Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?
I've seen the performance of ssds and they will Leave you speechless. However they are mucho dinero. On 22 May 2010 08:36, Bryan Seitz se...@bsd-unix.net wrote: I shall wait until it's hard to go wrong with SSDs vs hard to go right :) (That and the prices will continue to drop) On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:27:52AM -0500, Greg Sevart wrote: That one, and the larger, faster, 16... -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?
I've heard the horror stories of malfunction, trim sucking, etc... I think they are GREAT just not ready for prime time yet. On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 09:02:07AM +0300, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: I've seen the performance of ssds and they will Leave you speechless. However they are mucho dinero. On 22 May 2010 08:36, Bryan Seitz se...@bsd-unix.net wrote: I shall wait until it's hard to go wrong with SSDs vs hard to go right :) (That and the prices will continue to drop) On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:27:52AM -0500, Greg Sevart wrote: That one, and the larger, faster, 16... -- Bryan G. Seitz -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?
I've been using one now for 5 months. It's great..wouldn't consider changing or going back now. Also, a lot of vendors are putting them in high-end laptops now. the extra cash becomes rather meaningless after you've been living with one for a while. Virus scans are nearly instantaneous. And boot times are fab...and I would go intel all the way...BTW, maximum pc in their latest issue does have a review of several non-intel SSDs. On 5/22/2010 2:11 AM, Bryan Seitz wrote: I've heard the horror stories of malfunction, trim sucking, etc... I think they are GREAT just not ready for prime time yet. On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 09:02:07AM +0300, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote: I've seen the performance of ssds and they will Leave you speechless. However they are mucho dinero. On 22 May 2010 08:36, Bryan Seitzse...@bsd-unix.net wrote: I shall wait until it's hard to go wrong with SSDs vs hard to go right :) (That and the prices will continue to drop) On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:27:52AM -0500, Greg Sevart wrote: That one, and the larger, faster, 16... -- Bryan G. Seitz No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2888 - Release Date: 05/21/10 14:26:00
Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?
Anand doesn't expect the price to drop significantly this year. Even with the recent die shrink from Intel/Micron and Samsung they haven't passed along the savings to consumers yet. Next year we can expect the prices to finally start to fall more and within 5 years the mechanical hardrive will be on it's way out. Seagate is coming out with a 3 Gig drive this year.. On Sat, 22 May 2010 00:36:01 -0500, Bryan Seitz se...@bsd-unix.net wrote: I shall wait until it's hard to go wrong with SSDs vs hard to go right :) (That and the prices will continue to drop) On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:27:52AM -0500, Greg Sevart wrote: That one, and the larger, faster, 160GB version, are the only ones I'd consider buying right now. I've seen a truly shocking number of OCZ Vertex (Indilinx-based) drives fail in various ways, and while the new Sandforce controller in the Vertex 2 and others looks really impressive, being bitten by the Indilinx makes me shy away from first designs. For what it's worth, I have two 80GB Intel G2 units in RAID0 on my home workstation. Disclaimer: My sample size is fairly small, with around 45 Vertex drives and around 35 Intel G2 drives. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:43 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD? Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2M080G2XXX 2.5 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) You are the expert on these Greg...is this a good one? Thanks -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?
