Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295?
Sure looks like only thing keeping the NV's at the top is biased game engines. Performance not real strong for new part vs. 6mo/o competition should motivate ATI to keep the war going. ;) Bobby Heid wrote: I'd love one of those. But I'm not going to spend $500 to get one. LOL. Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:37 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Some benchmarks on the 295: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3498
Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295?
Some benchmarks on the 295: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3498 --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Bobby Heid bh...@sc.rr.com wrote: Sorry that I took your earlier email wrong. Thanks, Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:21 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Time out! My bad for being so quick with a OPINION expressed in bad prose, sorry! You're not being lambasted nor am I insisting you need to do ATI was implying in a 2 horse race you were really limiting your options based what sounds like arbitrary reasons about old issues that may/may not have bearing on today. If I was to go on past experiences I'd never buy a Intel, AMD, a Sleazgate HDD or HP anything! ;) The response was supposed to be laced with *sarcasm* in response to your being so (seemingly) staunchly tied to a brand rather than good choices despite brand. I am not saying ATI is best of 2 nor was I trashing NV video cards. Trashing drivers BS corporate policies yes, hardware no. Note I was looking at NV last year, so I am not saying they're shit by any means, though in fairness both companies have a lot of work to do IMHO. As you say, building with X58 so SLI issue is moot yet there's still a bit chill in the air from NV's dissing pre-X58 users. Were I do X58 I'd be sizing up BOTH the NV 2x0 series at this point vs. ATI HD48x0 X2 series. Good luck on the build! Bobby Heid wrote: I was not being flip. I just had no desire to go with ATI (after many issues with ATI many years ago). So ATI was not a valid choice as I had already chosen Nvidia. Instead of having people waste their time going through the trouble of writing a reply that was in favor of ATI, when I wasn't interested in ATI, I was trying to steer the thread where I wanted to go. And that was with Nvidia. I have weighed all of the options many times and still decide to choose Nvidia. What bothers me though is that my email was just a request for opinions about what I asked for. I did not expect to be lambasted for not choosing ATI. I did not trash ATI or say that Nvidia was the ultimate brand over all brands. If I had asked for opinions about the different Ford Mustang models I would not expect to hear about Chevrolet or Toyota. BTW, I am building an X58 system. So the SLI issue is moot here. Bobby
Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295?
I'd love one of those. But I'm not going to spend $500 to get one. LOL. Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:37 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Some benchmarks on the 295: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3498 --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Bobby Heid bh...@sc.rr.com wrote: Sorry that I took your earlier email wrong. Thanks, Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:21 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Time out! My bad for being so quick with a OPINION expressed in bad prose, sorry! You're not being lambasted nor am I insisting you need to do ATI was implying in a 2 horse race you were really limiting your options based what sounds like arbitrary reasons about old issues that may/may not have bearing on today. If I was to go on past experiences I'd never buy a Intel, AMD, a Sleazgate HDD or HP anything! ;) The response was supposed to be laced with *sarcasm* in response to your being so (seemingly) staunchly tied to a brand rather than good choices despite brand. I am not saying ATI is best of 2 nor was I trashing NV video cards. Trashing drivers BS corporate policies yes, hardware no. Note I was looking at NV last year, so I am not saying they're shit by any means, though in fairness both companies have a lot of work to do IMHO. As you say, building with X58 so SLI issue is moot yet there's still a bit chill in the air from NV's dissing pre-X58 users. Were I do X58 I'd be sizing up BOTH the NV 2x0 series at this point vs. ATI HD48x0 X2 series. Good luck on the build! Bobby Heid wrote: I was not being flip. I just had no desire to go with ATI (after many issues with ATI many years ago). So ATI was not a valid choice as I had already chosen Nvidia. Instead of having people waste their time going through the trouble of writing a reply that was in favor of ATI, when I wasn't interested in ATI, I was trying to steer the thread where I wanted to go. And that was with Nvidia. I have weighed all of the options many times and still decide to choose Nvidia. What bothers me though is that my email was just a request for opinions about what I asked for. I did not expect to be lambasted for not choosing ATI. I did not trash ATI or say that Nvidia was the ultimate brand over all brands. If I had asked for opinions about the different Ford Mustang models I would not expect to hear about Chevrolet or Toyota. BTW, I am building an X58 system. So the SLI issue is moot here. Bobby
Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295?
