my resource.
 Duncan




Re: [H] HD PC recording

2008-09-23 Thread Winterlight

At 02:19 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote:

 -Original Message-
 From: Winterlight

 if they don't I doubt they will
 bother with this esoteric method since it is not HDMI.
 However, it can still be used on DVD or Blueray players to record HD

It was my understanding that Blu-Ray required a protected path from player
to screen via HDMI with HDCP, or some other alphabit soup of protocols and
cabling. If so, the HD PVR would not work with a Blu-Ray player.


Well, I stand corrected. I don't have a Blu-Ray player so I don't 
know how it works.





Jim Maki
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: [H] HD PC recording

2008-09-23 Thread Winterlight


If you can see stepped banding of a graduated color, it's had the 
shit compressed outta it! This was a standard TV, so no HD, but it 
was a premium digital channel that looked worse live than VCR tape.


I don't have any experience with Comcast, but I can tell that with 
COX switching from analog cable to Digital cable made enormous 
difference in viewing and recording with a PC capture card using 
S-VIDEO. It is the difference between mpeg-1 quality, and Standard 
DVD. So I don't see why the Component HD recording wouldn't be good. 
But I will just have to get mine installed and see for myself. 



Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Robert Martin Jr.
I've been waiting to shave mine down. I still treat patients and I'm scary 
looking enough without having a shaved head too. I've been buzzing it pretty 
short though, (#2) hehe ;)

lopaka

--- On Tue, 9/23/08, Naushad Zulfiqar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Naushad Zulfiqar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [H] It's A Record!!!
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:51 PM
 It was completely the opposite for me.
 
 Wife was for it, I was semi against it, but I said what the
 heck, it will
 grow back in 2 months max.
 
 That was a year ago :)
 
 I'm only 31 :)
 
 Genetics suck when you get the bum end of the deal.
 
 
 
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Joe User
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hello Naushad,
 
  Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:20:09 PM, you wrote:
 
   Me too.  In fact I just shave my head these days.
  Shave once a week and
   it's great!!  Very airy feelin.
 
  I wanted to try it - wife forbids it.
  Testicles in a jar behind the Secret deodorant.
 
  --
  Regards,
   joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Best Regards,
 
 
 Zulfiqar Naushad


Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread John R Steinbruner

I've been buzzing mine down with a #2 for 5-6 years now.  :)


On Sep 23, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Robert Martin Jr. wrote:

I've been waiting to shave mine down. I still treat patients and I'm  
scary looking enough without having a shaved head too. I've been  
buzzing it pretty short though, (#2) hehe ;)


lopaka

--- On Tue, 9/23/08, Naushad Zulfiqar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


From: Naushad Zulfiqar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [H] It's A Record!!!
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:51 PM
It was completely the opposite for me.

Wife was for it, I was semi against it, but I said what the
heck, it will
grow back in 2 months max.

That was a year ago :)

I'm only 31 :)

Genetics suck when you get the bum end of the deal.



On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Joe User
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello Naushad,

Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:20:09 PM, you wrote:


Me too.  In fact I just shave my head these days.

Shave once a week and

it's great!!  Very airy feelin.


I wanted to try it - wife forbids it.
Testicles in a jar behind the Secret deodorant.

--
Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...





--
Best Regards,


Zulfiqar Naushad



--
JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please remove  **X**  to reply...

Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.



Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread DHSinclair

Darnit! What is a #2?
ok, it has been too many years. Have not seen
a barber shop in 30yrs.(like since the USArmy!)
Am looking at Wahl clippers though.. :)
Duncan

At 16:16 09/23/2008 -0700, you wrote:

I've been buzzing mine down with a #2 for 5-6 years now.  :)


On Sep 23, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Robert Martin Jr. wrote:


I've been waiting to shave mine down. I still treat patients and I'm
scary looking enough without having a shaved head too. I've been
buzzing it pretty short though, (#2) hehe ;)

lopaka

--- On Tue, 9/23/08, Naushad Zulfiqar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


From: Naushad Zulfiqar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [H] It's A Record!!!
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:51 PM
It was completely the opposite for me.

Wife was for it, I was semi against it, but I said what the
heck, it will
grow back in 2 months max.

That was a year ago :)

I'm only 31 :)

Genetics suck when you get the bum end of the deal.



On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Joe User
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello Naushad,

Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:20:09 PM, you wrote:


Me too.  In fact I just shave my head these days.

Shave once a week and

it's great!!  Very airy feelin.


I wanted to try it - wife forbids it.
Testicles in a jar behind the Secret deodorant.

--
Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...




--
Best Regards,


Zulfiqar Naushad



--
JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please remove  **X**  to reply...

Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.




Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread Naushad Zulfiqar
#2 should be about a grain of rice.


On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:45 AM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Darnit! What is a #2?
 ok, it has been too many years. Have not seen
 a barber shop in 30yrs.(like since the USArmy!)
 Am looking at Wahl clippers though.. :)
 Duncan


 At 16:16 09/23/2008 -0700, you wrote:

 I've been buzzing mine down with a #2 for 5-6 years now.  :)


 On Sep 23, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Robert Martin Jr. wrote:

  I've been waiting to shave mine down. I still treat patients and I'm
 scary looking enough without having a shaved head too. I've been
 buzzing it pretty short though, (#2) hehe ;)

 lopaka

 --- On Tue, 9/23/08, Naushad Zulfiqar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  From: Naushad Zulfiqar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [H] It's A Record!!!
 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:51 PM
 It was completely the opposite for me.