Aside from Intel the only other SSD's that I would be interested in are the Sandforce based SSD's. As good as they are, they are too rich for my blood. However, if my Raptor dies, then I may seriously consider getting a SSD drive, but nothing less than 120GB. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Scoobydo Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 2:01 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD? Anand doesn't expect the price to drop significantly this year. Even with the recent die shrink from Intel/Micron and Samsung they haven't passed along the savings to consumers yet. Next year we can expect the prices to finally start to fall more and within 5 years the mechanical hardrive will be on it's way out. Seagate is coming out with a 3 Gig drive this year.. On Sat, 22 May 2010 00:36:01 -0500, Bryan Seitz se...@bsd-unix.net wrote: I shall wait until it's hard to go wrong with SSDs vs hard to go right :) (That and the prices will continue to drop) On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:27:52AM -0500, Greg Sevart wrote: That one, and the larger, faster, 160GB version, are the only ones I'd consider buying right now. I've seen a truly shocking number of OCZ Vertex (Indilinx-based) drives fail in various ways, and while the new Sandforce controller in the Vertex 2 and others looks really impressive, being bitten by the Indilinx makes me shy away from first designs. For what it's worth, I have two 80GB Intel G2 units in RAID0 on my home workstation. Disclaimer: My sample size is fairly small, with around 45 Vertex drives and around 35 Intel G2 drives. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:43 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD? Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2M080G2XXX 2.5 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) You are the expert on these Greg...is this a good one? Thanks -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Re: [H] My 2010 Gamer PC Build
It seems my new build has an issue I read about many weeks ago. In regards to the new XFX ATI HD 5870. The gray/brown screen with bars I noticed the last few days playing rfactor and iracing that pop up occasionally. It's been reported before by ATI users and I would have hoped by now that this would be a driver issue that fixed it. But this is the latest driver on a brand new install. I'm wondering if I'm about to RMA my first part of this build, and the first ATI I've purchased in years. Can it be something else overlooked?
Re: [H] Odd CPU issue
At 12:01 AM 22/05/2010, DSinc wrote: You always do share good problems! Do you perhaps have ash fallout from the Iceland volcano ATM? If so, all bets are off... :) Not yet. :) Wrong side of the Atlantic. I do hear that it reached NFLD at one point. T
Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?
At 07:23 AM 22/05/2010, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I've been using one now for 5 months. It's great..wouldn't consider changing or going back now. Also, a lot of vendors are putting them in high-end laptops now. the extra cash becomes rather meaningless after you've been living with one for a while. Virus scans are nearly instantaneous. And boot times are fab...and I would go intel all the way...BTW, maximum pc in their latest issue does have a review of several non-intel SSDs. I've done a few machines for clients with SSDs, and if you have the cash it is hands down the way to go. I wish I had the cash to put a big one on my laptop. T
Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?
If you're looking at Sandforce, take a look at these: http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/internal_storage/Mercury_Extreme_SSD_Sandforce/Solid_State_Pro http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/internal_storage/Mercury_Extreme_SSD_Sandforce/Solid_State_Pro http://mushkin.com/Digital-Storage/SSDs/MKNSSDCL120GB.aspx http://mushkin.com/Digital-Storage/SSDs/MKNSSDCL120GB.aspxTake care, Julian On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote: At 07:23 AM 22/05/2010, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I've been using one now for 5 months. It's great..wouldn't consider changing or going back now. Also, a lot of vendors are putting them in high-end laptops now. the extra cash becomes rather meaningless after you've been living with one for a while. Virus scans are nearly instantaneous. And boot times are fab...and I would go intel all the way...BTW, maximum pc in their latest issue does have a review of several non-intel SSDs. I've done a few machines for clients with SSDs, and if you have the cash it is hands down the way to go. I wish I had the cash to put a big one on my laptop. T
Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?
There hasn't been another die shrink from IMFT (Intel/Micron Flash Technologies) yet. They dropped prices around 60% last year when moving from 50nm to 34nm, and the move down to 25nm will not occur until later this year. It will also require an updated controller. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Scoobydo Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:01 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD? Anand doesn't expect the price to drop significantly this year. Even with the recent die shrink from Intel/Micron and Samsung they haven't passed along the savings to consumers yet. Next year we can expect the prices to finally start to fall more and within 5 years the mechanical hardrive will be on it's way out. Seagate is coming out with a 3 Gig drive this year..
Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?