I was not being flip. I just had no desire to go with ATI (after many issues with ATI many years ago). So ATI was not a valid choice as I had already chosen Nvidia. Instead of having people waste their time going through the trouble of writing a reply that was in favor of ATI, when I wasn't interested in ATI, I was trying to steer the thread where I wanted to go. And that was with Nvidia. I have weighed all of the options many times and still decide to choose Nvidia. What bothers me though is that my email was just a request for opinions about what I asked for. I did not expect to be lambasted for not choosing ATI. I did not trash ATI or say that Nvidia was the ultimate brand over all brands. If I had asked for opinions about the different Ford Mustang models I would not expect to hear about Chevrolet or Toyota. BTW, I am building an X58 system. So the SLI issue is moot here. Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:01 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Well when you close off a valid choice so flippantly, someone will speak up! Unless you're on X58, Nvidia artificially prevents SLI for anything but their chipsets. Say what you want today about not EVER doing SLI/CF, but it may be a consideration later and I did not want to lock myself out nor did I want NV's mobo chipset at all. Was looking for months at those killer 8800's that were supposed to be dirt cheap almost as fast as the the high-end card only to stumble on drivers prevent SLI on non-NV chipsets due to NV's money grubbing for licensing fees for something that would have just worked if they didn't actively prevent it. Will be a long time before I choose to give them any $$$ for new product, no matter what issue I hit with ATI. Bobby Heid wrote: LOL. I was waiting on one of these. Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:48 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Your loss, the ATI thing that is... Bobby Heid wrote: Hey, I am in the process of building a new machine. I have decided on a limit of about $300 to spend on the video card. I am an NVidia guy so I have no plans on an ATI card. Guru3d.com has a review of the ye
Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295?
Time out! My bad for being so quick with a OPINION expressed in bad prose, sorry! You're not being lambasted nor am I insisting you need to do ATI was implying in a 2 horse race you were really limiting your options based what sounds like arbitrary reasons about old issues that may/may not have bearing on today. If I was to go on past experiences I'd never buy a Intel, AMD, a Sleazgate HDD or HP anything! ;) The response was supposed to be laced with *sarcasm* in response to your being so (seemingly) staunchly tied to a brand rather than good choices despite brand. I am not saying ATI is best of 2 nor was I trashing NV video cards. Trashing drivers BS corporate policies yes, hardware no. Note I was looking at NV last year, so I am not saying they're shit by any means, though in fairness both companies have a lot of work to do IMHO. As you say, building with X58 so SLI issue is moot yet there's still a bit chill in the air from NV's dissing pre-X58 users. Were I do X58 I'd be sizing up BOTH the NV 2x0 series at this point vs. ATI HD48x0 X2 series. Good luck on the build! Bobby Heid wrote: I was not being flip. I just had no desire to go with ATI (after many issues with ATI many years ago). So ATI was not a valid choice as I had already chosen Nvidia. Instead of having people waste their time going through the trouble of writing a reply that was in favor of ATI, when I wasn't interested in ATI, I was trying to steer the thread where I wanted to go. And that was with Nvidia. I have weighed all of the options many times and still decide to choose Nvidia. What bothers me though is that my email was just a request for opinions about what I asked for. I did not expect to be lambasted for not choosing ATI. I did not trash ATI or say that Nvidia was the ultimate brand over all brands. If I had asked for opinions about the different Ford Mustang models I would not expect to hear about Chevrolet or Toyota. BTW, I am building an X58 system. So the SLI issue is moot here. Bobby
Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295?
Sorry that I took your earlier email wrong. Thanks, Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:21 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Time out! My bad for being so quick with a OPINION expressed in bad prose, sorry! You're not being lambasted nor am I insisting you need to do ATI was implying in a 2 horse race you were really limiting your options based what sounds like arbitrary reasons about old issues that may/may not have bearing on today. If I was to go on past experiences I'd never buy a Intel, AMD, a Sleazgate HDD or HP anything! ;) The response was supposed to be laced with *sarcasm* in response to your being so (seemingly) staunchly tied to a brand rather than good choices despite brand. I am not saying ATI is best of 2 nor was I trashing NV video cards. Trashing drivers BS corporate policies yes, hardware no. Note I was looking at NV last year, so I am not saying they're shit by any means, though in fairness both companies have a lot of work to do IMHO. As you say, building with X58 so SLI issue is moot yet there's still a bit chill in the air from NV's dissing pre-X58 users. Were I do X58 I'd be sizing up BOTH the NV 2x0 series at this point vs. ATI HD48x0 X2 series. Good luck on the build! Bobby Heid wrote: I was not being flip. I just had no desire to go with ATI (after many issues with ATI many years ago). So ATI was not a valid choice as I had already chosen Nvidia. Instead of having people waste their time going through the trouble of writing a reply that was in favor of ATI, when I wasn't interested in ATI, I was trying to steer the thread where I wanted to go. And that was with Nvidia. I have weighed all of the options many times and still decide to choose Nvidia. What bothers me though is that my email was just a request for opinions about what I asked for. I did not expect to be lambasted for not choosing ATI. I did not trash ATI or say that Nvidia was the ultimate brand over all brands. If I had asked for opinions about the different Ford Mustang models I would not expect to hear about Chevrolet or Toyota. BTW, I am building an X58 system. So the SLI issue is moot here. Bobby
Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295?