 Wife was for it, I was semi against it, but I said what the
 heck, it will
 grow back in 2 months max.

 That was a year ago :)

 I'm only 31 :)

 Genetics suck when you get the bum end of the deal.



 On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Joe User
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hello Naushad,

 Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 2:20:09 PM, you wrote:

  Me too.  In fact I just shave my head these days.

 Shave once a week and

 it's great!!  Very airy feelin.


 I wanted to try it - wife forbids it.
 Testicles in a jar behind the Secret deodorant.

 --
 Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...



 --
 Best Regards,


 Zulfiqar Naushad



 --
 JRS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Please remove  **X**  to reply...

 Facts do not cease to exist just
 because they are ignored.





-- 
Best Regards,


Zulfiqar Naushad


Re: [H] It's A Record!!!

2008-09-23 Thread DHSinclair

Hmm? I could do a grain of rice.
Thanks.
Duncan

At 02:59 09/24/2008 +0300, you wrote:

#2 should be about a grain of rice.


On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:45 AM, DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Darnit! What is a #2?
 ok, it has been too many years. Have not seen
 a barber shop in 30yrs.(like since the USArmy!)
 Am looking at Wahl clippers though.. :)
 Duncan

snip






[H] New video card - GTX 260 or HD 4870?

2008-09-23 Thread Brian Weeden
I'm upgrading the video card in my gaming rig and have the choice narrowed
down to two in my price range, the Nvidia GTX 260 or ATI HD 4870.  Both seem
to score fairly identical in most benchmarks so I guess the decision might
come down to extras.  For me, noise and cooling are a big issue.  My PC case
is right next to my desk in my office and I can't stand loud fans.  What's
the experience from the group with either of these cards and fan noise vs
temp?

I am leaning towards the 260 because I have heard better things about their
drivers as opposed to ATI's.  My last 3 cards have all been ATIs and while
they have served me very well in terms of hardware I've always had some sort
of issue with the driver.  For example, x1950 I currently am using doesn't
seem to be able to control the fan speed properly using the ATI Tool so I
have to manually set it high for gaming and low otherwise.

I don't plan on going dual cards if that makes a difference between the two.


Brian


Re: [H] New video card - GTX 260 or HD 4870?

2008-09-23 Thread Winterlight


Well, Maximum PC and Extreme tech have been giving the 4870 the nod 
in the last few months... a better card and cheaper. Particularly 
when it comes to video.  I think the cooling / noise is more about 
the specific manufacture then it is the GPU.


I too have a X1950, although it is AGP. And I just bought this five 
minutes ago... pretty good deal, considering it is an ASUS. Newegg 
has free shipping for the next hour or so.


ASUS EAH4870/HTDI/512M/A Radeon HD 4870 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI 
Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121276nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvelcm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-N82E16814121276



At 10:09 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote:

I'm upgrading the video card in my gaming rig and have the choice narrowed
down to two in my price range, the Nvidia GTX 260 or ATI HD 4870.  Both seem
to score fairly identical in most benchmarks so I guess the decision might
come down to extras.  For me, noise and cooling are a big issue.  My PC case
is right next to my desk in my office and I can't stand loud fans.  What's
the experience from the group with either of these cards and fan noise vs
temp?

I am leaning towards the 260 because I have heard better things about their
drivers as opposed to ATI's.  My last 3 cards have all been ATIs and while
they have served me very well in terms of hardware I've always had some sort
of issue with the driver.  For example, x1950 I currently am using doesn't
seem to be able to control the fan speed properly using the ATI Tool so I
have to manually set it high for gaming and low otherwise.

I don't plan on going dual cards if that makes a difference between the two.


Brian




Re: [H] [Bulk] New video card - GTX 260 or HD 4870?

2008-09-23 Thread Stan Zaske
Complex questions. First off, I game on a 24 monitor @ 1920x1200. My 
old box with WinXP, DX9 and 2 gig of RAM DID run Crysis with everything 
set an Medium with good results. My recently upgraded box still with 2 
gigs (soon to be 4 as soon as NewEgg ships my Mushkin), Vista64, DX10.1 
and Catylyst 8.9 I have to set everything on low or it starts to drive 
me nuts. I used the same Radeon HD4850 in both and even though DX10 is 
visibly better looking I'm disappointed in the performance drop. Anyway, 
they're both good cards and even though I try to support AMD every 
chance I get the GTX260 is apparently superior in every respect.



Brian Weeden wrote:

I'm upgrading the video card in my gaming rig and have the choice narrowed
down to two in my price range, the Nvidia GTX 260 or ATI HD 4870.  Both seem
to score fairly identical in most benchmarks so I guess the decision might
come down to extras.  For me, noise and cooling are a big issue.  My PC case
is right next to my desk in my office and I can't stand loud fans.  What's
the experience from the group with either of these cards and fan noise vs
temp?

I am leaning towards the 260 because I have heard better things about their
drivers as opposed to ATI's.  My last 3 cards have all been ATIs and while
they have served me very well in terms of hardware I've always had some sort
of issue with the driver.  For example, x1950 I currently am using doesn't
seem to be able to control the fan speed properly using the ATI Tool so I
have to manually set it high for gaming and low otherwise.

I don't plan on going dual cards if that makes a difference between the two.


Brian