Interesting piece here on the Intel SSD: Sequential Access - Read up to 250MB/s Sequential Access - Write up to 70MB/s ? SLOW ?? Kingston SSD V+ series. Newegg has a 64GB for $180 that has nice read AND write speeds. Sequential Access - Read up to 230MB/s Sequential Access - Write up to 180MB/s Have I misinterpreted the data and or the importantance of sequential access write up speed? What do you feel on the Kingston SSD V+ series? On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Julian Zottl jzo...@radiantnetworks.net wrote: If you're looking at Sandforce, take a look at these: http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/internal_storage/Mercury_Extreme_SSD_Sandforce/Solid_State_Pro http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/internal_storage/Mercury_Extreme_SSD_Sandforce/Solid_State_Pro http://mushkin.com/Digital-Storage/SSDs/MKNSSDCL120GB.aspx http://mushkin.com/Digital-Storage/SSDs/MKNSSDCL120GB.aspxTake care, Julian On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote: At 07:23 AM 22/05/2010, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I've been using one now for 5 months. It's great..wouldn't consider changing or going back now. Also, a lot of vendors are putting them in high-end laptops now. the extra cash becomes rather meaningless after you've been living with one for a while. Virus scans are nearly instantaneous. And boot times are fab...and I would go intel all the way...BTW, maximum pc in their latest issue does have a review of several non-intel SSDs. I've done a few machines for clients with SSDs, and if you have the cash it is hands down the way to go. I wish I had the cash to put a big one on my laptop. T
Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?
The V series isn't that good from what I have read. Nowhere near a performance drive. Just a standard drive, good for netbooks maybe. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of GPL Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 5:33 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD? Interesting piece here on the Intel SSD: Sequential Access - Read up to 250MB/s Sequential Access - Write up to 70MB/s ? SLOW ?? Kingston SSD V+ series. Newegg has a 64GB for $180 that has nice read AND write speeds. Sequential Access - Read up to 230MB/s Sequential Access - Write up to 180MB/s Have I misinterpreted the data and or the importantance of sequential access write up speed? What do you feel on the Kingston SSD V+ series? On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Julian Zottl jzo...@radiantnetworks.net wrote: If you're looking at Sandforce, take a look at these: http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/internal_storage/Mercury_Extreme_SSD_Sandforce/Solid_State_Pro http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/internal_storage/Mercury_Extreme_SSD_Sandforce/Solid_State_Pro http://mushkin.com/Digital-Storage/SSDs/MKNSSDCL120GB.aspx http://mushkin.com/Digital-Storage/SSDs/MKNSSDCL120GB.aspxTake care, Julian On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote: At 07:23 AM 22/05/2010, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I've been using one now for 5 months. It's great..wouldn't consider changing or going back now. Also, a lot of vendors are putting them in high-end laptops now. the extra cash becomes rather meaningless after you've been living with one for a while. Virus scans are nearly instantaneous. And boot times are fab...and I would go intel all the way...BTW, maximum pc in their latest issue does have a review of several non-intel SSDs. I've done a few machines for clients with SSDs, and if you have the cash it is hands down the way to go. I wish I had the cash to put a big one on my laptop. T
Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?
Intel-Micron Flash Technologies Ships 25nm NAND Flash: Bigger USB Keys, SSDs Coming Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - by Ray Willington Process technologies continue to shrink at an alarming rate. It wasn't long ago that 65nm seemed tiny, and now Intel is shipping out NAND Flash based around 25nm. In short, shrinking the production size enables manufacturers to squeeze more memory, power, etc. onto an existing form factor. In other words, CPU sockets and DIMM slots won't change sizes very often, so the goal is to simply put more onto the modules we have. IM Flash Technologies, which is a joint venture between Intel and Micron that is targeted for producing NAND flash memory, announced in late January that they were working hard to develop 25 nanometer Flash memory. It was neat, but easy to brush off, since nothing new was actually shipping to consumers. Companies make these wild breakthrough claims all the time, but this one's different. Just a few months after the debut, Intel has now declared that same 25 nanometer memory ready for shipment, meaning that it's ready to make an impact in the market. Larger capacity memory products, here we come. Starting this week, Intel-Micron Flash Technologes are in mass production of the 25 nanometer NAND Flash, and volume shipments have commenced. That makes IMFT the first to sample, and now to ship in production, 25nm NAND using the world's smallest, most advanced manufacturing process technology. The 8GB 25 nanometer memory chip measures just 167mm2 and can hold up to 2,000 songs, 7,000 photos or 8 hours of video, and it should be showing up in USB keys, SD cards, Flash drives in camcorders and even SSDs soon. On Sat, 22 May 2010 09:29:13 -0500, Greg Sevart ad...@xfury.net wrote: There hasn't been another die shrink from IMFT (Intel/Micron Flash Technologies) yet. They dropped prices around 60% last year when moving from 50nm to 34nm, and the move down to 25nm will not occur until later this year. It will also require an updated controller. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Scoobydo Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:01 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD? Anand doesn't expect the price to drop significantly this year. Even with the recent die shrink from Intel/Micron and Samsung they haven't passed along the savings to consumers yet. Next year we can expect the prices to finally start to fall more and within 5 years the mechanical hardrive will be on it's way out. Seagate is coming out with a 3 Gig drive this year.. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?