Your loss, the ATI thing that is... Bobby Heid wrote: Hey, I am in the process of building a new machine. I have decided on a limit of about $300 to spend on the video card. I am an NVidia guy so I have no plans on an ATI card. Guru3d.com has a review of the ye
Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295?
LOL. I was waiting on one of these. Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:48 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Your loss, the ATI thing that is... Bobby Heid wrote: Hey, I am in the process of building a new machine. I have decided on a limit of about $300 to spend on the video card. I am an NVidia guy so I have no plans on an ATI card. Guru3d.com has a review of the ye
Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295?
Well when you close off a valid choice so flippantly, someone will speak up! Unless you're on X58, Nvidia artificially prevents SLI for anything but their chipsets. Say what you want today about not EVER doing SLI/CF, but it may be a consideration later and I did not want to lock myself out nor did I want NV's mobo chipset at all. Was looking for months at those killer 8800's that were supposed to be dirt cheap almost as fast as the the high-end card only to stumble on drivers prevent SLI on non-NV chipsets due to NV's money grubbing for licensing fees for something that would have just worked if they didn't actively prevent it. Will be a long time before I choose to give them any $$$ for new product, no matter what issue I hit with ATI. Bobby Heid wrote: LOL. I was waiting on one of these. Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:48 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Your loss, the ATI thing that is... Bobby Heid wrote: Hey, I am in the process of building a new machine. I have decided on a limit of about $300 to spend on the video card. I am an NVidia guy so I have no plans on an ATI card. Guru3d.com has a review of the ye
[H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295?
Hey, I am in the process of building a new machine. I have decided on a limit of about $300 to spend on the video card. I am an NVidia guy so I have no plans on an ATI card. Guru3d.com has a review of the yet-to-be released Nvidia GTX 295 here (retail - $500): http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-295-preview/ Newegg.com has an EVGA GTX 280 for $425 - $100 IR - $20 MIR = $305 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130365 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130365CMP=AFC-C8J unction CMP=AFC-C8Junction My questions for you all are: 1) Do you think the GTX 280s will come down in price more than this once the 295s come out? 2) Aren't the 280s supposed to use the smaller die size (55nm I think) like the 295s will use? 3) Anyone know any reasons why I should wait a bit longer to get a VC? Thanks, Bobby
Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295?
Wait Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bobby Heid bh...@sc.rr.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:23:12 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Hey, I am in the process of building a new machine. I have decided on a limit of about $300 to spend on the video card. I am an NVidia guy so I have no plans on an ATI card. Guru3d.com has a review of the yet-to-be released Nvidia GTX 295 here (retail - $500): http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-295-preview/ Newegg.com has an EVGA GTX 280 for $425 - $100 IR - $20 MIR = $305 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130365 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130365CMP=AFC-C8J unction CMP=AFC-C8Junction My questions for you all are: 1) Do you think the GTX 280s will come down in price more than this once the 295s come out? 2) Aren't the 280s supposed to use the smaller die size (55nm I think) like the 295s will use? 3) Anyone know any reasons why I should wait a bit longer to get a VC? Thanks, Bobby
Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295?
I'm a huge believer in buying the previous generation of video cards when the new ones come out. As long as you aren't one of those fanatics who are driven to have the absolutely highest resolution and frame rate you should be fine with any of the current crop. I recently went from a X1950 to a 4850 and I'm happy as a clam. -- Brian On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Bobby Heid bh...@sc.rr.com wrote: Hey, I am in the process of building a new machine. I have decided on a limit of about $300 to spend on the video card. I am an NVidia guy so I have no plans on an ATI card. Guru3d.com has a review of the yet-to-be released Nvidia GTX 295 here (retail - $500): http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-295-preview/ Newegg.com has an EVGA GTX 280 for $425 - $100 IR - $20 MIR = $305 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130365 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130365CMP=AFC-C8J unction CMP=AFC-C8Junction My questions for you all are: 1) Do you think the GTX 280s will come down in price more than this once the 295s come out? 2) Aren't the 280s supposed to use the smaller die size (55nm I think) like the 295s will use? 3) Anyone know any reasons why I should wait a bit longer to get a VC? Thanks, Bobby
Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295?