Yes, sequential write performance isn't that important. It isn't irrelevant, but if you're buying an SSD for that responsiveness feeling, you want to focus more on random 4KB write performance. Whereas even a 10k Raptor will struggle to deliver more than 3 or 4MB/s in random 4K write, my RAID0 SSD array manages over 50MB/s. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of GPL Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:33 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD? Interesting piece here on the Intel SSD: Sequential Access - Read up to 250MB/s Sequential Access - Write up to 70MB/s ? SLOW ?? Kingston SSD V+ series. Newegg has a 64GB for $180 that has nice read AND write speeds. Sequential Access - Read up to 230MB/s Sequential Access - Write up to 180MB/s Have I misinterpreted the data and or the importantance of sequential access write up speed? What do you feel on the Kingston SSD V+ series? On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Julian Zottl jzo...@radiantnetworks.net wrote: If you're looking at Sandforce, take a look at these: http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/internal_storage/Mercury_Extreme_SSD_ Sa ndforce/Solid_State_Pro http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/internal_storage/Mercury_Extreme_SSD _S andforce/Solid_State_Pro http://mushkin.com/Digital-Storage/SSDs/MKNSSDCL120GB.aspx http://mushkin.com/Digital-Storage/SSDs/MKNSSDCL120GB.aspxTake care, Julian On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote: At 07:23 AM 22/05/2010, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: I've been using one now for 5 months. It's great..wouldn't consider changing or going back now. Also, a lot of vendors are putting them in high-end laptops now. the extra cash becomes rather meaningless after you've been living with one for a while. Virus scans are nearly instantaneous. And boot times are fab...and I would go intel all the way...BTW, maximum pc in their latest issue does have a review of several non-intel SSDs. I've done a few machines for clients with SSDs, and if you have the cash it is hands down the way to go. I wish I had the cash to put a big one on my laptop. T
Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?
There is a big difference between a press release announcing availability of the raw NAND IC components and it being designed, validated, and productized into a full SSD with a required new controller. Those likely won't be out until Q3 at the earliest. I can absolutely guarantee you that there is no SSD shipping today that uses 25nm IMFT NAND ICs. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Scoobydo Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:43 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD? Intel-Micron Flash Technologies Ships 25nm NAND Flash: Bigger USB Keys, SSDs Coming Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - by Ray Willington Process technologies continue to shrink at an alarming rate. It wasn't long ago that 65nm seemed tiny, and now Intel is shipping out NAND Flash based around 25nm. In short, shrinking the production size enables manufacturers to squeeze more memory, power, etc. onto an existing form factor. In other words, CPU sockets and DIMM slots won't change sizes very often, so the goal is to simply put more onto the modules we have. IM Flash Technologies, which is a joint venture between Intel and Micron that is targeted for producing NAND flash memory, announced in late January that they were working hard to develop 25 nanometer Flash memory. It was neat, but easy to brush off, since nothing new was actually shipping to consumers. Companies make these wild breakthrough claims all the time, but this one's different. Just a few months after the debut, Intel has now declared that same 25 nanometer memory ready for shipment, meaning that it's ready to make an impact in the market. Larger capacity memory products, here we come. Starting this week, Intel-Micron Flash Technologes are in mass production of the 25 nanometer NAND Flash, and volume shipments have commenced. That makes IMFT the first to sample, and now to ship in production, 25nm NAND using the world's smallest, most advanced manufacturing process technology. The 8GB 25 nanometer memory chip measures just 167mm2 and can hold up to 2,000 songs, 7,000 photos or 8 hours of video, and it should be showing up in USB keys, SD cards, Flash drives in camcorders and even SSDs soon. On Sat, 22 May 2010 09:29:13 -0500, Greg Sevart ad...@xfury.net wrote: There hasn't been another die shrink from IMFT (Intel/Micron Flash Technologies) yet. They dropped prices around 60% last year when moving from 50nm to 34nm, and the move down to 25nm will not occur until later this year. It will also require an updated controller. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Scoobydo Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:01 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD? Anand doesn't expect the price to drop significantly this year. Even with the recent die shrink from Intel/Micron and Samsung they haven't passed along the savings to consumers yet. Next year we can expect the prices to finally start to fall more and within 5 years the mechanical hardrive will be on it's way out. Seagate is coming out with a 3 Gig drive this year.. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?
Oh I agree completely that we end user won't see anything for several months yet. I just wanted to point out that 25nm NAND flash exists right now and is being shipped in volume from IM's FAB in Idaho. 25nm is real now but that's still not small enough. I tend to agree with Anand that 2010 is not the year of the solid state drive. Big time market penetration will be next year or the year after and I can't wait till the price drops through the floor. Only then will the last piece of ancient PC tech begin to die off. Well except for optical drives that is.. On Sat, 22 May 2010 09:53:11 -0500, Greg Sevart ad...@xfury.net wrote: There is a big difference between a press release announcing availability of the raw NAND IC components and it being designed, validated, and productized into a full SSD with a required new controller. Those likely won't be out until Q3 at the earliest. I can absolutely guarantee you that there is no SSD shipping today that uses 25nm IMFT NAND ICs. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Scoobydo Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:43 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD? Intel-Micron Flash Technologies Ships 25nm NAND Flash: Bigger USB Keys, SSDs Coming Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - by Ray Willington Process technologies continue to shrink at an alarming rate. It wasn't long ago that 65nm seemed tiny, and now Intel is shipping out NAND Flash based around 25nm. In short, shrinking the production size enables manufacturers to squeeze more memory, power, etc. onto an existing form factor. In other words, CPU sockets and DIMM slots won't change sizes very often, so the goal is to simply put more onto the modules we have. IM Flash Technologies, which is a joint venture between Intel and Micron that is targeted for producing NAND flash memory, announced in late January that they were working hard to develop 25 nanometer Flash memory. It was neat, but easy to brush off, since nothing new was actually shipping to consumers. Companies make these wild breakthrough claims all the time, but this one's different. Just a few months after the debut, Intel has now declared that same 25 nanometer memory ready for shipment, meaning that it's ready to make an impact in the market. Larger capacity memory products, here we come. Starting this week, Intel-Micron Flash Technologes are in mass production of the 25 nanometer NAND Flash, and volume shipments have commenced. That makes IMFT the first to sample, and now to ship in production, 25nm NAND using the world's smallest, most advanced manufacturing process technology. The 8GB 25 nanometer memory chip measures just 167mm2 and can hold up to 2,000 songs, 7,000 photos or 8 hours of video, and it should be showing up in USB keys, SD cards, Flash drives in camcorders and even SSDs soon. On Sat, 22 May 2010 09:29:13 -0500, Greg Sevart ad...@xfury.net wrote: There hasn't been another die shrink from IMFT (Intel/Micron Flash Technologies) yet. They dropped prices around 60% last year when moving from 50nm to 34nm, and the move down to 25nm will not occur until later this year. It will also require an updated controller. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Scoobydo Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:01 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD? Anand doesn't expect the price to drop significantly this year. Even with the recent die shrink from Intel/Micron and Samsung they haven't passed along the savings to consumers yet. Next year we can expect the prices to finally start to fall more and within 5 years the mechanical hardrive will be on it's way out. Seagate is coming out with a 3 Gig drive this year.. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?