Can you tell me why I should wait? Thanks, Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of tmse...@rlrnews.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:28 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Wait Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bobby Heid bh...@sc.rr.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:23:12 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Hey, I am in the process of building a new machine. I have decided on a limit of about $300 to spend on the video card. I am an NVidia guy so I have no plans on an ATI card. Guru3d.com has a review of the yet-to-be released Nvidia GTX 295 here (retail - $500): http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-295-preview/ Newegg.com has an EVGA GTX 280 for $425 - $100 IR - $20 MIR = $305 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130365 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130365CMP=AFC-C8J unction CMP=AFC-C8Junction My questions for you all are: 1) Do you think the GTX 280s will come down in price more than this once the 295s come out? 2) Aren't the 280s supposed to use the smaller die size (55nm I think) like the 295s will use? 3) Anyone know any reasons why I should wait a bit longer to get a VC? Thanks, Bobby
Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295?
Ok, I'll wait :-( Thanks, Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Seitz Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:43 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Die shrink to 55nm is a huge win... I'd wait as well and I currently have a GTX280 :) On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:17:03PM -0500, Bobby Heid wrote: Can you tell me why I should wait? Thanks, Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of tmse...@rlrnews.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:28 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Wait Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bobby Heid bh...@sc.rr.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:23:12 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Hey, I am in the process of building a new machine. I have decided on a limit of about $300 to spend on the video card. I am an NVidia guy so I have no plans on an ATI card. Guru3d.com has a review of the yet-to-be released Nvidia GTX 295 here (retail - $500): http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-295-preview/ Newegg.com has an EVGA GTX 280 for $425 - $100 IR - $20 MIR = $305 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130365 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130365CMP=AFC-C8J unction CMP=AFC-C8Junction My questions for you all are: 1) Do you think the GTX 280s will come down in price more than this once the 295s come out? 2) Aren't the 280s supposed to use the smaller die size (55nm I think) like the 295s will use? 3) Anyone know any reasons why I should wait a bit longer to get a VC? Thanks, Bobby -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295?
But, I just thought of something. Once they shrink the dies, will the price go up for the new ones? Remember, I don't really want to spend over $300. Thanks, Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:27 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Ok, I'll wait :-( Thanks, Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Seitz Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:43 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Die shrink to 55nm is a huge win... I'd wait as well and I currently have a GTX280 :) On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:17:03PM -0500, Bobby Heid wrote: Can you tell me why I should wait? Thanks, Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of tmse...@rlrnews.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:28 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Wait Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bobby Heid bh...@sc.rr.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:23:12 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? Hey, I am in the process of building a new machine. I have decided on a limit of about $300 to spend on the video card. I am an NVidia guy so I have no plans on an ATI card. Guru3d.com has a review of the yet-to-be released Nvidia GTX 295 here (retail - $500): http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-295-preview/ Newegg.com has an EVGA GTX 280 for $425 - $100 IR - $20 MIR = $305 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130365 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130365CMP=AFC-C8J unction CMP=AFC-C8Junction My questions for you all are: 1) Do you think the GTX 280s will come down in price more than this once the 295s come out? 2) Aren't the 280s supposed to use the smaller die size (55nm I think) like the 295s will use? 3) Anyone know any reasons why I should wait a bit longer to get a VC? Thanks, Bobby -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295?
Technically, a smaller GPU usually means a cheaper chip. That doesn't always translate to street prices, of course. However, given the pressure AMD's excellent 4800-series chips are putting on nvidia, they may see fit to drop prices as their costs decrease. Do you really mean the dual-GPU SLI GTX 295, or the single-GPU GTX 285 that will be based on chips with the same 55nm process? If the former, you can forget about $300. If the latter...it's possible. Look at the 8800GTS based on G80 vs the 8800GTS based on G92. Faster card, but was less expensive as the G92 die cost less to manufacture. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:35 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] GTX 280 or wait for GTX 295? But, I just thought of something. Once they shrink the dies, will the price go up for the new ones? Remember, I don't really want to spend over $300. Thanks, Bobby