I should have more carefully stated that 25nm NAND (or 20nm class in general) is not available in any SSD yet rather than state that it isn't available in general. However, I was trying to point out that your comment that Even with the recent die shrink from Intel/Micron and Samsung they haven't passed along the savings to consumers yet isn't really fair, since none of the 20nm class NAND is actually shipping in finished SSD products yet. It remains to be seen if the die shrink and resultant cost reduction will be passed along to consumers. I strongly suspect it will be--the market has really grown quite competitive. Agreed that it's likely to be 2011 or 2012 before SSDs really enter the big time for most consumers. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Scoobydo Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:01 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD? Oh I agree completely that we end user won't see anything for several months yet. I just wanted to point out that 25nm NAND flash exists right now and is being shipped in volume from IM's FAB in Idaho. 25nm is real now but that's still not small enough. I tend to agree with Anand that 2010 is not the year of the solid state drive. Big time market penetration will be next year or the year after and I can't wait till the price drops through the floor. Only then will the last piece of ancient PC tech begin to die off. Well except for optical drives that is..
Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?
My comment wasn't fair? I was only agreeing with Anand and we'll see if the cost savings from the latest die shrinks get passed along this year. I suspect they won't.. On Sat, 22 May 2010 10:25:06 -0500, Greg Sevart ad...@xfury.net wrote: I should have more carefully stated that 25nm NAND (or 20nm class in general) is not available in any SSD yet rather than state that it isn't available in general. However, I was trying to point out that your comment that Even with the recent die shrink from Intel/Micron and Samsung they haven't passed along the savings to consumers yet isn't really fair, since none of the 20nm class NAND is actually shipping in finished SSD products yet. It remains to be seen if the die shrink and resultant cost reduction will be passed along to consumers. I strongly suspect it will be--the market has really grown quite competitive. Agreed that it's likely to be 2011 or 2012 before SSDs really enter the big time for most consumers. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Scoobydo Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:01 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD? Oh I agree completely that we end user won't see anything for several months yet. I just wanted to point out that 25nm NAND flash exists right now and is being shipped in volume from IM's FAB in Idaho. 25nm is real now but that's still not small enough. I tend to agree with Anand that 2010 is not the year of the solid state drive. Big time market penetration will be next year or the year after and I can't wait till the price drops through the floor. Only then will the last piece of ancient PC tech begin to die off. Well except for optical drives that is.. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
[H] Win7 on a 2007 Thinkpadgood idea or nuts?
Last year I picked up a circa 2007 Thinkpad X41 Tablet on Ebay for under 300 bucks. I wanted something easy to carry around with long battery life but with a useable screen size and I really like my X41. I have Windows 7 tablet available to me and I am thinking of installing it on my X41 tablet... apparently others have done this and it works. It meets low end Win7 requirements, I have run windows 7 advisor and all is OK. The relevent specs are Intel Pentium M Low Voltage 758 1.5GHz 2GB of RAM 60 GB proprietary hard drive... can't be upgraded this part sucks. Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 video chipset 128 MB right now it is running Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005 I don't use this much for anything then internet, word, excel, acrobat, play back a video, or audio. I understand Win 7 has a better tablet experience. Of course, I would turn off all the eye candy. Anybody have any experience with Win 7 on low end machines. Am I going to regret this if I go to the trouble of installing Win 7? w
Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD?
I disagree with Anand, then. When Intel introduced the Gen2 SSDs based on 34nm NAND, they did so immediately at a price point substantially under their existing 50nm products. With the very first unit, prices dropped. The other manufacturers then had to follow suit, as they were even cheaper than competing Indilinx-based units. When the 25nm-based products drop in the ~late Q3 timeframe, I expect Intel to do it again. 20-nm class NAND from Samsung and Toshiba should allow other manufacturers to reduce prices to match. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Scoobydo Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 12:45 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Greg what do you think of this SSD? My comment wasn't fair? I was only agreeing with Anand and we'll see if the cost savings from the latest die shrinks get passed along this year. I suspect they won't..
Re: [H] Win7 on a 2007 Thinkpadgood idea or nuts?
I got Win7 installed on a older laptop ...it doesn't even support the ATI Mobile Radeon in there...but it runs in VGA mode at 1024 x 768. I also have regular Win7 installed on my Dell Latitude XT, a tablet. It works just fine...and it's not the tablet version. I say go for it. Win7 runs on anything, even if you don't have all the drivers. :) If you do, there is virtually no risk. On 5/22/2010 1:55 PM, Winterlight wrote: Last year I picked up a circa 2007 Thinkpad X41 Tablet on Ebay for under 300 bucks. I wanted something easy to carry around with long battery life but with a useable screen size and I really like my X41. I have Windows 7 tablet available to me and I am thinking of installing it on my X41 tablet... apparently others have done this and it works. It meets low end Win7 requirements, I have run windows 7 advisor and all is OK. The relevent specs are Intel Pentium M Low Voltage 758 1.5GHz 2GB of RAM 60 GB proprietary hard drive... can't be upgraded this part sucks. Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 video chipset 128 MB right now it is running Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005 I don't use this much for anything then internet, word, excel, acrobat, play back a video, or audio. I understand Win 7 has a better tablet experience. Of course, I would turn off all the eye candy. Anybody have any experience with Win 7 on low end machines. Am I going to regret this if I go to the trouble of installing Win 7? w No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2889 - Release Date: 05/22/10 02:26:00
Re: [H] Odd CPU issue
On Friday 21 May 2010 22:59:23 Scoobydo wrote: If you've had experience of several bad CPU's then you must be a system builder with hundreds of builds under your belt. I'm just a hobbyist and have only built 20 or so boxes over the years and I've never even heard of anyone having a CPU go bad until you said it. Bad mobo's, PSU's, hardrives, floppies, optical drives, video cards, RAM, fans etc. I've seen it all with the single exception of the processor. CPU's are by far the most reliable component of any PC, period. Intel and AMD deserve great respect for that major accomplishment. Of course static electricity can kill one pretty easily but that's not going bad, that's user error. Somewhere in this area in a land fill is my original IBM PS/2 486 SX-25 and I'd bet anything that if it were buried functional with no bent or broken pins it would still run if socketed in a working box. I really believe that.. With 40+ years as a hardware engineer you see all kinds of strange things. The first bad cpu I ever saw was dropped on the floor and the chappie that dropped it straightened the pins and put in into service (circa 8088/86 Linotype character and font generator 8 floppy drives, two of them). The characters produced had weird distortions. It took days to find that one and two minutes to fix it. The original technician admitted what he had done when it was proved to be the cpu. The other suggestion I would make is to check the BIOS beep codes to see what the beep code means. I note that no one has commented on using the beep codes as a pointer to a possible MB/CPU fault. -- Best Regards: Derrick. Running Open SuSE 11.1 KDE 3.5.10 Desktop. Pontefract Linux Users Group. plug @ play-net.co.uk
Re: [H] Odd CPU issue
On Saturday 22 May 2010 03:24:27 DSinc wrote: Scoobydo, If I dig in by bone pile I could offer you a brand new old stock and only use once, spare for your current P2-333. I bought mine because it had some special S-Spec #. If interested, I can share critical numbers. I've just binned around 400+ SIL CPU for scrap metal. -- Best Regards: Derrick. Running Open SuSE 11.1 KDE 3.5.10 Desktop. Pontefract Linux Users Group. plug @ play-net.co.uk
[H] Diagnosing a video issue?
Got this older machine we use at the house thats a P4 3.2 with a 9800XT ati card. Been running windows 7 on it. Last two weeks it's been OK with its use. Today it seems the desktop is very slow, goes dark screen, waits to come back online with the working hour glass type circle spinning, seems to just really hang up but nothing really comes of it to go back into use. Clicking icons is delayed, that sort of thing. If I load up in safe mode, safe mode w/ networking, or load up normally by removing the 9800XT from the device manager and restarting the PC it seems to run normally. Other than the resolution being less than what the native mode of the monitor is it seems to work OK. Tried reinstalling the ATI driver but it still hangs. Seems to only operate now with no driver, or default windows settings. Couple of times I see a message pop up that says The display driver has stopped responding but has recovered type of thing. Can the card finally be going bad, not being able to handle the full driver? It sort of blinks black screen to desktop every once in a while as I type this looking over at it.
